Packers Offseason Breakdown: Cap Space, Cornerback Targets & Receiver Losses

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1:02So, what does Odu? Well, I guess Odu is a bit of everything. Odu is a fertilizer, magic beanstalk building blocks for business. Yeah, that's it. Which means that Odu is exactly what every business needs. Learn more and sign up now at odu.com. That's odo.com. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome once again to the PackerNet podcast. I am your host and resident finalist. As always, Ryan Schlipp. Check us out online, PackerNet.com. Find me on Twitter, pack, underscore, that it. Well, the plan for today was going to be the mock draft defensive tackle thing. I don't know if we're going to have time to get to that. There's quite a bit going on, not a massive amount,

2:05but there's things that I feel like we probably shouldn't put off. And in addition, we certainly can't talk about it tomorrow. I'm guessing because it's the start of kind of free agency. It is the legal, the legal tampering period. By the way, please make sure you have your notifications on. Make sure you have this to auto download and all that stuff. Because I'm planning on kind of just standing by the phone here and popping out little five minute breaking news podcast type of things. Assuming anything happens, nothing really interesting might happen. But if it does, expect that to come about. But why don't we poke through what's been going on today? I would say it's, I'm not thrilled about it, but I'm not surprised either. Anywho, let's go start going through it. First of all, as far as the quote unquote non-packer's news,

3:06it is, but outside of the team, we'll start off with this senior NFL insider, Jacina Anderson reports eight to nine teams are interested in impending free agent cornerback James Pierre. The six year veteran has made only 13 professional starts with the Steelers, but it's expected to draw significant interest in the free agent market if not signed by Monday. Senior NFL insider Jacina Anderson reports this comes on the heels of the expectation that numerous teams will be looking to the free agent pool to help add cornerback in the coming cycle. A notion that could spark rapid fire signings in the secondary. Pierre was a mainstay on special teams in Pittsburgh and contributed. Excuse me, 614 defensive steps, the previous two seasons. Now, if you are somewhat unfamiliar with the name James Pierre, you're not alone. I would also be in that camp. As I said, not a lot of starts since 2020. This past year, he started like this from week 11 on.

4:11The weird thing about him, first of all, 29 years old, which is not great. Not a lot of starts, which is not great. UDFA from a very small school, like Florida Atlantic. You know, it all kind of points to, gonna need a lot of proof to get me to believe that this is gonna be a big deal. That he's gonna be a good football player. Year one, he graded out really well, but he only played 38 snaps. Year two, he played 415 snaps, which is decent, but only a 58 grade. Then he played half that 260, and it was a good grade. Then he had a bad grade, but only 28 snaps. Then he had an okay grade, but it was only 200 snaps. This past year, 408 snaps, 86 grade, 89 coverage grade. That's pretty phenomenal. 255 coverage snaps. He gave up 16 receptions, 163 yards,

5:13one touchdown, one pick, nine pass breakups, 57.2, passer rating went targeted. Now, in his career, he has given up 69 receptions, 867 yards, nine touchdowns, four interceptions, 16 pass breakups, 87.7, passer rating went targeted. Now, four of those touchdowns sound bad. Four of those nine, about half, came in 2021. Not a great year for him. Since then, it's been about one a year. He's also had just, so just over one a year for touchdowns, just under one a year for interceptions since then. But also, since we're talking about outliers, the nine pass breakups is also a bit of an outlier for 2025. But anyway, who tomorrow is fast and furious day Packers, obviously in the cornerback market, we'll see how aggressive they decide to be. As I said, corner seems to be one of the biggest needs. If things continue as they are,

6:14then maybe don't expect anything big. And when I say continue as they are, I basically just mean the Packers have put out a vibe of, you know, I don't know, we're good. Based on what they've done with their offensive line and their cuts and their resigning and everything else. It's been very, everything's fine. Just relax. Very very Ted Thompsony. This, by the way, would be a pretty minor addition and wouldn't really give us a ton of direction about where we're headed as far as the draft is concerned. Other than this is a body that we like better than other bodies to come in and compete. Then we have this note, which I'm bringing it up. Well, for relatively obvious reasons, but I guess I just completely missed the boat on this one. The Travis Kelsey saga. I've been saying I hope this guy retires. Not that he's really been all that great the last several years. His production has been, well, I shouldn't necessarily say production. I don't really, let me look and just see if that's accurate.

7:16His play has been declined. Yeah, his production certainly. 2023 was kind of the last year of his elite play. 2016 to 2023. And then 2020, he went from 1,300 yards to 998. He went from eight touchdowns to four. Went from an 88 grade to a 72. And then this past year, 851 yards, five touchdowns, 74 receiving grade. So still, still solid. But he ain't that dude. Anyways, the reason that is interesting is I keep seeing always coming back. He's coming back. Cool. What I missed apparently was this. The athletic reports Travis Kelsey's representatives are expected to talk to multiple teams when the legal tampering period begins this week. Kelsey is set to be a free agent when the new league year begins. And while it sounds like he'll be returning for a 14th season, he will likely shop his services to other teams before deciding whether to re-up with the chiefs.

8:18Although it's still be surprising to see Kelsey play for another team and what could be his final season, there will likely be plenty of teams lining up to speak with the future Hall of Famer. Kelsey caught 76 passes for 851 yards and five touchdowns last season on 108 targets. While he's taking a step back in recent years, his production relative to the position continues to come at a high level. Rumors of potential suitors are sure to emerge once the legal tampering period opens on Monday, which could make for an interesting start to free agency. It's the same thing as always. It's unlikely that the Packers are going to bring him in. But we have talked about the reality that the Packers are probably going to want to find a second tight end. I shouldn't be so sure of that anymore. Again, the Packers seem very content with everything that they have right now. But you can't deny Tucker Kraft and Travis Kelsey on the field together would be pretty exciting.

9:19We'll see what happens there. Then some very minor Chicago Bears news. They resigned defensive lineman Daniel Hardy to a two-year contract, former seventh-round pick. He's played and earned 853 special team snaps, blah, blah, blah. Not a big deal. Pretty run-of-the-mill minor Bears news. As for the Vikings, ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports the Eagles are believed to have inquired about Vikings' ed rocher, Jonathan Grenard. This would be a contingency plan for the Eagles if they lost Jalen Phillips to the open market. The Vikings are looking for a day too pick to move Grenard per Fowler. With the sticking point being that Grenard wants a contract adjustment. This is the first smoke we've seen on Grenard actually moving since Adam Schefter reported the Vikings were open to trading him. So, yeah, Vikings are, you know, I don't know if he's going to move. I can't imagine they get a second forum. But, you know, who knows what the price is these days? Bottom line is the Vikings. And it's probably a good thing to be honest.

10:19It seemed to be in a complete and total tear down. And the obvious good news for us is that, well, in the long run, this is probably the best and only way for them to ever get back on their feet. In the short run, this probably means they're not going to be good for a year or two. Probably at least two, unless some, you know, real good GMing happens. But again, they're not even going to have a GM until after this draft. So the new GM's first draft isn't going to be until 2027. But let's take our first break here. And when we get back, we got actual Packer stuff, which is most of what there is to talk about today. Fortunately, we'll take a break. We'll be right back. So, when I ask, what does Odo? What comes to mind? Well, Odo is a bit of everything. Odo is a suite of business management software that some people say is like fertilizer because of the way it promotes growth. But you know, some people also say Odo is like a magic bean stock because it grows with your company and is also magically affordable.

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13:21Shout out to Anthony who joined up on Patreon. Just for those that are curious, by the way, I've said this before, but there is a free tier, so you can join over at patreon.com, forward slash pack underscore daddy. Occasionally, I will drop stuff that's just completely free, and it's over there. Then there are paid tiers. There's really not a distinction between the paid tiers. It's just kind of, if you want to support, there's a lot of tiers there, so that whatever you can offer is appreciated. No real extra perks or anything for higher up tiers. It's just, you know, give what you can. Okay, it's actually kind of interesting because I'm not used to being in a position of seeing the Packers players being talked at weight a minute. What? Those are trading to Ron Johnson to the Raiders. Funny because I see Ian Rappaport just tweeted it and deleted it real quick. Well, there's a corner that was available via trade,

14:21apparently he's going to the Raiders. Anyways, I'm not used to seeing Packers players being talked about in terms of this really good player is going to go sign over here for this much money. And I don't want to overstate it, but I don't like it. I understand it will probably contribute to compensatory picks and all that kind of goodness and everything, at least in some cases. But at the same time, I, you know, you start by asking the question, why are we never in that conversation? Why is it never Packers players like Romeo Dobbs is getting interest over here or this guy could be signing over here. This guy might go over here. It's because the Packers have always been a team to retain their players. Now, that's not necessarily everybody sometimes. You know, they get to be 30 years old. They might still have some value. The Packers don't want them. Whatever the case may be. But Romeo Dobbs, for example, is a really weird situation.

15:24Romeo feels to me like a guy that the Packers would never give up. And you know, he, you know, Packers said they'd try to retain him and all that stuff. We'll see how it goes. But it's just, again, I'm, I'm not trying to like trash good accounts for something that's silly. And I don't know if this is something that's avoidable if it's a process thing. You know, maybe we stacked up too many receivers. Maybe we got too lucky with receivers. I don't know exactly what it is. But we found ourselves in a situation where we have talent and we're going to let it walk right out the door because we would end up spending too much money on a particular position. And it just feels like this is value that we finally, it's, you know, it's not easy finding value in the draft and, you know, drafting and developing and all that stuff. So when you get it, you don't let it go. But we're in a position now where the smart thing probably is to let it go. And now the rest of the league is out there

16:24licking their chops going, ooh, I can't wait to get my hands on that guy. I'm not saying it's elite blue chip talent. But I think you could probably apply that to Rashid Walker. You could potentially even apply that to Rashad Gary to be completely honest. And I know a lot of Packer fans wouldn't agree, but I think if his contract was a little bit different, I don't know that we be having this conversation necessarily. Again, I feel like a pay cut could have been an option, but they can't really explore that given his current contract. I just don't think it would help them enough. So, you know, in the end, it might end up being fine and we'll get some good compensatory stuff and all that. You know, we'll see how it all plays out in the end. But I don't know. It's just, it's a very weird situation to see so many Green Bay Packers being on this side of it because usually, you know, again, there's three categories of free agents. There's Packers guys that we let go for very obvious Packers-y reasons.

17:25Sometimes we like them, sometimes we don't, but it's always a very Packer-y reason. They're, you know, 31 or something. There are free agents that we retain. And then there's everybody else that's out there. All the other players and, you know, guys that end up hitting the market. But I feel like, for example, Romeo Dobbs just really doesn't fit that mold and it's a very weird situation to be in. Anyways, I just want to throw that out there. Again, I don't know necessarily that anything could have been done. It might just be a situation as we, because we've been talking about this for a while with the wide receivers. It's just kind of too many hits in a row at wide receiver. And you can't pay them all. I will say, though, I think if we do keep Romeo Dobbs it may signal something. I want to get into actually some of the news. But just keep that in the back of your mind as we go here. This is kind of the first thing that I saw in regards to saying this is kind of weird to see like somebody Packers free agents out there. ESPN's Jeremy Fowler links the Patriots, commanders, Titans, and 49ers to wide receiver Romeo Dobbs.

18:26Dobbs will definitely hit the market per Fowler. Again, it doesn't mean the Packers are necessarily giving up. It may be a go test. The market come back to me kind of thing. Obviously leaning in a certain direction. But again, just keep it in your back pocket. Likely profiles as the second best receiver after Alec Pierce and could be in for a pretty big payday of his own. This is essentially the same list of teams that have been linked to Pierce by Fowler in the column minus the Raiders. Dobbs is entering age 26 season. That's crazy. It should retain value throughout his free agent contract. And that, honestly, that whole test, the market can come back to me. Think that that's probably real. And if we're being honest, the most likely outcome is that he is going to probably get paid by somebody more than the Packers are willing to offer. I do think, and again, we'll get there, there is a chance that the Packers want to keep him. And not just because this isn't typically the guy that they let go. In fact, let me just skip down here

19:26and see, let me just find this note here so we can jump right into it. So there was a note here from Eastern Butler, and this is also from Jeremy Fowler. I don't know, he must have just done an article or something that popped up in a bunch of news, isn't it? But Eastern Butler says, Packers wide receiver Dantavian Wicks has come up in trade talks per Jeremy Fowler. That's also by itself interesting news. But then there was this. Teams are also interested in wide receiver Jayden Reed with Green Bay unwilling to trade him. So it sounds like that's kind of the end of it. You know, teams are calling about Reed, and apparently everyone's saying, nope, we're not trading him. Well, there's seems to be more, and this isn't necessarily coming from the team, at least as far as I can find. I've been digging as much as I can. I see nothing here. But I know it was, who is it? I think it's Bukowski says, did it do? Says, they gauged the market last season on Reed,

20:26but they'd be selling low on him after the injury. So I don't know where that is coming from. They gauged the market last off season on Reed. But it is entirely possible that that is the case. And I think some of the speculation circles around whether or not Matthew Golden is seen as a slot guy. And a lot of people want to pigeonhole him that in that, I don't. I think it is, and it's not necessarily the case that people are doing this, but if people are doing this where he needs to be a slot because he's short, that's stupid. But I just, I guess wonder if they are looking at it from a standpoint of we're not sure we want to pay Reed this massive hunk of money. And would consider letting this year play out and see how it goes. Now, it's, it's kind of lose, lose either way, because if you say, well, we don't want to move him this year because he had an injury and all this stuff, and so the value isn't there.

21:26Well, either next year he has an injury again or doesn't perform very well in which case that was stupid or he doesn't get injured and performs very well. And then why would you get rid of him? Unless again, Matthew Golden is being pigeonholed as a slot receiver in which case we have Watson as your speed guy on the outside. You got your slot guy in Golden, and then your extra see for his what? Which brings us back to the Romeo Dobbs conversation. I guess kind of coming at it from the different angle, my assumption that we have to move on from Romeo Dobbs largely comes from the fact that Tucker Craft, Christian Watson and Jaden Reader guaranteed to get massive paid checks. If you remove one of those variables, it suddenly starts to make sense why the Packers would pursue Romeo Dobbs. With that said, again, I don't know that we're going to get any clarity on that because I don't think even if they want him, he's coming back. Still interesting, and interesting, and I guess a little bit frustrating, just from the standpoint of once again,

22:27they're going in a very different direction than I, they potentially are going in a very different direction than I would wish. But let us not gloss over the other part. Packers, wide receiver, Dantavian Wix has come up in trade talks. This one I don't mind at all. The only thing that's a little bit aggravating would be the fact that if we lose Romeo and Wix, it puts us in a little bit of a bind. Injury, prone, read, injury, prone, Watts, and then Matthew Golden, and Tucker Kraft coming off in Savian. If everybody's healthy, I'm perfectly fine with that unit, and you can put whoever you want in there as additional depth, but I think honestly, if you're able to get any amount of value for Dantavian Wix, I think it's probably worth exploring because I just even without Romeo Dobbs, I just don't see a massive role for him. The full quote from Jeremy Fowler is Baltimore's Rashad Bateman, LA's Quentin Johnson, and Green Bay's Dantavian Wix have come up in my talk.

23:29As far as what my talks mean, it just says Brown isn't the only receiver potentially available. So presumably he's just talking about the talks he's had with other people about who might be available. Again, what that fully means, I don't know, is he talking to the Packers? Is he talking to other teams that have mentioned, yeah, the Packers are shopping Dantavian Wix? I don't know fully what that all means. Anywho, in other news, Jeremy Fowler also says the Packers' edge, Rashad Gary, is a name to watch for the Bengals. Gary claimed he was hacked on Friday after a graphic announcing his departure from the Packers' posted to his account, but the drumbeat from Packers' Beats has been that he's available. Fowler notes that Bengals' defensive line coach, Jerry Montgomery, coached Gary in Green Bay. He did. The Bengals could certainly do worse as they look to move on from Trey Hendrickson. Here's a vote of confidence for you. Well, good be worse. It's what I always say after something great happened.

24:30Good be worse. Then for the news item of the day, the Packers are doing a simple restructure of offensive guard Aaron Banks, contract to reduce his $24.8 million cap hit per source. He's due $7.7 base and $9.5 million roster bonus, which the team can promote. Excuse me, pro rate. That doesn't make any sense. Then the next part of it goes into news we haven't talked about yet, so I'll leave that alone. So what does that mean? Well, again, we'll see what happened. I mean, I have to see what happened with Sean Gary and Elton Jenkins. Because my thought process on this is once you do those two things, you don't really need more. Is it possible that they're pushing a lot of money because they want a lot of money because they're going to be aggressive and free agency? Maybe. Someone is at the front door.

25:31Thank you. Are they doing this because they actually don't want to free up a bunch of money that they're still trying to work with Sean Gary and Elton Jenkins or something? That would seem unlikely. But maybe. Maybe they're doing it because they haven't reached any deals yet and they're kind of worried and so they're like, let's just pull the trigger on this, this, this, this, to try to free up a little bit of money here so that we're cap compliant just on the off chance, X, Y, and Z does or doesn't happen. But it just all seems so odd to me. You don't have to do this right now. You don't have to do the Xavier McKinney thing right now. Let's, let's move on from Sean Gary and Elton Jenkins and we're pretty good. And then if you want to do some other stuff, I guess you can, but whatever. Ultimately what that does is it's going to give us a little bit of extra money and the other very big thing it does is it solidifies that the Packers are very high on him.

26:31They're very happy with the nearly $20 million that was given to a freaking guard and are confident that it was the injuries that set him back last year, not just the fact that he's a bad football player, which again, I will say he did have the worst year of his career via PFF and I'm sure the injury played into that. However, he still wasn't ever very good. But anyhow, this will, because of this restructure, make it impossible to move him for the next couple of years. He's not only not going anywhere this year, it's not physically possible for that to happen. So we have a first round draft pick that is our left tackle. So that's probably locked up for a couple of years. We have a guard in banks that's probably going to be locked into that position for a couple of years. We have Zach, Zach, Zach Tom locked in at right tackle for the foreseeable future. We have a second round pick at right guard

27:31that you would assume would get a couple of years. I can't imagine he's so terrible they move on by next year, but maybe probably not. And then center, as we'll talk about, also has pretty much been solved, at least for a little while. But the bottom line is we are locked in to this offensive line. And it is once again the exact same message we've been talking about the entire time. Everything's fine. Nothing went wrong. Let's run it back. But as far as these specific details to my knowledge, banks, four year, $77 million deal, have been scheduled to have a cap hit of $25 million. They converted about $16 million, which is the full $9.5 million roster bonus, and about $6.5 million of the base salary into a restructure bonus. Meaning his cap hit is going to be reduced to about $12 million, which is going to save almost $13 million in cap space.

28:32They also added two void years at the end, which is pretty standard practice, but is not my favorite thing necessarily. But a lot of that depends how this thing ends. Why don't we take our final break? I want to talk about the center situation with Sean Ryan, which is kind of the big news of the day. And then I just take a minute to talk about tomorrow. Because again, it's entirely possible that you're going to see two guys walk out the door and Roshan Gary and Elton Jenkins. That's going to open up a bunch of money, especially when you consider what happened with Aaron Banks and Xavier McKinney. So take a break. We'll be right back. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing. Another checkered flag for the books. Time to celebrate with Chamba. Jump in at ChambaCasino.com. Let's Chamba. No purchase necessary. BTW Group. Boy, we're prohibited by law.

29:32CCNC. 21 plus. Sponsored by Chamba Casino. All right. So as I alluded to, our offensive line situation is pretty well locked in. I think center is one of the bigger, so far question marks again. The rookies will have to see maybe they'll move on relatively early. I'm guessing not. Center, however, the Packers have made a decision on. It's kind of what I was expecting. It's more money than I was expecting, but they did end up bringing back Sean Ryan. I said this before. The fact that they're moving on from Elton Jenkins gives me the distinct feeling that they're going to pay Sean Ryan. What I didn't expect is that he's actually going to cost a decent chunk of money. They paid him three years, $33 million. Of that $11 million is a signing bonus. $11 million is guaranteed. The annual average salary obviously being $11 million.

30:35Now, what exactly does that mean? It's kind of straightforward, and I don't think we know much else beyond what was said, but just think about the last two parts. Only 11 of the 33 is actually guaranteed. So 22 million of this is completely just poof. It can go away at any point. What is the other part? We gave him $11 million signing bonus. What does that mean? That means we cut him a check for $11 million. We guaranteed him $11 million. We've already paid him $11 million. How much is left on his contract that's guaranteed? $0. The structure and everything else kind of just plays into how much the salary cap is going to be this year, and how much it would cost to cut him next year. Those are really the only two big questions that I care about as far as this contract is concerned, but the bottom line is, this is absolutely 1000% a one year deal. So it's kind of, again, I think it's kind of a high price tag,

31:38but they can get out of it relatively soon and relatively easily. They're not going to do that this year. But could they get out by next year? I see absolutely no reason whatsoever that they couldn't. I mean, what would the bear minimum be? You take the $11 million divided by the three years. It's like $3.67 million. The league minimum salary is $1.215 million. So with all the other crap that's in there, the minimum that he would, that it would cost on our cap would be about $5 million. So at worst next year, if we move on, it would be like a $6 million cap hit, which is entirely doable. And the biggest reason, you know, obviously it's the easiest way to look at this is they like Sean Ryan. I wish they didn't, but they do. And so we're stuck with him forever, just like Aaron Banks. Aaron Banks just got locked into multiple years. Sean Ryan got locked up to a one year deal with the option to,

32:38hey, if you knock our socks off slash, we don't find any replacements. We will be obligated to continue paying you this nonsense, which ultimately means we'll give you one more year on this deal where we pay that salary. I don't think it's fair to say that it's prohibitive that we would draft a center this year. I don't, I don't really see that at all. You could, you could, I mean, it's borderline. But, and I'm talking early, obviously, and you can draft anything rounds, you know, I don't know, five, six, seven for sure, day three. I think with the more valuable picks, rounds one, two, three, and then for Packer fans four because we actually find value there. The conversation of how early is too early after just paying Sean Ryan, I don't know, I mean, two does feel a little out there.

33:40But that's for multiple reasons. The fact that we just signed him to a relatively hefty contract is not nothing, but it's not the whole picture. Number one, it's a low value position. Compare to some of the other ones. Number two, the Packer's view this as, okay, our offensive line is essentially set as compared to other positions that they probably don't necessarily view as set, pending what happens in free agency. And so when you look at it, compared to, for example, probably the number one priority of cornerback, all things being equal, if we have a corner and a center that we like close to equal in the second round, it's an automatic, they're going corner. And there might even be other positions as well that they'd be more interested in. Ed Rusher, maybe defensive tackle, unless they're talking about a one-tack, which we might be, even then, they might see it as more so, because Ganon's probably banging the table for that, more so than, you know, MATLA Flores for a center.

34:42So again, I don't think it's prohibitive. I don't think it signals that we're locked into this for the long term. But I do think we have limited picks and I think we have, at this point, larger needs. Whether I agree with that assessment doesn't matter. I'm kind of basing it on what I'm guessing, the packers are viewing this as. So the final thing I wanted to mention here, and by the way, I just realized it's 10 after 10 and I have not started packing that after dark, so I apologize we're going to miss that again. I don't know. I lost track of time there, a little bit, folks. If we're going to talk free agency, and again, tune in tomorrow if there's any news or anything I'll be doing. It won't be obviously live, but it'll do some breaking news stuff as it happens. One guy has stood out so far to me as you could make the case for several,

35:42but as a prime target for the packers. Now, he is 29, heaven forbid, but given good accounts, seeming passion for the cornerback position and wanting to go out and find that dude, the one guy that I can't take my eyes off of is Jamel Dean. Jamel Dean has been one of the more consistent players in the NFL just based off of his PFF grade. If you just look at his coverage grade, 79, 79, 75, 76, 73, 75, 76, that is the epitome of consistency. As far as any schematic issues, there's absolutely no schematic issues with Jamel Dean and Jonathan Ganon, not that Jamel Dean couldn't fit basically anywhere, but if you're going to cut a check for a guy, I can't think of anyone at the cornerback position specifically,

36:45but considering it's one of our biggest needs if not biggest, I can't think of anybody I'd be more excited about off the top of my head and a little bit of digging than Jamel Dean. Now, it's unlikely to come cheap. Spotrach has him at 12.4 million, that would be an absolute steal. I doubt it's that low. PFF expects him to sign roughly a three year 55 million dollar deal which would be 18 per year. That would be much more of what I would expect him to sign for. As of right now, the biggest names popping up are not the Green Bay Packers. The giants are number one on the list. There's reports from Conor Hughes that they're going to go after him hard. Other teams, unfortunately, but it makes sense. The Lions, I would say the Vikings, but they have no money, but similar situation. Lions need cornerback help desperately and can afford it. Steelers, Cowboys, Rams, likewise. Still, that dude's up at the top.

37:45As for defensive tackle, there's a lot of options. None of them are great. In other words, you're not going to find a 26 year old elite, 335 pound guy, but there are plenty of options. One of them would be DJ Reader. DJ Reader has spent the last two years in Detroit. His run defense grades have been average, which honestly is not terrible, considering what we've been dealing with. If you can give me a 61 or 62 grade, I will take that any day of the week. The other thing to consider though is that he's been in the 70s and 80s every single year, and yes, age is a factor, but it was a massive drop off once he got to Detroit in 24 and 25. I think it's entirely possible that it is a schematic problem that possibly getting to a different scheme could get him a little bit of a bump back up. I personally would be entirely okay with a signing like that. We've already got Dalvin Tomlinson, as I mentioned, the guy that was with Ganon last year, I think that's going to be the easiest connection

38:47to just one to one that thing. He is 32 years old, and PFF absolutely despises him for sure, but that would be kind of an easy no-brainer, I guess. I mean, I don't want to say that in such a way that it sounds like we should definitely do it. But, you know, I mean, he had some juice as early as 2024 in Cleveland. I don't know if the Ganon thing just didn't work, or maybe it was just all the injuries. I don't know. I don't know. I wouldn't be super excited, but I could see it happening. I don't know if they'd have interest in him, but David Ann Yamada. He's not a traditional sort of agap kind of a guy, but his run defense is always very high. So I would just love to try it out. Anybody that can get greater out as a good run defender is somebody I'm definitely interested in. Dequan Jones. Dude is 34, so you can almost completely rule it out. But I think he would be a solid option. 64320. Been grading out as at least average for a while now in run defense.

39:50Kalea's Campbell would be hilarious. He was also in Arizona last year with Ganon. Still grading out relatively high, although it was a pretty big dip this past year in Arizona again with Ganon. But as early as 2024, the guy said 86 run defense grade 66 pass rush grade. He had about 10% pressure rate and five sacks in Miami before Atlanta having seven sacks and Baltimore. I mean, the guy is an absolute freak. He's going to be 40, 40, but he's still better than all of our defensive linemen. So I am not ruling that out at all. Again, not really a one tech type of guy, but whatever. Now the guy mentioned before was Tonga. He was in Arizona in 2024 with Ganon. Doesn't grade out spectacularly well, but he's not quite 30 years old yet. He is the 64340 pound guy that we know again. Ganon is a fan of granted they let him go to New England

40:51after his one year, but that's certainly an option. Familiarity with the scheme, et cetera, et cetera. So any who I just want to go over those two things. Packers could go in a lot of different directions. We could see guys leaving. There could be trades. There could be all kind of stuff. I did want to talk about a trade situation potentially with the Eagles, but we'll leave that alone. And if it happens, I'll just say I'll shock. I should have talked about it. But I am going to leave it at that 1030. I got to get these kids here to bed. But again, apologize about packing that after dark. I don't know how time slipped away from me like that. But y'all have a good rest of your night. I'll talk to you tomorrow or day or whatever. I'll talk to you later. Bye-bye.