Twin Hearts Meditation Pranic Healing with Mara Messenger

0:00Welcome to our science meets self-care with Ida Fonelli. With over 30 years of beauty and wellness and a background in medical science, Ida blends clinical knowledge with holistic care. Each week, she and her guests share insights to help you achieve healthier skin, balanced energy, and empowered self-care. Now, here's your host, Ida Fonelli. Today, we are honored to welcome Mara Messenger, a level one pranachealing instructor certified pranachealing from the Ontario Center for Pranachealing. Mara began her pranachealing journey in 2019, completing her associate pranachealer certification in 2020, and her certified pranachealing certification in 2025. She became a level one pranachealing instructor and a self-pranachealing instructor in 2024. Mara is an active pillar within the Ontario Center for Pranachealing community.

1:01She assists with courses, support groups, and training to facilitate a weekly twin-hards meditation group, and organizes the center's weekly group healing sessions. Mara also does sessions for individual clients providing healing for physical, emotional, and mental issues. Beyond her healing work, Mara is also a talented industrial designer known for her creative contributions at Global Furniture Group. Her design work extends to corporate and healthcare furniture, including Willow, a Nightingale Gold Award winner for healthcare design, and an interior design magazine, Hip Honoree. Mara became an instructor with a clear intention to share the effective life-changing techniques and deeper spiritual concepts of pranachealing with the world. Her work blends service, compassion, creativity, and a deep dedication to personal and collective healing. Mara, welcome. First, I want to share that I know Mara personally through her weekly twin-hards meditation groups,

2:02which I've been grateful to participate in. You have such a unique background from industrial design to pranachealing instruction. What first drew you into the world of pranachealing back in 2019, and what inspired you to pursue it so deeply? Well, thank you for having me, Aida. Well, thank you for coming. I would say before pranachealing, I was on a search, a long time search for healing for myself, wanting to be able to help to heal other people, wanting to have a greater understanding of life, and searching for the deeper meanings in life and truth. And on that path, I read many spiritual books, hundreds of spiritual books. And along the way, I found this book called, Your Hands Can Heal You. And this book is about pranachealing written by Master Steven Ko, who was a master pranachealer in the US, and a doctor, Dr. Aaron Robbins. And I read this book, and I was quite fascinated by this concept that we can use our own hands to heal us and heal other people.

3:05But I didn't take a class right away. I branched off for a while, and first I did Raky. And I actually did Raky up to my master's level of Raky. Wow. And we're still reading this other book. And interestingly, the last day of my master's level Raky class, my instructor took out three books on pranachealing. And I wrote down the titles, and I thought I need to read these books. And close my notebook and forgot about it. So then sometime later, a few months later, I decided to take this level one pranachealing class in Mrs. Saga. I was sitting there, and to be honest, I was sitting there questioning, you know, I had been on a long journey of trying all different things, shopping around. And I had this thought, well, why am I here? I should just be doing Raky, because that was what I was doing. And then I opened up my notebook. And here is written these three books, and Master Chokak Sui, who is the founder of modern pranachealing. And then I felt that I had been guided to be in the class.

4:06And it was my first class. And what inspired me to pursue it so deeply and continue on the path of pranachealing is I found so many answers about life and a deeper understanding about life. When we understand life and the way energy works in our lives, we have the steeper understanding about life. And I learned so many tools and techniques in pranachealing that I wanted to learn more and more and understand more and more. Those new to this modality, can you explain what exactly pranachealing is? Sure. So pranachealing is a non-touch energy healing modality. And in pranachealing, we work on the energy body where the aura. So we all have a physical body that we can see and touch, and we have an energy body that surrounds the physical body and interpenetrates the physical body. And when we learn how to work with this energy body, we can accelerate our natural healing process, which is what we're doing in pranachealing, accelerating the natural healing process. So we learn tools and techniques that almost anyone can learn for self healing and healing of others.

5:09Basically, we are learning to feel for and find the imbalances in the energy body and correct them using the techniques of pranachealing. Can you explain what prana life force is and how pranic healing works on the bioplasmic or energy body? Yes. So prana or life force is the energy of life. It's called prana in Sanskrit. It's called numa in Greek, key or chi in Chinese, Japanese. So it's just the life force, life energy. And this life force or life energy is all around us. So we can access this life energy from the air around us. We call that air prana through the ground. We call ground prana. We receive prana from the sun. We call sun prana. And we even can receive an access divine prana. So it's important to know in pranic healing that we do not use our own prana. That we access these energies or prana from the surrounding. And we use this energy when we're doing healing.

6:09So when we do pranic healing, we're removing the disease prana, the unbeneficial energies. In the energy body, we remove them and then we replenish with fresh, clean prana. And this energy body that I spoke of earlier, the aura or the energy body, is like a blueprint for the physical body. So this means that this energy body has all the aspects of the physical body. There are two eyes, two ears, two arms, two legs, heart, a liver. Every part that's in our physical body is in this energy body. So when we work on that, when we do healing on the energy body, we're bringing healing to the physical body. And in prana killing, we also work with the chakras. So the chakras control and energize all the different parts of the physical body and the systems of the body. So we work very practically and systematically with the chakras. Let's say I have a problem with my stomach. I have a stomach ache. I would work on the stomach area with the energy around that area. And I would work on the chakras responsible for the stomach, which is the solar plexus chakras.

7:10And one more thing I'll say about prana killing, just in the introduction, is we have a big emphasis on energy hygiene. So we cleanse the way that disease energies. And we need to dispose of those disease energies properly. So we don't want those energies to be in the room around us. We don't want them to go to the person we're healing or to ourselves. So we cleanse, we replenish, and we have an emphasis on energy hygiene. Many people don't realize that prana killing has a strong scientific foundation. For example, Dr. Joe P. Jones conducted a decade-long study on hella cells exposed to gamma radiation, showing measurable improvements when prana killing was applied, even with greater effects when karmic intervention was included. Can you share the scientific side of prana killing and why it's often called a union of science and spirituality? Yes, prana killing is both scientific and spiritual. So it's scientific in that the techniques and the things that we use in prana killing

8:10have been tested and validated. So the founder, Mr. Chokak Sui conducted tests to validate his theories and the techniques that we use. And it's also based on natural laws, which makes it scientific. Two of the main natural laws that prana killing is based on are first, the law of self recovery. This law means that our body has a natural ability to heal itself. For example, we cut our finger, the finger naturally heals. We get a colder of flu, we naturally get better in time. So this is the law of self recovery. And the second law that is being used or embodied in prana killing is the law of life energy. This means that when we increase the life energy, we all have life energy to live, to survive. If we have no energy, we die. But when we increase the life energy, we give more prana to ourselves or to the person receiving healing. We can accelerate the natural healing process of the body. So these are the two natural laws that are part of the scientific part of prana killing.

9:12Prana killing is also repeatable. It's teachable. It's you don't have to have natural or a special ability to do prana killing. It's based on techniques that can be taught and learned. And in prana killing, we have something called protocols. The books written by the founder that have recipes for healing. So for example, if you had a headache or you want to heal somebody with a headache, you look up the protocol for headache in the book and you follow step by step, how to do the healing, which areas to work on, which chakra to work on. So this makes it quite scientific. And now we'll take time for a commercial break. I learned patience from my adoptive dad. All he had to say was, hey, you got this. Just breathe. We're pretty good. Yeah. We had to start a band. I got it. Learn about adopting a teen from foster care. You can't imagine the reward. Visit adoptuskids.org to find out more.

10:13This message is brought to you by adoptuskids, the US Department of Health and Human Services, and the Ad Council. Welcome back. The way chronic healing is spiritual is that firstly, we invoke to whoever we pray to, whoever that is for you, whether that's God or the universe. We invoke because when we invoke, we ask for help from the higher beings. We receive energy, divine energy to help in our healing. We are protected and the person we're healing is protected. So we invoke this is the spiritual part of chronic healing. And we are the instrument of healing when we invoke. We have more access to energy. And another way that chronic healing is spiritual is that we meditate. Meditation is part of chronic healing, which benefits us as a healer and receiver. So we practice twin heart meditation. And as you mentioned, which benefits us as a healer makes our energy bodies stronger, more powerful. And people receiving healing from us, we ask them to practice as well because it's a very healing meditation.

11:14So this is how chronic healing is both scientific and spiritual. They really are interconnected. Science also shows that our bodies generate electromagnetic fields that are influenced by our thoughts, emotions, and intentions. When someone meditates or practices chronic healing, how does this affect their electromagnetic field? And why is energy management before and after practice so important? So in chronic healing, we refer to the electromagnetic field as the aura or the energy body. And we learn to assess it for the effects of negative thoughts and emotions on the energy body. We're taught how to validate for ourselves. So when we take a class, we learn how our thoughts and emotions positively and negatively can impact the size and strength of our energy body. And so that's why I say we're able to demonstrate and experience the effects of the thoughts and the feelings that we have. Positive emotions energize and strengthen our energy body, negative thoughts and emotions to plead and weaken us energetically in many ways.

12:15So once we see this evidence for ourselves through being able to assess our own energy body or the energy body of people that we're working with, we can be more diligent about our thoughts and emotions. And we also in chronic healing learn many tools and techniques to manage our energy because everything's energy, including our thoughts and our emotions. So we learn how to cleanse these things from our aura, these thoughts, these negative emotions, which is another week we really can accelerate the natural healing process. Let's say you are having anxiety so you can change your thinking to more positive thinking, but we also can remove that energy of anxiety from the chakras and the aura. Bioenergy Laboratory at the Rhine Research Center has measured electromagnetic radiation emitted during focused intent using infrared and ultraviolet detection equipment. Results showed healers generated measurable infrared radiation from their palms and foreheads during healing. Some individuals and meditation groups projected three to a hundred thousand times baseline UV levels.

13:17Emissions began with focused intent and stopped afterwards. What does this type of research reveal about human bio-energetic fields? So in my opinion, what this shows is that intention, intention is critical and very impactful. And in chronic healing, we use intention in every technique. So the intention facilitates the healing. And again, we measure and validate this without special equipment. So we're able to feel the energy body to see the results of our intention when we're doing the healing. But the research you quote also demonstrates this impact of intention. So we're always using intention with our techniques. We have the intention to cleanse, we have the intention to give energy. So the intention is having a powerful impact on the energy body and healing. Chronic healing has a profound lineage from master mailing in the sixth century to Grandmaster Joe Koch Suite in the 20th century. What do you want people to know about Grandmaster Joe Koch Suite and his mission in bringing chronic healing to the world?

14:21Well, Master Joe Koch Suite was guided by his spiritual teacher, Lord Mahogururji Meiling. And they had many objectives in chronic healing. And two of the main ones I'll mention are talked about in the introduction of his first two books. So the first book is called Miracles through Pranic Healing. And in the introduction of that book, he says, I'm paraphrasing, let print healing spread all over the world and help to alleviate the suffering of mankind. So this is one of the main objectives in chronic healing is that we are helping to alleviate our own suffering and helping to alleviate the suffering of people that we're doing healing for. We're helping to alleviate suffering by practicing twin heart meditation, blessing the earth with peace and loving kindness. And in the introduction of the second book, Advanced Pranic Healing, which is level two, Pranic Healing. To paraphrase again, in the forward, he wants this to elevate and raise the consciousness of humanity.

15:21And again, Pranic Healing through these practices, through practicing twin heart meditation, we are helping to raise the consciousness of humanity. And I'll say also there are many books written by Master Joe Koch Suite. I think he wrote 25 books that have been translated in many languages. Yes, he was brilliant. This is a special thing about Pranic Healing is that we have books written by the founder, which is not very common. So a special thing we appreciate. The Ontario Center for Pranic Healing offers many courses. Level one, two, three, crystal, Pranic Healing, Pranic Psychic Self-Defense, Super Brain Yoga, our heart tick yoga and more. Where should someone begin and how does the learning path unfold? Well, someone should begin with level one, which is the foundation of Pranic Healing. And in level one, we learn and teach the basic foundational techniques, which we take with us as we go to the higher levels of healing. And we practice the healing of the energy body. We practice energy hygiene and safety and other things to make the healing more effective and safe.

16:26And we're able in level one to start healing simple, simple conditions right in the first class. People work with each other and start to relieve aches and pains and stresses. Different things are helped even from the first weekend, which a level one class is. It's two full days. And if one has done the level one class, you can go on to level two. In level two, we learn to use different frequencies of energy to make the healing faster and more effective and more powerful. And we work on the physical body, especially. We have techniques like cleansing the blood, cleansing internal organs, healing of broken bones, which can be really speeded or made much faster. Different techniques where we're working more on the physical body. And in level three, that's panic psychotherapy. We're working with more psychological and mental issues. So we are working with an even more refined energy as well as with the chakras and the oras from a psychological or mental perspective.

17:29So we work on things like anxiety, depression, phobia, addiction, because these things are all energies in the energy body. And they impact different chakras. So when we under have this understanding of the anatomy of the energy body, and we're to work with these conditions, we can work more effectively with these illnesses. It's important to state that we always say in preineculeing that preineculeing is never intended to replace alopathic medicine that we work in conjunction with doctors. So people, if they're taking prescriptions, if they're seeing a psychotherapist psychiatrist, people should continue their treatment. And preineculeing is a complimentary treatment that can often really speed the healing. Sometimes people will come off medication under supervision of a doctor like people's blood pressure can be lower, they can lower their medication. But again, we don't tell people to stop or change what doctors have advised that that's under advisement of their practitioners. So then preinecrystal healing, we learn to work with crystals as tools. So the tools like a surgeon's scuffle.

18:30So when we work with crystals, it's to amplify and make the healing faster again and more powerful. And we learn to program crystals, we learn how to clean them. They're really amazing tools. I loved crystals before preineculeing. I had all kinds of crystals. But preineculeing really teaches us what they can do. And I felt like I was kind of guessing before. I wasn't sure different websites, sources would say these crystals meant into different things. So we learn, we learn, we learn to work with them as tools. And then psychics, self-defense, we learn to shield our energy body to help protect us. Superbrain yoga. We learn at a special yoga exercise that helps balance our brain right and left sides of the brain, helps with memory, helps with things like Alzheimer's and dementia. I find when I do my superbrain yoga practice, my memory is better. And our Hattikyoga is the spiritual path in preineculeing. So we sort of have the healing path. We have a manifestation path, which I think we're going to talk about maybe in a little bit.

19:31And our Hattikyoga is the spiritual path, which you practice to enhance. And if you want to go beyond that, we have our Hattikyoga, which is a synthesis of yoga and a very powerful but safe awakening of the Kundalini. And now we'll take time for commercial break. Last week, Brandon met a girl on a dating app. One day after work, he finally found the courage to ask her out. No answer. He started to panic. Was he being too pushy? Maybe it was too sweet. Hey, sorry I didn't respond. I was driving. I would love to go on a date. How does tonight sound? Brandon tried to play it cool, but inside he knew a girl so smart, so responsible. She must be a keeper. Welcome back to someone need to apprentice before advancing to higher levels. No, you need to take the prerequisite. So each level builds on the previous level. If you take level one, you can take level two. You can actually take it right away. Advanced panic healing or level two just means we're learning more advanced techniques, but they build on level one.

20:35If somebody wants to work more closely with us, we do have an associate program where people can become certified to be a certified healer or an associate certified healer, where you can charge and work professionally. In Grandmaster Chowkow's week, early books, there are images of colored energy balls. What do these represent and how can visualizing or sensing them enhance healing? So these represent different frequencies of prana. So in level two, we're working with different frequencies. We say colors, but they're not colors. They're actually frequencies. And these different frequencies have different purposes in healing. And when we understand the frequencies, where to use them, how to use them, how to access them, the healing can be faster and more effective. Do you see a correlation between energy healing colors and physical light energy? They're completely different. Color therapy or light therapy is not the same as the frequencies used in prana healing. So yeah, they're different, a different thing.

21:36Some people hesitate to meditate for religious reasons. Your website offers courses like inner teachings of Christianity revealed and inner teachings of Buddhism revealed. Is it to reach and support people of different faiths? This is an interesting question. Actually, in addition to that, there's also inner Hinduism revealed. Hello. This, these came about because Master Chowkow Sui on his learning path, he became a yoga, a yogi in his teens. And he studied all different religions, different esoteric teachings, all different backgrounds and traditions. And so these are part of that. And basically, the inner teaching courses are for anyone. And they reveal the hidden truths that are within religions so that we can all benefit from understanding them. So some of us who are religion is concerned have thrown out the baby with the bath water. We have some people maybe renounce their religion or their parts of religion they don't agree with. And so they don't practice their religion.

22:37But we learn that there actually are hidden truths and deeper truths within religion. And so this is taught in these courses. And again, as we validate and prana killing, we're able to validate the impact when we understand these hidden truths and how to work with them. Proper cleansing. Oh, are you done? I was going to say that prana killing and twin heart meditation welcome people from all faiths and backgrounds. It's non-denominational. That's good. Proper cleansing of the meditation area is often advised. Can you explain why this is necessary and how it is done? Well, it's necessary because it's easier to meditate when both our body, our energy body and our surroundings are cleaner. So thoughts are like thoughts are inner energy body and thoughts are all around us. And it can make it harder to focus and meditate. So when we cleanse our energy body, it makes the energy flow more easily and it's easier to meditate in a clean space. We learn a lot more about this in level one. It's part of energy hygiene, our own physical energy hygiene, but also the energy hygiene of our home in our space.

23:42You facilitate weekly twin heart meditation. Why is this meditation so transformative and why is it necessary to do physical exercises before and after the meditation? So this meditation is transformative for many reasons. It's a very healing. It's very cleansing and energizing to our energy body. So it's a technique and in this technique first we activate our heart chakra and then we activate our crown chakra. And we receive a downpour of divine energy that we use to bless the world with peace, loving kindness and with love. So as we give so we receive not only are we experiencing these energies and these energies are flowing through us. So this is very transformative. But as we give so do we receive as we give blessings we receive more blessings in our lives. And it's an advanced spiritual technique and this advanced technique we receive spiritual shower or downpour of divine energy that fleshes through us. So it cleanses us and energizes us. And as we activate our heart chakra it brings more peace into us into ourselves.

24:47And it helps to regulate our solar plexus chakra which is where we tend to hold stress. So we feel more peaceful. We feel more loving as we activate our heart chakra and then we activate our crown chakra. And we do the exercises before to prepare the body for the meditation. So before we're cleansing and I'm blocking the Meridians and energy channels in the energy body. And we're releasing the excess energy after the meditation by doing the exercises and also we're able to assimilate some of these good energies for our system when we do the exercises. Who is this practice ideal for and what results have you witnessed. So the twin heart meditation is good for anyone who wants to improve their life and experience the benefits of meditation, who wants to have more energy, who wants to heal. It's healing on all levels physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually because everything's energy as our oras and chakras are fleshed. We are healed. I myself have witnessed more peace in my self in my life, especially when I practice regularly, improve relationships.

25:52When I do the meditation at the end, as you know, when you come to the Monday group, we bless our family and our loved ones. And those people I blessed have been transformed as well and our relationships have been transformed. I also feel increased purpose in life, you know, we're living in very challenging times. We watch the news and I listen to the news and it can be very depressing and troubling. But I know I'm going to be blessing these situations and these people when I do twin heart meditation that evening or the next time I do it. Can anyone practice almost anyone can practice? There are a few warnings because it is a very powerful meditation. So you need to be over 16 years of age to practice. And there are some health conditions like if you have a heart condition, uncontrolled high blood pressure, uncontrolled severe kidney issues. It's recommended not to practice or glaucoma and control glaucoma because there's a lot of energy. Other than that, almost anyone can practice this technique. You also recommend not bathing or showering within a certain time period afterwards.

26:53Why is this advice? Well, when we practice this meditation, we become a channel of divine energy. And we receive a lot of this divine energy. So we want to allow time for this energy to assimilate into our body for healing and for the benefits of receiving this energy. So we don't want to shower and wash it away, basically. Why does this meditation encourage smiling during the practice? Each step of the meditation techniques actually serves a purpose. So we're asked to focus on our heart chakra, recall a happy event and smile at our heart chakra. So all of these things focusing on it, thinking of a happy events and smiling, activate our heart chakra. So, and the further we progress in chronic healing, the more we realize how the simplest techniques are bringing benefits. So, smiling at our heart chakra and our crown chakra activates them, brings more of these energies into us and through us. And smiling softens our energy and more, smiling does even more. So, and we learn more about this in our classes.

27:54Does consistent twin hearts meditation enhance intuition? Yes, I would say it does. It can because as we activate our crown chakra, we become more intuitive and connected with our higher self. Activating our crown chakra increases our spiritual connection. And we learn more about this in our class, achieving one is with the higher soul, but the technique, yes, helps with our intuition, our higher intuition. A client once entered my treatment room just after twin hearts meditation and said, you're overflowing with energy. Can I take some of it? What does this teach us about managing excess energy? Well, what this can teach us is that we are sensitive to each other's energy. We are open systems of energy. It's like if you go in a room and somebody's smoking, you pick up that smoke. You will smell like smoke. You may have noticed if you're in proximity of someone who is anxious or angry, you start to feel those feelings. You may be feeling disfined and you're with another person and all of a sudden you're feeling anxious for no reason.

28:54And you think, why am I feeling anxious? And then they tell you, I'm feeling anxious today, right? We pick up these things. We're in open system, but when we do twin hearts energy or twin heart meditation, we're bringing that energy into the world and to others. So we're using that open system for good. So we can have an impact on what type of energy we are bringing into every situation when we have more love and this energy of love and blessing in our aura and in our system. And because you just did the twin hearts and exercise after, I think you were just still in the glow of the meditation. Oh, yeah, it was right after. And now we'll take time for commercial break. Little we're big on quality. Quality for all. So he can keep the carnivores, herbivores and once and more is happy. And they can keep this little one in fresh nappies.

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30:56Even in your hair, if you're washing your hair, especially areas of your body, if you have pain or stiffness or stress where you feel stresses, you put that salt water all over your body, leave it on for a minute, and then you rinse it away. And this is very cleansing. It cleanses away the stresses of the day. You'll feel really light and clean and fresh. Also, if you have time, you can do a salt bath and that's like swimming in the ocean. So you take a kilogram box of salt. You might go to the dollar store or whatever. You get a kilogram and you put the whole box in the bathtub and you take a bath for 15 or 20 minutes and rinse off after. And it's the equivalent almost of swimming in the ocean. So you can do that once a week. It can be a little bit depleting because it's so cleansing. It's washing away the depleted and diseased energies. So it's good to do before practicing meditation, before receiving healing or before bed. And it's important that it's actual salt, sea salt, or table salt and not excellent salt, which is a different compound.

31:56You encourage us to do this suggested exercises daily, even without meditation. Can you explain why? Yes. As we exercise each part of the body, so before and after twin heart meditation, we do this set of exercises where we work our way through the whole body, doing some small, some larger movements of each part of our physical body. And as we exercise each part of the body, the aura and the chakras in that area are cleansed. So the meridians and energy channels are unlocked. The energy can flow, which allows it to flow for the twin heart meditation. And also, let's say I'm doing that one of the exercises ahead side to side. So we do head side to side like this 12 times. Well, I have a throat chakra here. So as I do that, the throat chakra is being cleansed. It's expelling diseased energies. So when you do this outside of the meditation, it's just very cleansing and energizing and balancing. We are in an ocean of energy. So that air prana is all around us, ground prana, sun prana. So when we cleanse and the energy is flowing freely, we're even able to absorb more of that fresh, clean prana after we exercise.

33:00Yeah, I've been doing that for a while now. What's the day? You always share a bit of knowledge before meditation. I really appreciate that. How does this deepen the practice? Well, we practice the twin heart meditation. And I like to show how what we're doing in the meditation relates to our life. So I try to think of something or if there's something in a current event or maybe a quote I've read that relates to the meditation. I just like us to think about this meditation from different points of view or different aspects. Also, when we do the same practice repeatedly, I think it's helpful to appreciate it in new ways, to think about it a little bit differently and keep it fresh. Yes, and there's so many different aspects to the meditation. I could talk about it for a long time and all different parts of it. And I like a chance to highlight these different aspects. I think also when we're aware of what we're doing in the meditation, it helps to deepen the practice. Some hear the term energy healing and assume it's unscientific. What misconceptions do you encounter and how do you address them? From the very beginning of level one course,

34:00we are asked to use the prana-killing techniques to experiment and validate for ourselves. And we're asked to keep an open mind. So this is what I would suggest. Whether or not we believe in the science of energy, and there are lots of things that show the science of energy. There's different kinds of photography where we can see pictures of auras. We can see evidence, scientific experiments that show the evidence of energy. But whether or not we believe in this science or see this evidence of science feeling and seeing the results for ourselves is paramount. And from the very beginning, we're asked to validate and test for ourselves. Online Sunday healings have grown in popularity. How effective is distant healing compared to in-person sessions? distant healing is actually just as effective as in-person healing. It's like we know in the phone rings and you think of someone and the phone rings and you pick it up and it's them. It's like we're connected with people, right? We can feel that connection with people. This is one of the ways that distant healing works.

35:02And this is something I had to experience for myself, both in giving and receiving. It was a foreign concept to me that I learned in my first class. But we teach it in our classes and we practice in our classes. And anyone can learn this and help their loved ones living in different places. Lots of us have loved ones living in different parts of the world. And it was such a blessing during the pandemic. We were also busy doing healing during the pandemic because we could work distantly. So it's one of those things, as we say, we need to test and validate for ourselves. It's one of those things you will be convinced after experiencing it and trying it for yourself. There are many courses out there regarding controlling our thoughts to gain success. Is there a researcher evident showing that people experience success or transformation by incorporating energy healing into their lives? Well, we have courses on manifestation and success in chronic healing. So we have a course called CreatioShopty, which is our course for abundance prosperity and success. We have a course called Spiritual Business Management, where we're using certain techniques to work better in our careers.

36:04And Pranik Feng Shui, which is how we work with the energy of our home, to also increase our success and abundance and prosperity in life. So all of these courses teach us how to work with our energy to gain more success and prosperity. So chronic healing is very spiritual, but it's also very practical. So healing our lives is more than just healing our body. Our finances are an important part of our health. So we have lots of successful people and many, many positive outcomes from people who take these courses and implement what they learn. Myself included, my finances have definitely improved since doing pranik healing. And some people on a spiritual path aren't comfortable with money. But when we have more money and more money in the hands of good people, we can do more good in the world. And we can study more, we can heal more. So there are benefits. We can be a better service, greater service to society. So it's a better thoughts and also our energy or our chakras, our home, our practices.

37:05What has been the most fulfilling part of teaching and facilitating healing? Well, I'd love to see the light on people's faces when they practice the healing technique that they've learned and are able to relieve someone else's pain or stress right in the first class or when they experience that themselves. People work on, we'll do something like, let's say let's do healing on one leg and then walk around the room and you just feel the difference in your two legs. After you've done your healing on one leg and not the other leg or someone has knee pain and another person is healing on it. Or you feel really stressed out and you receive one of the techniques that is very beneficial for stress. So I love to see people empowered to heal themselves and heal others. Grandmaster Cho Khoswee said, the union of science and spirituality is inevitable. How do you see energy healing evolving in the next decade? Well, I see energy healing becoming more evidence-based and integrated over the next decade. So when I say evidence-based, I mean, as I have said repeatedly in preinec healing we validate.

38:05So it's not just, it's not just a kind of a guessing game, which I kind of felt a little bit like before preinec healing. I wasn't sure what I was doing had an impact. So we can see that there's evidence of the impact. And integrated in that as people become more open to alternative healing, I think it will be more incorporated into alopathic medicine. There are many doctors who are preinec healers. And the past energy healing has been largely experiential, more of an art. The preinec healing is a science and an art and naturally bridges science and spirituality. It's also very practical and useful and effective. So I think this will become more and more evident. Do you feel people are becoming more open to subtle energy, intuition and non-physical healing? Yes, I definitely do. I think people are more open to energy healing. And I think they're looking for answers and solutions. Many people come to preinec healing feeling overwhelmed or disconnected. What would you say to someone unsure or intimidated about learning energy work?

39:06I would say almost anyone can learn to heal themselves and others with preinec healing with your own hands. We teach step-by-step techniques that can be learned and practiced. So no special abilities are needed. And in class, we learn techniques and then we practice together. We watch you practice until you feel comfortable using the techniques. So it's not, I didn't have any special abilities before I started. I couldn't see energy. I couldn't feel energy. I still can't see energy. And I'm learning to feel energy learning the techniques that I've learned. What empowers you most about teaching, seeing people heal themselves or watching them discover their own abilities? I will say both. Helping people to learn to new techniques and benefit from them as I have is life changing. For anyone wanting to take a course, join a meditation or book a healing session with you. What is the best way to connect? Well, the best way is to go to our website, pranichillingontario.ca, and all of the courses and descriptions are there, and contact information is there. We generally offer the level and pranic healing about every four to six weeks.

40:09So either I'm teaching or my colleague, Irina Linkova, is teaching the level and classes at the center in Mississauga. And do they have to be there or can they do it online? It's in person. So our level and classes in person in Mississauga. Thank you, Mara, for connecting with me today. I'll include her contact information, Mara at pranichillingontario.ca, and pranichillingontario.ca in the description. So you can connect with her and other healers locally. And for anyone wanting to explore global meditation courses and events, you can also access worldwide resources through the online world pranichilling.com, which offers international participation and opportunities to join pranichilling communities in your area. Thank you so much, Mara. Thank you, Irina. Thank you for tuning in to where science meets self-care with Ida Fonelli. Ida bridges clinical science with holistic wisdom, guiding you toward greedy and skin,

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