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1:00These are functional works of art, stunning design that never sacrifices performance. Enjoy customizable features for elevated comfort and convenience. It's more than a fixture. It's a cleaner routine and a more refined space. Experience the difference of collar smart toilets. Find more at coller.com. Can I have a moment of Kentie Blitz asked Kentie Edition? We've got a lot of questions here today, Kentie. Don't forget to put your questions down below and we will do our best to answer them. We obviously don't answer the same people every time. Through the week two. Through the week, yeah. Through the week as well, because we can't answer it. When we put the show out Sunday, we can't answer it when it's on beneath that show, can we? Because it's already out. Exactly. Well, people didn't put the questions there. Yeah, that's all right. Yeah, we... Yeah, yeah. But it means you've got to wait at least a week. Exactly right.

2:01All right, let's go, Kentie. We've got a lot today, so we're going to ask you to go quickly. Damian Box, thank you for shining a lot on the debacle that is Parameter. Why can't we just sign a play without the whole world knowing just once? Why can't Parameter's recruitment just get it right? Well, look, that just comes the end of 40 intellect, doesn't it? And not every club is equal in that capacity. Like everybody's got their people who look for... Yeah, who are highly regarded, good at their job, great at recruitment, and they've got their systems in order. And if every club was the same, then we'd see a much tighter competition. It's just natural law of nature that some people are better at their jobs than others. And Parameter have really struggled in recent years to try and get that right now. I'm not going to get too much into their recruitment, but there are some funny things going on there. There's been some strange decisions being made. I think it began back in the area when Brad Arthur was there, and they took power from Brad Arthur and formed a little recruitment committee. You generally got to trust someone.

3:01You got to get the right person for the job, trust them to do the job the right way. You cannot get the right answers by having committees. It's... Again, we go back to Jack Gibson. Jack Gibson was, when he first started coming in, committees used to pick the team and give them the team. And Jack said, no, I'm picking the team. And that's the old line he had in one of his books. You give a instruction book to committees to build a horse and they'll build a camel, you know what I mean? And that's unfortunate. Parameter still got a committees. Keating, you're talking about decisions by committee. Remember the dragons? When Mary McGregor was in charge, there was a selection committee. Yeah, and he couldn't choose his own team. Yeah, and look at the absurd. In the modern game, in this age of professionalism, if you can't trust the coach to pick the team, the right team, if you can't trust the recruitment head to recruit the right players, obviously they do that in consultation with other people. But to sit there in a committee where you're basically, okay, let's put our hands up and see who... Yes, do we sign them or no, we don't.

4:02That's just ridiculous. And Hiltar, Ken, you mentioned in the past that one of the main reasons why the NRL pursued the Vegas round was because they wanted to get a piece of the US betting market. But this failed because of law changes. Were the law changes state, as in Nevada, or federal, and can you please explain again what the NRL was actually trying to do? Look, I believe it was federal changes or law changes. I'm not quite sure. Just to take you back, I'll put this in layman's terms. The NRL used to get a cut of profits from the local bookmakers, okay? So let's, for example, throw up a figure. So they took $100 million and they got... Yeah, they had to... They won $110 million out of money that they took. That $10 million they would pay as a... Like a tax to the NRL. When Philanities came in on the commission, he went after that and he challenged him

5:02and it was heading for court. I might have even been through court for all of them. I can remember. But basically, he got a change from the NRL getting a commission on profit to a commission on turnover. So rather than getting a commission on that $10 million on top of the hundred, they got a commission on the whole 110. And it immediately transferred into a bonus of 30 or 40 million at the time, which the NRL has continued to profit by. It's actually much more than that now. They tried to do the same in America where, and they tried to get the sport over there to introduce it to people to show, look, we've got this game here. And by the way, you can bet on it. And then they were gonna go after the betting agencies to say, well, listen, you're using our IPA intellectual property to profit by. So we want a return on that turnover. A clip, yeah, they basically wanted a percentage of it. But what happened is the American law, and it started around, it started well before the NRL tried to do this,

6:04but it looked like there was a period there where the law was gonna change their way, but it didn't end at hasn't. I think they called it like an integrity tax. We're basically because the integrity of sport America is much more severe on gambling than it is here in Australia. So they brought in a, they basically banned any code, any sport from making any money from that betting turnover. So not even the NFL gets a clip out of the money that they're betting agencies take. So that immediately obviously ruled out the NRL. So the NRL don't get any money there. So that was where they were gonna basically make, that was anticipating it was gonna be 20 to 40 million early on, of money that just basically they had nothing to do. They didn't have to do anything to get. But the American law, I think it's a federal law, but that's been changed, they can't get any clip out of that now. So that betting motivation is not there anymore. But what happened in the meantime was the Vegas round became such a rousing success in such a publicity machine for the game

7:08that it's worth continuing with. And it's such a, it's such a feel good start to the season for everybody. It's worth continuing with. But the money, the original, the, yeah, the Trojan horse, I would speak of going to America was to get into that gambling money. The other big thing it does is the Vegas round is it sucks the area out of all the news back here and it puts the, puts the focus on the NRL. All right, let's get going. The bean asks, what's going on with all the Ford passes not being called, especially from dummy half. Also knock on, so I remember it used to be dropped the balls and knock on. Well, I don't know what he means by that last bit because he's pretty much you still dropping the ball to knock on. But look, this all started when we started passing flat out of dummy half. There used to be a time, there was a time when you went when the play the ball occurred, you had to be five minutes, the attacking team had to be five minutes beyond the play the ball. So it was always, you could always say, go backwards. But now they play flat. They do that so they can get a better role on get more momentum.

8:09And the referees in Lonesman just miss it now. The fans with flags, they should be picking it up, but they don't. Lonesman. Yeah, the Lonesman, they should be picking it up, but they don't, they should be helping the referee in that capacity. But look, most, you know, every now and then one gets pulled up and generally when it does, it's a no-brainer. Some are very, and this is why they don't do everyone because some are really lawn ball and you can argue either way and you argue, man, mentor more whatever you want to do, which, anyway, but I know it's a bugbear for a lot of people, but it's a hard one to fix other than bringing back a rule that you have to catch the ball, a certain amount of meters behind the play the ball at which point, and if you remember back then, like I can, people will argue in the first place, they'll see the court the ball whether it's back five minutes, or only back four. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like we just have this amazing ability to find different points of an argument. And can you also mention, I think you mentioned, maybe, on par on time about Chris Anderson revolutionized that with the flat attack from the UK. Well, he did that. He brought that back from England when he did,

9:10and he just turned canary around as the head coach and went to Melbourne and employed the same strategy, won premierships at both clubs. Mr. Darkplace says, which of the NRO teams do you think would be the most likely to win four premierships in a row like the Panthers and what are the most important factors to do it? Oh, look at the... Juniors, I think. Oh, you've got... You've just got to have your recruitment right, because one thing Panthers have done, I think, which they've really been underappreciated for, is when they lose a player, because when you win a premiership, everybody's value goes up. Even the mid-level players, their value goes up at another club that's looking to improve their station from, say, tenting the competition to try and get into the finals and things like that, like really good back rowers, or those middle-level, middle-salary players. You've got to get your cap right, you've got to have players coming through constantly, so when you lose a player, another player comes in.

10:11Now, that lends itself to juniors, paramata, Brisbane, you've got to have great... Can we have good juniors? You've got to have good juniors in place. It's not... There's no one thing to say why this could happen. The fact that only one team is one, four in a row since the 60s shows you how tough it is. It's 60 years since someone's one, four in a row. So it's pretty tough to do, and it's a pretty special thing that Penra has done. But you've just got to have it all right. You've got to have your cap in place, you've got to have a couple of star quality players who are at the very elite level... In-key positions, two in a team. You've got a clear guess off back, that's the next step. But you've seen over the years, like the fact that Penra's late lua go, they always knew that they were going to lose lua if this success continued. So they actually had Sianic Atoa ready to come in behind him. And Brisbane, the dolphins went nab team when he was still a Debbie Ton essentially hadn't played any first-grat, but they could see that Penra's had even sitting there ready

11:14who in two years' time when lua would just process yourself out of Penra's salary cap, they'd have him to come in, and he would probably only last three, four years there himself, and then he moved on as well because he's such a talent. Dolphins interrupted that plan a little bit, but that's... You've just got to have it all just well oiled and all moving the same direction. And Penra's had the model for every club, don't worry about that. Brisbane should be up there as well, given the advantages that they've got, but things obviously aren't going that well at the moment. The thing that any other new club would have in the next decade or so is three new clubs coming in plus the dolphins. I mean, the dolphins kind of broke it up, and now you've got Perth, now you've got Puppa New Guinea, and probably... Well, I actually think it's going to make it easier to do... To win a grand final? Yeah, I think it's going to make it easier to stay at the top, so to speak. Interesting. Because it dilutes talent, so the talent is more valuable to you. Nathan Cleary will be a better player in the next three years

12:14than what he's been in the past three years, because he's going to come up against up to 90 new players who right now are not good enough to play in the NREL. Yeah, but he's still going to win the grand final, I guess. Yeah, but he's got a round-eat. He's got a round-eat. Well, not if he'll be a better player. By diluting the talent, the better players are more valuable and are more effective. But the talent will be diluted amongst the team, so... Yeah, but you have to... Nathan's talent. No, but those players are round-eat. You've been able to put it up against him, because they're going to be diluted as well. Every team will be diluted, so the better players, if you've got three or four origin players, you're going to have a big hit start on a lot of teams. I know they're not doing it at the moment, but I reckon the roosters have a chance to go on a run. If they can re-solid Sam Walker and they go well with injuries, I reckon they have the talent coming through in the juniors. I know they're not showing it. I think it'll be a long time before we saw four... Yeah, absolutely. ...for an overall game. All right, Shane Crompton, the debate over the NREL Wildcard weekend underscores a major challenge

13:16maintaining fan engagement for bottom half teams, like in the season, rather than a controversial Wildcard system, the NREL should launch a straight knockout tournament for teams finishing ninth to 16th. Oh, okay. No, I mean... Listen, let's say this. We are... This is Elite Sport. It's not Keepsport, we're on Get to Ribbon. Who gives a ruts ass about nine playing against 16? Who really cares? If it's on my TV, I'll turn it off. I know the players don't. They don't care. No. Because they understand what they trade all year for. They trade all year to win a pre-miss. And they switched off. Like you just... Yeah. To sit there and pretend that we all give a shit about four-least doing something. They're out of the comp. Right, they're out. Let's move on. Like you have to... To win a competition, it has to get narrow at the point of it. You have to get narrow. To finally, there's any two teams left. You can't have everyone else playing

14:17because we can have a... A Kumbaya armament. It's just... Who cares? There's not a competition in the world where you keep playing and playing and playing. And even when you've been knocked out of contention, you still allow the crew to play. Yeah. The inter-rolls are going to go one day. We'll have a 24-round competition. And at all 20, you'll make the Vade 70 falls. They'll be round-roading format from there. And we'll all be happy, and honestly, the 27 rounds that they play for now has to stand for something. You have to... The attrition, the toll on your body, the toll on your club, all of that, it has to stand for something. That what's the point again to the end of the year? You've gone through all that and then everybody gets a chance to win the competition. Yep. And Kenny, this whole wildcard thing, right, it's come from the NFL, right? The NFL have 32 teams. We have 17 teams. And we're at the moment we have nine games in the finals, right? That the wildcard in the NFL is 13 rounds in the finals. Yeah. With twice as many teams. Yeah. So what, they don't...

15:18No, like... They have wildcards because they have... Unlock cards, everyone complains in our game where you only play some teams once and others twice. They have... Because of that, they have 32 teams, now there's 17 rounds. There are teams you don't even play during the season. Yeah. And sometimes in your year of four team conference, or a five-team conference, you might be in there with the best... You might be the second best team in the whole league, but because you've got the best team also in your conference, and then you get argue, well, hang on, we're not getting a shot at it because they're slightly better than us. Yep. That's why they brought the wildcard in to give that second team an opportunity to... Because they don't play everybody to level it out. Not to give the tenth team in a 17-team camp, a girl, or 18-team camp. Play us into the bin that's put your NRL same-game multi-at-risk, try out points bets, new pull-in feature, which lets you remove a leg from your multi before the start of the second half. That's right. If one leg's letting the side down, just pull them. Adjust your bet before the second half kicks off

16:18and keep the fire alive. See your account for eligible games and personalised Mac State limit. Pull them. Only available on points bet. Yeah, that's built different. Chances are you're about to lose for free and confidential support, call the number on the screen, or visit the website. Gaz Brown. Was there any ever any negative rumblings about Magic as a coach as the keyweeds on New South Wales team? No. He said, so much success, a short term. Do you think he should just stick to short terms? No, look. He's won premierships at Wigan, South Sydney. Yeah, good point. And the Brisbane Broncos. Hmm. He's successful. All right, next question. Dan Verme. Twitals seems to be extremely passionate about playing winning, losing, things that go right, wrong or right. He seems to get very extremely happy or extremely disappointed. Who is the most passionate player you've ever witnessed in rugby league? Tommy Rodriguez. Yeah. Oh, yeah, Tommy. Tommy was just... It's like that. I think I've told the story when they played paramatter

17:18and he went to Newtown and Newtown where we're a really rubbish side. And he split his head open. They've turned into a t-shirt, this photo. Split his head open. And they went to the dressing room at half time. They're playing the paramatter side that became the great paramatter side that won the Grand Finals in 818-283. And Newtown were hopeless when Tommy got there. And the doctor's trying to stitch about half time as well as Ryan's giving the half time of speech. And Tommy kept pushing him away. And Ryan's doing the X's and O's and Nick, we've got to hit the left side here. We've got all this sort of business. Tommy just got up, pushed the doctor out of the way, pushed the referee out of the way. And he just got the blood. And he just walked it down his face like that. And he said, bleed with me. That's, he said, bleed with me. And Newtown went out and give it the paramatter in that second half, won the game. That's the moment that club turned around. Because suddenly they had this belief, this guy can take us anyway. And Tommy just led from the front.

18:18Tommy used to take the, you look at the 9 in 81 brawl in that final against mainly. When it all breaks up and they finally settled down the brawl, the guys for about three minutes. Newtown get the penalty. Tommy hits it up off the tap and runs straight at Les Boyd. And when he gets close to him, he throws the ball out. He's been sastrown punches again. And it's all again. Yeah. And he was, the great thing about Tommy, it was come on not go on. That's the way he approached it. Yeah, most passionate. He's the most passionate I have seen. Graham asks, was that butlers, the AFL player looking to sign for excessive $2 million per season? Could Nathan Cleary look to change clothes? No. No chance. No, look. Which is booting class. He could be another Nick Deicos, he's saying. Well, he look who knows. I mean, if anything, he's going to play rugby in. He could have played the rugby wall carpies to sign.

19:18Not to do that. Well, that's being whispered that the wall of his have fluttered with trying to get him over. But he's not even showing any interest in that. And I actually think Lee and AFL have far too different to apply. It's a very difficult crossover. Well, they've had two players across. Have they, and who haven't succeeded? No, and they were a lot of players in rugby Lee. And obviously none have come back this way. But yeah, I just, the games are too different. Dave Langey says, with the seller cap floor, where clubs are made to spend 90% of the cap, thereby overplaying some players, why are players not given no-sional cap-sari like when a player goes to Puppenigini? Well, they can't have R. Well, they can't have R. They looked at, they are. But also the clubs have to get the lower clubs who have to go to that level, have to pay over to get them. Like if, if I'm playing and parents say to me, he's $500,000.

20:21And St. George's lawyer, or the tie turns say to me, he's $500,000. I'm going to Pendereth. Because I'm a chance when the grand final. So Pendereth, it says that's a St. George's lawyer or the tie and I've got to say, well, mate, you've got $500 from Pendereth. We'll give you seven. And some players will look at that money, that difference, and say, okay, I'll go there. They get fed all the other propaganda as well. But that's what you've got to do. So they, so in effect, there is a, there is a, there is a loser's tax in the salary cap. And Dave, the other thing to remember is that's pretty much why Hudson Young was offered 1.1 from Canberra because Canberra recognized the fact that he's probably going to Puppa New Guinea. So they're putting a line in the sand for the R.O. and saying, this is his no-shtal value. I reckon he'll stay. Okay. Hudson Young, yeah, just. Yeah, just, I think you were once you get to look around the place, I reckon he'll stay. You might know his manager. I do know his manager.

21:21There you go. There's a tip. Okay, Dennis. Here we go again. They should have two comps. One to 10 playing one comp and then 10 to 20 playing. Other one have a top bank. Make it. You kill me. You kill me. You kill me. I normally put those in the end. Sorry, Dennis. We're not doing that. Dennis. Okay. Dennis, De Nudo. PD Brisbane. What do you think Adam Reynolds should rethink the title of his memoir on my own terms? F***. F***. Do you mean up like that? Did it PD Brisbane? Kerry Scullo-Keefe. Who do you think was more at fault in the Robbie Farrar versus Jason Taylor feud? Why was he sacked after three years of following year? Three rounds of following year? Oh, look at what I've done now. I don't know the ins and outs of all that. Robbie was a prayerwrested Tigers guy and he very much the club was built around.

22:23Yeah, it was built as he rose so did the club. If he go back to what happened in No 5 and Taylor came in and tried the Chinese things and tried the Chinese culture, he doesn't particularly have a great bedside manner as a coach. Taylor, which is what's costing him a couple of jobs in the past. To be fair, you probably thought a bit of wrong on both sides. Some personalities just don't work together. If that happens, the coach is generally pretty good at moving them on. The problem Taylor had was he was new to the club and Robbie was a club legend. When you have those power battles, it's very rarely you see anyone get out of it without a scar. Ken DeYot and the week I was watching the Ben Ike and special with Vony and he was talking about how Jason Taylor was one of the best trainers in the most meticulous play. He never thought that was really interesting what he was saying about Jason Taylor. Jason Taylor played, I think he played like a hundred and ninety odd games without missing

23:26one. Just as was his dedication to just getting his body raw and he did that playing at about 72 kilos. By far the lightest player in the competition. He's approached the game. You talk about one of the semifinals where he kicked really poorly. He talks about how he normally was driving around and he'd kick for goal and go down and this day the field that he normally kicked him was closed. He couldn't find anybody anywhere to practice his kicking because he didn't do that. He blames that for why he kicked poorly in that final because if you remember there's a final where the bear should have won out. Might have been the new castle game where he just kicked two out of five or something like that. I think so. I can't remember those. I remember him talking about it and just normally he gives himself an hour to practice kicking and he basically spent the hour driving around looking for an oval that was open.

24:28I couldn't find one. It's interesting because the North, North Sydney bears at that time. They were a super club. They're ninety three kind of, they're making the finals consistently. I think four times they got beaten the preliminary final in the 90s. They were great club at the bears. They were good times back then. Alright, BS. I'm watching this Monday night. This is from last week and the Panthers are $1.57 versus the Tigers $2.40. Those old strongly suggest the betting ages is already no pen-ruth now are resting key players. Well, if you look at the odds now, mate, the Tigers are paying about seven bucks so they're not. So look, so I guess the point about that is that the betting agencies don't know what's going on. It's by everywhere essentially. Yeah. Okay. Christ off. Canty, with your call to improve Aussie and our rail fans, perhaps the Tigers can employ or copy the Premier League hull FC.

25:30You've been mauled by the Tigers. You've seen that. That's a piss take, but yeah, very good Christ off. I don't think they're going to be doing that. I think even that's probably took a coordinated for Australian fans. Jack Jensen, what are your thoughts on a match? Would McGuire would be perfect for the Sharks? Fitsy being there a while now and hasn't really done anything in the finals. Oh, look, I think Fitsy's done a pretty good job. You've never followed every time every year. He's been there. Yeah, he's made the finals and look, I think I know we've all got a salary cap, which we all, every club is equal except one coming up. But out of all that, other clubs have advantages over other teams. This is the fact that they have big junior leagues. They have more corporate support or all kinds of different things. And Kronalo, I would say when you would rank the clubs in order of what's available to them, they are a definite middle of the table team if not bottom half of the competition.

26:34Yeah, they continually are making the finals and are going, look, they're not having done particularly well since Fitsy's been there. But I actually would argue that they're over at the tubing and they're punching above their weight a little bit with Fitsy there. I don't think McGuire is really going to fix anything that or any shortcomings of Craig Fitzgibbon as a coach. You know what I think is interesting about the Sharks. I've got a big juniors down the Sharks. I think any second biggest of Penrith, but they still bow in a lot of players. I find that quite interesting. Anyway, movie club, what are your thoughts on the Roosters, canty, with free state of ocean players to return and potentially more balanced harving pairing in Cherry Evans and Savala? The Roosters are far from finished. Yeah, they're far from finished. Look, right then off your peril. I think down your three teams can win the comp. The Roosters are one of them. I don't think the dolphins can get there. I don't think they're going to have the constitution defensively.

27:35But I'll tell you what, the Roosters are right in it. They've always got good players, they're well coached. They've got a really strong consistency through the squad. They've had a few lean weeks to be fair. But I think also they've had an eye on the semi-finalists. And Savala, you know, we're big fans of Savala. He's been on the show, big fan of the show. But you've got to remember Sam Walker was pretty much the standout in the state of origin this year. So he is a big loss, regardless if you want to pretend Savala is. Yeah, that's true. But look, Warriors have lost three halfbacks this year. Every team loses play. And there's good a Sam here. So Warriors have had their linchpin three times, three halfbacks have been at different stages have gone down. So you've got to just find a way around it. That is what the competition is about. There's no point sitting here and giving it around a six-week break so they could all get healthy again. Yeah. I reckon Savala is probably double-deez. Price tag for the last year has been phenomenal.

28:35Still is 7-7-1-2. Kenty, with Savede's suspension ruling amount of finals, why can't the Nights do what Penrith did a few years ago with May getting disturbed the suspension next season? Yeah, that was tough. I looked at that. That was just a... That was shit going by then. A road of illness. It shouldn't have been allowed to happen. I think the NRO without actually coming down, conceding it and admitting that they stuffed it up, I think there's a bit of a hay list and this can't happen again. Remember that put the thing here that we don't want to rob the fans of the opportunity to see the star so he could serve suspension next year. It was ridiculous. Well, it shouldn't have happened. And that's the sort of things that really hurt to make that sort of stuff. Just should not have happened. They should not have interfered. The rules are the rules. They are there for a reason. They are there to be fair for everyone. Kenty Nathan isn't big. Says, would turns resting players for the last round of the year opportunity for more money to be made and the AFL had two of the best games played during the wildcard?

29:37Do you think it's inevitable? The NRO will follow suit and introduce a wildcard game. I think they've looked at it. They'd love to do it. One thing that's holding them back is that the AFL is already doing it. The fact that there was two great games in the AFL, that's irrelevant because there's no guarantee they're going to be great games. OK, you might look. We might have a cracking game this afternoon. Doesn't mean that who is playing St. George and Daniel? Daniel. See, but I'll be an absolute ripper. But I don't want to play watch 15th against 4th every week either. You know, I mean, sometimes you do get a good game. There's no guarantee of that. Coming up with these wildcard rounds, it's just ridiculous. Shaki, 1845. With the footage coming out of Puppa New Guinea this weekend showing crowds destroying and throwing chairs in the stadium with fights breaking out after a local team lost, how can the NRO expect Australian fans to travel over there and support their teams when there's genuine safety concerns? It's a fair point.

30:38Yeah. Chamos was on the show. He said the games will be filmed during the day and he believed that no security issues would arise, but it is a fair point, Shaki. I find that, what I find also fascinating about this though is this whole Puppa New Guinea thing is we're all expecting the trees and rugby league to go over there and save a lot of the problems. Like the NRO, one of the reasons they give for Puppa New Guinea and the investment is kids don't, it's not compulsory to go to school over there. So we're going to go over there and we're going to say these kids, if you don't go to school, you can't play rugby league. If the government can't get them to do it, what hopes rugby league really got? Like it's a big leap of faith. I think rugby league is going to be able to implement social behaviors and social standards that the government can't enforce themselves and that goes to that as well. If the government can't control that and their law enforcement can't control that, how's rugby league going to control that?

31:38I've got to get Sammy Shemoon over there with their group security. There's the Fox. Actually, Craig, young one's told me a story. I think I'm going to tell this story before. He was, they played over there. There's been a year ago, they played over there for the kangaroos and word came out with about 10 minutes to go that all that stuff had been taken from the change rooms. So word was that they had to run off the field onto the bus. So they ran on with their kid. Anyway, time's a different now. Jamis will no doubt. Nicky says, Ken, when are you releasing your next book? I don't know. I've got some things brewing there. There you go. There's a scoop. 40, Ken, would you ever consider a role within our role rules committee? I'm, I'm already at risk of early onset dementia and I tell you like that, we're quick in the process. We're working in that room. I look like, look, maybe that will be better.

32:40You get back to the old house. Yeah, I just look at some, you know what? I, I, people say to me, what would you do? Now this might be reflective of my age, okay? But I look back at the way the, the game was played in the 90s. And for me, aesthetically, that's when Rugby Lee looked the best. We had, we didn't have these, not everyone was six foot one and could run 100 in even time, okay? Like they okay now. Now, back to a second role, can play this setter without any problem at all. There's very little difference between a lot of positions, half-axe running now, six foot, one, six foot two. But we could have introduced new rules and new rules and new rules and we never say, well, you know, well, that's just a rubbish rule. We'll get rid of that. I would, I would sit down and this is extreme. I'd say, you know what? To me, this is when the game looked better. Now, there might be disagree with that. But I would say this is the rule book from then.

33:40This is what we're going to play. It's the one with that. Now, let's, let's play the game when it looked better than what it does now. And with the current training and the modern athlete and all the rest of it, imagine where it could go. Okay. Last question. Joshua says, can't he, where did your love of footy start and who influenced you to have such a good knowledge and passion about the game? That's probably, that's, I can remember. That's probably when I was a kid with, with my father, to be honest, like I remember. So your footballer? I played in the Borscht and he played on the junior New South Wales school board team back in the day, back in the, when they had the, you know, five, sevens or whatever it was. You know, like back in those days before his age group. And obviously he just played a man called Play for that Western division team in 74, played against Great Britain, played in the final of the end, cut the one, the game. He got replaced by a little known Winger who came through, did something pretty good called Terry Faye. Terry Faye took his spot in the wing, but he played against Great Britain that year.

34:43So I was just brought up with all that around me and brought up hearing about, yeah, and back in those days, the dragon, St George's dragon, she used to go out and play games in the bush. So that'd be a strong impact. Oh, yeah, I was born in Orange. So there's a big impact ahead on Bush, the Bush people. And so I grew up hearing all the stories about the dragons and 11 in a row and Johnny Raper and Changelangalans and Gas near and all the rest of it. And yeah, I can remember playing when I was eight years old and dad taught me boots for me before a game and things like that. And as I got older, the storytelling, there's a thing in America where they talk about sport and the golf is a really good example of it. The Masters Committee, the US Masters in Georgia, they have whatever it is for Gas. They realize they have this belief that America sport does.

35:43A sport is only really as strong as it's narrative and its history. And so when Augusta started, they placed to one of that. And one of the things that they do really well is they really look after the storytellers, the people who are, which is, in many cases, the media. But you look at the history of baseball and the great stories that come out of that. And we've probably haven't done enough of that in rugby league. Yeah, good call. And so, you know, I remember when I was young, I used to jump into, I'd go to a Rotten's Battle or a Dalian knight. And, you know, I didn't know Changelangalans, but I got the knowing. But I'd sit there and just hang in the circle that they were talking in and hear all the stories. And I have a time, I got to know them all as well. So yeah, my dad sort of built this love of 40 in the end of me that I was able to live them when I'm standing next to the guys that I grew up hearing about. And, you know, Chuck Rayper, he was a great company, Lunatic on the drink, but just great fun. And nowhere's or grace is about him.

36:46He would sit and talk to anybody. Some many, a lot of players these days, if you're not playing the game that I don't want to talk to you. But those guys, they just, if you're a good bug, they never chat. And they'll be with you and off you go. And yeah, it was a pretty special time to be fair. Very good, Kenny. All right. That's it for us. Don't forget to leave your questions below during the week. And don't forget to go to fanatics.tv, our new website. You'll see some great things there. And don't forget to buy a hat. Until next week, we'll see you there. Bye-bye. Chances are you're about to lose for free and confidential support. Call the number on the screen or visit the website. This is the story of the one. As a shipping manager, he's running the dock, stocking supplies, and making sure every order goes out on time. And Granger helps him stay prepared. From shipping supplies to PPE to hand tools, he counts on you.

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