Real Ramen Hour: Bone Broth Ramen - Remembering Across Generations

0:00Hey guys, welcome to Real Ramen Hour! Where we have real conversation about real things and real food and today we're going to talk about very important people because they are real grandparents, these people that have left an impact in your lives. Yeah, and they're just really cool people. So yeah, there's a special reason why we're doing it this week, Ashlyn. Well, today is, I don't know when this episode will come out, but right now it is February 28th and that marks the anniversary of several very important political situations in Taiwan, including one that involves my family and my grandparents. So yeah, it's Peace Memorial Day in Taiwan and it commemorates the 2 to 8 massacre and

1:05murders there. So we decided to do this episode today. Yeah, so if you didn't catch the word murders and massacres, this is going to be a slightly heavier episode and yeah, we're diving deep into family history that involves a lot of war and communism and just suffering. There are really important stories that need to be heard, but if you're here for the laughs and like the normal episode, I'd come back next week of this week, we're going to talk about some really cool history. No, but do so listen to this podcast because I think it is. Yeah, it's just, yeah, disclaimer is not, this is going to be a little bit of a different style. Very serious. Yeah. So Ashlyn and I will be sharing some stories about our grandparents today. Yeah. But first, we always have to share a recipe with you guys and today Keenam is going to share a recipe that her grandmother likes to make for her speaking of Asian heritage. Yeah. So my grandmother's, I still remember this, but this is one of my favorite recipes.

2:12I have not successfully created, re-create it yet because Asian do not measure. They just do it whenever they feel like it's right. I don't know, but it is fried spring roll. So I know people, Americans, or like, you know, a lot of people like to call it egg rolls, but it's actually fried spring roll because we use spring roll wrappers, just a very special kind from Vietnam. And then we would have the fillings of either half pork, have usually chicken, but depending on your preference, but half pork, half chicken, and then we have vermicelli noodles to make it a little more like, you know, textures-wise, sometimes we even put corn in it and it tastes good too. Oh. Yeah. But I just like it the plain simple way of just the fillings with vermicelli, green onion, shallots, maybe, and carrots.

3:15So that's how I get my carrots intake. I do not like carrots, but it is a very good recipe to have during holidays when you're eating with your families because the little kids love it and I love it and I'm like 21. So I really enjoy it. Is it like, what is the wrapper like? It's actually a lot more, so you have to probably soak it in water first before or like, use your hand to brush the water onto the piece of rice paper because you just want it to soften naturally and then you would use it to wrap rather than the regular egg roll where they, it get kind of solid. It's like almost like more floury, so when you bite into it, there's a bit more of like, I didn't like it because it's like, there's a lot more pastry to it, which I don't like. I like the clean fresh taste of just like the thing that is separating between you and the filling is just one thin piece of rice paper. Okay, so there's no wheat in the wrap. Okay, that's cool, but you still fry it.

4:18Okay, you just got to be very careful because you have to fry it on really low temperature and you got to watch it, which I have not been able to do. So what is the typical dipping sauce like, what, what do you use to make that? So we do have a recipes, it's fish sauce, lime, yeah, lime, um, it's like, you know, well, sometimes people use vinegar, but my family like using lime because we like the thing and then yeah, uh, chili, like the actual chili, um, garlic, sugar, palm sugar, preferably, but I don't know to each their own, but yeah, usually it's very fresh, like you just want to keep everything kind of light and the sauce is very like tangy, like salty, sweet a little bit, but everything you want to elevate the food and not try to like kind of make it heavy. Yeah, I'm assuming. That sounds really good because fried food is typically very heavy, but this sounds like it. Yeah, got a good balance of freshness and tang and the texture, like the crunch on the outside

5:21and then like the, so the inside, one other question. You said there's carrots and like other veggies, do you cook those or are they fresh? They're fresh. Okay, because you find them on a really low temperature, so it usually could cook the inside. Okay, or you flash fry them the first time and then you kind of like fry them again. Have you, my mom's made it with shrimp before? Is that like a totally different thing? Well, it's depending on the region. Sometimes when you make it decorative, you put the shrimp at the end of the room and it's cute, like you can see it go. Yeah, depending on it's very much, we, I'm from the central of Vietnam, so we like, we're not like the most degraded person ever. In some sense, so we just like taste and I just like the meat kind of ground and just like one texture in that sense of like proteins. Yeah, yeah, I know. Wow, thanks for sharing. Yeah, you should make that for lunch. Yeah, it's so close to lunch.

6:23Guys, like I feel like my stomach is growling too. Yeah, my movement too. Well, do you want to, do you want to start Ashlyn? Okay, I'll start with this story about my grandparents and my family in Taiwan. So I'm going to get into some history at first, just you know the landscape of Taiwan at the time, like the political landscape. So Japan had colonized Taiwan for a while, but during World War II, because they lost, the Allied forces had Chiang Kai-shek, which you've probably heard of, the Allied powers, they asked Chiang Kai-shek to basically make expel Japan from Taiwan, and the Americans signed this multilateral Treaty of Peace with Japan,

7:27the San Francisco Treaty of 1951, that specified that Japan would give up sovereignty of Taiwan. It however did not say anything about to whom Taiwan was going to be given. It just said that Japan would have to give up sovereignty. But because Chiang Kai-shek was a representative of the Allied powers, not a representative of the People's Republic of China, he's Chinese though. He basically took over Taiwan during this time because there was no specification of who would have Taiwan. Instead of just kicking out Japan, he took over Taiwan instead of his dictatorship there. And because of the Korean and Cold War, nobody really kicked him out or said you couldn't do that, so he basically had free reign in Taiwan for a while. So during this time, this was 1945. Chiang Kai-shek sent his governor general to take over occupation of Taiwan, and during this time, the economy tanked, everything was in shambles,

8:30they stripped the provinces bare, that was his specialty. That's an awful special thing. Yeah, and he actually got a lot of funding and things like that from America, because during this time, he propagandized that he was finding the communists in China, like Mao, like that over there. So everyone was like, oh, this guy's so great. And probably a lot of people nowadays still think that, but he was just using that as an excuse to get more funding to have his own fascist dictatorship. In Taiwan. So during this time, there was like very little food to go around, the economy was really bad. And at one point, this little old lady was selling cigarettes from the black market on the streets, because she didn't have any food, and that was the only way she could get money. And the government military police came and roughed her up, and the Taiwanese people were really

9:36outraged about this. And because of that, they rose up all over Taiwan and kicked out the military police and established provisional governments with different leaders. So during this time, Chen Kai-shek's governor general was pretending to negotiate with the new leaders of these Taiwanese people, but he was actually just taking down a list of names. And on February 28, 1947, which is the anniversary, today is the anniversary of that. The governor general sent troops to Taiwan, and they shot their way down the whole island and arrested the leaders of the provisional government. So one thing they did was they had like a save bullets tactic, because they don't want to waste their bullets. And they would tie up three Taiwanese people together, and they'd shoot one in the head, and then they'd bounce them next to a lake and let the weight of the dead body pull both of the other people down. So that all of them would die, but they wouldn't have to waste bullets on all three of them. So bodies would just wash up everywhere, and there'd be mass graves everywhere

10:40because of that. So this was the this was a two to eight massacre that happened in 1947. And after this, martial law was firmly established, and that's basically just no freedom of speech, no freedom of petition, no freedom of assembly. Anything you say could be held against you, it was called the white terror period, because people would just disappear randomly. If they accidentally said anything that could possibly be linked to badmouthing the government or disagreeing with any of the policies. So this actually happened all the way up until 1987, which is fairly recent, because Chen Kai-shek, when he died, his son took over the dictatorship and continued martial law. So during this time, this is where my family comes in, during the white terror period, there wasn't undercover magazine that popped up, and it was called the Formosa magazine,

11:42or Mille d'Alps in Taiwanese. And there is a huge network of this undercover, and it would be like this little old lady selling flowers on the street. And if you said the right words, she would have a magazine underneath the flower somewhere, and she'd just like whip it out and give it to you secretly. So it was just an undercover Taiwanese movement, and eventually this whole undercover organization had organized a peaceful protest, and so many people showed up that to this peaceful protest, that the government was scared, and immediately started arresting everyone involved in this peaceful protest. This was in 1979, Gaoshion, and Sidet is what it's called, and one of the people they arrested was my grandfather. So he was a lawyer who advised the magazine, although he wasn't like explicitly a part of it, and he was also prominent politician and very outspoken about democratic ideals and human rights. So one day, like my mom, when she's little, she said she woke up, and he

12:46wasn't there. And she asked where he was, and they just were like, oh, he enlisted in the military or something, but actually he was taken to prison during this time. Yeah, so he and a lot of like every single person involved was arrested and taken to prison, and in prison, they were tortured to sign confession letters that they were communists, so that they would look bad, and that the government would have the ability to just kind of like blame it on communism and be like, oh, these people, this is why we arrested them, whatever. But he was tortured, he didn't sign them, but his mom, so my great grandmother, went to visit him in jail and noticed like the effects of the torture, obviously. And so she called Amnesty International on this situation. But unfortunately, her phone was tapped. So the government found out that she called Amnesty International. What is that? It's like the, I don't, I didn't like look it up specifically. I think it's for the people to be

13:54like awareness on torture and things like wait, can you not me look it up real quick? Okay, so some organization that kind of checks on that to end abuse of human rights. So it's like yeah, campaign. So Amnesty International is a campaign that like works on the abuse of human rights and such. So she called them and her phone was tapped. So the government found out about it, and because of that, they decided to make an example of his family to scare like anyone else, any other Taiwanese from doing anything like that in the future. So just for context, during this time, my mom's house was under 24 hour police surveillance because the government was supposedly trying to take care of them, you know, and keep, because her dad was in jail, whatever. But on the anniversary of 228, so this would be February 28th in 1980. They sent an

15:00assassin to my mom's house. And this was in broad daylight. And while the house was under 24 hour police surveillance, so it was obviously a political maneuver and not just like a random undercover thing. So my mom was like walking back from school because her school was nearby, and she knocked on the door of her house. And nobody was letting her in for a while, so she kept knocking and knocking. And finally, the door was opened by this Chinese looking guy. But she thought, because her house had lots of guests, she's just sad, it was just random guests to open the door. So she like walked inside, went to her room, was taking off her backpack, and then he came behind her and swiped at her with a knife. And she thankfully was able to block it with her backpack. But he kept stabbing her several times. And he did, like, if she hadn't been able to block the first one, it probably would have been fatal. But because she was aware of it, she was able to like semi block some of the stabs. And she managed to basically just not die

16:05at that moment. And then her grandmother, who was across the street, like, by vegetable or something, walked in and distracted the murder. And he went and killed her grandmother and left her for dead. Also another detail is that her twin sisters, she was about eight at this time, and she had two twin younger sisters. They were probably around six, and they were all so stabbed to death during this time. So she was left for dead, and her mom, my grandmother, was visiting my grandfather in jail. So her mom was not in the house at the time, which was a, which is a big praise. But eventually her mom was like calling home and couldn't get any answer from anybody, so her mom went and called somebody to go check on the house, and then they found my mom left for dead with a bunch of stab wounds. And thankfully, they were able to

17:08quickly get her help and try to send her to a hospital. So yes, but her twin sisters and her grandmother did not survive murder. So after this happened, the doctors were actually scared to operate on her because it was the anniversary of two to eight. And so they, or February 28th, we call it two to eight in Taiwan. And so it took them a while to decide to operate on her, but thankfully they eventually did, and she ended up being in the hospital for several months, but she survived. But the important thing about this was it was meant to terrorize the Taiwanese, but instead it backfired on the government because they were very enraged. The Taiwanese were very enraged that someone would go and murder innocent little six-year-old girls and an innocent grandmother because of, just because the dad was like speaking out for human rights and things like that. So because of this, God used it for good, and people started speaking up despite

18:13the terror and different peaceful political movements followed. And eventually in 2000s, Taiwan was able to elect the first pro-Taiwan president, and it was the first peaceful transfer power from Chen Kai-shek's party to a pro-Taiwan party. Yeah, so that's kind of how my family was involved in this whole situation. And we're very thankful now that Taiwan is its own independent country, despite some of the aggression from China. And another detail I wanted to end on was that the Taiwan Presbyterian Church during this time was one of the few organizations that was willing to associate themselves with my mom's family because people were so scared to like associate with them in case their family was murdered or their family was something happened to their family. So I think my mom said that some Christians came to the hospital when she was getting

19:16operated on and like prayed for her, which is very sweet. And also she and my grandmother who were the only ones left besides my grandfather who was in jail, they needed, they wanted to go to America basically to flee there to get out of the whole political situation. And while my grandfather was still in jail and they didn't have any funds to do so and the only people that would give them the like give them the funds to do so and purchase their house in Taiwan. So they could do that was the Taiwan Presbyterian Church because nobody wanted to purchase a murder site. So the Taiwan Presbyterian Church purchased their house the murder site and because of that they were able to have money to flee to America and start a new life there. And yeah. And what happened to your grandfather? So he eventually was let out of jail. I guess it was I forgot the exact date. It was sometime when my mom was in high school. Yeah. And for while he was in America but now

20:23we've all moved back to Taiwan and yeah he was like he's still very active politically involved in like the nuclear power plant situation and where this was a more recent thing but the government was trying to set up a nuclear power plant on Taiwan, which is one of the stupidest things ever because Taiwan has frequent earthquakes and literally it could create like a nuclear mass issue if some earthquake like messed it up or something. So he did like a peaceful fasting protest where he fasted for a very long time and finally the government gave in. So he's still very active. He has been very active in the political sphere but again like the whole all these things are focused on being peaceful protests like Gandhi or Martin with the

21:23King Junior etc. So that's kind of the what the Taiwanese people are attempting to do against this. So yeah. Wow that is such an incredible story. And that's like just crazy to think how recent it was too. Yeah. Yeah I was looking at dates recently and I knew it was recent but I was looking at dates just to refresh my memory for this podcast and I was like whoa that was only like 40 years ago. So yeah but a lot can change in 40 years and we're very thankful for the changes that have happened so far. And so did you grow up learning these stories or how did you who told you and like how did you learn all this? Well because it was so recent I kind of like grew up knowing about it a lot immediately. My mom used to do some like she would do some

22:26interviews with TV stations sometimes when I was young and my grandfather has always been very politically present when I was young so I was always aware of this. Every year we do a 228 memorial at the church that was built in the house that was the murder site. So we'd go there and then we go up to the graves site and like lots of people would be there, lots of reporters would be there. Yeah so I was always aware of this. But a lot of Taiwanese actually I've not learned much about this so yeah. Oh wow yeah because there's a lot of propaganda in the school during the martial law time and people were for example forced to speak. Chinese instead of Taiwanese or and they were also like forced to you know hail the dictator as this wonderful person etc so yeah the younger generations unless their parents were very active in telling them about these

23:27issues a lot of them hear about it later in life. Yeah well we're sharing the story now. Yeah I highly doubt any Americans have heard of it either way. Yeah but yeah well Lily what about you? Yeah well so the reason I asked like if you knew the story is growing up is because my so I will be talking about my mom's parents so the Korean grandparents my grandfather passed away from cancer before I was born. So I've only really had my harmony my Korean grandmother who has the story of her life and her husband's life but she almost never talked about her family or her history and just her early life at least the hard parts of it growing up. And so I would she would sometimes tell me like happy memories from her childhood but in general it wasn't a lot

24:32of like the stereotypical grandparents that you on their knee tell them tell you about their life like it would definitely never really even thought about her really life. And then I would learn some stories that my mom would tell me and then my dad also is very interested in history so maybe 10 years ago he was trying to gather a lot of bits and pieces from her story and kind of trying to compile that into a document because for his dad or the family he has like a giant binder of like the Rasmussen family history that he'd like read to us as a bedtime story. So his like Norwegian side is very well documented but yeah my hominese story is very like kind of scattered hurt my aunt who speaks Korean knows more of it just because they could speak to each other in Korean but especially in the more recent years she just I mean time has also healed a lot of things and kind of healed over a lot of memories that she's wanted to forget but it's just kind of

25:37not as clear of a story so yeah I was trying to compile it this morning from different different things but yeah I'll talk talk about my hominese she's like the cutest like sweetest little lady ever when Patrick met her on FaceTime when we got engaged I've never seen him more charmed wait can I say this more charmed by a woman that sounds bad he was like as hard he was just so like touch it was like a five minute call because she's super polite she like thanks for she's wasting our time when we call her so joyful she's like claps her hands and like we'll laugh and smile loudly very Korean big emotions and like she'll cry every time we leave if you watch a k-drama like it's so accurate the amount of crying and laughing and yelling it's like that's just Koreans food is her love language I gain like five pounds every time I

26:42visit her it's painful the amount I have to eat but yeah so yeah her story is a little ambiguous because yeah she lived through well she was kind of born around the time of the Great Depression and the Japanese occupation and then lived through World War II and then the Korean War and so there's been a lot she's been through and we actually don't even know her age because her first certificate was lost during the other wow so that's crazy there's like three different ages she could be because there's like the Korean age which like they calculate a little differently uh-huh and then her like real biological age and then like her American documents age and anyways um but yeah this I'll tell you what I have um so she grew up in a town called Kissong which is like a town just barely north and passed the border in North Korea which it was just Korea back then um just

27:47above the 38th parallel and she lived she was very close with her grandparents who owned a noodle shop there oh I would always hear about this noodle shop and it was very like whoa that sounds were really good um and so but yeah this was during I guess towards the end of the Great Depression during the Japanese occupation so she had to go at school she had to speak Japanese and like have a Japanese name so like even from like her earliest moments in life her identity as a Korean was already kind of compromised like that was already not even quite there um and she had three sisters I think maybe four and one brother um and her brother went to he was the oldest I think and my home and he was the youngest so I think around world war two um he was at college

28:48at Seoul National University and Seoul is like the big city um that's in South Korea but it's like right next to the border um and he was studying something with science and so he was hired by like the government scientific institute that later became the nuclear commission so like a lot of government kind of war stuff like super secret things um and yeah so after world war two the Soviets were occupying north of the 38th parallel and the American soldiers were in the south part and that's kind of the division that ended up with north and south Korea because after world war two um the Korean War broke out and so yeah you know it's like you know it's basically when you split a country in half you know communists and then the Americans like that's yeah not great especially when it's neither of their countries so um and so my harmonies older brother who was working for

29:54the government was kidnapped by the North Koreans and um I don't know if like yeah there's not much information on that he was never seen again so yeah it's suspected he was he had valuable information to help the North Koreans and their war effort um and so at this time my Hun money and her family were actually in Seoul they had moved past the border thankfully so they weren't like shut in when the war started um but they had to evacuate from Seoul because that was very close to the border and throughout the Korean War it's like the Americans pushed up and then China sent over a bunch of soldiers and like pushed them back down and took Seoul so it was like you didn't want to be anywhere near the border during that time and so one of I think my aunt had this written down that her family had to evacuate like on foot like carrying like a bag of rice that her mom

30:55would like wash in the stream and like cook over a fire and they'd sleep in barns cow barns on the hay it just sounds like a totally different world this is like 1950 um and so they I think they tried to go back to Seoul and then the Chinese soldiers were coming in um so they went down to a further southern city and stayed there for the next three years the war lasted three years um and they got to that city riding on a truck sitting on top of boxes all so it's just like yeah it's just crazy to think that that was her life and yeah um yeah her brother was missing so it was just her and her sisters and her mom and I think her mom passed away at some point during this time too um and so after the war was over she went back to Seoul and went to college there imagine going to college after all that um and she studied voice and um yeah and so

32:01that I think I guys this is a little hard to know but I think that's where she met my grandfather like that period of time after the war okay so meanwhile my grandfather was born and raised in like I don't know the city but it's it was slightly more kind of um more in North Korea more firmly in there because he had like a stronger North Korean accent mm-hmm um and my mom says that I'm like him because I leave my socks everywhere and I like Nang Nang and tofu which apparently he did all those things um so yeah he he was he had a fun personality um okay and so one account says at the start of the war he fled south

33:01because before the rest of his family did because he was being persecuted for being a Christian and then another account says uh the start of the war like one Sunday they were coming home from church and they passed by the train station and like everyone was like pushing and shoving to get on the train and his mom just grabbed him and his younger sister and like put them on the train and they were still like in their choir robes and everything from church and yeah so then that was the last either either story is that he and somehow his little sister made it out um for the rest of his family didn't um and so yeah he never never went back um to North Korea and his some relative or friend said like the last they saw of his hometown they had seen like his mother's corpse like somewhere there so like they they made it out just in time

34:03sounds like um and so then he made it across the border once he was in South Korea he joined the South Korean army and started fighting and then at some point he got like a wound in his arm or both of his arms and that got infected really badly as so they like swelled up and the doctors were like we're gonna have to amputate your arms which is like really unfortunate because my grandpa wanted to become a doctor and like a surgeon and so he was like no you can't be able to do my arms like you're not doing that and so they were just like like they were just like what they kind of follow him around and like wait for him to fall asleep and they were gonna do this surgery once he fell asleep because they're like this is the only way you're gonna survive that's crazy and so he like stayed up just for like as long as he could I don't know how many days it was or how long it was

35:05but okay and also like I don't know how true this story is I've heard it multiple times in different people but apparently he fell asleep somehow and he ended up like falling down flight of stairs and when he fell his arms which were all swollen like kind of burst and like all the infection came out okay and then he didn't have to get his arms amputated wow okay that's crazy which is like yeah I don't know if like they couldn't land his arm earlier and I don't like I don't know how that happened but okay um it's kind of like a miracle story at least God's providence yeah God's providence like okay I'm gonna make you fall down a flight of stairs and you don't have to get your arms amputated yeah um and so he got discharged from fighting because his arms didn't really I guess yeah because of the injury um and then I think the war ended soon after that and then he went to Seoul National University to study medicine

36:10his uncle who was like an artillery officer funded his college tuition I think that's where he met my hominy but they might have met before the war actually I don't know I don't know the timeline of that then my grandfather went to America to get his PhD and MD and he would write letters to hominy every day so cute um and then eventually she came over there they got married and had my mom and had the rest of her siblings which were mom the oldest yeah and then they moved to Canada where he was a professor um so yeah kind of crazy stories so my mom was then like raised by two parents who had just kind of wanted to leave everything well not wanted to leave everything behind but had to leave everything behind my hominy had to leave her grandparents and

37:10the noodle shop like that was in North Korea when she left and my grandfather had to leave his family behind and there was just no way at the end of the way like you can't go back so their hometowns were off limits um and a lot of their families were kind of torn apart you know some made it to South Korea some didn't um and yeah so there was just a lot of hardship there um and so for my mom growing up it wasn't necessarily like oh we need to you know I need to teach you all about my Korean heritage and yeah you know give you all these traditions um so instead of teaching my mom Korean they made her teach them English because they wanted to be more like self-sufficient um they wanted to be able to like when their kids moved out they wanted to be able to talk to their doctors and insurance and figure all that out on their own and just kind of assimilate into Western culture um so yeah but they were both they were both Christians and I think that's

38:17what often held their family together is just their identity in Christ um not having a country or a family necessarily to be able to depend on um and just through all of that turmoil trying to you know get out and start a fresh somewhere else so yeah yeah my mom definitely yeah she's very American and she's very American and like uh her behavior a lot of it um but she definitely has you know certain things she just picked up from having Korean parents and like the food obviously the food love language has definitely been passed down through the generations um so yeah it's it's kind of crazy that like even just preparing it this morning I was like I can't believe there's stories like this because you know my how many just never talked about it and I yeah and both your story and my story like

39:22in the end the reason why we have such joyful grandparents or in my case I have a very joyful grandmother and a very joyful mom is that they find their identity in Christ and like my mom said when she was little um she like would stay up late at night when she heard about her which was a lot later than it happened because they kept not telling her what when she heard about her sisters and her grandmother being murdered she would like stay up at night and try to memorize the the murderer's face and like try to sew that in the future she could seek revenge on him um but like when she became a Christian and she also like vowed to never cry anymore um um and then um when she became a Christian she would just start tearing up whenever she shared her story and she no longer like wanted to like go kill the murderer or anything like that of her own accord like she was no longer fixated on that but she was fixated on Christ at that yeah yeah yeah it's amazing how joyful they could be with such backgrounds definitely yeah and just

40:29yeah you kind of have to just make a decision when you've gone through hardship of that kind because you could make you lose faith in humanity and lose faith in the world um but you're not supposed to have faith in those things anyways yeah so yeah it yeah it's really cool to hear those stories and I feel so privileged now just to like I don't know it sounds sounds like a it sounds so distant you know yeah like so far away um time-wise but also like yeah just I've never experienced anything like that yeah well those are very serious stories where this podcast um yeah we'll definitely get back to the the more funny things next time yeah but yeah we just wanted to share these at some point um we thought these were important to share yeah and it's it's just kind of a

41:29a way to respect the previous generations and learn from them um yeah get get some history in there yeah like I've gotten the dates down I don't know the different wars are overlapping but yeah it's also interesting to think about how um our stories slightly cross over too yes with like the Korean War yeah Japanese occupation yes and just the influence of you know all these different types of governments fighting over these people groups and lands and things so yeah yeah yeah well that was um that was really like a very you know learning moments for me to hear all these stories because probably I probably heard here and there but I've never like sit down and fully like grabs that everything that your families have been through and I feel like a lot of family you know although those stories are not shared these are all family that are impacted by wars and you know um and it's just very like you know I opening so yeah yeah so anyways yeah well

42:40thank you guys for listening no thank you for sharing good times yeah um yeah we'll be back next week with some hot takes yes probably a big new change yeah um yeah and tonight this is a weird thing to say now that we've just shared these stories but tonight make sure you go and enjoy some good food with your friends your family and your family yeah and like we encourage you to go you know talk to your grandparents about their stories and um also dive in a history that more see what happened in the past and how that has affected our lives today so yep all right well we'll see you next week bye

43:47you I love you baby, and if it's quite alright, I need you baby, when it's so late night, I'll do baby. When I say hello. Kino, I'm just remembering to talk in your mic. Hello! Hello! Kino, I'm always adjusting you up. Yeah. I was like one of the most fluid ones. Like how do I... That's because we brought things all down this morning. I was like reading word for word. I was like, this is what happened. Yeah. I was just like, I know. Get the m-