Mock Draft Extravaganza: Mike Vrabel Chooses VIOLENCE

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1:03Meet the new Greek and chicken heroes back with juicy season meats and cool crisp veggies, all wrapped in warm soft pizza, or a cray-worthy bite. Feelin' classic? Go Greek! Wanna mix it up? Try the chicken hero. Either way, your lunch just leveled up. Order online at jimmyjohns.com or on the app today. Oh, that's good. And participating locations for a limited time while supplies last trademark and copyright 2026. Jimmy Johns Franchise or SPV LLC. What's up everybody? Welcome into the next patch podcast. I'm Phil Perry, just a delightful episode to bring to you this week. We have our great friend Trevor Sikama from Pro Football Focus. One of the best in the business just is able to dive so deeply on all of these prospects. And specifically on the position that we are going to ask him about in this episode, and that is wide receiver. What if the Patriots don't end up trading for AJ Brown,

2:03who feels like we talk about every day for about six hours a day, and we will continue to talk about him every day for about six hours a day for the next six months. What if they don't actually end up getting that guy? What if they still want to add to that receiver room after already having added Romeo Dobbs? Who are the best of the best? Which guys fit best within this Patriots offense? Who might be the Mike Vrable types quote unquote to play that position who could be available to New England? Great conversation with Trevor. It's one of those conversations that we have banked from the combine. So it's a few weeks old, but still very much applicable in terms of the intel that we're getting from Trevor as we look ahead to draft weekend. So we'll play that conversation at the end of this episode. But before that, we have so much to get to. I was away for about a week. Thought we were on death store there for a second, but we're back. And we have trades to talk about. We have free agency to talk about. We have a mock draft that is live right now on NBC sports Boston.com that I want to get to. And we have some phenomenal mailbag questions that we have to answer, including one from a guy named David Andrews.

3:09Seems like a pretty smart football guy, but heard from him on Twitter. He's asking about tight ends. So maybe we'll get to that a little bit later in the podcast. I'm sure we will get to that later in the podcast as well. So let's start the podcast today with a little bit of news. And we are fresh off of hearing about this trade that has sent Jalen Waddle to Denver in exchange for a first round pick, a third round pick and in exchange, excuse me, and exchange of fourth rounders. So if you want to look at it as simply as possible, let's call it essentially a first and a third for Jalen Waddle. Pretty good haul for a guy who's not really a true number one. Yes, we've seen him have 1000 yard receipts 1000 yard receiving seasons had a 1300 yard season a few years ago with to a tongue of my lower, but he's really kind of a 1B if you ask people in the NFL. Silla, I think a good addition for Denver. He's one of these guys. He can catch it short and take it to the house. And so for somebody like Bonix, it's not necessarily,

4:13you know, pushing it down the field as often as somebody like Drake May might or somebody who can operate in those scramble drill situations that that Bonix is going to find himself in a lot of, you know, NFL people that I've been talking to over the course of last 24 hours or so, they say this is a really snug fit for Denver and they understand why the Broncos were willing to give up what they gave up in order to get him. Now the reason Patriots fans care about this trade is because it might have impacted the haul that Philly will now expect in exchange for AJ Brown. And I'll just tell you what I've heard from folks across the league is that yes, how we Roseman will probably want about what Denver gave up to get Jalen Waddle in order for Philly to be willing to trade AJ Brown. We know how we roseman he has a reputation of really squeezing as much as he can out of all of these trade partners that he's

5:16been able to work with over the course of the last however many years. He does have a reputation as being a guy who wants to quote unquote win the trade. And so if they do deal AJ Brown and I still think that is an if though I believe it will happen. But if they trade AJ Brown, would it be for less than what Miami got for Jalen Waddle. AJ Brown is a better player. He's a more productive player, almost no matter how you look at it, whether you want to look at the last three years, you want to look at the last five years. He is a true one league people still consider him a true one, even if he wasn't quite the same guy last year as he had been in years past is that health related is that interest related in terms of just how motivated is he to play with this particular quarterback and how motivated was he to play in that particular offense in 2025 and Philly still

6:17had a thousand yard season was still a handful. He's still not yet 30 years old. Now he is 17 months older than Jalen Waddle. So if you want to factor that into the trade comp equation, I guess you could look at it and say, well, Waddle is actually worth a little bit more. That's not how I'm seeing it. And that's not what I've heard from league people. So are you willing, if you're New England, to part with a first and a third for AJ Brown, because that might be what how he roseman wants. Now, there's a lot of other factors that could come into play here, right? AJ Brown, it seems wants out of Philly. He's been reportedly very open in terms of his communication with the Eagles, where he would like to go. New England is on that list or a handful of other teams on that list. It feels like the handful of other teams that are on that list aren't maybe necessarily as involved anymore in terms of going after AJ Brown. And so where is Philly's leverage truly here? If the

7:22player wants to be gone and there aren't all that many teams after him, are they going to be able to ask for the Jalen Waddle package? That's something that I think does factor in in a positive way for New England. There was no scuttle but about Jalen Waddle wanting out of Miami. He wasn't trying to fire his way out of town. He wasn't talking about Jeff Halfley who's the new head coach there or nothing that I saw indicating that he wasn't willing to work with. Malik Willis who's looking like the quarterback to Jor down there in Miami. So, probably a little bit of leverage there in Miami that maybe Philly doesn't really have. You know, Philly also has this thing hanging over its head in terms of the cap dollars and so they might want to wait until June and you never know by the time we get to June 2nd, there might be other teams involved and now suddenly maybe Philly does have more leverage and maybe

8:24they can ask for more in a trade. Maybe there are teams that didn't get the receiver help they thought they were going to get in the draft or maybe in the spring there's an injury that changes the equation and so, you know, you just never truly know what the right ask would be in order for a deal to be consummated whether it's between Philly and New England or Philly and somebody else. But that's just what I've heard from executives in the league when it comes to this water trade. Their initial reaction was how he's probably going to want something right around that kind of hall, first and a third. And so, if that's the case, are you willing to do it? I'll just tell you right now, I don't think I would be. First round pick and a third round pick, that's a lot. Even if it's next year, dare I say especially if it's next year. Next year's draft and this is always a dangerous game because so much can happen in a year's time, both good and bad

9:26for prospects, you think are going to be the next great thing or, you know, maybe you get a situation like a Jaden Daniel situation where nobody was thinking he was going to be a first round pick, a year prior to when he was drafted and he ends up being at the top of the draft kind of player 365 days later. So, let's just be careful when we talk about the 2027 draft, that's the draft that everybody's going to want those picks. Are they, I don't know, maybe they do right now, maybe that is true right now and I've heard the same things, you know, really next year's class is looking like it'll probably be stronger, but who knows what next year is actually going to look like. So, are you willing to trade, say it's after June 1st, June 2nd, you're going to trade away your first round pick next year, which is probably going to be higher, like I don't all go on the limb and say, I don't think the Patriots are going to be picking 30 second a year from now in the 2027 first round. So, you're probably going to be picking a little bit higher in the draft and maybe it is a stronger draft, like do you want to give up that first round pick for, you know,

10:30a receiver who's 29 years old, he has dealt with some injury, I do think he's a true number one and I think he'd make you better right now today and for the next couple of years, no question. But is that worth it? You know, can you get a real cornerstone type of piece in the first round? Can you continue this little run as a good drafting team with the 2025 draft class looks like it was a good class? Can you keep that going? Not only this year, but next year with the group that you have and are you really comfortable with parting with, you know, five years of cost-controlled starting caliber at least, level player at maybe a premium position for a guy who, you know, might have a couple years left as a true number one. That to me is the question and I'm not sure I would do it. I think I would be holding out and seeing if I can get him for a little bit less. That's all. Would I be willing to trade a second in 2027 and a second in 2028

11:32on June 2nd of this year to get AJ Brown? Sure. Yeah, I think that that'd probably be something that I'd be interested in, but that first round, first and a third, it feels like a lot to me. I think I might be calling Philly's bluff and saying to them, sure. Yeah, you're telling us that you can go in the next season with AJ Brown. You think that's a functional situation there. You got a new offensive coordinator. You have a young quarterback that you're invested in. It doesn't seem like that relationship's great. It seems like AJ Brown really wants to go, okay, great. Good luck with him. You know, we've got Romeo Dobbs. Whoever we took in the draft, we've got, you know, Keishan Booty, who we like, we think Kyle Williams is going to grow into a better player. You know, Mac Holland is very useful for us. We're going to use a lot of two tight end sets anyway, a lot of two back sets anyway. So we're probably going to have two receivers on the field. So, AJ, if you want to keep him, go ahead. You guys keep him and good luck with that because we love him. We hope he has all the success in the world with you guys there in Philly, unless you happen to be playing us. Otherwise, we just, we can't do that. And I think that's

12:35something that I would be willing to do because you have to keep these high end draft picks and you have to, you have to make them work. You're about to be paying your quarterback somewhere in the 65 million dollar per year range. The finances are what they are. Like, the cap is really funny money. I understand that. The league understands that. So you can manipulate that thing however you want. But all these teams are dealing with budgets. And the budget gets a little tighter when you start paying Christian Gonzalez, maybe 30 million dollars a year and Drake may 65 million dollars a year or more. And so if you want to be the team that is just sort of willing, Lily, with these first round picks and you want to be the Rams, that's fine. Make it work. Go in a Super Bowl. Everybody will be happy. But to me, and maybe hand up, I'll recognize my own bias here. Maybe I'm a little too into the draft. Is that possible? Sure it is. Maybe I overvalue these

13:38first round picks, but these first round picks would be things that I would be holding very tightly to my chest if I was Mike variable. And I would be very unwilling to part with first round picks unless I'm getting a guy who's in his prime, who's playing a premium position. And I think AJ Brown, the conversation is at least a conversation there because he's sort of on the edge of his prime. And you know, I don't know how many great years he has left. Those are all things that they're going to have to factor into these conversations. But I just find the Jalen Waddle connection to this AJ Brown deal. Very, very interesting. Okay. Let's talk mock draft. NBC Sports Boston dot com right now. You have a first round mock. All 32 picks right there for you. Had a lot of fun putting this thing together. We've already done a couple of mocks if you've been following closely. And if you have been, we appreciate you. We love you. You know that in my first mock of the year, soon after the Super Bowl, I gave the Patriots KC conception. The receiver

14:40out of Texas and a little bit undersized, but all kinds of speed, all kinds of yards after the catch ability, some questionable hands. But I think that's something that can get cleaned up. Really dynamic player. They don't go with KC conception in this round. I do want to mention too. We had a seven round Patriot specific mock. That's for the real sickos out there. Who did the Patriots take the seventh round? Well, you're going to have to go back and you're going to have to check that one. But I'll tell you the first round. So this is technically our second mock. I gave them Blake Miller, the tackle out of Clemson. So now where did we go with our third mock situation here for New England? This was an interesting one because I wanted to go through this. Not necessarily assuming that they get AJ Brown, but let's let's leave open the possibility that they feel as though they can execute a trade for AJ Brown after June 1st. Okay. So they're not going to reach for receiver in the first round. That means no KC conception. It means no Denzel Boston. If he's around,

15:41it means no name your late first round early second round receiver type. There's there's a handful of them in this year's class. But they do not go offense period because the tackle sort of flew off the board. So I will tell you in the first round, let's roll through the picks really quickly here for Nando Mendoza goes first to the Raiders. Ruben Bain, the edge defender from Miami, goes second to the Jets. Arvel Reese third to the Cardinals and then Jeremiah Love fourth to the Titans. Then you start to see the offensive lineman go off and they're going to go off in chunks here. And so by the time you get to the Patriots of 31 overall, I have been somebody who's thought, well, yeah, you know, you're Blake Miller from Clemson right tackle. 54 starts. Tough as hell, great character fit from everything that I've heard for what the Patriots want here. Maybe your your max, the Hanachur from Arizona state is there at 31 overall, who knows maybe even

16:43like a Caden Proctor from Alabama, a massive just planet type of player is available to them at 31. Maybe it's Caleb Lomo who's a little bit raw. Maybe needs to get a little bit stronger, but looks like a true left tackle. He might be there for the Patriots of 31. These are all people that we've seen mocked to the Patriots of 31 overall. The tackles go and they go fast in this version of my mock. So Francis Maui Noah, he goes to the Giants. He's going to play guard maybe for them to start. And then if you asked to kick out to tackle, you can kick out to tackle, but he might be the best offensive lineman in this year's class. He goes to the Giants at five then Monroe Freeling. Little raw, but incredible mover. It looks like one of the true left tackles in this class. He goes to the Browns at six Spencer Fano, a right tackle with great feet out of Utah. He goes to the chiefs at nine. So now suddenly the tackles are flying off the board. You know, Vega Ione, he goes to the Ravens at 14. He's not a tackle, but that's another offensive lineman off the board.

17:45Blake Miller goes all the way up at number 17 to the Lions who are offensive lineman starved at this point, which is crazy to me. They were like the best offensive lineman football. It felt like two or three years ago, but they're going to kick Penaisuil to the left side. Blake Miller's going to play on the right side. That's another tackle gone. We keep scrolling down here. Kaden Proctor goes to the Niners at 27 Caleb Lomu. Nick Assyrio grabs him. He says, boy, I got a future left tackle here at the end of the first round. Let me get him. He goes to the Texans at number 28. John sewer and drain cleaning takes clogged drains seriously. Their large team of technicians is trained to solve any clogger issue in Boston's complex draining systems. With over 40 years of success serving in and around Boston, John sewer is your local clogged drain expert with over 40 technicians on the road. They're equipped to respond to your emergency. Visit johnsour.com to learn more. United Health Group is bringing in-home treatment directly to patients, closing care gaps,

18:47identifying risks earlier and improving patient outcomes. In 2025, patients received over 19 million home visits. Learn more at UnitedHealthgroup.com slash commitment. And then we get to the Patriots at 31 and the options at tackle, which I think is important for them to address and address early based on where Morgan Moses is and his career is 35 years old. They don't have to me an obvious swing tackle. Maybe they feel as though they can bring a fair month for back and he can be that guy. Maybe they feel it's Marcus Bryant. Marcus Bryant drafted in the seventh round last year. He's a healthy scratch at the end of last season in certain games. And so I wonder if really he fits that mold that they would be looking for as sort of the right tackle of the future. So I do think this is an important position for them to address. And they could have done it. Ihanatur ended up ended up being available in this scenario in this mock draft at 31. And so wouldn't stun me if they ended up going in that direction

19:52because those guys are just plain and simple hard to find. I really like Ihanatur. I like his demeanor. I know some people think he's a little bit raw. I don't think he's really even all that raw, but started playing football late. So I'm sure there is ceiling there and there's room for him to grow, but soccer player basketball player, you know, families from Nigeria, it comes to the states and start playing football until he gets to junior college and ends up working his way into being not only a starter at Arizona State and a really good player, but then he goes to the senior ball and has a heck of a senior ball against some of the best players in the country. So to me, I think he's a first round talent. He was available to the Patriots at 31 overall. They bypass that option. Okay. So they say we're going to look elsewhere. We're not going to go on the offensive side of the ball at all because we still need help on the edge. They have Harold Landry obviously dealt with a bunch of issues in terms of his physical health last year. And he wasn't able to really maintain afterward. I thought was a pretty good start here. He was a captain

20:56here. He's got some guaranteed money left on his contract. So he's going to be here, but he need help. So yeah, they got Dremont Jones and free agency. And I really like that signing. To me, that that's also an indication of them realizing they needed a little more power on the edge. This is a guy who's going to set that edge on first and second down. You can kick him inside. You can rush him from the interior. You can rush him off the edge. You want to pair him, you know, next to Milton Williams and have a couple power players, you know, going at whoever's across from them on the offensive line. Have at it. I like that signing Dremont Jones, not necessarily like a superstar edge rusher, but somebody who's a starting caliber edge rusher, in my opinion, and it has some versatility in there too, but you need help after those guys, you know, Elijah Ponder, I thought for an undrafted rookie, young player, there's some real promise there. But do you want to rely on him as like your third guy, Amphorne Jennings, no longer with the club. Somebody who I thought had a lot of value for the Patriots, especially on early downs. But not with the team. So the Patriots end up going with an edge defender here. It's Zion Young from

22:00Missouri. It checks a lot of boxes for what Mike variable wants on the edge. And he described that for us at this year's combine. He said, there's got to be violence. There's got to be the ability to move off the ball and create some sort of disruption. You have to be able to factor in on the quarterback. You have to be able to make plays on the football. Now Zion Young, he actually, we are recording this on his 22nd birthday, March 18th. So he's just turning 22 years old, talk about sealing there. I think there is plenty of room for growth because he's not the most polished, polished, excuse me, pass rusher in this year's draft class. And this draft class is loaded with capable pass rushers and capable edge defenders. And I think if you're the Patriots, you want to take advantage of that. If you feel like you can get a starter at 31, one of the most important positions in the sport, go ahead and do that. Not a bad idea whatsoever. So there's plenty of room for growth when it comes to Zion Young, but he six foot six, 262 pounds had a tremendous senior bowl himself. So you love to see that against top end competition, but you get plenty of reps of him going up against guys in the SEC

23:05and going up against a Caden Proctor, for instance, and handling himself in the run game, just extending out with one arm and just holding Proctor at bay, Proctor's like 350 pounds. And he's able to get off the block and make a tackle. And I think if you're Mike Vrable, you see the violence that he plays with in both phases of his job, both against the run where if you're going to try to block him with a tight end, bad idea, not going to work. You want to try to double him with a tight end and attack all. There's plenty of reps on his tape where he's able to be both and make a play right around the line of scrimmage if not behind it. So run game physical, relentless, tenacious. You can see it. There is a visual brand when you're watching his tape. You can see it in your mind's eye. You can see it translating to being the kind of style of play that Mike Vrable wants to see in his defense. I think I think you'd have to love that if you're New England and the run game in the past game. Does he have the juice off the line of

24:05scrimmage as a question that I have? Like, would they be willing to spend their first round pick on a guy who is not the most explosive type of player off the edge? Again, 66260. So you've got to be okay with some of that. Like he's just not going to move in the same way that a armace and Thomas from Oklahoma, who's, you know, almost 30 pounds lighter is going to move with. But armace and Thomas isn't going to be able to do, in my opinion, some of the same things that Zion Young's going to be able to do in terms of playing with power. So, you know, there are no perfect prospects. You've got to be able to have a little bit of a give and take there. Zion Young to me though, as a pass rusher, even if he doesn't have the quickest first step, he is still quick enough. And he plays with a demeanor again. The attitude that he plays with shows up and you see it. And you see it in his pursuit of the quarterback. You see it in his willingness and want to to

25:09bull rush offensive tackles and just try to bully anybody that is lined up across from him. And so six and a half sacks last year for Missouri. That number is not necessarily going to jump off the page. But 52 pressures for Missouri last season according profile focus. That's a nice healthy number. 33 inch arms. Again, he's a young player. Somebody with room to grow. I think when you're talking about premium positions, you're talking about Patriots needs. You need to have a rotation there. It's not enough to have what basically they had for a chunk of last year, which was Harold Landry on one side. Kale on chase on on the other. And they mix in and for any Jennings when they feel like it. Like that to me is not enough. Now Jennings played more late in the season. Ponder played more a little bit later in the season in certain games. And so you know, they ended up figuring out a rotation there. But you've got to have you've got to have more go to guys to turn to at that position because you can't just rely on Harold Landry, especially the way you probably thought you were going to rely on him going into last season.

26:10It's just the nature of the BC. He is where he is in terms of his career in terms of the injuries that he's dealt with. So you need another starting caliber player there, whether or not he actually starts for you. I don't know, but a starting caliber guy there for you. And I think that Zion young. I think Zion young can be a starter just based on what he gives you in the run game immediately. And then he's going to grow and he's going to develop and he's going to learn. He's going to learn a few different counters and he's going to become a more productive pass rusher for you. I just think that the play style and the demeanor and the need and the premium position they all match up and they tell me Zion young. For this edition of our mock draft. Now there are a couple things on his record that the Patriots going to have to be comfortable with. I don't think these are game breakers or game changers. In terms of like whether or not you'd feel like he's he's draftable in the first round. But he did have a DWI in December. So Patriots going to have to sort through that and the decision making there. That's a big part of Mike variables program is make good decisions. That's a bad decision. Obviously that he made in December. That's not all that

27:11long ago. So they're going to have to sort through that back in 2023. He's played for Michigan State. So he's transferred from Michigan State to Missouri. But back in 2023. If you remember this if you're college football fan. Big brawl basically in the tunnel at the big house after a game between Michigan State and Michigan. He was actually charged. Zion young was charged and pleaded guilty to misdemeanor aggravated assault for his role in that post game tunnel incident. So again that's several years ago. That's like again not a great decision. I don't remember you know Mike variable in his playing days getting into fights in the tunnel with the opposing team. So I'm sure that's that's something that he would he would have met some questions about perhaps even if he didn't hate it. I don't know who knows. Maybe he likes the competitive side of what happened there. But that's sort of that's that's over the line that's losing control. That's making a decision that takes you off the field. If it happens obviously as a pro and it did for him as a collegiate player. So just a couple things there that they might have to sort through. But Zion

28:12young to me feels like a fit feels like the kind of guy that the Patriots would like. You know, and I know there are people in the league who feel the same way that he feels like a Patriots type of player. So that's where they go with this pick in our most recent mock draft. All right. Let's get some male bad questions. Now we're going to go rapid fire through as many of these as we can before we get to our conversation with Trevor Sikima. Don't forget about that great stuff there on some receivers in this year's draft. First question is from our good friend and co-host of the quick snap podcast. David Andrews. He says, Hey, Phil longtime reader first time tweeter. What are the Patriots plans at tight end? Now David Andrews obviously knows very well. Hunter Henry who is still under contract was very dependable for them last year. But I think this is a good question. This is a spot where they could use more of my opinion. They lost Austin Hooper via free agency Julian Hill has been brought on. Now I really like the addition of Julian Hill as a second tight end. Maybe even a third tight end depending on what the Patriots are able to do in the draft.

29:15But in terms of attitude and physicality Julian Hill is going to be used as a run blocking tight end. Now they could throw him the football as well and you have to have that threat to make you worthy of being on the field. But when he was in Miami with Mike McDaniel, that's how they used him. And we remember from that offense with McDaniel in particular, a lot of movement, a lot of shifting, a lot of motion. Tight ends were a big part of this and how they moved across the line and how they worked their way up to the second level, you know, through the line of scrimmage like Julian Hill is going to be able to do a lot of different things for them because he is athletic enough to be used on the move in that way. And he is tough enough to finish and be a real factor in the run game. This is one of the best things I think about what the Patriots did this off season in free agency was they helped their young quarterback. Now how do they do it? Yes, of course they added Romeo Dobbs who I think is a is a nice addition. Is he a true number one? No, I don't think he's a true number one. But I think, you know, in terms of what you lost in Stefan Diggs and where Diggs's game

30:17might go, you know, in 2026 and beyond and how Dobbs might be more of an ascending player and, you know, now he's in a receiver room that's a little bit differently constructed than the receiver room that he's coming from in Green Bay where they had a lot of young mouths to feed there. You know, I'm not sure. Dobbs will be a thousand yard receiver this year, but I think he's a good player and I think he's getting better and I think he'll work really, really well in this Josh McDaniel's offense because he's tough and he's willing to block. He's willing to go over the middle and he's really good route runner. So yes, they've helped Drake May in that regard in terms of the pass catching thing. But they've improved their run game with Reggie Gilliam at fullback. That's a real fullback. Nothing against Jack Westover who I thought, you know, did improve over the course of the year and really wasn't his position and he's more of a reserve tight end and suddenly he's in the backfield and he's trying to lead block against, you know, linebackers and like you've got to have a certain sort of mentality even just to be willing to play that position. So I give Westover credit, but Gilliam is a true fullback and that is going to lead to results in the running game. You've got

31:22to lodge a very Tucker to play guard for you. I think you're going to see an improvement in the run game because of, okay, not only that addition where very Tucker we think is going to be playing left guard between Will Campbell and Jared Wilson, but I think Jared Wilson in for Gary Bradbury, I think should give you should yield results in the run game as well. And so Julian Hill fits into this equation where how can you help your young quarterback? Yes, you can add to the offensive line as they did. Yes, you can give him pass catchers as they did, but you can also just get better in terms of what you do on first and second down and running the football and being able to sell play action, maybe a little bit more and just taking the ball out of his hands on a more frequent basis. There were too many times over the course of the 2025 season where the run game really wasn't as reliable as they wanted it to be. Now it got better as the year went on. And I thought Remoudrey Stevenson was maybe their best offensive player in the last month or so of the season, especially, you know, the regular season, it felt like they were running it at will. But to be able to do that over the breadth of a full season, they needed to upgrade in certain ways. And I

32:28think they did. So don't forget about Julian Hill, David Adrys. But let's let's talk a little bit about the draft because I think the draft would be the next place that you'd be adding at that spot. And if you could get a room of three quality tight ends that you depend on in certain situations and anybody you take in the draft, obviously is going to have to learn and feel that things out. That's a difficult position where you've got to be, you know, as involved in the run game as you are in the past game and, you know, talking to tight ends of the past and maybe they're biased. Okay, maybe they are. But outside a quarterback, you know, like who else has a more complicated job just in terms of the wide variety of things they're asked to do, then these tight ends. Few things are as uplifting as the greatest moments in sports. And nothing brings us together quite like Team USA at the Olympic Winter Games from NBC Universal's iconic storytelling to the innovative technology across Xfinity and Peacock. Comcast brings the Olympic Games home to America

33:29sharing every moment with millions. When Team USA steps onto the world stage, we're not just watching. We're cheering together. This winter, we're all on the same team. Comcast, proud partner of Team USA. For a limited time, get one of these Jimmy John sandwiches, Jimmy chips and a drink for only $8.99. Choose the fan favorite turkey Tom with all natural turkey or the Pepe with smoked ham and provolone. The $8.99 meal deal at Jimmy John's. Oh, that's good. Limited time at participating locations valid on turkey Tom and the Pepe eight inch only includes chips and regular fountain beds, up charges apply on bottled beves, premium sides and desserts, not valid with other offers, tax add-ons extra. So in the draft, okay, this is this is thought to be I'll first tell you thought to be a deep tight end draft class. Okay, are there going to be loads of stars that come out of this thing at this position? No, I don't think so. It's not like last year with Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland at the top and like, that's not the case this year. It's probably going to be

34:30one in the first round. Kenyans to eat, lit up the combine, probably not going to be an option for the Patriots a little bit more of an undersized guy. Put them on the move. Not saying he wouldn't fit into England. Just thinking he's probably going to be gone before 31. I'm not sure the Patriots going to want to use that 31st overall pick on a tight end. Could be wrong. Could be wrong. Could be a lot of fun in Josh but Daniels offense and we've seen him. Obviously two tight end packages and using those extensively in the past. And so maybe they like that idea of Sadiq and Henry together. I just I'm not sure he's going to get all the way to number 31. We hadn't go into the Panthers in the middle of the first round in our most recent mock. Michael Trigg is a name that was actually asked about on 95 the sports sub recently. Caller called in. So what do you think about this guy? Michael Trigg out of Baylor. Really talented pass catcher ability to get open ability to pluck the football. Not a blocker. Just not a blocker. I don't think he wants to do it. I'm not sure he has the ability to do it. I'm not sure that's going to be a fit for what Mike variable in particular

35:30Josh McDaniels want at that position. Max Claire. Let's keep an eye on this one because he's out of the Ohio State University. So maybe Mike variable has some connections there that that give him good insight. Improving as a blocker. And I do think this matters. Right. Unless you're going to be like a superstar pass catcher. You've got to give them something in the run game. So he's gotten better there. You know a great line from our buddy land zero line on NFL calm does all the right ups for the prospects. Make sure you're checking out those prospects. If you're into the draft and all the right ups that he does. He does tremendous tremendous job. He actually compares them to Brenton Strange who's a good athlete and this guy's a good athlete too. Claire is. But he uses the word functional for Claire as sort of what he could be in terms of the high end as a blocker. And so you know 64246 is that what they're looking for guy who I like and I gave this player to the Patriots and my seven round Patriots specific mock draft is Sam Roush 66267 that's a big boy

36:33and that's more of a traditional why Ted and you can put him on the line. You can ask him to maybe move some people in the run game with that kind of frame. But also a really really good athlete 4740 38 and a half inch vertical 10 six broad right around a seven flat second three cone drill. So like he has some real athleticism at a position where athleticism matters. He has real size at a position that it feels like it's just gotten smaller as the years have gone on here. A lot of guys that are you know in that 240 to 45 range guys 267. So like you're talking about it's just a different type of human being. And so if I'm putting myself in Mike Raeble shoes and Ellie Wolfe's shoes. I want that option. I want people to have to respect the fact that I might move you in the run game. And I like everything that that falls off of that if you're starting from there. Obviously you pair it with the athleticism. You pair it with hands that are good enough to be a threat in the passing game. And you know I think you have somebody who can really impact your offense. Now

37:35the player who is widely considered the second best Titan in this year's class. And again because of the way he plays. I'm not sure of the fit here in New England. But let's mention him for you David Andrews for you out of Vanderbilt Eli Stowers 64 239 really smart guy. He's the the Campbell award winner, which is the academic Heisman. So like he's going to be able to pick up whatever you're putting down when it comes to your offense. And he is a receiver. Okay. So he is your classic more receiver than actual tight end. And is he going to get in the way as a blocker? I think he would. But he's probably not going to be a real factor there. But excellent athlete 45140 with a 159 10 yard split 45 and a half inch vertical 11 foot three inch broad. He is he has receiver athleticism. He is he is more explosive than a lot of receivers in this year's draft class. So he's probably not a first round player. But that's a pretty rare skill set at you know 240

38:44pounds or thereabouts. So that's somebody that's going to be on a lot of teams radars as well. When it comes to that, you know, willingness to play somebody at that position that's looking more like a receiver than than actually a Titan. Okay. Last name I'm going to mention for you. And we'll go quicker through these next few questions. I just want to give David Andrews just just a little sampling of what he can expect in this year's draft at that position. This guy's out of Texas A&M. His name's Nate Berkacher. Nate Berkacher, 65 and a half, 245 pounds, 10 and a half inch hands. So he's not Sam Roush. He's not 267. He's 245. But I like him for the Patriots because of the play demeanor. Again, that visual brand that we're talking about when you're talking about finishing plays and playing longer than the guy with the ball and finishing your blocks, especially and having the willingness to stick your nose in

39:46there and do the dirty work for your teammates. That's Berkacher. So like he hasn't lit it up when it comes to his stats. And I will find his numbers here. Okay. In 2025, 19 catches for 198 yards and three touchdowns. And he's a five year player. And I could do this math in my head because I am that brilliant. 25, 36, 38 catches total over the course of his career, five years. And career high 19 this past year. But I think when it comes to what he brings to the table in terms of being a capable enough receiver, the tape as a receiver isn't bad. And he gets, you know, high marks for what he's able to do against man coverage, depending on what you're reading. But the ability to get into people's chests, the ability to get to the second level as a run blocker,

40:48again, that willingness and want to to finish. That's the kind of thing that for me, if you're not looking at tight end in the first or second round. And again, maybe they are. But if you don't want a Kenyansadik or you're not going to have the chance at an Eli Stowers, you know, what do you want? And I think if you're starting to talk about late day two, you know, maybe a day three tight end that you can really envision as somebody who's going to be a usable player in your offense. He's not just going to be a body, right? And he's not just going to be a special teamer and a villain, although you're going to need him to do that too as a third tight end if that's what he ends up being. You know, somebody like Nate Berkischer, if it's fourth round, they're about like that's the kind of addition that I would really like if I'm a Patriots fan because I can see his skill set fitting into what the Patriots do. And he's not the biggest guy in the world. He's not Rob

41:49Gronkowski in terms of his frame. But okay, now all of a sudden, if Julian Hill goes down, now we could use this guy in a similar role. And we can maybe even use him more as a receiver than he was used in college. Maybe there's some untapped potential there. And maybe we're getting really good value. And again, in a day three pick and we're getting somebody who with Josh McDaniels is going to be playing a lot of two tight end sets. Maybe even be willing to use him as a fullback if you had to. You know, that's the kind of player that I can see in my mind's eye playing in New England. All right, let's get to Brady Penn. Awesome getting to meet Brady during Super Bowl week. It does a great job. If you follow him on Twitter, has some great Drake May numbers over the course of the year. He's at Brady Penn 21 on Twitter. Yes, whether the Patriots acquire AJ Brown or not, what do you think is the likelihood of adding another receiver specifically one better than Dobbs? I think the likelihood of adding AJ Brown, who would be better than Dobbs, is significant. I think that's real. The interest is real. I'm just wondering what the price point

42:53is going to be. And if the Patriots are actually going to be able to or want to pull the trigger on that one. So I think there's a, I think there's a real chance that they end up with a receiver who's better than Dobbs. And now you're talking about AJ Brown, Dobbs, Matt Collins. You know, I'm really interested to see how they use Hollins because that slot position, it ain't what it used to be guys. Like you've got to be able to block. You've got to be able to be a factor when you're, you've got like a tight split, tight to your formation, condensed splits, like that traditional slot role that, that Wes Welker, that what we thought pop Douglas was going to be last year, both Tommy Garan and I thought pop Douglas watching him and camp, especially the passing camp, portion of camp. He's lighting it up. He's looking like go to guy. Boy, they can't cover him. Well, like it turns out it's as we saw this past season, it's sometimes hard to find ways to use guys like that because they are limited in terms of their size and what they can do in the run game. So Douglas still ended up having productive games and productive moments for sure, but he wasn't

43:56really an every down type of player. And to me, that's the reason why. Now, who do we see playing inside and playing a lot? And he ended up, you know, leading for the majority of the season, the receiver room and snaps his Mac haunts. So like, is he or he, we don't think of him as a slot receiver, but is he going to be that guy that they use on the interior? So like that to me is like a big, strong physical group that I really like. And if that's the, if that's the, the motif you're going for, that's what, if that's your philosophy now moving forward, Drake may a quarterback is, let's run the hell out of the ball. Let's protect this kid. And then let's what, you know, we're going to get into third and long situations and we'll let him do his thing there. But boy, how dangerous is he going to be if it's second and one or if it's, you know, third and one, all the time, because we're able to run the ball behind Gilliam and with multiple tight ends and with a big offensive line with Michael whenu and, you know, Will Campbell and Jared Wilson and Elijah very Tucker and, you know, who knows what they end up getting in terms of that right tackle position for the future. There's a couple behemoth, you know, right tackle types of players

45:00in this year's draft or they add one of those and now they're just leaning on people and they're, they're saying, listen, you want those athletic linemen? Those guys are going to play somewhere else. They're not going to play for us because we're not doing the wide zone thing and we got a quarterback who can boot, but we're just not going to do it. We're just going to lean on people. And so we're going to go get a six foot nine tackle out of Miami, who weighs about three hundred and eighty pounds. And he's going to be our fill in for Morgan Moses eventually here and you're not going to be able to get through this, this wall of physicality that we have at the line of scrimmage. So like, I like AJ Brown and a group like that. It's just sort of just like adds to the, you know, imposing nature of, you know, boy, watch this team get off the bus and just your knees start to shake if you're part of the opposition. But if it's the draft Brady where they go, I'm not sure they're getting a receiver who's better than Romeo dobs. And the reason I say that is because I'm not sure they're investing in the first round. Maybe they are. Maybe they are. But I look at the premium positions tackle and edge. Those are needs. Those are spots that are actually relatively deep in this draft. And so

46:01I don't know if you bypass that if you're Mike variable, if you're really at wolf to add a pass catcher. Right, especially if you're still trying to get AJ Brown, maybe sometime in June. So do they end up with somebody who's better? I think so, but I think it's AJ Brown. I don't think it's anybody that they'd be getting in the second, third round. There are some really good players in there. Whether it's Skylar Bell from Yukon, there's a number of different guys that you could be talking about that the Patriot Chris Brasile. If you're a Chris Brasile guy, lots of speed, great length, it wonky offense, and Tennessee. And so that one scares me a little bit. But there are some players that they could add who'd be useful for them. I just don't know if they'd be better than dobs to answer your question. Danny Healy, oh my god, the quick snap podcast is all over us here. On next patch here, but he says, if I was hypothetically producing a podcast, Danny, obviously producer Danny from the quick snap, but the current co-host hated me and didn't believe I actually had ball knowledge. When I really do, how do I convince them otherwise? They are

47:04super stubborn NFL players that don't take a non players opinion seriously. Well, Danny, I would say you've checked the box. Step one, listen to the next patch podcast. So listen, you submitted a question. I'm just going to assume you're you're listening as we speak here right now. And so you're well on your way, young Daniel, you're well on your way. And I'm sure eventually those guys will have at least an ounce of respect for your football knowledge. I kid, I kid Danny's phenomenal. I love your football knowledge, Danny. Don't you worry about what anybody else thinks. All right, I've got your back. You remember that. Tom McGee, he says, do you expect a career year from dobs? Now that he doesn't have to share the ball of Christian Watts and Jaden Reed and Matthew Golden, he's going to have to share the ball with others here. Like the Patriots do have other past catchers. And I'm really expected. I'm really interested to see how the target share goes. But he is going to be as it stands right now unless AJ Brown comes aboard. He looks like he's their top option. So, you know, it wasn't maybe a little bit more muddled there, especially with Golden. He's a first round pit. Christian Watson. He's kind of like your traditional acts down the field. Kind

48:08of guy big play guy when he's healthy. So, you know, maybe he and now he's been paid. So like, that's a big thing. Like, let's not forget about that when it comes to the conversation and how much work this guy ends up getting. So I am expecting. I am expecting, let's say that right now, I'm expecting a career year from Romeo dobs. Is it a thousand yard year? I'm not willing to go there just yet. But I do think he's going to have a hell of a year, especially. I'm also going to go ahead and say, Jordan loves a really good player. There's a quarterback upgrade that I think he's going to benefit from in New England as well. Jake, Jake Thorndike asked between tackle tight end receiver and edge. Which positions do you think are most likely to be addressed by the teams top two or three picks in the draft versus free agency? Well, we know what they've addressed in free agency and there's still time to address some certain things there. But again, talk about premium position and talk about where this draft is deep. I think their first couple of picks are going to be edge and tackle. Now, let's see, because if they say no to a tackle in the first round, then it starts to get pretty dicey, right? Like now, you might be more willing to take on a project

49:14on on day three, who has the right types of, you know, physical traits that you're looking for. Because going after tackles, after the first round, it's just it can be they can be really, really hard to find. And so it's almost like looking for a backup quarterback. You know what I mean? Like if you're, if you want to, if you want a quarterback, usually you got to take them in the first round. After that, a quarterback in the third versus a quarterback in the sixth. Like, are you, is there really that much difference there? Tackle to me is similar because you're just rolling the dice. That's, that to me is, is a little bit of a gamble. You know, like anybody that they take that's not in the first round is he guaranteed to be a suitable successor for Morgan Moses. That to me, I think is a legitimate question. If you're talking about taking a tackle, somewhere in the sixties or even below that. But I'm going to guess edge is going to be somewhere in their top two. I'm going to guess tackle is going to be somewhere in their top two. And I like,

50:16I like the idea of tight end, but it could be receiver. Maybe that's the, maybe that's the third one that we're looking for there. When you talk about patriots, early positions to address. Few things are as uplifting as the greatest moments in sports. And nothing brings us together quite like team USA at the Olympic Winter Games from NBC Universal's iconic storytelling to the innovative technology across Xfinity and Peacock. Comcast brings the Olympic Games home to America, sharing every moment with millions. When team USA steps onto the world stage, we're not just watching. We're cheering together. This winter, we're all on the same team. Comcast, proud partner of team USA. Jimmy Johns is bringing big Greek energy and your taste buds are about to feel it. Meet the new Greek and chicken heroes back with juicy season meets and cool crisp veggies, all wrapped in warm soft pizza. We're a crave worthy bite. Feeling classic? Go Greek. Want to mix

51:17it up? Try the chicken hero. Either way, your lunch just leveled up. Order online at jimmyjohns.com or on the app today. Oh, that's good. And participating locations for a limited time while supplies last trademark and copyright 2026. Jimmy Johns franchise or SPV LLC. All right, let's take a couple more here. Michael Coppola. He says, how do you think they get their RB3? Is it in the draft or a late free agency signing? And what type of back do you think it would be? A good question here, Michael. You know, any RB3 is going to need to play some special teams. So you'd like them to have some return ability. I'm going to look right now at the free agent list of players that are still available at the running back position. And we're going over to over the cap.com. We're going to pull up the running backs here. All right, Austin Eccler, Antonio Gibson, Najee Harris, nothing really lighting my hair on fire here in terms of boy,

52:25you got to go get this guy. Here's an interesting name. Kenny Nguu. And I'm sorry if I butcher that name. But Kenny has played for the Jets. And he was part of a Jets return group that was one of the best in the league. And I did not realize he still looks like he is a free agent. And so like the reason I like that idea is, okay, again, he's going to be a factor in the kicking game for you. He's a taller guy. 6 1 2 10 is what he's listed at. And I remember when he was coming out of Iowa State, tremendous tremendous athlete. You know, is he going to be somebody that, if you get an injury to reminder, Stevenson, he's suddenly going to be your number one back. That I don't know. But he's been in the league a while now. And again, he's primarily going to give you some help on special teams. But I like, I like the home run hitting ability there. Because I

53:27just think that's sort of the name of the game. To some degree, at that running back position right now, right, all these teams are daring you to run. It's really hard to generate explosive place through the air because everybody's playing with too high safety. I mean, we just saw this was this is the ideal. This is the best of the best when you're talking about that Seattle defense and their structure and how they make life so hard on opposing offenses. But if teams are taking away, let's just boil it down. If teams are taking away the explosive pass, how can you generate explosive runs? If they're daring you to run, how do you create explosives? And if you can get guys like, they're very different players, but they do create explosives in different ways. Remondory Stevenson does it with physicality. And he'll run you over and he might not take it to the house. The same way, Travian Henderson will, if he gets a seam and run it in from 80 yards away. But he can still create a quote unquote explosive of 15 yards or more just by being able to break a few tackles once he gets to the second and third levels. So they have they have a power type

54:30who can generate some explosives and Stevenson, they have a speed type who can obviously do tremendous things when it comes to the home run hitting aspect of that position. And in Guano, to me, feels like kind of the Henderson end of the spectrum there. He's a little bit bigger guy. But that might not be a bad way to go. This is not a great, I haven't mentioned the draft yet because it's not a great running back draft class. Now in my seven round Patriots specific mock, we did give the Patriots a running back who I think is like a really special athlete. And it's not that I think he is Mike Washington, Jr. from Arkansas, ended up running a 43340 at 6123 pounds at this year's combine. This is the guy who was on the phone and like in tears after he ran his 40, if you saw that little bit of a viral moment, really cool in Indianapolis, 10 foot 8 broad as

55:30well. And this is a big back quote unquote big back 220 plus pounds, who has that kind of speed. Again, there's that home run hitting athleticism. Now he might be the third back off the board in this year's draft. Right. So Julian loves going to go. Julian love. Jeremiah love is going to go and maybe the first five picks and his teammate, Jadarian price. I just saw a mock draft from Daniel Jeremiah. He has him going in the first round to the Seattle Seahawks at pick number 32 who just, you know, that we know they just lost Kenneth Walker to free agency. But after those two backs, it's like anybody's guess as to which back is taken next and win. It's just not a really deep class, which is sort of odd. We think of that position is boy, you can you can kind of get him anywhere, right? This year that that just might not be the case. So can they get Mike Washington? I had them taken him in the fourth round. This is again, this is a few weeks ago. And our seven round specific mock, but you know, that's that's the type of player I'd be interested in because with those traits,

56:33here again, there's that home run hitting. There's that explosive play ability that I think the Patriots and really any team that's looking for a ring back could really use. So maybe he doesn't make it to the fourth round because teams are looking at it in the same way that I am. Let's do our last one here. William Barry. He says is no longer having eight games on the MetLife turf as big as I was told. Now I'm guessing this is in relation to the Elijah Veritucker signing. Now Veritucker, two of his injuries that have really screwed him up have been torn triceps that I don't think has anything to do with the turf. He did tears Achilles and so like if you want to make that connection, go for it. But like let's just mention Veritucker and his health. If he's able to be healthy, he is a top tier kind of guard. He's that good. And boy, I love that signing. That might be my favorite signing of the bunch because of what it does not only for Drake May and past protection,

57:36but what it could do for your run game and just the overall upgrade that it gives you one of the most important spots on your roster on the offensive line there. But I think I like it even more. The contract and the situation that is what it is, like they're able to get a deal on a guy who's really talented player because of the injuries he's dealt with. There's risk reward there. So like I like the deal. If you care about that, I don't think that really matters as much as as what he's going to do on the field. I think the reason I like it even more than just what he gives you in a vacuum is he's going to be. It looks like playing between two young players who could use a veteran presence who understands what's going on in there. And again, obviously he's dealt with injury and he's missed time, but he's played a lot of football and he's been in the league a while and he's going to be somebody who understands how to help those guys. He's played guard, he's played tackle. I think this could be really valuable for somebody like Will Campbell. And so you just got to keep him on the field. But if you can keep him on the field, we might be looking back at him and not Romeo Dops and not Dremont Jones and not Kevin Byard. We haven't even mentioned

58:42yet, but another really good signing. I think they've done a tremendous job in free agency addressing needs and bringing in players who are going to be able to play and contribute right away and provide upgrades from what they had last year right away. But I think we could be talking about him as their most important off-season signing if he can stay healthy and stay on the field because of what he does for Drake May because what we know is this team will go as Drake May goes, which is the case for every team where they franchise superstar quarterback, which is what they have here in that guy at a North Carolina going into his third season. All right, you can hear it in my voice. I'm losing it. So let's kick to our conversation with Trevor Sikama long pod, a lot of talking from yours truly, but had a lot to get to. And so really appreciate everybody for contributing questions to the bag. Thanks for sticking around. Listen to our mock. Listen to us break down that Jalen Waddle trade. Really fun time of year for next pass for me, in particular, hopefully it's a fun time of year for you to it's always a fun time to talk to Trevor Sikama. Here's our conversation with Trevor very excited now to have with us one of our great friends on next pass Trevor Sikama

59:45profile, Paul Focus also co-star of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast just talked to your buddy, Connor Rogers, our buddy Connor Rogers tremendous insight, but there is still yeah for us to dig into when it comes to this draft class. Yes. And I want to ask you specifically about receivers first. Okay, let's go big picture. Okay. And tell me how you feel about the depth of this receiver class and what might be available to the Patriots when they get to draft. So I tell people this all the time because it feels like every single draft class that we get to we go, man, receivers deep this year. Wow, there's a lot of receivers to like like, oh, you can get a wide receiver that might be a starting caliber player for you second and third, maybe even fourth round. And the reason why is because it's honestly the rise of seven on seven camps, how popular seven on seven camps have gotten for a lot of these high school players to where you might get some of these guys that maybe in a in another life 10, 15 years ago might have gravitated towards the defensive side of the ball. Well, if they want to play a lot of high level football with their friends seven on sevens kind of the way to do that. And so that way you just you're starting to get a lot more receivers

1:00:46and receivers are starting to develop a lot sooner when they are in high school. So they can hit the ground running when they're in college. They can be break out stars. And that's how you get to the point where just like this class, there's a lot of names to know. It's not like there's not a Julio Jones or a negatron or something like that at the very top of this class, but there's guys who are going to be wide receiver ones. There's a whole lot of wide receiver twos. There's a lot of players that depending on what type of wide receiver you want and X a flanker, a slot type of wide receiver. So there's so many of these guys in this class that you can have your eyes on to get. All right. Let's dip into some of the different categories him because I do find it interesting. Just based on where the Patriots are in their team build Trevor. Yep. You could make the argument for they really need like a big body playmaking guy on the outside. They have Keishan Booty, but you know, he's a certain type of body and maybe they could use a different one. Yep. You could make the argument that hey, Stefan Diggs probably at his contract number where it's at right now, he's set to make over 20 million dollars. Maybe he's not back next year. So he could use a Stefan Diggs

1:01:48type. So right. For you, who would be your favorite? Let's start with maybe that sort of archetype first that digs inside receiver primarily at the stage of his career. Yeah, but understands how to sit down in zones. A really smart great connection with the quarterback. Is there a player who fits that mold in this draft class for you that you really like? Yeah, I think that there is. I mean, McCyelem is the first guy that comes to my mind. The wide receiver from USC. I mean, he is one of my favorite players in this class. I mean, he is so tough. He's so reliable. He blocks his butt off. He plays from the slot. He wins from the outside. He creates separations so easily. And when you talk about Stefan Diggs and how great he is is creating that separation. That's what McCyelem and does. The problem is he getting to the back end of the first round. So you would have to trade up to get a player like that. So a little bit later, I think, is more towards your question of guys who could be options for the Patriots. The first guy that comes to my mind is Skyler Bell, the wide receiver from Yukon, who had a really good year this past year. They built the whole dang passing attack out of him. I mean, his yards per round run this year was incredibly high. One of the highest of any wide receiver in the country. And he's a little

1:02:50bit smaller of a player. He can play on the outside. But man, as a slot guy, I saw this in person when I saw him at the Shrine Bowl practices. He's just got such great body control whether that's in the air or making you miss in a phone booth in those short areas, creating that separation. He's also got over 10 inch hands. So he's got massive hands. That's why he was so reliable at the catch point. He is somebody who I think about Cyrus Allen from Cincinnati, another guy who I really like, somebody who stood out that I didn't know a ton about going into Senior Bowl week. And I came out of Senior Bowl week going, that dude might have been the best wide receiver of anybody that was at that event. And he's a little bit smaller of a receiver, but he played a little bit on the outside with Cincinnati. But he could just do so many things for you. And again, that route running Savon, somebody who consistently creates that separation. Those are two guys in a Skyler Bell and a Cyrus Allen that I think could be options for New England. So I love picking Trevor's big brain here because those are two names that quite frankly, I know nothing about coming to the NFL scouting combined. And in other years, the page read still make this a great for me. It's great

1:03:52for our listeners, for our viewers. Let's look at maybe an outside the numbers type of player this position. If the draft is their best place to find that big bodied X, who's your favorite guy? Yeah, again, the player in the first round that you think about is Denzel Boston, you know, he's big six foot four, 210 pounds. Like I who can win in those contest to get situations can win on the line of scrimmage. But he does a little bit of, you know, like the Mike Evans thing, where the Buccaneers over the last couple of years have been playing Mike, of course, on the outside, but also they'll play him in the slot as a mismatch type of a guy. And the reason why you can do that is because Mike's a little bit more savvy as a route runner than people expect for a player at the size. It's the same thing with Denzel Boston. So he's an option for them at X, but again, getting more towards, hey, maybe deeper in the draft. If you're not using that first round pick on a guy like that, if Boston's even there, Malachi Fields, the wide receiver from Notre Dame is somebody that I think deserves a shout out there just because he is fantastic at the catchpoint. He is built like an X wide receiver. You can play him outside of the numbers. But then there are those couple of plays where you could tell it comes in the headset or it's a player or whatever.

1:04:53He knows, okay, this is a vertical route. I'm just going. And his ability's got those long strides, those big long legs, long strides. I mean, he can open it up and get down field. So that is somebody that I think could be an option for them as an X Ted Hurst, the wide receiver from Georgia State and underrated player who I think it's going to test really well here in Indianapolis. And he's going to show people like, hey, I might be six foot three, 210 pounds, but like I'm I'm an 11 athlete too. And so I think he's in that conversation for how good he was as a contested catch guy. One of the higher percentiles and contested catches that we had. So he's another player that kind of comes to mind is that on the line of scrimmage X type of a wide receiver that as I think of some depth guys, those in my opinion are the players that a lot of people are going to gravitate towards because of what they can do from an athletic standpoint as much as a physical stamp. I love the potential Ted Hurst fit just because if they decide to, for example, bypass an opportunity to get Denzel Boston because they want to take it edge or something in the first. Sure. Right. And you're looking more day two for somebody who could give you a lot more

1:05:54upside. Yep. Maybe Hurst fills in that category. A couple more quick superlatives continue to superlative. Okay. Let's do it. Toughest receiver in this draft class for Trevor Sikama is. I think I got to go with Karnel Tate. And the reason why I got to go with Karnel Tate is first and foremost, he's super physical in the blocking. Right. If I'm going to give somebody this category, like you got to be able to block and he blocked his butt off this year for Ohio State 2 0.0, drop rate from him this season. When the ball hit his hands, he caught it. That was it. His contest to catch percentage this year. 85.7%. You're lucky if you have 60% as a contest to catch percentage. He had 85.7. So that is just the profile of toughness, being the blocker that he is, being the contest to catch player that he is, being very willing to hand fight when you're going through your routes and making sure you're attacking them ball in the air. That's one of the toughest players in this whole class day to receiver. I will provide the most explosive plays as a pro is I think Omar Cooper Jr. is probably the answer for that. The wide receiver from Indiana and for

1:06:57a long time Elijah Serrat, who I also really like, is it was the guy from Indiana that a lot of people looked at. But Omar Cooper Jr. had such a great year this past season. And I think Cooper Jr. is just he's more of an athlete than Elijah Serrat is. And when I look at when I look at some of these day two wide receivers, I was kind of this question. I'm kind of torn between two guys. Omar Cooper Jr. is obviously the one that I talked about there. Chris Bell, the wide receiver from Louisville is the other one. He's kind of the more obvious answer, but he's coming off of an ACL tear that he suffered about a month and a half ago. So that sort of goes into his profile, but my goodness. I mean, Chris Bell is six foot three 225 pounds. He might be running in the four threes when he's fully healthy. So from those big play as I'd say, Chris Bell if he's fully healthy, but if not him, Omar Cooper Jr. is that guy that I like a lot in the last one in the superlatives, most likely to succeed, but drafted on day three. Oh, because I feel like now when you start getting into that sort of depth, now I think we're really sort of digging into the likes and dislikes of one Trevor second moochers, what we all want to hear. Ian, um, I wonder if

1:08:01Malachi fields is that guy? I hate to repeat. He might go that late. No, I guess not. Like after the senior bowl, I think that he probably is going to be a ditch. She I thought I always kind of felt like he was sort of that fringe, you know, mid-round prospect, round three, round four, but after his senior bowl and where we've seen some people talk about him, maybe he is just going away, way, way higher. Yeah, because Daniel Jeremiah put him in a first. I know he did. I did, which is what I love the most about this class because it's not is I will say it's not as easy to scout players in this class. There are a lot. There aren't as many players in this class where you could go, okay, this player doesn't matter, matter where he is drafted, he'll be good. A lot of it is kind of like specific team landing spots. So that's how you get to the point where like you go, all right, well, maybe I would have liked to have this guy in the 70s, 80s, but scheme fit, what a team might need. Maybe you're pushing him into the top 50, but I did think of a name really quickly while we're talking about this. CJ Daniel from Miami is somebody who I think is a really underrated wide receiver. I have him within my top 100 right now. I think he does a really

1:09:02nice job of finding those soft spots and zones. He's got some really good spectacular catches at the catch point this past season, specifically with Miami on their national championship run, but it doesn't feel like there's a lot of hype for him. So it makes me feel like he's probably going to be that day three guy that I have a top 100 grade on. So CJ Daniels from Miami is somebody that I love that. I think he's awesome. Love that great name for us to know Trevor Sikama phenomenal stuff as always. Profitball focus NFL Stock Exchange pot. And can you tell us about the hats? The people are going to want to know where to find the hats that Trevor are their hats available. There are there are not hats available as we currently record this however when I get home as a one man shipping company myself, I will make sure we have the hats and we will make sure that we replenish the hats on the Shopify store. So if you guys do like the hat the logo or you just want to support the Stock Exchange podcast, we will have the hats up. I promise you they're coming. I'm picturing your home right now just loaded with like cardboard boxes essentially in draft prospects on core courts. Yes, like little it's it's it's the always sunny and Philadelphia meme where the

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