NHL Trade Dudline... Amiright?

0:00T-C-A every jam down T-C-A All right, let's get into it here. Man, I don't know. Feeling a little low energy to be doing this, but I think part of that is based on the day we just saw. The NHL Trey deadline kind of a buzz kill, not a whole lot going on, and certainly some of that would have to do with what my team did, and we'll get into that, we'll get into what went on around the rest of the league, we'll get into what the SENS did. But it was quiet. I'm not sure we still really need the 7-8 hour marathon shows when no action really takes place until like the final hour. Now, I guess it doesn't really matter. You can have those shows if you want. I'm not sure we all still need to watch 7 or 8 hours of trade deadline coverage, but maybe it was just one bad year, right? Some new rules in terms of cap retention and the playoff salary cap, I don't know, people

1:02are throwing around a lot of series, it was just a dull day and not a lot going on. I should say, if you were waiting today to hear from Joshua O'Connor for part three of that conversation, we've been getting some cool feedback on that, people really like Joshua. I really like Joshua. An easy guy to talk to, the conversation goes in all kinds of different places. We will get to part three on another day. I left today vacant for this thinking there would be plenty of NHL trade deadline stuff to discuss. For those of you who've been here for a while, you'll recall last year there was three episodes of the podcast coming out of the NHL trade deadline because it had been that busy. We did one on the Ottawa Senators and what they had got done. We did one on the Leafs and what they had got done because both teams had been reasonably busy on the deadline and the rest of the day still had enough other interesting moves

2:03that we threw down a third one that was just, okay, now let's get to the rest of the league. Today, like I said, I left vacant, we're going to push the third episode of the Joshua series so that we could do this, it barely warrants one. You can probably hear it in my voice, like I'm just not really, I sat out there and I'm taking notes on a couple things and I'm just sort of scrolling through a couple of different articles and looking for stats and anything to make this kind of, you know, feel like it was a bigger day than it was and it just ain't out there, man. So one show on this year's trade deadline as opposed to the three last, which I grant you. Three was overkill. There's barely enough here today for one, so I wouldn't count on this lasting long. As we hit a 6.8% ransacked the universe west coast, IPA, we'll get to the dumb motherfucker

3:06who has been ransacking my team in a few minutes. Let's start with the senators because I think I was a little unfair to the sends on Thursday evening when they made their biggest move and bringing in Warren Fogel. I've always, you guys have been around for a while. There's something about that name. I think I said on Twitter, it reminds me of some nerd that Zach and Zach Morris and AC Slater would have bullied into doing their homework for them while Screech was locked in a locker somewhere at Bayside. I said I probably wouldn't have made the David Peron deal just to bring in Warren Fogel because that's sort of what happened. I know it happened the other way around and we did get a little bit of feedback on whether or not, you know, you can make the Peron deal because he'd already traded for his replacement. At the time on Thursday evening, having not given it enough thought, having not done enough research in the moment, you're just shooting from the hip on Twitter like people so often are. So I just didn't think it was necessary. I think when you get to the playoffs, I would prefer David Peron.

4:11I think this year, if nothing else, you know, assuming Peron gets back in the lineup here over the next week or two, healthy, I think I'd still believe that. He was pretty good in the playoffs for the Sends last year against the Leafs. Believe he had the big game five, I believe, yeah. And so it just seemed like a lot of shuffling for not a whole lot of upside. I get it. Once you bring in Warren Fogel, do you need David Peron? Perhaps not. But given the choice between the two of them, healthy for a playoff run, which we're not certain yet that the Sends are going to have, although it is looking better and better every day, I would have taken David Peron this year. But when you dive into it a little bit, it's certainly relevant that Warren Fogel is significantly younger. I believe he's 29 and obviously David Peron 36 or 37, I believe. So I get that certainly.

5:11And he's $500,000 cheaper and you have him for one more year. So there's a lot more working in Warren Fogel's, gotta stop saying his name, makes me chuckle. There's a lot more working in his favor than I was giving credit for. I was more just sort of, I don't even know what the word, I was going to say disappointed. It's not my team. I don't care. I'd be over the moon if you would start trading away your best players, which David Peron certainly is not. I just, I thought he was going to be a better fit in Ottawa than he turned out to be. And he himself commented on that on Deadline Day on the way out the door going, you know what? I thought that maybe I just, they never really found a great fit for me in Ottawa. And I thought that was reasonable enough. Maybe you're on. I would have said that's how I felt about Zetterland. And yet I'm the further we get into this, less and less convinced it's that they can't find a fit for him.

6:12It's that he's not producing. But that was a guy a year ago on Trade Deadline Day. I thought it was a great pick up for the sentence. And it has not turned out. And sometimes, sometimes it's nobody's fault. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. And Peron this year, you know, he's like we said, he's getting up there a little bit. He's been hurt. You're not quite sure at that age what he's going to look for, look like moving forward. So you know, if I were to backpedal a little bit, I was probably, and I don't even think I roasted them for it, I just said I would, I would have kept Peron around. And if your counter argument to that was well, they already replaced him with Warren Fogel earlier in the day, fair enough. I guess he'll drop into the middle six somewhere. I'm seeing some people trying to push Warren Fogel into the second line. And maybe that drops really graying back down. There's a few different things you can do here. But what's he on pace for nine goals this year?

7:15It hasn't been a good year for him. He is better than that. And I'm sure they're hoping that they'll unlock something here. And he'll be excited to be, you know, in a new environment and all of that stuff. The grass is greener and fresh start and all of those sorts of things. They could apply. But I think if you are banking on him, and I'm not suggesting the senators are, but if as a fan you're banking on that guy being a top six slam dunk, that could be disappointing for you, certainly a very capable third line player. And I imagine he'll get a little bit of a boost out of, you know, the fresh start sometimes is just a jolt to the system. You know, wasn't really working for him in LA. So we'll see. But I would imagine this is more of a third line fit than a second line fit could always be proven wrong, but he's not exactly having a great year thus far. And so I don't see any real reason to expect him to drop in and suddenly fit in the top six.

8:16But you never know, new line mates, new chemistry, you see who he clicks with and you go from there. But not a bad pick up and certainly he didn't give up a ton to get him. I don't know what else I expected from the senators, really not much, I guess. I think we've talked about it on the show, certainly online. I wouldn't have done much if I was Ottawa, just because I thought it was going to be hard enough to climb back into the playoffs at the time we last spoke. I believe Ottawa's five points out. They are now four points out. And that is with having been on a hell of a run where they points in 11 of the last 12 games, 12 of the last 13 games, whatever it's been, it takes time. It's so hard to make up ground. So I believe what I said, what I wouldn't have sold. But I probably wouldn't have bought either, you know, you leave these guys the runway to see if as a group they can get it done and get in and that's great. You don't cut their wings off.

9:18You know, and start selling pieces when you're that close, but I wouldn't have spent a lot to buy. And that is essentially what happened. They swapped out Paran for Fogel, and that's fine. But they didn't sell off a bunch of pieces, but they didn't go and buy either. But it did sound like when Steve Stale spoke to the media after the deadline that, you know, he says they were more aggressive than that. They were trying to do things. So I guess it wasn't for any lack of effort, but just not a lot out there. And look, we've talked about it before. The cupboards are not well stocked right now in Ottawa as far as prospects go, right? Like all these young guys that they got out of their rebuild are already here and already in the lineup with the exception of Carter Yakimchuk, who is not ready. And I wouldn't have traded him either. Like barring some major swing, like some star with term. I would have allowed that guy to stay in the miners and continue to develop. And obviously that's what's going to happen. You're Sanderson's and you're Stutz Liz and you're, you know, Brady's on a slightly

10:20different time frame than the Shane Pinto, like these are all guys. It's a still a young core, but there's not a whole lot of ground swell behind them. There's been some mistakes in the Dorian draft certainly towards the end of his tenure. That means there's not a whole lot to trade to go for it this year. And I certainly have time for the argument that the east is wide open. So if the sends could get in, maybe there is likely as a, as anybody else, as a Detroit, as an islanders, as a Pittsburgh to go a couple of rounds, like I have time for that discussion. I just think when you have so little ammunition to fire, when you're sitting outside the playoffs and it's taking this long just to get caught back up, I'm not sure I would have spent it this year. So they didn't, but I did sort of have keen eye on them all day, waiting to see if there would be one more thing if they would take one more shot at. And as I said, Steve Stale suggested they, it wasn't for lack of trying, but at the end

11:21of the day, it is not a whole, the cram Clark is coming back. That was sort of, man, it felt like trades dropped really, really late. That cue that they always tell you, you know, stick around after three o'clock, sometimes more trades trickle in after the buzzer. Hey, man, it felt like that carried on for hours. This time, normally it sort of feels like by 345, 350 at the latest, it's done. And everybody kind of gets the add, no, they're done. They're done. They're done. The press conferences, everything are going on. The things trickled it till like five o'clock. One of the very late ones was the sense picking up this gram Clark kid who I won't pretend to know anything about, but that was really their, their only further action. And it's probably the right approach, at least in my mind, as I said, you're close enough that you don't pull the carpet out from underneath your guys, but not close enough that you go all in, try and to, you know, bring in significant additions that are going to cost you pieces, frankly, you don't have.

12:25You know, I just, is it possible to be not at all surprised and yet super disappointed at the same time because that is sort of how I would frame my, my feelings about the Leafs today. Look, I don't know how long I've been sitting here saying this and maybe you agree with me, maybe you don't, Brad to living is, is not a good general manager. And today it cost you, I've also been saying Craig Perube is not a particularly good coach or at least not the right coach for this group. And today that cost you to somehow when you weren't even on the ice. And yet like when you go into it and you go, man, they're in a bad spot and man, we've got the wrong guy at the helm, trying to make the deals today. So you're sort of going into it, being like, this is probably not going to go that well, but you're hoping for more, you're like, maybe he can surprise me, maybe prices get crazy.

13:28And so you end up getting more than you expect all of that kind of thing. You allow to get in your head and you come out of it and you're like, I didn't expect you to be any good at this and somehow you were still a let down. Like I look around and it doesn't happen until the very last look. We can talk about the Nikola Wah trade on Thursday for a first round pick. That's fine. I think it sucks that it came to that. I think it sucks that coach Craig Barouba gets to sit there and say, well, you know, we didn't get as much offense out of them as we would have liked. Hey, how about you stop pairing them with Dakota Joshua? What did you think was going to happen? I'm not sitting here telling you that Nikola Wah should have been on like you're in your top six or playing second, but you can't bury the guy in the defensive zone. Give him shit line mates and then be like, ah, we really hoped he would have produced some more points. And I'm sitting here like I was fine with the defensive zone usage.

14:28That is the way I would have used Nick Wah, but I'm not going to bury him on the way of the door afterwards who you didn't score. You know, shity started every shift in the defensive zone. And again, to me, that's defensible, but what you're roasting them afterwards. So I imagine because he also spent most of his defensive zone face offs on Simon Benoit's defensive pair. So it's not even like you had somebody, if you won the puck back to them that was going to help you break it out and get out on the rush or anything like that. So when I say that the coach helped devalue our guys and get you less, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about because Nick Wah, perfectly capable third line player in Vegas. He's about to become well, I would have said a perfectly capable third line guy in Colorado until they reach out and grab cadre again, which will push him down to fourth line, which he's absolutely capable of doing. But when I looked at that to start, and I wasn't even sure if they would trade Wah, and

15:31you know, well, you get a first, and I think it was a conditional fifth or whatever to that one. Yeah, fair enough, not a bad start, but it never took off from there. You traded Bobby McMahon for a second and a fourth. There's hardly any impact forwards out there, this guy who skates well, shoots well, loves to forecheck, and is going to be making like one and a half million. And if you want to, you can retain. You can take that down to 750 grand for a team who might need, you know, the guy to come in even cheaper, Leafs are swimming in cap space, have all three retention spots. You can retain to the end of the year on that. You get a second round pick and a fourth round pick. The second round pick is not until next year, neither is the first round pick that you

16:36got for Nick Wah the day before. And the one that really fucking irks me, perhaps more than the rest, is Scott Lotton gets a conditional third from the LA Kings. Now that third round pick can turn into a second round pick if LA makes the playoffs, but LA spent the rest of the week selling. More infogul out the door, Cory Perry out the door, Cory Perry by the way, the corpse of Cory Perry, the 40 year old half alive, Cory Perry got a second round pick out of Tampa. And useful bottom six center who can still penalty kill and is much better skater, much younger, he gets a third. This is awful, awful asset management.

17:39The Leafs traded a first and a useful bottom six player that was reasonably popular with the fan base last year in Gribankin to Philadelphia to get Scott Lotton. The coach immediately plunks him in as your fourth line center, tanks his value, gives him like no opportunity to do any and I'm not one of these people who says you should have been given a chance to skate in the top six or whatever else, but you played him with fucking Callie Yarnkroak and Steven Lorenz all year. What do you think was going to happen? You traded a first round pick and a young prospect for a perfectly capable third line player, tanked the shit out of his value, playing them on your fourth line with no help and turned him into a player that was only worth a third round pick in exactly one calendar year. What the fuck? Disaster. When he was asked exactly that, how did this happen? How did you spend that much to get him a year ago and only get this for him a year later?

18:45Well, the market dictates, you're the market motherfucker. You're the only one in the world who offered Gribankin in a first for Lotton a year ago and couldn't get anything more out this year. Nick Dowd was traded from Washington, a legit actual fourth line center. He gets a second and a third for Washington. Scott Lotton is only worth a conditional third. You're terrible at this. So I don't know if the general manager just doesn't talk to the coach. A, didn't talk to him last year at the deadline and said, hey, going to go get Scott Lotton, what do you think of that guy? And had the coach said, I don't like him, fourth line on my team at best, then you don't make the trade. Didn't talk to him again, coming down the stretch. When you realize you're dead and buried, you're going to be selling at the deadline. Hey, we need you to showcase Lotton a little more, play him up a little more, give him

19:47a couple more opportunities here and there, try and put some shine on him. Nope. No conversation either. Just let him sit there and sower on the fourth line. And by all accounts, a great team guy, a guy everybody loves, I liked him. Performer Asha would general captain was happy to see him wear the leaf. Now just another regrettable fucking chapter with these two geniuses at the helm. I don't know, ma'am, nothing else gets done. Like I said, you have all three retention slots. You can hold salary on anybody. And you're not creative with it at all. You did nothing with it. You couldn't get somebody to take Callie Yarnkroek and get you a sixth round pick. You had to pay him like 150 grand with what's left on the season, your ability to retain.

20:51Obviously, we got Domey back in the middle now. That's a fucking disaster. Carlos still here, OEL still here, Riley still here, although I always expected if he's going anywhere, that would be over the summer. Just zero plan, zero creativity. Like you talk about this organization and their ability to look down the road at all, you went just over the last week, Eastern Cowan did not go to the Marlies during the Olympic break. You can sit around because we believe it's better for you to develop here in the NHL. Back from the Olympics, Eastern Cowan healthy scratch. All right, Eastern Cowan in the lineup on the fourth line plays eight minutes. All right, to Eastern Cowan on the top line for two straight games with Matthews and Nylander. What is the plan? You have no idea what you're doing with this guy tonight tonight. Healthy scratch, fourth liner, top liner.

21:51There is no concept here between this coach and this general manager of what we should be doing. What's best for this kids to do anyway, that's a whole other thing. But it's a perfect example over the course of one week, not good enough to be in my line up. Fine, I'll play him, but only on the fourth line to, oh, I guess I'll put him on the top line. You have no idea what you're doing, no idea, no ability to use all the cap space you got, no idea how to use the retention, like just zero creativity. You got walked, man. You can look around at Cory Perry, Nick Dowd, fucking Michael McCarran gets a better return than Scott Lotton. Are you serious? If I can take you back in time, kids, back in my day on the schoolyard, used to play

22:51Pog, used to play marbles. You'd always find, see if you could find some dumbass kid that would play you his best possible Pog for your shittiest one. You'd look around on the schoolyard for that kid, I can be that kid, I'm going to take his best, that's Brad trill living. Everybody else out there making reasonable trades, getting pieces in return, I'll circle by Toronto, see if I can rob them blind, fuck, and you can. And the worst part of it, honestly, if I can stop being so snarky and I probably can't, none of the picks you got, none of the good ones. Like I said, the Scott Lotton, third round pick, could turn into a second round pick if LA makes the playoffs, but they're currently out of the playoffs and they looked much more like sellers today than buyers.

23:53But the second round pick you got for Bobby McMahon and the first round pick you got for Nick Waw are in 2027. So you're nowhere closer to what you're going to do next year. Like I guess in theory, if you're any good at all next year, which at the moment you've done nothing to convince me is likely, you could trade those picks at the deadline next year, but you need to be improving now. You needed young players now, you needed prospects now and failing any ability to get that, which you showed, you need picks now. So that one of two things can happen. They can start to contribute to your lineup, which badly needs young players soon. Or if we are headed down to the very dark place that it looks like we're headed and Nielander and Matthews are going to be going, this, this rebuild can be shorter. It starts sooner because you get these guys this June, not next June.

25:00So you didn't get picks this year. You didn't get young players this year. You didn't get prospects this year. You got draft picks for maybe later if you don't trade them. And this GM, I know what he's fucking going to do, just a horrible, horrible, I don't know, Myrtle had on his Twitter, you don't give today, or the deadline period, a letter grade, ABC or F. I would have gone D, but apparently they don't give you that many options on Twitter. So I did give them a C. You got picks, you got something for the expiring UFA's. I should have given an F. I would have given a D if that had been listed because while you did do it, you weren't creative, you didn't do it well, you didn't fleece anybody. In fact, you got fleeced.

26:03I should have given the F. Like it was, it was better than nothing, but you could tell at the end, they had talked them, none of these, or neither of these deals today came until the very, very, very last second. You could tell it was fine, just give us something, give me anything, as opposed to having a plan. And I'm not crazy. I'm not sitting here saying all these guys should have gotten you a first and a prospect. I'm saying you got to get more for Scott Lotton than Washington got for Nick Dowd, for Michael McCarran, for Corey fucking Perry. What the hell? How are you this bad at the end? Like I said, it all fits together. It all fits together. You make bad deals, you give them to a coach who doesn't know how to use these players, he devalues them and then you turn around and makes shit deals for them because they don't have the value that they should anymore. And you're certainly not capable of negotiating somebody into overpaying. So like I said, I never thought I've said it on this show before that they need a

27:12retool, competent management can get you back into the playoff conversation next year, but that this is not that management. So I was not expecting home runs today, I was hoping certainly for home runs today, but I was not expecting home runs today. And yet somehow they came up even short of that. Not a young body in the door, not a prospect in the door, nothing in the door that's going to play for you next year when you supposedly hope to contend again. Couple of interesting things around the rest of the league. I'm a little surprised Montreal was as quiet as they were. I think I said on the Monday show that they shouldn't have felt pressured to do anything. Many last year when they arrived earlier than most expected, I certainly would not have

28:12blown my brains out, you know, last year because sometimes you got to make sure, are we actually arriving or have we arrived a little early, what's going on, right? But this year you're here for a second straight year and you're here despite pretty mediocre goaltening. I thought they might have looked to address that. Certainly everybody's been talking about the idea of a second line center. They stay quiet and stay patient. I don't hate it, but I am a little surprised by it. I thought Detroit, I didn't really know what to expect out of Detroit. Justin Falk is a guy, but when you've seen Buffalo roar into the picture, when you've seen Tampa be as good as they've been and they didn't do a ton either, I thought they might do more. They do go out and get Corey Perry, a guy they're familiar with. I thought Detroit might be a little more active and it's the same reason for a lot like

29:13the East is not scary. It's just a lot of like, you could convince me right now that Buffalo will play in the conference final this year with how hot they've been. You could also talk me into them being out in five games in the first round, just not having enough experience and I don't know who's doing that to them because there's going to be a lot of inexperienced teams in the playoffs this year. But I mean, I guess point being, I don't know how great they're going to be in the playoffs. I don't know how great Detroit's going to be in the playoffs. I don't know how great Montreal is going to be in the playoffs. I assume Tampa will be great. I don't know why I assume that they keep getting their asses kicked by Florida, but Florida isn't going to be around to do that to them. Carolina seems to have a two rounds and out philosophy, which is one round better than the philosophy my team. I was going to say has, but they seem to have adjusted that philosophy to no rounds and out.

30:13But are you really scared of Pittsburgh this year? Are you really scared of the islanders this year? Columbus is hanging around. I don't know. So there's sort of this, this competing argument of like, do we throw everything into this because it's wide open right now? And let's see if we can make this happen for us this year and push through a week east. Or is there kind of this, we don't have to do that. The east is soft enough that let's just, let's just take a shot at it. Or I don't know how real we are if you're Buffalo or Detroit. We blow our brains out and just find out when we get there. Oh, shit. We're not actually ready for this. So that was interesting. I thought Tampa would do more. I certainly thought Detroit would do more. I thought Buffalo, Buffalo did. I kind of liked how aggressive they were trying to get perico. He wouldn't wave his no move clause so he doesn't end up there.

31:13They do turn around and go get Luke Shen and Logan Stanley, which is similar style, but not as good. And it does sure up their right side a little bit, I suppose. I don't know. It just, it was interesting. In the west, you know, Dallas goes and get Tyler Myers. That's not doing much for me. Minnesota was active. I just, I don't know what it is. They've been hot as hell since they got Queen Hughes. I just, I still don't believe them. I don't think they're real. I think Colorado takes them down quick. I think Dallas takes them down quick. At the moment, that's the one that looks to be the matchup, right? Dallas versus Minnesota, I'll take Dallas. Like you look at what Minnesota's got up the middle. It's Ryan Hartman, it's Joel Erickson, it's Michael McCarran, like, it's just guys. That matters in the playoffs.

32:14So I don't think they get by Dallas or Colorado. But I admire them for at least taking a shot at it, but I don't think the west is as wide open. I mean, the Pacific certainly is. I was looking today. Anaheim's in second place in the fucking Pacific. I did pick them earlier in the year to, like, get hot and be around and maybe make the playoffs. Fuck the Pacific's bad, man. Speaking of which, it got a little bit worse when Calgary shipped out Nazum Kadri to Colorado, sent him home. I mentioned there a little while ago. I'm really happy for Nazum. I think that's cool. Calgary gets a first round pick out of it, Victor Olifson, who's supposed to be a scoring winger, who sometimes forgets to score. There was a couple other picks involved. I don't have it all right in front of me, but Calgary did right by Nazum. It sounded like it was really important to Naz to do well by the flames. He was happy there. He had been a leader there by all accounts. They had treated him well, had given him the good contract, the big contract.

33:18And he didn't want it to look like he was anxious to get out of town, right? Just trade me anywhere. I don't want to be here anymore. By all accounts, he was worried about that perception. But I think when it is to go back to Colorado where he had so much success, where he clearly fit in, I think he avoids that look and they interviewed him on TSN after the trade. Nick came in, again, one of the very, very, very late ones that apparently happened at the last second and he sounded over the moon, like go back to the best team in the league who has Brock Nelson and Nate McKinnon and now Nick Waw and himself up the middle. That's fucking elite. And I don't really know how Colorado pulled it off. They did manage to get Calgary to eat 20%, which by all accounts, they didn't want to do. There's still a couple of years left on that deal.

34:19But I liked that a lot for Colorado in terms of just winners and losers, right? That's Colorado was already perhaps the favorite to win the cup and they had Nazum Kadri and Nick Waw. They will be a tough out this year in the West. Anaheim adds John Carlson, I don't see that coming at all, but I do admire the fact that your guys have done, even in a weak division, like all that you could ask them to do. They're sitting there in second place, no one thought they would be this high up. Go get them some help. Like go get out there and see if you can provide a little bit of something, a little bit of stability on the right side. I don't expect it to be long term, like I don't think John Carlson's going to stay there. I believe that one broke after I had gone to bed Thursday night when I saw Friday morning I was kind of a double take. Is there another John Carlson? Like those are two pretty common names, right John Carlson?

35:19There's got to be no, it's that fucking guy. So good for them. You know, I like that. Carolina as I sort of circle around just in my head didn't do much. Nick DeLorean, like I guess, go get yourself a face puncher if you think of that switch in need, but it wasn't what they need. But maybe it's what I said or maybe they don't think they need anything more to get out of what is looking like a pretty soft east. But if I was them and I had taken this many runs at it with this group and this coach, I might have not sat back this year. I might have seen this soft east and got this is our chance. I wouldn't say last chance, but certainly one of our last chances. Maybe we go out and find a way to get cadre done, right, something like that. But they choose to stand pat and don't make any significant additions other than a face puncher for some reason.

36:21And that's that. Anyway, a bummer of a deadline date just in terms of quality, right last year, like it's so much happened, man. And a lot of people are blaming the new salary cap rules, the playoff salary cap rules, the double retention rules. It's probably all tied in there, but everybody said that was going to happen. Like, be careful what you wish for when you put that shit in the CBA. It'll stall trades and look, it's stalled trades. So all of that, just ahead of what is supposed to be a fairly lackluster free agent class this July 1st and a rising salary cap that means teams do not have to. Let their guys walk, right? Teams have cap space to just keep their guys and stop them from getting to free agency. So we could be entering a pretty new era here where if you can believe it, player movement is even more limited than it has been for the last little while around the league, which

37:27kind of sucks. Nobody has more fun at the their trade deadline than the NBA and the NHL couldn't be more polar opposite. But that's where we wrap this one up. I'm sure Rob will have some thoughts on the deadline on Monday as well, plus we'll be into the WBC by then the sends will have played again will have I assume seen Warren Fogel make his make his debut. But we'll see what else has happened by the Monday morning show with Rob plus stick around here over the next week or so at some point when the when the mood strikes, we will drop that third episode with Joshua O'Connor as well. If you've missed those one, this is the there's two of them up already. One dropped on Wednesday talking about his work as a cameraman shooting the world juniors and the women's under 18s. And then the Thursday edition was a what's wrong with the CFL we asked a guy who worked in that league for a very long time there in Joshua O'Connor so check those out at

38:28Talkianaudio.com or wherever you're hearing me right now. That'll do it for tonight. Hope you all have a fantastic weekend. We'll see you on Monday.