Rapid Fire, Ravens Shenanigans, ABS and the On-Screen Strike Box, Expectations for Verlander and Scherzer, AL West Preview

0:00A A A Now the La Lonnagares. Another weak Tab here The Lonnagagging Sports, signed, Ryualengal was smart the button, and Matthew Erby Smyntex was a little lost highway from Vaughn Jovy. I swear that's not it's not a dig at the Ravens medical staff That's really more about me because I've still got this time-change brain So I'm just get that out there now like if I'm a little behind on something or if I say something weird, it's time-change brain I You know, I don't normally enjoy trends like that, but that's a good one. I enjoyed that one

1:00Some people had some good responses of what they were doing in the hour that was lost Why is that thought so anyway? Erby how about you? How you doing with the time-change? I Fine, you know I've had a busy day Sunday and then I stayed up too late Saturday knowing I had a busy day and in the middle of it lost an hour So you know what whatever Still dealing with it because that's what we do in your forties. You're still dealing with it three days later Well our Our government has six months to figure out how to not do this time-change crap anymore Before the next one comes up. So stop shooting it like the baseball CBA I block it on it. They've been staying that too long. No one's ever gonna come on Lost hope there Well lost hope lost highway same thing all right. Well Samantha you want to kick us off with a little rapid fire Sure, this is a world-based law-plot

2:01Oh boy Anyway, so there's there's only seven of these I think it's a slow mix. So let's get into it. You have seven questions You guys will have the opportunity to come back and explain one of your answers. So let's start off with the big fish TV USA time to panic Well Let's see they struggled against Great Britain and lost Italy. I'd say yeah, that's time to panic Harvey And your manager doesn't even know if you're in or not. Yes Nobody knows if you're in or not That's true Is ridiculous and makes the opposite of sense. So but the problem is the manager doesn't know a lot of things So that's it And also you had to start the pictures and one of them had enough to decide who was going home. So speaking of Left for tiger scamp

3:03I mean What do we think about this because people are gonna get all fussed about this Like well, what do we think? You know, I I think if you go back to when the wbc first became a thing I think we all thought the same thing. Well, why are you doing in spring training when pictures are ramping up for their season? This is this is why we said that right like I I'm sorry the guys he's got a season to get ready for. It's his walk here He wants a big year so we can get a big contract Who gives a damn about the wbc right now with with that if you're treating scuba. Why would you care? You shouldn't I Yeah recall if this this man just had to to fight in the most embarrassing situation possible just to get paid fairly and so it's like complete our free base ball tournament where you might get hurt your walk here to know um Let me show back up the tiger scamp it looks probably made it to that your back and a little from the bird I'm not here for y'all I am well that is out of here

4:06That is the other thing. It's like because you're like well It's his allegiance to the tigers because the tigers were not great for him And I was like yeah, but he probably still feels some loyalty to his teammates in the fans there But like mostly it's like I don't know man. I don't want to get paid too Like the last thing you want to do is get hurt after your own team tried to f you over No, thanks way teams i team scuba here team scuba absolutely So do you guys saw the same thing for me you make wins this this whole debacle fiasco whatever we're calling this thing uh Remind me did did i pick Dominican Republic because if not i'm changing it Thanks Pick i did i don't know i think you did um Well, okay, I'll tell you what i will say this i think the Dominican's are going to win this thing So if i said something different earlier i'm changing it Okay, I'll be what about you I'm sticking with Japan and i'm bandwagon them playing italy

5:06Oh I might be rooting for it only now um But Yeah, I picked a pan and i don't know if we're good about that. Um, yeah, and i have to worry about it I don't feel wonderful that i feel better than the people who picked team us. I should feel but i don't feel great about it um All right, so Anybody have any thoughts on the rice hardwood quote no offense. It's not being increased Um I heard he said something, but i don't know the exact quote. Do you have that? Yeah, he said no offense. It's nothing limits Oh, that was the quote. Okay. Um, yeah, and i know i i i I had no issues with that whatsoever. I think he's right Well, he is a I as a huge Olympics fan. I love it. Yeah, I think that's serious Well, and i think he was sort of

6:07However, perhaps unintentionally making a very valid point, which is like Yeah, it makes sense seriously Outside of like the people who are in this thing. So Okay Italy team Italy Dog out celebration is Fresno machine. Everyone is required after we come on to take a shot of espresso and then Vinnie gives them the pieces or i guess i should say the botchi because this is Italy not France, but yeah, they get the botchi um So how are we feeling about this? Absolutely love it. Uh, I When i i'm afraid of though is that now that the Italians have beaten the Americans that they're going to classify it as a performance enhancing drug Little concerned about that. Yeah, the kisses the espresso Erie All right, the this is gonna show up in Kansas City. Uh, you got jack and Vinnie both on this Italian team This is gonna show up. So I guess this will be Kansas City's way of uh of combating Cleveland changing the win

7:10I Or the kiss Friday espresso is fun. You think it's a new to this person. Yeah, it's the new to the botchi. Uh, could be a badgy Either one anyway delightful delightful breakout celebration very creative very On-premise for the whole We know you idiots don't know anything about Italy, but we bet you've heard of espresso So good job on that too I Fear for how that will be interpreted When the royals get ahold of it someone hasn't been getting there's brilliant and we love him at threat late The rest of the royals organization collectively. I do not have that kind of faith in um, okay, so Yeah, take me so this started last week with Australia when the Australian casualities to shake hands because apparently he felt that that was on Competitive and then it got worse because then Cal Wally refused to shake hands with Randy or Rosalina

8:16They're on the same team folks So there are different teams in the fake thing that doesn't count that nobody gets paid for it the last two weeks But they're on the same team, but apparently some people are taking this so deadly seriously This is now a problem and by the way the direct quote Can I am I like to do a big swear because it's a direct quote. Yes So Randy said quote let me give it to you straight Cuban style stock off Okay, you know what I agree I agree like this is ridiculous You can't shake hands with your own teammate. What is wrong with you? Yeah I mean Yes, no, it is it's absolutely insane. I don't know how serious it is. That's that's what's crazy like I don't know how serious

9:17Is this a real beef or they just trash talking right now and they'll be fine at the start of the season like I I truly don't know Which it's been to you as because Randy sure seems mad and Cal was like there's no beef I still talk about I know the person who caused the problem always says that yeah, like I did something terrible But we don't have a problem like it's really not up to you my man. Yeah, I think like come on Cal grow the grow up I think that would be what I would say grow up. I agree. I agree Like I mean, this is like when you spend when you're like eight on your little league team And you're like yo, let's all spit on our hands before we shake, right? That's exactly what it is. This is some little league garnish I agree Well as the you know Mariners being the team to beat in the West and being a ranger fan. I'm loving this. Please be real Please be bad. Please make it toxic. I don't think it's that big of a deal I see the only thing that the lingering that would be curious is what cell said apparently he told Brandia ahead of time

10:22Don't do it man. Don't put me in that spot And there we go still still now see no that's that's that's what I'm saying. Okay I'm gonna do this and I don't want any flack for it That's how the show works. I think there's something really pathetic about being like I can't shake hands with the other team That's stupid. Like this is just reasonable sportsmanship Like you can look that guy right in the face and say I hate you. I'm gonna kill you and shake your hand and say Have a great game good luck Like it's just weird behavior. We would never ever tolerate this in major league baseball And now you're what you do think you're being patriotic. It's weird Like it was first inning right? This was right off the bat. So this wasn't like eighth inning close game type issue or anything Well, no, it's not like one of them got hit by a pitch five years ago It wasn't the beginning of the game like you just did Like I Wow, you got a lot riding on this team that you're not actually on because it

11:26Exists some of these for two weeks But yeah, it seems really important compared to what you're playing at 62 days for you I lost a lot of respect for Cal Rally in this equation. Yeah, somebody who I respected to mend this late before this X man wow It's not like it's the Olympics. You know there. We're not shaking him Look And well speaking of people losing respect for time. This is this not real baseball classic But we could be touched on them, you know, if they had to brought us saying that phrase harbor is no longer me, which is a tight um and Be made it true Um, I don't know that I've been like encouraged by what I saw in the world baseball classic from very soccer. What's he saying? Yeah, I think I think you nailed it right there like it's petty, but it didn't need to be said Maybe true

12:34Yeah, the petty the petty part is saying it right like it may be I agree like I do think it's true But the petty part for me is you voiced that out loud instead of keeping that inside Like you voiced it to a reporter or with a reporter in the area. I don't have this actually happened Right, but like you voiced this so people would hear it Yeah, I agree and what is the point when you get out of that right like a pissed off rice armor looking for a contact Extensive sex in this agent. He's no longer worth a leap like we're not gonna pay that Like you went out and said this publicly like what what was your agenda here? Like it's I don't know I mean, it's hard for me to be dealt with in the past with blood from your body and it's so few weeks But like still very heavy, right? Yes, hey, oh, yes, absolutely no Nothing good coming from this No, how does this help anyone? Literally anyone I tied from the braves and the meds

13:35The braves said that's a mystic ideal just the meds that's optimistic too I Like can I just take brace harper with half his blood and I'll keep over Like whatever it is. It's going to be false No, I don't think so not for me Yeah, I think we did good enough on the the shaking of non-hands Okay, well They let's talk and this is I just wanted to touch on this quickly because we we talked a lot about the ABS I mean, what's that's going to be in the the challenge systems that we're gonna have for balls and strikes But one of the concept points is that this and I think mostly we we all kind of agree This is the thing and then we want this right then we want the ABS challenge system Yeah, yes, yes, literally yes, okay, so we definitely want this right that there and so this is a minor complaint

14:41I think in the grand scheme of things But it is I think worth touching on Partly because of why they had to do it and also because this you know It does affect the viewer experience So we want to talk about it is one of the things that's going to go way as a consequence This is we're no longer going to get the on-screen Strike box So that thing so it's going to be more like when you watch games like you know here You're a if you're our age when you were a little kid right where you just you know It's you and that up and in your your own eyeballs. You're not going to get the fox Telling you where that strike zone has so you know Okay, we can adjust that to this. I I guess the reason that I am like perhaps I am being petty years This is your person I suppose I am being a bit petty in the sense that like the reason this is being taken away It's because they don't then somebody will sit there and watch that live feed and then you say basically There So like that they're it will be exploited. That's why we're taking this away

15:43So thank you Houston Astros we don't I mean, that's really all I wanted to say about the sound of you guys having the thoughts on this you know Yeah, it's not the end of the world but it doesn't wait you that we are losing this mostly because of why Yeah, it's you know, it's I've been kind of struggling with this because on the one hand I mean, we have the ABS challenge now. So those close calls are going to or likely to get reviewed I think the I think that baseball has a bigger problem when you're going to have a series of calls That are by like one thirty second of an inch Like we're like there's no way the human eye could actually pick up that it is in fact on the plater off the plate I think that's a bigger problem than what they're trying to solve for here Will adjust we'll get used to it, but I wonder if there was other ways they could have accomplished the same goal

16:44Yeah, I mean, well, I think that's a valid point, you know, but like this is maybe Not the way that you achieve this and also like I understand the fear of the you know the exploitation of the side people who are Acting questionable for in the way that they strategize to their team But also I'm failing to understand how it is So that's that's maybe a thing especially especially real time right like Are the are they pumping the broadcast into the dugout are they pumping the broadcast into the clubhouse for the front office That seems like it can be pretty easy to fix you just don't let that happen Well, and that's the whole problem, right? It's like why is this why is this an issue Because really you shouldn't be able to do that And it's exactly how people still find yeah, right? That's what I'm trying to sign stealing which would be far more effective Then I don't know be able to predict what the ABS is doing yeah, because it's an 80% like you shouldn't be able to get a lot of speed Anyway, I think we've done so that this is something that certain people can't control so nobody's a lot to have it

17:51So what I don't really understand what the claim of this is on top of that Um or be with whatever your thoughts I never a fan of losing technology in a broadcast I that is one thing that I do love the air that we're in now. It's just so much information I Yes, there can be too much you can consume too much But if you know what you're consuming and why it's important There's some really good stuff and I don't love losing things like that I To add that you mean you guys are right like this is where we're at because it won't be hard to you know I've had A phone just sitting there right outside view in the clubhouse. He's got the broadcast on And you can zoom it in and watch the whole time for real time quick quick answers on that. So Yes, because of the because of that we were going to lose this on the broadcast and I but I'm gonna do some of that it'll be a Daniel I miss that and then move on because I think we all grew up

18:52Without it. So for our generations. I guess this just kind of goes back to that works down that depends on paper Well, and the other thing I'm running about too is that I don't know how they're gonna handle this is like What do you do about gamecast, right? Because like I don't know about you guys But I kind of like to pull up gamecast ball and watching the game on like a second screen So I can see what the pitches are landing So is that gonna be gone too? So we're no longer in the ceiling for green ball and the rainbow for like a ball and a strike on the cast No, I'm so gone because I kind of like that. It's like a second screen thing I bet they just push out I bet there's an added delay You don't have to add a delay But that's gonna render it useless Then hang on there. No, no, I understand wait the purpose that you're using it for. Yeah, it's almost useless You're gonna have two pitches behind they don't have to add a delay. There's already a delay Well, that's exactly it's already behind it's way behind More behind like I'm sorry really nobody is stealing that information real-time off gamecast

19:57It's like two pitches behind So like I'm really really gonna take that away from us like I don't know what you could do with it But I don't know again petty right like I'm being petty now But like also like I think it's stupid and I'm still mad at the people who make some think about things like this So, you know that makes me do that matter, but like mostly I just think it's dumb Um, I'm not sure Yeah, it's I don't know there's gonna be some adjustments right like wait. We're all gonna have to get used to this stuff. This feels particularly Not needed Yeah to me right I said it's unnecessary You can make you can tell me your arguments for you all you want to baseball You can say you're in screaming about this all you want to I'm still gonna look at you be like You didn't push the Astros for literally cheating Now you're gonna punish all of us because you think people are gonna cheat

20:58The kiss my ass And this is like the 10,000 instance of that yeah, all the things where we've all been punished because you've got to punish the Astros Yeah, like that's ridiculous Also, I think I think that they say well, we don't want anyone taking advantage and that's why we're doing this But I think the real reason you're doing it is because you're afraid we're all gonna get all of it because sometimes The robot is not going to align with the box and then people are gonna get upset And the robot's decision doesn't align with the decision being by the on-screen box Now, which of them is right who can say it but people are going to get upset at the robot and I think that the field is We're using the box so that They don't want us yelling at that about well on my screen it said it was a strike And your robot said it was a ball so your robot is garbage So I don't know. I think they're just trying to check the robot feelings

22:02I don't want to be about feelings together Well, let's to be fair. We are in the age of AI which Many movies in the 80s told us that was a bad time. So Maybe maybe they're afraid of the robot. I'm kind of afraid of the robot I'll be honest with you. I'm afraid of all robots He scares me less than other robots But you know it's a slippery slope right he might have friends more powerful friends types of robots that are hard. Yeah, yeah You know capable of exacting your advantage like what if he has friends in high places and I don't really know how the result works in that way But um, I don't want to take the chances Yep I agree Anything else on this before we get into the AL West Anybody

23:03No, no, erby I get baseball games and then it'll be easier to talk about it. It will be watching the games And it's true. I feel like I feel like we're gonna talk about this at least at least once if not twice in April It'll be fun All right, erby you're up Okay, well, let's head out west or kind of west the mostly west for baseball and That turn it's the AL West The American leg west very talked a little bit about that the uh the yellow handshake or the defending divisional champ Um, whether there's going to be drama or not. I don't know that there are first tea Here from you know What are over under it. I'll give that to them in a second, but our defending chance I look not a huge splash Off season either direction and your biggest loss really was parry forward In the trade going to Washington you brought in Brendan Donovan

24:08Okay I it's not about like I It just feels like when the ranger is fierce ago brought in since you chew kind of thing like Yeah, might work might be good. I don't know. Let's see. I The first one, you know, we talked about a little while ago Cal Raleigh 60 home runs 125 RBI 110 runs 948 OPS Is that doable again for Cal was this a was this a one in the none or is this a new Cal Raleigh like like can we have a repeat dumper what Uh, not at that level No I mean, is he going to hit 40 home runs yet? He's going to be at least in the 40s But he's not going to be we're not going to this isn't that was That was a little ridiculous wasn't it Samantha what he did last year It was there's a reason why it surprised everybody like I know. I don't think he can repeat that

25:11Well, yeah, I mean of course it's not beautiful Yeah, I'm just I'm not sure why you like cares like I don't Think that Seattle state is the end of the Cal Raleigh can have another legal season You don't think that's how it's going to work So not sure this is as big of a deal to anyone of them like maybe Cal Raleigh But yeah, no no Well, I agree with you guys. It's I mean sure you love having numbers like that But there's enough other at bats there um and some that should continue takes steps forward I don't know if the audience the answer Luke Rayley looking at them to continue a step forward We know the rotations there So with Seattle and the business prep before I get into where our number are on a number of wins The division kind of is under control I if anything you could say it is and in their control right now they have it by the horn Do you trust? I'm gonna go ahead and let you laugh

26:11Do you trust the Seattle Mariners To do this again when the division and and and what is the goal for this team like like what what Is it considered a good see is it a world series? They have to get there I think a lot came together for this team last year Then you're asking to come together again this year so no The answer is no In terms of expectations. Yeah, they're they're internal expectations and their fan base expects the next step which is quite literally the world series But again A lot of ifs have to go break your way like they did last year and that's not usually how baseball works Yeah Yeah, I'm not that impressed with this team and I think this is going to be at least our relatively competitive So you know like for me a good point a lot of stuff broke great for them I'm not saying they're not talented. I'm not saying you're going to be a bad team I also know that this team finds ways to lose that they're They find ways and and they're going to continue to do that and I don't know that they can have two seasons

27:16And well where they just like simultaneously stop doing that So I don't trust them It's not that I think they're going to be bad But do I think they're going to be this exceptional team again and that they're going to be able to do the top of the game You're no absolutely not and like They've never been to a world series like I'm sorry you guys like it's Deliverious the team is gonna run that one So how do you manage that right and we have seen far more talented Seattle teams in this one Yeah To very very specific slots. Mm-hmm did not manage any so I mean, no, my answer is no, it generalize Just to know that's a tough one Yeah, the the stars aligned last year and you weren't able to get it done. All right, well to make it even harder This 90 win team last year of this year Over under is 88 wins

28:17Hmm Hmm That's yeah See here's here's the thing I'm expecting this division to be tougher Better this is better better. I think it's gonna be a better division that it was last year Yeah, I agree right I think I think that the angels made some moves that the the ace made the ace have made some some moves like Yeah, yeah, I think the hard part is you're gonna lose a few more games to the angels in the a's than you did last year So Oh man 88 that they may have nailed it honestly because I don't think they're winning the West I'm not sure that the winning the West is gonna take more than say 92 Oh I want to take slightly under let's say 87

29:17Yeah, I guess I'm trying to make up my mind whether I can do in the West or not and they think if you think they were in the West you want to succeed Because I think like 89 or 90 probably Yeah, you know, and I think it's much more exciting for the division. I'm very getting to know where else would be better I don't think the Americans are going to be as good and I'm Quite frankly not so they were that great last year they were the stutter that we are I don't know So maybe I have I think they're So I'm gonna take like some fairly oh Like I'm talking 89 I am the exact same as used to me although they're right at that 89 and I love this found it all of us I mean, I don't want to say push and say 88 Yeah, we're all 123 like boom boom boom boom. Yeah, because it is right here of I I But I hear what you're saying. I agree with one of those two teams, but we'll get you know better. We'll get to that a little bit. Yeah

30:20Team here And you'll see what I do here in a little bit because there's two teams that have a tie and I'm gonna put Goodness over evil. We're gonna talk about the Texas Ranger next Okay, obviously, but it um Excuse me Some of my big shake up in Arlington after a somewhat of a disappointing team last year You had a rotation that would play off. I don't want to say worthy I don't like Santa because you didn't make it you had the talent And the numbers to make the playoffs from that rotation and the whole roster had October potential, but you weren't worthy of it because you didn't get the job done So simmians gone to doles has gone time has gone And the new faces include McKinsey Gore Brandon Nemo Danny Janssen I Well, I'll go with you first like this had to happen right like this this pepper show. Oh, yeah Yeah, look you look you had you won the world series two years ago. That's great fantastic

31:21The last two years the offense has been absolutely abysmal and it really bottomed out last year and a lot of it Was guys like a delis Garcia in the middle of that order swinging for the fence when a single would have been just fine yet and they had to make Some changes and they didn't have the money to do it so they had to trade some guys like a market simian for example um And I look it's Who they brought in isn't going to make the headlines But the offense is going to look different this year and I don't know if it's good different. It certainly can't be a lot worse than it was last year I've never in my life seen that from a ranger's team pitching that good and couldn't score a run to save their lives I've never seen that before so yeah absolutely had to make some changes Yeah, simmians think you went out on there or you you wait for the next question. I got a good name

32:21I hope to guide they fired their entire offensive copy staff You don't like the offensive coordinator. Oh said they did start the year with an offensive coordinator I don't have one this year They also started the year with Leo de Stavyrus in center field which was a abysmal situation So not have to deal with that this year you know that that by itself Even with winner lose is already better I don't have to least watch that That's true. That's true. So I will stick it on that that coaching side simmian I'll go with you on that Brand new skipper there skips you macher replaces Bruce Bochi who did wonderful things brought a world series detectives but What did what can skips you macher do that Bruce couldn't do Their managers

33:26Like no offense to skips you macher i think it's a perfectly capable manager But like he's got some big shoes to self and like We're going to get fired because he was a terrible at managing that that's not like that happens So if this team and again, I cannot emphasize this enough Whoever the hitting coordinator was whoever is in charge of that So whoever was managing that data to the office side I see Like because that Needed to change the manager Yeah, I need to shake off like both said it but like I Really going to sit down today like My airplane six six you macher is close to go So you're not gonna be able to come up again day There and it doesn't matter ultimately that's not the thing that's gonna make the difference here You know, and let's give two macher since that you see completely incapable of managing a bull can It's not going to make you take

34:28All right, so those rangers last year were the right at five hundred eighty one win theme And that is the number again this year eighty one win exact same number hmm I'm going to take the over I think it's eighty four Oh, that's an easy over I thought that number would be a lot higher. I think it's seen as I don't know how good they are but they're a lot that a lot too far expecting there's certainly better than the Authentic Yeah, yeah I think the good point there is The guys they brought in the Nemo Yeah, Nemo, Nemo. Thank you. Nemo. See he's new. He's new to me. Nemo. Nemo Finding Nemo, swimming everywhere. Nemo Yeah, Nemo Right, right, you're also relying on one josh myth. It's going to be a second base full time

35:31It looks like not just roving around so that that's got to be good for him But you're still leaning on some unproven players so That's why I'm cautious with my eighty four on this one I think But they easily easily if the if they hit with some of these young players again, you know you you guys know me in my ifs If you have too many ifs you're not a contender and I I don't think they are a contender with as many ifs in the offense But they could If they click Could be contenders, right? So and I'm not trying to hedge my bets I think 84 wins is a solid number for this squad, but they but they could they could take off I think that bit worse than that Clearly by virtue of the fact that a lot of this a lot of things the same to you and the odds that everyone will get hurt again is not That's true Yeah, more of that mojo

36:31There you go keep keep keep that that witchcraft of the lack of injuries. Thank you more of that more of that juju Thank you So I I think I'm the same. I'm not over. It's easy over for me When you compare it at the exact same numbers last year. Go to your point. I know the ifs Yeah, the ifs can be an issue, but that offense could not have been much worse last year. That's true. So It was bad. It was so bad If the rotation can stay healthy, I think you see even another step forward of jack lighter. Yeah, I can digore now And I don't know who the fifth is though. I'm over and I'm gonna give myself some pre

37:33Blood pressure medicine that I will need in September and I'm gonna say 88 wins one behind Seattle Man, why are you doing that to me? All right, Erby. I'm gonna put you on the hotspot here Hot spot you ready pop quiz hotshot September 1st is Kumar rocker the closer of this team Yeah Yeah, oh See I spent I was gonna ask if you wanted to answer that the hotshot was really Wanted so bad. Yeah, now I'm curious what your plans are for Kumar rocker. I'm curious Even guys Nope, there you go. Yeah, okay All right, so let's switch over to the other team. It's gonna be really easy to figure out what the number will be here in a little bit

38:34Those Astros down in Houston We said little splashes in Seattle there were nose flashes and in Houston this year um Tatsuya, you may He is the free agent from Japan Um, and then you had a k-way Kang the trade from Francisco. That's it Now wait a minute. Wait a minute now the propaganda machine in Houston swore to me in the first three days of spring training That the Astros had never seen anyone throw pitches like their import from Japan Yeah, that's true. They probably have never seen that before That is sensitive. They've never seen those human beings. So that is true. They've never seen that before It was it was actually like the first bull pit of like come on now really Well, and there's I mean you talk about the bull pit air being at the bullpen the rotation Pitching in general. That's that's where I want to go. It is Framber's gone like him love him hate him. We all hate him Um, I outside a hunter brown. Yeah, who you trust in here to to go five six innings for these guys

39:39Him a obvious Mike burrows But what's used to going to do with rotation here? It's a problem and I don't I don't think Smith. I don't think they actually understand how big what problem it is That rotation. I mean, yeah, you can start with the bullpen. I want to Josh Hayer's gonna start the year of the disableist I saw that today Right, we can talk about the bullpen the bullpen had its blow-ups last year. Even this really good You know franchise best ever bullpen that we were told they had going into last year It struggled the rotation struggle. That's why they didn't win the West the rotation got worse Yeah, I don't think anybody was really all that That bull can I know they say That's not so true You know in the end I was raised there too, but like Listen, like you said it's found okay. I don't tell Todd here

40:43Like imagine a kind of Edition by subtraction, but also he's still probably better than if he's like getting punched in your tether Then the people he went in there like sorry, I know that we want to see your evidence so I don't know I mean Well, and there you go there's exactly where I want to go with the next piece is considering where Seattle is considering what the ranger said and all that If you're Houston with with you know the financial decisions that have been made um in the past of extensions they haven't haven't done Do you push? Do you make a push to return to the postseason after a year absent? Or are they going to show some financial restraint and start focusing on developing this next core that's not all in place But kind of starting to become in place already Well, I think we've we've already heard that answer from Jim crane

41:45All right, he's he said he wants to he expects that the Astros will be Contenders every single year that they will not have a quote-unquote Rebuilt so if the Astros are within 10 games of a playoff spot come Comes to lie. Yeah, they're going to add payroll Well, I just think that like now yeah, like you look like you're in a leave of you are a lot of pieces away from Continuing to that vision because you're probably not going to be as well You're you're a number of pieces away from competing now Why you felt you need to tear down on the tip is what he uses By the day right man Like yeah, I understand why you didn't say that for a cheat. Oh, but like there's there were a number of people that they allowed to law But that you said like yeah, I think this is a different type of an equal like why did you not? That doesn't make any sense to me So competitive team and you would be again now that this division is not that

42:47So there there are a number of decisions that they made where I think they got And they thought the tail And still I'm on to this and You know other teams often have something to say about that Mm-hmm and yeah, I probably both of them aren't yet So I'm not super sympathetic to this kind of sort of we're going to be a little bit cheap But still act like we're contender maybe just now you're out of it. It's a decision. It's where you don't want to make sense Yeah Yeah, and close for them is 10 games out of a wild cards pop it I've got I've got a I've got a pop quiz for you. You ready for this pop quiz hot shot. You ready? Yeah, all right July 31st Or sooner trade death. I would say trade deadline if they're out of it. Do they trade Carlos Correa No Okay, no one no one

43:55Yeah, you know, I don't think he's gonna have a value You know, I mean, I I asked that not not not out to Vay or any other guys on the roster because clearly for them Correa has always been expendable Right, so they let them walk to the twins when they easily could have matched with the twins made him right They let him play a minister for a couple of years. They trade to bring him back Clearly, that's the one guy on the roster. They have no problems parting with So no career is like that girl who keeps going back is like it's a guy who like gets bored and stops calling And it's like after he does it two three times. You should probably stop taking his calls and craze it No, no, no, you can't. I'm here. I'll come back It was there's probably not Thank you for that though a minute ago too too much pay too little ankle Oh All right, so the Astros second in the division last year 87 wins this year that same number is Texas 81

45:00Under Ooh sub five hundred team Yeah Fairly I'm thinking 80 I think they're game under I guess I'm serious concerns about that rotation serious concerns No, and that's a really good point of of this number drop. I'm the same as you Samantha I'm I just can't see them as a sub five hundred team. I hope I'm wrong So I will be over I don't think they will compete the whole season with Seattle and Texas and I love them being in that middle ground where it's like yeah, you're you just keep going this cheap this cheap rebuild Um and burn away the core years of some of the players Thank you. Appreciate you All right number four on this list The homeless athletics Or I don't know where they're at. They're not with the peril cats. It's all we know. I like that they're fourth though

46:01It makes a spot for yeah, yeah, okay, they were fourth last year too though. I know so So swan this team Make some noise here. They're only five games under 500 last year. They were only 14 games out of first place Which I know in the world that's a lot but leave them less to prove like that's really not yeah Yeah That's true. That's true. Listen This you can say this is bold. It is bold I think the A's finish ahead of Houston I've seen this movie before I've seen this from the A's before right they have their Wow, yeah, oh, hey, they're not as bad as we thought and the next thing you know they're winning 90 games. I'm not saying they're gonna get that far But I do think there are 510 Which in my prediction already would put them ahead of Houston. So I don't think it's that bold But maybe it is I

47:03Will get the over under I don't think it's shuffled up. I think you're on to something here You look at this core that they built up and an extended some of it. Rooker. Yeah. Yep. Yeah Otterstrom Langaleers Jacob Wilson I think that That's a solid offense to build around. It's weird seeing um Offends before pitching in the athletics don't usually see it that way But that makes me think that they will find something there with pitching That's Rotation bulletin everything all nine innings of every single game. Like there's the question mark. Yeah, that will sit there with athletics and I I'll turn it to you on that of is that too big of a question mark for them to keep moving forward The issue these games consistencies with the pitching rotation and bulletin Oh What's the goal? Like in two inches for what? Depending I rotation rotation. I giving you a star. What is the best way that you want it to meet here?

48:11Are they doing consistent to do what finished third when 70 games or 80 games like what is that I don't understand Okay The 76 win team last year you're right there being able to compete Is that rotation too inconsistent to really compete with the rest of the a.l.s No, this isn't not very good like they said like I think the agar first I ain't worth saying because I would group So I think it's fine, but they have been in their parks and they're honored to be in it So I will not be rooting for that. But they have fun team. It's too bad You know, I mean, I think yeah, the numbers are gonna be awful to the pitchers particularly because Look at the park. Maybe that's what you have to point. That's good point No, so but they haven't been pretty tired about getting the kind of peers You can also benefit some of that. So that's something I mean the problem is is you know, you kind of like the city part like it We have to love the other team if they're too So you know that I mean have to be very thrilled

49:12But yeah, I mean This is not a competitive team But I think that they can create a lot of problems for the competitive teams It has to play them They are definitely good at creating problems and I agree with y'all on the offensive I think there is enough that they can create problems Yeah, it's a big question mark on you have a can that be the difference Go ahead who has more question marks in the rotation the a's or the asterisks on his honest question The the the a the asterisks do have hunter breath. They got the a's right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's fair That's fair, but I don't think the gap is that big, but it's a good question I think the fact that you're even asking that question considering one of those roads Yeah, we're up a few years ago right a couple years ago. Yeah, that's it's not that big of a gap So we'll see we'll see maybe I've got egg on my face The end of the season. No, no, no, it's possible certainly probably more than possible. It's likely but you know

50:12The maize man. We've seen this before or be the both of us. We've seen this I know how this movie ends That leads into this part here. You said not a big gap The over under for the a's this year 80 80 Wow wow wow Well, look our arey said that I think they're going to finish ahead of the Houston who I said had 80 wins In my prediction. So I'm going to go 82 For the a's 82 wins 82 and 80 So man, what you got? Well, I think this team is going to be first key like they said But I have to make me under because we are giving up to many wins So somebody has to talk these games and That's not math ain't guys like somebody has to use these names

51:15That's a good point So you're good on it because you get a lot of unders with the central so you're still good you're good on your I I too am the same. I'm an under 76 last season that seems like a number. I'd sure Well, we'll we'll we'll add to that equation and say that you get to 78 wins I've never tasted this too much for me um To really take care of this division All right, well, but pesky I frisky pesky of a thorn on the side. Yes, they absolutely will be and that's what they do They will have series is like that where they will probably sweep the Rangers in a three take three or four from Seattle And then they'll get you know, then that's going to be a two-week period where they win one game. That's what they do Well, if I if I'm wearing egg on my face at the end of the year the pharaoh cats come look it off my face There you go Fine all right, well speaking of you know disappearing for times um the lost angel of angels enter the post-rendome era

52:24Now I don't know the like like now that like he's like not even going to be in the clubhouse at all At any point during the the like spring training or the season that that by itself. I think that's them five wins But Anthony Regan has been in the close Anthony Regan Rosses before Science okay Jay he signed the contract I have evolved past myself Oh, well, I Give the looks here like Taylor Ward is gone. It was brought grace and Rodriguez back or Back and they've ever been there for In the return in that trade they got gritties and Rodriguez Curious about that you mentioned the pitching bow a little bit. I Kikuchi. Oh, they story. I don't know that mirrors Rodriguez. I Sure, that's a step forward The offense is going to go through a hoppy and netto

53:24I yeah, I want to go to you bow because you said it for you think these guys take a step forward. I don't see it So try to convince me. Well, it's not really about convincing I do like what they have done with that rotation They're gonna have to win a lot of games three to one But I like what they did with that rotation like I'm not expecting much from the angels issue. What was a win total last year? 72 72 wins. Okay. I do think they grow a little bit on that Not much but a little bit on that They're at least I don't know the they spent the offseason action like they weren't a dead fish Like they have in previous off seasons so Yeah, I think I think they're going to be just a little bit better not a lot I'm not saying they're gonna they're gonna compete for anything outside of fifth place because they're not They're not I don't think they're competing with the a's for fourth certainly not competing with Houston and

54:28Texas and Seattle So they're not gonna be over the top better, but I think they're gonna be a little better I think they're gonna play these west teams a little tougher Just to clarify I guess Where I'm at with the angels right? I think the pitching that that pitching staff is gonna keep them in some games All right cool. I'm not convinced that's cool. I wasn't trying to I Know I know when I get that tone for me that there's no convincing you so I just I think it's going to be a lot of the if stuff. I can yes, I can see some of these taking part in that. Oh, I should do that I could absolutely be taking steps forward. I just think with the rest of this division that I know come on. They got my trouts. This is a step back. I've got myself in trouble so many times Anything and let you go Samantha. How do you feel about the angels and what is the goal just to get out of the cellar here?

55:36No, they're not I think it's not that bad in like the greater scope of baseball. There will be weightless teams, right? Like there were weightless teams A year ago, you know, they're bad because they're not like true bottoms to your bad Like they're very way worse Fates out there But like they're absolutely without a doubt. I think they're crazy. Yeah, they haven't done anything to this act. Yeah, they trust still a bomb Like the rotation is still under bottom. The office really underwhelming. I don't even think they have a whole company Just no There's nothing that excites me. It's not it's okay though because You know already marino is on record that the fans don't care about winning so I mean are you guys 100% sure that that's not true. I mean, I'm sure there's a group of people that say women so that but like If we're talking without like baseball fan bases. Yeah, I would put these guys close to the front of the line of people who don't care about

56:42100% true. I mean number one of the bullets around us Those kids you're not there at all. Yeah, I think very time the ballpark it is nothing to do with what we're not involved with Things like that like I do not think angels fans collectively are the most concerned Yeah, it was interesting. There's like you brought up the Rockies. I'm wondering Is it because they just don't ever expect that team to ever be good again? No, it's because the ballpark experience is so good It's that it is accepting a lot of people Oh, I didn't think about that way It is a darn good time to go through the Rockies game, which is what's happening to the actual Rockies and it's really more about that Well clearly, I've got a I've got a bankered trip to Colorado in July Oh, it's fun Yeah Clearly and not as a member did it perhaps as people who love beer are

57:44Um, because that's a big part of it It is very pretty they have a cargo dinosaur and like, you know, you know, you know, I I do it. This is perfect. I need a good bookend, right? Because I went I went to a game in Tampa Which is the worst experience? Now I need to go to Colorado would apparently have the best fan experience so I could book it I don't know that I would call it the best fan experience One of the best But that's a big person who does care about the actual baseball I would not call it the best But he's a good experience Uh, I would call that in that costume or be with you great. Oh, absolutely Well, the sea evolution You said the bow you just go back to June and remember I was there last year. Yeah, you did. Yeah, yeah I sort of break down. It's a good place It seems to be fun place. You're not I saw the rocket so the white socks So I wasn't watching baseball

58:46Really helpful on the ticket But it was a wonderful experience so glad there that in wonderful seasons all the Rockies the sunset behind the Rockies with the brain while having Hot cheap beer. I didn't pay a lot for it So All right, so those angels. Yeah, 72 wins last year this year Well, we're under as a 74 up to Damn it. That's the number I was going to take I yeah Why can't go 75 so I have to go slightly under 73 But I really wanted 74. Damn it So Silly under You have to what you got oh, I'll take the under again. I don't know where the nonsense for a lot things all these things are Losing all these games to this

59:49The least I don't know something you'd meet since No, I think it would be the central but again Still not enough like I mean you only have to wait In the central yeah, so I mean good for you Angels great job. I'm sure you can dominate your twins. That's awesome. That is not bad Yeah And under here as well I don't think they get to 70. I just don't see the step forward. Ooh This is backwards for me. I got them in the 60s Yeah, this is a 68 win team. Ooh, I just I'm not seeing it. I don't see anything that says yay They have my trout Again, not gonna come All right, Samantha. I tried okay. All right

1:01:00Which they add that to the opening day extravaganza which by the way listeners is coming up in two weeks Uh, yeah, we should we should add that to the opening day extravaganza the over under on when my truck It's hurt Playing centerfield Can I pick opening day? Yes, you can Yes, you can Yes, you can you can even pick you can even pick the commute to the stadium of opening day if you would prefer to do that What is he Falls Off of a rock while fishing and listening to the weather Yeah Yeah, we all said he had boring hobbies, right and he's just insurbs how long the work That's right there's some fun activity right there That's right Don't like my rock

1:02:04Oh boy, all right Well Let's stick with baseball for a little bit Now then we're gonna talk a little football um, but let's get a baseball first so we have Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander So my first question Before we get into what we expect from them this year my first question So we have to we'll start with you is this the last dance for both of them God I hope so People have got to learn to Like no one to hand them up, you know, like I I am tired of this. I'm gonna be out there until things will be out saying go out on top Go out on top come on come on like we almost never see it anymore They all just get out there until they have to be like we don't almost yeah and put it in nursing home and I Tired of it. So wait, let's hope this is the end. I I have more faith in one at least than the other one

1:03:05We'll get to in a moment, but This is the end it's sadly yeah Erbie same question is it the last dance I'll give you the exact same answer cow. Hope so They are Well, I am excited to think about their correct bond like they kind of stop I mean They're both our contenders Right like like you you could make the argument for for them being able to make October and be successful You can make that you can make that argument. So it's not like they're they're pitching one last year for the Rockies But they can't pitch a whole year. That's the thing is they're gonna be successful in October They gotta take the summer off. Well, that's that's that's that's okay fair fair. Okay. Uh next question Ex-question Samantha which one are you expecting? To pitch

1:04:07Obviously nowhere near the level that they were 10 years ago, right? But which one do you have the loftier expectations for Between these two I want it to be sir sir, but I think Yeah, although I don't really think I think this is gonna be underwhelming on both counts or maybe they'll just get hurt I don't know. I don't think either one can have a particularly big impact On their shoes and in one case chersers. That's fine. Right. They're not counting on him. You can get out of the stravy sure Verlander they're counting on him And I think that that is Like if I am a tiger sand, I'm worried about that because like this is not something you can count on Yeah, yeah, erby same question. That's a that's a really good point of I think at the end of the day Verlander's numbers will be better, but he will not come across of that because the expectation is that oh yeah You're you're part of what's gonna get us there

1:05:09Oh man, let them rest. They're old men. It's time to rest It's time to rest. It's okay. So I got to ask this Is it because of Verlander's nerve issues in his arm or not if or later? Uh, Sherser Is it because of his the nerve issue that he's been dealing with the last couple of years? Is that why or is his stuff just coming down? Oh, I just think he doesn't have the same durability This is very good. I mean that's better for a while now So I mean, I mean, I wish the opposite were true if there was a guy in love to see get more watch out I want it to be Max because I love Max and Verlander kind of mutual and I kind of care um, but I just think In the back issues there too, and they both have some factors Uh-huh, uh-huh, when your kids are in your age and but Yeah, I just I don't think he has And we'll need it right now. It's really good. You know what I don't care

1:06:13We need to send any expectations because I think that return on either one Okay, all right, Erby same for you Hey, we know what they say you know nervous you and your arms goes away in your early 40s Wait, nobody says that All right, the reason why I asked those questions is because I'm of the opinion you and you guys feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong That this answer is actually twofold I think that Verlander throws more innings than Scherzer But I think Scherzer's innings are going to be more effective than Verlanders not in terms of Of well ones want their both coming to playoff racing this and now talk about this the raw Numbers I think I think I think Scherzer's numbers in the innings he pitches will be better than Verlanders But Verlander is going to pitch more innings

1:07:16I think that's right. I just don't think it's going to matter because I think it's going to be too little Uh-huh, so it's making it a different thing. I think for the record. I think that's correct. Yeah Yeah, Erby how about you? Like yeah, I'm not going to disagree I like I said max needs to summer off and then those things will be more effective in the fall Division series game three Now excuse me wild card series game three winner take all you have no choice You each have to the blue jays have to start max the tigers have to start Verlander. Which one are you picking? The blue jays offense Okay, I'll take that Erby I I can't beat that he really can't you really can't I Hold on hang on hang on time out

1:08:23Hey, go Samantha. I ordered you a jar of dirt. That was the best answer possible on the board Thank you All right, all right anything else on mad max and and Verlander before we get into A little football and call it a week Slow clap with him being as far as claims per shot Like just retire me Yeah, you quit, but now you gotta be on the quake team Okay All right, you know they actually gave me a perfect segue. Let's talk about some fakeness All right We all know that we had our NFL legal tampering period That lasted Monday at noon eastern until Wednesday at four eastern And I think it's first we should we should clarify for the for those listening that that that didn't know this

1:09:26Contracts were not official until four o'clock eastern on Wednesday Traits were not official until four o'clock eastern on Wednesday So just because your team signed somebody or a team traded for say the top defensive target on the market Doesn't mean it's official Until four o'clock on Wednesday and Samantha I bring that up because we actually did have a team pull out of a deal The Ravens had the trade for max crossby Said the Raiders too first And then pulled out of the deal not on Monday But Tuesday evening Which I found funny the timing was hilarious. You couldn't get him in there for that physical before that So before we get into the ripple effects of this I just want a journal reaction here

1:10:26For what what just went down between the Raiders and the Raiders. Let's start there Oh, this is garbage behavior on the part of the Ravens Yeah, I mean like you didn't know give me a break like You were very aware So for three I don't believe for a second that says anything to do with a physical at all I think it is the same team that almost never trades picks they got buyers or more After getting like two first round picks They reneged on a deal which is like really a thick move here Not familiar with how this works and I mentioned most if you are but to the few who aren't like they just trashed his trade value They reneged on a deal. Yeah, the situation in which they had no business doing so They have now the Raiders in a position where essentially They can't get anything close to that back for him and they really can't keep them either because the relationship They've gone bad there, which is why they were trying to trade in the first place So this is like the Raiders I think kind of showing themselves a little bit of they've always been like this that

1:11:29This is a meme that is not interested in being part of a collective there's not going to be any Well, you know, we're all one week even if we're competing with each other the raiders are very much out for themselves and honestly You can say I'm biased from proven to one. I don't actually get a shit about the rounds anymore So I don't think that I am but if you're willing to steal somebody's team and that's your origin story It's not that surprising Yeah, like this kind of behavior is how you run your org And it's why other teams don't like dealing with it Yeah, because this is just bad. This is just straight bad You should not do this is not right So Samantha before I go and and and see what what Irby wants to say on this I do want to ask you this because you know a little bit more especially recent history than I do About the NFL has this happened before Yes

1:12:29And I don't think we've ever seen it happen during Part of what made this worse right right because when we've seen this at other times We're usually talking about something about that blind deal where you don't necessarily have to move that person Right right yeah, so yeah, and the other thing is most of the time when somebody reacts they don't come out And say it is something we find out about way way way way later because the team that happens to Talk situation essentially the rate is worth force to put that out there Usually it's a deal that we never knew about in the first place and then somebody later comes back and goes You know, we had a deal in place, but so and so again We'll almost never see somebody do this and I can't make the single instance where it happened They said when there was actually a little kid in the injury concern that they found where somebody does it After the trade has been public That's the difference between this

1:13:31And it's what makes it so much worse Yeah, I'm really glad you made that distinction of not happening during the legal tampering period because we're going to get into that here in a second Ernie real quick though your initial your initial thoughts here anything you want to add I The shock value didn't really register much when I saw this but the party's involved in everything Baltimore Baltimore is this move less about proxies and more about the market for Hendrickson? Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know they They saw a way to do it cheaper so then you're next. Yeah, yeah, I think that's exactly yeah I'm with you on that one's I agree with you 100% on that one Samantha. I think it's exactly what happened Mm-hmm. No, even though even though we had the GM of the Ravens come out and say he was absolutely gutted over there Kiss my ass But go ahead So just slept like a baby It's not like a wait. We're just for personal sidebar

1:14:31It's not like a baby because he knew yesterday that he was locking in Hendrickson He knew that yesterday instead of saying anything let me believe what I woke up this one and that the Eagles were involved Come on. Oh, yeah No, that was all part of the same Yeah Oh, goodness. Yeah, you're false. Yeah, we couldn't win because you make the personnel decision. All right, pal Yeah, preach preach preach preach. Okay, you're me finish him finish you thought there No, no, no, no, that was it. I love that the gutted up. I'm sure he did that on a video game Look, I have them both and oh no, I can't darn Yeah About from a far I know how this is going to seem yeah Because that's it I know I know that I like off off on you off air. I made that joke last night, but it was a joke and I'm not the GM of any team Like that clear

1:15:33Okay, all right, so Samantha let's get into this. I mean obviously that you know the everything's official now But you did see and I knew we were gonna see this you did see Some stories out there some articles written about how teams chapped their deals with free agents that they had agreed to because again for those for those that are new to this whole thing They weren't official until four o'clock eastern on Wednesday So teams could have pulled out the reason why we that up the Raiders spit bigly Okay, they spit bigly not not all guaranteed cash But they brought in a lot of guys that were on the they were they were the mark for a lot of other teams that are going to be Planning to be contenders anyway in this upcoming season So all of a sudden crossbees back on that balance sheet and that was something we talked about last night I wanted to bring it onto the air Here this week for the show Hypothetically what if they had gone what if I'd put him over the cap like what do you do

1:16:40Yeah, yeah, this is interesting because this is something we actually haven't seen happen At least not to this be great because I mean we went in and checked right because this is the first thing we thought up When this happened we're like okay, like where are they out well? Said to the tap and they're actually in pretty good shape. They're 38 Yeah, so you know They're fine, but we were discussing this is like okay, but Many times this kind of stuff happens. There's a lot closer to the line And keep in mind too, but it's not just that one you got there because you have your both signed your job. So it's not just Right now. Yeah, yeah, also that you got to leave that question So just keep an act in the back of everyone's life But like we were saying okay, well, let's think like ahead of me. You did go over right then what happens Like obviously you can't make the way that this takes him You can't do that and you can't make anybody else take it either These trash so either you're going to get some opportunists coming in being like yeah Six or they know you have to move them because they're a cap or you have to do something else

1:17:41So I mean, we get into ripple effects across the league and how other people react to this But mostly, you know, I think it's an interesting hypothetical because it could have happened here I have even closer to the line say okay, like well This deal you probably can't do right like you probably can't move him in a way that she wants you So if you were over the cap What do you do because you got to do something the seller kept is not care that the raven stick to you Yeah, it cares for no one Uh-huh. It's just there So that means you have to go in and you start cutting other things or does it cause the domino effect with you then Greenade on another field so Yeah, that player's gonna feel so now the raven did this and now you're the bad guy too But this time you're back and out of the deal with another guy because you gotta get money up your books It's a problem. It's it's a problem. You're lucky this didn't have He wouldn't have been bad at all Yeah, it you brought up something last night that that I also wanted to ask you about here on the show because you brought up

1:18:45Well, what happens if a player gets their their their agreed contract even though it's not official They agreed to terms and it gets voided and they take that to court Like that's where this gets really messy, right? Well, right, and you don't what's gonna happen is the team is gonna go well. We have an agreement in principle It's not it, right? Right. I'm not sure that's how that would work. We call this period legal temperate Right, so it's not like you had a secret agreement. It was totally unofficial. You know, it's not like Oh It's like no, this is a time period during which the week could tell you there was no contract on pay penalty and they do not legal temper So I don't know what would happen in that situation My guess is because there is nothing on paper the player would be kind of out of luck

1:19:50But as a team you would be very disincentivized to do this to somebody because you will never sign a free agent again And the players you know, you decide to fire three minutes and they're probably going to win and we're going to use Graphics like just because you can't win Like in a court of law. It doesn't mean you can't affect some damage. So like yeah, that seems calling not that I have to pay you that contract and I mean really the NFL is not going to like let them out of the salary tax to do it But they are gonna pay for that contract if you know what I mean Yeah, because the week is probably going to take you to the action against them even though it's their own salary It's preventing them from doing so. So like I mean, we don't know what those galleries this would be because But it would look bad What's the shock value you're going to be next month if the Ravens and the Raiders align on a trade No, no, no, just just like just swapping fifth rounders like

1:21:02I'm never taking a call from you Yeah, I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. Okay, Irby back over to you you What are your thoughts about the hypotheticals right like the Raiders go over the cap Because it's because the the Ravens pulled out of a trade that you have already Account afforded your books like what what do you think? Well, it becomes the I mean yeah, the cascading effects potentially is the thing of you know What is it where we all have the thing that we did of you whether it's in school or works like This is not exactly what we're supposed to do, but everybody No, behave so we can do it. So one person screws it up for everybody. Yeah And are we close to the Ravens hopefully didn't screw it up for everybody here And we lose legal tampering and all that because yeah the cascading effect I It would be interesting to see what these agreements Oh, and I'm using air quotes like you can see me, but that's what I'm doing is the agreements

1:22:04What what is there anything written down like like it would be fascinating if the player did that of It would blow up to look at the text messages look at these emails All these things is like they I have a thing in agreement look at this text what it says from the general manager from the owner Um, that would be fun as long as our team aren't involved to see it, but no, I I bad for the sport Bad for everybody involved I To be very interested to see you out Baltimore. How would this how it would play out for them afterwards that after math I mean you're you're absolutely right. Why would somebody want to do that of like well, no I'm not going to greet you until we get into the actual free agency because I don't trust that you're not going to go Yeah, really like your deal, but this player over here is now available. So bye I So I have to ask I mean it is the elephant in the room, Samantha. I have to ask this about the legal tampering period

1:23:04Does the NFL really need it? What is what yeah, what what is so wrong about waiting making sure everyone was into the league your opens on Wednesday? Why even have this 48 hour period and would this something like this actually cause the lead to change course on it? Well, the only reason we have this is because everybody was doing it even though I technically wasn't legal and it was one of those things where It's sort of like when the whole class Defaces the classroom, you know, like or the whole class is for my team to be sure you can't suspend everything Right, so that's why Clothes is because they couldn't punish everyone because everyone is keeper So what are you going to do take away evidence? So then who's going to take it won't be a first round, you know, there will be a third grad Whatever is it decided the price is it won't exist because everyone's doing it. So You would have to Get to the space where you're saying look we're not doing this anymore

1:24:05We mean it and if anybody highlights it, the music will be punished But like it's never been legal. They just ignore that because they realize that if they punish the person they caught Everybody that's going to start pointing at everybody else and all of a sudden 32 people are in line for a punishment. You don't want that, right? So this was just the privacy is among the part of the NFL So but they probably after this are kind of have to change it because you're going to have some of those to and see the detects as soon as they force a Okay, but if this is the result, we don't want this everybody's just an athlete. So unfortunately Everybody Yeah, yeah, I think the Ravens just ruined it for everybody Yep, right Like straight up like I don't know The NFL could if they wanted to the NFL could strip them with some draft picks and treat him like the NCAA treat SMU back in the 80s I mean they could try that but I don't think it's going to work

1:25:06I know That's going to work at all No, like like this this is pretty simple close loophole the league year opens at four o'clock on Wednesday And if you're already coming to agreement with a guy at 401 eastern Clearly you're tampering Yeah, I mean they're all going to do it anyway. Yeah, at least now there's some recourse if somebody does something like this Right because that's the point. That's what you're trying Well, okay, couldn't couldn't okay Devils advocate here couldn't you just tweak it to where trades Are official, but freeze the signings aren't Could you do that because that's really the cause of this right like you don't see a lot of teams sign a player and then But then I cut within a day regret the signing. I mean you might regret it in in august All right, not august but like November you might oh man. This guy wasn't what I wanted

1:26:09I think the way that you solve this is by saying that Do you have the trade line right and then nobody can be traded until Yeah, after the Super Bowl So the way that you solve this is you decide the day after the Super Bowl you can start based on the trades. Yeah Wait Our binding if you've announced you know, like you may say you don't if you're not sure if you want to Then you have to take care of before you do this But like if we quit having a you know, nebulous tampering period, which is trades you solve the problem So it's just like look to February 4th or whatever it is the day ends at a good afternoon Super Bowl and you are free to make trades it only makes the entire problem Because it doesn't get compressed down because it's two day time period looking for crazy things and then get buyers Yeah, this is like this is one of those areas where I think baseball gets it absolutely right Yeah, after the World Series you have an exclusive window

1:27:11We're the free agent and then it can only talk to the team is coming from and then after that is it's everyone's game What Well the other I mean the other problem with baseball is like in baseball No, you would do this because you never be able to show your face Right, yeah, it's way too many like on it's full channel integrations. We did this in baseball You would be dead to everyone. You would be thrown out of society. Yeah, like You know, it would it would be like I don't know I can't even think of another one line like I guess if you were I titled Victoria and you dated to to take it up It would be a creation and on your house And you no longer be able to show your face at anyones. Yeah, it's in a party or ball So baseball is just awesome So it hasn't waited for all of us to have but football made that choice when they said we don't care about stuff Yeah, so Oh, man, what a mess. What a mess. Okay, final thoughts before we call the week Samantha anything you want to add here

1:28:13Great as a trash I actually saw that coming Erby Um, why do I feel like this this saga is not over yet between these guys, you know I thought about that all day today like this ain't over. There's gonna be some There's gonna be some something something we just know what that something is So All right, well uh Wherever you're listening to Lolligagging sports Give us a like subscribe with the show help us out with that algorithm so we get some more Lolligaggers in here But for this week we're done. We're out of here until next week You got another week in a diamond play Pick your fighter and watch some baseball softball Whatever you want. We'll see you next week

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