No Monotheism in the Bible!

0:30e well great to the dividing line here we are on a Monday we actually we actually take possession of the new mobile command center tomorrow so I figured it was best to take care of things today I noticed we didn't check the sound here but hopefully that's going to do it right there anyway so we're going to talk about a lot of things around and doing strange stuff on the on the tomorrow and plenty of stuff talk to talk about anyways so we'll jump into things here just reminder we are heading to Utah in just a couple of weeks and we have a debate up there on is the god of Calvinism morally reprehensible and that's from an LDS perspective because I specifically said well we can

1:34you want to use that as the title great but it's actually we're looking at both perspectives okay is the god of Mormonism morally reprehensible and that will be my assertion and also doing a talk on do we need a Christian Constantine may have to actually address the issue is whether Constantine was a Christian you can't question that in eastern orthodoxy by the way can't question that equal to the apostles Constantine yeah there's some few people that are called to be equal to the apostles in orthodox theology or at least some orthodox theology the orthodox like to make it sound like there's just orthodox theology but believe it or not I mean a bay knows to get a Greek orthodox and a Russian orthodox and Ukrainian orthodox the same room and you'll discover the differences but anyway so we got those debates and then the we can before that

2:40I will be debating Shabir Ali from the new RV this will be he's going to be online he was going to be online all the time anyways and I will be online and we will be debating a fascinating topic it's not that he hasn't debated this topic before he and I have touched on a lot of the same things but who continued the teachings of Jesus Apostle Paul or Muhammad because you know Shabir from the beginning Shabir did the same thing that the author of the vindication of truth in 1864 did the same book it's Aral Hach was the name that's not the author that's the name of the book that's the book that so influenced Akhamadidat and really launched the careers of many Dahi Islamic apologists

3:40over the years and so Shabir's been doing the same thing for 20 years and so he'll be arguing that Muhammad returned people to the actual teachings of Jesus because Jesus was Muslim and so he'll do the standard liberal theologian stuff against Paul and Paul disagree with James and this that and the other thing it's your standard anti-polyne stuff using standards he'd never be allowed he would never allow to be applied to the early followers of Muhammad or the Quran or anything like that and what's weird is if he does the same thing that he did with me in 2008 in London and then in 2015 with David Wood he'll literally try to defend Muhammad's view

4:40by numerous logical defense of the Quran now back when I first started listening to him the big thing was the number 19 in 2015 with David Wood it was the number seven remember the Bible code stuff most people don't it was like 1999 I think but for a while there was this Bible code stuff that came out and you know look at this amazing confluence of numbers and all this kind of stuff well they did that with the Quran too you can do it with Shakespeare if you want to it's just requires you know shall we say imaginative mathematics and but there are certain scholars that he quotes and for Shabir it's always been the same thing Shabir will cite a scholar now he rarely gives the actual citation when you look it up it's frequently a passing reference maybe a footnote

5:42most often the scholar doesn't make anything big out of it but Shabir's pulled it out found the reference and within three minutes a single reference by a scholar who may or may not have run with this may or may not have gotten a conclusion out of it becomes as we have seen scholars have proven so it only takes a few minutes of verbiage and all of a sudden a simple reference becomes well it's already proven fact when it's not a proven fact at all evidently assuming that his audience will never check out what he's saying that's the requirement so it's just it's so clear Paul is a contemporary lives at the same time lives in the same context as Christ lives at the same time as the disciples of Christ that the Quran says

6:43the disciples of Christ we may preeminent over all others but the modern Muslim idea is that Paul just wiped them all out Paul's teaching he took over Christianity came up the whole new religion and just the actual disciples of Jesus that were the good disciples the Muslim disciples of Jesus they has rolled over and played dead it doesn't make any sense it truly doesn't but that's how it goes and so it's really so clear though a contemporary author clearly in contact with the apostles that's who Paul is over against an individual who cannot read Greek or Hebrew may not be able to read any language at all

7:43that lives 700 miles away and can end has no historical connection whatsoever to the historical Jesus does not know the content of the New Testament and yet gives you citations gives you exact quotations of Jesus and so Shabir will question what Mark says but he will accept what the Quran says 100 years later says Jesus said without a scintilla of documentary evidence over that 600 years I mean that's indefensible it's utterly indefensible but that's what he's stuck with so that'll be interesting

8:43I hope all the tech works great I hope we have a good connection I cannot remember what the connection was like last time I was there but I haven't been in Utah in over two years about two and a half years it's been quite a while we had our second RV when I was up there last so we had the last one about two years so it's been about two and a half years since I've been up there so you know so it's been about two and a half but I think I mean I think I should have changed radically in that time so we'll see so we'll see so we'll see so we'll see so we'll see so we'll see and we'll see so we'll see so we'll see

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10:49effect of maybe even comes close and so I thought you know what how about we how about invite Joe Hażmire? There have a discussion with meat we can do it remotely. kifosky's church in florida friday night and saturday morning and from here sitting right here and it went really well we had no breakups we had no issues at all uh... there's a meeting issue once but that was probably on my own but as far as the the platform i was able to share my screen real nicely it was very straightforward uh... and so maybe we'll go that direction or whatever uh... but i invite joe henshmer let's let's have a discussion about your claim that first climate

11:52the epistle of climate it's really the epistle of the church of rome the church of corn dated late first century early second century there's arguments about that uh... but let's have discussion about your claim that this in any way shape or form constitutes a testimony to early people authority because there's uh... and and specifically and let's do it based upon the original language tax let's do it based upon the greek tax because for example uh... climate uh... reckoning does what paul does presbyter presbyteros and episcopas are used interchange the big thing that rome is writing corns about is that the crinthians had kicked out their presbuteroy

12:53their elders not their singular bishop there is no reference to a singular bishop there is a generic reference to the the bishop as an office but there is no use of a singular pronoun in reference to a bishop or the use the word bishop the author is anonymous the name names never given plural pronouns are always used we exhort you as fellow christians there is never a bishop that says by my authority as the infallible vicar christ not there and the ecclesiology of the letter is the new testament ecclesiology plurality of elders and at this point in time that's what existed in rome too there was no one bishop so there

13:53it would have been the elders at rome writing to the now elderless church in corns that it kicked their elders out so being able to go into that and go show me a singular pronoun show me where the bishop show me where clement not only identifies himself as the bit the bishop of rome when there is no singular bishop of rome at the time and again i i know the responses well but later you know urna said there was you know urna says writing eighty years later and he's defending the claims of his orthodox branch against the nostics and just think for a second uh... if someone in nineteen if someone today made comment about

14:55who is in charge of the church in nineteen forty six what's the chances that they would have per first-hand knowledge none it's all second is almost nobody that that old is going to be able to give clear testimony of something like that uh... so what the discussion would do would be to allow us to document anachronism because roman catholics are told hey sodas cognitum says this has been the ancient faith of the church is what's always been believed it's just simply not true roman catholics have to believe it and so they function in light of what they've been told to see in history you would never get the roman catholic system of ecclesiology authority justification by faith since that's in their two section thirty two of the epistle very clearly you'd never get that you never get that stuff out of the original language tax

15:55and so we'll see if it if it happens uh... i just put i just put the invitation out there and he seemed willing to think about it and uh... so we'll we'll see uh... but what was i looking for their he did he did he did he uh... oh lego joseph remember him the lds guy he had posted the father fully possesses the divine nature the son fully possesses the divine nature the spirit fully possesses the divine nature basically being drive from the out of nation creed therefore there are three instances of divinity three gods and i responded it's the divine nature not a divine nature there's only one being of god not three not ten not unlimited number is there any of the god i know not any wanting from i say of course so he he linked me to this video

16:57and good old dan McLellan the dan McLellan here's how dan McLellan works you know and i don't know exactly where he is and everything i i saw in our i think we responded on this program to some wacky stuff he said about the new test of homosexuality he's one of these guys honestly that thinks he's the only one that really gets it and look when nt right does that uh... when that is an orthodox guy does that at least they've written massive homes with forty seven billion footnotes and stuff like that at least they can point to something this guy can't point almost anything like that what he does he sits down he says i'm a bible scholar believe me and any just throws out all sorts of disjointed wacky crazy stuff and it's just like

17:59believe me because i'm a bible and most of us who've been teaching long and he's been alive don't just roll over and go yes sir okay a lot of other people do unfortunately and so he has this video he's wearing a venom shirt that's great uh... that always raises things uh... but he says there's no monotheism the bible just so that you are up to speed uh... i remember years ago when um... Richard mal Richard mal was the past president of fully theological senator you may remember that mal got involved with all this ecumenical stuff with the mormons and they had this ecumenical meeting up there and uh... it was it was a mess and

19:00this was back during the america online days when america online just launched and he did this online q and a thing and i managed to get in the q and when i asked him about like i say a forty three ten before me there is no god for him there should be an after me he gave the standard response that you expect from your regular progressivist uh... protest they don't believe that the old testament has any cohesion at all unfortunately the large majority and this is why i you've never i've criticized the people who do the well the majority of scholars believe this majority of scott you know the the hopper mossy and

20:02hang on the resurrection the majority of you know that the minimalist argument for the resurrection i was never bought in any of that the quote unquote scholarly consensus changes fairly regularly and so what you have an old testament studies today is a consensus not based upon having done a lot of debate on the subject is just what has become accepted bad reasons so like the documentary hypothesis the well-housing hypothesis jdp if you're not familiar with it the uh... yowist elwist during on a completely sources it's the redaction hypothesis that the mosaic material is this badly edited cobbled together mess of contradictory material that was put together you know

21:02long long long after the the days of moses and in fact they don't believe moses ever existed moses as a fictional character the most is fictional the pentatook is a redacted cobbled together mess there is no consistency to there is no cohesion they do not hold jesus view scripture let's just put that way okay and this is the majority view and it's not just a mosaic material but everything else from their perspective you can believe anything you can come up with anything um... so this this actually came up interestingly enough i was going to mention this uh... but we're just wandering all the place that i am dan barker through something out at elai iala in their debate a few weeks ago and all is i hadn't mentioned he throughout the ellione argument now what's the ellione argument

22:06i've told the story i remember the motel six hotel room exactly which direction it faced the line ours it was the year that i took my son with me up to thought like city to pass out tracks during general conflict and we were staying at that fancy motel six every time i drive vote by those motel sixes now up there in salt lake city i am astonished at the price on it because when we went up there it was like nineteen ninety nine i'd say per night i'd say now sixty nine ninety nine seventy nine ninety nine per night to stay in the same flea bitten uh... uncomfortable beds that that uh... we stayed in before always sweet and we squeeze lots people there people sleep on the floor is everything i we we did

23:08um... and uh... i just remember i don't know why this it's it's amazing the things you remember in comparison to things you forget but i remember which brown it's probably still in the other room i don't throw stuff out you've just said that's because i take care of my stuff i don't have to go down it was a brown fake leather book bag and i'm crammed on my resources into it because this is before an ipad or anything like that you can't go electronic um... i mean my son who went with me was like eleven um... and he's two months from turning forty forty years old ok so this is what back uh... and i remember i stood there with this and this was stolen but i i i had a truck stolen out of the phoenix college parking lot

24:09uh... years and years and years ago they found it stripped and they had pulled all my books out of it and i had to this nice red leather bound biblie hibibli hibrega student intensive and i was arguing myself do i need to bring this because i was going to be doing four hours on the air live call in insult like city on more minutes and here's my Hebrew text and i crammed it in i could just barely even carry the bag i went ahead and took it the last half hour of the program the last half hour of the program this guy calls it and uh... he identified himself as bill it was actually william hamlin a very young university well the primary people at the time of uh... of the

25:10uh... sort of apologetics group they had at byu he was one of the leading people in farms foundation for recent research in moreman studies existing where i don't think it's been taken over by others um... he calls in and he throws out this very same argument based on doodoro chapter thirty two so when i heard dan barker throwing it out i'm like wow heard this before and it's a it's actually based on a textual variance and so i was able to look it up i had stuff that hillie hebrae kastuka tencia in the back and so i was able to look it up while bill was talking on the air my eyes were still good enough back then to read that small print he grew and i found the variant and i was able to respond to his use of the text

26:11and is used to the variant because i had my hebert text with me that's one of the illustrations that i used when i the next year i believe i thought he grew um... for golden gate and that was one of the illustrations i used why should you bother to learn this language well here's one example where it came in handy and so the whole idea is that well see this verse says that yellow young is the highest god and ellione has divided the earth up and given israel to a lesser god named yawa or jovo and how can you come up with something like that the only way you can come up with that is to say we will interpret this one verse with a textual variant in it in complete contradiction to dozens if not hundreds

27:14of other verses in the old testament and the reason that they don't hesitate to do that is because that's what they believe the old testament text is it's a cobbled together mess of contradictory gobbledy gook and that's what they publish that's what they put in their commentaries so that's how they get away with it that's not jesus's view of the old testament and that McClellan does not hold jesus view of the old testament either so i'd like i said my recollection is we respond to some stuff he did on homosexuality um... did we oh yes yeah we did record that and uh... we recorded all those ktk uh... radio programs from long long long long long long long long long long long long long ago

28:16and they're on the sermon audio page if i recall correctly we respond to what this guy said about homosexuality in the new testament to uh... and went yeah not quite um... he goes on with some other stuff and again he just sits there and he just drones with this condescending you all are so lucky that i'm even talking to you i am so brilliant and no one no one knows what i know type of an attitude just listen to it it it's it's yeah but let's listen to this um... there's no monotheism let's listen to this first part and then respond to it there is no monotheism in the bible hey everybody i'm dan McClellan a scholar of the bible and religion increasing public access to the academic study of the bible and religion and combating the spread of misinformation about the same there are two points to make here the first so the bible acknowledges the existence of other gods from beginning to end

29:17they are repeatedly recognized as deities in the Hebrew bible in greco roman period jewish literature in the new testament in early christian literature now sometimes those recognition's occur alongside pieces of rhetoric that say things like i am and there is no other there is none like me this is the rhetoric of incomparability and we find this in ancient Egyptian literature in ancient sapetamian literature we find it in a number of different places and it is not a philosophical rejection of the existence of other gods it is a rhetorical denigration of them similar to how i as a broncos fan in nineteen ninety eight would quip that the raiders are not a real football team it is not a philosophical rejection of their existence it is just rhetoric and that's okay just rhetoric it's like being a broncos fan and saying that the raiders aren't a real football team it's just rhetoric they're actually acknowledging these other gods exists

30:19but they're denigrated does that sound familiar let's see if anybody in the audience and of course is one person in the audience i can see this really is going to help me very much but i would be really interested uh... because i'm sitting here thinking about another time you heard exactly this if you've listened to our interactions with mormons fairly extensively you've heard probably in my my gut feeling is when i heard this not it wasn't the first time but when i heard this about what was it it was it about yeah it was by seven or eight years ago now but i'm thinking about it member on apology radio me and jeff and quayku the young morgan fellow he's still out there

31:21um... i'm a little surprised i think the last i heard he was still at least nominally mormon uh... haven't heard much of him i don't see him doing almost anything anyway he really melted down badly after all that stuff this was his argument and i wouldn't be surprised at all if he got directly from the department or if it's the same source they're both wrong from i don't know but that's the idea when you read there is no god besides me in scripture you can go ahead and take it down work when when you read there is no god aside from me it's just it's just rhetorical it was that was a common claim uh... in mess with a me in religion it was a you know that it doesn't it really isn't a philosophical claim uh... it's just it's like if you're a broncos fan in the raiders are to real football

32:23that's that's what you have here let's sort of i don't know think about that for a second and maybe compare that to you know not just have a guy sitting there in a venom shirt saying trust me i'm the scholar uh... i know all i have a degree yeah yeah um... not impressed not impressed uh... you will you do the same thing the difference is i go to the text and let the tech speak i don't say it's because i'm somebody special because what the tech says it said long before i was born will say the same thing long after i'm gone and i'm irrelevant okay so i have a very different view of where i'm coming from than dan McClellan clearly has of himself but let's let's look at a text here i'm i may have a hard time getting back to the other

33:23stuff i tend when i get into the texture it tends to take up a lot of time but that's okay uh... Jeremiah chapter ten Jeremiah chapter ten and look i'm not just pulling this out of the hat i have a whole discussion on this in is the more my brother which was published in the nineties and out there for a long time um... here the word which you always speaks to your house of Israel that says yawai do not learn the way of the nations to be terrified by the signs of the heavens although the nations are terrified by them that would be astrology for the statutes of the peoples are vanity because it is woodcut from the forest the works of the hands of a craftsman with a cutting tools so he's talking where is where is where is israel right now israel's in captivity and

34:24the Babylonians are making claims to them about their gods our gods defeated your gods why don't you listen to us um... for the statutes of the peoples are vanity because it is woodcut from the forest the work the hands of a craftsman with a cutting tool they make it beautiful with silver with gold they strengthen with nails with hammers that will not taught like a scarecrow in a cucumber field are they and they cannot speak they must be carried because they cannot take a step do not fear them they can do no harm nor could they can they do any good does it does it sound like Jeremiah is going oh yeah there are other gods um... this is just a rhetorical denigration of them but but they're real gods no they're idols um...

35:24they cannot speak they must be carried because they cannot take a step you think this is a rhetorical statement that well but for israel we only have the one god yeah for israel we don't have the one god that's true but why because the gods the peoples are idols farm nine six five their idols they don't have real existence well but then the grotto romp here oh you're talking about the intertest mental stuff about the unseen realm stuff that hyzer was all big into and all that is that what you're talking about probably I'd assume so but his stuff never stood up to examination against the entire can of scripture either that's the problem it sounds really cool and we can really make us all look neat i almost never have to drink but i mentioned this during the conference i was drinking a lot

36:26if you see the do-point recently it's like below zero it is so dry right now that it is i mean what i just don't want to warn your critics i i think it's not fair game uh... to use that as a clip i was drinking a lot they'll use it anyways they'll use it anyways uh... because they don't care what the do-point and phoenixes look most people just don't realize how dry marches i think you can desiccate anything just leave it outdoors it'll be gone all right anyway um germ i ten six let's get back to see there is none like you oh yeah wait there is none like you oh yeah there's there's no team like the Denver Broncos actually there are lots of teams like the Denver Broncos there's a whole football league of teams like the Denver Broncos

37:26and there is none like you oh yeah wait you are great and great is your name and might who would not fear you oh king of the nations indeed is your due from all the wise men the nations and all their kingdoms there is none like you but they're altogether senseless and foolish they're in a discipline of evanities it is mere wood beaten silver is brought from tarshish and gold from ufaz the work of a craftsman of the hands of a goldsmith blue and purple are their clothing these are all the work of wise craftsmen so they have all been made by man they come forth from the creation but yaway is the true god elohim emeth the true god okay so if yaway germite ten ten right here right there yaway elohim emeth now this also by the way helps you to see

38:27the foolishness of Joseph Smith because we are reading the serm the grove i've got it right there we're going to get back to it today doesn't look like a will but yaway elohim emeth if elohim is always plural how do you even begin to translate this see Smith didn't know he grew he claimed to but how would you translate this yaway is the true gods even in lds theology yaway is a singular individual depending on it i mean whether Smith held the later definition of the first presidency or not now that's a debatable point but still yaway is just one god even in marminism so yaway is the true gods i mean it's absurd

39:29makes no sense yaway is the true god singular who elohim khaim khaim la khaim la khaim yep yeah i know no one seems to learn the roof um did you ever see you do you see hope so uh... yes right there uh... that's Jewish oh no oh no and i they've got me singing it too i've watched filler on the roof i'm gonna be on nxr next week because clearly i'm being paid by maassad ha ha ha ha ha ha uh say high priest of Judeo Christianity anyway okay

40:30him he is the true god în chois over a a a not the true gods He is the living God ok What is the opposite of true Oh Falls HA what is the opposite of living Oh so what are these other gods it is just a rhetorical point about the Broncos no there is a necessarytan mean cancers if you're going to allow the text to have any meaning at all um he is the living god and the melek olam everlasting king at his wrath the earthquake some nations cannot endure his indignation then something fascinating happens here and i know we've gone over this before but we always have new listeners thankfully

41:33this verse right here is not in Hebrew bad looks like it is well yes it's a definitely a smittic tongue but it's an aramaic and you'll notice there is a note yeah it popped up in the other right up right hand corner there this verse is an aramaic that's in the lsb thus you shall say to them the guys that did not make the heavens in the earth will perish from the earth and from under the heavens why would it switch languages because what language of the Babylonian speaking to the Jews aramaic and so in the language that they are to use and give their apologetic response

42:37as the people of israel are being tempted to go after these other gods now that they have insubjugated judgements come upon them god gives to his people in the language they need to respond to the people inviting them to idolatry he gives the very words that they are to say in the language they're to say it and where they say the gods that did not make the heavens in the earth will perish from the earth and from under the heavens every single god Dan McClellan is talking about where there's no monotheism is described in Jeremiah 1011 every single one they all derived from the creation they were not the ex nihilow creator he goes into that later on he's big and oh no ex nihilow oh no no so wise so brilliant uh... how come

43:39the people of israel we're given an answer that assumes that god is the creator of all things not the organizer not moving pre-existing matter around the gods that did not make the heavens in the earth will perish from the earth and from under the heavens if you're god did not create the heavens in the earth not god and it'll perish away that's the exact apologetic given by god to his people in the language of the people who are inviting them to idolatry it is he who made the earth by his power note as throughout israel the claim of monotheism walks hand in hand

44:41with the claim of creation you cannot separate the two read the trial of the false gods watch Dan McClellan saying oh no monotheism in the bible and then you go read Isaiah 40 to chapter 48 just sit there read it for yourself and go you're much learning half made the mad Dan because it has it is he who made the earth by his power who established the world by his wisdom and by his understanding he is stretched out the heavens that sounds like creation of all things by god by power wisdom and understanding not by the use of pre-existing materials nowhere to be found it's right there so you've got Dan McClellan there's no monotheism in the bible

45:41you've got the bible it's right here you're much learning half made the mad okay you can of take that down all right so yeah let's go ahead um... oh really hey you want to do something live it's just popped up twenty six seconds ago twenty six seconds ago you don't get too much more up to date then less than one minute huh alright so according to hillar narius there is a clip here from joewebin

46:44it says it has definitely been an odd extension of his podcast and it's all very personal first swipe at conceptual james the james lindsey and the second one is host all you throw that's me which by the way my nick there whatever you call it id on the x means as free men it's from as free men the third is just to show what some people are willing to sit through for an hour and ten minutes and still call it preaching i got to find out what this is i got to find out what this is all right let's see what the swipes are uh... you got the audio up all right let's let's see what we got here in other words and cause providence in his kindness it's it's often a good litmus test right if you find yourself your christian pastor and james lindsey likes you then you suck you're a bad christian pastor

47:45he hates god but he really likes you there's your sign like that that that means stop here for a second so y'all may remember what is that what's the muscle bound pimp guy that's so popular um... yeah you know we got arrested for you know he brags about how many women he's had sex with and all the rest of the kind of stuff and pimps women and uh... whatever is i've already forgotten what his name was actually i have it right i should have it right here and rotate and rotate uh... and fact this is exactly what i said he put something about about how he wins and i wrote i actually have it right here

48:46uh... if by when you mean die alone degraded empty a symbol of a wasted ruin life that is up to you shortly after you close your eyes and death which may come upon you at any moment especially given the number of people you've abused and used your own pleasure in your life you'll stand before the holy god he is already warned you and given you more than sufficient time and i quoted from act seventeen thirty one i said the empty tomb in Jerusalem is proof god the father is given to all that the day of judgment is coming the judge will be the risen and thrown sun gist of messiah and he will judge in righteousness by your own confession you have no righteousness you have reject because remember he became a muscle and you take it you have rejected guys law dishonored your own body and abused others thousands by your own testimony you are guilty of every form of rebellion before your maker and you have no excuses islam offers you nothing the only hope you can ever have the only hope anyone can ever have is in repentance turning from your evil and rebellion and turning to gist of powerful savior he can take out the heart of stone you now rejoice in and give you a heart of flesh he can teach you despite how scarred and torn your manhood is to be a true man a

49:48true servant he could even show you how to love but not until you turn from rebellion you want to know what winning is I've married the same beautiful woman for almost forty three years my daughter is pregnant with grandchild number six he's born a name hyper the my oldest granddaughter if she marries and has a child around the same age as my wife and I did will give me the chance to hold a great grandchild that mr. Tate is winning guess who like that James Lindsay James Lindsay like that now why would James Lindsay like that when James Lindsay isn't a Christian it's called common grace there are actually people in this world that can go yes pretty obvious that you know that's a much greater life to live than the one of debauchery and dissipation you don't have to be a Christian to recognize that Muslims recognize that Buddhist recognize

50:48so James Lindsay specifically commented on that response and and said yeah listen to this this is important that was it I got grace and nothing to boast in myself but by God's grace and grace alone I've passed that test sufficiently I am thoroughly James Lindsay wait a minute why seriously suggesting that because James Lindsay finds Joel Weben's new NXR wackiness and white nationalism and Hitler apologetics and Nick Fuentes friendship and that that that's the same thing as unbelievers hating the gospel

51:48that's the same thing oh right that's enough okay continuing I've written this in your notes a mute demon oppressed man is brought to Jesus symbolizing another picture spiritual helplessness and bondage Jesus cast out the demon without need of any spiritual ritual or struggle notice it's not just that Jesus exercises the demon but he does it the manner which he does it is with a word it demonstrates absolute authority now the crowds not just not just the individual who is now experienced relief from his prior demonic oppression but all the surrounding crowds are marveling acknowledging not only the degree uh... that that Jesus has such high authority and then last the worst position okay no way uh... i think it's close changed let me

52:50uh... yeah this is different service yeah the the change that the the uh... color of the shirt changed to so i'm not sure going on there but hey we've only got less than a minute left in it let's see what let's see what the second thing was and then last the worst position is be right about some things but also be wrong about other things and don't change anything at all because you're afraid to make you look back whoever that guy is i don't have anybody in mind but don't be that in america's history was predominantly white but it wasn't exclusively white and i do think that we need to not shy away from what i just said we also shown avoid what i'm about to say which is america is unique america's not great britain was just we're not i'm america like we're the country that likes to make fun of great and and rightfully so every fourth of july we you know we kind of we stick it to

53:52our cousins across the point and i think that's a good a good instinct samara okay so i you know he said i didn't have anybody might maybe he does like to do the i've grown i've changed uh... i remember i was in texas um i was uh... preaching at jeffneils church uh... on my way back from wherever it was i had been in texas and i called jol and we had a lengthy conversations last time we ever talked and i warned him about the audience he was trying to court at that time and he talked about well we you know we need to get these young men in and we need to you know i'm i'm just trying to meet them where they are try to bring them to a better place the problem is they brought him to a worser place he didn't bring them to a better place

54:53he's chasing them and so that's why he's moved so much and i warned him and he knows this he knows that i warned he's well aware of it and i warned him against chasing after these clicks chasing after these this the support popularity and that's what he's doing and so this is his way of explaining all the changes you know i mean he's made theological changes the whole reason i was on his webcast the first time uh... we ended up talking about and he's like oh that's oh yeah he now holds that position do you think he did a bunch of studying of thomas equinises writings no he was doing self-esteem wolf and so he changed his view you you get along with people better that way basically

55:53and so there's you know i just popped up so i'm like okay um let's go ahead and see what it's about and uh... play it on the air and it's always dangerous to do things like that but sort of funny that i had the sermon on the grove up in this one particular word processor i use because it's web it's cloud-based so if i write stuff at home it i've got it here and stuff like that and i'd just happen to look down and see thought that i'd use this word processor to write that response to and rotate and so uh... it just struck me that when he said hey if james lindsey likes you uh... that means you're a bad pastor no all that means is you're a real bad thinker

56:56a really bad thinker the the better way of putting it would be if you remain consistent in your application of the gospel will james lindsey know that he needs to make a specific decision about the lordship of christ and his relationship to christ and the claims of not well james lindsey doesn't like me so that means i've passed the test why doesn't james lindsey like because the consistency of your living out the gospel no because of your wacky political stuff and by the way joewebin is right about a bunch of political things i mean there's there's all sorts of there's no end

57:57of truths that can be shouted from the rooftops about the woke left and the absurdity of the divisions in our society and hatred of white people and hatred of founding fathers of the nation and that's that doesn't even take work to come up with that kind of stuff that's that's the easy part it's when you use all that right stuff to cover over the white boy summer stupidity and the hitler apologetics and we're on the wrong side of that and blah blah blah blah blah and that's where you see the animus coming out the jews did this the jews did that and now you see it all over the place i was going to respond actually had a cute up we'll do it next time to that uh... lady uh... what's her name um... yeah pre-jean boulder

58:57yeah carry pre-jean boulder i had a quote from her that i was going to be looking at uh... from roman catholic perspective and it's all about why do pros and even juggles hate the catholic churches and like that we didn't get to it today and i don't know when the next program will be because i have my last my last inspection on this home installation thing and it's on Thursday past the last one so we've got one more to go this was this is pretty much just a formality of giving me the certificate and turning everything on uh... but and the time frame is from seven in the morning to one thirty in the afternoon

59:57so we've either got to uh... go for wednesday and this avoid that completely or go later on Thursday which for you guys in the east is now an hour later even more thanks to you playing with your clocks again so just keep an eye on x keep an eye on the app will let you know when we'll be getting together on wednesday thursday whenever it ends up working out so thanks for listening to the program today even though we just started wanted around on stuff and spent a whole lot more time i thought we would we will see you next time whenever it is god bless