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A new mishnah - with a new discussion of a korban: miluim, the inaugural grain-offerings that were brought by Aaron and his sons. A second mishnah - when the kohen slaughters the thanksgiving offering in the proper place in the Temple courtyard, and the accompanying loaves were brought outside the place - with some dispute as to where that was - which means they were not consecrated.
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Talking Talmud — Menahot 78: The Inexperienced Kohen. Machine-transcribed; use the interactive transcript above to jump the player to any line.
Hello, welcome back to Talking Talmud. I'm one of your host, Jordana Azban, here with my friend, Akhavruta Angordan. Our dive today, Massach Aminach al-Daf Aynachat, page 78. So we began our chapter by talking about the Korban Toda, which is an interesting Korban because you bring 40 loaves of different types of sort of prepared breads. They were 10 for different types, and you brought 10 loaves of each one, and we also learned that you actually have to give Truma to the Kohanam. The mission here is going to talk about another type of offering. It's called Miluim. Now, Miluim in sort of a modern day Hebrew is the term that's used for sort of the reserve duty that people do in the army, but the term Miluim here was a specific offering
that Aaron and his sons brought when they were inaugurated as Kohanam. And as part of that, there were a variety of different types of loaves that also had to be brought. There's also a Nazeward offering, which is brought by the Nazear when he completes his term of Nisi roots, and that also had some different types of loaves that were brought, and that's what this mission is going to discuss. Miluim, how you baeim pa matzah, Shabbat Torah. So the breads of the Miluim offering were brought like the matzah portion of the Toda offering, Chalote, Uriqqin, Uri Khobah. So it was the Chalote, the Rikqin, and the Ravu Khah. Okay, so those were the three different types of, remember there was 10 loaves that were 11, there was one type of Chalote that were 11, three type of matzah, meaning 11, and so they would bring those three types that were 11. Nisi roots, I talk about Ash, they had to open matzah, Shabbat Torah, then there's zero loaves, were two parts of the matzah portion of the Toda offering, Chalote, Uriqqin, Veimba, Ravu Khah,
without the Ravu Khah, Nimzah, Asura Kabin, Urashamid, and they were made from 10 Urashamid Kabin of Flower, Shahin, Shisha, Esronot, Veodayan, which the wilderness measure, remember we learned this in yesterday's Mishnah, that there were different ways to measure at the flower, equals six Isarones and additional two thirds of an Isarone. Okay, so the, when you look at the Torah itself, it very, very clearly says the Chalote and the Rikqin of the Mealouim offering, but not the Ravu Khah. And so the Gamara wants to know, how do we know that the third type of offering was actually the Ravu Khah. That's going to be the first thing that the Gamara wants to discuss is what is actually the source for this, but I'm going to skip a little bit down, just to give us, there's a little bit here about a little bit more about this Mealouim offering. Amarav Khista, Rav Khista said, Khoyn Ghazah, Amit Karabla, Avodat, Sarif Jte, Esronot, Asura Kabin, when there was a new
Khoyn Ghazah, right, who started to do the Avoda, he needed two tenths of an Aifah, Ravu Khah offerings on that day, a Khatli-Him Chachau, a Khatli-Hinu Khau, one was for his enjoyment, and one was to sort of his initiation, right, the fact that he was starting to do the Avoda. Amarav, Ashi Amar, Shalosh, and Amarav, Ashi says he actually brought three offerings that day. Then the Gamara says below pleighi, they're not disagreeing, Hadzaavid Avodat, Kishikhu Khoyn Hedjo, the ruling of Rav Khista is a case where the new Khoyn Ghazah had done previous Avoda as an ordinary Khoyn, Hadzaavid Avodat, Kishikhu Khoyn Hedjo, whereas Mar-Barav Ashi is a case where he never did Avoda before, while he was an ordinary Khoyn. So I thought that was like a very, very interesting kind of concept. So the idea that he has is that if he had previously done Avoda, he only brings this one initiation offering, right, with the Khavitine that he's supposed to bring, remember, which was the offering
every day that the Khoyn Ghazah has to bring. But if he never did Avoda before, he needs to bring extra initiation offering, one that is sort of like initiating into doing Avoda in general, and then the second is initiation as a Khoyn Ghazah with the Khavitine that it would bring, and so this would end up being three Rav Khah offerings on that day. What I sort of couldn't figure out is like, how come and would this be that you could be made into a Khoyn Ghazah never having done Avoda before? I found this to be very interesting. They obviously don't bring a case of when this happened. It seems to be purely theoretical, but to me was like an interesting scenario. After some reasons to me, it seems plausible, right? Like, you know that story about Khimakhit, right, though, the woman who had seven sons and they all became Khohan Ghadolim, and I remember as a kid thinking, how is that like a joy for her if it means that each of the sons died,
and then somebody pointed out to me, no, no, you could be rendered tummy impure, and then you know, it goes to the next guy. So I can imagine that it would happen that somehow Khohan Ghadolim, like the Khoyn Ghadol got impure, and then the next one was impure, and then the next one is impure. No, no, no, no. What I'm pointing out is that this concept of having a Khoyn Ghadol who never did any Avoda before seems really bizarre, but that's what I'm saying. Like, I can understand where you come, like if everybody's somehow come in contact with something impure, and then, you know, somebody dies, let's say, and then you have to go to the junior guy who never did the Avoda, but he's the only one left for today. You know, like there was like mass tumor with the Khohan, and then like you just were left with like a young Khoyn who never did Avoda before. Super interesting. Okay, maybe interesting. And I don't think anybody would call that an ideal situation, but I understand where they need to accommodate for it. Yeah, okay. Okay, I'm going to go on now.
So we have the Khoyn who slaughters the Thanksgiving offering in the in the proper place, meaning inside the temple courtyard, and then that same time, the 40 loaves of the of the Thanksgiving offering were outside the wall. Now those loaves are not are not consecrated. Lo Khadash Halachim. Lo Khadash Halachim. And likewise, if you slaughter the Thanksgiving offering, you know, before these loaves get there, it's basically the crust on top of them in the oven, right, meaning it's the defining moment, I suppose, when they would consider the bread to be minimally done, and it says, even if all of the loaves, except for one of them, had this crust, but one was not complete, then those loaves are not consecrated. And the timing here is significant, right, in terms of when the street that takes place and when the loaves are not just when they're baked, but when they're
nearing the completion of their being baked. So then the gammar tackles us straight away and says, let's define some terms. What do we mean? My Khutsul Khoma, what doesn't mean outside the wall? Maybe Yolkhanama, Khutsul Khoma, Bait Pagye. We've talked about the Bait Pagye, I don't know, it hasn't come up recently, but it did come out some time ago. Rashi explains that this is the area outside the retaining wall of the temple mount, meaning it's outside of the walls of what was then Jerusalem. Nowadays, that same location would be within Jerusalem, like within the new city, but it's he in terms of it being not the place of consecration, not the place of sanctity. Okay, Rashi Laki Shema'a Khutsul Khoma'a Azarah. The Rashi Laki Shema'a is compared to Rashi Yolkhanama says that it was outside the wall of the temple courtyard, which is much closer, right, to where the animals being slaughtered. Rashi Laki Shema'a Khutsul Khoma'a Azarah, by Eina Al-Bissamuch, and then the gammar explains that Rashi Laki says outside the wall of the
temple courtyard, why does he say there instead of outside Bait Pagye? He says because we're talking about the loaves of things giving, we'd really seem to need to be right there, you know, close to the where the animal is being sacrificed as well. It says with the loaves, right, the animal sacrifice, with the loaves, this is from the verse in Leviticus in chapter 7, and so it has to feel like it's nearby as opposed to Bait Pagye, which is already some distance, you wouldn't, you don't relate to it in the same kind of way. And then we come back to Rashi Yolkhanama's position. I'm our Khutsul Khoma'a Bait Pagye, Aval Khutsul Azarah, Khadosh, Velo Bait Eina Al-Bissamuch. He says, Rashi Yolkhan's point is like if you're just outside the temple courtyard, then they're going to be consecrated, like what are you worrying about them not being consecrated if they're just right there? And so this disagreement seems to be, on the one hand, very practical, and on the other hand, they are directly in opposition. So the gammar takes issue with both. Baha'if Lagoobah,
they took this, they had this issue, this disagreement, where the loaves were outside of the, the bread was outside of the wall, when at the time that the Thanksgiving offering was slaughtered, they said, well, didn't they already have this disagreement a different time? And so then it gets into a whole discussion from Sakhim, which your date I'm going to say again, is very timely, given our proximity to Pesach, right? The slaughtering of the Karban Pesach, when it would come together with 11 bread, somebody still owns 11 bread is going to be a problem that's violating not owning chame Tso for Pesach. And so this discussion, again, renewed Rashi Yolkhan and then Reshluckish, then also Reshluckish says you can't, you're not going to be liable for owning that eleven bread unless it's at the same time as the person who, the person who owns it it is the same person who does the slaughtering or sprinkling of the blood, or one of the members of the group for the one Corbin Passach, and that the bread itself would be together in
the ket-temple courtyard. And Rabiyohanan says, you know, you're liable even if the living bread is not with you at that time. So this question of what does it mean to be in proximity seems to be a consistent point of departure for Rabiyohanan and Rishlokis? With that, I'm going to pause. I will note that there's a lot of Gamer here, and it really gets into the, you know, really delves into the different factors of this mission. That's our dog's discussion for the day. Thank you for joining us, Rancas Reviewers, where you get your podcasts. Come talk to us on our Facebook page and tell us what you think of this stuff. Thank you to Rabiyohanan Michelle Farber for hosting us on the 100th website. And until tomorrow, go and learn.
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