Last, Current and Next Reads with Gare and Steph

0:00Well, Steph was a world traveler in February, so you guys got to hear Garrett and I with a few, a few with Ashley when instead of Mekob, but the trio is back this week. Yes, I am so excited. I've been looking forward to this, like, I kind of needed it. Me too. Well, therapy, I might need it. It's falling apart in the world on our podcast. What is our calling from this guy, but we're here to talk about books. Yeah, the thing that keeps us sane. Yes, a little bit. If I get one more TikTok which that is like keep your eye out for March 18th, that's when Trump's going to die and it just doesn't happen. Well, I'm marking my calendar. I keep, I've been getting them for like two years.

1:00Wait, they always see March 18th. They don't always say March 18th, but it's like a random day, right? Like they're like, oh, like March 8th or like February 22nd, like it's happening and then everybody re-shares it so like the whole world like believes in it and manifests it and it just doesn't happen. Well, we are recording on March 3rd for anyone who's listening in case anything has happened between now and March 6th with this comes out. But you know, fingers crossed, maybe garrison's manifested it completely. This is how I find out I'm a wedge. He doesn't have a pre-dassy rash that just showed up. So, you know, maybe she knows this is going out. You never know. Um, he's so jealous if you were a wedge. I would be so pissed if I found out at 38 years old. I had all this power that I just like left on my little witchy power shelf. Well, I think it comes with like the rage of age,

2:01like there's just like, that's true. That's true. Also true. If anything in the past two years, taught me is that I am full of rage. Not same. To toward most men. Same. What dude, when you said you might be a witch though, what's kind of crazy is I just interviewed an author, Alessia Gilmore. Her book is The Fortune Tellers of Rue de Rue. It comes out March 24th. But it is about Russian immigrants in Paris in the 1920s who are fortune tellers. And then a spirit gets like released into their business. And it's an angry one. But the cool thing was she like typically writes historical fiction. And she was intrigued by Slavic folklore and spirituality. And so she started researching it. And she had multiple generations in her own family that practiced like Slavic folklore and fortune telling. And she just didn't

3:06even know. And so she like found all this out in researching the book. So you never know. Sometimes you find out some cool shit later on in your life. Yeah, it's really good. But Gare has like maybe my favorite icebreaker of all time. Oh, it's so creative. I always see things about girl math on TikTok. And an example would be like if you spend $100 online shopping and it's like $20 shipping and handling, you're like, I'm not doing that. But you will add something $20 to your cart to get free shipping and not consider the same amount of money. So I was like, huh, I do that with shopping. Because I'm like, oh, yeah. But I'm also like, huh, I feel like I also have like little rules for like bookish math as well. So like for instance, if I can only find a book

4:13in a hardcover, I'll buy the hardcover. But then like, I'll be like, I don't really like reading hardcover. So I'll buy a copy on my Kindle. And be like, well, that's not money because it's the same book. But yeah. So that's an example. But I feel like my biggest one is that if I read during work, like on my lunch break or if like work is really slow and I all caught up in everything, I'll read a few chapters or something or whatever or like today, I got to read a lot because I couldn't work. That doesn't count as like if I read a shitty book that I don't like, it doesn't count as reading time because I'm technically getting paid to work. So that's my bookish math. Is that like, I don't really consider that to be like time wasted reading something that didn't work for me because I'm at work. It's not your free time. It's like that. That's a good one. Well, I, so there are some like audiobooks that I will pre-order now, especially if it's like,

5:20I know I love the narrator and the author, like I'll just go ahead and pre-order it. But then when it comes out, if I'm listening to it and it's just so good that I know that I'm going to want to like highlight quotes, I'll go ahead and get the like ebook version. But it feels like it's not the ebook version. It feels like the audiobook was free though because I've ordered it so long ago. And so now it just feels like I've spent the like eight to 12 dollars on the ebook version. And I'm like, I mean, it's like, I basically got the audiobook for free even though I did not. Oh yeah, I feel that. I feel that. Well, I had, well, two things. One, when we were just talking before we started recording, I was like, I don't really buy that many books, but when I do, I try to exclusively buy it like a, when I'm shopping in an indie bookstore. I'm like, well, I'm supporting an author and a local small business. So I feel like I'm just like giving to like

6:25a non-profit. So I feel like it's really like a good, a good deed. But then also for, for example, Libro FM, I will have a subscription. And then sometimes I'll just like buy a package of credit. But like, when I buy that package of credits, like after that, it's pretty money. Those are not money anymore. I'm just like, whatever credits here, credits there, whatever. Once you buy it, it's just like not money anymore. I don't know. That's something about it that just is like, well, these don't even just feel like they were just given to me. Yes. I know. It's the best. Yeah. I did that recently with them because I was like, I just want, I just want to have credits there. And now I just have free books there. That's like me when I go to like Canada, like my mom makes fun of me because I'm like, I'll take her out to lunch, right? And she'll be like, I can't believe it's like 50 something dollars for like two sandwiches and like a couple of diacolks. And I'm like,

7:28it's Canadian because there's an exchange rate. So like $50 Canadians, probably like 32 American. Yeah. And she's like, right, but you're still spending money. Like, like every time I'm like, it's Canadian. She's like, it's not monopoly money. Like it's totally out of your like, still coming out of your checking account. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I feel that. I also like clean this stupid thing. We're saying hand. I always clean this out all the time. Uh-huh. And I always like have to be like, okay, like, do I give up this book now? Because like, I need room for more bucks. And like, we'll really sacrifice some things. And I'm like, if I want to read this again, I'll just read it on my Kindle and like get rid of it. But then Ashley Winstead, Jessica Newell, Liz and Greg, like, who I have, like, hardcover, paperback, art copies of like all of their books. You're a completionist. Yes. And like, the new Elizabeth Arna, the secret lives of murder lives, like, I'm getting the UK cover as well. Like, I have to have

8:33like every edition of that book. Cause I love it so much. I want to look, because I didn't get approved for the audiobook. And it just came out today as we're recording. So that one is like, way up on my TBR. I remember you're talking about it, but I didn't know what you thought about it. So I probably would have gotten to that. Wow. There's because it's even historical fiction, guys. And so that's big coming from here. It's, it's got to be in my top five this year. Wow. That's okay. And I'm saving room for Ashley Winstead and Jennifer Hillier that I haven't read yet. So like, really, right now, it's in my top three. That UK covers amazing. I see why you want it. Yeah. Both covers are, oh my god, actually, they are both really great. Three here. Oh, there it is. I'm obsessed. I love this book so much. Oh, the one with the pool, the blue one with the pool. I love that one too. Yep. That's a fucking stutter. Yeah. That's a stutter. I don't even know what it is about it. I just love it. Like,

9:37it's just, it's perfect. The vibes, right? Like, so it was one of my favorite reading experiences I've ever had reading this book because I did not rush through it. I forced myself to like take breaks in between like a few chapters to like digest it. But it's like, it's sunny and it's warm and it's like California, like, during the day and then at night, it's like, everything's cooling off. It's creepy. It's scary. There's a killer on the loose like scary terrifying shit is happening in California. And you don't have the same resources that you had in the sixties that you had in 2026. And it's three women who are taking the case seriously. I love that. And it's a lot about how women are treated and viewed and not listened to. In 1966. And the not a lot changed in 2026. Yeah, that's what's okay. You know what's crazy is there is one rating on the audiobook

10:43on that galley. I just shot, shot my shot. And like, you requested it and we'll see what happens, but I probably won't get it. That's so interesting. I would gift it to you. Well, I have a bunch of credits. So yeah, because math is that when Gary wants to send you an audiobook, you just don't use your credit. I just saw, I can't remember who it even was, but I saw on someone's stories. They were like, thank God for my bookish friends. And it was like one of her friends knew she really wanted to listen to this book and that like, it was taking forever on the beach. So she just sent it to her. And I just like was in the mood where I almost started crying because I was just like, this is so nice. You know what's hard? You know what I wish you could like, I guess I don't know all in all the platforms like the logistics of sharing and gifting. Like I just need to get better at it because it's such a nice and easy thing to do. Yeah. I think you can just email it typically. Oh nice. When I want my friend to call to read a book that I recommend, I just

11:47Venmo her. I Venmo her like for like $15 for like the e-book so she can get on her Kindle. So you're such a good friend. So this we're talking about it because I started doing it and my friend who I did it for was like, this is so smart and I never thought of it. You can door-dash people that are like not yourself. Oh yeah, I did that with Steph too. I just totally forgot about it. And this little monster was sick in the hospital. I like to send me a door-dash and it was the nicest thing and I was like, that is such a great idea. It's like, so like I've never even been to her house. I just happened to know her address but literally anyone, when you door-dash her, nothing takes, which were all amazing. They're so good. Because I guess you have to know kind of like look up what places are near them. You like put in the delivery address and then it shows you every. I don't care. I don't know if I can ever do it for you. I'm sorry. There's nothing around

12:51me like door-dashes. They don't have door-dashes. It means snail mail slowly getting to you. They do in like some other towns over but like I'm like way out in the sticks. Can we reach or anything like super come by you? He's like out there on tree. Yeah, like I'm like all right I'll just drive the 15 minutes myself so like go like it's 25 minutes for me to go get a Taco Bell. That's probably a good thing. Fair point. Like you have to really want to go. Yeah, you have to really want it. That's why I usually just get it after I get my hair cut. You get my hair cut and I always get Taco Bell. But you get prime. Like do you get prime in like a certain number of days if you order something from Amazon or does it take longer? It's like usually two to three. I don't know. But I think that's just like the postal service and I don't think that's like me necessarily. Yeah. But also like very there's a lot of privacy. That's true. That part is nice. I think there's like someone's just having a day and you have

13:53another address. You can send them stuff via delivery services. That's so cool. And sometimes it's so awesome because sometimes you just need to know that someone else cares. Are those the little bun cakes that are like this and they're in the plastic and there's like a lot of different flavors. Yes. I heard from them on templates when they're that size. I had the two birthday party that had like the little little one. They have mini bun. They were good. But like when I tried this one, it was so fresh and it had like the cream cheese frosting. I was like it's the frosting. Yeah, I was like I think that I this is the best thing I've had in a really long time. Yeah. And I was like you know, I'm older too because I really like a lemon. I know. I was just going to say I love lemon stuff. I never if you're doing a raspberry one is too. We go to for work. We have like an office lunch every week. And it's always at the same place.

14:53It's just like cafe that's like really, really good. And they like it's family owned the youngest daughter like makes all the desserts and she's like phenomenal. But I've actually like I'm like what do you guys have today? And they're like oh, we have like they have like a lemon pound cake cookie. So good. But they like she makes the best lemon bars I've ever had in my entire life. And like whenever they're like oh, we have lemon bars. I'm like fuck yeah. Like I love that. I will take two of them. I fucking love lemon flavored shit. I'm such a fan of it too. But yeah, nothing bunk cakes. It's the fruit ones are the best ones. Lemon or some raspberry white chocolate. I like it better than any of the other ones. I also love like a specialty donut. Oh yes. We had this place called Dancing Donuts that was like that. It shut down during COVID. I mean sometimes we still talk about how we have not found a replacement of that quality.

15:57Wow. Get ready for me. I know. Because we're going to Harry's donuts. I am so excited. That's so exciting. Oh, some people don't know. I don't think we've talked about it here. Because I think I decided. Oh yeah. It's like I haven't talked about it here. But I am going to is it the Montreal Mystery Festival? Is that what it's called? Montreal Mystery Festival. Or just Montreal. I think so. With care. I mean I'm going my self I guess. But I'm going to finally meet care in person. And you're moderating a panel. You are? Yeah. Because you're you're got me hooked up. It's called like Glamour and something. But it's Olivia Warley and on Sophie French name. Yeah. What is it? Okay. On Sophie Genneau is what I'm saying. I would think that's very accurate. Okay. Yeah. So I think that yeah. So they have they both have books

17:02coming out. And then they both have like mystery slash suspense that has like Glamour elements to it. So that was the loose title of it. So I'm so excited. Gear got me connected. They it's so funny because they had reached out to me and they were like do you know anyone that's going to Montreal that you think would be like a good moderator? Oh yeah. It was the the last time we recorded. Yeah. And I was like I'm sorry. I don't I don't know who else is going. Yeah. And then like we recorded the episode and you were like fuck I'm going. And like I reached out to them and I was like not only do I know somebody who's going but like I know somebody who like does their own book podcast that like you need to have moderate and they were like this is fantastic. I'm so excited. Yeah. It was I forgot that that was the chain of yeah it's really the next day. I was like I've got to do it. Yeah. So I'm going to I'm going to travel internationally. I'm just going to go

18:03home on Monday or Sunday. Sunday. I think Sunday night. Yeah. Yeah. I think. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stuff might be there too. You never know. I will put a link in case any because like obviously you can go to it if you're a reader. We're not a reader but I don't know why you would go if you weren't a reader. So if it was nearby I will tag tag that. I would just like really long long layovers. Yeah. So I'm going to keep looking but like I don't know why it's like that. My number pretty they're not terrible. It was pretty decent. It was a lot cheaper than I expected. Oh really? Nice. Likewise. Yeah. I think a lot of people where I live instead of driving to the closest airport in the US will drive to the Montreal airport to fly places because it's cheaper. Okay. So that's part of it. Yeah. I know I have a layover somewhere but I can't remember where.

19:08I think I but I'm getting there like the night before so it'll just be a travel day. In my comfort stuff since gear also turn me into a comfort girlie. Oh my god. I'm being heavily influenced by gear. Like your life coach. I know. I'm like you're going to fall in love with Montreal. You're going to wear comfort. I really am. I might not wear these donuts. I don't know if we might say in Canada is what I've joked but why not? I would love to. I would kind of love to. You would fall in love with farm boy. It's the best grocery store in our entire world. It makes me happy to go inside of a grocery store. That's a high praise. That's my especially do you a pot too? Yeah. I think there's antidepressants in events because like I never feel like we're alive. I think make it worse right? Yeah. Yeah. Like I get it really bad in Walmart. Like I get really dizzy and I feel like I'm going to pass out. It feels like a jail like in in looks and then

20:14has that really fluorescent lighting. Yeah. I was thinking the same thing. I know and it's electrolytes is the funny thing. Like it's just electrolytes right now. I love it so much. But I got it. When did I get it? I got it a while ago or a really long time ago back when I was still making espresso because Tyler wanted the equivalent of a venti or is that the biggest one? Yeah. Tranta. I don't know. It's a 32 month one. So yes, it's very large. No. I get trained to black tea and lemonade. I don't know if I've even thought about that. Yeah. When you see a via mug form, it seems a lot bigger than just like the tall. Yeah. Drink. But yeah. We'll say I do love a nice grocery store. I don't always grocery shopping but like a nice grocery store can actually kind of call me. Yeah. It's like I'm a very cool concept when you can like the sushi station. You see them behind the counter making the sushi and like

21:20putting it out. And like the same thing with like the soup, the bakery. Like they're like you're walking up to the bakery and like the sourdough loaves that they make. Like they're just like shooting them out. Like you can see them like putting them through the cover. Like oh, I need you need to slice this or like you want it unsliced or you go and then like it's just like sometimes you grab it and it's still there. I think it's literally the Canadian Trader Joe's. Okay. Yeah. It's like more high, more like the service. Yeah. It's just pretty cool. Oh my god. It's like my happy. So yeah, I mean, I might I might not come back. I might stay in Montreal. I'd be happy to go there and visit you instead of Indianapolis. I mean, either way is fine but that's just yeah. But what about all the book events? We would have to go back to Indiana. You're right. Oh god. Seriously. Like your library is like fucking

22:21like I know I'm debating. I don't know if I don't know if I'm just gonna logistically it'll work out. But actually, we're gonna talk about our last current next reads. So this is a good segue. Oh yeah. The last one that I read. We do have a topic. Whoops. These are all bookish topics. Yeah. Kin by Ty Ari Jones was my last read basically. And she's gonna be in Chicago on the eighth. And I'm like trying to convince myself, but I don't know. Like I want to go. Yeah. We just have a lot going on. So, but thankfully, yes, my wild piece is having like Steve Kavanaugh Steve. Yeah. I did this sound wrong when I said it. It was sound room when I said it. And Jane Harper are like the next two that I'm really excited about. And the author of the book thief, which is like really I haven't read it, but it was one where like

23:22a lot of people read it in school. Oh yeah. About like book banning essentially, but in a I think in a fan to see a Jason way. Anyway, really big author. He's going to be there. And I'm like, good. Yeah, that's what it's called. But it's it's having like a 20 year. It's having a special edition come out that is like beautiful gold edges. So I think he's doing a tour for that. Nice. But yeah, we do have a topic too. Which one are we doing first? Starting last current next or current. Yeah. Yeah. I guess since I said last my last one. Yeah. So Ken by Ty Ari Jones, it was when I listened to and it is my favorite narrator for all time Angel Pean. And someone who is right up there in my top five now as well, Ashley J. Hobbes, were the narrators and they were fantastic. But the short synopsis, two motherless girls raised

24:25side by side in honey suckle Louisiana, steady, ambitious, Denise, and restless searching Annie, grow up bound by friendship, but shaped by very different wins. As Denise builds a polished life through Spelman and marriage into Atlanta's black elite, Annie's desperate quest to find the mother who had been in her pulse or into danger, forcing both women to confront how the past defines and threatens their futures. It is so emotional. I I cried a lot. What I've just been crying, I guess, is just my thing in the last month. But if you loved like the line women of Tyron, it is I'm finding I love stories that have like two like sisters or friends and like they start somewhere but like go different directions but stay connected. I think it's it's cool as like a story arc is what I'm kind of starting to realize because it does just show how like

25:28sometimes it shows how well you can both have so much in common and still just make different choices and it's okay. But yeah, it's just it's very emotional very emotional. It reminds me of is it what's the Brit Bennett book? That's what I was going to say the vanishing half is the other thing I put in my review. That made me so emotional. There's like something about people like sisters or like friends or something like when they like go their separate ways but they like never stop thinking about one another. Yes. It's very much like that and they just feel the characters feel so real. I will say I would consider this like literary historical fiction. That was something I kind of noticed once I got to the end of it. You're really just sitting with the characters like as they experience stuff. So it's like I think that and I saw someone in a review saying I wish I knew it was more literary. So now I'm I'm saying that I would I would consider it

26:30like very literary historical fiction. Does this make you want to read an American marriage now? Oh yes. Yes. I want to fit it in so bad ever since you said that and I'm like where are we going to fit it? Maybe on the way to Montreal. Yeah. I would be sure but then I can talk to you about it when I land. And I'll be like oh my god I love that book so much. I remember nothing. And you're like I don't even need years to go. I remember nothing. All I know is that like in my mind when I was reading it I was like this would be one of the best book adaptations I've ever witnessed in my life if they did. I'll tell you it wasn't. Yeah. Like Carrie Washington would be so fucking good. Yeah. Speaking of Brit Bennett, did either of you read the mothers? I haven't read that one. So I read the mothers first. I actually really loved it and that was like the first time I read a book like that where it was like kind of more of a like I don't know just like so emotional.

27:32There was something about it that I'm like wow. I do want to read it. It was like very addictive contemporary fiction. Okay. Yeah. I've seen it. You would appreciate the subject matter Kate. Girls. You grew big. I think is what I've seen it compared to you. It just came out really good last year. It was Brit Bennett writing another book because she had another book since vanishing half. I don't think she has. No. Looks like she wrote maybe co-wrote a YA with someone. Oh no illustrator. So a kid children's book in 2022. But yeah, not adult fiction since 2020 with the vanishing half. I mean no pressure. Yeah. I mean I do need I want to read the mothers. The vanishing half is always going to be special for me too because it was like the second or third audiobook that I listened to where I was like oh wow audiobooks are work for me and I was listening to it on my way to see Julie Clark with you in Chicago. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah.

28:37That's a cool way to like relate stories in that. Yeah. Yeah. It was like one of one of the ones that sold me on audiobooks. That's so interesting. I didn't realize it was that recent that you had read it now. Yep. When you're like I think I might need I might dip my toes into not only a different format but like a whole world. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Wow. That's funny too because I think Brit Bennett was one of the first authors that I had read. That was not a thriller. Yeah. That's kind of what it was for me too. It was my first. I think I'll see that person for like all of us. That's a great. That's a testament to how much we want her. Yeah. Great. Been it. Right. Yeah. If you're listening, if anyone knows her is listening and she is working on another book, we would all love to talk to her about it. I need to read. I would like kind of want to reread the mother's because I like read it probably seven plus years ago. Yeah. That's 10 years ago.

29:45Was it a book of the month because I know the vanishing half was book of the month and that's how I got it. I think it was. I'm not sure. I have it downstairs. I don't know. I have it somewhere. I don't know. I don't want to look to those shelves right now. Yeah. They're always your last book. Oh my god. Well, okay. Yeah. I think you need my last three bucks because I read a trilogy. Oh. That works. And holy mother of God. I'm obsessed with Audrey J. Cole. Oh, yeah. So no shade. I read Stillhouse Lake. Everybody loves it. And I was like, you know what? This just like didn't work for me the way that I thought it was going to. And then I picked up the final hunt by Audrey J. Cole and my life was changed. So this is my pick up. It's all

30:47it's an omnibus. It's all three of them. This is my bookish math. I thought that this was a box set. And it's an omnibus. And I was like, this hurts my hands to hold. So I got all three of them on my kennel. Yeah. And I pulled through those little fuckers too. They're so good. My only hindrance with this series is it's the final hunt, the last hunt, and then the first hunt. Okay. Well, that's okay. So the final hunt is book one. The last hunt is book two. And then the first hunt is the prequel. Now on this, it says the first book is the first time than the final hunt than the last hunt. I read the prequel last because I read them in publication day or night. I think reading the prequel last, everything I needed it to be. Yeah.

31:47Everything I need. And I'm usually like, I'll skip a prequel kind of guy. No, no, I'm a skip of the prequel kind of guy. If I read like, if I read like a book or two and then they're like, oh, now there's going to be a prequel. I'm like, I already know how everything ends. Right. Except for the one we read together. Oh, is that the free man? Free man. Yeah. Me. First Alina. Yes. I remember that KTT episode. If we like roughening early so hard. Um, dare I say the prequel to this series, the first hunt, even better. Even more disturbing. Oh, there was something that happened in this that I was like, I don't know if I want to continue. Like I think that I might just be like, I'm going to dip out. So fucking good. Wow. Um, so the final hunt by Audrey J. Cole is about Cameron. Um, so her husband

32:50is attacked by a bear and a hunting accident. And they find like a ton of his blood, but like nobody. And so when she's visiting the cabin that they have together, she finds this SD card with really disturbing pictures of women on it. Like being stalked, being murdered. Other stuff. So she takes it to the detective and the detective is like basically like, you know, I want to be honest with you. Like there's this serial killer called the teacher killer who murders the teacher every summer. And we have been looking into your husband. We thought that he was the this prolific serial killer in Seattle for like years and years. And now he's dead. But like this pretty much proves that our theory was right. And then the more she starts to learn about who her husband truly was, the more she's like, I wonder if he's really dead or not. And it's like a lask and wilderness meets like survival, meets like serial killer. Um, like,

33:54you don't know what to trust. Nordic noir. Ask. No. Okay. Just the setting is. Yeah. It's very much like if you like still house lake, I think you'll really like this. But it's just like she's in Alaska compared to like, okay, Tennessee or wherever it was. Yeah. It was so good. It was so so so so good. Um, I won't say what this equals about the last hunt. And then the first hunt, which is the prequel, is her. Is he alive? Her husband's childhood. Oh, what turned him into a serial killer. Wow. And there's like things in like the first two books that are like mentioned, they're like this case from the 80s. This happened in like the early 90s. And like, then the book starts off in 1985 with this like case. And you're just like going along with it. And it's very like 80s Seattle, like, just creepy. It's so so so good.

35:01Yeah, I think I would want that last. Yeah. Yeah. I think so too. You know what's interesting. Okay. No surprise here. Sidebar. I, AJ, like wakes up really early sometimes and he'll like watch something. And he was like, I think you should watch this movie with me. And I was like, what is it? And he's like weapons, which I know what like assumed it was bad. Well, I just was like, it's not this horror movie, which I'm like, I'm not really good at horror as like sometimes, I can like read scarier things better than watch scary things. I get that. And so he's like, but I think it was really cool because like the way the perspectives were like, I just really like the structure of the book. And I was like, okay, the minute it was over, I was like, I need an origin story of the villain. And then I like saw that there's one coming out. I think we always

36:05weapons. Who's the, the witch? Madigan and glass. Yes. Gladys. There's a there's a prequel coming out of Gladys. Yeah. And so I think there always was going to be. But when you look at the comments of Gladys, so many people are like, why are they doing this? Well, and I was like, I immediately needed to know why. I immediately needed to know. But I think one of the things about horror is like, I think there's some people that are like, but you don't need to know why it just is scary. And I was like, this is a writer reason saying that comment. It was actually ended up saying that when people would complain about it with weapons. So it's kind of interesting that he's still doing it. But like, there is that because he was even like, you didn't need to know for this part of the story. And sometimes you're like, but I want the characters fascinating. I know. There's a difference when you're like, like almost like this guy, right? Like, yeah, when you find out the stuff you did, you're like, that was actually so interesting. And I'm so glad I read it. Right. I get, I don't know, because I'm like, I'm going to give me more Gladys.

37:07I want to know where she came from. I was so happy that she won an actor. I think she won an actor. She did her little Aunt Gladys run one on the stage. I know. I know. I don't know if anyone's ever watched Uncle Buck, but like, that was my introduction to any mad again. And I look so much. Oh my god. Uncle Buck's the best. Yeah. Kate, if you, if you have to watch Uncle Buck, you'll give in to your like, it's so funny. Like his scenes with like McCulloch and it's like a guy who, like, should not be around children being forced to be around children. It's still not giving a fuck. Like, oh, my god. Yeah. Like, it's so fun. Yeah. She was from this. Yeah. But it's also really interesting how like, I think that the character was so interesting, but I also think the look really made her it. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, what did have been as like wild if she didn't look like that? It adds to it totally. Like that wig,

38:14are you saying? Well, you also like, the thing that I found really interesting is like, you would think when like, somebody's like a witch and they're doing bad things and they're trying to hide from people that they would have like a very ordinary look to like, fly under the radar and Ian Glass didn't got to give a fuck. No, she didn't. She was like, I'm chopping these little red bangs and putting on the biggest purple glasses I can find and like, remember when I felt like I had micro bangs and I really did it. And I was just freaking out. I think that's before my time. I only wanted like, like, like, like, like, coordinate cocks. I swear. I'm so short, but like, if I see my eyebrows, it all of a sudden feels like my bangs are so short. Like, she thought that they were getting shorter as the episode went on. And I thought they were looking longer as the episode went on. And then like, I was like, are we accidentally gaslighting each other?

39:15For YouTube people, I'll find a picture of it. There's, um, there's like a TikTok that I see of like, people who like try to cut their bangs. Oh man. There's one girl. I swear to God when she caught her bangs, she starts like screening. And they keep getting shorter every time she like does something. And like, there were so many people in the comments that are like, are the bangs getting shorter? And like, am I just going crazy? But like, like, at first, I was like, oh, they're like a little short and then like, they're up here. And then like, all of a sudden, they're like up here. Like, they're just like, yes. I had a fucking dream last week that all of my hair was cut off. Oh man. I was pissed. It was terrible. But I woke up in it. Like, cut off to the here or like, bust for almost bust. Oh my god. Did you watch I know you did last summer? Is that why? I know. That happens and I know what you did last summer. And it's like horrifying.

40:19Yeah. Why do I not remember? I don't know what made it come up. But when I was, um, I don't remember that step. I was going, which character? There was no color. I was going to say, was it her? But yeah, she has this beautiful long blonde hair and it was like, oh, that's what you're known for. And then she goes to sleep and she wakes up and she like goes to put her hand through her hair. And like, it's like, he had like, chopped her hair off in her sleep. Oh, yes, that I remember. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. I'm going to do it. Well, what have you been reading stuff? Speaking of redheads or at least on the cover of, um, I recently finished Mad Mabel by Sally Hepworth. Oh, yeah. And I have seen like not, okay, I'll be honest. I bricked my phone so like, I don't have my Instagram on much anymore. Um, but I, you can buy this thing where you like tap your phone and it can like, you can customize it to turn off all your social media apps. And you can't turn it back on until you go tap your phone

41:22on it. So you're like, oh, you're yourself. So you like physically can't get it back unless you go to the room where your brick is kept and you tap it. So it's like, helped me be more pretty. It's Wisconsin entrepreneurs, right? Yeah. That's what I thought. And it's actually like very peaceful, but I haven't seen many reviews surprisingly, actually. But I saw some mixed ones and I'm like, what the f? Because you know, I love Sally Hepworth. Highly recommend audio if you are an audio person, because this has one of my favorite plot devices of like a crotchety old woman who like melts a little bit because of the like, extroverted little girl across the street who like will not leave her alone. And their relationship is so funny and sweet. But also you find out that like Mabel's old-ass 90-something-year-old neighbor dies. And something about Mabel's, her name is LC these days. LC's, uh, neighbor dies. And people are like, aren't you mad Mabel?

42:26Did you kill him? And then you kind of go back into her past and find out like why, why she was like hiding under a different name. Ooh. So, um, this sounds, I really haven't read like the whole synopsis. Yeah, it's, it's good. I like, like, it was very emotional at the end. I like cried for sure. There's like a really strong female friendship element. Um, really like shitty family situation, but also like, the little girl is like Elsa. And she's like, my name is LC. And she's like, but I love Frozen. And she's like, I don't care. And then she's just like, this really cute relationship. I had like a lot of boxes checked for me. That was, I'm excited for that one. Yeah, too. I have it via audio as well. Yeah, but I have an arc, because I'm not an audio. Well, I'll say this about the audio that finally happened. And I wrote it in my publisher notes

43:27on net galley. Very rarely do they put the author's note on an on an audiobook. Oh, really? Yes. I've noticed that a lot. And like people will be like, oh, the author's note was like so good. And I'm like, I didn't even hear it. Or like, it wasn't on my version. It just goes and credits. Oh, like when it's the net galley audiobook. It might be neck galley. It might be liby. Like, I'm not sure, but I just get really mad because like a lot of times there's no makes me like love a book more. Oh, I know. Oh, are you okay? Are you dying? Right. Uh oh. Uh oh. I marked a clip, but I'm sorry. Well, it's okay. I started choking and I didn't want to interrupt. So I tried to, I tried to hit the I tried to hit the mic thing and I hit mark clip instead. And I was like, well, no forever when it happened.

44:28I have to turn a light on. Yeah, that's. I know. It got really dark for you. They're dark raining you too. Yeah. I know. I was like, am I going crazy? No, I was like, where are you? Give me a little book, Linky. I'm doing it in the end. Glad us as we speak. Don't get your asks for your hair. Don't give it. Whew. Well, I'm really excited for Mad Mabel too. You just. I am so pumped for it. Yeah, and it was really happy. So bad. Wait, didn't you see Sally happy? There's still coming to you. Oh, in April. So I think I'll probably listen to it in April, mostly. What's the date? Um, I think you, I think we discovered the, I don't think I can go. I have book club, don't I? Yes, I think that's what we discovered. Um, one of the ones that I run. Oh, I get that.

45:36Um, here it is. She is here. Oh, the 20 something. Yeah. Mother trucker. Why can't you just push the date back for your book club? It's in advance. I, so like I always do it. Everybody wants my, like, schedule of my life. We kind of have like A and B weeks in our house. Oh, yeah. It's on like, um, like custody schedule and stuff. So I always have it on like a certain day of the week of, like, a certain way. So it would get like shifted that it's either like way too close to the last book club or way too close to the next book club. Um, just because like everything that it's monthly part of it all. Yeah. Mm hmm. So, um, in April, when I did about the dates for the entire year, so I just was kind of like, if I'm going to be that girl that free, free plans, I'm going to like follow through. Yeah. I would be like, sorry guys. I'm really sick. I'm eating

46:37Sally Hepworth and she's the only one. Well, also I can maybe say like, does anybody want to go to Sally Hepworth instead of book club? Oh, that would be kind of a hike to be like, does everyone want to go to Indianapolis? Yeah, that's true. For like 20 people. Well, it's April 27th, um, for anyone who is in Indiana or wants to drive in Indiana, uh, which will not be many people. I guess you were else. She's going actually. I want to get those fucking bunks and go see. I need to like somehow bring them to you. Oh my god. Well, I'll do my current one and it was so cool that you mentioned Listen Greg at the beginning of episode because I saw that Greg, Greg wants, um, went to the like, uh, pub day, like author events for this one. And I hadn't even heard of it. And it just sounded, it just sounded fun. It's

47:39called The Midnight Taxi by Yosha Gunas Akira. Um, at 28 directionless and grieving, Siri Wathy at Pereira spins her nights driving a cab through New York City, clinging to true crime podcasts and the life she wants imagined until she finds a passenger murdered in her back seat. Suddenly the prime suspect, Siri teams up with sharp public defender, Amaya Fernando, to unravel the truth in just five days, racing across the city to clear her name before her own story ends in a courtroom. It is just like, it's very, I've only, I'm listening to it. I've only listened to like maybe 10% but the opening is very strong. Like, um, like a murder legitimately happens while she's driving someone somewhere. So like really thinking of like, what would you do if you, and I mean, like, this is, it's in the synopsis. You like,

48:41open the door, um, at the airport. And the guy is sitting there with a knife through his heart. And like, I'm just like, I'm just already trying to even figure it out. So the premise is really fun. And he really enjoyed it. So, I think there's, um, there's something really interesting to me about how a lot of readers will like, say negative things about some thrillers because they're like, an ordinary person who's not a detective wouldn't do this to take on their own. So I think it's really interesting that like the author's way of kind of like avoiding that or putting a spin on it as to be like, this is somebody who's obsessed with your cry. Yes. And this is not just like, because I read a book recently. Right. But I did not like, because I was like, there's no way this fucking housewife can like barely put two and two together. And function is going to take on like this like

49:42wild search in the dark for something. Right. So I think it's really interesting that like, but if it was a true crime junkie. And it's kind of like, I can already see what like what you're saying. It's like prominent from the beginning that she's like driving around listening to all of these because she's just driving all day. And so there's that element. And then there is, oh, then there's the element that she knows the city so well because she drives it all the time. Yeah. So I think it's going to be very like, very New York City like as a character is kind of the vibe I'm getting to. So that it is a cool concept. Yeah. I love the title. I know you too. It's listed. I just saw it says cozy mystery. I can see that because it's I don't get the feeling it's going to be like extremely dark. But I don't know if I would completely call it cozy either from what I listen to, but it's not, it's not bleak feelings. What was the title again?

50:47Oh, sorry. What was the title again? Oh, the midnight taxi. Oh, yeah. I feel like I just read something that like wasn't super violent. I really loved it, but I can't remember what it was. I feel like I swear I do sometimes. I'm like balancing out the nonfiction. I'm reading. And I was like, this sounds, this sounds like the fun one to listen to. A good palette cleanser. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's look what you made me do by Lane Murphy. Like I loved how much I laughed at that book because of how bitchy the sister was. Yes. I think that's what it is. Like we're sometimes cozy mystery makes me think like baking. Yeah. It just like makes me to get that. But it's like there are these little sub genres of like kind of funny murder she wrote. Yes. Yeah. I could see, I could see it being comped to like only murders in the building to vibe wise. So yeah. And in history lessons, it's reminded me of how much I loved history lessons by

51:52Zoe B. Walbrook, but I wouldn't necessarily call it cozy either. So yeah, there's my intense analysis. Yeah. That's just spectrum of like thrillers and mysteries that it's not necessarily like baking. Yeah. Well, I think that's why like it's so fun for us to do this podcast, but it's also like interesting for people to listen to it because like if I saw cozy mystery, I would be like nobody's keeping this, but like Katie and like it says cozy mystery, but it doesn't feel like the blueberry muffin. I only know about it because Greg posted about it. So it's like all those like fun. So it's nice to like get a perspective from somebody who's like, I know it's going to say cozy mystery, but it doesn't say cozy mystery. Yeah. Yeah. Mine is my current one. I'm kind of cheating because I'm starting after the podcast, but I don't have anything in my hands. Otherwise, this is not a cozy mystery. I'll tell you this sounds like

53:03it's going to be pretty dark. I'm going to be picking up the missing sister by Jocelyn Jackson. I just saw like an alert that she had that come out. Yeah, it sounds so good, but it sounds really dark, but it also sounds maybe maybe it could be good for her book. I don't know. So Penny and Nix were twins who were as close as could be growing up until the day that Nix died in an accident after college. Five years later, Penny is working as a rookie cop and just arrived to her first murder scene. The victim is none other than one of the three men. Penny has blamed for Nix's death. The killer appears to be a blonde woman holding a box cutter who reveals to Penny that his murder is part of a larger story about sisters and then she disappears. Now Penny has to find the woman and try to figure out what her connection could be to not only Penny, but Nix as well. I just got like the Amazon email that it came out and I was like, I didn't even know she had one coming out.

54:04Her name's spelled Josh. Well, I have her like I have her. No, there it is. It's like listed like 20th of all of her books. That's what's weird because I typed out leasing. Good reeds. There's such losers. All right, no. Story graph is pretty amazing. I'm posting me off lately too. I move something to my currently reading to my finish and it's like next time swipe. But when I do, but when I swipe it and say that I'm finished, it doesn't show up on my finish box. Oh, well, that's more. And like next time fix your app instead of trying to boss around bleak bellings. It's not going to happen. Yeah, probably some fucking man trying to tell me what to do. I've never read a book by her actually. I think I've read like one or two and I really like I like storytelling. I loved never have I ever never have I ever. That sounds right. Yes, I was I

55:07still think about that one and how much fun I thought it was. It is toxic. Friend shit, but you can't tell who that one who is actually toxic. Oh, that's fun. Wait, what does it call that mean? Never have I ever. I hope I don't think that gives it away. That doesn't give anything away. I don't think so. Here's one of those things too. We're like someone like this one woman has like a kind of picture asked family life. And then at her book club, I think it's a book club. This like hot stranger comes in who's all cool and sure of herself. And she has she has something on her and instigates it with never have I ever game. Oh, interesting. It was really good. Isn't the hot friend kind of like Bohemian. Very. Yeah. Bohemian. It kind of gave um it kind of gave

56:11little fires everywhere vibes. Yes. I would agree. The two like the differences in their lifestyles and stuff. Yeah. Oh, that one was really fun. For me to remember that that's got me a seller because I have a worse memory. I know if it I read it in 2019. So that was so long ago. And I it's when I still think about as one of the like I think because it's it was unique the way she executed it. And I still think about it. Maybe I'll listen to that one sometime. I had to see I need to listen to the secret lives of murder's wives. I need to apparently listen to a trilogy and an American marriage and an American marriage. I'm just gonna keep a list for you. I keep a list for Nicole. Yeah. When she's like, okay, I'm ready for a book. I'm like, okay, here you go. Here's what I love that. So I'm just gonna do it. I should do it for you because I feel like I don't think that you take advantage of me, but I feel like I'm being taken advantage of by being like, hey, I need you to read this book. It's gonna change your

57:11life. And then I forget what the book is. So I don't remind you to consistently, you know, so I'll just have to have like get to this one. These are the books that I need to force Kate to read before I die. I'm gonna have a care monthly book. There's gonna be like, that is such a good idea. Billings book box sometimes. That is such a good idea. Or you're just gonna arrive to Montreal and there's gonna be like a suitcase full of books. You're like, yeah, just check it back. Like, here you go. I was like, just make your own like shelf on Goodreads or like a tag on Kate's story. You're like, here you go. This is the whole list. But I like the box better, like a surprise. It would be so funny. That would be so fun. But then she wouldn't be able to read an audiobook. Well, maybe it's one of my little book box. But I would want to like make like a theme. Yeah, like an envelope in it of like, here's your, I could also still listen to it and have the book

58:12trophy. It is our own option. True. True. Like, you're sending it to me. So these are my Spotify hours this month. This is a good idea. It is a good idea. It might be on to something. It's a funny concept to like have something where you basically tell someone one book they're going to read. Like, you're still recommending thinking they'll like it. But it's like a different take on it. It's also kind of perfect. Like, maybe this could be my calling to like not be an onboarding specials anymore. Because if there are two things I love in the world, it is, well, three, there's a themed box. Oh my god. Two, talking about a book that I love very much and and passionate about and three telling people what to do. I know. You were meant to have Billings book box. I will make you a website. I'm going to be on that. I'm going to be on good morning America. I like some, like, some people like being told to read because they don't want to

59:13pick it. I think it's interesting for us who like kind of have our list of like what's coming up next. Right. I think it's cool that like to be like, okay, I'm giving one of my, one of my treasured spots to the book box. Yes. I love that. Oh my gosh. I don't know if I have a. That's like way. That's like you. I don't know if I'm reading anything currently. No, I read. I started one book and then I got my hold came in from the library. So for the first, I think it's the first time. I have like my morning physical book and then I have my evening Kindle book by my bed. Oh, um, because I'm not. I like don't know if I want to DNF it. Like I'm into it sometimes and I'm not into it other times. Yeah. My Kindle book right now. Um, anyway, so I think Kate read this one. I'm currently reading Sundown Girls by Alice Rat. And she wrote, um, not so perfect strangers and

1:00:14the, you a godmother says you a godmother says, yep. And a few other ones. Yeah. Yeah, this one is YA. I think, but it like hasn't I, I've not had any issues with the YAness of it. Um, I would compare it to like, uh, just complete, ace, ace of space. Oh, ace of space. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this one, it says it's like a character driven suspense seeked in racial history reckoning and a haunting atmospheric sense of danger. Like, I would say that like there's this girl, her family is vacationing in this kind of like new cabin in Virginia in the, is that the smokies around there? I think it's Appalachian. Yeah. Um, and she's kind of finding out based on some like statues and like books she picked up that it could be a sundown town, which is bad news for folks of color. Um, historically, that means

1:01:24that like once the sun goes down, you're not really supposed to be there anymore. You would likely heard of it. Yeah. I extreme violence is very how it creases. Kind of like the purge. Yeah. Don't let the sun go down. Yeah. So there's some missing girls, um, and the main character, she's kind of like, I think I may, I see a connection between the missing girls, but of course no one's listening. So I'm trying to figure out what's gonna, I mean, I don't know if I'm figuring out, I'm just rolling with it, seeing what's gonna happen. It's, it has kind of like, uh, touristy town, but horror. So it's like kind of like creepy that way too, where it's like everything just like seems like. And she kind of sees like, uh, there's like a potential paranormal element. So, really, really, really, really, really, really good. Oh, nice.

1:02:29I will say I read a hundred pages in the first sitting. That's a lot. I loved it. I don't really burn through it. Yeah. And you can hear my interview with her. I'll link it in the show notes. Oh, yay. Um, I wasn't saying like, you have to go listen to this. Oh, no, I was just saying yay that it exists. Yeah. That's like, I'm not gonna fucking listen to that. I, um, I really want to read this. I think you would enjoy it. Yeah. There's some YA bucks that I'm like, you'll love the end. Guess who won a giveaway of the new Megan Lally? You did. I was just thinking of Megan Lally when you said YA for you. Yeah. Wait, yes, I did. Is it a vacation one? It's an open water one. I know that because to enter the giveaway, you had to say what the one thing that scares you the most about open water is. Really? And apparently she liked my answer because I won. What did you say? I said the thing that scares me about open water is that I can go into it with two legs and come

1:03:33out with none. That is a fantastic answer. There you go. But they're like a lot of like YA bucks. What we did to survive. Yeah. It has like a little um, life saver on it. Yep. Yeah. Um, there's some YA books and I really want to read. I want to read this Ella Strann one. Um, I want to read Final Cut by Olivia Warley. Her new YA bucks sounds really good. Um, I don't know. This, this felt like YA to me. But stuff actually, um, inspired me to pick up a book called Breakneck Bay by Faith Gardner. Oh, yeah. That was so fucking wild. I like- My first like sitting, I read like 50% of it on like a work night and I was like this never happens. Yeah. It was really, really entertaining. Like 80s like theme park.

1:04:36It's kind of running. Well, I don't know. All of these are somewhat similar. Well, it's YA too, um, the Ilamar Giles. Oh, get away. No, get away. Get away. I just saw someone reviewed it recently and I was like, damn, that was like really good. There's that same like green bee theme park YA dystopia. They're all loosely adjacent. Yeah. I love the full park. You what? I'm really, I'm realizing I love a theme park in the thriller. I know. There really are quite a few because there's Jennifer Hilliers too. Two Jennifer Hilliers now. Right. Yeah, because there's the Carnival and her upcoming one. Yeah. Interesting. I'm gonna be really surprised if there's not a lot of Easter eggs in her new book. I just feel like I want to read all of her books all over again before I read the new one because I'm a little psychopath and I love her so much. You should.

1:05:41I want to get a silhouette of her hair as like a tattoo. Because I always like every time she posts a picture, I'm like, you look like a Pantene Probe model. Yeah. Yeah, she does. She does. Excuse me. Her is amazing. Well, I have a YA segue. Yay. I love this. I know. So it just came out today. So I'm gonna be starting it soon. I might even, it might even become a current read if I'm reading multiple, but it's called When I Was Death by Alexis Henderson. And she is Academy for Liars. The book that I've not been able to shut out a pop-out since like 2025, 2024. I can't even remember, but for a long time. But this is her, I don't know if this is her first YA because I think some of her backless might be, but it's YA. Um, Roslyn Vogue isn't herself anymore. It's been a year since her sister, Adeline, died in the woods under mysterious circumstances. And Roslyn is still tormented by her absence.

1:06:44So in the elusive care van of girls, the Adeline spent her summer with rolls back into town, Roslyn joins them to finally figure out what happened to her sister. Strange, beautiful and intriguing, the girls are closed off from the world. And as it turns out, they're brought together by a force more sinister than Roslyn's nightmares could have conjured. Death itself, himself, because of course death is he. Death has spared the girls from untimely endings and to pay for their lives. The girls travel the country, reaping souls on his behalf. Now Roslyn must decide if finding closure is worth the price of striking the same deal. God damn that sounds good. I know, especially with how much I already am obsessed with her writing. And the cover is so cool. Like it's kind of like a skull made out of like trees kind of. And so I, it makes me feel like there's going to be a nature element from the cover.

1:07:47What's the name again? When I was death by Alexis Henderson. Oh my gosh. And then I have to, I should say this part too. I just saw her sub-stack post today. And she'd had this book idea and worked on it for a couple of years and felt intimidated by the amount of grief the character would need to feel. And so she kept putting it away. And then her mom was diagnosed with a terminal illness and died two month in like a two month period when they were not expecting it. So she returned to this book to like get through her own grief. And she's like, so that's what this book is for me. And I was like, oh my god. So I'll also link that sub-stack article because I thought that was pretty. I like comment. I was like, well, this is making my reading of it even more impactful. Right.

1:08:48So my gosh. Okay, speaking of personal history going into a book. I just saw that also speaking of Faith Gardener earlier, did you see her new book coming out is about her grandmother? No. It has a cover that looks like very like mad wife adjacent. And it's about her grandmother was diagnosed with schizophrenia and like was but like went through a lot of shit. And like it's kind of like rewriting her story. And I was like, my gosh, that's so sad and also sounds like a really good book. Wow. So I feel like when there's a personal element, people just like brush it. Right. The spin? The spin. It's on her, it's like first on her Instagram right now. Oh wow. That is that is a fucking gorgeous cover. I know. Oh wow. Guys, I'm just going to read for the rest of my life. I can't tell everything else.

1:09:55Oh my god. I was like, Tam, you know, that I love getting riled up about how women of the era were treated in all the eras, but that era a lot. Yeah. It was the beginning of the boom ring we are experiencing. Great. I don't have a thing. I can't. I can't. I gotta go. I gotta go. From wind suppression. Actually, similar to Faith Gardener, I actually have, can you tell that it's 6-0-1 and somebody usually eats that six. Oh my god. I'm a little fucking monster. He got his hair cut today, so he thinks that he deserves like more treats. And he like came like running in with his grumpy little look on his face and like

1:10:56sham rock boat bandana around his neck. He's so sweet. I read a book for the Sarah Fina Nova Glass. I read my first book by her this past year. And I was like, it's called On a Quiet Street. It was so good. It was so good. And I actually like looked her up and started reading the synopsis of all of her other books. And I was like, that's my goal this year. I'm going to read every book in her back list. So my next one is called The Vanishing Hour. And it sounds so good. It's about a woman named Grace. And we all know that all great books have characters that name start with G. So Grace narrowly escaped death when she got away from this guy who kidnapped her. And then she escapes to Maine where she runs like a little inn. And she enjoys the quietness of

1:11:57the offseason and just like trying to like stay off the radar. But then her past goes back to haunt her when someone begins taking young women who look exactly like she looked when she went missing. And she finds herself like in the center of the investigation. But it's one of those things where she's like holding something back that could like change the trajectory of like the entire thing if she like told it. So I love that. Like having somebody that's like kidnapping people that looked just like you when like something horrible happened. And it's like in the same town that you like live in. And then being like, Oh, I have like the secret. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. I think it's just going to be so good. I think it will be. She's like, I feel like I see her more now. I feel like she's showing up with more. I see so much about her like back list. And like when people it's her.

1:13:02I didn't realize how extensive it was. And then I started seeing more of it. Yeah. There's like it's her and Claire Douglas are the ones that I want to read all of this year because there's a nuclear Douglas out. And I keep hearing it's like fantastic. And it's like a woman who like overhears her neighbors talking about a crime that they could have committed. And then like it's like secrets and suburbia and yeah. I love that. It's got a house on the cover. The wrong sister. The new neighbors. I think it's called. Oh, okay. Oh, one of my friends just started getting into reading. And she read the wrong sister by Claire Douglas. And was like, I think this is the kind of book I like. I don't remember anything. I don't remember anything about it. But there was like the one where like the girls like gone to a car accident and like only one walked away. And like the other three like completely vanished. That was so wild. That was a really

1:14:05good one. And I gave that one to my mom's best friend, Patty. Because Patty likes to read. And Patty was like that book was so good. Kathy, tell me. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Isn't there one about like a couple moving into a house and they find like body parts too? I haven't read it. But I remember I like was about to read it. All right. I'm not sure. I mean, I have a list of her and Seraphine and Nova Glass. And like that is what I'm going to be doing. Because I also like love to like hunt down books too. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yep. Get them in your sights. Mm-hmm. Okay. Um, oh, you guys. Okay. So I just got to prove. Oh, you guys. Oh, you guys. So I'm thinking about my next one. So one I have to actually read because the pub date is March 10th. So that will be the one. However, I did just I never got approved or denied for Caitlin Mullins new book. I just got. So I just got to be the audio.

1:15:05Through my request for the regular book, I kind of wanted to read it. Sometimes when I read a read or listen to an author, I want to do like the same. Yeah. Next one. So it's kind of bummed. They never approved me. But I was like, oh, Harper or I'm making an audio. We have a chef. So I'm excited for that one, but that's not the one I'm going to talk about. Yeah. So I just got to prove. Wow. I'm just excited, but it doesn't come up. I'm glad you're excited. Awesome. I've been approved me for the ebook. Come on. I agree. Like, why did you leave me hanging? Oh no, we're not going to be able to stop. I don't even know really what was funny, but I like you. You just said so much. So much that we thought you were going to talk about Heather by Caitlin Mullins. You're like, that's not the book. That's not my book. Oh, that's awesome. And it would

1:16:10be because I do think that Caitlin Mullins needs all the hype she can get, but it's not going to be until June. So she's got time. Yeah, you're right. I marched. Oh my god. Also, an author I have loved another book by her is called The Two Deaths of Lillian Carmichael by Paulette Kennedy, who wrote The Devil and This Is That. And so that's actually what I'm going to be talking about. And you guys, I'm getting maybe some vampire vibes. Oh, um, but condemned for her sister's murder in 1853 South Carolina, Lillian Carmichael is mistakenly declared dead after collapsing on the way to the gallows and is buried in her family's mausoleum. When she wakens, awakens and escapes, she hides in low country marshes and begins reinventing herself with the help of an actress skilled in creating new identities. As rumors spread that Lillian has returned from the grave in a series of blood-drained murders, terrifies Charleston. She

1:17:14must uncover the real killer and the dark secrets of her own family. Oh, my god. I was like, that sounds really good. That's very good. So I read The Devil and Mrs. Davenport, loved it. I read another book by her, which I did enjoy, but it was just like a totally different vibe, like just very kind of like gothic haunted house haunted paintings, like just so different. So I'm, I have no idea where like where this is going what this is going to land, like where and style what the land. But I don't know. We'll see. I'll try to get it done pretty soon though. Okay, get started. 251 pages though. That's nice. I will take it. I know. That Jocelyn Jackson that I have that I'm picking up is like very short. I noticed that too. It's a 250. Nice.