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One week, two landmark diplomatic meetings, and seemingly no concrete progress made towards ending the war in Ukraine. As the diplomacy grinds on, so does the fighting, with soldiers on the front line and civilians both paying the price. Journalist Masha Gessen and historian Peter Frankopan join the program to discuss.
Also on today's show: musician Jon Batiste (please note the Batiste interview is interrupted for CNN Breaking News)
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