Mahomes or Allen (Again???) and a Clippers-Heavy Mailbag With Nick Wright

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2:23Nick Wright is here. You see him with my buddy Kevin Wouts on first things first every day on FS1 who's also the host of the what's right podcast. Competing podcast but not really because we're all friends. Well, yeah, that's one that is it's also, you know, also not competing because I think you have the most popular sports podcast in the world. So I don't. So I also don't consider you a competitor, but I appreciate you mentioning. I do with my son. For everybody everybody has. Yeah, of course. Yeah, there's some for all of us. Yeah, great to see you. You were supposed to come on during the summer to do a mailbag with me and the time he never worked out. You got riled up a couple times. You got mad that I wasn't wearing seat belt. I did. I said you. So I preemptive. So here's the thing because you always talk about getting aggregated. Yeah. Sometimes the aggregation, you know, is good in regard like, it's almost free publicity,

3:23like some of the clippers or whatever. It's like, oh, I didn't put that out there. And sometimes I say certain things that I'm like, we're not going to put this out because I don't want to be publicizing, you know, this shot I'm taking at someone. Yeah. But I anticipate someone will put it out on my behalf and then I'm like, hey, I didn't publicize it. I just said it. Right. It's like a no look pass. Exactly. Like, oh, I mean, I said it, but I wasn't like losing it, but I knew it could boost it. Yeah. But I was worried that there was going to be like a headline, Nick Wright eviscerates Bill Simmons, the seat belt thing. So I did a front run on it, which is I immediately clipped it and texted it to you. So you knew even if you never watched it, what I was saying was in good, my heart was in the right place. Before I knew you can't see anymore because your contacts, this is like Wednesday. Wednesday, I'm going to be able to see. We'll see how I can read. You're going to do a mail back with me. I'll be able to see if I can read. I made a room. I'm glad you're worried about me though.

4:26I'm worried about you because once again, once again, you're just all in on this chief season with all these different variables. You wanted to argue about Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes yet again. Well, here's what I wanted. It's not even about Josh Allen, but Patrick Mahomes. It's I just want to ask you this in your entire life as a football thing. Because do you think I think right now, Josh Allen is the majority opinion best quarterback in the league? I don't think it's consensus. I don't think it's unanimous, but I think it was family feud. He would get the most votes. Safe is bet to be a really good quarterback game after game. Right. And on most quarterback lists, you did it before the season last year, and I was a guest. But at most lists or pyramids, whatever, he's number one. Has there ever been another time in the history of the NFL where the consensus, if you will,

5:26number one quarterback was someone who had never been to a Super Bowl, had never been first team all pro, was not the reigning MVP, was not, didn't have the most second, most third most MVP's of any active player had it was not coming off the best season of his career. And in fact, in the most recent game he played was arguably the most damaging loss of his career. Has there ever been another time where a quarterback with that resume, it's like he's the best. I would argue no. So it's just baffling to me that people, it feels to me like the cycle with Josh Allen is every year, the hype gets bigger and bigger and bigger. And then he gets outplayed by the opposing quarterback in a playoff loss. And for about a week, people are like, oh man, Josh could have played better. And then we're right back to, you know what, Josh Allen. If only he had, I don't know, the rushing champ, well, he had that better defense play

6:29at top five deepens four years in a row, the best offense of line and football. And so it's that part is baffling to me. And I don't know a historical corollary for it. It's really interesting because if you go back, I guess maybe Marino would have been the last one, but he did make a super bowl his second year. He snapped went to a super bowl and was like coming off like the, he was MVP that year and was defending. And it's like, oh my God, the sky's the limit. And then then Montana overtook him. I will ask one other Josh Allen question for your listeners and viewers who aren't driving. If you're driving, don't close your eyes. Or if you're, but for everyone else, if I say, hey, what's Josh Allen's signature win in the NFL? We'll think of it. You know what? It's the boss. It's the third second game. Yeah. The signature wins the loss. This signature win is around to loss five years ago. Yeah. It is best is high watermark is a divisional round loss from a half decade ago.

7:33I'm so it's like, there's a lot of guys who are far much further down the pyramid that we can point to a signature win or two or four. And Josh is best like he is the greatest wild card round quarterback I've ever seen. At he is. I mean, the wild card round like he, the, the, the, the, you know, nobody has benefited more statistically speaking from the NFL adding a seven playoff team because they're the two seed every year. But he plays Mac Jones or Mason Rudolph or Skylar. So this is your guy LeBron. This is this is Hubsley Brown the most all these extra playoff games that he got to play. Okay. Well, let's try to all these first round series that he boned up on. If we're going to do that, I mean, Jordan, Jordan didn't have as many first round like, you know, whipping bags that he could have gone through. Okay, except Jordan and LeBron, the playoffs were 16 teams for both of them. They was the same number. If you compare LeBron, but if you compare LeBron versus like Bill Russell, who,

8:35Bill Russell is playing 11 playoff games a year. Like he's never going to have this. Yes, we're doing. Yeah. Or, you know, a Babe Ruth versus Barry, or, you know, somebody. So let me unpack what you said here because I think there's two really fun things about this. One is that. And I don't know how I became a Josh Allen on the Josh Allen camp because I don't even think the bills are going to be good this year. I did pick them to win the Super Bowl last year and they didn't. But this did, we hit all the beats of this with Manning versus Brady in the 2000s. I know. And I was hard core Brady, hard core. I was like, what are we doing? This is why we have playoff games. But part of the problem was that Manning was really coming up short in those playoff games to the point that it started to feel car on Malone-ish. And then in the, in round 05, it started to flip. And then he finally got the Super Bowl. But that's the last time I can remember this happening other than Mike Trout. But that's baseball. We make excuses for baseball because it's like, well, it's 25 players. I think Josh is in this.

9:37It's almost like we have that group with the superstars where we do the Yeah Butts. And it's like, yeah, he's great. But with Josh, it's the other way. It's like reverse Yeah Butts where it's like, it's not his fault. It's everyone else's fault. Don't blame him. He's doing everything he can. Which is the best place to be as an athlete where you get no blame at all. It's literally everyone else's fault. I mean, they had the Goddog rushing champ last year. And I got to watch get up being like, can they get him some help? I'm like, James Cook's pretty good. Right. Yeah. The prior, you know, people are like, well, you know, look at the receiving courts. Like, well, he had a number one with step on digs and they had a falling out. The, the, the defense, he had great regular season defenses that my homes abyscerated so they became bad postseason defenses, I guess. But the, here's my other, the, the Brady Manning thing. That's honestly closer to if Patrick is Brady in this instance, but Patrick also has multiple MVP and the staff at the time. Yeah. Manning would be Lamar.

10:38Lamar is the more decorated regular season player between Lamar and Josh. It's good. And Lamar does come up short in the postseason might. Yeah, but did anyone ever think Lamar was the best quarterback in the league? I don't think there was a single season where we felt like this is the guy. This is the bar to get there because my homes or Brady was always there. So I agree with that. But I'm Lamar. Lamar has more has three first team all pros. I know. But it's regular, the regular season stuff. I think versus playoffs and set two different seasons. So that's how I feel. I totally agree with you, which is why I don't understand some of the Josh Allen, Hagia Grafee. I think I miss pronounced that word. Hey, you're a geography. Hey, you're a guy. If you missed that. Definitely. I'm not out, but you hear. I because here is how and we don't have to spend a ton of time on this, but I get fired up post 13 seconds game. Here is the four, the way Josh's season has ended the four years.

11:412022 at home. Round two. Really? Tough one. Gets beat up. I like they lose 27 to 10. OK. Ask it. 2023 at home against a chiefs team that nobody believed in. The people thought to it and the dolphins could beat the previous round plays well. But gets outplayed by Patrick. Did it make the biggest biggest series of the game did it make the place? Got the ball down three. Had the ball a chance to win it. Had a ball the chance to win it into it. 2024 on the road against Kansas City down three with the ball three and a half minutes left. Everything in front of you. Perfect scenario of go score Patrick won't get the ball. They got 17 yards and ended up hunting or no turn over on down. It's part of me doesn't do it. And then last year. The path to the Super Bowl is beat Bonix and then go to New England where you had just

12:46won a month prior. But you never should have beat Jacksonville. You got through them somehow because Jacksonville got the game. You're lucky to be in round two. But he did in the Jacksonville game. He did play great in like him credit. And in that in that Denver game. Had the single worst playoff turnover from a star quarterback we've seen in a decade. The one before the half. Two more egregious ones. And then and this people another thing people forget. Denver got the ball first in overtime and Buffalo got a stop. Ball in overtime. Go get a field goal. And you are playing what's left of the Patriots. To go to the Super Bowl. And you don't get it done. And you have four turnover playoff game and your stocks never been higher. That's the part I don't get. Here's the problem. This reminds me of the year after Jordan retired. When we had the lockout season. Do you remember who won the MVP during the lockout season?

13:47Carmelone. The second of two. Carmelone edge dad Alonzo morning for the MVP. Right. And everybody's like, what's going on? Should we even hand out this award and Carmelone wins it? And it was just basically like this vacancy void until Duncan wins in the finals. And we're like, okay, maybe he's the best guy. Then the next year, Shaq runs a block. It's like, oh, Shaq, maybe he's the best guy. Duncan takes it back. And I just feel like there's a void. And we kind of don't know who to put in this best QB because mom's got hurt and suck last year for what he usually is. Correct. So the reason is because Patrick had the worst, you know, the Patrick season last year is so interesting because nobody remembers this. Well, people think he heard as they see on September now that now that where you're removed, they forget there was six and nine when he got hurt. Is the six and eight when he got hurt in the game. They were six and seven going into the game. Yeah, six and where he got hurt.

14:48But here's the thing that I think you probably like the chiefs last year at after week eight, where the favorites won the Super Bowl. Patrick was the favorite for League MVP. And at week eight, Patrick led the NFL in yards and second in touchdowns. And then I let you call Patrick, like you called your mates. I mean, close personal friend, but Patrick, the people don't, he also, his mother doesn't like when you call him Pat. I'm calling him Patrick. I'm paying, you know, it's a second Edward Norton thing. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. But yeah, don't comment. He's Edward. Okay. And then week nine up before until he got hurt, those next six games, yeah, we're the worst game, we're stretched of his entire career. He played terribly and I'm talking heads like Nick right, make it excuses for him left and right. Well, you know, we're super, super super balls. Andy really saw where the skill guys play Andy. Kelsey, let's slow the right again. And the worst running backs to the lead.

15:49Listen, I made his whole line picks. I did this all with Brady a couple times in the 2010s. So air to say that I, that, both of these things are true. They had an offensive line ravaged by injury. The receiving core was disastrous. They were absolutely exhausted from the three straight trips to the Super Bowl. It's the Warriors. It's said 2015 and 19 Warriors where you're playing all these extra games. They finally catch up to you and your coach probably should be sent out to pasture at this point. So and by the way, just like just because you were talking to you already invoked him once, like you're talking, yeah, those four straight finals really or five straight finals really wore down the Warriors. Imagine how great you'd have to be to go to H straight and just be at your best at the end of every season. But that's either here or there. Um, until they got the complete. Yeah, LeBron just went to H straight. I get against the Leastern Conference. I get. Well, okay, I'm rooting for some of the teams. They played in the round three.

16:50They were terrible. That's a J Krater guarding him in a conference finals. The oak. I mean, my God, you love those Celtics team. The young Celtics, my God, we almost beat them with Terry Rozier and Ricky Jay Santana. Yeah. And Marcus Morris. I still don't know what happened. And then LeBron said, so um, George Hill and Timothy Mazgov come on. Come, come with me. I got you. I'm back. Get on my back. Um, but no. So listen, so it is the void is the answer to the best. Quarterback alive question should just be Patrick because he has so many more accomplishments than these other guys. But because he played so poorly, the final two months of last year and he's coming off the ACL, it feels up in the air. People see how they move. Don't you don't you want to see what happens with five minutes left in a fourth quarter and thirty eight when he's got a scramble for first down? All of it is fascinating. And like the what, what, what, where he, what he looks like post injury because this is something we talked about last year.

17:52Yeah. Yeah. That the, the corollaries of the 2007 Patriots were a game away from being the greatest team of all time went, winning their fourth champion. There were two plus minutes away. They were, they had the lead. No, so plays away, but they walked into that game knowing if we win it. Yeah. We are the greatest team of all time and it's their fourth ring. They lost and then the next year Brady got his knee blown out. Yeah. The twenty twenty four chiefs were a game away from being the greatest team ever. They were winning three Super Bowls in a row. They lose it. They lost very differently than you guys. The next year the quarterback gets his knee blown out. It's, it's scary. What's scary as a chief's fan is that those following two seasons are the kind of forgotten part of the past dynasty. Oh, nine, you guys were ten and six and mediocre and twenty ten.

18:53You were awesome, but then lost to Mark Sanchez in your first playoff game. Got our asses kicked. We got our asses kicked in two straight playoff games. Yeah. I think those two seasons are really instructive for this Mahomes thing. I've talked about this on the pod before because you're basically, you're at the end of whatever era that was. Right. Well, it was great about what Brady and Bella checked it was they figured out how to read it. The second era, which was around the tight ends and and Bella checked actually hitting some draft picks and the defense. But Brady was so good. They were always ten and six, twelve and four, whatever it was. They always had a top five offense no matter what was going on and they were able to patch it together until the town showed up. And it feels like you're in this right now. I'm, I'm, I wanted the whole summer. I was ready to go under on the chiefs. This is one of the reasons I want to have you on because I really, we haven't really talked about my homes on this podcast that much. I wanted to go under on them. I felt like this was a transition year. I didn't know what I was getting at a read. You missed a couple drafts.

19:53You had the, the rice thing. I don't know what you're getting at a hit in this year. I don't know if worthy is good. I don't know if Kelsey's going to be in, you know, even remotely the same anymore, etc., etc. And when, when it came like we did the futures draft last night, me and so. And I was going to do these state fando has these bets like this team will win more than that team. And I had two chiefs bets and I pulled them because I was like, you know what? I just, I could just say the chiefs somehow go on 11 and 6, 10 and 7 anyway. To me, it's just a stay away. I don't know what's going to happen. I don't even really have a strong opinion on it anymore. So I listen, what if you're a chiefs fan, the, the hope for this season is the comp is 2022 post trading tyrie. So 2022, they were coming off the indefensible playoff loss to Cincinnati when they just blew it in the second half of that. You know what happened in that game? What the Patrick was concussed Patrick had concussed like that.

20:54It's like, that's what happened. I mean, he's, let me listen. I'm not as comfortable saying that as you what I will say is. I don't know why it's a bad thing to say it though. I think there was a clear before and after in that game when he got hit in the head and he was never the same and was the most, made some of the most inexplicable decisions. He's made his career all over the span of an hour and a half and blew the game. We've never seen a half like that before. He definitely was hurt or compromised or something. He was something was wrong. And so they, you know, they had the year before they got blown out in the Super Bowl. Then they lose Cincinnati, then they trade Tyree kill and people are like, okay, you know, chiefs good for you. You won the one Super Bowl. You're like, you're now in a different time. They went all in on this young defense and a wide receiver core where every single guy that was in that wide receiving core is out of the league now except for Skymore who's a pump return. That's what the Patriots had the same thing where you go back and look at some of the receivers and they're like, where are they?

21:55They were gone. And that young defense got better and better as the year went on. Patrick was unreal that year throwing to nobody's, but with a good offensive line. And they turned it around like that. They spent three picks in the top 40 on guys to defensively impact the passer. The top corner and football, Peter was the detackle, Armason Thomas the D N. They are rolling the dice that Josh Simmons is going to be healthy and available for the majority of this season. The reporting this morning that he might miss week one is terrifying for the chase. Oh, no. I didn't like you anyway in that game. And so it's so potentially not having him your left tackle for week one against Denver. Patrick's first came back as concerning. But what the chiefs rightly or wrongly what they believe is if Patrick has a solid offensive line and the defense can get off the field on third down, the rest of it, he'll take care of the rest of it with. And this is the part that I think has been overlooked in how what's happened to Patrick's

23:00numbers the last couple of years. Sometimes certainly last year and a little bit the year before it did not matter what formation Kansas City was in. Teams were like run it all you want. You guys can't hurt us running the ball. We are just playing the pass. And that's why I think the Kenneth Walker edition changes things not because Kenneth Walker is a special player. But because if you just do six men in the box like teams are doing its Kansas City for two years, they'll be able to punish you there. And is that clean things up for Patrick a bit? So it's like having a center where you get a really good three point shooter. Yeah. Spat to give them a little more space and room to operate. But they are also here's where they're also similar to your paths. They're not, you know, big spenders. They're not they don't do void here. Well, we're the cheapest. You're not the PR Christian Gonzalez. We when he when his agent is the same age as with a spoon. We got a six weeks ago.

24:02What are we doing? It's unbelievable that you guys won't pay Christian. He's so cheap. And nobody wants to talk about it because we've won so many super balls and he kept the patriots into England, right? We owe him a lot. But I don't understand why he's this cheap with this stuff. And we're compared to how the Eagles are always like pushing the envelope, spending, spending, spending, and looking for every nook and cranny and the paths are the opposite. He's just pocketing money. The Gonzalez deal should have been the easiest deal in the history of sports. I don't even know what the rationale is. They're like, they're so far apart. It's like, every guy would kill if have good. Every team would kill to have him. And same draft, same position, same agent. It's like, okay, here's where the spoons deal. We're going to add 2%. So he's now the highest. And it's done. The terms, whatever the agent agreed to for whether spoon would be agreeable for Gonzalez. I'm worried they're going to trade him. That would be, I'm not kidding.

25:03I'm honestly, I'm prepared for anything with this because clearly they didn't want to get the deal done. And I don't know what to expect. Who the F knows? So I don't, so can we, before we do mail back, can I ask you a Pat's question? Well, I had one more cheap thing for you. Oh, sure. Yeah, go. I just think the Kelsey thing is a huge part of this. There's the fact that he got old and he's had a full NFL career and he's going to the Hall of Fame is one of the best tight ends of all time. The best, but that's what I go ahead. Well, he's definitely not because he was a C plus blocker. C minus. So have you, I like blocking with my tight ends. I understand. I like the most talented best tight end of all time. Grant was the best ever. Now he just is though. Grant is the best ever. Hold on. Do you like playoff production? Is Kelsey receiver or tight end? Was he receiver that lined up as a tight end or was he actually tight end? Well, so here's the thing amongst receivers and tight ends. He has the most playoff everything. Yards, catches touchdowns except for Jared.

26:05He was great. But my question now for in 2026, especially after watching last year. Yeah. Any got married? Like I just, why is this he got married thing all of a sudden? Well, I don't know. He didn't hurt him on the field. It's planning a wedding. It's got 1500 people there. Did you get to go to the wedding? Well, that's done. That maybe hurt him last year. Exactly. And argument as to why it's like you love. Were you there? You weren't there. I didn't. No, I didn't say that. I should do to you what you did to Zach. No, I didn't go. I wasn't there. Um, the, but let me ask you, your argument is planning the wedding is a drag. Let me agree with that. I'm just saying he's moving off his shoulders. He's right. That's good. He's got more time. That's the one to play football. Really? That's the idea. I don't want to play football. I don't think he doesn't want to play football. I think his wife wants him to play football. I think this is Kevin Wilde's take. That Taylor, that Kevin Wilde's take is life is high school. And Taylor Swift in high school was, you know, the band girl or what it like.

27:08Right. Didn't, it didn't have, you know, drama classes. Yeah. All those things. And so there was a part of her that always wanted, you know, to date the football star. And now she's an adult. And she's like, I can date the football star. And they fell in love. And so the, when people like Taylor is going to, Taylor is going to want him to retire. Wilde's take is meant, no, the opposite. She wants him to keep. She loves sitting in the seat. She loves, yes, she loves seeing her, her husband. Now. I was reminded of one of the great Kevin Wilde's takes. I was at dinner with Dave Jacobi two weeks ago. Oh, yeah. And why one of Wilde's is saying, you know, when people order and like you order, like whatever, like a smash burger, you know, the strip steak, whatever. And then the other person at the table or the two people were like, they don't want to get the strip steak because you just ordered it. So like, I'll get the chicken instead. And Wilde's is like, I actually want order whatever one else ordered because then we

28:09can talk about the order because we're both eating it. And it's a body experience. We both have the chicken. We're eating the chicken. And we're like, is this chicken delicious? It sure is. And he thinks it brings people closer together and that whenever it has different orders, it keeps people apart. It's a classic wild steak. He has a lot of restaurant takes. He really does. He walks more towers. He walks more things. He's all about towers. Yeah, when Wilde has it, if you ever have the first things first restaurant, it will just be all towers. So what is interesting about KW is he is, so he has all these great, you know, he's this mag, oh, you know what, forget this. I'm going to do, he's going to be so mad at me. Please, anything that embarrasses him before the NFL season, I'm in. I can't believe I'm going to tell this story on the air. The most popular podcast in the world. Because he doesn't really do group dinners with us.

29:11He's like, I spend more time talking to you guys than my wife. I don't need more time. He's just like a cat. He just jumps on your lap when you don't expect it. And then he's gone for three weeks. And I think Wilde is in the garage. I feel like that's the, is it wilds and Paul George now? You've got to have a career. Well, just like, as a cat. Yeah, they're both cats. But like three years ago, four years ago, there was a dinner that he had no choice but to go to because the bosses were in from LA. Right. So we all go to dinner. Dinner goes a little later than usual. I think there's, you know, maybe one extra cocktail and then, you know, coffee, a real long good dinner. The type of thing I love, but Wilde's usually out on. Can I guess where this story is going before you finish it? Yeah. Because he is the king of the Irish. Goodbye, Kevin Wilde's. So he did that. He did that at a different dinner years later, which is we all ordered dessert. And then he was like, I'm going to use the restroom.

30:11And then he came back to restrooms like guys. He just said he was like, I don't have to stay for a while. I'm going to take a break for this, right? Just look, but that's not it. This one he did stay. Okay. And I used to, I used to smoke the occasional cigarette or two. And so I, we're out of time. But I have to wear a seatbelt. Fine. Great take. Great take. We're outside. And I don't know how, but I peer pressure wilds. I'm like, come on, man. I was like, have a cigarette with me. It'll be good bonding. Oh, they came in. I have every so often. So he smokes half a cigarette. Half. Okay. Gets his Uber to, you know, he lives in Westchester County, I'll call it. It's a long drive from mid-de�. Yeah. Halfway through the Uber ride, that cigarette's not sitting well with him. Oh, no. Make the Uber driver pull over so he can throw up from the cigarette. He's gotten so soft. His whole day.

31:12Not even from drinking. It was from the half cigarette. Oh, the half of the cigarette. And that's where he hasn't smokeful and since he's. He has since. This does not surprise me because wilds was always destined to be an older guy who's going to be grossed out by half cigarette. Oh, that was one of his destinies. Oh, man. This is great. This is great. All right. He's all in though. He thinks the paths are going to beat up on the sea ox Wednesday night. I actually think I said this last night, there's a there a live dog tomorrow night to pay unless they trade Christian Gonzalez for two first round pass. So to sum up before we go the mailbag, Alan is the consensus best quarterback in the league. But I don't think anyone feels awesome about it. I think it's a it's the 1999 NBA MVP version of that. And when I said last year, I thought he was the best cubie in the league. I just felt like I really felt like he was the most consistent at that position.

32:15And there had been some slippage with my homes. And this is why the my home thing is so interesting going forward. It's like, how is he going to basically elevate himself the second part of his career? Like Brady did because Brady's second half of his career was better than his first half of his career. Just what no doubt for all the different reasons is my home is going to be able to do that. Or did we already see the peak? I think is is the sneaky most interesting question of the season. Other than what's going to go on the ramps. So I and what I listen, I think the chiefs are going to be good. I I also think the media is much further down on them than the odds makes. Like you see a lot of they are it's almost surprising. Yeah. When you see someone in the media picked them to win the division, I might be the only person who picked them to win the Super Bowl. They have the fifth best odds. They have a total of 10 and a half. They're the favorites in the AFC West. So Vegas and the media fan sentiment is misaligned there. The interesting thing about here's what I will say is using the Brady come.

33:18If my homes has a year this year that is similar to Brady and O9 is first year back from the ACL. The overreactions will be the general consensus will be he is the king is back. Yeah. No, no, the opposite. I'm Brady and O9 wasn't great. I'm talking about the Brady. That's a good that year. It was just the team was like great in 2010. No, it's not always good. It was the O9 team just wasn't good. That was there too slow. There's a bunch of different reasons for it. So I just the if my homes has a great statistical year, then I think we'll be right back to where we're supposed to be. But if he's looks different coming off the ACL, even if like you've said, it's a two year injury. It's whatever the overreactions will be massive. And there's, you know, people are so eager to make this Justin Herbert thing happen. If God forbid, if the chief slip and the chargers actually do something, which won't happen,

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36:25We're going to have cigarette. We're ready to do some no back. Shout out to the K band. These are all actual questions. You can send in questions to BS podcast 33 at gmail.com. I got a lot of clippers questions and then group them all together and I figured you'd want to do them with me. Love it. What's more fun than the Cooper story? All right. First one is from Lance from Detroit, now in LA. He says Steve Balmer is the richest guy in the NBA. He's out of picks, but he's never going to be out of money. Why not go scorched earth on the second apron, spend a billion dollars on payroll for the next couple of years. The fans are rightful angry now, but if you go all into when they will forgive you, he says this would be the sports version of one of my favorite moves. He calls marrying the nanny. When you not only commit the biggest mistake you ever made, you then embrace it. Ethan Hawking Rob Williams, both had a fair suit. They're nanny and married them. Both men are still beloved. Gavin Rostale, Jude Law, many others slept with the nanny and left them and are pretty fucking far from beloved.

37:26Steve Balmer needs to marry the nanny and go over the second apron. I love marrying the nanny. It's one of the best things anyone said in a while. I, yeah, I mean, I've never heard it phrase like that. That's brilliant by the writer. But he got my got me thinking immediately. I do, it is interesting that the most punitive parts of the second apron and the thing that in theory, teams are most afraid of is that we will freeze your picks seven years out. So the clip, but it's not there. What is that? Small window. I'm like, don't believe yourself. We don't have a pick seven years out. Right. Like so. You don't want to have the same roster movement. It's like, we're fucked anyway. Right. So that I do wonder if he could in the short term, like hedge his financial advantage in order to acquire, like what would be the way to do this?

38:27Acquire players whose contracts are underwater. And then like will he take on bad contracts to get his attached to them? I think that's what you have to do if you're. So that's what Brooklyn did when they finally eventually figured out what to do. And they did like the Dean's old Russell trade got some picks in there. Like if the Philly thing does a go well coming out of the gate or a bead gets hurt, maybe that's part of what you do is you. You like you've been ready to trade and bead since the moment they got Lebron. I mean, he played you for the games of year. Like I think it's a fair conversation. Yeah. I'm right now. He can play the 10 games in a row. Yeah. Well, that's, I don't know if you have Philly mail back questions. There's, but so I won't. So you're down with Steve Marin the nanny and basically just spending crazy amounts of money the next couple of years. If he can, absolutely. I think that's what he's got to do. I also think he owes that to the fans because I think your, was it you that said he should

39:29have had the option sell the team or take the penalty? Yes. Yeah. I think that was. Or should have said that publicly, we gave him the option Doré or Dorby because that would have even crippled him even more, ball. I don't say this to kiss your ass. I thought that was one of the smartest, like individual opinions I heard on this whole thing because it is true that he is, he is the villain here. He is the person that authorized all of this. Like he is, he gave the, he still claims he didn't. I think they might see. They might end up suing and like they're still adamant. They didn't do anything despite the 36 page report that painstakingly spells out all the things they did. Well, certainly, I guess my point is, let's assume the clipper that the NBA is correct, that the clippers did do all this. It wasn't done without his knowledge. Like it wasn't Lawrence Frank do it like he, he, I'm going to believe the NBA that he greenlit it. Well, can you imagine how mad he would be if he knew nothing about any of this?

40:32Right. It wouldn't be, it would be five. You would have fired those people a year ago. And so I do think though that saying to the owner, hey, you're like we are going to destroy your ability to compete unless you sell the team. So make a decision is about yours, about the fans, make a decision. I think that would have been really interesting. They obviously didn't go that way. It also does is this is like, I don't know, you have more clippers, mail back questions. So let me keep going. From Clay Grossman, why can't Bomber just show up to the home games and pay the fines? He has enough money and he'll sue if they try to take any more money from him. It's not going to be thinking, what if, what if he did show up to the games, but he was wearing one of those like, remember when Michael Jackson got really crazy and was wearing those disguises when he was at concert tours? Yeah. He's going out in public, but he would have this like elaborate, elaborate thing on.

41:33And so people would have recognized him in public and he could go to a mall. What if Bomber just did that and we're sitting on games that's like, man, that guy's kind of built like Steve Balmer, but he's an acting like bomber. The problem is I don't think we would snap. No, there's no, there's never been an NBA fan ever that acts like Steve Balmer. True. This giant guy, no matter what the disguises acting like Bomber, you'd know it was him. You'd have to be heavily sedated, I think. I do really, I do wonder what the mechanism is if Bomber's like, I'm guess who owns the arena? I do. Guess who pays the security, guess who all this or what, what is the NBA going to do to keep me out of the arena? If Bomber actually says, I'm going to call your blood, not even a bluff, but I'm going to start showing up. I don't know what the league would do. How far could he push it to be like, well, you're already screwed me anyway. So let's keep going. I'm going to ask you. Yes. Because I do think that if you power ranked the punish, like if you, let me ask you this,

42:41if the NBA was like, okay, you can take a white out. If kids don't know what white out is, right? It does. I'm not a racer. Yeah. Um, to one of these punishments, would he, and it's like, you can either get two of the five first round picks back, we'll give you two of them back, or we'll remove your band, which one is he getting rid of? Like I bet the band heard him all, like maybe not as much as the five first round picks. Yeah. Okay, you can pick the punishment. Five first round picks, stripped and you're not banned or three first round strips picked and you are banned. I think you'd be like, uh, we'll, we'll do, I said that backwards, but you know what I mean? Yeah. I think the band and not being able to go to the games is the most is about as harsh as the arena that he built that he planned for four years and built this little palace.

43:45And he haven't been, but it is pretty sick, right? It's pretty good. It's a real home court advantage. It's pretty great. And now it's going to be a mark. These two, these two emails are together. I want to read them both and then we can discuss the first one is from Patrick Cummings. He, uh, he asked for a conspiracy bill on this one. ESPN came out with a report that the NBA didn't find any smoking gun in the clippers and the punishment will be next to nothing. This in turn made two forms of talking head takes. Number one, Pablo Torre looks bad. Number two, the commissioner is weak and the NBA is afraid of their richest owner. Well, what happens? A report comes out four weeks later, they publish it. The punishment comes out. It is the largest in league history. Now the talking heads are saying ESPN looks bad and Pablo is owed an apology. But couldn't both ESPN and Pablo have been correct at the time of the reporting? I believe what happened is the NBA was going to go soft on the clippers. It got leaked and the outrage caused them to go in the opposite direction. Basically, ESPN and Pablo were correct and the league changed it.

44:48So that's one theory. Then the other one is from Ian Wager to Winnipeg, uh, also for conspiracy bill. My friend John thinks the NBA released that bogus clips punishment report to ESPN to gauge the public backlash they decided to be leaning on the clippers. When social media went crazy about it, they decided to go hard on it. What does conspiracy bill think? Um, I'll give you my, I have really strong thoughts on this, but I'll let you take the floor first. I mean, I think that and listen, I am, I'm not against, you know, the occasional poking fun at Pablo Tore. I'm not even against, you know, someone occasionally being a little, you know, everybody has their smugness limit and some people have different levels. With that said, I never thought the ESPN report made Pablo look bad. I thought that even if that ESPN report was true, it, it's totally to me was possible

45:50that everything Pablo reported was accurate. And the NBA was simply going to look the other way. So I didn't look at that ESPN report as, oh my God, Pablo screwed this up. It was pretty clear. Pablo's information all along was accurate. Like he wasn't the, and so that, I, to me, the question was whether or not the NBA was going to take it as seriously as they did. I read that ESPN report as they, they were fed information by the clippers and that the, and when they asked the NBA about it, the NBA didn't confirm or deny and they went with it. And I think that was, again, that's just my gut feeling. And that was obviously a massive mistake, but that wasn't like lightly sourced. We had multiple bylines on it, including Ramona, who's a real reporter, Don Van Nadeau, who's a real investigative reporter. And that was, it was a little stunning that they would, and backstreet homes, backstreet

46:56homes, I forgot, who's, it's a really good investigative reporter too. So what's your take? I'm curious. I don't even think this is a take and this is not conspiracy bills take. This is my take and I think I'm right. I think they were very close to a settlement. And I think the clippers knew they were close to a settlement. And I think what was going to happen was the punishment was not going to be nearly as bad as it was. And they were hammering out all the details. And the clippers felt like they were going to be home free. And instead of just waiting until the settlement, they wanted to start pushing and changing the narrative sooner than the settlement, they pushed the ESPN story. There's no question, right? The ESPN story comes out, but the settlement wasn't done yet. And I think the league and Adam Silver flipped out. And I will always believe that's what happened. I think when that story came out, I think Adam Silver was like, you motherfuckers. Like we've just been trying to figure this out for the last, however many months.

47:57And you're going to do that? Well, the settlement's off. And then through the hammer and I feel like, I feel like where this was headed was, they got in trouble with, they did something similar with the Andre Jordan in 2015, which was way, way, you know, way less big of a deal is one thing and they got slapped in the hand. They got fine. And they were going to push this as the, maybe the report never gets published. This is their second offense. We investigated this. There was a lot of stuff, but there was no smoking gun. And I really think that's what happened. I'm not, I'm not reporting that. If you aggregate that, I'm not reporting that. I'm sure that is my theory for what happened. I think they thought they had a settlement. And I think once they did what they did, I think the NBA was like, okay, fuck you guys. So a couple of things because I can add to that in real time, just again, just my gut feeling. But just to clarify, so you're under that line of thinking, had they reached a settlement,

49:00there's never a public report. I don't think so. I don't know that I'm just guessing because you can't release that report and not think the clippers didn't do it, right? So, correct. That's what I was going to say. You couldn't have a slap on the wrist and then like, here's the report. Right. So they would have had to give either a sanitized or a much shorter version of it. So here's what I wonder because I'm trying to figure out if they were that close to it, you know, a settlement, a favorable settlement settlement. Why would the clippers leak this to ESPN? Because they're dumbasses, they shouldn't have done anything. They should have just waited till the settlement came out. So that what I was wondering is, if these penalties are a nine out of 10 and the settlement was going to be a four out of 10 and the clippers were pushing for a two out of 10,

50:00did they leak it to try to show the NBA? People don't give a shit. Like if it's reported that we didn't get because what I saw as the reaction to that ESPN report was a lot of people talking shit to Pablo. Not a lot of people outrage the clippers might get away with it. So did they leak it to try to show the NBA? Look, people don't care. They think this happens all the time or whatever it is, but the NBA's reaction was it gold by the fact that they would try to front run whatever settlement or agreement. I mean, that's my theory. I think that is what I would bet happened. And I think I also think all the Pablo podcasts, I think probably drove the clippers a little bit crazy too, that this was just every time this died down, it would happen again. I still feel like I probably used hyperbole when I was saying I thought the Dodger story was a thousand times bigger. But I do think the Dodger story was way bigger because that's one two world series.

51:04That changed the entire landscape of baseball and is going to lead to a lockout. Ultimately, what did this clippers thing really change? Like they won two playoff series with Kauai, right? It was more incompetence versus like the Dodgers thing actually shifted the sport. Well, the Dodgers thing also, the other reason I agree with you that I think the Dodgers thing is a potentially far bigger deal is the Dodgers thing also might have real implications not exaggerating it on the American economy, right? Like there's a possibility that that was like the Canary and the coal mine of like, wait, hold on. How much of these businesses are being propped up through what's supposed to be super safe insurance money. Yeah. And if there's, you know, if we assume Mark Walter isn't the only person in that line of work that is doing these types of things like is there, is that something that if you keep peeling away at, you're going to have major, major problems across a wildly important

52:09sector of the economy. Because that people worried about that. That like transcends the sports piece of it. But here's the thing and you hit on this a bit, but this is the clippers piece that I don't want to say I'm most interested in, but I feel like my interest level has the biggest difference between how much people are discussing it and where my interest is. Yeah. Why is a huge villain in this? And so the quiet litter trade and transaction now goes down as the single worst transaction in the history of the sport. In order to quiet, wouldn't come if you wouldn't give up get Paul George instead of just waiting a bit and you give up five first round picks and Shay. And now it now got worse. Right. And now and evidently, he also wouldn't come for the maximum. You had to find extra ways to pay him money. I almost would feel a little differently if it was, if Kauai had taken like the mid level

53:12and they're like, we'll make up the money on the back end because he wanted to build some super team. But it's like, no, I want the maximum and then some. And he, and he, you know, listen, people can, he was new balanced, whatever he really did put his chin out there on the king of LA. Hey, LeBron, I'm the best player in the league. I'm running this ad campaign. I'm taking your town with this whole thing. And then the only time they made the conference finals was when he got hurt. And he got her in the previous round. You know, and it was the return on investment on he, he tore his ACL while playing for them and skipped Bayless knew before the Clippers knew. Skip reported that book like his, his lack of commitment to that team availability. Plus at the very least, just allowing Uncle Dennis to run ramp rough shot. But it's hard for me to believe he wasn't at least somewhat aware of that.

54:14And the lack of communication too where they just, I mean, this was years and years of them being like, yeah, we don't know. We don't know anything that's going on with this guy. We don't know when he's going to show up, not show up. We don't know if he's healthy. I have more co-wired stuff. So save that because I want to keep going from bow and the LBC. Do you think you, Waza House, we'll select your Clippers, season tickets and next year's worst NBA contract strapped? I think it is eligible. I didn't, it's not as bad as Joel and Bid, but it's bad. You mentioned Uncle Dennis. Caleb and Tucson wants to, wants to know if you exclude every NBA player, employer owner is co-wired Uncle Dennis, the biggest off the court villain in NBA history. Because he basically demolished the Cooper's franchise for almost a decade and a half. I still think it's Tim Donahine. Well, yeah, I'm trying to think of who else, because that was, you were like every player owner or it's basically all NBA.

55:15Basically non-player, non-front office person, non-owner, which rules out sterling and some other classics are retired players eligible. Because if so, Enis Canner's rising up that fucking list pretty quick, but that's a separate thing. That's a good one. The outer embarrassment. But yeah, I mean, Donahine is an all time one. Also, like for he's changed his story. I did a podcast a couple years ago about this. Like he's just a pathological liar about even what he did when he wrapped. And I think he's been so damaging that some people, you know, because people believe fake news shit. I also had the piston sky through the bear run our test might be up there. That's a good John Green. The start the melee change. Of course, the O5 playoffs, because you could argue the Pacers might have the best team that year. And then David Falk, I do feel like Jordan's agent in the 90s, who just got too much power

56:17and too much influence. And that all led to the 99 lockout and some really damaging contract stuff. And he just flew too close to the sun as an agent. So I would those would be three people I thought up. But maybe there's more. That's a good list. Go ahead. This year, you're going to love this one from Wally. Conspiracy Bill is needed based on the 35 page report. It feels like there was often haggling between Balmer and Uncle Dennis about if Balmer was getting enough endorsement money to pay. Do we have dates on those correspondences? Is it possible? Many of Kauai's prolonged injury absences happen because him and Uncle Dennis weren't happy about the money they were promised that they weren't getting. You got to admit, when all this came to light and was being investigated magically, Kauai was as healthy as he's been in 10 years. His two healthiest clippers years were the first year in the last year when the scheme was exposed. Do you think he withheld playing services from the clippers during certain points of his Cooper career because he wasn't happy about the side money? What do you say conspiracy bill?

57:19I get that is an all time great. Pretty good. That's a great conspiracy bill question. And I am, I am comfortable saying if the dates, if we were to get those dates, and they lined up, I would just flatly believe that's what was happening. Me as well. Like that's a great email. This has been covered a little bit already, but Matt asked wants to know if Kauai just goes back to Toronto in 2018. They won the title. He's the best part in the world. He's playing with Larry, Van Ville, Ciacum, Anonobi's coming on. Marcus Alstow there, Sergio Baca. Does that change the course of 2020? And does LeBron not get the fourth one? Yeah, listen, you and I feel very differently about the 2020 NBA season. Before COVID shut everything down, the Lakers were the best team. There was LA LA Milwaukee were the three best teams. Yes, the, but I think the Lakers had a better, I know they had a better record

58:23than the clippers. I'm not sure about their record versus the box. LeBron and AD, that was, you know, the Brown was awesome. The Brown was awesome. The mayor. LeBron was unreal. Yeah. And then in the bubble, they were, I understand it was the bubble, but they had earned home court. So they don't get, it's be one thing if they were like the seven seed that took advantage of the fact that they didn't get happily road games. They were the homes, they were the number one seed. And they annihilated everybody. They, they, you know, they, they went, people, I remember, they were like, oh, that Portland teams dangerous, gentlemen sweep, that rockets team. It was never really going to work, but Russ and Harden were working. Like that team was actually. They just demolished them demolished them. And the clippers immediately got the fuck out of Dodge. They didn't want to be in the bubble at all. The clippers, the clippers were up three, one on Denver and up big in all those games and just gave off. Well, the clippers were the ones when they had the vote. The clippers were the ones like, yeah, we'd like to vote to leave. I think it out there. And Lou Williams stopped by the strip club to get the chicken wings.

59:25So he had to miss time. So I think that LeBron and the Lakers were, I think the more interesting, what if they, they sound like why related is if Solomon Hill doesn't fall into Braun's ankle the next year when they were again, I think they had the second best record in the West. Yeah. What does that championship defense look like? And more importantly, does that then prevent them from ever trading for Russ? And do we have an entirely different LeBron in the Lakers era? It's hard to like, well, what's incredible is that's probably the number one LeBron injury. What if? I mean, he said, it's partly because of how much work he puts in and the fact that he's a super freak, but it's just said no injuries ever. Well, that's what I was about to say. And I was about to say, and I was playing a Zankel in 58 in the finals. That was the only finals he lost. He's playing on one leg against Bob Pettit. The, so it was, it's hard to be like, oh man, LeBron got unlucky with that injury when

1:00:25he's played a quarter century. And it's the only unlucky injury. Like how many times? How, like he avoided. I'm saying, I said this a couple of weeks ago, his unluckyest thing ever was Orlando just being on a heater in that 2009 series. That's like, you go back nine and nine. He was unbelievable. I thought it was like 35, 99. No, it's 38, it was 38, 99, yeah, it was over. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, not 30 dash. He was all the way. And Orlando was just on a team heater. No, I just, you just have a bunch of, you know, Haydou Turk, Lunar, Shard, Louis, and nobody, it skipped to my Lou, nobody can miss. That was a, that was an unbelievable one. I, you mentioned, yeah, too many most quick James and Chicago. He said, Kawaii burn the clipper ship down with everyone still aboard. Bomber Uncle Dennis gone, nobody saw coming by the time we blanked, the limpa was gone. He was already in Canada. Kawaii is actually Kawaii's or Sozee, is it he? That's for James and Chicago.

1:01:26I love Kawaii's or Sozee. That's what we have to call him from that one. So is he, so we cut because he's back in Toronto dropping the coffee cup slow motion, does Kawaii now have a chance? All right, so here's my question. Also going back to the only place that likes him. So that's why I was going to ask. Yeah. More likely to have a statue in a city, Kawaii Leonard or Kevin Durant. Kawaii Leonard, 100 times. Durant's messed that up 19 times and just since he left. Right. Like, no, I didn't hear it recently about. Oh, Durant. Durant doesn't have a city. I still feel like there's a Seattle move for him. That was his, but he's got to stick around. Maybe there's a team USA headquarters in Colorado, wherever it is. Maybe he can get one there. That he's too good of a player not to have a statue, but I don't know what city's putting

1:02:30it up. Max K wants to know what if Kawaii is the one who ultimately gave the NBA everything. This relationship with the Clippers was over. Toronto is next. If the investigation put him in real jeopardy, contract void, it's suspended. Toronto Trig gets frozen. And what if he decided why am I protecting the Clippers? You know, Dennis knew more about what if he realized the writing of the numbers on the wall? I think this belongs in the Bill Simmons conspiracy theory hall of fame. Basically he was the whistleblower. He was deep throat. Talk about this last week, but I do think it's in play. So I don't think he had to be the whistleblower. I think he simply had to say, I won't fight it like the, I will basically cop to all of this, which he did in his statement. He just said it wasn't him. It was the people around him. And you talked it out last week. The NBA needed desperately, the players association to not fight this.

1:03:32And which means Kawaii had to be okay with it. So Kawaii oddly had a lot of leverage in what he was willing to and not willing to accept. And he wants to income out the big winner. And I do find, I think one of the funniest parts of the punishment is that instead of giving Uncle Dennis a lifetime ban, they clearly had a meeting and they were like, all right. What's the longest Kawaii's career is going to keep going? Because we're pretty confident that what Kawaii is out of nobody. Nobody else is sorry, Uncle Dennis. And Uncle Dennis is client list is down to zero. I heard what was what was looking at him. In the stages. It's a big local dentist in F S wood. Yeah. And so I, so I thought, yeah, I mean, I don't know that Kawaii had to like give him a bunch of stuff. It seems like they had it. I just think he had to be like, yeah, I'm like, as, so wait, let me just make sure I'm

1:04:33quiet. Let me make sure I have this right. Everyone else gets crushed and you're taken for me 700,000. But I get my contract for this year and I get to go to Toronto. I get my contract. You guys have on, you know, on the record, I made us essentially 50 times what my fine is. Yeah. You know what? I'm okay with that. No problem. Honestly, this was the peak of player empowerment era. We thought it was like the decision or LeBron going back to Cleveland or to rank on and go and say, this was it. Kawaii just running a mock, making all this extra money and then escaping Scott free to Toronto. Reconaig I would drink. You're a little bit more comfortable. Last one. How long do you think the clip or curse were last and what do you, what do they have to do to make it happen? Make it go away from a karma standpoint from Josh from Fort Wayne, Indiana. I honestly think I don't see, I think they have to move and I don't, maybe, maybe out of the country, like maybe they're the first London team. Like, maybe they just need a new country.

1:05:33Maybe they need a new continent. I don't know if there's anywhere at work, sir. Maybe they have to merge with somebody else. I just, now we're going to the 2030s. They've lost so many of their fans. People are so mad about this that now there's a backlash against the people that are mad about this where the die hard. It's like, hey, this is going to stick with your team. It's like, no, you don't. This team's a train wreck. You don't have to stick. I got to tell you, listen, and I made, I don't feel like there was enough. Again, this is going to sound very self-congratulatory. But I think you and I are two of the only people that really laid out that this just nuked the next decade of the Clippers, that they're next, they're best hope at building a competitive team. If these penalties stay unchanged, their best hope is around 2036. Like they need, so it's 10 years in the wilderness.

1:06:35It is the NBA version of the SMU death penalty. It's like you're just finished. Yeah, because you're never getting a free agent, never because you have no future. You're nothing to trade. You're never getting a free agent. You augment the good guys you have. And by the way, guys don't hit free agents. The only, like guys, so the old, the first round picks are used to either find your next star or to trade for your next star. You don't have them. So you're just nuked until 2036. Like the next great Clipper other than Wagler, honest to God is probably right now nine years old. So like that's like that's the world that we're in. Yeah, you have to basically copy the Brooklyn model, which they, they belatedly started figuring out what to do. And from 16, 17, 18, 19 knowing they were working out the picks, but they basically tried to pave the way to get to that to rank Kyrysummer and then bet on the wrong guys.

1:07:36Right. But yeah, maybe that's the Brooklyn model, which is because we talked about them marrying the nanny and going over the second apron. They could also go the other way and basically spend one dollar more than whatever the floor is. So basically be as bad as you possibly can be. Make those and bead type trades to try to get more draft picks and really try to bottom out because nobody's going to care about them or think they have a chance anyway. So here's the other thing that I is maybe interesting only to me, but I'm curious about and I don't think anyone's reported it with the new lottery system. I don't want them to have to redo the math and remove the Clippers from the draw like let's say the Clippers in the lottery from the draw. So they were one of the bottom three teams. They'd have two balls, but they don't have a pick. So the other the next three teams basically would be the right. But that's not what I want. What I want is for them to do even though they don't have a pick, they are still there

1:08:39still a lot. So so they actually have to see it out. It's like you play it out. And if they have the fourth pick then at the like it's picks one, two, three, or grab this. Sebo pick. I like this. Fourth pick is vacated and we go to the fifth pick. And then you can really see what picks were taken. But I do wonder in all seriousness, if there is a world where in three years the NBA essentially or in two years or at some point brings to Balmer what your suggestion was, which is listen, the market for these teams is outrageous. If you sell the these penalties are gone like the the new owner like the and we can try to bring some of the fans back. I don't seem doing it. He's got a lot of money. He's got a lot of success. He's got a lot of money. I do feel like he doesn't feel like he was that involved with whatever bad things happen.

1:09:40If he maybe trusted the wrong people, maybe add people like Jillian Zucker telling him, no, no, everybody in the league does this. It's not just us and just it was a lot of unforced errors, but the intent was there in the way it seems. So I don't know. You want to do a couple more mail back questions? Yes, please. All right, we're going to take one more break and then do it. Fandals making this year most rewarding season ever with boost promos, a new rewards club bringing the teaser back and so much more. So they wanted me to do a same game parlay for Pat Seahawks. And I was looking at this one just for fun. AJ Brown, he's got a score. Touchdown in the first game. Come on. They'll go out of their way to make this happen. AJ Brown touched down. I'm bumping the Pats up to four and a half because I think this is going to be a close game, but I want to buy myself either the field goal or they lose by four or they win, but Pats plus four and a half and then the under 51 and a half because I think the defenses

1:10:43will be further ahead of the offenses. Pat is plus of 452. So if you like it, go ahead and place this SGP on the Fandal app and don't forget to also place Fandals super boost for the game during your most rewarding season ever. It's coming. All right, couple more mail back questions. Max M. from St. Abarba is a diehard commanders fan and he said after the LSU season, DeSace with J. Daniels, is this the most pressure QB has ever had to get to six wins? Because if J. Daniels fails to get there, if he's at four, if he stuck at five, the jokes and the memes will be out of control. I'm not saying it's going to be a distraction, but I'm hesitant to say it won't be nothing. That's from Max. So it's pretty good. So if they're like five and 10, the jokes are starting. Yeah, the jokes are starting and I and that team I expect to be really bad. Me too. And I have a general, I don't know why there wasn't sorry Joe House.

1:11:49Why I was one of the lone voices in the media that going into the draft with him was simply I was playing one note and it's a boring note and it's kind of a bad take strategy because when you're proven right, you don't get to celebrate it. Right. And I think that's because this guy is too skinny. And I don't think he can hold up and I am, I put him in the same bucket, but well, riskier one that I put chat in when chat was coming in and I read this long ESPN profile and they're like, listen, chat works out all the time and eats a billion calories. And I came over and I'm like, now I'm more concerned. If you told me like the guy, the guy's is eating Doritos and he's not on a good, you know, regiment fine. But what you're telling me is he can't gain weight. Jayden is coming off a year where he missed games four separate times for three separate

1:12:52injuries. And he has the same frame. Like if you, it's just and I don't think he doesn't. I've been saying this for two years too. It makes me too nervous. He's too skinny. I get nervous about Drake Bay, who's 40 pounds bigger than him. But he's, I don't like he is just too skinny. And the fact that we're now into year three and he hasn't bulked up, it is a huge concern. The fact that they can't fix the offensive line. Like I think that, that loss. Well, and then they lost their left tackle who is their best, I'm the best. Toss of Towers, Tyson, Tyson, Tyson, I had a bunch. We did the futures draft last night. I had multiple Washington bets. What unders adjusted unders. Jeffrey G and Marina Del Rey said the Niners opened the season in Australia where prostitution is legal and their legal brothels all over the cities. What if Jed York was visiting East Palestine, Ohio's his own personal training camp? Was he just trying to get in game shape to open the season stronger to Australia? I got to say, I didn't know that there were legal brothels all over the place in Australia.

1:13:57I don't know. I'm so happy there. I didn't know that either. I don't ever. I'm in a rock in place. I've been to New Zealand. I have not been to Australia. I do think you guys talked about this yesterday. I do, I am really fascinated by the different approaches in. Oh, we have, oh my God. It is, it is, I mean, listen, I flew nonsense. This is the number one storyline of the year. However this plays out is going to be amazing because I got this, I got another email from somebody who does a lot of long fights who was saying that San Francisco is actually going to be in the long term more trouble because when you stay far away from where you live for too long, when you come back, you're screwed up for weeks. So he's like, the Rams are going to lose this game. But in the long term will be better. The Niners are going to win the game, but be fucked up for two months. So I, so I think that's super plausible.

1:15:00So I have, I have taken what is I think the second longest nonstop flight that is offered. I have flown New York nonstop to Auckland, New Zealand. Wow. So that is 18 and a half hours. And it is a real mind death in that like, get on the plane. Have a couple cocktails, take an ad bill PM, sleep deeply. Yeah. Six hours, wake up, watch a movie. And it's like, oh, we got 10 hours. Yeah. And so the, so I understand, you know, that there isn't necessarily an exact right way to do this, but I do find it super fascinating that the Rams, because it's not just the, I can't imagine if right after that flight, the next day, I was flying again. That's the other piece of it. The other piece of it is post game, like they're going to spend 36 of 60 hours on a plane.

1:16:07It's one of the rare stories I can't get enough of. Like, Dana White had a whole thing about how he's solved flying because he has to fly a lot. And he was basically saying, you can't eat on an airplane. You just got to hydrate. You got to do all these different things. But once you eat food, it screws you up. So you got to basically fast when you're on the plane. I don't think that works for football players. I don't think that's going to be that much. Ben, Ben from Connecticut, this is a rewatchables question. In the Aliens podcast, you guys discussed a potential new award based on Bill Paxton's incredible character of Hudson. And I was saying it was more than a Dan Waders heat check because he's in the whole movie, but he's kicking us to the movie. He suggests the Scotty Pippin Award for the movie isn't winning any titles without this character. From Ben from Connecticut. I really like the Scotty Pippin Award. I think it's like, like, only a few movies would have to be like an iconic movie. A few good men. Few good men.

1:17:07So that would be Nicholson. Nicholson. Because he's only in the movie for like eight minutes. He's Scotty Pippin's the movie though. Yeah, I mean, there's, I mean, the two that come to mind immediately for me as far as two movies where someone is barely on screen, but is the reason you. But you can argue Nicholson's Deon Waders because he's only in the movie for like 15 minutes. This is more like, this is more like a sidekick. So like Kevin Bacon would be the Scotty Pippin in a few good men. Oh, that's a bad example. So do you have an ex, you've had more time to think about this than me? So do you have an example? Well, I just, in general, I like a Scotty Pippin Award because I think Scotty has really been struggling with his place in NBA, you know, history. I think I still think he's one of the best 30 to 35 players of all time. I think I have still in my top 30. And probably the most underappreciated superstar we've had because he was on the Jordan team. I think a good, sorry to interrupt. Not to do this, but the most under discussed season of my lifetime, his, like as far as

1:18:13looking back on it, the first no MJ season. Correct. Yeah. They went from 55 wins to 54 wins. Right. Easily could have made those finals. Yeah. And Scotty is just like Scotty is totally, he has just become for so many people younger than me. A, a, a, not even supporting actor, but like a tertiary character in Jordan story. Which I think, sure. Yeah. Good bugging and the money, of course, bugs him. But like it's, he was if, like if Michael Jordan never existed, I think Pippin would have still had a run as a top five or six player in the league for a couple of years. And but Steve Kerr. Steve Kerr said he was like one of the two or three greatest teammates he ever had. Everybody loved playing with them. He was completely on selfish. I would defend him forever. I think a good example is John C. Raleigh and Boogie Nights.

1:19:17So I am not the star. Oh, you haven't seen Boogie Nights. Uh, could also work, work in Freeman and Shawshank would be another Scotty Pippin. Oh, that's a great one. I was going to lead character, but it's just incredibly important. And one of the reasons that, you know, my, my Boogie Nights confession was going to be worse than I haven't seen it. But you don't like it. Because of your references, I finally literally like six months ago. It's like, I've got, and I love, I think there will be blood to the greatest movie ever made. So I love the, I love Paul Thomas Anderson. Yeah. So right around the time, um, the one battle after another came out, it's like, I got to see Boogie Nights. Yeah. I watched first hour and 20. And then I like had to leave to like go somewhere. I haven't gone back to it. I wasn't taken with it. I don't know. I know. I feel like this might be the final. It's going to get you. Give it, just keep coming. Keep testing that. Okay. Keep, keep coming back to it.

1:20:17Keep kicking it. All right. Do you care about two pox murder? Yeah. Of course. This from Jason P. He said, uh, I know you used to use picture me rolling as your intro, which was true. That was the first year of my post DSP and podcast. But we thought it's in the verdict this week. And I was always curious to know what two-puck album was your favorite. The answer is obviously all eyes on me, which came out February 96. Double album. I was going to say almost exactly 30 years ago. Yeah. It had a wrote down so I didn't forget all about you. How do you want it? Life goes on. California Love. Two of America's most wanted picture me rolling and I had mad at you. Double album, which was hugely important in the CD era. Yes. Especially if you had stuff in cars. The first side was better than the second side, but it was still like, it was like, it was like 25, 26 songs. And was this new era where people started being like, yeah, I'm just going to give you a bunch of shit. So when you're buying CDs back then, all you want is like three good songs.

1:21:19Like three or four, it's like a win for $15. You get double album. It's like $22 and there's seven good songs. It's like, you fit the jackpot. So anyway, this is what life was like with CDs. No, but I, the first gift I ever got from a girlfriend, girlfriend, I was in I think sixth grade, was the smashing pumpkins, melancholy and other sadness. Which was a double album. Yeah. This was the album. I'll start it. Right. And I'm a little, you know, the first hip hop CD I ever got was the P. Ditty album right after big. I killed. Yeah, I don't acknowledge that album. The, well, I just, that's, I never liked it. No, but go ahead. Sorry. The verdict. So this guy who finally got nailed for it, he thought he wasn't getting it nailed for the murder and just started doing interviews. I know.

1:22:20And it was like, he didn't understand. He must have thought there was some, I don't know what he thought, but all of a sudden he was going around just giving like basically to a podcast like, yeah, so here's what, and eventually it just got nailed. And now I was going to jail. He has to be one of the dumbest murderers we've had in awhile. Oh, we had never seen someone treat murder like the way we would talk about like, are the covers first. Yeah. But the way, the way you talk about like dumb shit you did in college that you know the statute of limitations is gone on. You know what I mean? Like I, I've talked a number of times about the fact that I right out of college was on who wants to be a millionaire and 150 grand. And they send you the whole check and you're responsible for the taxes. And I, you know, gambled a lot. And when the taxes were due, I had what I had and I paid what I thought I could and

1:23:23whatever. I, I say that knowing that was 20 years ago, I think I'm in the clear, maybe I'm not, I don't know, I think I'm fine. I can't imagine someone, you wouldn't talk about robbing a bank like that. This guy's doing my murder. Just like a, and it also gives you a really interesting window into the intoxicating glow of attention. Like this guy's like, I am. I'm going, I got away with the most famous murder ever, allegedly, or I do, I'm going to say, I'm going to say one more. Kip hop murder ever. Yes. Oh, yeah. Good point. Sorry. The, well, but it's also one of the most famous unsolved murders is what I, it also was conspiracy bill who's been around for a long time. Yeah. Mid-90s conspiracy bill was really, really something. And I had a lot of theories about this, including, including Diddy and Shug Nguyen doing it together because two pocket already served his purpose.

1:24:27Diddy want to get rid of them? Shug got all the royalties for whatever and that like conspiracy bill had lots of thoughts on this. How did this confession sit with conspiracy bills? I was a little disappointed because I really liked my Diddy Shug theory. I was like, it was, it was a no. Nathan from Appleton, Wisconsin, you're going to love this question. He just asked, how the hell did it take so long for Ben Simmons and the Sacramento Kings to find each other? And I was thinking perfect matches ever. Jeff George on the Raiders was great. Great. Bill Walton going to the Clippers when he was destined to have 30 foot surgeries. Perfect. Remember when the jail boys are drafted, Quintel Woods, right when they were already having so many problems. They were like, hey, there's a first round pick. Is it a dog fighting scandal? You're in. And then Brandon Weeden on the Browns, I wrote down too, was just a great one. When the Browns were really starting to seem like, oh man, this expansion era of the

1:25:30Browns has been really rough and then they spent a first round on him. Those are what's your favorite perfect match? Oh, just up top of your head. I didn't prep you. The right. So that is, I've got. It has to be a bad franchise. It could be a bad franchise. It could be a bad franchise. And somebody who maybe it doesn't have to be a bad franchise. Maybe it could be any franchise. I mean, I, I should have sent this one to you ahead of time. Can I give you a different take on this real quick? Yeah, I don't have a great answer. I really would have liked, and I'm not trying to take shots here. The guy works, does good work. And I understand he serves a purpose. But inside the mental negotiation, Shams had with himself on, when I announced this, I really have to put three time all star Ben Simmons as the qualifier. Oh, and they sent him what to say. Yeah.

1:26:30If you read the, if you read the Shams bomb, the Ben Simmons tweet, it's, it's three time all star Ben Simmons is signing with the Sacramento case. I'm like, man, I really don't think that is getting, you know, the requisite information across as to why he's available for the league minimum. I'm also stunned he wants to play. Stunned. But it's, so if you have to say overrunner for Ben Simmons has left the Kings or Ben Simmons is retiring from the Kings or Ben Simmons is asked for his release or whoever. Is it you, does he make it to opening day? So here's, yes, I think he makes it to opening day. And I would also argue if he makes it to Thanksgiving, he'll make it through the whole year. I think it's just, it's, it's the, the initial piece of it. And maybe it is, maybe he just playing in obscurity for that team is what in theory he needed.

1:27:33He's, he seemed to be pretty happy doing his fishing thing occasionally making fun of the Sixers like whatever it is. But I don't, I don't expect him to play when they play in Philly, which by the way, I didn't tell you when the Kings play in Philly, that's one of many games. All of them to surely be at as you're looking at a very proud Philadelphia 76 or season ticket holder bill Simmons. Since when? Since they signed LeBron James. Come on. Yeah, it's an hour and it's an hour and 42 minutes from my house. You going to be in the helicopter with them flat back? I'm not going to be in the helicopter. I have, I have mapped out the, the first things first to the Sixers Arena. And I'm really, I got to tell you, I, considering LeBron's teams have been eligible for 306 playoff games and LeBron has played in 306 of them. Your whole like, ah, well, you know, is you, you lump LeBron in with him beat on,

1:28:35is he going to be available for the playoffs? Yeah, he's not available. This is the last. He's ever seen this ever in the last three years. Those last three years, he's 22nd in the NBA in minutes. He's played more minutes in the last three years than Jalen Brown, I believe. He's available. LeBron's not an injury risk. He's available. This email is from Todd speaking LeBron. He's vacationing in Ocean City, New Jersey. They're always Philly player shirts for sale and Bid, Maxi, etc. This week, I walked in a t-shirt store and it was all LeBron, nobody else. I asked the guy at the counter where the Jalen Brown shirts his response, who? Tough start for JB. That's, that's your Ocean City update. And then here's another one speaking of going back and forth. If I was an NBA, this is from Adam. If I was an NBA superstar who lived in New York City but played in Philly, I would 100% rather have my own train. Or at least my own private train car that I could take back and forth instead of a helicopter.

1:29:35I do think there are legit benefits to LeBron having his own train. It would not be the standard Amtrak interior. He could have massage, stretching table, hot tub, ice bath. You named it. It's in there. I would love to be at a real world crossing and see the LeCabuse go by. That's a great take. He could get his own car. You knock out all the seats. Maybe it's just one train with the little thing in the front. Or, yeah, I mean, or maybe it's part of the regular train, but it's just like just the private car that's only for him. So it would have to be like the 1115 train back to New York City, but LeCabuse is on it. Exactly. He just on it. I love that. I don't know that I don't, I don't necessarily, I'm not as convinced as everyone else that he's living full time in New York City. No, he'll do what JJ did. JJ had JJ bought a place in Brooklyn because he had family and young children. And then I think he might have had an apartment in Philly,

1:30:36but he would drive back to Brooklyn. But then sometimes staying in Philly if they're, you know, he had to do either one. It's time for a new segment. It is called Greatest Place of All Time, brought to you by State Farm. We've witnessed some truly legendary plays throughout football history plays that can never be recreated because they're designed for that precise moment on the field. It's the same reason why State Farm helps personalize coverage. You need a plan designed to suit your unique situation. I kind of play this. So I'm a child of the 70s, the macro reception, which I was probably too young to be watching that game. And there was never the right camera angle for what happened. And Franco Harris picked up the ball that got bounced up in the air and runs for the touchdown. But that was like the first famous play I ever remember hearing about. I actually was watching the Hill Mary play at Roger Stodd back. To Drew Pearson in the Cowboys game. I think it was against the Vikings. And I think that was where they got the name of the Hill Mary from. But I do remember that one.

1:31:37And then I was there for the helmet catch. Sadly, that's one of the most famous plays ever. I think this single most famous play in the history of football is the Malcolm Butler interception because the Seahawks were about to win the Super Bowl. And then the Patriots won the Super Bowl. And it's one specific play that flipped the game. I still think that's the number one most famous play in the history of the league. Maybe I'm wrong. It was also the Patriots won the Super Bowl. So I hope I'm right. Anyway, when it comes to coverage, you need a game plan that fits your unique situation. State Farm takes the time to get to know you. So they can help personalized coverage for your life and budget. Like a good neighbor. State Farm is there. Okay, this is from CJ from Long Island. He said his group chat got into the bait over the movie The Mighty Ducks. Not about the quality of the movie itself. Which we can all agree is one of the greatest of all time. We couldn't figure out what was the most serious crime someone could commit

1:32:39where the judge waves jail time, looks you in the eye and says, I'm sent into you to head coach a P.W. hockey team. Is it tax abation, mid-level white collar, unsightly trading scheme, etc. Let's be honest, managing the group chat logistics, negotiating rotation minutes with angry finance dads, dealing with kids who bring goldfish crackers to the bench, etc. Are we sure one year at Rikers wouldn't be easier than two years of coaching nine year olds in a hockey team. I'm sure it's somewhere between drunk driving and domestic terrorism for the severity of the offense. What do you think the offense was? So I think the offense would have to be one, like I think anything that is considered like immorals the wrong word. But drunk driving, you're not like, I understand what you're coaching a hockey team after all. You're not coaching a hockey team. Any type of violence, they're not being like, listen, go go be around kids. So this is a financial penalty probably. It has to be a financial crime and it has to be,

1:33:40it almost would have to be like, embezzlement and part of your defense was like, I'm, you know, I have a family member that's sick and I'm trying to pay for their treatment. They have to feel like you're dead on committed the crime, but also you're not a bad guy. You're not needed. 40,000 dollars for a liver transplant. Yes, and so you just stoned stole it. But it was, you know, you felt, you didn't feel good about it. You felt bad. I think that's the end because Hardball did this too. Keanu ends up coaching that team because he had a rich friend who got slapped on the wrist and they told him he had to coach this team and he didn't want to do it. So he paid Keanu to coach the team. Oh, that's a hard ball and all-time classic. Never seen it. Isaac says we talk about certain types of players that became extinct in the NBA, like bruising, post-up power forwards, big body centers, etc.

1:34:43Shooting guards who can't shoot. With Russell Westbrook officially being retired, it got me wondering if this super explosive above the rim guard is now extinct. Derek Rose, John Wall, Baron Davis, Steve Francis, Westbrook, these aren't players that GMs want on a winning team anymore are these guards that think of the past. I used to call these guard zero guards because they weren't a one or two. And not zero, meaning they're bad players, just like they're not a one or two. Their guard who has the ball all the time, they're going to have a high usage rate and they're going to their field goal attempts to be up. Can this player work anymore in the NBA? So I have a controversial opinion on this. If they can't, then we need to change the rules. So you want more Russell Westbrook type players? I want less finesse shooting and less analytically inclined basketball and more.

1:35:44I'm the best fucking athlete out here and that's my dad's ball. Balls to the wall and I'm going to get my stats and this is what's going to happen. Right. And I end the the dunking piece is actually a big part of it. I like I people talk about Iverson and Westbrook and I understand why, but watching them play was very different because Iverson was entirely under the rim. And Russ was, you know, it is peak so much above the rim, which brings me to my favorite take of my own when it comes to the NBA, which is we have talked a ton about the three point revolution and I think you and I have talked about this before once already. And golds, berries, you know, let everybody draw their own line, different things. Yeah. And different things you can do. And my answer and I will bring it up again is dunks worth three. Dunks worth three fixes a lot of this. You can keep everything else the same.

1:36:45I've seen you do this one. It's a really good take. I'm proud of you. It's one of your best. I did it to you. I didn't even see me do it. No, but you've done it. This is in your, this is like, this is your sign felt. Why don't they make the play and out of the black box? I realized when I was halfway through it, I'm like, oh, shit, I already told Bill this. No, no, no, no, I was too deep. It's one of your best takes. I think you should read it. It just, I just don't, the point that I'm making is very simple. I, a big part of what I like watching about basketball is crazy athleticism. And I feel like under the analytically inclined era that we're in, that's less important than ever. You know what I mean? Like that is, and I don't, I don't think that is good for the sport. We're rewarding Sam Merrill and not Russell Westbrook. Yes. And I don't like that. That's the thing. I do think the creating your own three point line depending on what team you have.

1:37:45Because that's one of the coolest ideas ever. I was at Fenway Park last week. I know it's so fun. Yeah, which I've obviously been to a ton of games there. But every time I go, I always, I look around at Marvel at how fucking insane the actual park is. Like how they built it, how like behind third base, the fans just come in. And there's like no foul territory in the left. You have this giant wall. You have the Redfield bleachers way back. We have this foul pole. That's like 311 feet that you basically have to curve the ball around them foul pole. Anything in the right. Any kind of bomb to Redfield. Really hard to hit it out. But it's cool. It's different. It stands out. It's cool. It's different. It stands out. And the other, there are a lot of benefits to the create your own three point line. Most notably, or the top two would be one, you would need to build a team that can win a bunch of different ways. You would, like the, you would need, you, you could have the way you play, but you also would be like, oh shoot. The best team in the league has Joker.

1:38:49And they have decided they're not having a three point line. Like do we have a way to play in those? I think you would have to decide before the year. Yes. No, that's what I'm saying. You couldn't do it serious to serious, but like no, but the next, the next maybe would have would have spaced, you know, made the arc even bigger because towns can make 26 footers like it. I don't know. It would have been a fun one. And then lastly, the other thing it would do is it would make the regular season so much more important because you would definitively care about home court advantage. Well, how about a team that just said, fuck it. We're not having a three point line. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, we just, we're not going to have one. So if you're, if Denver was like, we're not having one. We just think Joker, I don't know if they'd be the right example. The box with the honest a few years ago, whomever is like, we're not having one. And you're in their conference. You're like, we better have a better record than them. Yes. Because we can't beat them if you're those step warriors. You're like, we can't beat them

1:39:50four out of seven with no threes. We can't. So it just makes things the regular season more important. It would be funny if Denver did it where they just they had no corner threes. And it was just a straight line 25 feet just for Jamal Marin because he likes that top of the three. So it's like, they only decent shot. I like a lot of ideas. I like it just maybe being like a little circle. Like just one little spot. But go ahead. This is really the last one because we've gone too long anyway. This is from Scott Turner. He's wondering when songs reach a certain point of cultural saturation. Should they be banned for five years? Not bad songs overplayed songs. Two great candidates. Don't stop believe it in sweet Caroline. I like both songs, but we as a society, a society have abused them and worth about. It's impossible to any kind of party or game without hearing them. How great would those songs sound if you just hadn't heard them for five years. I think the killers have hit this point too with Mr. Brightside. Oh yeah. There's two that there's another one that they're playing in sporting events all

1:40:54the time now. And it's making me kind of feel like the killers are a little fucked out now. Also don't stop believing in sweet Caroline. Also have to they either intentionally or unintentionally. If they are played in an event, send a signal. This events for white people. Like if it's. And so like that. And again, I'm not saying there's not non-white people that love that song. Obviously, there are. What I'm saying is that is a click like it is that if that is the anthem. So sweet Caroline you're saying is the whitest white. So on to sing it a group. Yeah, it's pretty good. You feel like this is going to like the um I would say actually Rocky Mountain High kind of kind of took the mantle in the world cup. Maybe the Royals briefly when I was there doing radio post-college. Um, did they played every game low places by

1:41:56Garth Brooks like the Red Sox do sweet Caroline. Yeah. And I was like, guys, this is not good for like our rep as a city. Like we got to do better there. So I agree. I like your idea of the there or your email or's idea of okay, we'll appreciate this more. I mean, there have been really bad songs. Let's give it a break. Let's give it a break. Yeah. Well, the dogs out hit this. It needed that 20 years ago. Like there have been songs that hit the well, remember outcast. Hey, uh, just got beaten in the ground as bad as bad as one. Nelly Fertado song. Oh, that was another one. There was a pink one. Uh, coming out because you got there. Get this party started. Like that. Remember that was in basketball for three straight years. Every NBA game. But I'm worried about the killers. The killers should stand up for themselves a little bit. If anything from this podcast gets aggregated, I hope it's just the two seconds of you singing me singing. That's fine. That's all I want. Listen, it's part of the deal when we do

1:43:01this stuff. Um, Nick, right. The what's white. Oh, go ahead. No, you're about to promote what's right in the crowd. I appreciate that. But um, I will be thinking about you. If Wednesday night looks like the last football game we saw, that would be concerning. There's a lot of ways to be very optimistic. Be more concerned about my starting cornerback who made the off-pro team last year who doesn't have a contract and might just be like, I'm not playing tonight. If he doesn't play, it's an all time story. It's an all time story. If he doesn't, this is such, it's, it's an unforced error. Not on the level of the clippers just giving Uncle Dennis Carp launch to send them crazy bills. Nick, right. The what's right podcast as well as first things first with half-sick red smoker Kevin Wilds and Chris. He's gonna be so mad when he hears it. Thanks. Thanks. Good to see you. Thank you. All right. That's it for the pod. Thanks to Nick Wright. Thanks to Eduardo and Gahau as well. I am not going to be back until Wednesday night live on Netflix

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