Lucy Brenton - Liberty in Our Lifetime

0:00Welcome to the Real Power Family Radio Show, brought to you by Family Success Triangle. Where we talk about how we achieved financial freedom in two years, by the time we were 30. If we can do it, so can you. We will bring you the people who can help you achieve financial freedom, time freedom, and location freedom. Learn how we integrated our business, investing and homeschooling into everyday life. Now, here is the Real Power Family, Eric, Lila, Devon, anything. Welcome to the Real Power Family Radio Show, I'm your host, Eric Rowan. We have Lila and Devon today, and our special guest is Lucy Brenton. This lady is very much a liberate herian. She actually ran for the United States Senate. I believe it was 2016 and 2018, so two runs out of Indiana for the Senate. She has been all in on liberate herian policies, and she lives her life, congruently, with,

1:05you know, she practices what she preaches. She has a litter, actually a very large litter of children, and we met her in a couple of these wonderful young adults at the Ohio Real Estate Investors Association. She is a real estate investor, and to the really get down into my wife's heart, she's all into medicinal plants. Lila, give us a little bit more professional introduction about Lucy. Lucy Brenton is an author, mother, business woman, and proponent of liberty. She served as the vice chair of the Libertarian Party of Indiana, the treasurer of Indiana Notary Association, and has had several key roles in the Central Indiana Real Estate Investors Association. She's an entrepreneur and business consultant and has owned, managed, and operated mortgage companies. She believes in privacy, medical freedom, and family, and she's here today to educate and inspire you the listeners. Lucy, thank you for being on the show with us today. Lucy, it works a lot better for you, unmute, very good.

2:10I'm trying not to hide my light under a bushel, so I'll use that audio button. I have to ask you, because you ran for Senate in 2016 and 2018, what was that like running for the Senate? You know, I want to hear about that experience. It was the coolest thing ever, I mean, other than giving birth to each of my 10 children, no twins. It really was the best experience of my life. I was able to get access behind the scenes to a lot of the people that are very on the forefront of Indiana politics. So our current governor, Mike Braun, who is a businessman with, I think he came in with $100 million net worth as a US senator, and now he's got the state building a private helipad. I mean, the guy was rich before he got there, but with Trump's help, he's done even better for himself. So to be able to see these people behind the scenes and to see, you know, whether they were genuine or not, you can feel the energy. But most proud of my Senate run for the chances that I had to debate these folks, because I'm a libertarian, I had nothing to lose.

3:12So I brought it all. And you know, the things that I could say on the debate stage because I am not hampered by promises of fraud. I had no fraud to sell. And so on a $5,000 budget with each run, I literally competed against our former governor Evan Bae. And Todd Young, and Todd Young is a, well, anyway, he's the guy that won the seat. He's a Republican in 2016. I was able to just say outrageous things because I didn't have hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars to, to hinder me. And they had $55 to $60 million, but between the two of them in 2016, that they spent to win a seat that pays about $175,000 a year. That tells you how important and the fraud is and how valuable it is as a return on investment for the lobbyists. And so in 2018, I ran against the incumbent, Joe Donnelly, who's a very centrist Democrat, a Catholic fellow, just a really gem of a person behind the scenes. And then Mike Braun, our current governor, who is very stiff.

4:14He's definitely a businessman. He runs things by the numbers to the point where the current fight that we're facing in Indiana like you are the solar farms, the data centers. And HB1333 in Indiana currently takes away the ability of local folks like me, because I wanted to Washington County Indiana Plan Commission, which handles the zoning. It takes away our ability to say no to data centers or solar fields at all. So they're preempting us at the state level, so we can't even fight it at the local level. Apparently, citizens have been so effective at showing up and fighting many of these projects that the deletes, I don't call them the evenings, the deletes, have put their money towards the state level. And so they're just taking the rug out from under our feet. So that's who I am. I'm a fighter. I realize I've got three grandkids. All my life, I've realized that we're going to leave this planet. And our children are going to be here. And are we leaving them a situation that's worse or better?

5:16You know, if our grandparents had fought this back in the 40s and the 50s, perhaps we'd have a little bit more freedom today. And so I'm just making sure that I'm doing my part to try and leave. Actually, I'm not even going to try. Our grandchildren will live in a freer world than we're experiencing right now. I love it. If you look, they call them the greatest generation, but they did the most damage. Yes. They, on the, you know, on the whole, we probably should never even have been in World War one. And if we weren't, we wouldn't have been in two. But let's say, you know, everything, it's wonderful. And I will not disrespect any veteran out there. And I am really impressed with the people were lying to get into the army, compare that to my dad's generation and Vietnam, who, you know, there were draft Dodgers and stuff. And now we went from burning flags in the 70s to waving flags in the 80s. And now they're waving flags and they're of every country, but the United States.

6:16Right. I'm not taking away from the greatest generation, they did incredible things and they went through horrors that I don't ever want to imagine. That being said, it was the same time frame with FDR that passed a lot of the socialist programs that were still living and they're literally sucking the life out of us today, trying to maintain this massive warfare complex that Eisenhower warned us about. The so security that FDR put in all the works projects. I don't know, you probably, you certainly know better than me, but it seems to me like FDR was one of the biggest steps for enlarging the government and giving them more power. He even threatened to crush the Supreme Court and pack the court. Yes. And is that what you're saying that if our grandparents, because the Lucy's about our age, not in heaven's mind. And yeah, if our grandparents would have stood up and just said no.

7:19They were too busy fighting a war and doing all these other things that they let our own government run wild. And now it's time for us to step in and fix it for our grandkids. Is that what you're saying? 100%. These are cycles of personal freedom that have not been seen before. So when we look at 1776 and what happened, and you know, we can get into, you know, all the stuff in the minutiae, which probably doesn't matter. There was something that happened in the late 1700s that most people will agree with. That people stood up and enough of them stood up at the same time, willing to risk their lives, that we had unprecedented personal freedom that we had not experienced. The problem is is that most people, and I'm just going to be judgy about this when I say, you know, our grandparents should have taken care of it. They were, I have to let them know they were, they were doing the best they could in their time. Because they had not seen this cycle that we've seen for the last 150 years. So I'm preaching to the choir here and to the Fed. We know that we got the Federal Reserve Act in 1913 on December 23rd, so as Christmas

8:21Eve, Eve, when all the good senators were home, they had just enough thought and paid there. And then those of us that understand some more about economics, which Eric, I've been reading your, your investing king, and it's fantastic. A lot of people don't realize that the reason the IRS was put into 1913 is because they were getting ready to inflate our dollar. And if they could continually pull 20 or 30% out of the supply, it would mask the inflation. So from 1913, when our money system was taken over, and just recognizing the good work that so many people did, I've gone back and look at political cartoons from 1905 to 1915. There were fighters. There were people who applied it a day. Yes, yes. Everything. Some of them you wouldn't know they were written almost over a hundred years ago. A hundred percent because the principles are there. And so my favorite one is where they have this octopus and it's on top of the capital and the Federal Reserve building and its tentacles, you know, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers. I have a unique view on this. I don't think everybody agrees with me, but I really agree.

9:23I really believe that in 19, let me slow down because my brain's going on my element in about the 1776 as we were winning our freedom and the Revolutionary War. In the background, I believe what was actually happening is that our conditions of slavery were being negotiated. I believe that the Bank of England and the City of London were in control of that and that they really negotiated to us, well, we will let the cattle think that they're free on the farm. And so they realize that if you let people do the things that they like to do, you know, the people that are good at being attorneys will be attorneys and farmers will be farmers. If you don't try and control the vocation of your slaves, then they will rise and actually produce more milk for you. And so I think the situation that we've got now is the digital prison that's coming with the AI-flot cameras, you know, the AI that we've talked about on digital prison is being constructed around us. So right as we speak, and most people don't see it. Every 80 years, we go through this cycle and you can talk about Kendratty off-waves.

10:25You can talk about strong men make good times, good times, make weak men, weak men make bad times, bad times make strong men. We are in that and roughly every 80 years, we have had a major war. Some type of conflict. And every single time the citizens have lost individuality. They have lost freedoms and liberty except for in 1776. So if we look at 1776, we had not only the Declaration of Independence, but Adam Smith wrote the wealth of nations. The entire world was moving towards more freedom and liberty. And then in 1913, it was equally strong going the other way because not only did we get the Federal Reserve, not only did we get the income tax, isn't that also the same year that we changed the Constitution so we have a direct vote for the Senate instead of, right? Yes, that's a good thing to point that out.

11:25I had no idea. I'm like, of course, any normal person would say it's obviously better to have the citizens voting for the Senate than having them appointed by the state. And when I read this whole book and realized, man, did that really mess up the system we have when we changed that, but you really have to look into it. Right after this break, we're going to ask Lucy what she thinks about that. Every parent wants their kids to be successful. And today's world, getting them the right knowledge to do this can be a challenge. My husband and I decided to homeschool our kids and give them a financial and real world education rather than making them memorize things they would probably never use. Our results are kids who became financially free before they could drive with no money or credit from us. Now at 16 and 13, they co-host our Real Power Family Radio Show and Devon is in his third year of college. How can you give your kids a head start like this? Check out our book, Family Success Triangle, which outlines the lessons we taught our kids. We want you to achieve amazing results at any age.

12:26Get your copy of Family Success Triangle on Amazon today and be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel at Real Power Family and listen to the Real Power Family Radio Show Monday through Friday at 7 a.m. on the Brushwood Media Network. Welcome back to the Real Power Family Radio Show. Today we are on here with Lucy Brenton and my dad just brought up also in 1913, the same year that we got the Federal Reserve Act and plenty of other things that weren't so great. We also got instead of our representatives voting for the people in the Senate, it's directly we vote for it, which on the surface, well, that seems good. I vote for it rather than somebody far away from me and Lucy, how does that actually work out? What does that really mean? You know, a lot of people don't understand that before the kind of Senate races that I was in, where we go directly to the voters

13:27and of course everybody wants to talk about democracy, but that's just two wolves in a sheep deciding what's for dinner. So democracy is not all it's cracked up to be. A 50.1% of the people decide you're gonna die. No, I like the rule of law and the republic. But before the state, the House of Representatives and US Senate would decide the two people that we're gonna leave their state and go to Washington. And now it's directly voted on by the populace. So what I see happening with that is before our 50 states are actually operating more like 50 countries, the states that are united in America for the United States of America and for those of you that understand capitalization of the U versus not capitalization of the U, you get what I'm saying. After that, it took the fraud, fraud is for sale, make no mistake about it in our government and other governments. So those votes that the senators have now at the federal level are not held captive or responsible in any way to their individual states. So they've taken that locus of control for the Senate votes

14:30and moved that outside of the control of the states. And the people think that they have more control but what they actually have is a delusion of their power. So now I wanna pause a second. Are you telling me these senators are, they were representatives. They were delegates sent to it not unlike the United Nations. They were delegates from each country, each nation state, which we just call our states, up to the federal level and we had a very weak federal level. You're telling me that then they pretty much represented the states in what was good for the state itself. And now, even though we citizens get to vote on them, they don't care about us. They sold us out for their donors and I just can't believe I bet everybody in Washington DC is honest and wants to help me out. It's for the children. It's always for the children. It's for the children. Yes, yes. You know, it's very interesting how you phrase that.

15:32So we had a weak federal government and now we have a stronger federal government. And you're right. And that's because power likes to roll itself up to bigger and bigger power. And that's why in the county level, even though I've run for United States Senate, in Indiana in 2016 and 2018, the thing that people miss is, you know, I tried to be the spoiler. I wanted to be the libertarian, the third party. We've worked very, very hard in Indiana to get and maintain ballot access since 1994. So every Indiana voter had the opportunity to vote for me or other libertarians. We had a very full slate. They could have voted for something different. But the Red versus Blue, Pepsi versus Coke, AFL versus NFL, Red versus Blue, all of that literal propaganda and mind control has been sold to people as if you're on the blue team and the red team wins, there's going to be disaster. And then they flip it. So then the red team is the bad guy and the blue team is the good guy. People don't understand the theater that is maintained the bread and circus

16:34in order to keep them involved with things that happen, for example, at the federal level, versus coming down to the county level, where I'm at right now. So instead of running for federal senate and going around and doing all this fun stuff, now I'm on the Washington County, Indiana plan commission, which is where we do the zoning. I think the thing that people think that they think that it doesn't matter what's going on at the county level and they fail to recognize the accountability that comes from, when I'm up there at the county planning commission, we have real people with real problems who are fighting solar or their neighbor has signed on to solar and they're concerned that I'm going to give you 30 seconds on Indiana Geography and Geology. So Southern Indiana is carst topography. Carst topography means that we have limestone caves. The county next door has over 630 caves. Mine has over 540 caves. And inside those caves is water. Well, the caves themselves are supported by the water.

17:35So if we get all that water sectioned by a data center, our geology will collapse like pancakes. And we already have sinkholes all over. Southern Indiana has the biggest carst topography maybe in the world. It's an eight acre site. And literally everything underneath just collapses. So I'm fighting solar and data centers because my concern, you know, for my area is that they can literally put my house into the ground, you know, 100 feet under. I mean, we go, we go to these caves around here, y'all should come on over. It's the most fascinating thing. But that's the difference between local control and the farther the way that moves away. We are nameless, faceless, ants, cattle on a farm to those federal senators. But to the state senators and the state representatives who have an office in my county, I can go there and knock on their door. Yeah, and I like that having that local. You know more of what's going on. We've talked about like charity should be local. So you can see where is your money actually going? Because I think the further away our money gets from us, we get more waste, fraud and abuse.

18:36Because we can't control it as much. We can't see where it's going. And so it ends up going to places that we wouldn't have wanted it to go to start with. So local is dead. And you all know money is just energy. And so being able to take that energy and direct it. And Eric, you're the perfect person for me to tee up this question to you. You know, we're sitting here with gold. And I knew that I was going to see this in my lifetime. But now that I'm living it at shocking, in the 80s and early 90s, when I was learning about all this stuff, gold was about 200 nauts. And we thought that was outrageous. But I've been taking my kids through Zillow and showing them houses that are for sale, taking that back to 1913 when a gold was $20 an ounce. And then to 1971, the year I was born and Bretton Woods and explaining that with Nixon. And then moving forward to $5,500 an ounce. Like, what does that translate to? To the value of the bricks and the sticks and the labor that built these houses we can buy. So Eric, what do you think? Gold silver, should we be doing anything about that? Well, I like silver so much.

19:37I have my own silver rounds made. And you can get a real power family silver rounds in American gold exchange. But yeah, I think that silver is dramatically. It has been pushed down as the easiest market to manipulate. And we just had a wild run up and then we had a crazy crash. It doesn't matter. It's still undervalued. Gold is acting a little bit more like a gold stock or gold and not a crypto, where silver is literally having mind boggling swing. That is showing that the dollars, the fiat money of the world is breaking down. And you can't, we always talk on this show about an elastic measuring tape. Can you imagine building a skyscraper? If you had to use a rubber measure tape, that's what fiat currency is. And the United States dollar is awful. It's just as less awful than every other one in the world right now. And as soon as we get like the bricks bang, just brought up the unit is going to be 40% backed by gold.

20:38That is a side. You can hate them and not trust them and say there are enemies, but you can't have international commerce with a rubber measuring tape. Imagine if you walked in and nobody knew the weights of thing. Oh, give me a pound of flour. Well, a pound of flour and Massachusetts is different than it is in Texas. Usually you do that. So yeah, I'm a big fan of precious metals. Also of Bitcoin, but no, not necessarily any other cryptos. And you can argue against that. The bottom line is at least there's something that holds them so they can't be expanded like fiat currency. And if you look at what does it cost to buy a house and ounces of silver? What does it cost and ounces of gold? You'll realize that gold isn't really at nosebleed levels. It's the highest dollar value it's ever been at, but that doesn't mean it's too high. And I think if you look, we make the politicians to bring it back to politics, need to make the middle class. They need to do with the rich people donors,

21:39tell them to do, and then they need to make it seem like it's good for the middle class. That's at least the way I'm seeing this whole thing. And one way to make the middle class happy is to let them know. Trump came right out and said it. Everybody is talking about how awful on the housing affordability crisis and he paid lip service to that and then said the exact opposite. We're gonna make sure we hold up the prices of houses. We can't let homeowners be hurt. And now you're seeing in some of our legal fights against the government, they're all going after trying to protect the homeowners at the expense of the renters. And we just had a bunch of laws passed in Ohio that hurt anybody that's renting a home to the benefit slightly homeowners. So what exactly is going on there? I would say look at how much it cost an ounce as a gold to buy a house in 1910 versus today. And I can tell you right now that it should be somewhere five is low, but we'll probably get down to five ounces of gold to buy the entire Dow.

22:42And I'm totally stealing that from Bonner research. So thank you Bill Bonner and team. But if you look at that, that means the stock market has to be cut in half or gold has to double to get there or somewhere in between. And I believe that they've artificially inflated the price of all these stocks. So everybody in the middle class feels good about their 401k. They're a millionaire on paper if they have a little bit of savings in a 401k and own a home. All you gotta do is pay off your home and you're practically a millionaire. But that doesn't mean that you can have a good life and take vacations or buy a new car when you want. A million is not nearly as much as it was. You have to look at how many ounces of gold or silver are you worth to see really how good your life is. We are overdue for a break, but we'll come back and have Lila ask Lucia question right after this. Have you ever loved one benefacted by inflation? Yes. We have the product for you. Hard assets that hold their value like the real power family silk around are available

23:43at American Gold Exchange. You can visit American Gold Exchange at AMERgold.com or by calling 1-800-613-9323. Welcome back to the real power family radio show today. Our guest is Lucy Brenton and Lucy. I'm fascinated because we have so many beliefs in common and I know you've got obviously a lot of children. I want to know were you teaching them about gold and silver like did you homeschool them? Yeah, we've done everything for the kids depending upon what we lived. So we lived in Hamilton County, Indiana, which is a very wealthy area. I let the kids go to school. It was mostly Republicans. That's a mixed bag being a libertarian. But the wealth of the community really kept the schools on a track so that kids were actually taught reality. So the kids there, they weren't social justice warriors like you might have found in an inner city. So I felt comfortable having them there.

24:43Out here in a rural area, we have a pretty good rural school. But still, it's the idea of if you send your kids to be educated by Caesar, don't be surprised when they come back as Romans. So these are the discussions growing up with cash flow. I'm sure you've been playing cash flow since you're a little so of our kids. I go on and I find resources and maybe you're using these as well like classicallearner.com, the Tettle Twins books, all of those. Yes, and even the books that Devon and Ethan have written. Because we bought those for our kids on Amazon. So shout out to giving your kids the opportunity to do something significant when they're young. And then it just becomes what you do. And of course, I love your family power triangle, I think it is. I can't let you success triangle. Yeah, I can't let you success triangles. Thank you. So that was something that helped to be just since I met you a couple of years ago. It helped me shift my focus a little bit on how I taught my kids. The thing that I'm really focused on teaching my kids

25:44is what can you do in the real world that will maybe not protect you from everything that's going on, but at least give you some sort of measure protection. So my favorite thing to talk with my kids about is growing our own food because it is better to grow food than to print cash. And so what I do in my local community, I have a company called Landscape Medicine Nursery. We sell medicinal, edible, and culinary plants. Right now I'm small, so I sell off of my three acres. I go to farmer's markets and I'm now prospecting and marketing into wealthier neighborhoods so that I can get those jobs where you can grow your cash faster in your business. At some point you have to scale to larger jobs. The focus and the philanthropic side of that, by the way, is I'm helping churches put 10 very specific plants like elderberry, blackberries, those kinds of things that you can propagate for free. I mean with elderberries, you literally just take a stick where there were two leaf nodes that went under the ground, one above the ground,

26:46and that thing is gonna grow roots for you. And you're gonna have the best medicine. So with those core 10 plants that we're putting in 10 churches each this spring, we will show how God multiplies abundance. He'll take those 10 plants and we'll save the seeds and we'll teach people how to propagate from sticks and those will be 100 and 1,000 and 10,000 plants. And it will create the food security in the urban areas that they don't have. So what I'm trying to teach my kids is that old idea of when was the best time to plan a tree 20 years ago next best time is now, how can you get things in your yard or in your community? We make seed bombs out of clay with a little bit of sand and we put the seed in it. And the kids love throwing these larger than walnut size seed, we call them seed bombs. And so when we're in public parks, we put things out like Echinacea because it's one of the best things. And it's beautiful. So people are less likely to chop them down. And then the content that I'm starting to create is how do you grow lion's main mushrooms

27:46and turn it into medicine that is protective against dementia? And regrow your nerves if you have peripheral neuropathy. So I've really been trying to focus when they zigize ag. So if they want everything in the digital world, I want to pull everything back to what can we do in the real world and the whole basis of that is your friendships and your local network. We just got a place a year and a half ago, down in Tennessee. And we don't have a house there, we've got a camper on top of a mountain. And it's just so great because we're really getting back to the basics. You know, we're riding four-wheelers or walking everywhere you go. And hey, there's rattlesnakes and bobcats and all this and learn, yeah, she's cringy. Cringy, yeah. Hey, spiders and how to take care of yourself. We don't know what a cave's there. Wait, let me, let me shout out Marjorie Wildcraft. We better get her. Yes, I have a veteran person that I really want to meet her. But I was looking at, you know, Robert Kiyosaki books

28:48back from like the early 2000s and she's one of the testimonials, you know, on there from her time in real estate investing. And she brings some really great knowledge. There's some other people that do. I remember following Marjorie when she was bitten by a snake and she used all of that. Yeah, I read that book that she wrote about the snake bite. We have that down at her camp. Yes, we do. Yeah. Yes, let's tell everybody about that. So the real wealth is knowledge. And unfortunately, we're an EMP away from losing our ability to access knowledge. And so I really tell people, go to betterworldbooks.com. There are some Hoosiers that did a philanthropic charitable thing when they were in college. And for every book that you buy, they don't need a book for literacy. And it was so good in college that they then turned it into a full nonprofit. So they're, I just can't tell you enough. So I go in there and get, I'm like stalking the wild asparagus. And I go and get all of these books so that we'll have them. So I'll order two or three at a time. I give them to my kids that live in different counties

29:50because God forbid something happen. When it does, everybody will have their own library of what to forage. And so we have, I'm sure you do in Ohio too. We have local businesses, a lot of Navy SEALs, other veterans who have some great knowledge. And you can go, I think his name is Creek Williams here in Indiana. It's Creek something. But you can, you know, for a few hundred bucks on the weekend, they'll take you around and they'll show you all the skills that we've learned. And so if something happens, you'll be able to go out and find, you know, lambs quarter and stinging nettle. And you'll know that these things are things that you can eat. So even if the food supplies start off, you should be able to go out and feed your family. Even if it's winter, dig up the roots. Even after teaching environmental hazards and survival and multiple places in the army, this is not something you can take a weekend class for and think you know anything you'll actually live. This is stuff, you've got to have the reference books like Liz was talking about. And you need some practice.

30:50They get out there and do it. Because if not, there's a lot of roots that, you know, is it hemlock looks a lot like a wild carrot. It does, yes, great. So make sure, check out landscape medicine nursery.com. And if you want to directly contact Lucy, Lucy Brenton, that's B-R-E-N-T-O-N on LinkedIn. Is a good way to get a hold of her or her personal website, www.lucybrenton.com. And we will certainly have all of these links in our show notes. So just scroll down and click on that. We'll be right back. Brushwood Media Network. Ethan, you're known for being the youngest teenager on the real power family radio show on the Brushwood Media Network. You're also known for being quite successful and you're only 15. How'd you do that? Well, you've always taught me to buy more hard assets faster. And one of those hard assets that I've bought is the real power family silver round

31:52from American Gold Exchange. Get your real power family silver rounds by going to AMERgold.com or calling 800-613-9323. Welcome back to the real power family radio show. Today our guest is Lucy Brenton and we were just talking about how there are some books you just need to have in paper and anything that goes along with surviving in the wild or plants or a lot of the science. You want to have that on hand because if you ever need to be able to forge in the wild and find food, you'll be able to do things like that and know that you don't want hemlock, you want the wild carrot, things like that. And Lucy, the fact that you're out working with all of this, having your landscape medicinal nursery, working with people, teaching them about all this on your website, I loved going through. You've got an entire section about medical freedom and talking about solar and all these different things. And then you've also got a post about self-ownership. All of this is just such great information.

32:55What you write is not only educational, but inspiring to those of us that want a more free world. So I want to applaud you for doing that. I'm sure it takes a lot of your time to keep up with all of this, but it's very helpful for those of us that are trying to learn from you. Hey, thanks. I appreciate that. I want to give a shout out to this guy named Marcus Rothkran that I've been following for years. If you don't know, I mean, he's like so cool. But at Marcus' products and it's Marcus with a K, he has a book called Free Food and Medicine. So he's put together videos. I've got his app. I've got his book. And it will literally be a field guide for you. So if you don't know any of the other authors to get field guides, Peterson's is a really good one, also, the Peterson field guides. And those are by region. So if you're a mid-Atlantic versus Southwest, you're going to find very different things to use and eat. And it's amazing how God has created things like stand-align, which are everywhere. Yes. There are mushrooms that don't have any look alike. So if you can just identify four or five things

33:55in your region, you never have to starve. And thank you, Eric, for saying what you said, which is you can't take a weekend seminar, just like you can't in real estate investing, unless you want to get yourself in some trouble. Yeah, go pay $300, spend a weekend. I know everything. I'll be a real estate millionaire. Yeah, exactly. It didn't quite work for me that way either. But it does allow us, even if you're in an apartment, this is one of the things that I talk about, is if you're in an apartment, you know, you can get one of those water towers. You can literally do, you know, just a pot with some sunlight. And if that's where you start, that's where you start. If you have to start with a $7 survival knife from Walmart before you can get everything else, you know, go get what you can while you can and then upgrade later. But you have to get started, even if it's literally with only $5 in your pocket, you can start. I don't know if you know what I was a skydiving instructor for many years. That's why you're so crazy. Jumping out of her pocket. The first half of my adult life, I jumped out of airplanes and blew stuff up for the army. So, yeah, it's a part of my life.

34:58And there are the people that say, oh, I've always wanted to do that. Well, then why didn't you? There's the less than 1% that have actually done it and, you know, tied themselves to somebody else to a tandem or something. And they're like, oh, yeah, I'm a skydiver. I made four jumps. I was like, you were tied to somebody four times. I was the guy you were tied to, right? I was the instructor. And then you have the other group of people that says, yeah, if I ever need to jump or if the planes ever on fire, then I'll learn how to jump. I said, no, then you'll burn up and die. This is not something that in an emergency, you can figure out that that is the way I live my whole life. That skydiving metaphor, you have to play in for the worst and hope for the best. And then you won't be disappointed. And so many people, it's just, that's my biggest complaint on the world, the brain, the thoughts, the way people act. I can't come up with the right word here. But they just, you ask them, hey, what do you think

36:01about social security? Oh, it won't be there when I retire. So what are you doing about that? Oh, I'm gonna work until I die. Have you figured that maybe you're a woman, you'll probably live longer than us guys. So your husband's not gonna be there statistically speaking. You're gonna live till 80 or 90. What do you think you're gonna be able to do physically when you're 87 years old? Have you considered what nine to $1,200 a month in social security can buy you? Where are you gonna live? If you don't have the capital of people, if you don't have your children to take care of you, then what are you gonna do? And you're not training your, I train to my children. And I made no mistake that I'm taking care of you for 18 years. And if I need it, I expect you to take care of me. Now, I thoroughly expect to never need it. And I'm making every plan to not need it. But that was just the expectation that I better be a good father. I better take care of them and nurture them

37:01and make them successful if I need them in my older years. And now we're seeing a lot more people that are realizing, wow, I need that help of my children or grandchildren. We see a lot more of Devons age saying, wow, I can't move out. I get, mom and dad got to help me until I'm 30. Where do you think the world is going and what can we do to make it better for everybody, Lucy? Well, I think the first thing people have to do is stop whining and realize that no one is coming to save you. You have to take radical personal responsibility. And once you realize that the common denominator or all of this, I tell my friends have been divorced three or four times. I've been married for 35 years. I'm like, nothing's changing because you haven't changed because the common denominator is you. And if you're willing to accept that, then you can go create something new. We are up against so many things. And to speak to what you said about your time in the military, you know, play hard, fight easy. You fall to the level of your training. You do not rise to what's in your brain because under stress, you can't think straight.

38:02And so unless you've done this, my brother's a firefighter, 35 years, I mean, I don't care what you throw at this guy. He is going to be able to do it. So what should people do now? Well, first, I'm fighting at the local level to recognize people's rights. In Indiana, it's called the Log Cabin Rule. You were allowed to build your own house and you don't have to have any permits or anything. We even have outdoor previews. And so if the only thing that you do right now while you're young enough and you have the energy is buy an acre by two acres, even just whatever the minimum is in your county and my county, we just took it from two acres to one acre. And literally go get yourself, you know, straw bales, rebar, watch some houses, go build your own house so that your shelter is taken care of for the rest of your life. If you only do that, the most, the mistake that everybody makes and I've been a mortgage broker since 96, I hated putting people in debt, but I realized that was the only way. That was, well, we are going to ask Lucy, she just had a technical difficulty.

39:04We're gonna ask her what she thinks about because I understand as a mortgage broker that putting people in 30-year mortgages, which is what far too many people get, kind of makes them a slave for life to pay that off. And the same note, debt is incredible. You cannot live in this world based on debt and avoid debt. That is the number one middle class problem. They try to pay off all their debt and wonder why they can't get ahead. You have got to use debt and by cash flowing assets that will cover the debt payments for you. If you really want to get ahead. That's what we'll talk about right after this break. Hi, this is Eric Wohen from the Real Power Family and best selling author of Family Success Trangle. Learning how my wife and I became financially free by the time we were only 30 and how we taught these secrets to our kids so they could do the same without any of our money or credit when they were just teenagers.

40:04Pick up a copy of our book, Family Success Trangle, available on Amazon today. And don't forget to tune in to the Real Power Family radio show, weekdays at 7 a.m. Eastern on the Brushwood Media Network. Welcome back to the Real Power Family Radio show where we are talking to Lucy Breton who right before break had brought up how she was a mortgage broker and like at times we're talking to people and didn't want to like get people into debt that they weren't going to be able to get their way out of eventually. And dad, I think you had some questions and things related to that. Yeah, as a mortgage broker, I completely understand how you think people getting one mortgage, especially a 30 year might not be great for them. And as a business owner in real estate and I know you're a hot shot in your local rea groups, you have to use leverage and you just cannot get ahead. That's what puts the rich in the rich category and not stuck in the middle class category.

41:06So help explain to me why you didn't like giving mortgages or how you feel about that. A lot of people get caught in the trap where they are prospected by a mortgage company and I tried very hard to maintain my integrity and not refinance people in this position. So the mortgage rules are if you can save somebody a solid 50 or $100 a month, the underwriter is allowed to prove it to approve it. But here's the problem. Even if you're going from an 8% to a seven or a seven to a six or a six to a five, if you're already 10 years into a 30 year mortgage, you need to go look at the amortization schedule and you discover that the banks make their most money in the first 84 months of that mortgage. And so then when you switch, you reset the clock on your own debt slavery. So what I recommend people do instead and there's a book called Missed MISCD Missed Fortune 101, it transformed the way that I looked at mortgages early in my career. So I counsel people get a mortgage where by a home

42:08where you can afford a 15 year payment, but instead opt for a 30 year payment. Now be like Lucy, but it's an eighth of a point or a quarter of a point higher, like I don't care. Because what you're gonna do is you're going to take that 15 year payment and you're gonna pay 30 years to the mortgage company and you're gonna pay the other portion to yourself and it's magic. So by month 180, which is year 15, if you, it's almost like by term and invest the rest, but if you pay your mortgage payment and then pay the additional as if it were 15 years, your own fund and you get the benefit of that compounding interest. Do not give that money to the mortgage company. It will not benefit you. By month 180, you will have more money in that side fund. You could pay it down to zero, but you don't want to stop that snowball. So it's a really simple concept, just like Robert Kiyosaki has good debt and bad debt. I tell my kids the reason you have rental properties because another family will get up in the morning is to go pay off your house. And if you have multi units and you have multiple people that are helping you

43:09pay off your house and infinite banking, I'm sure you guys have talked about that before, but I think the thing I really want to concentrate on, especially for the young people, is the concept of tiny houses. Because if you can, and this is my oldest daughter and her husband with two grandkids did, if you can get a tiny house, whether you build it yourself or you buy it, you're spending 20, 30, $40,000 as something that if you even just work a second job or door dash, you can get that paid off very, very quickly. But then you're not spending 30% of your income to the bank. Most people will try to qualify for the largest payment they can because they're trying to get a decent lifestyle and live a decent, get a decent place. But every day that you wake up and you work eight hours, two and a half of those hours are just to pay for the bank. They love having millions of people get up in the morning to go pay for their assets. So don't be one of those. Decide to live. And then next, three and a half hours, you pay to the government for taxes. Yes, yes, everybody's lit.

44:11Why you're stuck. All right, let me throw something out there that maybe I have owned for mobile home parks. Yeah, that's true. I don't know why anybody would live in a tiny house. That sounds awful. I mean, I have a very large house and it's a cool novel idea maybe to have as a camp, but I don't want to raise kids in a tiny house. Do you know how nice a brand new mobile home? Especially, and this is the key. Don't pay rent to somebody like me on my land. You own the dirt underneath it. But imagine how much less expensive you can go out. And if you're trying to get started, just buy yourself a lot and there's a lot of places you cannot legally put a mobile home. But buy a lot that has water and sewer already and stick a mobile home on it. In fact, we had my wife buys mobile homes. What's this name, Lila? Oh my gosh, I can't think of any. I was talking to him on LinkedIn. We had him on here a couple of years ago. He's one of the national speakers, great guy. But yeah, it's so inexpensive.

45:12If you're looking, there's another way whether Lucy says tiny homes, they say single or a double wide. There are some really nice factory built homes out there. Oh, Adrian Smooth. Adrian Smooth. Yeah, if you're in from up with that. Mobile homes on land, check out Adrian. Yes. He's a good speaker for your real estate group and also great to listen to. Good friend of ours since well before he started speaking. So yeah, these are good ways that you can get into your first home for you, you know, Gen Zs. Yeah, well, we know the alpha's coming up. We've talked about it before. You don't immediately go from, you know, being in school to buying your dream house. You usually get some sort of a starter home and a mobile home, obviously, yes, less expensive to get into. So you can build up to a better house faster and easier. But there's a way to work your way up. You don't just start with it all and I think people are kind of skipping over that. And that's why they're getting into these situations where they're paying way too much for where they're living because they want to jump up, you know, immediately into something that they really can't afford.

46:14All right, I want to tie this together. Something that I've never understood. I won, I loved the own land. So people listening, we have hundreds of acres in Tennessee. We've got the farm here in Ohio. I like land. I like, I don't, I think anybody that has a choice, a city lot should be five acres. That's about the right amount of land for anybody. You can go out, have your gardens play, not worry about the kids running around and climbing trees. And if you do, if you even own a half an acre or a quarter acre and you're gonna plant, why do people plant all these pretty shrubbery? Who cares? I want the stuff that grows food and that's probably why Ethan wrote the tree house and has this tree challenge. It's not just plant a tree. It's plant an apple tree, plant a fruit tree. Like you said, elderberries. We've got elderberries and they're fantastic. We actually mix them with the honey from our bees and make meat with them or technical ones.

47:15Yeah, if five gallons sitting downstairs right now, I need to bottle. So I think why time is so important when you're starting investing. The sooner you buy Lucy and hold onto stuff, the better you're gonna be. Because I hate to use a stock broker term. It's time in the market. But with real estate and growing fruit trees, it really is time in the ground. So what I would say if you are out there to tie our buying real estate together with growing plants, what are some great plants that they should immediately get started? Because like an apple tree, you probably are not gonna eat an apple for five years. So we've got to start that through. That's true. Absolutely. I think the first thing people should do is take an inventory of what they already like to eat. Because just like practicing ahead of time, you need to actually grow the things that you like to eat. So for most people that's apple trees, pear trees, peach trees, I want to give a shout out to something most people have never heard of unless you're Canadian called a HASCAP, H-A-S-K-A-P.

48:17These have 400% the amount of pro-antho-signans as a blueberry. And they will bloom as early as April in my region in Southern Indiana. I'm zone five. What's that mean to me? Other than they'll grow in Ohio because everything else freezes out. Yeah, so they will. So these will go all the way up into Alaska. They're a huge crop in Canada and they taste like a very chart blueberry. So this is a great blueberry substitute. And people need to find out what's growing in your local region. But the 400 thing, it has 400. The pro-antho-sign, yeah. Yeah, you know how blueberries are purple and that's healthy for you? There's four times that amount, 400%. So four times the amount of good stuff. It's four times healthier. Four times healthier, yes. Okay, well, that has to translate this stuff to you. But you know, I also want to encourage people to start looking for farms right now. Joel Salaton talks about this. I'm sure you talk about this. The greatest wealth transfers happening right now. And God promised us that if we are faithful, we will reap where we did not sow. And so people that have lived a homesteading lifestyle

49:20and already have, you know, 10 and 20 year old apple trees, maybe even 100 year old apple trees on their property, some of these kids, they'd rather live in the city where they think it's easier. So you can go buy those farms right now. My favorite way to find that is to drive around and to look at, you know, just properties and then send them a yellow letter. So I take that eight and a half by 11 yellow letter and I just write it out. And that's how I find properties to buy out here. And we get them like you teach off market. That is absolutely the best way to do it because any time you've got a property that's already being marketed, you've got so much competition. But if you can find the ones that aren't on market, well, that's when you get the really good deals and you can frequently structure the deal so everybody wins because you've got a lot more flexibility when there aren't a lot of real estate agents involved that want to keep it status quo. Yeah, I don't want to discriminate against all of you city dwellers. I am really impressed. I don't know how they put it together, but right across from our print shop where we get all of our promotional materials made,

50:22they have a little community garden inside the city of Kent. And there has got to be a way you can set that up. It's pretty cool. People just kind of come in and work their own area or maybe one person takes care of more of it. But this can be done anywhere. Like Lucy said, even if you live in an apartment building, you can put a couple of plants in the windowsill. And I know my wife grows herbs and stuff and our windowsill in our case. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Lucy, what were you saying? Yeah. Oh, I'm going to give you a couple of really fast resources because I know we're wrapping up a time here. Don't let being small stop you. I started with literally plastic pallets and center blocks and I'm growing that as my nursery. So don't let being small stop you. If you are on a 10th of an acre, I know people personally on a third of an acre in an HOA neighborhood that are making $10,000 a month on Etsy selling plants. And she's in Tennessee. So I can get you introduced to her. She's wonderful. You can go get the book The Urban Farmer by Curtis Stone. He's a Canadian that made his living $70, $80,000

51:24of your net Canadian dollars by gardening in a suburb. And he just released the backyards of people within a 15 block radius of him. And then he sold very specific crops to chefs, things that you could cut and come again like lettuce mixes. You plant them once and you get three or four harvest over the summer. So do that. Also think about the gorilla gardening and the seed bombs. So if you're in a neighborhood but you've got parks around you, then get the seed bombs and the things that you want. Like, you know, echinacea. Go throw those as seed bombs and that will become part of your local habitat. And when the poop hits the rotating oscillator, guess what you get to do? You know where there are treasure troves and pockets of nutrition and medicine. And one final thing before we go, I know you got another question for me, is think about this. You don't know about these herbal medicines or how to make them because they're not profitable. You can't patent life. But you can patent a molecule. So if an endosol comes from Chinese mugwort, which is a little bit different from the mugwort we have here, so you have to get the very specific Artemisia.

52:26But they patented what you know is fentendosol out of that and created eight different analogs that are all patented. But just go get the Chinese mugwort. And anytime somebody says they've got, some sort of ailment, they're taking metformin. I put in Google, what herb or what plant does metformin come from? And then you'll find out that it's burberine and you know, golden seal and organ holly. So you can go do this stuff yourself. Yeah, that's a great thing to learn. All right, I can tell you for sure that if you have little boys and you tell them to go weed the garden, I know that was my most hated activity. It's probably, I don't know, maybe some kids like it, but it's probably not going to go over. If however you tell them they can throw seed bombs all over, you just got yourself a planning machine. That sounds like so much fun. Take this mud ball and throw it over there. Okay, my last question for Lucy, we're going back to politics. And the standard state and I am ashamed to admit that I have followed this belief most of my life.

53:28I would much rather have seen somebody like Ron Paul be elected president. But I mean, this Gary guy that ran for president, you know, he's going to get one percent. It's nothing more than a symbolic vote. I don't want to waste my vote is what people say. How can you vote for a libertarian? You got to vote for the lesser of two evils. I'm telling you right now, I voted mostly Republican, if not, yeah, mostly. And we got the House, the Senate and the president. And we were promised that the Epstein pedophiles would go to jail and then that party came back and told us, oh, yeah, there's nothing to see here. And we were promised that there wouldn't be any more wars. I love Trump because the first time there are no wars. Now we're bombing Iran and we're sending another 300 million to Israel and we just keep sending money. Nobody's talking about it, but we keep sending money to fight the Russians and pick a fight with the nuclear power. I'm at the point now where I keep saying it enough.

54:30I need to believe myself. There is literally no difference between the Democrats and Republicans. Everybody says the world's gonna end if Biden's elected. It didn't end. The world's gonna end. You know, Trump, the big mean orange guy. It, okay, it's different. Some things are changing, but nothing important. So what would you say to the people that say, no, I don't want to waste my vote. Cause you actually ran as a libertarian. Yes. You got more votes than any libertarian ever. One of the races you ran in. Correct. What do we say? Because this two party system isn't working. We literally have to expand. And if the libertarian party isn't the answer, we still need something to, uh, that those are great questions. And I'm going to shout out my friend Andrew Horning. Make sure you go on Amazon, get Andrew Horning's books like reliving the torch. He also has this fiction book. There's really got a crazy concept of time. But what Andy talks about all the time is politics is a relay race.

55:30And we're just shifting the baton further down the road. So if people look at their lifetime, if I look at 1971 versus today, I'm 54 years old, are people better off financially or not? And we go through the cycles, Democrats are in charge, Republicans are in charge. Oh, finally, my team is winning. So things are going to happen that I want to have happen. The base problem of politics is that people are willing and actually champion the idea of forcing their beliefs on somebody else. So when the blues in charge, they're happy because now they get to force their beliefs on the red people. And when the red people, when they're excited, but what they never see is that behind the scenes, you know, they may be fighting on the Senate floor, they may be fighting on the House floor, but as soon as the cameras are off, they're working together for their own benefit and not for years. So I want to stress over and over again that all politics is local. If you want to survive what's coming up, you need to be wise. You need to, you know, go get your hand radio license so that you can communicate.

56:31You need to have a fairer day cage that you build to put your important electronics in. You need to have dispersal of, you know, income into different currencies, you know, just like you're talking about in different assets. You have to have a house or two or 10 because assets rise with inflation and that's the only thing that's going to allow the middle class to kind of stay even. But at the end of the day, if there's an EMP and the lights are off, your relationship with the people around you is whether or not you will survive. I used to think I could be the lone wolf. I used to think that I'll just get my backpack and I'll leave the suburbs and I'll go out. But now that I live in the country, now that I understand what it takes, you know, to make sure that you spend a thousand bucks on a wood stove and put it in your house. People, they don't know the slap that we're getting ready to have happen with all of the AI in the data centers. You are now going to be bidding against electric companies to keep the lights on for the laptop you're using right now. So if you don't start to think about even having four or five or six solar panels or a wood stove,

57:34those sorts of things, if you don't do that now, you're going to be sitting in the dark. And if you don't have a relationship with your neighbors, then your neighbors aren't going to be friends and collaborators to work together to make sure people, we all have clean water and food. They're going to be the people that you look at with fear because you think they're going to come steal your stuff and then distrust instead of trust and building is going to happen. I love that. And that's where I was talking about the personal capital. You have to have friends. I'm not good at growing things. Thankfully, I have Lila. I am good at providing meat. So I just need to find a farmer that grows stuff so I can give them venison or fish or whatever. And that is, it gives you a lot of security mentally that you can go out and take what you might consider bigger chances in business and just knowing that no matter what people try to kill me, I can survive on my own. That allowed me to do things that people thought were wildly risky. I said, no, that's a calculated risk

58:35and what are they going to do? If I literally lose everything, well, I live off the land. I can go hunting and fishing if I'm not going to get that far down, but I could. Rapus up Lila. I think we're all just changing because Eric, you asked about that, but there's a Gallup poll that says 45% of voters are now considering themselves not really Republican or Democrat. I think we're heading towards a big change and 50% of Gen Z. So I think we're going to see that libertarian might start actually being the way to vote. Devin, what's your closing? That I may actually end up voting libertarian in the next election. We're going to see what happens and what candidates there are. But if I see one, I think highly enough of, that will be my vote. Lucy, any last second or dad? I just want to encourage people to start where you are. Don't let being small stop you. It starts with the first step. You know, a couple of breeding rabbits in your suburban garage will provide meat for you at the lowest cost for the highest quality of meat. Putting a few seeds out in your local community

59:35or in your backyard. If lawn will grow there, food will grow there. No matter what we talk about, we have politics, we have business, we have religion, we have everything on here. Everything that we talk about is simply to give you the tools that can make your life better. And none of them are going to help you at all. Education is useless unless you use it. So get out there, take action, and do everything you can to make the world a better place. Thank you again, Lucy. And I hope everybody passes this on to their friends, check out landscapemedicenersery.com or LucyBrenton on LinkedIn or LucyBrenton.com. Until tomorrow, make the world a better place. We hope you enjoyed the Real Power Family Radio Show brought to you by Family Success Triangle. We want you and your family to be financially free so you can go where you want, when you want,

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