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1:02Allegedly, according to that thing, we call a calendar and know I'm not having a stroke. That's the date. Anyway, how you doing? It's Friday night and we are alive just about five minutes after 8 p.m. Eastern here in what we used to call America. So I did manage to release a couple of podcasts this week. And one of them was with Larry Hancock. And unfortunately, you know, part of the discussion with Larry didn't go well. But upgrades are a common. So sometime in April, we should be on a completely different platform. Also, still on the existing platforms as per usual, just expanding. And we're going to see what happens when the hotel effect goes live on rumble because I'm not going to bother with YouTube, which is an unfortunate thing. But look, Google told me I'm unwanted. So therefore, we're not going there anyway. It's going to be an interesting test and not only from my dwindling audience, but for the people I partner with, and we're going to see who puts in some skin into the game

2:03because that's the only way the game is going to get played from now on. And oh, in that regard, we do have Aaron coming live at 10 p.m. Eastern tonight. So the age of transitions will happen. And then Uncle, the podcast will be alive also at 11 p.m. Eastern. So stick around and keep listening to the Ocelli.com radio feed if you're here in this live. And if not, you're hearing a podcast. And that stuff is likely on the feed or soon to be there. Anyway, there it is. There it was. And that's what it is. You can join in with this. If you like, you, me, my co-host, BP is with me. And you can do that too. 319-527-5016. That's the number to call. And when we go over to the video thing, I was just telling BP, we're going to figure out a way to put one of those banners that keeps running by, that keeps telling you the number to call in, which I think Aaron does on the stream for Uncle already on the various platforms. And we'll see how many things we can plug into,

3:03maybe with Riverside as our offsite software. And we'll see if that's the conduit for us. But a whole year, that's going to be paid for by an anonymous benefactor. So we shall see how that goes. And see if I get rejected over there. I have a feeling not so much. I think we're going to actually rebuild the audience that has slowly been destroyed over the past couple of years. Because we're down to just a couple of thousand people, really. And at one point, it's more like 100,000 people listening to what it is I was doing. But now audio, not in vogue, you've got to be out there with a YouTube channel. That's the only way to be somebody, apparently. That and have an interesting Twitter account, oh, excuse me, X account, you know, and put on douchebags like Bart Subrell to tell you that the moon landing was baked. You know, that's the key to success, Joe Rogan.

4:05Well, that and also to declare yourself to King of Comedy, even though you're not funny. But anyway, you know, it is a thing. And podcasting is now not just a joke. It is something else. And is there alternative media? Maybe we'll get into that discussion tonight. And my annoyance with a whole bunch of emails from people who seem to think that it's a surprise to me that I was correct again about what's happening to the mainstream corporate media. But you know, I'm getting bored with this. You hate me because I tell you something you don't want to hear. Six months later, you'll figure out it's happening. Then you email me and tell me you're sorry. You didn't support me for six months. And guess what the punchline is? You still don't support me. So, you know, you're not getting your emails read on air. I do read all the crap in the box, though. It's that simple. If you actually supported me, I might read or reference your emails. Just ask my friends who do that. Anyway, enough of the personal stuff.

5:07Let's try to have some fun. Because I don't want to discuss the state of the union. I already made my statement about that. I gave you guys a snafu news with as a little commentary from me as possible. You got Larry Hancock this week and now BP. So, you know, my co-host who is going to carry over to the new platform and hopefully we'll bring Aaron and Uncle over there as well. But who knows who else might join the network in the transitional period, which I hope to begin in April. So stick around and listen, pay attention, and watch for the media spheres for that. Anyways, so now that I put in a nice long plug for about, eh, what, four minutes almost. BP, how are you doing this week before we get to any callers or anything? Because God knows what they might have to say this week. Um, I'm doing well, but it's, I spent a regular monsoon here all week. I haven't been in. We're gonna have much done outside. It's been raining off and on every damn day for five days. But other than that, we're doing well.

6:09Spring is getting ready to kick in. So should be getting busy with a lot of stuff, a lot of projects that got lined up. And other than that, I just got a list of five things that I picked up during the week that maybe we can discuss tonight if somebody wants to call in and discuss any of them. And so I'll start my list real quick. Number one, the team USA hockey team. One gold, 46 years after we beat the last communist country that we played. Canada's, you know, trying to be the bigger sport, but a neater, neater, we don't give a damn. We won't, one, I'll leave it at that. Oh, two, the state of the union. I didn't watch it. I don't care. All I know is my pizza indexes telling us we're getting screwed royally. You used to get three tombstone pizzas for 10 bucks. Now you're lucky if you can find two for 10 bucks. It's getting ridiculous. Number three, in the UK, turmoil, they just had an election. They've got their grape gangs going on, you know,

7:11if you know what I mean. Tommy Robinson had to flee. And to tell you the power of suggestion, I was listening to the Red Hot Chili Peppers when I wrote that down and spelled flee F-L-E-A. Go figure. Okay. Let's see what else we got. Oh, the 2003 Bohemian Grove attendance list has been released by a journalist named Daniel Boguslaw. So I downloaded that and I'm gonna peruse that sometime in the next few days, just to figure out who was buddying up with who. And number five, and this one may be the most important. The rock and roll hall of fame. Now, they've only been around since 86 receiving inductees. And I think they started out on a good note, but there's been some questionable picks over the years. And that is they have nominated Shakira for a position.

8:13I believe Luther Vandross was also one of the people that they're, you know, nominating for induction. And controversies aside, for years has been said that a bunch of non-music people are showing favoritism when they make these selections. But I found out some things about Shakira, I didn't know. That woman is 50 years old. Now, anybody, the feminine skincare beauty products business is a multi-billion dollar business. All you gotta do is go ask Shakira, whatever the hell she's been doing and do that. I have never seen a more well-preserved 50 year old anything than her. She doesn't look a day over her late 20s. She's awesome. But on top of that, you know, to be considered, you have to go 25 years since your first commercial release. And she had, I think four albums, yeah, four albums out

9:13before she even hit the English market. She was predominantly on the Latin market. In fact, she's probably more influential than a lot of people you would think for bringing Latin music into the mainstream. She's had, at four Grammys, she's had 15, I believe, Latin Grammys. She started in 1991 at 14 years old. Does Shakira count as rock and roll? And that's my big question. Okay. So shall I go front to back or back to front on your list and explain to you how it is that we are so different, which is going to make this partnership really, really interesting as we go forward. Because, you know, for many years, I tried to change your mind. And I've now decided that instead, what I'm going to do is my very best effort to weaponize what it is that you are insisting on.

10:15So, but in the meantime, I want to demonstrate the difference in our thinking really quickly here. So shall I go with your top of your list or the bottom of your list first? Oh, I don't care. You can mix it, mix them up if you want. A little from Colomé, a little from Colomé. Okay. Well, just keep me on track here. Let's start with the first thing you mentioned, which I believe was the Olympic hockey team and the victory of the men. And I think you mentioned the men, but I don't know if you mentioned the women's hockey. But either way, hockey team was last week. Okay. Yeah, they had already gotten their medal by last Friday. Right. We didn't win our gold until Sunday. Yeah. Well, because this has never been anything other than a weapon of propaganda and an encouragement of tribalism, I see almost no relevance in this. I mean, do people actually still like swell? Oh, yes, team USA won. Yeah, USA, I mean, I know we saw that performatively on Capitol Hill. But I mean, I don't believe most of the performances

11:17I see there. I mean, literally we just watched, you know, the Epstein here is go sideways with Hillary Clinton come out with a straight face saying, I do nothing. So, you know, what are we supposed to believe here? Is that a real relevance to you, to anybody in reality? Or is that just one of those like remnants of a time when we still had an idea about a national identity that didn't put us at each other's throats necessarily? I mean, what are your thoughts on that? Is it relevant even? And why is it relevant to you? That's my question. Ch-ch-ch-ch-cham-ma. Looking for excitement? Chamba Casino is here. Play any time, play anywhere. Play on the train, play at the store, play at home, play when you're bored. Play today for your chance to win and get daily bonuses when you log in. So, why are you waiting for or don't delay? Chamba Casino is free to play. Experience social gameplay like never before. Go to Chamba Casino right now to play hundreds of games, including online slots,

12:18bingo, slingo and more, live the Chamba Life at chambacasino.com. for just necessary VGW group void for prohibited by law 21 plus terms and conditions apply. Hi, this is Alex Cantrowitz. I'm the host of Big Technology podcast, a long-time reporter and an on-air contributor to CNBC. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world and our lives. So each week on Big Technology, I bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it. Asking where this is all going, they come from places like Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon, and plenty more. So if you want to be smart with your wallet, your career choices, and meetings with your colleagues, and at dinner parties, listen to Big Technology podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Well damn, I didn't know I was going to get the third degree. Go ahead and get a rubber hose out and cut the lamp on. Um, it's sports. You're not a sports fan. So, but I am, don't get it, but I am not a hockey fan. No, we just took a gold medal from the one country who does nothing

13:2324, 7, 365, but play hockey and we just whoop their ass. Okay. So it was a hard thought battle and we won. Yeah, but that's not about the game. I'm asking about this whole weafing. Why is it a weed? They have this not about the game. Okay. What do you mean we? Oh, I understand. Oh, I never slapped a puck in the game. So how can I consider being a part of a US national team support? No, I'm accepting. No, we went through this over to Panthers when I pitched about our draft picks and what we did with them and how we didn't capitalize on having a quarterback that just played in the Super Bowl. Thank you very much. Right. So I don't want to hear it. Right. If you can't, if that's if that's a tribe that you don't want to be a part of and you don't understand, then culturally you are missing out. It's a good thing. Okay. So I don't understand it. I can't explain it. No, see, I like certain sports. I appreciate the performance. I

14:27appreciate the skill level. I find it remarkable that we are actually alive in the time of Shohei Otani. You know, just saying and I used to love the New York Rangers even though they didn't win. I loved them because of their character, the way they played, the fact that they were kind of dirty and nasty and they still couldn't pull it off even when they tried to bring Gretzky in there and they had Mario Lemieux and it was amazing. It was you know, Gretzky. Now, there's there's a source spot. The Canadians for the the whole time during the Olympics when they showed a picture of Gretzky while he was watching games or around the site. He was getting booed left and right by Canadians. Why? He played roughly half of his career for Canadian teams. He was one of Edwin's and Oilers and right, but when he decided to retire, he retired to the US and that's got him all pissed off. They can't stand it. So Gretzky is really a bad word in Canada

15:30yet, but just because he moved where the money was and capitalized on his talent, I mean, is that not what you do? Is if you have a talent to sell and you can market it, is that not, you know, a worldwide something that should be celebrated? If you have a talent that doesn't harm anyone that happens to entertain people and it is marketable, who the hell is anybody else to tell him not to take it somewhere else where automatically the exchange gets you better paid? I mean, you know, and Gretzky argue with it. You know, it's like Michael Jordan. You might not like him, but damn, you got to say he was an incredible player, right? I mean, Mike Tyson, despicable human being, awesome to watch fight. I mean, I'm just saying there is something to say. Side note on Michael Jordan, his NASCAR team last weekend just won their first race. Cool. But, you know, and that's a weird mix right there. And there's this whole weird meme thing that went on recently about, you know, white people in NASCAR, but I'm not even going to get into that.

16:34But here's the thing. I appreciate the businesses sports. I appreciate the actual sport itself without the money and all that. I'm just asking about the tribalism and why it is that you just kind of gone into that. I mean, let's just look at your heritage for say, right? You know, before you were American. I was going to ask a new one question. Okay. Let me cancel my question. Go ahead. Go ahead. Explain something. Sure. All right. The US versus Canada in hockey at the Olympics is nothing more than basically the NHL North playing the NHL South. Right. Right. So you can look at it from that point of rivalry too. I mean, the half of the teams are made up Canadians. Nothing wrong with that. But we had a bunch of homegrown guys that put it on the ice. They left it on the ice and they played extraordinary. There was some excellent hockey in that whole series. Okay.

17:39That no arguments there. I did not, you know, I was not invested in the tribalism. It didn't motivate me to find a way to watch the stream. It was complicated to be honest with you. So, you know, I didn't see it. But I've watched hockey just to watch hockey, you know, because it's going on. And it's fascinating when people are skilled. That's for sure. It's just the investment of tribalism. And that's another interesting point, by the way, is the team USA thing, you know, for a long, long time it used to be, if you were a professional athlete, you couldn't be in the Olympics, right? You had to be an amateur. You had to be somebody who relied on other people to support you in a weird sort of convoluted way as opposed to being a directly paid professional. That's how you got disqualified from being in the Olympics at one point. And then that's sort of switched, right? And we have team USA basketball. We had the major league players, you know, famously. I'll be honest. Yeah. Go ahead. I'll be honest. I think they should go back to amateur status. I don't think they should allow pros. But the problem is, and this started the whole argument,

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19:44sound way smarter at dinner. Subscribe to cool stuff daily now because the future is happening fast and it's way too fun to miss. Olympic athletes, that's all they did that was their job. Right, and people were say, well, that how come they're not considered professional. They're being covered by their country. Right. You know, all their expenses, they live a good life. And so that's what brought the argument out. They said, okay, we'll open it up to pros. I mean, look what is done to the summer Olympics in basketball. Now that you got the dream team every year that they call it. Right. Although sometimes it's a nightmare of a dream. But still, I mean, I think that you go back to amateur status. Well, it's hard. It's hard for an athlete to compete around the world to get the recognition to be able to get on these teams to win the, you know, the nationals and this and that. It's hard for them and it's very expensive with travel and everything else. So I can, I can see both sides of it. But to me, the Olympics should be all amateur. That was the whole set

20:45up to begin with because the problem is they've gotten away from the sport and more into the propaganda because of the tribal pride. And therefore, you know, there, there are some people not only are they paid, you know, Olympic athletes, but there are people that are part of their professional teams in their region of the world. We're allowed to compete when we weren't allowing ours. And I remember this whole argument going on when I was much younger because of the team USA baseball. And we assembled a hell of a team. The team USA, if you remember, I think it was like, what 86 or 87 they blasted like every pro we had pretty much they asked to play in the Olympics. Didn't they? So I mean, it was crazy. But, but here's the thing. When you don't have a level playing field, right? And they say, well, we're going to send our young people to play your young people. And their young people are in their 20s. And our young people are in their teens. It usually is not a good matchup or vice versa, right? Or they say, look, we have a pro team. You have a pro team. And our girls show up and their guys show up. This is not a level playing field. I don't care what

21:50anybody says, liberal or conservative about this guy's versus girls in any sport is uneven at best, if not dangerous. So the thing is, you know, at the end of the day, it is more about the tribalism than the sport. So I always find it interesting when people take a secondary or a voyeuristic pride into it. And it's like it's part of them now. Even though you had nothing to do with the corporate sponsorships, you had nothing to do with the people that actually slaved away in order to achieve amateur status to get into the Olympics, to qualify, who dedicated their lives to stuff, you know, and all that. And you weren't invested, but now that they slapped the right colors on these people's chests, which by the way, not all of our players might even necessarily have been born in the USA or whatever else. That's okay, because that's the way the America works, right? We import a lot of people. This is how almost all of us got here. Anyway, you know, and importation could take on many different terms. I don't want to hear about it. The point is,

22:54uh, this is not something that I feel personally vested in. And I'm just always fascinated by somebody who does. So anyway, let's move on to the next one. What was the next thing you brought up in order after, after the Olympics? I didn't watch. I don't care. I don't give a damn. Now, you might find this interesting, but to me, I thought it was perfectly appropriate. And why? Because it matches all of the mainstream rhetoric, and it's just another advertisement, and another opportunity for Trump to have an hour and 47 minute commercial on television, which he has had now for a decade, where he's, you know, constantly on the networks. And oh, by the way, the, the, the liberal media is clearly no longer owned by liberals. But okay, it's cool. But I say, I don't object anything he had to say. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm just saying,

23:55I'm just trying to finish my, my personal view on it. But okay, go ahead. The reason, the reason I didn't watch is because for one, I cannot stand to hear Donald Trump go on about anything. I just, it's just, it's just, it puts me off. His expressions, the weight, and the things that he says, have a, what he says is complete, complete. I'll be glad when he's gone. But I don't understand almost the state of the union. People know the state of the union every day when they have to go buy groceries or when they have to fill up their car or when their insurance premium shoot the roof. And we've got, not according to what he was saying, but they're in Washington. They're supposed to be doing shit for us. Yeah, right. And they're clearly aren't. They clearly don't give a damn true about us. True. So to lit, I'm not going to give an hour and 47 minutes to

25:01an oompa oompa that wants to sit there and show the world what a flaming dorsus is. He is. I just can't do it. Okay. I've seen clips. Okay. You know, but it's, it's the circus. I can't afford the bread anymore to sit there and watch it. Oh, I hear you. But at the same time, it's the same blind tribalism. USA, USA, those chants broke out and oh, by the way, the guys hockey team participated in this after somebody gifted Trump one of the gold medals, by the way. I don't know if he kept it for real or if it was just for the photo op. But I mean, he actually brought those guys out as a special announcement in the midst of the state of the union address while telling us that we are the hottest country ever. We are in the golden age of America. Everything is great, USA, USA. And that he has fixed the economy. Everything is, you know, so much cheaper since he's been in office and all that stuff. And it sounds to me like that's exactly the kind of cheerleading

26:02that you would want to do if you're into the tribal just slap on the official coat of USA, USA for the moment. But, but you disagree with him. Is it because of his narcissism or is it because of the delusional rambling or is it because of the length? What is the big turn off for you? Personally, it's a compliment. Well, the first thing is just having to listen to him. I'm sorry. I don't see how Melania has stayed with him. She must stay in another room. Because if you have to listen to that MF 24-7, I'd be slapping him so hard that hairspray would not straighten out his damn hairdo when I got done. He's just, for a rich man, I mean, if you're going to get up there, he doesn't have to sell anything because he's in office. You know, he can't run again. But, you know, he's going to make the best of it and make it all about Donald. One, I can't stand a narcissist at all. I mean, if you want to get up there and tell the state of the union, tell the state of the union. But if you employ a bunch of people and you're paying them a bunch

27:05of damn tax dollars to do what they're supposed to do, you would think they can fact check a few things before you get up there and start making comments. Well, was it, he said something like three, what was it? 300 million or something people, and I'm sitting there thinking there's only 350 million people in the damn country. Where do you get this 300 million at? And stuff, just little stuff that makes him look so damn stupid on the world stage, they can't get straight for a simple I hate that we have a brain trust that's supposed to be running this country on either side of the aisle. And they're all just a bunch of corrupt politicians who you couldn't, I don't trust them as far as I could throw them. Well, that almost sounds like a liberal complaint because, you know, I was called a liberal for pointing out the fact that he was talking about 1,000 percent decreases in price, which mathematically causes an issue, even if it is run through the new Trump RX website,

28:05which I didn't name it, I didn't name it, I didn't want to call it Trump, the guy who slaps his name on everything said that. I found that to be the most remarkable funny thing. And don't you think fact checkers are a little exhausted from getting yelled at that they have trumped arrangements I mean, I would not bother if that was my business, I would be, you know, working at a drive through somewhere because at least I'd be serving people something they wanted. Nobody wants the fact checking. And the people that know that facts need to be checked here and the facts are not in existence in most of the speech, guess what? They know it automatically so the fact checkers serve no purpose. And it seems to me like it's perfectly appropriate for what the majority seems to have decided in this country is reality. And I got to say there is a scientific basis for the observer changing the reality itself by perception. There's a whole quantum physics argument about this where the physical reality can literally change based on the way people are observing it. And I'm starting to understand the twisted rationalizations of the world around me. But you can

29:11look at the last snafu news for the formula on that hint it does involve agreeing with being in agreements with one another about certain things or not. But anyway, so I just find it interesting because I think it was perfectly appropriate and not even really worthy of commentary for the most part because did you expect anything different? I'm not surprised by any of it. And the fact that he was at least able to set yet another record by making it the longest state of the Union, I think in history or at least in modern history for sure. Time wise, I don't know, it just seems to track. So, you know, the objection and the demonizing the Democrats and pulling out, you know, Team USA as if there were his own personal action figures and all of that and trying to point to, hey, listen, I've got the mother of a murdered person and that's who we're doing the ice thing for over here on the side. And yeah, it all tracks plus even pointing at the, you know,

30:11the Supreme Court, which he says, hey, listen, Supreme Court shot me down, I'm very disappointed. But I'm just going to go ahead and reinstate the tariffs again. All of this tracks, I don't see why there's any shock, surprise or even interest in watching it. So I don't blame you for not watching it. But at the same time, I'm confused by the, you know, still insistence of people about complaining about what, you know, it's like saying, man, I'm going to be real pissed when the sun comes up tomorrow. This is just what's going to happen now. And the only objection I have in your whole set of statements, really, is you really think he's not going to try for a third term? You really think that's not going to happen one way or another? Seriously? No, I don't think so. I don't think his health is going to let him do it. I'm going to go. Do you think that'll be the lone factor that prevents it? Well, that or somebody eventually ends up successful in trying to shoot him.

31:17That's another weird point saying, oh, he's setting things up so that he can take control and, and make this to the authoritarian state. Well, you know, we're already an authoritarian state. It's just that we switch sides as to who's the authority, you know, fair enough for years. Fair enough. I don't know. I don't, I don't think he's going to try. You know, I hate to kick people back into reality, but here's something about those assassination attempts that people are missing again in that reporting because there was in the meantime, yet again, another alleged attempt on his life at Mar-a-Lago, right? In reality, it has actually been as far as what we publicly know, a fairly low amount of assassination attempts on this guy that have come to any sort of anything because if you track back and realistically look at maybe what the media didn't cover, but if you take a look back at secret service records and you take a look back at stuff that they have memorialized in publicly accessible documents, quite honestly, he has not had a high frequency

32:20of attempts on him as opposed to some of our very recent presidents, including Bush and Obama. Guess what? Now, I don't know Biden's assassination attempt record. I mean, you know, there is such a thing as beating a dead horse or shooting a corpse, I guess. So no point there, but I don't know. The statistics, but so far from what I can observe from Trump's first term and this one even, what we know publicly is actually relatively non-eventful. There's always assassination attempts against our president, every single one of them. There have been attempts, sometimes stupidity blocks the assassination attempt, occasionally the secret service takes care of it, sometimes accidental things happen. Sometimes a guy shows up with, you know, a semi-automatic rifle at the White House goes all the way in the residence and the guy's not home. That's happened a few times. Okay. Just saying,

33:21given our history, to be honest with you, he hasn't even suffered a relatively high amount of incidents when it comes to this so far. But, you know, then again, everybody's telling me that the Civil War is coming, so what do I know? So would you mind moving to the next topic? Because now I've totally forgotten it. Was it Shakiri yet? Or are we on to something else next? Drew McIntyre here from WWE. Weild and the Claymore can be a life of chaos. When I'm not dominating in the ring, Chumba Casino is how this warrior takes a wee break. With hundreds of online social games and new weekly releases, there's always something fresh to try. And those daily boosts, next level. Even my free time feels like foul-halla. So when life feels like a battle, kick up your feet, have some fun, and let's Chumba. No purchase necessary, VGW Group Void were prohibited by law CTs and Cs, 21 plus sponsored by Chumba Casino. This is Mike Voilo of Lexicon Valley. And I'm Bob Garfield. Are you one of those people who sometimes uses words? Do you communicate or acquire information with, you know, language?

34:26Hey, us too. So, join us on Lexicon Valley to true over the history, culture, and many mysteries of English. Plus, some life cracks. Find us on one of those apps where people listen to podcasts. No, all the turmoil in the UK. They've just had an election. They've got, you know, people are fighting for Islamists, took offense to them and threatened them. So he's in the state. Oh, my God. A car at one Miami airport. He had to go to another airport so that he could use his debit card because he's been. So we have the controversy in the UK, which I find fascinating because the main thrust of that over here is this guy had to go because Epstein poof this guy had to go because Prince, whatever the hell was over there actually involved with Epstein.

35:28And now it's no longer a prince, whatever his new name is. Boof. You know, it's interesting. There's like more Andrew. Andrew, sorry. Andrew, Matt and Windsor. Thank you. But there's more fallout in Great Britain over the Epstein thing. And there is in the US, honestly, when it comes to people in power. I don't know. They're about neck and neck. We're about neck and neck because we had what? Larry Summers stepped down. Oh, crap. There was somebody else that just somebody with one of the financial firms just stepped down. Hillary Clinton's lawyer or no. No, Obama's legal advisor in the White House just had to step down from whatever financial institution she was working for. So the funny thing is though in the UK, they're going after the former prince because of him using

36:30trade data given it to Epstein and possibly influencing markets. There was also a lot of emails covering when Libya fell and Epstein was talking to people about, you know, how can we benefit off this monetarily? What do we need to do? And apparently Andrew was giving him info then on trade deals and certain information that was supposed to not be public. But come to find out through emails, the now king, his brother knew about this. So they arrested Andrew. He got out on bail. They're investigating him. Funny that they're not doing much in the way of investigating him towards the Virginia. Jufrey situation, which I have fell into a rabbit hole this week on also. I'll fill you in on. Okay. They're going after him for this business deal thing. Now if the king knew about it, that's where they're starting to say, okay, well, what are you going to do?

37:31We already have evidence that the king knew that his brother was pulling this shit. Didn't do anything about it. Didn't do anything until recently by stripping his titles. Are we going to drag the king into it? And is he going to have to step down? Which will then bring in the golden child of William? So it's interesting to see how this was going to play out. Well, kind of, but on the other hand, you know, I was reminded this week from somebody who actually got, you know, the archive of a whole lot of MP3s from the earlier shows of the Ocelli effect. They were like, wait a minute, you were talking about this stuff that these people are stepping down about 10 years ago. And I go, thank you, but it's 12. And yeah, I know, but nobody wanted to listen because it was just, you know, the cookie conspiracy guy. And but the reality is that a whole bunch of this stuff. Yeah, go ahead. Back in back in 2013, 2014, when this stuff was coming

38:33out, it just got ignored, which, you know, you're hearing part of that in the debate on this side of the pond when it comes to, well, everybody in the Obama administration knew about this, but they didn't do anything about it. Yeah, Harvey Weinstein, everybody in Hollywood knew what the hell was going on there for 20 years and didn't say a damn thing until he finally got busted. I mean, it's crazy. Yeah, but that's the funny thing is that everybody scoffs at the outcry people and the people that connect the dots until what they get confirmation from the bias institution they want to hear from. And that's the funny thing where, okay, you know, for a while there, it was nobody, but the conspiracy people and a couple of people that were involved in things directly and believe it or not, like him or not, Ed Opperman was directly involved in some of those cases, which is why I had him on talking around some of them because he couldn't disclose stuff that he had signed paperwork on, but he was letting certain things be known, okay? So when

39:37did I start having him on 2014? Sorry, I didn't take the podcast live till 2014. Anyway, that's when I was talking about it with people that, you know, had some information as best we could gather it, and that was without any of these, you know, files, okay? These files now vindicate a whole bunch of stuff that we were told we were crazy about talking about. So now the funny thing is the right wing fringe media picked up on it for a little while because they thought it paired nicely with pizza gate, which, you know, still to this day is remarkable to me that with no proof we're going to keep insisting that happen just because of weirdness and because people are, you know, and the funny part is there are patterns of discussion in some of the Epstein files that are still being ignored that are coded, okay? Like there is a whole pizza gate type thing happening, but in a pizza gate, in the Epstein files, and yeah, I talked about it years ago and nobody's talking about

40:40it yet and nobody wants to hear it from me. So am I going to take all my time and invest it into, no, but the funny thing is right wing fringe media picked up on it because it paired nicely with pizza gate and they could go after the Democrats. Then it was found out that, you know, who your golden boy is that's involved in all this. I mean, practically, it's not like Trump is in the Epstein files. It's like Epstein is in the Trump files. It's like who got their peanut butter in my chocolate or their chocolate and my peanut butter over there. This guy is all sorts of involved with him. People in his cabinet are involved with him and don't pay no attention to that from the other side. And now, you know, the left wingers, but the left wingers who were completely hit, wait, wait, wait, let me get to the hypocrisy of the left. Don't cut me off until I balance it. The hypocrisy of the left is they didn't give a damn about any of it until it pointed in the right direction the same as the right wing. And now we are literally witnessing this circus of an oversight committee yelling at people and then not answering questions yelling back.

41:44And it is a completely incongruous and nonsense conversation. I mean, it is like the clown shoes have taken over the entire circus. And that's all there is to it. And then there's a lot of people out there going, well, what about the actual crimes? Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing. Victory Lane? Yeah, it's even better with Chumba by my side. Race to ChumbaCasino.com. Let's Chumba. No purchase necessary. VTW Group. Voidware prohibited by law. CTNCs. 21 Plus. Sponsored by ChumbaCasino. Every day the world gets a little weirder and a lot more awesome. Cool stuff. Daily takes a look at everything from mining in space to the latest in the fight against cancer to how AI is basically changing everything. It's all the cool stuff you didn't know you need it to know. Join us for cool stuff daily as we take a quick look at science, tech and the wait what stories that make you sound way smarter at dinner. Subscribe to cool stuff daily now because the

42:45future is happening fast and it's way too fun to miss. Yeah, nobody's getting prosecuted and Galein has puppy time in her minimum security situation for being a sex trafficker and that's the funny thing is that trafficking which is funny to me also has changed in its terminology. Wait a minute, it's changed in its terminology because now even simple prostitution is being called trafficking which convulutes the whole issue and makes it into something else. But meanwhile who's getting prosecuted who's getting taken to task is anybody going to ask for yet another deposition from Trump or anybody else in the cabinet whose name is in the files and you can also find Jackie the joke man in those files by the way if you want to just go for name recognition but it is amazing to me the like pick your poison as far as what you're not going to pay attention to regarding this thing and it's an issue being kicked around constantly and that's all it's

43:48going to be I'm sorry to say guys they are going to neutralize this by confusion that's it and and it's going to be for the benefit of guess what everybody in power everybody who had dirt on them and nobody's going to finally talk about any of the stuff that is still valid as all sorts of blackmail that nobody seems to know where it is they can't show it you know on and on and on so but but meanwhile cash Patel can go party with the hockey team in Italy when they win I mean he's got time for that and he can get over there do that but yeah somebody solve this no they're not going to is my whole thing go ahead say whatever you want I'm done. Well I was going to say is this whole Epstein file thing is his show I'm not messing with the disingenuous the left they're realizing that people are stepping

44:48down most of these people that have stepped down from positions have been die hard liberals all done they're stepping down and they're you know fading back into the shadows one thing that irritates me though is you've got people like Thomas massing I agree with him on a lot of his stuff in fighting the bullshit that the Republicans have been pulling for years trying to say they're looking out for you and they're not but Massie has just made this massive little cult following him and and Marjorie Taylor Greene although she's not there anymore she she got her damn retirement and hauled ass so screw her but these two have gotten together and formed this little cult over oh yes the names the names you know Massie has been saying for what four months now well I've got a list of ten or twenty people that they are not going to release and I'm going to release well they released four names and people with nuts over it and come to find out people were getting threatened and docs who were simply in a lineup that was used for one of these uh I think

45:52it was when Epstein was arrested the second time uh they you know had some lineup information anyway come to find out two of the guys that were using the lineup didn't even know who the hell Epstein was one of them is a auto mechanic in New York or something anyway he puts these names out there the names that he's put out there you and I both knew back in 2014 there's nothing new but they're trying to make some big damn headline out of it and it's like I told you there is no list what if we found out there is no list I told you Epstein this whole time was not working for Mossad and he was Epstein was working for himself now he had a lot of clients he had a lot of customers for the crappy had including the CIA the FBI Mossad every other intelligence agency that had the money could go to Epstein and get whatever the hell they wanted he was working for himself this is not some huge Jewish cabal that is running the world and they put Epstein out there Epstein

46:58above all else was worried about Epstein and Epstein was working for himself I don't care what anybody says you're never going to get me to change my mind now on the letting the files out there I don't understand why they can't sit down and redact whatever victim's name victim and I put that in quotes because you can redact that but why are we getting emails from Epstein that has somebody else redacted when you read the information in the body of the email they say oh well it's to protect the privacy of people who are innocent well how the hell do you know if they're innocent put their damn names out there and let these people start investigating this crap because it's going to be the independent guys out there digging holes one of which I came across the other day that got into this whole verge in your jiffray thing and how her story has changed

48:0020 times since the beginning and every time it changed money was changed hands so you know is she a victim according to some of the stuff I've read in the past week she was just a guilty as the rest of them she was just as bad as Epstein and she was making her money off bringing her friends in and letting them get paid and she was getting a cut plain and simple Epstein had the money to burn and he burned it also read some information on his first case down in Florida okay and what the legal wrangling were behind that and I'll tell you what that guy that he got set up big time big time and not only did they set him up but they set him up purposely until he had created a list of people that we say are victims and we're going to allow those people to sue you in fact we're even going to provide lawyers to cover them to take care of suing you and then we're going to bill you for the damn legal fees that's how bad he got hit

49:06over a damn pandering charge okay plain as simple well that's a railroad yeah and you can see from then how things got so screwed up see sometimes people get railroad sometimes people get railroaded after they escaped a lot of other things and here's what's interesting about this whole Epstein saga and I'll just put a punctuation on this and hopefully we can move to the next thing but here's the parts that I guarantee you haven't looked at which is the casual discussions of torture porn being exchanged uh and you know and and cannibalism possibly occurring in emails along with along with you know listen here's the list of innocent names we're not going to publish being published because of the absolute chaos with which nobody knows how to redact you know it's like they they were expert as far as keeping you know parts of files redacted from us for many many decades regarding JFK stuff until they weren't and you know it seems

50:10like I don't know maybe maybe your girl Tulsi over there is not the best head or needs to hire better people because she doesn't even have people knowing how to sort these things properly apparently missing deadlines and not dropping the files like they're supposed to and releasing the wrong stuff and hilariously the punctuation what they let do yeah well that's true and that is true on top of true but she can only also do what she knows how to do and I don't believe for a second that she knows how to handle a massive amount of data like this okay I just don't see it in her skill set based on what we know about her history it doesn't I mean she can be so miraculously organized or I don't know nobody as I'm going to take up from a girl here nobody has the ability to handle the amount of data that they're trying to handle and shove through a funnel into the public eye you know and I'm sure there has been some heated discussions in the background as to what's

51:13going on now if I were her and they said oh we're gonna let doll we're gonna let Tulsi Gabard head of national security handle this I just said wait a minute ain't my job here's what we're gonna do each individual department is gonna handle their corrections or redactions whatever they hell you want to call it and we're gonna put this shit out there they haven't even got the JFK files out there they were supposed to do that years ago now we're worried about this massive amount of data and folks there may be a hell of a lot more because what has come out is Epstein cleared out a lot of places and it had shit put into storage and they're still trying to track down the storage units where all these shits boxed up so you think there's six million files now there may be another six million files come out before it's all said and done this is not going to end anytime soon it's going to be drug on for years it's going to be argued about for years drew back entire here from WWE wielding the claim or it can be a life of chaos when I'm not dominating in

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53:24walking down the street and recognized a woman and called her by name and she turned and said excuse me what have you seen that yet no woman named in jail that's why when you mentioned puppy time I wanted to break in and say might not be puppy time for glean it might be puppy time for someone that looks an awful lot like Michael myers when he gets up in the morning could be but here's the funny thing and and why the defensive of Tulsi I'm sorry still fails if she is not capable of doing the whole job I get it because there are many jobs where you could be the responsible party for running some things that's why they make you the head of it in order to create something if you had to build a house you wouldn't do it single-handedly usually I know men have done that in the past but in order to do it efficiently quickly and with good skills intact on all aspects of construction you would bring in people that know how to do those things and you would assemble

54:25a proper team and that clearly was not done so the head of national security did not assemble or oversee a team time out okay time out sure how do you know she didn't try and was kept from doing it I mean plain and simple thinking of it this way she's the she's the guy that's the contractor building the house she's got a sub who does all the framing in this case cash for tell and the FBI or above here the company that owns that subcontractor the Department of Justice and Pam Bondy now she goes to cash and says I want this and cash says no and goes running to Pam and Pam says no part of the problem that you're dealing with here's Pam Bondy in her position not being able to get all those agencies under the Justice Department to do what the hell they're supposed to do now I don't know I've heard there have been some

55:28rumblings between Tulsi and a few of these people in front in charge of these other things and that's the problem that you're seeing she's you know yes you're right she should have hired the people to come in we don't know that she didn't and the DOJ and the FBI all said oh hell no no you're not that's something you have to take into consideration oh yeah because Pam Bondy and and cash for tell I don't understand why they're still employed let alone in this administration I'm surprised they haven't had to ask fired and then nobody would hire them later on listen that's how bad it's got I totally agree with you on those two but put that aside for a second I'm sorry Tulsi fails because if she were a adequate head there she could figure out how to work around that I mean do you think anybody that accomplished anything whether for nefarious or positive reasons in the past did it with just the best people available to them right away no sometimes they had to go outside

56:30sometimes they had to get innovative sometimes they had to import train or yeah think about what's her job what is her position had a national security correct correct right okay let's see who makes up the intelligence agency the most egotistical hard-headed assholes in government work for the NSA the CIA naval intelligence army intelligence all of these what seven intelligence agencies that come under the NSA she's got to deal with them people like clapper and Brennan so he's she doesn't have the easiest job to do considering the assholes she has to work with oh true they're the most I'm true true absolutely true level of government I might detest people to a certain amount but those those three letter agencies under the NSA all the ones I

57:30have the biggest problem with but right 17 of them that we know of plus the ancillary adjunct pieces of other agencies like for instance you know you got NASA well NASA has an intelligence you know our apparatus to it etc etc so I mean you have an immensely complex maze of possible moronic idiots in in the frame no problem all true but with that being the case and the fact that we haven't just you know self-inflicted wounded our asses off of the planet already with all these you know jabbering monkeys in place it must mean that that's something it's accomplished from time to time but she has failed to bring together the right group of people that could have overseen this whole thing and could become because every time she gets consulted and then not talked about again even though she I'm just saying listen you want to defend her you're gonna I could come back and answer you again with you know look this is how you innovate and fix and we know that none of

58:31these people operate according to the standards that we know of in public majority of the time for good or bad reasons it just is so we'll just call that one a stalemate and leave it at that but I got to tell you I still will stick to my position and you'll probably stick to yours what was the next thing on your list though are we getting to shakiri yet hey it's bubble walless from 2311 racing you know what feels like forever sitting on a plane waiting for takeoff good thing i've got jumbokasino with daily boost in social casino games on tap this is a kind of fun that makes time fly why not turbo charge downtime play now at jumbokasino dot com let's jump up sponsored by chumpokasino no purchase necessary vgw group void where prohibited by law 21 plus terms and conditions apply hi i'm alisha and i'm stacey and we make trashy divorces everybody's favorite good podcast about bad relationships

59:33looking for something true crimey without the gore or the body count we've been shurning out funny feisty feminist episode since twenty nineteen so if you're looking to put some scandalous stories told well into your ears this summer check out trashy divorces wherever you listen to podcasts trust us we've covered someone you love or someone you love to hate oh no right before number four was the bohemian grove list from 2023 from 2023 that's interesting um hello yeah i'm here you're here yes okay so the thing it okay bohemian grove from 2023 you're saying well i was gonna say yes 2023 and that's something i hate about them statistic you know when you try to look up something and this is 2026 but for a lot of um population and demographic information and and cash and ddp you look at this is date

1:00:43well okay you should be fine there's roughly two years new fund 25 they're hard as hell to find but the most recent stuff is 2023 this is kind of the same thing yes was you know going on three years ago the attendance list and i haven't had a chance it's a long list but i had to just go and see exactly who was there okay but here's a reality in collecting data instantaneous collection of data is not done by human beings if you rely on instantaneous collection and the numerical values of those things uh guess what you're trusting a computer to do all the work and therefore a lot of nuance is not understand understood even with AI as it exists right now um so and and this is always my argument with people when they're cheering or they're screaming about oh we know this is happening right now this is absolutely

1:01:46solid numbers actually you're lying to yourselves always because those numbers don't settle down there are always corrections and adjustments which need to be made because there were misunderstandings in the collection there was misunderstandings in the data entry whether a computer or a human being did it so unless you're dealing with statistics that are a couple of years old and settled guess what you're dealing with estimations that are based on a whole bunch of premises that are not settled so yeah that's the reality of that so sorry and i'm not surprised that it would take until 2023 to you know from from then to now to actually verify and vet the names on the list so that you're not making an error it takes some three years to tell you about it and people go see he held up for three years he's lying either way people will take it as they're either being disingenuous or lying when they delay statistics when the truth is in order to get real solid

1:02:46confirmed numbers it's not done instantaneously i can never understand these arguments it drives me crazy because people go oh well what about this year's numbers well this year is an over yet so you have estimate and i want to mean like a lot of things can happen i'm sure in 2001 people did not expect a bunch of shifts in public attitudes and behaviors uh you know going into august they had an idea about the way 2001 was going to turn out then September 11th happened you know what i'm saying you might think you know what the production is going to be and what people's lives are going to be like in a certain part of a country or in a country in general and then assume not me it's it there are things that occur that disrupt the estimation and projection so you have to wait for things to actually occur and then for the data to be collected and then for the data to be you know just looked over actually verified and people don't understand that does

1:03:49take time even with computers and try to use them even if you let the computer do it you've got to have you know human human interaction here to double check it because guess what occasionally due to data error entry mistakes by people the computers make a mistake and then you've got to go back and readjust it all kinds of anomalies come up in collecting things this is why it drives me nuts when people are like you know do this math now and it's like look that can't be done accurately so i'm not surprised that it takes that long now how relevant do you think this is my ultimate question how long do you do you think it is it relevant anymore actually what's going on at Bohemian Grove do you think that's still one of those elite super secret but yet we know about it kind of meeting places like the builder like you don't hear much about Bilderberg now Alex Jones certainly isn't talking about Bilderberg anymore is it uh it was his obsession for many years but he's not talking about it at all anymore matter of fact i don't think Alex Jones brings up Bohemian

1:04:53Grove anymore huh i wonder why because that was supposed to be the center of the universe of the grand conspiracies of all and so i'm just curious i mean i'm not saying i agree with Alex Jones but i'm wondering from your point of view how relevant is the weird little queer meeting out in the woods of powerful and rich men in california there because that's the way i see it let's dress up and let's you know uh a cremate care and chant and run around in dresses and do this all in secret in the woods for you know our vacation time alone uh bunch of guys running around in the woods and some things happen that are not exactly heterosexual just saying uh how relevant is that to the circles of power and actually the true power structure in the country in the world at this point in your mind bp what do you think is it relevant anymore is it a relic of the past is it uh you know a joke what do you think i think it i think it's a relic of the past in a lot of senses but

1:05:58it's comparable to the Epstein files now that these things are being released and people are reading what rich weird people do with their money it would be similar in that here we have a bunch of elite rich guys going into the woods for however many long days at last i don't know but the stories that would come out of there would show you that rich weird guys doing weird shit with their money in the Epstein files also goes on there maybe to a smaller degree anytime you get that meant people with that much money and a bunch of i mean you've got egos you've got fetishes you've got shit in the closet you've got all sorts of stuff going on that people don't hear about every day they're starting to get a glimpse of what some of these people did through the Epstein files and what their hobbies were i mean bill gates look at him the story on bill gates has done a 180 from years ago oh he's this guy that came up in his garage with this operating

1:07:02system and he was a brilliant guy and then he switched into the we want to make a fake everything so we don't have cows and we don't have butter and we don't have this and i got guys in the lab working on all this mad science to shit and then we have covid come out we find out what happened with the the vaccines all i think bohemian grove would just be another chapter in weird rich people doing shit that they can't do anywhere else because they're getting trouble for it okay that's what it is but if that's the case then really what we're looking at is just a you know a getaway weekend for the elite and bizarre you know those that have become bored with all of the natural pleasures out there so now they seek the unnatural and supernatural you know maybe that's all it is you wonder though well but think about this i saw a picture of clearance Thomas that was supposedly above me and grove now clearance is a wheeler dealer he's you know he's the

1:08:05since um oh what's his name died Scalia died you know clearance is the conservative rock on that side of the of the court and it's like he's got a guy a friend of his is that takes him to all these places expensive vacations a motor home and this and that and you wonder what it is about bohemian grove that would interest somebody like clearance Thomas you know you think about it is it just rubbing elbows with you know rich people and you can set down that i'm not a judge you're not a corporate magnet you know we're just out here having a good time or just clearance have a bunch of shit in the closet we don't know about that we'll probably never know about but you know it's freaking geeky weekend at the bohemian grove makes you wonder well look remember from the need a hill thing you know who the hell starts talking about pubic hairs on a cook can you know what i mean so strange pleclippities are in play as far as i'm concerned whether you believe any of that stuff or not it's kind of weird that they would make up

1:09:09weirdness for him number one number two i think it's actually not all that bizarre sophisticated it's two things look a guy who's gonna have business before the court definitely would like to have a friendly judge there that is you know super friendly to him and i think you know Thomas is simply not immune to the allure of free vacations because this guy when he was asked about a bunch of this stuff pretty much you know snapped immediately no lawyers advice said look uh you know the guy offered me trips and stuff why wouldn't i go when he was asked about other trips you know the hunting trip or whatever even though he doesn't hunt uh you know the this getaway on a special lake on an island uh that you know happens to have its own lake and isn't on any uh normal maps anywhere doesn't even have a name all this kind of stuff and whether they gave him a trip to the bohemian grove or they gave him a trip to vagus what's the difference maybe he just hey free vacation let's go why not maybe he's just you know frugal and by the way i would take a

1:10:14free trip to vagus i'm not sure if i would go to be me and grove but uh maybe uh just to see what the hell is going on uh and be sworn to secrecy and whatnot so long as uh i don't have any mandatory participation attached to that trip uh you know or anything else i mean i'll go to vagus it doesn't mean i gotta get hookers and blow and uh you know and blow my uh whatever money i have which wouldn't be much take me about two minutes but i mean you know uh would i turn down the free trip in hotel room i don't know maybe not especially if it's you know gonna make him friendly in the future for things i might want to do or my wife might want to do uh you know hey look this guy can supply my wife with cool stuff so you know what he offered me a free trip i should be friendly and accept it i don't know but i don't think it's all that complicated i think it's actually just something as simple as that what are your thoughts man i don't know i would think

1:11:16you know i can see what to go for a guy's weekend we're gonna hang out we're gonna do some silly shit we're gonna have fun okay fine but toleratic here from 2311 racing victory lane yeah it's even better with chamba by my side race to chamba casino dot com let's chamba no purchase necessary vtw group void work prohibited by law ctnc's 21 plus sponsored by chamba casino hey i'm josh speagle host of the podcast lunatic in the newsroom if you enjoy journalism that drifts into my old panic wild overthinking and a guaranteed nervous breakdown lunatic in the newsroom is for you it's news like you've never heard before the only newsroom with a panic button you'll laugh you'll cry and gasp and horror as the show spirals completely out of control it's not just news it's emotionally unstable lunatic in the newsroom listen today i don't i don't see what the fascination is with these people that attend it's it's the cultural personality all over again

1:12:17you know people that are up there that other people seem to have these cult feelings for well they're a little cult among themselves you know hey i rubbed elbows with three presidents to ex you know presidents of major banks and okay fine you know well hey all next week where i'm going fly fishing with one of them great that's fine but i just i don't know i've really not had any interest in it it's just to me another example of rich weird people getting together to do stuff with other rich weird people well right but then again a guy who doesn't necessarily have to be weird although i think Clarence Thomas is pretty well off but even if he was or wasn't irrelevant i mean if you and i just doing this radio show right somebody said listen um i know that you guys are gonna be you know covering news stories about us in the next few weeks and all that but put that aside for a moment uh what would be a mutually acceptable thing for you and me how about like a massive music festival where there's a whole lot of bands where you know

1:13:21you and i could pick from column A and column B boy i'd love to see them again live or these are people uh i think have been fascinating or we're never going to be able to see these groups again whatever let's think about a a 2026 version of live aid that's going to be an all day concert right um if somebody said we'll send you to where that is put you up in the hotel where the musicians are gonna be and give you backstage passes just because we like you uh you and i might look at that and go for free for real and they might say yeah and would you go i might and i don't care if it was Elon Musk that offered it to me even though i believe he's gonna be partially responsible for destroying the world at some point um but even if if you Elon Musk offered that to us i would take it and i could definitely consider him to be a super rich weirdo uh but oh definitely you know what i'm saying so you know and why not if somebody said hey look just general trip to Vegas there happens to be a poker tournament there tell you what guys i'll give you the hotel plane fare i'll make sure you

1:14:25get there private jet and your meals are covered all that plus you're entered in the poker tournament you and i would be hanging out playing cards in Vegas for at least a weekend you know what i'm saying just because and again if it was Elon Musk or somebody like that um i would take it and i'm why not ain't gonna hurt him and gives me something interesting to do and who knows how to do it good i would do it just because it would give me the opportunity to tell some of these people to fuck off well that would be fun too that's always that's always a bonus but um okay so fair enough now what is the next thing on the list rocket roll hall fame okay and this is where Shakira comes in right sorry did you say something did yeah oh commentary that someone had put out

1:15:26okay so yeah no you broke up a little it's all right we're we're gonna be upgrading soon but let me just get to it first of all Shakira being 50 that's weird enough to me because i'm certain she's been around for 30 years at a bare minimum as somebody that i was aware of which is weird to me that she's only 50 now because i didn't think she was very young then but she has an age really um and i think she has not aged a bit right not one bit but that's what i don't know what she's doing but i wish she put it in a damn bottle i would pay 1999 for it but so would almost anybody but here we go with the weirdness like i know i've aged since i first heard of Shakira to now a lot uh everybody i know has aged a lot since i heard a Shakira a lot of people are dead um anyway the point is that uh you can't bottle it it's called genetics and she has a certain

1:16:30set of genetics there that just uh simply are not aging quickly uh there's that plus she keeps herself in shape and really she was first known and came to like everybody's attention for her unique way of shaking her ass which has become a whole other you know cultural staple and you got to admit dancing is part of rock and roll and rock and roll is not this you know um easily definable thing you know when they say the rock and roll hall of fame even to call something rock and roll at this point is weird uh in in in our current um you know artistic uh malaise that we find ourselves and where AI is doing a lot of work rock and roll is almost an outdated phrase now for somebody to clearly define it i i i just gotta say when you listen to certain people's definitions of it they are at the valid and at the same time completely different

1:17:32one way or another like there are people that would tell me that let me kill myster has nothing to do with rock and roll he was a metal guy let me kill myster was rock and roll you know and so was getting shot very yeah sorry good i've heard in fact i heard a guy i heard a guy just two days ago say it hey when we look at these lists credit there have been inductees that were kind of questionable over the years but when you're going to consider someone like Shakira over motorhead how can you even make that comparison when it comes to the subject of rock and roll and i have to agree with there's people you know Phil Collins was uh inducted under uh genesis when he was part of genesis right now he's up for an individual induction and i could consider Peter Gabriel yes still a part of rock and roll but when you don't have motorhead in there as long as motorhead was out there pounding live performances they didn't their live performances were

1:18:36astronomical compared to albums you know you look at pain fluid they would do a tour every other year every year for a while then they didn't for a few years now damn motorhead was out there pounding the pavement every damn day why are they not in there and why are they not in there when you're considering someone like Shakira don't get me wrong she's a fantastic artist she puts out good music um and correction she's 49 uh she just turned 49 February second i said 50 i was wrong wow um but still at 49 uh damn she's the best preserved thing i've ever seen but still you know things like motorhead uh they're considering oasis and groups like that i dolly parton is in the rock and roll hall of fame and motorhead isn't something's wrong there okay now there is something wrong with motorhead not being there but dolly parton belongs there Shakira belongs there because they are elemental pieces of what can see that's the thing about

1:19:42rock and roll that is really bizarre that i think is so misunderstood and winds up people backing into their own little cultural corners mostly uh and rejecting different things for different reasons the thing is it is a giant eclectic thing this wasn't you know some sort of uh uh you know a staple of music that existed forever what it did is it cobbled together many things and took on many forms you know you could look at the the you know the blues which was effectively developed here in the united states and jazz which pre-existed that by a long time period those two things put together do make rock and roll but they are not the only formula that's like saying you can only get drunk on vodka it's no good you know you got to understand that rock and roll is not a single drink it is the bar and that's what well i understand that but when you look at it

1:20:44this way the rock and roll hall of fame has had a problem with heavy metal bands you look at the heavy metal bands i know it is iron made and motor head you know they the when you consider Shakira now she says that a lot of influence came from you know rock artists and i understand that but you look at the product that you're putting it and putting it out it's hard now for rock and roll to be considered rock and roll because it's been devalued and de-watered over the past 15-20 years you don't have rock stations if you have a rock and roll radio station they're playing shit from zeppelin and queen and everybody else back in the dinosaur days there's not really a lot of new rock bands so by deluding it i don't understand i don't consider i don't think dolly part and should be in the rock and roll hall of fame unless you can show me all the songs that she wrote for rock and roll artists which they're very few

1:21:48most of her songs that were written that were done by other than country artists was pop radio top 40 that's not rock and roll rock and roll is a subsection of pop music or top 40 song and roll is rock and roll well i don't think Shakira fits i don't think luther vandross would fit into that group so why are they even in consideration i'm maybe i'm more of a purist i don't know well you you have a certain purist point of view but here's the thing does michael jackson belong in the rock and roll hall of fame uh you know there's a big question there oh no see now the king of pop in my estimation he wasn't the king of rock he was the king of pop okay but oddly enough i'm weird like this i think he belongs because rock and roll again look you go back to the argument about the rock stage let me give you an example well let me just let me just run by part of what you said and then you can give me an example because well wait wait a second the radio station you were talking about right every every major market has a rock station you're right

1:22:51and they all have the same formula and it runs roughly from the late 60s to the mid 90s is basically 99% of the music they play if it's not something new released by an artist from that time period that's what they play on all these rock stations all across the country and to me there is plenty of rock and roll that occurred before that time period and after that time period i think luther vandross belongs i think that anybody that introduced an element which especially changed things regarding rock and roll and even influenced it to a heavy degree uh is is eligible that's why i think dolly belongs there which is weird uh to probably hear from some people because i'm the heavy metal guy it took them forever to accept black Sabbath which was ridiculous because black Sabbath literally created a whole new genre of music from rock and roll i mean so this is the evolutionary

1:23:54and the precursors to the thing itself i think it all qualifies and all belongs to be recognized if it played a part in the overall bar that's the thing not every bar has the super expensive you know whiskey but every bar has got some whiskey and there's a reason you know what i'm saying and every bar has the weak little girly drinks and you know what every other bar has to is some water almost everything to some degree you know that exists in modern music is either touched by influenced by or generated by or is an element which is then later on added into guess what what i consider to be rock and roll so there is a circular loop here where even people have complained about hip hop artists right they're hip hop they're not rock well what is hip hop and didn't hip hop then become cycled back into rock music and become part of it as well see what i'm saying

1:24:55it's not a straight line it's a circular thing that keeps rolling literally did undone rock and roll keeps rolling itself into new things and even with the stagnation in creation as it exists now we still see the older elements of pop electronic and all these things that technically at their inception were not rock and roll becoming integrated into this huge you know sort of a massive collaboration collective collaboration that has occurred here as a result of this genre snow balling that's rock and roll to me now to you rock and roll might have a different formula maybe you could tell me what that formula is but every time i ask a purist about this they give me bands they give me examples but they don't seem to tell me exactly what the formula is that makes something rock and where it deviates away and becomes something else or what it lacks in order to not qualify

1:25:57as rock and roll exactly it sort of fails in one way or another because i can find an example that'll counter that even in their own arguments usually so i'm curious what do you think qualifies as rock and roll and you want to give me an example so good tolerated care from twenty three eleven racing victory lane yeah it's even better with chamba by my side race to chamba casino dot com let's chamba no purchase necessary btw group boy we're prohibited by law ct and c's twenty one plus sponsored by chamba casino this is mic follow of lexicon valley and i'm bob garfield are you one of those people who sometimes uses words do you communicate or acquire information with you know language hey us too so join us on lexicon valley to chew over the history culture and many mysteries of english plus some ice cracks find us on one of those apps where people listen to podcasts

1:26:57what i was going to say uh for example to john loupon thing he's a violent player he's very heavy in jazz his start was in classical he's gone on the jazz he was playing with people like frank zappa back before zappa was with the mothers of invention that goes a long way back in music history i mean you're talking to late sixties now i would it i would never even consider john loupon to be a part of the rock and roll hall of fame that's not his genre it's not what he does is a main emphasis of what he does i don't think hip hop act should be in there the only hip hop act should that should be in the rock and roll hall of fame is uh uh was it run the mc with their collab with air smith other than that that's a separate genre of music and the majority of what they do is in that separate genre of music um who was the guy oh jaco pectorius he was with weather report

1:28:00they were a jazz group they were of fusion jazz progressive jazz whatever you want to name them i wouldn't consider him in the rock and roll hall of fame and that guy sadly he's passed away but that guy was on the forefront with all of these rock and roll artists way back in the sixties seventies on up through the eighties does public just quickly just pub jazz artists yeah i don't quickly does public enemy qualify because they collaborated with anthrax on bring the noise and i would definitely i'm not saying anthrax is is the hall of fame worthy but if they were hall of fame worthy would that not also drag public enemy into the discussion because they collaborated with a metal band which is an off shoot of rock and roll no or yes no i don't i don't i don't run the mc was doing some other things in addition to what they give with air smith i wouldn't consider that one collaboration with anthrax would put him but this is the hall of fame well this was public enemy well this was public enemy who did the

1:29:02collaboration with anthrax and they were definitely off doing a lot of other things like run mc was right previous to do and bring the noise they are the public enemy as far as i'm discern is a rap hip hop group but they're not they shouldn't be in the rock and roll all of fame okay but you do know they collaborated with anthrax for a crossover very similar in formula to what run dmc did with air smith right okay just checking yes but i think that i think public i think public enemy run dmc was one of those that were kind of on the board rap was really just coming out when they were big time i mean look at that's like would you consider will smith um to be a rock and roll artist well his hip hop days well no but i mean run dmc is part of the pioneering end of hip hop because they actually charted on the rock charts with a rap album before collaborating with aero smith who was actually on a downslide in their career at the time that walked this way was redone so it's interesting to me that uh you know and

1:30:08by the way there are plenty of rap artists before run dmc and they had you know rap charts hip hop charts aren't b charts etc but run dmc actually broke straight on in to the rock charts with their album and then you know uh you know cashed in on it by collecting with uh aero smith after and then did i think the album was going in the rock and if you can sew well and that's one thing if you can sew that uh that a group was charting on the rock charts at that time and pulling in the numbers i mean you've got to you've got to make an impression to even hit the chart if you're able to chart those um those entries that they've got that's one thing but just a one-off no i don't i don't think they should be considered i think that's a different genre of music rock and roll it's kind of like what was the thing used to say about um of sanity laws it's really hard to define but i can tell you what it is when i see it rock and roll is kind of the same thing but you hear it you know it's rock this all this other crap is just

1:31:10i don't know maybe it's more than the cult of personality taken over but i don't consider Shakira god bless her she's an excellent artist i don't think she deserves to be in the rock and roll of flame okay well i've heard other people even argue that like dancing that's long that's long no cool i've heard other people argue that dancing is an essential element to the you know at the inception of rock and roll and it's certainly always been part of it and it's not dancing in the traditional sense and it's definitely not you know disco uh but dancing along with rhythmic stuff has always been part of it right even when you saw the earliest possible images of anything called rock and roll with little Richard and you know and Chuck Berry and these guys you know back in the fifths even right um you know dancing was an essential element of it what about the argument that Shakira basically innovated and created a whole new thing with this whole what do they call that twirking i mean it wouldn't exist without the influence of Shakira and

1:32:15that wild ass shaken that she did that was really her her her memorable trademark that broke her through into mainstream recognition uh regardless who who even knows what she was singing because people were just mesmerized by that ass movement i mean let's be honest all right so what about that sort of argument when you have an element that is not necessarily directly related to a formula of music but might be related to the culture because rock and roll is not just a music it's a culture as well isn't it and yeah they were playing dance music dance was a part of the beginning of rock and roll until an artist sat down and said hey if i put out this album i might have a few songs on here nobody's going to be dancing too and they found out they can do it look at the progression from say Bill Haley and Chuck Berry

1:33:17and what it went to up to bands where suddenly you had jethro toll shooting off in a progressive form and yes and these i mean rush that's all progressive rock pink Floyd was progressive rock it was a subunit of rock and roll where albums people would sit down and listen to an album it wasn't geared again to change from 45 rpm records to full albums you know singles were the thing back during bill haley in the comments it progressed into album stage where okay we're going to put 15 songs on here and two of them you won't be able to dance to but you end up sitting there hitting your ball and listening to them and it becomes a part i don't know if there's a progression there in rock but i don't think there's an evolution past a point to where you include every top 40 radio artists in the list yeah i don't think i don't think Shakira is part of that evolution i

1:34:22don't think luther van drawke is a part i don't think berry white should be in the rock and roll all the vein he was singing soul music and and there's a difference hmm okay look fair enough but when you take a look at somebody like deon warwick or uh you know aretha franklin or something like that i think we're you know we're in a different category but it is interesting to note that we went from a time period where a musician was like sell a single and maybe your b side will be happy too uh you know too well sell a single so that we can sell the album to concept albums and double albums uh you know the glut of it all and then they could fit much much more on a cd uh you know on and on it goes but the evolution there were some steps along the way that necessarily might have been you know kind of not exactly on the point of the exact formula you might look for but it's weird because at the end of the day it does come down to the what is pornography question

1:35:26right well i don't know how to describe it but i know it if i see it okay but that's kind of odd i'm just saying it just my mind and to my mind there's a lot of elements that come in and there's people that don't belong there that were purely you know nothing but marketing yeah you look at look at this kind of like you look at the Grammys meatloaf bad out of hell album was one of the highest selling albums of all time never won a Grammy paint Floyd dark side of the moon was on the top 200 for billboard for over 17 freaking years never won a Grammy you know it's if you wonder about things like that did they not win the Grammy because they were too rock and roll well i mean who doesn't know the Grammy is by the dashboard light from meatloaf yeah look the Grammys are a garbage thing at reality i know they're great rewards for musicians and all but i

1:36:28mean the laughable i remember the year that the jethro tall one in the heavy metal category over Metallica who still deserved to win that heavy metal category at that time uh and jethro tall one for an album that i i didn't even know anybody who heard it it was like it didn't belong in the category they put stuff you want to talk about people who don't know what rock and roll is the people at the Grammys which is not just rock and roll but the people at the Grammys have no idea what they're doing they they miscategorize everything and i have no explanation for what goes on at the Grammys the Grammys are like you know listen my toddler doesn't like acdc or my toddler loves acdc either one of these things is not a qualifier or disqualifier for me it bears no uh wait on my scale what the Grammys do you know because uh good god will give you an example a perfect example you've got what's this Sabrina Carpenter who was one of uh disney's prodigies that got brought up

1:37:32and now she's a huge artist on pop radio um she won an award for best new artist four year years after she put out her music it's like wait a minute out why are you even giving a best new artist award to somebody whose first album sold so many copies for disney on her Hollywood records or whoever it was they had four years ago why she a new artist it's crazy maybe we should look at who's doing the voting at the rocket roll hall of fame i would think that you would take the inductees and let them vote that would be very good to the point that it's at now because now it's beyond repair see that would be great if they did that but that's the thing about these you know by vote situations is there are so many weird agendas you know involved in this and i mean you asking a bunch of guys who figured out a way to make a living as musicians to begin with uh to

1:38:33quantify and qualify things you're asking for trouble but uh but that might be better trouble than whatever the hell they have is going on i know i know what i'll tell you what i mean just saying you know a good example face brings it up in the room we mentioned the band Kansas now with Kansas first came out people thought who the hell are these guys but look at what they went on to do over the course of them being a band i mean they put out some phenomenal stuff that was full of orchestrated cuts um a classical uh elements and yet look at how big Kansas became they're one of i mean to me that was one of the bands i grew up on but you don't get the accolades i mean i don't understand how iron man i don't think i is i don't i don't think iron maiden is in there but how can iron maiden not be considered rock and roll over someone like Shakira yeah look i i i i i i entirely with your objections regarding

1:39:38metal bands that have not been included artists who literally innovated genres and created sub genres that are now three four five generations deep still not being involved in the rock and roll hall of fame where they absolutely belong there's a ton of them because nope metal's not rock and i'm telling you that's that's the kind of thing that it's like it's so arbitrary that i don't understand anybody i don't understand anybody they could make that comment that metal is not rock if it's not rock in the hell is it well i ask the same question about punk most of punk music i'm not talking about performance artists who make noise i'm talking about people that actually make music and it's punk it belongs in the rock category as well it belongs in the rock and roll hall of fame it just does i know it originated as the anti rock statement but honestly it it became just the slightly wilder cousin of the original rock and roll you know

1:40:46formula that's all it was and heavy metal for the most part there's a whole lot of bands that people like consider to be heavy metal bands that really aren't as well like acdc is nothing more than honestly a kind of a formulaic repetitive rock band they they've basically been playing the same kind of rips now for i don't know 50 years they've gone through two singers that's not too many and they've had the same lead guitarist for you know half a century and pretty much it's almost like the Ramones it's the same song just slightly rearranged over and over again and i enjoy him i do you know something not everything but i enjoy the majority of acdc's material but there are some people that would argue to me that's a heavy metal band that's not a rock band i don't even hear heavy metal that is rock and roll it's all it is they should they should be in exactly they should be in a rock and roll hall of fame if you can see dc doesn't blow it's not rock and roll if you

1:41:52have no concept of what rock and roll is absolutely true and you know look i know it's a little odd and for some people it's a little aggressive but aggressive is not wrong you know what i'm saying there there are a couple of different ways to go about this and yes some of it you can make love songs out of it you can make a you know holy crap i think you're good looking hello i love you the doors is rock and roll also you know what i'm saying it's not all one sound there's a great eclectic collection of things here and that's my argument but again you know i get i get told i'm crazy yeah good well a lot of people that have opinions like that i'm sorry do i don't think they have a very good opinion of music because they would only consider certain things i listened to all kinds of music but the moody blues look at how many bands they influence now they were progressive as hell they were one of the first progressive

1:42:52bands but they were rock and roll and they influenced a hell of a lot of music down the way hey it's Cole Swindell after i give everything i've got to land a perfect vocal i usually take five before jumping into the next track and i've learned exactly how to recharge in that time some folks grab coffee i hit a quick good look spin next thing you know the break is just as fun as land down the track a better break makes for a better take need a break less no purchase necessary btw group void were prohibited by law 21 plus TNC supply sponsored by chamba casino this is mic follow of lexicon valley and i'm bob garfield are you one of those people who sometimes uses words do you communicate or acquire information with you know language hey us too so join us on lexicon valley to true over the history culture and many mysteries of english plus some life cracks find us on one of those apps where people listen to podcasts

1:43:57well i'll tell you a lot of people object to when i say this but i think Eric Clapton sucks he's overrated as hell but here's the thing i wouldn't object i don't object to him being in the rock and roll of fame he's been entered in there with what Derek and the dominoes the yardbirds i don't know five different bands i don't object to it i just think it sucks i don't think it's very good but it belongs there because a lot of people enjoyed it and it became part of the culture and there's a lot of people that that count them as an influence etc but i think he's one of the most overrated guys ever to strap on a freaking guitar really i i i i don't understand it's like you know the oh wow there is a lot of people good yeah it's a lot of people have the same opinion that you do Eric Clapton's overrated and in some aspects he may be but Eric Clapton was part of that blues foundation over rock and roll if you want to hear good Eric Clapton you need to hear him live when he's playing just live jam i saw him down at the house of blues in the little beach

1:45:05and i mean he's yes he's overrated by a lot of people but he's damn good at what he does and when playing the blues he's he's right up there with some of the best another example pat travers guy out of canada he was over in london when the punk scene was kicking off he couldn't make it over here he wanted to go over there started playing clubs eventually came back to the states but pat travers isn't in there he's got five i know five solid rock and roll albums that should put him in consideration but again we're talking about Shakira collude of androles what should he be in the discussion but here's the thing i i don't feel that way now here's the thing about it again just going over this part of it uh you know Eric Clapton is part of that english imitating blues situation where an american blues artist when asked about it in the seventies i can't remember the guy's name but i'll never forget the quote

1:46:08he said well you know these uh english guys they want to play the blues real real bad and you know what that's what they do they play the blues real real bad i appreciate that because you know when Clapton toured with stevia raven i was really sad that the wrong helicopter crashed seriously uh stevia raven was an amazing artist and we're just looking guy you know and two other guys who look like they probably just you know put down the uh the squeegees of the gas station to come to play drums and bass double trouble it was hilarious but you can't argue with the results the guy did things with a guitar that i don't believe other people are able to to replicate you know much like Hendrix and you know here we go but Hendrix may be overrated a touch but not really when you listen to a studio work um anyway put him aside a guy with exact wild in my mind has to go in at some point uh you know not just for playing with Aussie but the guy

1:47:14is an incredible uh just you know artist with his chosen instrument and even though he looks like you know uh i don't know a Pennsylvania biker got thrown back from a time machine you know in the 1970s to now um the guy is amazing as a guitarist and not just because he's from jersey do i appreciate him um but there's a lot of people whose elements are going to come into play here and there's also the cultural consideration she cares on the borderline in my mind but i think she goes in luther vandros not on the borderline i think he goes in what who else did you object to in the recent considerations in class or who else do you celebrate by the way did you happen to examine any of that uh let me pull up the list of who they're considering this time let's see i saved that article let me go but i'll tell you what you pull that up let us take a quick break here because

1:48:14well let's let's just take let's take a quick break here you pull that up okay and uh hopefully somebody will join us here in the last little bit because we're almost out of time for this Friday night nobody called in 319 527 5016 we got lost in our conversation but there you go uh and i kind of enjoyed this gives you a different perspectives about bp's list what he thought what i thought and we went back and excuse me back and forth a little bit but i need just a quick break so i'm gonna take it here on the ocelli effect and return as quickly as i can but you can join us after this 319 527 5016 and yeah that sounds like a lot of people you revelation through conversation

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1:50:41life is hearing dances in the night hit off routes with blues they clash the storm turns bones to ash the war is a quest tied to the wind chaos means no way to mend breaks the chains ignite the void and comes clash with the air destroyed filled on thrush the skies collide heavy stormed in the sound divine those laid out blasts free of fire It was in the light, it turned to an old shroud Deep in fire, the rhythm stoos, pain-stained riffs in front of blues, beats erupt bound to the night, boundless rage, a pain-stained riffs in front of blues, beats erupt bound to the night.

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1:52:47You Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall Street Window.com and listeners liking it. And now I know the most integrated voice, if all is all the media. Yeah, Coach Kelly. Revelation through conversation. And returning to it here for the last little bit on a Friday night, nobody called in. 319-527-5016. I guess nobody's interested in our music talk, BP. I don't know. You know, nobody wants to join in on that. But you were going to give me a continuation on your list. So let's just close it out with that. If nobody bugs us, we'll do it. Otherwise Aaron begins around 10 p.m. Eastern, so stick around for that. So what else you got there? You said there was some other people they were considering for the Hall of Fame. And we were having a spirited discussion about this. I thought. Yeah, this editorial ran across today. Girled down in Miami wrote it.

1:53:48And I mean, she makes it. She doesn't make an argument. She just asked the question. I mean, the title of the thing is, does Shakira deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? And I'll read just a short part here. It says, with that, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is announced 17 nominees for his class of 2026, including major names like Lauren Hill. Phil Collins, Sharday, Luther Vandross, Oasis, Iron Maiden, and Wu-Tang Clan. Now, out of that list right there, just those few, I would think Phil Collins, Iron Maiden, Oasis. I wouldn't consider Wu-Tang Clan, Luther Vandross, through Sharday, or Lauren Hill, be included in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I mean, it's hip-hop names, basically, on that list other than Oasis, Iron Maiden, and Phil Collins. Okay. Well, I understand you don't like the hip-hop names, but I would include the hip-hop names. I would not include Sharday, because there is a pure pop marketability thing that's created.

1:54:54I'm not certain about Lauren Hill, you know, as to including her there either. But, well, she was with solo stuff plus the Fuji's, which she qualified under the Fuji's. Yeah, now, see, here's a weird thing. The Fuji's, as I remember them. They're definitely an American genre of music, but I don't know where I've put them. You know what I'm saying? Because there are certain things that are... Let's get this straight. Every other country did, at least, as far as I'm concerned, follow America when it came to Rock and Roll. So, you know, it was created here. As for how it was marketed elsewhere, and, you know, and reimagined elsewhere, et cetera, that came back to varying results. I mean, you had the British invasion where they pretty much spat back a whole lot of American music at us, one way or another.

1:55:56Whether it's the Rolling Stones, really, really wanting to play the Blues, or it's Eric Clapton, really, really wanting to play the Blues, or it's, you know, and so on and so forth. Or lifted rips slash Led Zeppelin, ripping everybody off, you know, directly. You know, either way, that was a natural sort of imitation them aping us, but then after that things get weird. So, I don't know, you know, Wu Tang Clan, you know, because you object to hip hop. But there is plenty of Rock and Roll in the culture. And hip hop, as much as it wants to be separate from Rock and Roll, is not. And, you know, some people go, that's black music, and Rock and Roll's white music, and, gee, I'm sorry, but I think you forgot about people like Little Richard. You know, founding members, not because they're the only ones, but founding members of this creation of this thing in my mind, is Little Richard, is bow diddly, is guess what?

1:56:59You know, Chuck Berry, obviously. So, you know, you can't say that black people had nothing to do with Rock and Roll. If you do, then I guess you consider that Rock and Roll began in the 1960s, and you're still forgetting a lot of people. So, if it's a black and white thing, then it's dumb. But if it's a purely like, that's a completely separate genre, well, maybe yes, maybe no, because some of the previous genre folds straight on into hip hop. For instance, where would you put James Brown? Does he belong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in your mind? Yes. Okay. So... Oh, a whole lot of it. I think structurally, it's similar, it's unique, but it also fits into R&B, Rhythm and Blues. You know what I'm saying? James Brown, certainly. That's Rock and Roll also.

1:57:59But here's the thing about it. James Brown, fundamentally, forms a whole lot of the sampling foundation for a huge amount of the initial hip hop artist. Funky drummer in and of itself generated something like 150 records. Just saying, you know, and those rhythmic cues and beats were resampled back into what was foundationally hip hop at a certain point. Wu Tang gets even weirder with it. You know? I understand your point. Yeah. I understand your point, but to me, you know, if you want to have the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame... Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing. Victory Lane? Yeah. It's even better with Chamba by my side. Race to ChambaCasino.com. Let's Chamba. No purchase necessary. VTW Group. Boy, we're prohibited by law. CTNCs. 21 Plus. Sponsored by Chamba Casino. Do you love romcoms? Do you wish you could talk about Christmas movies year round?

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2:00:00because black music is responsible for all of these. And it's like, okay, I'm not even going to get into that argument, screw you, block. I'm not even going to go there. Because if you think about it, who's the greatest rapper of all time, a white boy, and it goes by M&M, Marshall Mathers. And people in rap will tell you he's the greatest of all time. I mean, think about it. It's your skills. A white thing is stupid. It should even come in. I don't know. Maybe I'm different. Maybe I'm too much of a pure. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. I just don't think Shakira should be there. No, no problem. But this is why we have these discussions, I think, is, you know, let's air it out and see what it looks like. And quite frankly, look, just, I go back to the foundation. You know, if you want to talk about the originators of this stuff, you can't have rock and roll without the blues. Whose music is that? That is not the white man's music.

2:01:00I'm sorry. However, you also can't have it with just the black man's music. That's why I love that song. You ever hear that song by ACDC? What is it called? Let's, oh, let there be rock. Right? You ever hear that one? Yeah. So, you know, it's, it's an interest, it's an interesting deconstruct. Oh, yeah. No, I love that. Matter of fact, my favorite version was, uh, open a live album, which was called, uh, is, if you want blood, you've got it, uh, which was kind of weird. It's like, uh, I guess young and paled by a guitar on the cover. It's a weird thing. Anyway, um, but that song pretty much lays out the story. Look, these things came together and that's what happened. It was, you know, jazz blues, rhythm and blues. And that stuff got cranked up a little louder and then a guy turned around and figured out a way to amplify the guitar a little differently.

2:02:03And then some idiot in England decided to slice his speakers to make them buzz. And holy crap, we've had an evolution going on for a while. And there was a guy named, uh, what, Ray Perkins, who did a whole lot of groundwork that nobody even thinks of. Which, by the way, to cap this all off, you know what I saw recently in a video short, which means I've definitely lost my mind watching video shorts. Uh, a guy has now come out that they say is actually Elvis. Uh, Elvis is still alive. Believe it or not. Did you see it? No, I've not heard anything about this one. I mean, how is he actually Elvis? I mean, is this guy Elvis at the right age? Apparently he would be Elvis at nearly the right age, you know, depending on how you look at it and the gap. The gap in his teeth matches the early Elvis gap in his teeth.

2:03:06And he has a special problem with his hips that Elvis had his weird, you know, one leg was longer than the other allegedly, you know, just like Elvis. And when one of Elvis's children died, he even went to the funeral this guy. He was photographed there and apparently has been the Elvis living in exile all these years. And he's got some like common name like Ray Brown or something. And he says that finally he's decided to come clean. He is Elvis. Um, I think you might see some more news stories on this when stuff gets slow. But yeah, apparently there's some videos out there that are trying to get viral telling you Elvis is indeed still alive. So goes to show the old supermarket tabloid tricks are still not dead in this day and age, BP. What do you think? I don't know. I mean, I can, I can understand the argument that Epstein is still alive.

2:04:07Glenn Maxwell ain't in jail based off what I've seen. But it's hard for me to accept that Elvis is still alive. I mean, has, has Lisa Marie been, wouldn't that know what was his wife? Was that his wife? Yeah, she's been sending him money all this time. I mean, with all the problems that they've had with the estate and this and that and everything else. I mean, what's he doing for a living? What wasn't making ends meet? Wasn't Priscilla his wife and then Lisa Marie was the kid that died not long ago or am I mixing them up? Priscilla. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yes. No, you're right. Priscilla. I mean, was she slipping in my check every week while he was in hiding? I mean, that's a, that's a tough one to pull off this law. No, and then there's some allegation that he literally showed up at Graceland around the new year and was welcomed into areas that only the family knows about. There's another Trump related Elvis conspiracy thing too that I saw on these video shorts, which was crazy.

2:05:15You know, that that also points to Elvis still being alive. So I don't know what they're preparing for, but I see them preparing for some viral marketing campaign coming soon. Elvis is still alive. And you know what's interesting to me about this is they just had this, you know, found footage of like we have this old film that Elvis meant to release. And now you're going to see an Elvis performance like you've never seen it before restored in modern technology and all that. Have you seen that? No, I have it. Telling you, man, the Elvis thing is about to make a comeback. That's my prediction and you can put that in your bank anyway you want, but it's coming. Anyway, I'll close on that note, but leave you with the last word, be Pete before we get started with the age of transitions and Aaron Franz. Anything you want to drop in since we got no calls and had a spirited discussion just off of your list this week. Great job there, by the way.

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