Ryder Lee: Remote Viewing & Stargate Project…Psychic Warfare is Real!

0:00Dave Roberts here. There you are surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later. At 2 a.m., you wake up with the fever and your throats on fire. Now what? Urgent care? Close. ER? Slam. Telehealth? Maybe. But the pharmacy's close. You need it a medical emergency kit. These aren't first aid kits. They contain essential prescriptions, use for over 30 common conditions, sinus and ear infection, UTIs, stomach bug, travelers diarrhea and more. On hand before you need them. Use your doctor-developed guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by. It's like an urgent care and drugstore at home. When you're sick, traveling or stranded, you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit. Order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say $45 with my promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. That's promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue.

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2:03and that's only available for those who purchase the upgrade. If you use the code Empire, you get 20% off the purchase and the lifetime replays and all that jazz and that's one great way to support Geopolitics and Empire as well. All right, joining us for the first time is film director writer Lee will be discussing his latest film. You can find over at Amazon Prime or purchase direct in DVD form from writer. The links will be in the description. The film's called psychic agent, the gait program. I just finished watching it last night very much enjoyed it. He also runs the raised by Giants YouTube channel and podcast welcome writer. Thanks so much for having me on brother really appreciated and I'm very much looking forward to diving into this topic and answering any questions that you have about the movie. What did you? What was your first reactions to it? I thought it was done very professionally, very serious and this is not a theme I've explored enough on the podcast and so it's kind of great to get into it. You'd be I think one of the first

3:08to sort of give us a crash course 101. Yeah, there was a lot of material there and I've got some of them in my talking points particularly towards the end was interesting learning about how deep the government and their myriad of intelligence agencies are embedded in American daily life and society. So there were there were eye opening things. So I probably purchased the Amazon version. I think it was like 10 bucks. Happy to support work such as yours and shout out again to William Ramsey who I was just in LA hanging out with him had a beer with William and he he picked us up. I'm new to your work and perhaps for people who are not aware of your work anything you want to tell us before getting into the film because you've got a YouTube channel you know you got a YouTube channel podcast raised by Giants. Yes, I've been doing this since 2020 I've had my YouTube channel since 2020 and and been doing a podcast you can find me on social media on Facebook Instagram X any of those places and this is my third film that is out on Amazon Prime

4:18the first one was called JFK X solving the crime of the century the second one was called a clockwork shining cubrix Odyssey 3 and that's was like a look at you know Stanley Kubrick and what he was actually trying to tell us within the shining there's so many different theories of what was going on in the shining and my third one which is out now on Amazon Prime is psychic agent the gate program so yeah that's a little bit about me but if people would like to support me or go over to my channel and check out my work you can find me a raise by Giants on YouTube and any and all podcast platforms. And speaking of Kubrick his daughter Vivian follows me on X and gives me the occasional retweet so shout out to Vivian Kubrick if she's viewing or listening this particular episode I'm just curious what does it take putting this documentary together I listen

5:20to your chat with William it seems like a lot of work in terms of the financial cost and the time I'm just curious and any insight you can give us. Well with any movie I mean you see how much work it is just to put in to do one of these shows you know what I mean like we spend a lot of time just and people think that this stuff is just easy you know what I mean that we're just sitting here just you know doing a simple easy podcast where you're just over their answering questions well you probably put a day's work of time in the amount of time that it took to even watch the movie was about two hours that's about how long the movie was and to listen to our show my show with William Ramsey to prepare you know what I mean this stuff takes a lot of time and effort and energy and people don't really realize that they think that we're just sitting back here and we're just going through the motions and it's super easy it's not it's very difficult it's very time consuming and it takes a lot of work to even put on a show like this to do this so you ramp that

6:22up by like a hundred times and then you'll have what it's like to make a movie and making a documentary is very time consuming it takes a lot of patience and a lot of work just to gather all of the information that was some of the hardest part is just going through all of the research and finding all of the documents because it's a very document heavy movie I show a lot of documents that has to do with the DIA Army Intelligence remote viewing psychics by unit that had been in operation since 1978 and then was closed down in 1995 by the CIA so it's it was a very long strenuous process but I've been working on this for a really long time collecting information getting documents reaching out to the people that getting B-roll for the movie because that's another problem that I believe that a lot of filmmakers

7:24in this space has is you never have enough B-roll you always need things to put into the movie and you seem to run out of those B-roll things really quickly so it was you know it took a lot of time and energy and effort and then not only that traveling because I went to everybody I went everyone in person everyone besides Angela Ford which is in the movie she's a confirmed remote viewer for the DIA Army Intelligence everybody else I went to I traveled to to interview them and talk to them in person so you know between all the traveling it took around two weeks just to get to everybody to interview and talk with them and that's another important aspect of it is that you know when you're making a movie a lot of times not everything makes it into the movie you know it's there's a lot of things that gets left on the cutting room floor I mean each of those interviews were roughly around two hours a piece you know and then they were all chopped

8:27down to around you know 10 to 15 minutes per individual so there's a lot of things that are left on the cutting room floor and it's a big decision that you have to make as a filmmaker is what to leave in and what to take out and it's a very very important process but it's something that I really love to do I like I love puzzles I love mind bending things that you know take time to figure it out like you know that it's like putting a giant puzzle piece together and then you know invoking that emotion out of the audience and putting in the right music and putting in the right sound effects and making the transition to where it gives you the those chills and that goose bump you know what I mean like when you when you really nailed something you can feel those shivers and those goose bumps on your armor on your like some people feel that that's intuition or something telling them that they're on the right path but a lot of times I

9:30get that when I'm watching something or I'm making something and I'll get those chills and I'll know that I'm on the right path so yeah that's a little bit of a behind the scenes on filmmaking yeah and it's kind of a bit of that is the feeling I have doing the podcast or writing articles for Geo Paul Dex Nampar which I don't do enough but the last one that I did write got a lot of play even having being reposted by David I can't be such as that but and you're right I mean the work it takes like I you're my second podcast today I interviewed actually this morning Cory Roe who did loose change documentary way back in the day with Dylan Avery and Jason Brimus and I I was reading his book this week and so I read like the first half earlier in the week of his book and then I took a pause to watch your film last night and then when I finished watching your film I fin I was up till three in the morning finishing reading Cory's book and then you know I think also

10:32yesterday or the day before I watched your interview with William Ramsey and then I go I you know this is what it takes I you're my guest I find your channels I go to your link tree I find your Facebook which has got a lot of I think a hundred thousand followers there I follow you on Facebook I follow your channel on YouTube and X to get a picture of who you are and the work that you do and create talking points and and this is sort of stuff that we do and I'm just curious is there beyond your film on remote viewing are there many other documentaries that have been put out on the subject I can't really think of too many no there hasn't I think that most the other most comprehensive one was third-eye spies but other than that there's never been a detailed look at the history of the story of a remote viewing unit you know but it's a really big it's a really just by watching the movie

11:33you realize that it's a very convoluted program and there's a lot of dates and name changes of the unit and it's being transferred to DIA back to army intelligence back to DIA and there's all these things these different moving pieces and it really felt like that nobody really had an accurate timeline of the unit itself you know because if you were to go and ask even the people that were directly involved that were verified in the DIA army intelligence unit they have a different version of events than other people though no one really has a comprehensive timeline of events of when the research started when all this stuff happened so it was really important for me to sit down and create that timeline and make that timeline and that timeline is verified through DIA army intelligence declassified and unclassified documents from the CIA so I can't really

12:38dispute it it's it's written down it's in there it's in the documents it's in the and people can have a problem with it like some of the people can be like oh well it didn't happen that day did happen that other day well you know I'm going off according to the official documentation here so I mean people can have different opinions on when certain things happen and when they didn't happen but it doesn't matter because it's all according to the documents and I made sure that everything that I said in that first hour of the movie was all verified and correct I double triple quadruple checked everything and you see it on in the movie of exactly what I'm talking about so that's awesome that you had the director of loose change on I've had Jason Burmese on my show a couple of times and I was just on his show talking about this movie so that's really great loose change incredible documentary kind of that in zeitgeist really opened my eyes to that's what started

13:42this entire thing for me in 2007 yeah it's a small world I mean from 2022 to 2024 I was I had my own show on tnt radio which was based out of Australia and after two years I decided to call it quits on the eyes of march one was it now wow time is flying two years ago and I needed a replacement and I wish South of Jason he replaced me for six months more before tnt radio died and I you know the theme that you cover it makes me think I came across this band just a few years ago called clutch you might be familiar with them and they have a fantastic song and music video called x-ray visions from the album psychic warfare 2015 it's hilarious but before looking at some of the parts of the film what would you say is the big picture thesis as I understand it governments we can say you primarily deal with the american government we also mentioned the russians the Soviet Union that they have been you know since world war two working

14:47creating all these secret multiple as you mentioned multiple agencies multiple programs very compartmentalized mind control experiments psychic warfare remote viewing what's sort of the big picture here and and thesis well the big picture is is that the government really did have a psychic spy unit called the stargate remote viewing unit and went through several different name changes and that lasted up until 1995 and it was shut down and my contention and limb you canons contention delgraf and angel afforded within the movie you know our contention is is was there another program and was this other program way more nefarious than just spying on foreign countries and collecting intelligence data that this program turn into something that is way more invasive upon

15:52humans you know like remote influencing is it possible to psychically influence someone and control their thoughts and their ideas that they would otherwise not have and this is a really important aspect because I do believe that this can be done I show a document in the movie from doctor Ed May Dave Roberts here there you are surrounded by fans sharing wings sharing drinks high five in random strangers everybody remembers the game nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later at 2 a.m. you wake up with the fever and your throats on fire now what urgent care close ER slam telehealth maybe but the pharmacies close you needed a medical emergency these aren't first aid kits they contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions sinus and ear infection UTIs stomach bug travelers diarrhea and more on hand before

16:54you need them use your doctor develop guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by it's like an urgent care and drugstore at home when you're sick traveling or stranded you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say 45 dollars with my promo code blue at urgent care kit.com slash blue that's promo code blue at urgent care kit.com slash blue I briefly show it because I didn't want people getting it's a really rare document and not a lot of people have access to it or even know about it but it's steps on how to remote influence somebody and he lays out how it's done from you know a remote viewer and how to you know essentially make someone do something that they otherwise would not do or have thoughts that they otherwise wouldn't do and we kind of see that on a math scale you know during 2020 that kind of happened where everybody seemed to all

17:58be on the same page about everything you know we kind of see this mass formation psychosis take place and I'm not saying that that's you know has anything to do with a specific remote viewer or remote viewer was doing this it's just an example of how it possibly could work but Limby Cannon was asked if he could you know assassinate a summer bin Laden with his mind and he says in the movie yeah he could if he wanted to but he didn't but he could and then he was also asked if he could get Gorbachev to drop communism okay so it's very possible to do it just takes a really long time and you know my my kind of thought with it was well if they could just kill people with their mind that doesn't seem like it's yeah you would be able to get rid of that person but would you you know

19:04what kind of political upheavals that really going to do you know like what how big of a deal is it going to be if someone just dies of a heart attack and a cave right how big of a deal would it have been if someone been Lund just reportedly died of a heart attack and a cave it's not going to be that big of a deal you know we're not going to be able to be like America who raw you know getting everybody up in arms and excited that we just took out a summer bin Laden right like how it was when Obama got to you know celebrate and take credit for seal team 6 going in and take out a summer bin Laden so in my mind the the way to do it would be to influence somebody else to commit the act to commit the crime to commit the assassination to take out that other person because it does a multitude of things that way it not only gets the public to blame specific individual or a specific group

20:10of people but it also works out for the the political agenda whatever side that you want to you know come out on the bottom or on the top of that entire equation and you can also just getting to someone's head get him the screw numbers up on a computer get him the crash and airplane get him the derail a train and you know this it's very difficult just to have someone just automatically do this right this takes time and you got to work on them for a really long time I mean Lynn I believe off camera camera said that he was working on Gorbachev for like months to get him to try and drop communism right and he eventually did but the the thing about remote influencing is is that you can't really prove it and that's why it's the ultimate intelligence weapon you can't prove it you know you can say that it happened oh yeah I killed that

21:11person with my mind or or I made them do this or I put that thought into his head I put that thought into that foreign leader's head and then he ended up doing it right anybody can say that I can say that and I'm not even a remote viewer or a psychic right I can say the all I made you know Xi Jinping do whatever or you know the president of North Korea fire that missile into the thing you know whenever I really didn't and I had no idea that that was even going on right but that's the that's the the premise and that's what makes it such a good intelligence technique because you can essentially do whatever you want and there's no evidence that you ever did it you mentioned a Gorby I hung out with him in 2017 and Moscow group of 30 of us Americans went out on a citizen diplomacy mission and spent two hours with Gorbachev at his foundation and Moscow discussing the new Cold War in fact I graduated from the Geneva's Cold

22:12Diplomacy 2009 he was supposed to attend as he out to receive the honorary doctorate at our graduation ceremony but he was too old to make it and it was the right hand man his interpreter whose name I forget now was it Boris or Pavel was there but you know when you ask most Russians they think Gorbachev was a Russian agent a Western agent who brought about the downfall of the Soviet Union it's it's it's fun funny some of these pentagon narratives amongst the Neocon crowd who considered Gorbachev to be you know some Russian boogie man I mean what what he did favor west the west so it wouldn't be a surprise that the Russians believe he was a traitor I this sort of leads into one of my questions that I had the mechanism of remote viewing and some of this other activity you know not now I don't deny I don't doubt the possibility the phenomenon

23:13can be real and I think there are multiple prongs to what's going on here as was detailed in your in your film you know I and you mentioned the mass formation of the 2020 so you know we we DARPA MK ultra you know CIA MK ultra and then I learned another thing I learned from the film but there was they shut down the CIA MK ultra but there was the Navy MK ultra I believe right and so no one's looking at that so I think there's a there could be a and you can elaborate a technological aspect to this remote viewing plus mind control another psychic warfare where it can they have they can have technologies that they've developed that there's also the I don't know what you call it psychokinetic aspect where you detail as well the gate program where children they find children when they're young who have very who are very intelligent and they possibly can cultivate but then also what struck me was some of the people in your film they use a lot of words you know

24:17I come at this from a Christian angle as well they talk about channeling automatic writing Stargate or portal also Autobot experiences which sounds like astral projection which I do believe this is real this stuff you know I've had a friend who who's done astral projection old friend and so I just wonder sort of just your thoughts and some of the mechanisms of how some of this stuff might might work well it's there's a lot of different ways to remove you it's not just and it's evolved over time and that's why I 100% believe that the unit they found another purpose for the unit and they couldn't take the people that were already in that program because it was being used for something else that then turned it into something way more nefarious so where a lot of it started really was in 1958 when the United States launched its first satellite

25:19into the space called explore one and I just a little while after Russia had launched their satellite spotnik in the space and just mentioned DARPA there DARPA was established in 1958 NASA was established in 1958 and then the government officially became involved with the public school system in 1958 they were looking for scientists and engineers and the very smart people to work for NASA and they were looking for astronauts and they were just looking for people because they needed to keep up with Russia that was the excuse and that's also the excuse as to why we needed this psychic remote viewing Stargate unit as well was because we had found out that Russia was doing this and that in if Russia was doing it then we also need to do it and it's this back and forth between the United States and Russia and it's always been this back and forth

26:19between United States and Russia because Russia got more German Nazi scientists and engineers and I'm not using Nazi as a political ideation just or an ideology just as a way to describe them during World War II Russia got officially more of those German astronauts and not astronauts but you know scientists and engineers than the United States did in their own version of project paperclip and it's always been this you know this back and forth between you know the United States and Russia since after World War II and it still kind of persist up into this very day you know Russia reportedly got over 6000 German engineers and scientists and their families into Russia after World War II and reportedly United States on paper only got around 2000 now that number as

27:25reportedly some people say upwards of 10,000 United States got but verifiably on paper United States got around 10,000 I mean 2000 so when you look at it that way it's like it almost feels like you know our our Germans versus their Germans and it's always been this this back and forth between the two countries since after World War II so when Russia beat us in the space with the launching of the Sputnik this really freaked out the Eisenhower administration and they realized that the best way to get people recruited into the military and into the intelligence agencies and high positions of power within corporations and leaders of communities you know including inventors and outside of the box thinkers because this just isn't for the military now a lot of people that have been through the gifted and talented education programs which it's important to make distinctions here

28:26and I think that we do a really good job within the movie making the distinction because a lot of things are called gate they and we need even just in regular life there we have a lot of things called gate we got water gate uh African deflate gate when you go to the airport where do you go to you go to your gate you know those gates uh with everything and and it's everywhere so and you got the stargate SG1 you got Star Trek stargate so it's like all this different gate stuff so you had the Stargate remote viewing unit then you also had the Monroe Institute gate way experience which is what you were just mentioning about out of body experience as essentially astral projection and getting outside of your body uh those are two different programs and then the public school gate program gifted and talented education which is a better way to explain it by instead of just saying gate in all these you should just call it you know it gives it

29:27in talented education because it's a better differentiator because people will get confused of all the gates but those are three separate programs they're all different and they're none of them are really connected other than the Stargate DIA program and the Monroe Institute gate way experience uh because the DIA Army intelligence sent some of the Army personnel to Robert Monroe's Hemi-Sync program to see if getting outside of their body could help them in their remote viewing experience you send uh several of them to the Monroe Institute now the the gifted and talented education the only connecting tissue there is that it may possibly have been a way to identify psychic abilities for candidates for remote viewing but none of the

30:28people that were officially in the Stargate remote viewing unit have went through any gifted or talented education so if they were used in an official program that program would be so black budget and so underground that you were never going to find out about it I just going to be so top secret and would have uh possibly came come out after uh Stargate was shut down but there were other remote viewing units uh that were uh you know talked about what Limby Cannon within the movie talks about how he had gotten an invitation for a program called Project Delta and this was a remote viewing psychic ability program excuse me um using psychic abilities in combat in physical combat within the military now that was rumored to either have happened in Texas northern California or one of the Carolinas nobody really knows it was a very top secret unit

31:31but that's kind of what the minute steric goats the movie with George Clooney and Jeff Bridges and you and McGregor was really about it was a combination of those two units that psychic combat unit and the uh for the spying psychic spying on foreign intelligence of the DIA and army intelligence was involved in a Fort Mead Maryland say seventy eight so do you think beyond the Russians and the Americans any other countries have um advanced such projects to any extent you know my I would only think maybe the Chinese Dave Roberts here there you are surrounded by fans sharing wings sharing drinks high-fiving random strangers everybody remembers the game nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later at 2 a.m. you wake up with the fever and your throats on fire now what urgent care close ER slam telehealth maybe but the pharmacies close you

32:32needed a medical emergency kit these aren't first aid kits they contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions sinus and ear infection UTIs stomach bug travelers diarrhea and more on hand before you need them use your doctor develop guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by it's like an urgent care and drug store at home when you're sick traveling or stranded you wish you ordered a medical emergency kit order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say 45 dollars with my promo code blue at urgentcare kit dot com slash blue that's promo code blue at urgent care kit dot com slash blue Chinese 100% yes we know that the the China-wise is probably currently testing children for psychic abilities 100% that's how remote viewing got its name was uh Russell Targon how put off and a few other people went to China and one of the kids in China

33:41said something they called it remote viewing and that's where Russell Targon SRI actually got the name remote viewing came from a child in China so watching your film a number of the people you interview they often say you know I can't tell you this or or or tell you that some of them say they were remote viewers um have any of them ever you know it's kind of goes back to what you were saying earlier could they reproduce on camera what they were doing but then as you said earlier that it's difficult to prove just any thoughts on um whether you've asked or you know how can we don't have any further uh visual evidence of the reproduction of such activity or I mean it is very top secret in classified now well uh I mean I could have I could have been like uh you know remove you this uh right now but the thing about remote viewing is it doesn't work the way that

34:45internet people believe that it works it takes a lot of concentration and a lot of effort in in time and I just can't write uh you know something down on a piece of paper and and hand it to limb you can and and have him remote view it it's like a process maybe it's a very deep uh process and the person that's giving the coordinate essentially has to imbu the target onto the coordinate because it's a very it's a pretty mystical uh uh thing going on that not a lot of people really understand exactly how it works and that's why a lot of people don't like it because it's very difficult they don't believe in it because it is a very difficult concept to really grasp but often the person that's giving the target is just as important as the person is doing the remote viewing how so because they're essentially imbuing the target onto the onto the

35:54coordinate that you write down on the piece of paper the coordinate doesn't have anything to do with doesn't give you an actual target doesn't give you an actual place it's a randomized set of numbers that the person that's giving the target it creates it's it's a lot different than what people really believe that it is now a lot of people online believe that it's uh you know that you can just look at a picture and then automatically remove you it you know that's not the way that that it works i mean if you're really gifted if you're really gifted to psychic what very few people are i mean they can claim that they are but are they really i mean in the document i didn't show this in the movie but there's a document that came out in 1993 which is a five year plan of the stargate remote viewing unit and it

36:56talks about um how what percentage of the population are actually uh psychic people and it states that almost everybody has the ability to do it like everyone has the ability to remove you and and be psychic but only one percent of the population can do it accurately and this was in 1993 now one percent of the population can do this and do it accurately that's a very very small percentage of the population that can actually do it and do it accurately so unless you're a highly gifted psychic like power price that died in 1975 that the CIA literally said that they could give him a picture of anything anywhere in the world and he could tell them

37:59exactly what was going on there at that time you get a few no no go i just got a few questions on the other questions you mentioned pat the price which was on my talking point but stargate so would you say was that the first and principal um program because you know often i think you touched on this in the film these things don't go away they just get renamed um we had Bruce Gagnon who's who's the expert on the space war uh defense you know you had the 1980s Reagan strategic defense initiative um star wars program uh and they were forgetting out that was often said that that was simply that that was shut down but it was renamed i forget what now but you know now we have the golden dome project which is basically like 1980s star wars strategic defense initiative you know it's like an in never went away or DARPA life log which is today it's Facebook met the facebook is DARPA life log it didn't go away it's it's it's being developed

39:00further under another guy's you know same thing with all this ex tech musk uh tesla ex technology you name it you know i'm i i believe firmly amazon was a DARPA project because baselesses grandpa was founder of our pot uh these been a lot of time with with grams but my question was on stargate um and the the interesting part where there there appear to be many um programs under many different agencies how compartmentalized uh was it and then you for example you point out and i think a lot of them overlap like mk ultra must overlap with stargate and remote viewing somehow in some ways sometimes and if they maybe word got out and there was all the bruh how you know we saw in the 70s was the 70s with mk ultra and and cia they shut that project down at the agency of the cia but it continued on elsewhere so if you could just give us sort of a um outline of of of stargate and

40:03and how you see these projects well it's a very complicated and complex uh history uh that i would really recommend someone just to watch the movie and and really take it from there because it's a really comprehensive look at the psychic intelligence and where the research and everything starts and you can go back to the 1930s Duke University what um the rock afeller administration was actually responsible for um you know putting together a lot of that uh research into the early psychic stuff at Duke University which was by our corals and during gb rine which was the telepathy card game that uh was tested on indigenous school children and on um children in um the united states and uh but as far as the government having an actual psychic spy program they funded the cia funded

41:11s r i international in the early 70s and this is where pop prize came out of this were ingoswan came out of and a few others like uh very dollar and some other um psychic individuals came out of s r i uh but then it got turned into a uh in 1978 army intelligence uh got into uh that they needed to open up a unit of uh psychic spies uh to figure out what's going on in other countries and uh that our satellite couldn't reach because they had funded this research and the study at s r i and us r i had essentially proven scientifically that this removed viewing and psychic stuff there really is something to it and it works uh they had done many double blind uh experiments with

42:13psychic individuals and and found out that it worked and the cia funding this was like okay well we need to take this to you know uh the military and then the the military got involved and then when pop prize died in 1975 the cia it cut funding to s r i which was a really whole interesting thing going on there i don't believe that pop prize actually died i believe that they faked his death to put him into a really black underground project that was um it probably way more nefarious i mean when you have the head of the cia saying that we have a guy that can see anything that's going on anywhere in the world right you have a uh a a hen that lays golden eggs right you got to goose the lays golden eggs you are never going to let him out of your sight and you're never going to let him die you know and in the the events surrounding pop prices death are so strange and inconspicuous that it only leads a person to believe that uh

43:20that he didn't die and uh that it was he was just taken into a a a blacker project that he you that was so dark and in probably really nefarious that uh he essentially couldn't be alive for in the public version of that right he couldn't publicly be alive so the easiest way was that you know to to fake his death and then take him into this uh probably in some sort of underground facility i mean several people that have worked in uh deep underground military bases in the United States uh and have lived to talk about it say that the people that work there some of them never leave okay they're there for their entire life and they die there okay so where do those people come from you know where do you get somebody to work in a deep underground military base for their entire life and then die down there and then their family and their friends and never asking any questions right so the easiest way is to fake someone's death and then have the perception of

44:24them already begun and then you take them uh and and then they're working out the rest of your life until until they die you know there is just there is a logic to that in the film you mentioned general stubblebine um the late stubblebine and i've interviewed um his wife uh read Dr. Rima LIBO a number of times i've met her um she was on a few months back uh and then subsequently one of my listeners sent me a video i had no idea of that she's given interviews a few years prior to that where she's talking about she was channeling um her late husband stubblebine and talking about automatic writing which i just learned from your film where some of the remote viewers met throughout the term i guess part of their process included automatic um writing like you're channeling uh i'm just you just send me thoughts on um stubblebine yeah stubblebine was essentially

45:27looking for uh you know people that would display uh gifts or uh you know he's the one that found angel of forty also found uh limb you can in and he found some uh several other people that ended up in the remote viewing unit so he was looking for those those paranormal or uh psychic stories and another thing that i found that was really interesting is that it seemed like a lot of the people that were involved in that unit actually had out of body experiences when they were a kid like they had a near-death experience or they had an out of body experience when they were very young and that may or may not have unlocked the uh psychic abilities in their mind and when you look at the mk ultra programs that were going on before this you'll see that there are several mk ultra sub projects that were directly tailored toward the discovery and unlocking of

46:35psychic abilities uh sub project of 102 uh well that one was a summer camp with children but a sub project eighty three one thirty six were all about discovering unlocking and the study of ESP and uh psychic abilities and that's really what kind of got me on to a lot of this stuff was looking into the mk ultra documents and realizing that they were also interested in ESP and psychic abilities and when you think about how if you can unlock those abilities within the person through trauma because that's what the mk ultra programs were really about was traumatizing an individual well what if they discovered by traumatizing the individual they have an out of body experience i mean that's what a lot of people claim happens to them when they have an involuntary out of body experience it's because they have been subjected to an intensive noun of trauma

47:38and they get outside of their body okay so if that's the case and getting outside of your body is what actually brings these psychic abilities to the forefront of people's minds well then you have a way to get it out of people that that that was that was that was the frightening part of your um film was to think that the government is finding people i'm assuming many of them against their own will and trying to confining them traumatizing them to run these experiments to obtain this power uh and attempts to wield it um Marilyn Manson made a brief appearance in your film and he mentioned when he was Dave Roberts here there you are surrounded by fans sharing wings sharing drinks high-fiving random strangers everybody remembers the game nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later at 2 a.m. you wake up with the fever and your

48:39throats on fire now what urgent care close ER slam telehealth maybe but the pharmacies close you needed a medical emergency kit these aren't first aid kits they contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions sinus and ear infection uti stomach bug travelers diarrhea and more on hand before you need them use your doctor develop guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by it's like an urgent care and drugstore at home when you're sick traveling or stranded you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say 45 dollars with my promo code blue at urgent care kit dot com slash blue that's promo code blue at urgent care kit dot com slash blue a kid i think he was involved in one of these programs and it made me think again of laurel canyon you're you i'm guessing you read the book Dave McGowan right yes um and uh Billy Corgan as of late he's been interviewing Conrad Flynn i haven't been able to watch that three-part interview series but

49:44uh Conrad and i interact on the substack and i want to get him on at some point but Corgan was said recently that uh uh you know and jazz Coleman of killing joke why almost got on the podcast because he was living in Mexico during covid but had a near-death experience he's an occultist and he was admits he was part of the tabus talk manufacturing of of rock and what's my point here is that you have this triangulation of via people like Maryland Manson and just Coleman in uk and and and in billy Corgan who admitted that cia had approached them but he wouldn't reveal the as to the nature of it and the day are very involved in the music industry i'm just curious if you have any thought on that and and and and Maryland Manson i mean it's just a strange connection where he's connected to the rock scene and entertainment scene and intelligence um and that kind of makes me think are some of the people um that we see in the media were they it's kind of a separate issue the entertainment

50:46and remote viewing but a lot of the people who was a head-on victor Hugo Vaca Jr who was a musician and he was doing a lot of art performances with musicians and a lot of the stuff he stuff he said off the cuff i checked he mentioned um this guitarist skunk backster and uh that he was with skunk and skunk asked him are you cia he's like no because he he was and then you look at up skunk backs they're played in the dooby brothers and um forget what other group and he worked in defense he worked in the defense industry so just just any thought on Maryland Manson and and some of these connections um where it seems like people are groomed much earlier than we think oh man this is a really deep one uh yeah i mean when you look at Laurel Canyon and all the bands came up out of Hollywood in LA in the 60s all had um military intelligence uh parents uh their dads or uh they were they had some kind of close family member that was a high-ranking

51:47military individual right so it's obvious that the kids of high-ranking military individuals were used because they were the ones that were like they were proven and they knew that like they were mostly going to keep their mouth shut you know what i mean and then if you take that and you you understand that and you understand that this is why a lot of people don't actually make it you can be a talent that as you ever really want to be but if you're not a part of the group then you're not going to be a part of the group right you're not ever really going to get to that that high level of fame i think that things are kind of changing a little bit now with the internet but as far back as Hollywood has ever gone i mean now we have youtubers making movies and they're acting and all this stuff which is really cool i think it's really great but it used to be if you weren't uh in the that family if your father wasn't a well-known person or if you

52:48didn't have a family member that was out there vouching for you you could be a hundred times better than Elvis you could be better than uh the Beatles you could be a great singer done this did not matter because you didn't have the backing of these uh the the intelligence community or the military or the government and you didn't know anybody important okay so you take that same type of scenario with LA in the 60s with uh you know Dave McGonnell's book he did a lot of research into this and uh you just bring it forward into the you know 70s 80s 90s they just expanded that to everybody's children not just children of high-ranking military officials or people that are in the military that are tried and true they just expanded it to everyone's children they said let's just go out everywhere and let's find and get anybody's children it doesn't matter it's

53:52home it's identical to the MK Ultra programs that were done on an individual basis you know they scrapped that whole thing and they're like okay well let's we figured this out on a individual level on a small group level of how we can control the minds of people uh you know doctor you and camera and in Canada I was doing that psychic driving stuff when the MK Ultra programs were sub sub leased out to uh Canada and Ravens Craig and a lot of those people actually ended up suing the CIA and the government and and one they didn't get a lot of money but uh it was verified that these things did happen but you and camera was doing this thing called psychic driving where you would traumatize people uh you would depottern them through that traumatization you would drug them and then you would psychically drive them which is a looped repeated audio message that uh can convince a person of something that they otherwise would would never think or that something happened

54:57when it really didn't happen because it goes both ways right and they just got they figure that out and they're like okay well let's just stop all that we we got that down pal let's just do it to everybody and then you get these mass traumatization events where then things are put in the place and laws are made that can be passed that otherwise would not be able to be passed under normal circumstances so it's really just the evolving uh nature of what they were doing in the 60s with Hollywood and the expanders have your ones children and then it's also just the evolving nature of MK Ultron how they took it from an individual level just do it that everybody all it wants to the world yeah when you mentioned um looped repetition and indoctrination um you see it with the masses you see I'm sure they've taken some of the stuff they've learned and we just see whether it's here in Mexico or you

56:00as you know just in the US and you talk to people even people who don't necessarily have strong political positions you hear them parroting the official narrative and it's it's the TV that's on in the background nonstop or the radio or the feeds that they check it's that looped repetition that's programming people I just use the example you know we're hanging out with someone and um the it's it's it's the two minutes of hate and orwell was it a manual goldstein word trump they're they're they're ranting about how much trump is bad and it's like you're missing the force for the trees who cares about trump he's the manual goldstein of today tomorrow is going to be um someone else uh I I wanted to ask you about so you mentioned Stargate I'm just curious if you've thought of this of any connection the news Stargate so was it a while back you had Sam ultman and um was it Larry Ellison of Oracle with trump at the White House forming this new Stargate initiative with data

57:03centers and AI and then there have been separate reports of ultman or people from open AI or such organizations themselves actually talking about data centers and portals uh and so I'm just kind of wondering like is this full circle now is is there something going on here do you see any relation or this is this could be something just completely separate well it's been they do this thing on purpose all the time where they try and hide other programs by renaming a new program the exact same thing and that's one of the first things that trump announced whenever he got back in the office in 2024 was this new Stargate AI and what is used to obfuscate any other thing that was possibly named Stargate before that right so whenever you type in Stargate you're going to get nothing but articles from Stargate trumps Stargate AI right they've been doing this for a really long time like with uh looking glass uh if you type in looking glass on google it'll be just you know

58:10Ellison wonderland through the looking glass now because I was one of the latest uh you got a literally type in operation looking glass and then whenever you type in operation looking like you'll get that it was a nuclear command post in the early 60s uh the the the air force put in space and so you know they're they're trying to you know cover up things that uh you know like name them very similar stuff and name them certain things and then you know it pretty much obfuscates anything that came before it that's been a uh it's an intelligence technique that they do and you know on another point and again this is fleshed out much more in the film with some of the experts you um interview and in the b-roll footage was great it just kind of makes excellent viewing and and and learning um my mind was boggled at in the us

59:18they were talking about countless businesses like entire buildings businesses offices were literally fronts for FBI for CIA I mean you can do an entire separate documentary I think on this topic but were you aware of that prior and just any thought on that on that I was aware of it to a certain extent uh because it had come out that a lot of the mall kiosk in the center of uh big shopping malls in the United States were uh Israeli intelligence operations uh so I knew that it was happening to a certain degree but I didn't know that it was happening to such a wide degree that you could be working for a business and have absolutely no idea that it's an undercover FBI operation has probably been running for multiple years but that's just how deep the intelligence community goes I mean I did know

1:00:23that there are spies out there that have uh that are working within the United States so that are multi-year undercover operations multi-year like 10 plus years they can be working in operation and you would never know okay so these things do go on for a really long time and uh that's how dedicated the intelligence world is uh in in doing these types of operations now uh and that's really uh I knew that things like that existed I just didn't know to the exact extent and how you know that they can just disguise whatever with the they want they can use a uh freaking donut shop or um you know a tea place or a bowlable place as a front uh and it's

1:01:24and it's an actual business that operates but it's not but it's really actually ran by the FBI it's really it's really mind-boggling it's it's mind-boggling um are there any other issues you think are important that I haven't touched on where do you see this space going forward do you think any of the new technologies that are being developed I mean we're hearing about biodeigital convergence um you know stuff that they're injecting into people metals graphene um like all these sorts of experiments DARPA is doing with internet connectivity and land sea air space interspace outer spaces a cyberspace um I just sort of see that a bit coalescing a bit going forward and then you have like 5G and 6G and I don't doubt that with these new technologies they'll have even greater capacity capability to mess somehow I don't know how I don't know the mechanism I mean as you mentioned we're

1:02:25already seeing um the influence that they're having on the masses so yeah any other thoughts uh here oh man we can probably talk about this uh a whole thing for another hour uh I just looked up Walmart's new privacy policy you should probably do an entire show on that have you seen Walmart's new privacy policy in the United States no I I retreated you're you're on that but they have stuff for your what even supposedly walk in without a cell phone like they know who you are things like that probably have your biometric data they they've been literally had facial recognition on you for I personally believe since the 2012 since they started that uh self checkout was uh that was installed with facial recognition software which you said something interesting so I and I think this is often the case they'll bring out um some experiment and then later they'll take it down and saying oh we lost but it's like no it they'll feel that it's it's purpose you were saying maybe that the cameras in the self checkouts the purpose was to get scan people's faces and not

1:03:29the self checkouts themselves just any thoughts yeah that oh absolutely that's exactly it's exactly what they're doing and what they've been doing in the the new Walmart I'm gonna do a whole video on this uh because I think that it's really important uh how much Walmart Walmart is Walmart knows exactly you are Dave Roberts here there you are surrounded by fans sharing wings sharing drinks high-fiving random strangers everybody remembers the game nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later at 2 a.m. you wake up with the fever and your throats on fire now what urgent care close ER slam telehealth maybe but the pharmacies close you needed a medical emergency kit these aren't first aid kits they contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions sinus and ear infection uti stomach bug travelers diarrhea and more on hand before you need them use your doctor develop guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by it's like an urgent care and drugstore at home when you're sick traveling or stranded you'll wish

1:04:34you ordered a medical emergency kit order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say $45 with my promo code blue at urgent care kit dot com slash blue that's promo code blue at urgent care kit dot com slash blue it's kind of like the uh the Amazon store where you walk in and you uh you can take anything off of the shelf and then it automatically charges your card you know but it's like that that's an example of how the the self checkout is a move point because they're already skipping that because we're already seeing and I guess the end point which they're gonna roll roll out in many shops is there won't be any checkout you're just gonna take what you want and you leave so right and they're gonna be digital price tags and this gonna be based off of the information that they have on you and what's in your bank account and what's not in your bank account and what you talk about on social media what your social media is tied to this with the people that you follow is going to be all tied to this is basically a social credit system

1:05:36but that's not what they're going to call it but that's essentially what it's going to be and the prices are going to be they we've already seen this you can say that this is not so crazy but they're already rolling out these digital price tags and they can literally change them based on the and they're extracting your data too they're literally taking your data off of your phone through a Bluetooth signal and and figuring out everything but they've already had that's what the flock cameras are also doing all the flock cameras are a bluetooth digital signal that's extracting all the data off of your phone it's not just taking pictures of you or your car or your license plate it's also taking all the information off of your technology the Walmart's got your bio do biofeedback data it's got your thumbprint it knows your iris it knows your eye it knows it literally everything it just I go to the Walmart's new privacy policy and you'll think by reading through this that it would be maybe this is just online

1:06:42maybe they just know all this stuff online because I mean well that too they do know that too but it's not just online it's in store as well literally says it in the the policy but for things that we didn't necessarily get to cover I do want to cover a few things are really quickly because we did kind of heavily go into the DIA Army intelligence remove viewing units like expi unit I mean we kind of touched on the gifted and talented education but I also think that it's important to get into that because that's how I believe that a lot of people were are to this very day because it's still going on recruited into high positions of power and how they actually find the next Greta Thunberg how they find the next LeBron James that they're talking about black lives matter how they find the the next star athlete is through these gifted and talented education programs that are being ran in public school and it's not just you know extracurricular classes there are entire schools that are just set up for gifted

1:07:50and talented children like just that has nothing in it but children that have been deemed gifted and talented right so in the 70s the parents were getting really upset because they couldn't get their child's school records they would go to the public school and be like hey can I get access to my child school records the board would come back and say all well we can't give it to you because we don't have them so they decided to enact this bill called FERPA which FERPA is the parents rights and privacy act and this was to find out what's going on with the child school records and they found out that they couldn't get access to the child school records because the CIA had access to all the CIA have been collecting their child's school records which had data behavioral things on and anything that they got in trouble their test scores there

1:08:53anything that had ever been written down by a teacher or anybody inside of the school the CIA had access to that so FERPA actually got passed and the parents got the rights to their child's records back but the CIA slipped in an amendment at the very last moment that still gave them the ability to get access to everybody that's in public school any child in public school access to the records and then whenever 9-11 happened they were then just able to get it anyway it didn't matter at that point so anything from FERPA that was left over was just disregarded because now we can go in and get any child school records because it as it relates to national security because domestic and foreign terrorism right we can do anything under the national security protecting national security and we can just make up whatever it is because you know we're the government and we

1:09:54say that something is against national security than it is right national security is whatever whatever that they say national security is so that's a really important aspect so when this passed the it didn't stop the gifted and talented education from happening they just switched the names they started naming them different stuff like TAG which is a talented and gifted or focused which is the acronym for fostering originality creativity and understanding self-awareness so a lot of kids remember going through really weird and strange tests in public school in these gifted and talented schools and I really set out to try and prove that in the documentary and find documentation that proves exactly what they were doing in these gifted and talented classes so other than recruiting people because I do believe that that is a really big part of it it's

1:10:56to find people that they believe will be important for the future to put them in the some give them a writer position at the New York Times give them the right head of the newspaper organization you know head of this head of that and then they just create front people for a lot of these organizations because the military is actually the ones that created a lot of this technology but they need a front person out there to take the fall for anything that might happen to the company or the organization like a Mark Zuckerberg he didn't create Facebook he was just put out there as the the face of Facebook right and there's been several other people like that as well I believe Steve Jobs was the same type of person he might have had some kind of hand in creating some kind of software but I believe that the majority of the things that happen are military created technology through bringing in a lot of these kids smart kids and they go

1:12:01to the military or they become a head of a corporation where they end up working for somebody other than themselves right and so instead of them creating their own business and building themselves up from the bottom to where that they could be in competition with any other big tech giant or any other corporation that's doing whatever it is that they're doing they'll be working for that corporation so anything that they invent inside of that corporation is no longer theirs this is why we would get somebody from the smartest tech person from India or the smartest tech person from China because they will never be a CEO of a corporation or a company but we can use them in our corporation in our company knowing that anything that they make for this corporation and the company that they would they will never own so we can just use their smarts and their talents for this very purpose so then they will not ever be any in any direct competition with our company

1:13:05or with our corporation right this is the way that it works but anyway several of these kids remember being involved in really strange experiments such as you know taking a strange substance out playing with blocks strings what people describe as 3d glasses and there are several programs that you know kind of coincide with these things that people remember such as the aims leaf room which which was funded by the Naval of Office in intelligence research where this guy named my doctor he was going to take college students into a room and dose them with LSD and had a room with leaves all over it and they would go outside it go out of their minds and they would end up in an emergency room because it would be in like some kind of psychosis there's another experiment called the GANS Felt Experiment that is essentially induces hallucinations and activates your psychic abilities

1:14:09if people wanted to look more into that just type in GAN Z FELD GANS Felt Experiment so people remember a lot of these weird and strange tests and these weren't just normal tests you know because I think some people are confused about these and they think that they have something to do with you know the president's physical fitness test or the health department coming to the school and doing some kind of weird test once a month or you know once every quarter or once a year whatever this is different this is being pulled out of the class like every single day and now this is being or weekly you know and everyone wasn't involved in this but again it can be hid under something that everybody was involved with like the health department coming to the thing and having people drink something fluoride right but this is different this is something

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