Malema faces backlash for slamming Mkhwanazi

Julius Malema comes out swinging against General Ntanka and Kwanazi and faces significant backlash

for doing so, sparking and igniting a massive public debate. What's it all about? Let's find out.

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subscribers next. Okay, fam, it has not been a very good week for the EFF. At both the Malanga

Commission and the ad hoc committee, there were some adverse statements made which seemed to

implicate the party and its leader, Julius Malema. In today's episode, I'm going to delve into

exactly what emerged at these various fora, but also how the EFF leader and the party has moved

to try to contradict some of these statements. In some ways, actually take aim at General Ntanka

Mkwanazi, who the EFF feel has not been completely wise about how he has used Julius Malema

and the EFF's name. So a very interesting week from the perspective of how the EFF

is going to deal with some of these adverse allegations and public perceptions. We need to begin

at the ad hoc committee, and I want you to take a look at what General Ntanka Mkwanazi said

about Julius Malema, and in particular, a rally that was arranged in Gwazulun and Natal, and how

Malema and Mkwanazi came to meet, but most importantly, how that meeting came about through

the intervention of Faro's Khan, a senior official in crime intelligence, whom Kwanazi alleges

has very high political links. This is an indication of the influence and access that General

Khan has in politicians. So he break about it when he told me to what extent I did not know,

but as you receive information and you get to realize that this man, he is indeed connected

to many politicians. I said the lead of EFF for the first time for me to sit with him is because

it's Kwan that took me to go and meet with him. Well, obviously he had his concerns about the rallies

and everything they were going to have there, which he would have met me in any way without

via Kwan, but whatever reason, Kwan arranged that meeting so that we could meet and talk about

the concern that they were having as a party. But that was an indication according to what

I observed that the man is very close to politicians. So there we have it. Mkwanazi alleges that

his meeting with Malema around this EFF rally happened through the intermediation of

Khan, this senior figure in crime intelligence. And Mkwanazi alleges that Khan has deep access

into politics and is connected to many political leaders, including Julius Malema.

And this has resulted in Malema responding and reacting and in some ways lashing out at Mkwanazi

at a recent EFF voter registration rally. I want you to take a look at Malema's response and then

we'll analyze the response and its implications. Take a look at what he said here.

He didn't meet me out of my own request. I went to KZN and I criticized Mkwanazi and I said we love

Mkwanazi, but the AKA meta is not being successful. The typical Mkwanazi called General Khan and said

I want to speak to this guy because he said I'm not doing anything on AK's case.

General Khan, who's well known to me, called a meeting and said Mkwanazi is asking to see me.

I gave them a meeting in Zimbali in KZN out of Mkwanazi's request. Mkwanazi came to that meeting

and told me that the people who killed the AKA, they are in prison already, but they are arrested for

something else. Soon they will be charged with the AKA meta. The whole information is there.

They are ready. They are just waiting for one or two things. That's what Mkwanazi tells me.

So I said, but why are you not communicating that? Because we are all worried about AKA's meta.

Mkwanazi says I cannot communicate this until I'm ready to bounce on these people because if I

announce this, begging them is going to interfere with this case and destroy the case, that's why

I don't want to announce, but this is the progress. And through to what he said, it didn't take a

week or so, those people who are now charged with AKA's meta. That's how Mkwanazi met with me.

But he says all of those things about General Khan, about all of that when I'm not there at the

committee. When he came and I was there, he could not say that impression about me in my presence.

So I've got no time for cowards. You want me? You talk that in front of my face and we engage

each other. He must never, never create an impression that there is a corrupt relationship

between me and Zbia. I know Zbia for nothing. Corrupt relationship between me and Khan. I've got

no corrupt relationship with General Khan or anyone of that sort. I've got no tender in the police

and anywhere. That's why they will never find me. Look for me and you will never catch me because

I'm not part of the gangsters. When I called Zbia, one of the cases I called Zbia about was a case

of Jerubushuha. The mother of Jerubushuha called me and said my child was kidnapped for too long.

Police are not doing anything. I took my phone and I called General Zbia. I said the mother

is looking for a child. Please, let's make sure this matter is resolved. Why did I take a phone

and call? It's my job as a public representative. When you bring complaints to me, I take them straight

to the police where they belong. Any matter bringing to me, I will deal with it because that is not

corruption. I repeated that one way in Khoshim Ampuru, when I was telling that criminal madala

that please talk to Jerubushuha's mother because she's looking for a son. So do not be scared,

do not be intimidated by those who think they can destroy us. They are small kids. They want to know

us. They must go and ask the Donald Trump who we are. So my lemma really coming out swinging

there for Guanasi and I'm going to go through the text of what we said just to reiterate

why I say that. So let's first go into the meeting with Guanasi. So my lemma says he actually admits

upfront that it was through Khan that he met Guanasi. So that's actually true. So what Guanasi said

there is true and my lemma verifies it. But he says there was a good reason for him meeting Guanasi.

And Guanasi doesn't seem to dispute that the reason was good either. So it's not clear why my lemma is

is or has a problem with Guanasi saying that he met my lemma through Khan. Because all

Guanasi was saying is that he was trying to show that Khan has deep political connections. For

example, he met my lemma through Khan. So that seems to be true. Now my lemma says they met

around the aka murder case because my lemma made public statements which said not enough was

happening on the aka murder case which again was true and there was a great public perception that

things were moving fast enough. And then Guanasi according to my lemma called him and said I see

made these statements. Let's meet and this happened through Khan. Cool. So that seems to be the common

cause factual basis of all of this. Now my lemma then moves on to say that Guanasi said these things

because my lemma wasn't present. And so he was being cowardly because he only said it when my lemma

wasn't at the ad hoc committee. And that for me seems incredibly unfair. First of all, Guanasi was

asked to give an illustration of why he was making these claims against Khan. And he gives an illustration

which my lemma admits is true. But secondly, Guanasi couldn't have known my lemma wasn't going to be

at the ad hoc committee in advance. And the Khan thing has become newly relevant particularly because

of some of the other revelations around Khan that weren't made before. So I just think it's unfair to

say that Guanasi was only saying this because my lemma wasn't at the ad hoc committee. Guanasi has

shown that he has no problem saying things to people's faces. And I'm sure he would have said this

if my lemma was there. But to then accuse Guanasi of cowardice, I think it's just unfair to Guanasi.

I also still struggle to understand what's made my lemma so upset. Yeah, me too.

Guanasi said exactly that has warranted being called a coward and saying we're not scared of

policemen. The struggle will not be scared of policemen. Yeah, again, I think that's also like

trying to equate Guanasi to an apartheid police person and then say, well, we weren't scared of

apartheid police. So now we're not scared of Guanasi. Again, that's just going too far taking it

to too much of an extreme and suggesting that there's something that some kind of intimidation

that is happening that is creating a climate of fear. I don't see what Guanasi has said as

anything intimidating. I just see him as revealing evidence. The factual basis of which

has not really been disputed. If Guanasi had made threatening statements or called my lemma

a coward, as my lemma called him Guanasi, or spoken a tone that appeared threatening, then maybe

there could be something around that. But I just don't think it's fair. And again, I'm not

and Guanasi stand or fan because what my lemma said is, you know, we are not ballboys for Guanasi.

But neither am I, not everyone who defends Guanasi is a ballboy. But if we look at this objectively,

I just don't see how Guanasi has threatened anyone in the air for my lemma except for just saying,

I met Khan through my lemma or I met my lemma through Khan, which seems to be true.

And we've been one of the platforms, actually, when we feel there's been loopholes,

like there has been meeting with Matala, we've come out and said, well, we understand the reasoning,

but it's not a good look. So we've played both sides. Exactly. Now, the other thing my lemma has said

is that Guanasi is using Khan to get to the EFF. So he's involving the EFF in a factional police

dispute. And Guanasi should only speak about Khan, but not the EFF. But the problem is,

you can't necessarily always separate the two because, for example, the EFF and my lemma spoke

very forcefully against bringing Khan to the ad hoc committee, which now doesn't seem like a very

good idea. So there are legitimate questions to be asked around if my lemma has agreed that

Khan is known to him, as he said in that clip. And if Guanasi says that my lemma and Khan were so

close that Khan was able to facilitate meetings with my lemma, then the public is justified in asking

the question, is there some connection between that relationship which led the EFF not to want Khan

to come to the ad hoc committee? So Khan and the EFF are related in ways that you can't just not

mention the EFF when you mention Khan. Again, if Guanasi's claim is that Khan is connected to

politicians, you can't not mention that politicians he's connected to as evidence because then otherwise

the EFF would say, Guanasi speculating and he's not being particular about his evidence. So I don't

see this claim or this accusation that's being mentioned against him, Guanasi, that he's somehow

dragging the EFF into a dispute where they're not relevant because they are to some extent relevant

in Guanasi's claims. I also think this is just a combination of everything that's happened in the

past week involving or the EFF and supposedly it's CIC being named at the Badanga Commission

on Sergeant Gossi's testimony. So I feel this was just like the last kick and then they had to

comment and say something about it. But I think the frustration was directed in the wrong

direction. If they wanted to come out strongly against someone, it should have been

Gossi to say, why would you name someone in your contact at Little Spokesperson when you know

they're not the Spokesperson of the EFF, who is CIC Juju that you were referring to saying that he

knew about tenders involved with security in the city of China. So I think Guanasi just caught

the street of a week of, you know, absolutely. Furthermore, for me just politically speaking,

I mean, Julius Malema is a very popular person in his base. He's obviously a massively

influential politician personally. But coming out against Guanasi in this way, I just think

is politically wrongheaded. Like the country is behind Guanasi. Guanasi has facilitated the

revelation of these massive unknown facts that the country wouldn't have known without him.

He's bravely come out against like entire establishments and largely been proven correct.

The country has like immense respect for Guanasi. And then to come out and

attack him like this, just from a politically strategic perspective, I think is going to have

major backlash consequences for the EFF as we've already seen. Of course, their base and those

who support them will defend them no matter what. But really in the electorate that they need to

convince in those who are still undecided voters, I think this is a really bad idea for them

politically because Guanasi is an extremely popular person in South Africa right now that you

don't want to be attacking unless you have very good reason. And I think be that as it may,

and all the good things that, or the important things that Guanasi has revealed in the last year or

so, or nearly a year, I think if there was legitimate reason for you to come out and come out

against something you said that I think if you've got reason and evidence to do so, that's okay,

he's not beyond reproach. But I just don't think this is it. I don't think this is a good enough

reason to come out swinging in the way that they have. Especially on social media, we've seen

ex-Tweets record this on Sunday the whole morning just coming at the general for.

Yeah, and usually when my lemma says something like the public, social media responses,

we'll be divided. But yeah, outside the EFF base, there's been a lot of pushback against him

doing this. And again, that brings him and the party into a negative light politically. So again,

I've discussed the factual basis in terms of the political strategy of this. I'm, I'm confused

as to why they've decided to do this. Now, we say in Guanasi interestingly, also tweeted about this,

saying effectively, I would say for the first time, publicly kind of coming out against something

Julius, my lemma has said, he's he's he's subtweeted a couple of times, especially towards

what's happening at the ad hoc. But I think specifically on something that's happened.

Yeah, exactly. And I'm going to bring up his tweet and read it for you to show like the kind of

public response to my lemma's comments. This tweet has 800,000 views as I and 16,000 likes as I

tweet. As I read it on Twitter, hands off General Guanasi, a society that doesn't protect whistle

blowers is doomed to become a mafia state. They have already killed Babita. What do you think they

will do to Guanasi? He must be shielded from all petty egotistical pompous and parasitic attacks.

All who try to reduce his mission to personality fight or even factions within the SAPS are all

wrong journalists, politicians, many experts have been peddling this line. What this line seeks to do

is to neutralize the correct momentum against SAPS generals who have protected advanced and benefited

from organized criminals with the endorsement of top politicians. Guanasi's mission is simple,

organized criminals and embedded with top politicians and top generals and they must all be exposed

and meet the full might of the law. Fact, all who oppose General Guanasi are not with the people,

that is the bottom line. If Guanasi doesn't win this battle, which is a people's battle,

then ours will become a banana republic, a mafia state ruled by men with guns, society must defend

itself. So there we go. One important thing that I think Josie raised there comes at the start,

which is that whistle blowers must be protected. Guanasi is doing all of this at significant risk

to himself and his life. We've seen what has happened to some of the people who have

blown the whistle on these things. And for some reason, Guanasi gets treated in this different

category of whistle blowers, like some must be protected at all costs, but others can be attacked

and ridiculed and called all kinds of names. And I think that's very dangerous because what you then

do is that you dissuade other future whistle blowers from actually telling society the truth

because they are afraid of being spoken about in public at political rallies and in other forer.

So I do think that's an important point. And again, that's why I think we should err on the side

of caution when addressing questions around Guanasi because he has faced great personal risk

in revealing what he's revealed.

Yeah, I think a large part of what Okan Losi said there is is sums up what, like you've said,

the backlash towards Malema's reaction has been. I still don't think it's warranted. And I

still sit there trying to think how and why it would have been warranted to call Guanasi a coward.

A coward after what he did on July 6th? Yeah, no, there's no way you can call

and thank some Guanasi a coward. But that's one thing he's not. We could say many things.

Many other things. Yeah, I think there's probably few people who have been as brave as

Guanasi. And I'm pretty sure he would not be afraid of Malema in a parliamentary committee.

Cool. So this is against the backdrop as or a producer or a dealer has said of the

Mazanga Commission. So as this was happening at the ad hoc committee, there were a series

of explosive revelations around the EFF at the Mazanga Commission which called into question

their alleged involvement in tender rigging. Now once again, what I will say to be fair is that

these claims go no way to proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the EFF or Julius Malema were

involved in tender corruption. It's far from it. What we have is a few WhatsApp messages that

seem to implicate the EFF. However, having said that neither can these allegations be denied and

presumably the Mazanga Commission and other agencies or the media will pursue these to see if

there's any veracity to them whatsoever. So for me, the better route that the EFF could and

should have gone, as you said, is these allegations have come out about the EFF being involved in

rigging tenders. This is why they are untrue and this is why they are proved wrong. And this is why

those allegations don't matter. But we didn't necessarily get that from the EFF. So I want to go

into what came out of the Mazanga Commission because this is increasingly becoming an important

subplot the way that the EFF is featuring in Sergeant and Guassi's testimony. And so I want you to

take a look at a clip here, which exposes how evidence leader Matthew Chaskolson also known as

advocate Chakalaka these days. How he revealed these WhatsApp chats are relating to tender

irregularity and where the EFF features. And then we'll come back to see what they say and

analyze them in more depth. That General LaMini sent to you on the 9th and on the 11th,

you forward to the CFO on the 11th at 1pm which is actually 3pm. You see those three messages

often in my brother, the two vehicles and then the seven entities allegedly identified by the red

berets. You see those three? That's correct. Now let me pause here and ask why was it necessary

for General LaMini to communicate with the CFO through you in relation to these three messages?

Okay, thank you.

The three messages, I will start with that one of seven companies.

At that time, according to the General, that he was approached, I don't know by who,

but some individuals knowing that he's waking up to a net or he wants to work with them before,

but I think he was waking up so on security issues. Then they gave him these seven companies.

Then they fed us to him, these companies belonged to CICQ2.

And then they fed us that the same companies were also given to the CFO.

So he sent me the same company to send to CFO to verify as he knows about these companies.

And at this company, the key to it is through the way they are saying that they were sent

by Juju. Now, who is the Juju or CICQ2 whom you're referring to?

I took it as they sent it to me. It's the I CQQ2.

Who did you understand CICQ22B?

At that time, I did not need maybe to understand on who it was, but I just took it as it came,

that it's CICQ2.

What was the, what legitimate purpose could there be of checking with the CFO that a list of

companies allegedly coming from CICQ2 had in fact come from CICQ2? Could there be any legitimate purpose?

This is a tool called Wogutti.

Wogutti means, if you don't understand, you can use Wogutti as a company.

Wogutti is a tool that has a lot of power. Wogutti is a tool that has a lot of power.

How did you know that?

This is the North to a certain if indeed these names, these company names did come from

QJU so that they all could be assured of that.

Why would the CFO need to know if these companies names came from QJU?

The CFO is not a CFO, it is not a CFO, it is a CFO.

I think the reason was that Mr. Nisei also needed to assure that these names need indeed

to come from the CIC children, that's why he needed to establish this from Mr. Jamin.

I'm not sure if I could write a commission.

And did you understand?

So you can please repeat the question and let's get the answer again.

What legitimate reason could there be for the CFO to need to know whether this list

of companies came from Juju?

Mr. Chaskar Singh, I think we have a question.

That was the question.

What legitimate reason could there be?

What was the reason?

Mr. Chaskar Singh, what was the reason?

Mr. Chaskar Singh, what was the reason?

Mr. Chaskar Singh, what was the reason?

The reason was that Mr. Chaskar Singh did have this name.

But he wasn't sure if they just named Mr. Chaskar Singh.

The reason was that Mr. Jamin did have this name.

But he wasn't sure if they just named Mr. Chaskar Singh to say that they came from Juju CIC.

They wanted definitely to have certain with Mr. Nisei that fact.

But my question is a different question.

Is anybody Juju or anybody else entitled to influence tenders by indicating who their preferred bidders are?

Sorry, Mr. Marui, you did not interpret the part about influencing.

Sorry.

No, they did not have that right.

Okay, so there's actually a lot going on here, so let's try and simplify and analyze this.

Number one, we have Umashi Ghamini, who at the time of these messages was the deputy head of the Twine Metro Police.

Number two, we have George Mnisei, who was the CFO of Twine, Gareth Mnisei.

And then we have Angosi, Sergeant Angosi, who is playing his familiar role of transferring information

between these two people.

So what is the information and what is being alleged?

Umashi Ghamini, the deputy head of the Metro Police, gets a message saying there are these seven companies that are related to CIC Juju.

And he forwards it on to Angosi to say, are these the seven companies?

And you verify with the CFO Mnisei that these are the companies that CIC Juju was referring to.

So Angosi then takes that forwards it to the CFO.

And then the CFO Mnisei looks at it and says, I've had a meeting with the EFF and action essay.

And then he says something that still needs to be explained.

He said, um, it doesn't, it doesn't sit well with me.

So effectively what it looks like is happening here is that there's some list of companies that are linked to the EFF for a security tender, by the way.

So there's tenders to protect critical infrastructure in swine and security companies are going to be paid to do so.

Someone, somewhere has said that there are companies linked to the EFF and given this to the swine Metro Police deputy head.

He sent them to the names to Angosi to check with the CFO if indeed these are the companies that are linked to CIC Juju.

And the CFO confirms he had a meeting with the EFF and action essay but then says it didn't sit well with something didn't sit well with him.

So what exactly is going on going on here?

It looks like at least in Osi, Jaminie and Mnisei are participating in some kind of tender preferential activity where they are trying to prefer companies over other companies or trying to arrange for companies to be awarded specific tenders.

So the actual fact Umashi Jaminie was suspended immediately just based on what happened at the Malanga Commission. He was suspended this week.

And this came into effect on Friday the 20th of March. So the Friday after all of this as this was happening.

EFF says they sent no such list and and these companies are not linked to the EFF.

That's that's said there on at the rally. Yeah. So Malema says was at the rally. So they deny it.

But the question is with Angosi who has been so central in this intermediating between Katmakrala and Sibia.

Why is the EFF coming up in Angosi's white apps? Does that prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the EFF has been involved in the various tender again?

Absolutely not. A lot more evidence would have to be adduced to prove that.

However, is there something suspicious about the EFF coming up in these white app messages where a lot has already been proven in terms of Angosi being a key go between between the criminal underworld and figures within government?

Yes. Yes. So it's not a good look for the EFF facing an election to be dealing with these allegations of tender rigging

and their leader's name coming up in the white apps. Not only of high ranking police officials in China, but also Angosi and the CFO Mr. Nisi at the time.

So that's effectively what came out around the EFF. Now this is against the backdrop of Angosi's well actually producer or dealer any any thoughts or anything you want to add to that.

I'm thinking also this is also a few a day or two after we learned about the Zenzille EFF contact.

Exactly. We learned about the Galito EFF spokesperson, which are these two people saved on Angosi's phone with links to the EFF.

I'm not saying they are all linked to the EFF, but that's how the guys saved them on his phone.

Exactly. And like Matanga said, the only reason you do that to save some on your phone like that is so you remember if you don't remember the name, at least you remember how you knew them about to know them.

Exactly. Again, we're not alleging that that's true, but that's the evidence that was presented at the commission.

Exactly. And so it's it's the EFF has come up a lot in Gorsi's testimony, not just these tender white apps, but also people saved on Gorsi's phone in ways that seem for him to remember that they are linked to the EFF.

So as I said at the beginning of this video, it wasn't a great time for the EFF, because while they were being mentioned at the ad hoc committee, they were also being mentioned at the Mazanga committee commission.

And that has raised questions. Now, I'm not sure where it goes from here. Could it be that Mazanga calls Julius Malema to clarify this or deny any of this?

Could it be that further evidence arrives? Could it be that Mazanga calls Zamini from the Metro Police Department to explain why he was checking to verify if these companies were linked to the EFF?

Could it be that Mazanga calls Mnisi, the CFO?

By the way, it's not a good look for action SA either, because there are further white apps which show and they've instituted an internal investigation, etc.

It was also placed on the MMC, it was an action SA.

So action SA have said they're investigating, but the EFF hasn't said they're investigating, they've just denied.

So we'll have to see where it goes from here. As I say, more evidence is needed, more investigation is needed, nothing is conclusively proven.

At the same time, you have the EFF speaking out publicly in ways that don't necessarily that that could be construed as trying to deflect from these specific issues.

Speaking about Konazi and how he has an ulterior motive for revealing stuff about Khan.

Whereas in actual fact, these are the allegations that need to be comprehensively disproven and it should be relatively easy to comprehensively disprove them, just show these companies are not in any way linked to the EFF.

And they never got any tenders with China. And that would be fairly simple to demonstrate.

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So this has been an analysis of the way that the EFF has come up in this Konazi saga over the last week.

Let me know your thoughts down below. What do you think? Do you think the EFF has been fair on the Konazi and fair on the Konazi?

What do you make of the allegations that came out of them? What's apps and potential irregularities in tenders?

Is this sufficient evidence at the moment to warrant further probe or is this all just an attempt to discredit the EFF in Julius Malema?

Let me know down below. Thanks for watching SMWX. See you on the next one fam.

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