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I never saw field of dreams.

Scotty put it up.

And he's like, I was like, yeah, let's watch this.

I never saw.

Like, it's, yeah, have you seen it?

And did you, so he built it, you came.

Yeah.

Really nice, Jason.

What did you think of it, Sean?

I thought it was so good.

I thought the tone was really good.

I thought.

Oh, don't need a detailed review.

Yeah, well, I thought it was, first of all,

I didn't, I didn't know what it was.

I mean, I've seen clips about, clips of it like over the decades.

So I kind of had an idea and I, of course,

know the phrase, build it and he will come whenever.

But I never, I've ever seen it.

Oh, we got to watch it.

It's really, really, you'd watch it for a second time.

I would.

Wow.

Watch it.

Have them over to your theater, JB.

Yeah.

So you've never seen it, Jason.

I don't think I have.

No.

I don't know if I've ever seen a major league.

And I don't know if I've ever seen.

Boulderham.

Boulderham, basically.

Well, this is it.

Yeah, you're baseball crazy.

Yeah.

I know I've seen the natural about you.

Boulderham is excellent.

Yeah.

I've never seen any of those.

I love Boulderham.

Maybe I'll just see a little clips of it on social media.

Yeah.

And it just beats it.

Oh, that's a good way to do it.

Like my kids, you like kind of 20 seconds at a time.

Yeah.

The kids are eating stuff.

What do you guys think about?

What do you guys think about that?

They're making those little clips.

Now, isn't there like one minute episodes now of stuff?

Have you heard about this?

That was it?

Maybe on 2B?

Do I have 2B?

You do, you do currently have 2B.

No, but you guys.

Quibi was the first thing, but then, you know, that didn't work out for whatever reason.

So there's more than an episode of stuff?

Yeah.

And now that's really, that's what I read that is really picking up on TikTok.

And they'll do like a whole season is five minutes.

Really?

And each episode is like a minute or two minutes.

Let's be riveting.

You haven't heard about that.

That can't be a good thing.

I actually haven't, I have not heard of it.

Michael Bennett Robb, have you heard about that?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Well, Rob, first of all, take the judgment out of your voice when you say, oh, yeah.

We need to work on, we need to work on our attention span, all of us on this planet, right?

I know.

I think we need to watch stuff that's longer.

I think that that's been, I was reading something.

Longer, slower.

Yeah.

Everybody wants to feel the dreams.

That all the tech, all the tech billionaires don't, they really limit their kids' access to short form stuff

because they realize that there's studies that show it has a direct impact on kids' attention span.

Well, listen, this is helpful then today because what I've got with us today

is somebody who might be able to opine on some of these things

and give us a look around the corner a little bit for what might be coming, you know.

With us today is a leader of an empire.

Ooh.

She is launched and is the guiding force behind at least 10 companies by my account,

which generated dollars in the billions I'm sure.

Her business skills and know how are matched only by her media savvy and cultural instincts.

Her abilities as a manager and a parent, however, is where it all started.

Here to tell us how on earth she does it?

And where it all goes from here is the one, the only, Chris Jenner.

Oh, look at Chris.

Chris Jenner.

I am very excited that you are with us today.

I've wanted you on the show for, you know, very, very long time.

I've been afraid.

Very exciting.

We are a little bit.

Jason and I.

That's true.

And Amanda.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We kind of plan it, but it's an accident.

Yeah.

So I'll let you guys figure that one out.

Yeah.

Okay.

Oh, just fascinating to talk to.

And I'm really, really happy you're with us today.

Thank you.

All right.

Let me, let me, let me just like, could you, there's no way you could imagine

that your adult life would be here where we are now.

I would imagine what, what, what did you, what did you think you were going to be

when you grew up?

What was there, was there, was there an early idea, plan, goal, dream?

A mom.

Yeah.

Really?

I raised a dream about being a mom.

When I was 16, I decided I wanted six kids.

No way.

And yeah.

Wow.

Wow.

That was sort of embedded in my head that that was my, my magical number.

Right.

And that's what I wanted to do with my life.

And I couldn't wait to be a mom and have my first baby.

And I had my first baby.

I got pregnant when I was 22.

Yeah.

And I met Robert Kardashian when I was 17.

How and where?

Is it, is it a meet cute?

Um, we met at the racetrack in Delmar.

No way.

Wow.

Yeah.

So I had to stand to the side while my girlfriend's mom placed our bets for like two dollars.

And I was going to, I was so excited and I was all dressed up.

And I was standing there and he came up to me and said, you know, what's your name?

And I told him and he was a little cheeky and I was really annoyed like you're a stranger.

Go away.

And, you know, the world was a much different place.

Right.

Like you trusted people.

But there was also no way to contact somebody unless you had their phone number and you were

standing by your phone in the kitchen to receive the phone call and blah, blah, blah.

I mean, that was a weird world.

I'm the best times of my life.

But you couldn't snap one another.

You mean?

Yeah.

There was no internet, no phone, no cell phones, no computer, no iPod, none of it, no technology.

Right.

And so he asked me for my name and I gave it to him and he asked me for my number and I didn't

give it to him.

But his best friend, this girl, worked at the phone company.

I knew you were going to say that.

Every story from back then had to be like, I knew somebody at the phone company.

Right.

There's the only way.

Right.

And they looked at my name and there was my phone number.

I mean, listen, every year.

It's kind of a romantic sort of like.

Yeah.

He pursued me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But wait, I want to get back to the race track.

So wait.

Yeah.

I've been there a couple of times.

It's a very unique environment, any race track.

Right.

It's so kind of fun.

Did you know what you were doing or were just like, well, that's a fun name.

Let's pick that horse.

Well, no.

I had no idea what I was doing.

You weren't watching them warm up.

No idea.

You didn't know what horses were good knockers.

No.

Well, we walked around looking like we knew what we were doing, but we were just, you know,

probably, you know, it's so visual.

Yeah.

Like going to the race track in the 70s.

Yeah.

Was like the hats and the suits and the beauty and the horses and the.

It was an event.

Everyone's got a cocktail.

Right.

I mean, it was very grown up.

It still kind of is, right?

Like Kentucky Derby's still like a big like the last thing.

Yes.

It was California's content.

I have been once with Kim.

Yeah.

And we were, we went, we went to the races.

We were supposed to go out afterwards with a bunch of people and have a, you know,

to the party that they give afterwards.

Yeah.

And I was drinking these things called a mint tulip.

Right.

A little tin cup.

And I, Kim and I had, Kim didn't even drink in those days.

She still doesn't really drink, but I did.

Yeah.

And I had too many and I said, I gotta go to bed.

I'm too tired.

They're too tasty.

I think I remember those things.

Yeah.

I just went to sleep.

Did you go JB?

Did you go there?

I've never been to the Kentucky Derby.

No.

Really?

I met a, I met a mint tulip once.

I gotta say, I'm, I'm really taken with, I want to go back to the phone company in the

bathroom.

No, you can't get in touch with anybody.

Yeah.

And the magic of Del Mar back then and you, everybody wasn't in touch with each other all

the time.

And you could go and do something like that and you were bothered by your other life.

You were just there.

You were where you were.

And I'm really taken with that idea.

There weren't even answering machines back then.

Not really.

I mean, no, there was no answer machine.

Either had to be home or not.

And it was so glorious.

No, there wasn't any kind of, there, I mean, I don't think there was a show like Entertainment

Tonight or any of the, you know, the shows like that.

And the Del Mar races sounded so glamorous.

And my mom used to go and I used to watch my mom when I was a little girl walk out the

door and her beautiful dress and her big hat going with her friends.

Yeah.

And when she was single or when she met my stepdad going with my stepdad and we're going

to the races and it sounded so like, what?

You're going to the horse races and you only saw horse races in the movies.

Right.

Like you would see like a scene like that.

And I was like going to this glamorous thing.

I would go to the grocery store with my mom and we'd go shopping and after she checked

out, after we checked out, she would stop at this counter and buy race car or race

source tickets to then go watch it home to see if there are a number of ways.

Yeah.

And I'm like, we could barely afford peanut butter and she's like buying, you know, gambling

on the way out of the door.

Yeah.

Right.

And then we watched the race tracks and race things at home.

Races.

I didn't know you could do that.

She always kept an eye on the horses.

Yeah.

Do you guys, do you guys ever do?

Do you go for the mega millions?

A couple of times I've done it.

Yeah.

I mean, gambling is, I used to have a bit of a fun, fun time with gambling.

I no longer do.

But it is, it's still something sort of like lives a little bit.

Yeah.

Shawnee, you just went to Vegas, right?

Yeah.

Shawne loves it.

But I will say this.

And a friend of mine said to me recently, I love this idea.

He said, yeah, I buy, you know, when the mega, or whatever it is, it's like a billion dollars.

It's like, I end up buying a couple tickets.

I said, really?

He seemed like the most unlikely, my buddy Clay and I go, really?

You buy a lot of tickets and he goes, yeah, you know why I buy it?

I buy it for that five minutes after I've bought it.

And I'm in the car.

Yeah.

And that feeling, that feeling is just as good as winning what I did.

I'm just getting that feeling.

Yeah.

I get only about the feeling.

That's right.

That's right.

That's the feeling that we're after.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I enjoy that feeling.

And I was like, yeah, that's it.

It's good.

I think it's funny that people go like, I think it's funny that there's people that line up the street

to buy a billion dollar lottery ticket, but not a 50 million dollar ticket.

Like that's not enough.

That's not going to do it.

That's not going to do it.

That's not going to do it.

Do you know what I mean?

Uh, 50, no.

I'll wait till it gets to a billion.

I just read somewhere that AI now can really help your, your, your number picking.

Stop.

You can like go on like some of these AI things and say, give me the, give me the numbers that

are going to win the lottery this, this weekend.

And they'll actually give you some, get pretty close.

I have a parent.

Wow.

Well, you could, well, like if it's a billion dollars, you, I mean, you could win a, you know,

a hundred million.

If you have a number, right?

You can do it.

Yeah.

Just two numbers.

Yeah.

Now, now, talking about your, your, your mom and your step-dad was, your step-dad, you, you know,

realized very quickly.

This is not heart-hitting journalism here.

I think.

A step-dad was a businessman, perhaps?

No, my step-dad was actually, he had two businesses.

My step-dad, my uncle had a car dealership and my step-dad would have a kit and he would

go to the car dealership and stripe the cars.

Oh.

To anybody.

You have to remember that phase.

Yeah, give me like a line.

You take like, it's like a tape.

Like a pinstripe or something.

Yeah, like a pinstripe.

Yeah.

You pinstriped a car in a couple of hours and in those days it was done with a very thin

tape.

Right.

And my dad was San Diego's premiere tape car tape.

No way.

And it would have just be a piece of tape on the car.

Yeah.

And it wouldn't just come off.

Yeah.

Like Starski and Hutch.

You know that.

Exactly.

I had one of my old Chevy Tau 25 years ago because it came with a thin orange and I didn't

like it.

So I went to a guy and he put a thin blue over it.

That's right.

And what you're doing messing around with Chevy, I mean, that's what you should have in a

GMC.

This is what GMC did.

Did you not like professional grade?

I do.

I love professional grade.

I love everything in the GMP.

So he did that.

And then he also was a guy who had a company that put antennas on the roof.

Okay.

But he actually did it.

Like he had had a few guys that work for him.

Yeah.

So if you bought a TV.

Yeah.

So we got our first color TV.

And then he would have a company that, you know, advertised and came out.

Right.

And put your antenna on your.

The rabbit ears up on the roof.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I got you.

So but like my question behind the question is.

So I guess it was a business.

Right.

You made money.

Did that start to.

How early did the business interest in you get get sparked?

That entrepreneurial sort of creative kind of what?

What, what, what could I get into next to kind of things?

Oh, that, that came from my grandmother and my mother.

So my grandmother and my mother both had their own stores in La Jolla, California.

Right.

And I grew up in San Diego and then La Jolla.

And my mom still lives there to this day.

She's 90, almost 92.

But she had her last store that she had was a children's store.

She had five years called Shannon and company.

Her last name is Shannon.

Yeah.

And my grandmother had a candle store called the candles of La Jolla.

So basically when I was 12 years old, instead of going to the La Jolla shores

to learn how to surf with all my friends, I was going to my grandmother's candle store

and working.

And the first job I had I was the gift wrapper.

Yeah.

So my grandmother.

Kind of fun, isn't it?

It was the best.

Yeah.

And by the way, I'm the best gift wrapper.

Are you really?

Yeah.

I watch the videos of the Japanese people.

I saw that too.

Yeah.

And I'm like, I'm trying to emulate.

I'm the worst.

I'm obsessed.

I Christmas.

I realized I'm the worst.

I love it.

Yeah.

So Chris, do you have like incredible techniques about like hiding edges

and curling seams?

Yes.

And I do, like one day I learned how to use the ribbon maker, the bow maker machine.

So I got really good at bows.

And so I have these hidden talents.

Like they say we have no talent.

Oh, I've got talent.

Yeah.

I've got some great gift wrapping.

Do you have a wrapping room at the house?

I do.

I do.

I have a friend who has a wrapping room.

Yes.

With rolls of wrapping paper and drawers of tissue.

And it's very exciting.

Chris, can you look, can you look at a gift or some of you in a wrap?

And can you just eyeball it and go?

I know exactly how much paper I need for that.

I used to a little bit better.

Now I've, you know, if I really get confused over a gift,

I just cellophane it and put a bow on it.

Call it a day.

Yeah.

And it's so cute.

Cellophane, I help you avoid those terrible paper cuts.

That's right.

You can get from wrapping gifts.

That's right.

But I love those, I love those videos from Japan.

You know, they're so fabulous.

They're so crisp and like, yeah.

OCD.

Great.

So after the, after you, so you learned some business while you were wrapping,

you're like, wait, how did that work?

And how did that?

Well, your mom and your grandma were a great business inspiration.

Right.

So I think, listen, when you're, when you're young and you see your,

my grandmother, at the time, was a single mom.

And my grandmother and my grandfather lived across the street.

And my grandmother helped raise me.

So when you see the two most important people in your life at the time,

my grandmother and my mom get up and get dressed to the nines

and go to work every day and get there at nine o'clock

and have a routine and have a business and pay the bills.

And they were so proud of their businesses and how they ran them.

I work for both of them on and off.

And I learned a lot in those days.

I got finally graduated to being on the floor with customers.

Then I graduated to the cash register.

Right.

And I just learned a lot.

Those were some of the best learning years of my life.

Because I learned so much about.

And then from there, I became a stewardess for American Airlines.

And I was a flight attendant.

And when I was a flight attendant,

that gave me great social intelligence, social skills,

learning how to run a team.

Yeah.

And just like some really interesting things that were very valuable

at a very young age.

My mom did that for like 30 years at Pan Am.

She did?

Yeah.

It was the coolest thing for me as a kid just flying around

on the world kind of, you know, in the back with my little suit on, you know,

because I had to be dressed up for the free tickets.

Yeah.

He's still fly pan Am, don't you, Jay?

Yeah.

I keep getting canceled these days.

He still fits in that suit.

Yeah.

You guys.

Sounds like, yeah, you know, the thing is at the heart of it is like this,

you've had this consistent work ethic that's super strong.

I'm really proud of what they taught me and what I was able to absorb.

But then even more importantly, how I raised my kids,

and what they were able to learn from the whole experience and how they were raised

and how they, it was always, my kids joke and they say to me,

you know, mom, during the summer, or they'll tell a story and they'll go,

my mom, during the summer, when we were in, you know,

it's supposed to be on vacation, my mom, you know, in the old days,

the 90s or the 80s, we used to have a landline.

Yeah.

And on the landline, as we became more successful and had more opportunities,

the stuff in the house got better.

The TV's got bigger, the phones got more complicated,

and we saw this intercom system on the phone.

Yeah.

So you'd have a big, you know, big, land phone,

landline phone, sitting next to all these counters and all the buttons.

And there was a thing.

And Chloe always tells the story,

my mom used to intercom the whole house.

It's seven a.m. time to get up, make your beds.

And so I raised my kids like that.

Like, no, no, no, we're not laying in bed.

Life is happening.

Get up.

We've got stuff to do.

I love that.

I love that.

That's really cool.

Yeah.

Wait, so what happened after the, after the candle thing and working in that store?

And what was the kind of the next venture for you after that that made you want

to propel further into being a businesswoman?

I worked there.

Then I worked at a boutique in La Jolla for a friend.

And then for my mom.

And I loved having structure in my life.

I loved having something to do and to get dressed for.

And my mother and my grandmother always told me that it was so important to present

myself to the world in a way that I wanted to be.

Like, look your best, be on your best behavior.

If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.

You know, really good manners.

Right, right.

It was good.

It was good to say.

Yeah, you got to, for me, like, I've got to believe it before I can expect anyone

else to believe it.

So you get up, get up, get out there and look like where you want to go.

Right.

That's exactly right.

Right.

You know, a couple things.

So then I became, then I went and I applied to be a flight attendant, Sean, to answer that

question.

And then from there, I got married to Robert Kardashian.

So that's kind of, and then I started having kids.

So that's the, you know, the breeders I just purchased.

Yeah.

Which was the real job, which is, you know, the kids and being a mom, that was at a very young

age.

But, you know, along the way, the one thing you guys can probably relate to or think about, or

you know, listeners can think about is my mother-in-law was the first one.

Now it's, you know, a mantra in our house, but my mother-in-law, Nana, was always saying,

Robert, you know, to her son, Robert, you know, show me who your friends are.

And I'll show you who you are.

She used to just gripe at all of us about if she thought anybody around us was shady

or dishonest or a little creepy or, you know, anything off, she was, because I met her

and Robert at such a young age, you know, he was 12 years older than I was.

But I just learned so much because then I had this whole Armenian family surrounding me

that I'd never had a big, big family.

I had one sister.

So, and my mom was divorced for the longest time until she met my dad went, you know,

and then got married when I was 13.

But a lot of my life, it was me, my mom, and my sister.

So, having this big Armenian family around me was very, it was so amazing.

And some of the things I learned, I let it all soak in.

I was like a sponge.

And I was like, I love having all these people watching out for me

because they met me so young.

They were helping me grow up.

Right.

Yeah.

Right.

That's so great.

One of my...

Go ahead, honey.

No, I was just going to say, I was just going to share one of my first jobs.

Was that a furniture store in downtown Glennell.

And I had to answer the phones.

And all I did all day long was call my friend Sherry and Arizona.

And then the bills would come.

And their phone bill was like hundreds of dollars, which was huge back then.

Probably like a thousand dollars.

Yeah, the guy would come and be like, who are you calling in Arizona?

I was like, that's my sister just trying to be in touch.

And but it was my best friend.

And then I got fired because of that.

Oh, my God.

That's my story.

That's my story, my first job.

I love that story.

Yeah.

I'm just trying to look on the churn aware of when to put that.

You know what?

One of my first jobs.

Yeah.

The things that we will do.

One of my first jobs.

I was really wanting to do something.

I mean, this is how I guess, I don't know, motivated.

I must have been to make some money.

But because my mom, it wasn't like she was, you know, passing out money to buy clothes.

And we were getting to the age where we really loved clothes.

And we wanted to buy things and were teenagers and all of it.

And so I got a job up the street from my house that I could then get on the school bus

and get to middle school or high school.

And it was at a donut shop.

And my job was to take a glazed scraper and scrape the glaze off of the floor.

And they would give me a little money and some free donut holes every morning.

Wow.

And I was with the best glazed scraper in, I think in San Diego.

Pretty sure.

Sean, how lost are you in this story?

He's trying to figure out if it's a bad job.

He's like, he can't decide whether it's a bad job.

This is a job.

He's like, holy moly.

He's got something to ruin my makeup.

I can only pick glaze off the floor.

I'm very well readable.

Uh-huh.

Uh-huh.

So I didn't need this free donut hole.

This is my friend Sean.

Sean's volunteering for any sort of glazed scraping in any part of the room.

So if you ever need anybody who, like, listen, these skills of somehow, you know, work for me later in life, I don't know.

Go figure.

Yeah.

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What would you say to these young people that are going off to business school and they're killing themselves,

trying to like, top business schools and learn all the business stuff that one needs to like,

where would you, what size would you put that sort of the tradition of business?

Wow. Good question.

Structured, you know, in today's society and climate for business success?

Wow.

The nuts and the bolts of it.

I'm going to get in trouble here because I did not go to college.

And that wasn't important to me because I didn't, I wasn't the most amazing,

like I didn't love school because I was social.

Does that make sense?

I love being, I love the socialization of it.

I love, I think, you know, some of my kids have been trying to decide,

do we want to just do homeschool, do we love, you know, this kind of school,

like as the kids get older.

And Kendall and Kylie, my two youngest, went to homeschool the last year of their high school years

and then they graduated.

But it wasn't this, you know, it's always been for us or for me about socialization

and making sure that obviously I have a good education and I know my ABCs.

Yeah.

And, you know, I'm, I'm a smart cookie and I love to learn and I soak it all in.

Yeah.

But everyone learns differently.

And I think that's what's interesting.

And so I think the options out there are so vast.

However, it really, you have to follow your heart, but it's also what do you want to go into?

Some rule of thumb and thought of some parents and kids alike and people in general

is that if you get that education under your belt, then that's your safety net.

Like that, then you can go forward in your life and now you're set with your, you know,

you have your tool belt on and you can go out there and do various things.

And I'm not, like I love that too.

My son went to USC, Kim went to college for maybe a couple of weeks

and, you know, Courtney graduated from college and half of my kids did it and half of my kids didn't.

Yeah.

So it's a mixed bag for me, but I think it really depends on if you want to be a doctor

or a physician of any kind, a surgeon, you know, medical field attorney, that's necessary.

Sure.

But I think it's just going to be what you're, you know, follow your heart.

What is it that, you know, that gets you excited about life and what you want to do with your career?

And start sooner than later.

Yeah, you know, it's fine.

I'm going through JB.

You went through it with with your eldest and I'm kind of going through it now with my teenage boys

because they're at that point where they're looking at colleges and we're going to do a college tour at spring break.

And I keep sort of saying to him, you know, there's a pressure not just from the parents,

but you can feel it from the peer group as everybody's talking about it.

So it builds up this kind of frenzy about where to go and all the sort of stuff that I said,

having to decide what you're having to decide.

Yeah, having to decide.

And as we, and I go, you know what, man, any one of these places,

you're pretty much guaranteed of getting a really good education.

You've got to decide what you want your experience to be.

Right.

What you want your life experience to be.

So true.

Right.

And don't, I urge you not to get caught up in that.

And I'm really, and I think it's kind of lending because I just, I see them,

I see these kids and they're getting so wrapped up in it.

Yeah, life will narrow you like real quick soon anyway.

Yeah.

I dropped out, I dropped out of college after one semester because I was like, yeah, for me,

I went, you know what?

This is not, I looked around at all my peer and my friends and kids I grew up with.

And I said, this is not where I'm going.

I want to go over here and I want to jump into life and I moved to New York at age 12.

What it does, what it did for me, I went for four years and never graduated,

but still got a doctorate.

But anyway, uh, boy, wait, we want the recipe for that.

From the, from the furniture store.

No, but what it did for me was, what it does for a lot of kids is it gets you out of the house.

That's it.

And you get out of the house and you're with your peers in a totally different setting

and you find out who you are.

Right.

And, and, and yes, academics aside, socially what it did for me was I was like,

oh, I found my, I found my people and I showed you know, it's funny about that.

Like JB, you went, you were working as a young kid.

You were already working as an actor.

So you, you were already sort of socializing.

You were already doing that.

You were out of the house in effect with your peers.

I had gone to boarding school at age 12.

So I was already out.

Like I had already gone, you know what I mean?

So we, yeah, that was like an early college boarding school.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I should have studied something to fall back on.

See, I think that's important to note though.

I think that, that everyone and I really believe that everybody needs structure.

Yes.

And, and a purpose.

That's what it is.

That's what it is.

And a community and socialistic, all of that I love about, about school.

And, and if you're not ready to jump off the diving board into the pool with no water in it, you know,

so to speak, because you don't know what you're going to do.

And that's probably a great decision.

Because then you'll figure it out.

Yeah, I, because I went to, I went to college knowing I was going to study music.

Right.

That's it.

So I had, I had a purpose.

Yeah.

But you're right.

Exactly.

You're right Chris about what you said is like if you don't, I love that.

If you're trying diving into a pool with no water, you probably, there's no reason.

No.

And, and Sean, the music that you studied, it did help you.

Yeah.

What has been a big part of what you do.

Yeah.

Well, yeah.

No, but continuing on.

And like you wouldn't have done.

Good night, Oscar.

All of it at the Tabasco show.

This is a progress.

But had you not done that?

You wouldn't have had this.

Totally.

Totally.

Totally.

And one thing leads to another.

But I'm lucky.

Like you, we're all lucky.

The four of us talking right now.

And there's many people that we know that are lucky.

That if you know, if you have a passion inside of you early on as a, as a kid and you, you, you know what you love to do.

The earlier you know what to be, the earlier you know what you love to do, the more success you're likely to have later.

A thousand percent.

And it's like Jason said, he had a direction.

Yeah.

Like he knew that's what he wanted to do.

So what?

Why I'm over here with, you know, all my energy needs to go to my dream.

Right.

And in order to accomplish my dreams, it needs incredible focus and dedication to this.

It doesn't mean you're, you know, sitting at home playing video games.

Right.

No.

And you need to pay the rent too, right, JB?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You got to keep the lights on.

So Chris, so, so then talk to me about keeping up with the Kardashians.

Like, how did it start?

What did it do for you?

Were you apprehensive about doing it?

Because you're like, oh my god, there's camera.

Like what?

And what was your perception of beginning the show?

And when did it start to change?

Yeah.

It started to start.

It's a story right where Ryan C. Chris started talking to you about this, perhaps.

And on the heels of the Osborne's getting a lot of traction.

And is this, is the timing right?

Do I have that right?

No.

Right.

So I think a lot of people talk to me and a couple of my older kids from time to time.

But always, I mean, for years had said to me, your family, you've got to do a reality show.

Nobody would believe what goes on in this.

It's this life.

Today's Brady Bunch.

And it was just, you couldn't make any of it up.

And so I eventually decided to create this show in my mind.

And it kind of lived up there for a while.

And then I remember we had been approached by a company years ago.

And they thought it was a good idea.

And my best friend was living in New York.

And she was doing a talk show, Kathy Lee Gifford.

Oh, yeah.

And Kathy would go, you guys, you know, she was Kendall and Kylie's Godmother.

And she would, you know, when they were born and she would always go, oh my God, you guys are wild.

You know, this is crazy.

And she'd come visit and think people have got to see what's going on.

And I just thought it was normal.

You know, I thought I'm living the life.

Right.

And one night this girl, Deena Katz came over to my house.

And she's the casting director for many shows amongst them dancing with the stars and things like that.

And she's close friends with Ryan Seacrest.

So she came over and she couldn't believe what was happening in my house on like a Tuesday.

Wait, what's going on?

First spaghetti.

First spaghetti.

I mean, just the people that would call or stop by just a lot of, you know,

celebrity interaction and drama and just wild.

It was just extraordinary.

Yeah.

And she would listen to my life and think it was, you know, wild.

And so she said, I'm going to present this to Ryan Seacrest.

So the next day I spoke to Ryan's team and went in for a meeting a couple days later.

They had just signed a production deal with E and NBC Comcast.

And they then, you know, Ryan presented it to the network.

They picked it up in 30 days later.

We were shooting, keeping up with the Kardashians.

Wow.

So it happened really fast.

Well, what was the conversation like with the kids?

Like did it take?

Do you have to twist any arms or were they excited about the idea or?

Listen, at that point, and I mean, to this day, I'm still at the,

I'm still their manager.

But at the time, I was nobody's manager.

I was Courtney and I were working in our clothing store called a smooch.

And the girls had a store called dash near buying calibases.

And it was, I just said, family, I have this opportunity.

And this is what I want us to do.

And everybody said, okay, you know, I'm not going to lie.

Courtney kind of looked at me sideways like mom.

And I'm like, Courtney, we can sell more t-shirts.

Imagine the shows in, you know, it's a global network.

It'll air in 200 countries.

Why not?

You know, I saw an opportunity and it was, it was just something that I wanted to do

because it was also going to help me keep the lights on.

Yeah.

If I'm being honest, it was like an income.

Yeah.

And Kendall and Kylie were nine and ten.

Wow.

Kylie was nine years old.

That's amazing.

Kendall was ten and I told them what was happening.

And I said, guys, you don't have to be on the show.

But if you want to come and be a part of it, you can film on the weekends

or holidays or after school or, you know, whenever it's appropriate.

And that's kind of how it got started.

And that was, we started filming, I think, 2000, maybe six.

It aired in 2007.

And right now, we work for Disney.

We're filming the Kardashians.

And this is season 28.

So what was the, what was the ask like, how did you present this to them?

Like, was it, well, the cameras are only going to be here for like an hour a day

or they're going to be constantly set up or they're going to be fixed cameras

and there won't be any camera operator.

So you won't really know like, how is it, how does it, how did it start then

versus how is it now?

And what, what were the expectations as far as their, their, their role would be?

Right.

Well, they, we all fell into it like a fish and water.

It was quite extraordinary.

And you can't do something.

Listen, I can create something and I can produce something.

But I can't, you can't control other people even though they're your kids.

I mean, I have a great deal of love and respect for my children.

And I'm never going to make them do something that they don't want to do.

But it was, I was in heaven because everybody, a crew shows up.

We had, we started with one crew.

So it's like maybe three cameras, two cameras and sound.

Do they come in like seven, eight, seven a.m.?

Or are they?

We started very, very early in glam at seven.

But the first season, we literally were filming seven or eight days a week

and about 18 hours a day.

Oh my gosh.

I don't know.

I used to say to myself,

I'd look in the mirror in the morning and go, I don't know if this is sustainable.

Well, am I going to get through the day?

And then we would just keep filming, filming, filming.

And in those days, editing, we, I, I'm probably, I, I don't know if this is accurate.

But I'm probably one of the only, um, women in reality television world

that has editing rights to our show.

I am able to take anything out.

And that was from the very start.

You, you had a day one.

I said, I'm not doing this unless I, so the key to what.

And you could tell the kids, don't worry about it.

You just let it all fly.

Let it all hang out.

Yeah.

Right.

And, and you know what's interesting about that is over the years from day one,

when we knew we had that freedom and that kind of power, so to speak,

um, it made us more comfortable.

Yeah.

It made us, um, be the way we always are and how we're bonded together as a family

because we're very close to each other.

And we were able to say things that were, you know, very intimate or, you know,

only our family knew or whatever it was.

Sure.

But things started to, you know, develop in a way that we, I was thinking to myself,

you know, oh my goodness, this is really crazy.

And knowing that we could take it out and, you know, we never did.

We really would come, we would have a meeting and we would say, you know,

the FBI showed up today, you know, or Kylie ended up in season,

episode one, season one is a nine year old child on a stripper pole.

What?

And I had the, you know, and I'm looking at the footage going, how did this happen?

How did this happen?

How did this happen?

I left Kim and Robin Anton in a room for five minutes and Kylie's on a stripper pole.

You know, so it was really insane.

Anyway, it turns out that the things that I would remove or take out ended up to be,

oh my God, the back of my hair looks crazy.

Yeah.

Take that out.

Or I look so fat or can somebody fix my lipstick?

Like, what?

Yeah.

So that's the guy.

I was so vain in like, I had never really been on, I had been on TV and I had done QVC

and I had done things with Bruce Jenner and, you know, all the stuff.

But I'd never been on a television show that was unscripted like that.

And it was a very vulnerable feeling.

I wanted to ask, so about that.

So that starts to happen.

So, right.

So the vulnerability I can only imagine, because we know what it's like a little bit.

We talked about it earlier about stuff happens and then people out in the world have a right

to comment on it, especially now in real time and stuff.

Right.

Right.

To go through that experience, especially early on when it was like early social media days

when you guys started.

It was really early.

I mean, and to have people commenting on your life on your parenting, like you say,

with the stripper pillow or other thing and your kids growing up.

Right.

And people have opinions in real time.

There's nobody bigger than you guys at a certain point.

You sort of, you guys rock it to fame.

And everybody in the world has an opinion on you and your family and your kids and blah, blah, blah.

How did you kind of meet that and ride with that over the years?

As you say, you just finished season 28.

You've obviously found a place on your way to accommodate that.

Right.

What was that like?

What was that learning curve like to deal with that?

You know what?

I think it was one day at a time.

It was leaning on each other.

It was learning from one another.

It was understanding that it takes an entire village to do what we do.

And then it was all these realizations over the years that occurred to us.

And first of all, we had to have really thick skin.

And I said to my kids very early on because they were a lot younger.

I mean, when I started the show, I had no grandchildren.

Now I have 13.

I mean, life changes so fast.

That's amazing.

So I said to my children because they were young enough for me to tell them what to do still.

And I do tell them what to do every single day.

But sometimes they don't listen.

So I told them nobody's going on the internet.

Nobody's engaging in the bullshit.

And that was after the first episode.

And I had even close friends that I trusted that would have one eyebrow up going.

Really?

The stripper pole?

Not knowing that Oprah just had the stripper pole on an episode of her show because it was the new exercise.

You know, the craziness that everybody was doing this.

And, you know, Robin Anton had come over to show Kim how to use it because Kim had bought me one for Mother's Day.

And to do my exercise, you know, and Kylie ends up on it.

But, you know, it was just they wanted to edit it a certain way.

And it wasn't really edited.

It was just like people took it a certain way.

And I just said, let it fly.

We know.

We know what happened.

Like who cares?

Yeah, I was going to say I would imagine that a lot of this stuff, the element of the world now being having access inside the the serenity of somebody's home.

I can imagine would only make you guys closer in that you guys are the only ones that know the real story.

Right.

What we really feel juxtaposed to this outside opinion multiplied by millions.

I guess you were kind of forced to quickly say, well, that's their kind of idea, their opinion, their narrative versus what the real thing is almost makes you guys even more solid and intimate and a unit.

Yes.

I think so.

I think we felt really close.

We felt like we could always help each other out.

I remember, you know, when we first started the show, for example, there was no Instagram.

There was no Snapchat.

There was barely Twitter.

Right.

And Ryan C. Chris called me up one day and he goes, you know, you might want to tell Kim about this little thing called Twitter.

I'm not really sure what it is.

I'm like, Twitter.

What is Twitter?

And so, you know, Kim, you got to get on Twitter.

And, you know, we just helped each other learn and grow and it takes a village to do what we're doing.

And then on top of all of it, the years went by and we realized how many thousands of people we employ, who the network employees, the people that benefit and have.

We've had people that work for us for years, right to us, like right notes to us and say, you know, and hand them to us and say, thank you for changing my life.

Thank you for giving me purpose.

Thank you for giving me a job.

Thank you for, you know, so you start with the smallest things, the assistance, the glam teams, the people who are getting us from one point to another.

The all the fashion side of it, the, you know, it's just tens, you know, thousands and thousands of people.

And then as time went on and, you know, we started making money and we were able to give back to things that meant a lot to us and help people that were less fortunate.

And, you know, that felt good.

And, you know, so it's been an evolution of our whole process.

Yeah, and even specifically what the social media has, has done.

It wasn't around when you started now, of course, it's around.

But the way in which you guys are such a presence there as well.

And, and talk to us a bit about how that, that's, I think, helped me educate me.

It is, it is one of the major engines to some of the stuff that you, that you guys do, sort of your brand positioning and leveraging one and being spokesman for other things.

It all sort of exists almost entirely on some of it on this, on this platform versus, you know, linear TV and, and, and whatnot.

It's what, it's how the business has evolved for many businesses around the world.

You know, having this example that was, that started actually when Kim got on Twitter that first, that example, I gave you when she first learned about it.

And I remember she was the first one who really, she really educated us about, meaning my family and I, about how she could communicate with the audience.

And be a part of the Twitter universe by engaging in these conversations. And she genuinely loved it.

Like she would, I remember the first time and I think she was the first one to do this.

She sent a tweet to her fans and to all the viewers of her show and ever just out there in the world.

And she said, I'm going to launch this fragrance. And here are the two, you know, packaging options, the bottles.

Do you guys like this choice or this choice? You know, the pink or the black or whatever it was. And the response was overwhelming.

And I knew that she was so smart. And so not that it was, you know, she wasn't in any way being manipulative.

She was being genuinely wanting her own focus group.

She was able to, you know, put together this group of people that was, that she, no one would have had access to in the entire world.

Except for her. And as her numbers grew, her audience grew, our audience grew. And then one by one is as different social media platforms emerged.

And we're developed. And as all of my, you know, me and my, my children all became very active on all these social media platforms.

And the numbers grew. And it's just snowballed. And I think like if you added up all the numbers and you added up all the kids and all the platforms.

There's a couple, you know, on and our global network with Disney. And we're chosen over 200 countries and on and on every single day.

And Disney just bought the rights to keep being up with the Kardashians. They just bought all the, they archive.

So, you know, there's billions of people daily who are not only that you said that you, you know, thousands of people you employed.

If you think about it, you launched an entire industry in that you guys were the, the first people to understand the power of as you pointed out that example with Kim of using social media and creating that and Jason said sort of establishing the brand and putting that out there.

All these people in the world who now make a living doing that. They can all, they all have really, in effect, you guys to think.

It's also now that it's the major engine for many of the mainstream traditional legacy corporations all took it from you guys. Everybody.

Yeah, airlines to companies to, to, to oil companies like everybody wants to figure out how to harness the power of that direct one to one connection to your customer.

And it's about reach. It's about connecting with the people that are actually engaged with your product.

You guys have this enormous power and influence in that space.

I would imagine and you don't have to answer this, but I would imagine that you're constantly being corded, solicited by any number of companies to help them understand how they can reach more of their customers, stay engaged with them.

Amplify what it is that they are.

Chris, wait till you see Jason's hair hair thing. They just hit for Jen.

It's amazing.

We're true. You know, listen to everyone's trying.

That's right, babe.

We'll be right back.

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I would bet it's you can be you could probably spend all your time just trying to educate people on how to how to best.

Integrate.

Utilize there. Yeah, their social media. Well, it's like when Kylie launched her lip kit in, you know, all those 10 years ago.

It was insane because I went to her about, I don't know, a month before the launch knowing that she was going to create this thing.

She goes, Mom, I know what I want to do for the rest of my life. And it's beauty.

And I want to, you know, do this lip kit. And now you've got to take this and run with it and figure out how to make it.

And so I contacted some people I knew that could do this. They made it.

And I said, so what are we doing about the marketing? Like, you know, we need an ad in people magazine.

And we need to have a billboard and, you know, she goes, are we okay, Mom?

Like, I know what I'm doing. Just relax. And I said, I can't relax.

You just spent every dime you've ever made on keeping up with the Kardashians to start your own brand by yourself with your own money.

And I'm a little nervous. Mom's a little, you know, you're 17 years old. So what are you doing?

And she said, I know what I'm doing. And so I'll never forget the morning she launched her brand, which was the first time she disrupted an entire beauty business.

Because she pressed send on the link to go buy this and put a post out, go buy my lip kit.

And I think it was four seconds. And we thought the site crashed because we had to launch, you know, and it was just sold out in seconds.

And then we knew, you know, and she developed that was her that, you know, and then, then then it was on. She was the first one to do that.

The first one that we need to have a meeting with you. We need to have an hour meeting with you.

Okay, I'll do it. Okay, guys, come on over. I'm in Chloe's podcast.

So when you say, when you say one of the first, do you, do you mean about how sort of the brick and mortar?

How does cell up? Yeah. Yeah, I think how to sell a beauty brand online like that had never been done or any brand.

Well, and also, I think Kim was probably the first to ever sell a fragrance. Think about this.

Millions of fragrances online without ever smelling it. Yeah.

Wow. Is that not crazy? Yeah, I'll take that fragrance. And you've never, you're trusting that you want to smell like Kim.

Meanwhile, it's still the first fragrance is still the fragrance that I wear really every day.

And every day somebody goes, Oh, what is that? It's me. You smell so good. So I'm so proud of that moment for her.

Where do you, how was how was the smelling sessions for that as you guys were developing that sniffing a bunch of stuff and narrowing down what the scent would be.

Kim and I, yeah, Kim and I went to a fragrance company in New York a few times.

And by the way, this whole journey, everything I'm telling you, all the stories I could go on for days is all on film for keeping up with the Kardashians and now the Kardashians.

I'm so grateful for because I have the best home movies in the world.

Yeah. And I have all these beautiful, I mean, I remember we were filming, we filmed the birth of Mason. Good God.

And I'm like, we film that like I sit and go, we film that. But we did.

I always think that's wild because my sister just sent me an audio clip that she found when she was 12 years old.

And it's really scratchy and you can barely hear it. You can tell it's her, which is so different than how kids grow up now.

They have everything. They have home movies every day, you know, because of social media where it looks like yesterday.

Yeah, it looks like yesterday. So it's a weird thing about how memories now are stored in our brains.

The kids now store differently than the four of us do because we didn't have that.

You know, it's not archived as a kid. We didn't have any archives.

Can I ask you guys a question? Yeah.

Off topic. Okay. Good.

So do any of you ever go back and really look at the photos?

Yeah. I do.

You have a million of in your phone. You do.

Mostly of my kids.

Oh, no, not my phone.

No, not of the photo.

When I was a kid, like the actual hard copy photo that was taken.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So you know what I do?

Every year, at the end of the year, before January 1st, I edit all my photos in my phone.

So I, you know how you take 75 photos of one thing.

Yeah.

Edit, edit, edit, get it to where those photos on your phone or what you love.

Right.

And there's probably 3,000 or whatever.

Yeah. That's a big job.

I have them taken to a very trusted printer that I've been using for since the early 90s, literally.

And they print them out.

And I put them in an archival photo box.

And they're in my archive.

And I have a hard copy of every single photo that I've ever taken.

That's true.

Because I'm probably the only one in my family who will do that.

So that, you know, many, many moons from now, they can look back and go,

I remember this, like going through the photos is such a thing for me.

And how I have memories of my family, my grandmother.

You know, so I think everybody should go copy their phone once a year.

It's a great idea.

Yeah.

And archive it in a box.

I get, I think I get them at like the container stores.

Yeah.

But there's archival boxes and get them on Amazon.

And they protect the photo.

But for everyone who has kids, you know, it's so special.

Yeah, it is.

That's my tip for the day.

You should have a party and just go through each page one by one.

Right.

And just do like a four day party.

Or turn on keeping up with the Kardashians.

Yeah.

Or do that.

Chris, with all your, your incredible business success, I bet,

I bet you're most proud of what seems to be an incredible ability to,

to be both a manager and a mother to not one but six of your children.

And, and, and where both of those hats in a way,

because my, my parents were my manager as well when I was growing up.

And, and I remember that was a, it was a, it was a tricky challenging thing for both them and me to, to manage together.

Yeah.

And, and, and try to keep both of those sides of our lives pristine and honored.

And where, where one is sort of like a peer relationship.

And the other one is that sort of traditional deferential relationship where, you know,

the, the kid looks up to the parent and completely, you know,

listens to and defers to and, and, and follows behind kind of thing.

So they're, they're, they're, they're not at odds with one another.

But they're, they're, they're, there's, there's, there's, there's a,

there's a few areas of overlap, but they are different, you know?

Yeah.

And so your ability to do that, it seems, it's been incredibly successful.

Because all your kids from what I can see just seem incredibly well grounded and kind and,

so can you talk a little about that?

You know what?

I think, first of all, my most important role is mom.

So I recognize that.

And that's the most important thing in my life.

And I feel like God has put me here at this point in my life to make sure they're okay.

And I think every parent's dream is for your child to identify what they want to do in their life

and go out there and find how they, their dream can come true, help them get there.

Yeah.

Set them off and set them up and good to go.

Like that's my, I mean, when I think about my kids and I go down the line and go,

okay, today, this one's okay.

I got to do, you know, but in general to have your kids at a really good, happy place,

whether they want to be a housewife and a mom, whether they want to be an athlete, whether they,

whatever their dream is, if they're happy.

And the most important thing for me is I always say God first, family second,

everything else is third.

And I've always raised my children like that.

And I've always raised my kids to be all that matters to me is that they have good hearts.

They have integrity, character, great character, great integrity.

They would help people that in need, that need them and they're kind.

Yeah.

Beyond time, be kind, be gentle with people.

You never know what kind of a day they've been having.

But stick up for yourself and be strong when you need to be strong.

And all the things, you know, all the things and that it means the most to me when I hear

other people's experiences with my kids.

And daily, if I show up to something and someone's been there before me,

like let's say I was on this podcast and maybe one of my kids had done it.

Or I, you know, somebody came up to me Saturday night at a dinner and said,

I have the store in over here where we were.

And your children come in there from time to time.

And I've never met more kind, you know, gentle people in my life.

They're the nicest people I've ever met.

Every time I hear that, my heart just swells.

I'm so happy.

Because that's all that matters.

Yeah. You know what Chris is funny?

So I was going to say, and you guys will relate to this, is there's no greater feeling

than when somebody says to you, hey, I just ran into your kids.

Your kids are great.

Your kids are so nice.

It feels so good.

You never get tired of hearing.

Never.

When somebody compliments your kid on their character ever.

And I will say this, I don't know your kids.

And I, but I have heard, and this is anecdotal,

but I have heard time and time again over the years,

what nice people your kids are.

I'm not making this up.

I have heard that so many times.

That makes me so happy.

That makes me so happy.

It's absolutely true.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

I've had a couple bad, bad encounters.

I'm just going to be honest.

That's different, Sean.

That's different, Sean, though.

I mean, you're so comfortable.

Sean, we can't hear you anymore.

I'm sorry, bitch.

Yeah.

I think you're my bueno.

No, lovely.

I too have met them.

And they're just so genuine.

I love you.

I love them.

I love you.

I had that great time at that.

I know.

I know.

Sorry.

How much for them?

I'm going to text you right after this.

Wait, text.

Text me.

Do I still, you guys?

Do I still have?

I would imagine that, I mean, your days, my God,

I can't imagine how full you're doing.

Imagine how full your days are, with all the business stuff,

all the parenting stuff, you'd have to delegate a great deal.

And I'm sure you've got incredible people around you.

But what is the thing that you simply cannot delegate?

Will not delegate?

Well, let's put it this way.

At the end of the day, especially lately,

the year started off like, whoa, like if you were on a treadmill

at like level 62.

Yeah.

I get at the end of the day, decision fatigue.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You can imagine.

Like, I start off so early, like at 5 a.m.,

I let people have access to me at that hour.

Meaning, I alert people, hey, we're rolling, you know,

I'll call an attorney, I'll text an attorney, a business manager,

somebody in Europe, somebody in New York, like, okay,

I'm ready to go and it never ends.

So I think that, you know, just being able to juggle,

I feel like sometimes some days are like that guy in the circus

where he's got the plates in the air

and you just keep taking the stick and spinning them all,

you know, just making sure they're all spinning.

Some days, if they're like that, that's a chill day.

But if it's really buckling down, putting out fires,

those days I'm a fireman.

So putting out fires, making sure everybody's okay.

And then like this morning, I got a very, like,

a 6 a.m. call from Kylie.

And she just wanted to, you know, go through something personal

that she was like wanting an opinion on.

So stop the, you know, the momager hat, roll into,

okay, and I just got my coffee again and sat down

and listened to the whole thing, gave my opinion,

where we're good to go.

She goes, okay, it's going to be okay, mommy.

It's going to be great.

Okay, we're good.

And so everybody needs, you know, that emotional check-in every day

and we all just like, I get a million times a day from Chloe.

I love you, mom.

Mom, you're the best.

And my kids are so Kim and I, for the last two days,

texting, you know, all day from London and then Paris

because she said the skims opening in those two cities.

Yeah.

And then, you know, so there's always business to talk about

and then an influx of photos from the event that they're at

or, you know, all of it, you know, all of it.

And it's been great.

It's a great journey.

What kind of crisis would it be if you woke up one day

and you forgot to plug your phone in overnight?

Well, that would be bad.

Right?

That would be bad.

But I would imagine even waking up with a full charge,

you're charging that phone around four o'clock every day anyway.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

For sure.

Especially if you have like a little zoom in between.

Yeah.

That's a little bit of a dreamer.

But it's, yeah, no, you just, you know,

you have to be prepared and ready for everything, I guess.

I think I'm, I'm great at multitasking.

Yeah.

And I'm great at, I think I have, you know, emotionally,

I'm pretty strong.

I cry on a dime.

I'll cry at a commercial.

Yeah.

Or, you know, or if I think about something really sad,

I'll, you know, I get all welley.

So I try to stay out of the, that danger zone.

Yeah.

I try to, like, we don't need any tears today.

But I'm a very, I think I'm a very emotional person.

But I think I have good, you know, emotional intelligence.

You don't have to say who.

But I would ask, is there somebody in your life

or probably a few, maybe, that, that you can,

that you can dump all this stuff on and you don't have to be.

That's the person who calls everything constantly.

She calls everything constantly.

I'm sorry, Sean.

Sean carries a weight around my family.

But you know what, I love it.

Yeah.

You do.

You're good at it too.

You're very strong.

What do you, what, what, what, what, what, what do people think you control

that you absolutely do not?

A skim's discount.

Yeah.

People wanted to get a little break because they know you.

A skim's discount.

Yeah.

But wait, if, yeah, you, but Jason's previous question was good.

Of course, you don't have to say names, but who is that?

Who is that person that you get to lean on at the end of the day?

Is it your kids?

Is it, you know what?

I'll tell you something.

It depends on the subject and what's going on.

I do have a selection.

One of my best friends, Shelley Azoff,

is we'll talk about the craziest stuff and we just get each other.

Yeah.

And then I don't have to talk to her for two weeks.

She's not that person who's needy and, you know, needs me to, you know,

emotionally check in with her all the time.

And then my cousin, C.C.

But, you know, and then Corey, my partner, of course, like my boyfriend,

he's amazing.

He's probably thinking, this is why I sometimes I want to just go in his brain

and, you know, wonder, he's probably thinking, what did I go into?

But he loves us all so much and is so great.

So, you know, obviously the person that you live with is the person that,

that probably hears and gets the brunt of it through and through.

But, you know, who's so amazing and supportive are my kids.

And each one for a different reason.

Like, if there's real drama with somebody, I'll tell you the times.

I don't know how Khloe carries it.

Khloe, you guys have to have, you haven't had Khloe on yet, right?

No, no, no.

Khloe is such a great guest.

Yeah.

But Khloe, Khloe is a, is a, is a saint.

She's an angel.

Yeah.

She's not only is like the Pied Piper with all the kids.

And she's the one who every single weekend has the sleepover

and is making Taco Tuesdays for all the kids and having Bible study

on Thursday nights for the kids in her house.

I mean, she's like all the cousins are, you know, she's the Pied Piper.

She's the cutest thing ever.

But she's also got such amazing, intense emotional support

to offer if you're going through something.

And she's so intelligent about stuff.

It's really great and so's Kim.

And all of them, I mean, I was talking to Khloe,

like I said this morning about something else,

but they're all so, you know, candles like my therapist.

And if I want to talk about anything in the environment, you know,

Courtney's my go-to and she'll come over

and throw all my pots and pans away.

So, you know, they're all, we're all so connected.

Yeah, but so when the house thinned out,

because I'm dealing with this now,

one just went off to college and my youngest,

I've got another few years.

But I'm already just like dreading being an empty nester.

I'm just going to miss them so much.

As your house started to thin out,

and now it's just you and Corey, right?

Right. Well, okay.

So the part that maybe you're missing is,

I live in a gated community,

and we all live down the street from each other.

So it's next door.

Khloe lives next door.

She lives 50 feet away.

So it doesn't get any closer than that without being in the same bedroom.

That's right.

And then I'll come home and, you know, I mean,

Kendall's the only one who lives a little bit further.

But everyone, we all live in the same area.

We're all at each other's houses.

And, you know, I'll call Kim's house at least three times a week.

Do you guys have any food over there?

I'm starving.

I don't buy it.

And then somebody runs over to get it.

It's like it's very convenient.

I can only imagine that holidays are just like this,

just like a night.

So fun.

Just all those, would you say 13 grandkids running around?

It's our Super Bowl.

Oh, yeah.

It's like, it's delicious.

And one of the kids has Christmas Eve.

We usually do a big Christmas Eve party.

And then I do Christmas morning.

That's my tradition.

And we have so many amazing traditions on our family.

And we celebrate, you know, Groundhog Day.

We celebrate everything.

Really?

We can't wait to do a party.

We can't wait to celebrate somebody's special occasion or event or, you know,

the kids graduating from kindergarten or, you know,

it makes life really fun.

Yeah, you're keeping up on all that stuff.

It will be a full-time job for me as it is right there.

We'll keep it up at the carnation.

Yeah, there you go.

You know, when you say your kids are, you know, like an empty nest thing

and your kids are getting older and it happens so fast.

And, you know, I think that it's just really important to remember that.

We're just that they're not far away and just create these memories and moments

as much as you can to stay connected.

Because people ask me a lot, how do you raise a family?

You guys are also close, genuinely close.

And, you know, I often say you just, it's not something that you can really

teach.

It's something that you just have to feel and do.

Yeah.

I got to tell you, we've done, how many of these have we done, you guys?

A couple hundred?

We've done like 300?

This is the first time, not no joke, that I've looked at the clock and been shocked

that we are at an hour 15.

I know.

I thought we were like 40 minutes.

First of all, I'm sorry that we're 15 minutes over.

It's fine.

I always, I'm going to have a meeting with her and we're filming our show.

And she's probably going to walk into the studio and go, what the hell are you doing?

Before we let you go, excuse me, I want to talk about All Sphere, just for one quick

second or a long second, if you want.

The show on Hulu, executive producing on, like, so now this is scripted.

Yes.

And.

Ryan Murphy is producing, writing, directing.

And, and this, do you, do you prefer the scripted stuff?

Do you want to, you want to mix it all in?

Do you want to go, you know, how much?

Tell us about the ratio between scripted and unscripted going forward for you guys.

So doing an unscripted show is truly unscripted for us.

We have no scripts.

We do.

I don't even know half the time I'm being perfectly honest, what we're going to film that day.

I'll know on my schedule, you know, amongst all the other things I'm doing that day, it'll be glam.

Kardashians is filming, you know, blah, blah, blah.

Sometimes I don't know what's happening.

I think, you know, I knew my crew was going to be here today because I do know that we're going to film something later.

And I'm working with Chloe and I think Kylie's probably here.

But I'm really not sure some days, like what we're eating, but it always works out and it's always magic.

So that's that's that side of it.

I don't think honestly I could do more than one of those types of shows because it's it's not something that I want to manufacture.

What's going on?

And at that point, what else is there to talk?

You know, so it would have to be scripted.

So when Ryan Ryan Murphy came over for dinner one night and I said to him, come by, because as I said, we're all we all live down the street from each other.

I said, come over, Ryan Murphy's going to come over.

I'm like, I'm so obsessed with him.

And we love what he does and all of that.

So he came over and I remember we had a conversation.

And I said, why don't he said, why don't you, you know, to him, you know, maybe we could work together.

And I said, Ryan, maybe write a show for her.

Like, why don't you write something and we'll do something really exciting.

In the meantime, he put her in American Horror Story, which she did a great job.

And she's not a trained actress.

She did phenomenal.

And she got, she was happy with it.

She'd love the process, which I thought was a little concerning to me because there's a lot of waiting around.

Yeah.

There's a lot of structure.

There's a lot of, it's much, much different than, oh, bring the camera over.

I'll shoot it on my iPhone, you know, I'm doing a reality show.

It's much, obviously you guys know that better than in year three actors, you know, we're not actors by trade.

Right.

And so when she did it, she loved the process.

And then I've suddenly got a call from Ryan.

And he said, I have something for you.

And I said, hold up, come over.

Let me get my crew.

So he came over to the house.

We had a Martini.

He presented this idea for Kim for All's Fair.

And we love the idea Kim signed on.

They talked about who would be her co-stars.

And let me tell you something.

These women were so generous and kind and amazing to her and really wrapped their arms around her.

And Ryan Murphy surrounded her with the most incredible group of women.

And we had the time of our lives.

We suddenly had a renewed spirit.

She was making friends with people.

She would never, you know, have these relationships with.

And I saw her beaming, you know, and really enjoying what she was doing.

And now got picked up for season two.

And it's been, you know, Sarah, Sarah Paulson and Glenn Close and Tiana Taylor and Naomi Watts and Nisi Nash.

And Kim and this beautiful past and the fashion that they all loved.

And they just all loved hanging out with Kim.

She loved hanging out with them.

And I saw this genuine friendship evolve and develop over time.

And it's been really, really amazing for me to get to witness that for my daughter.

So proud of her.

That's great.

Yeah, really, really great.

Yeah.

And they're going into season two.

And that's a big deal.

And they start next month.

So I'm really excited.

And now Kim is filming her first, well, not her first movie, but a big movie that's a comedy.

Yeah.

And it's going to be really, really good.

It's called fifth wheel.

Very nice.

That's great.

Well, glad things are finally working out for you guys.

And you know, you're starting to get a little wind at your backs.

Yeah.

You know what?

It's trying, man.

I, you know, every day, it's a grind.

It's Chris.

It's just, it really is incredible.

I'm, I'm so, so thankful that you, you came on and you've spent more than an hour with us telling us how you've done it all and how you continue to do it all.

And we're rooting for you.

We'll be watching all the next years going forward with, with this incredible story, truly.

I appreciate you guys so much.

And thank you for being so lovely and supportive.

And I'm just grateful to be a part of this, you know, life and, and the entertainment community and to be able to, to add a little something.

And I just, I come from a place of incredible gratitude.

So for everybody that watches our show or is given us any kind of support or kindness or, I just, you know, just, you know, being watching from afar, it means the world.

And, you know, I think that, you know, it's just, it's great to be and come from a place of gratitude and just be kind to each other.

Yeah. Well, audiences are grateful for what you, what you've done.

Yeah. Well, we love you.

We love you.

Yeah.

Love you guys so much.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much for coming.

Thank you so much for coming.

Yeah.

And Jason, I can't wait for our next vacation with Amanda.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Us too.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Bye guys.

Bye.

See you.

Bye.

Bye.

Bye.

Wow.

Yeah.

That was good.

Yeah.

Honestly, I didn't, I did not realize the time.

I could have, I could have listened to her explain it all.

I know.

Even longer.

She's so well spoken and succinct.

And there's so much more to this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dang it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you know, when I feel like lazy or something like, look at her, man, I know.

What?

I heard days.

Things.

She's starting at five in the morning and probably goes till 10 at night on something that you just can't phone in.

Yeah.

Right.

I mean, she's got the switches.

Got to be flipped on.

And she is just running shit.

I, I, I mean, if I have like two things in my day that I've got to like, focus on.

and I'm like, oh, damn it, when can I put my PJs back on?

And after four o'clock, it's just...

Forget it.

Oh, I didn't know it was cheating.

But yeah, I love the entrepreneurial ship

and the philanthropy, and she's just a cool hang.

Yeah, I like her.

And you know, she's so unique.

She's so unique, and she's so different.

It's the local reason.

It's really like one and a million.

And she's really, she's like a human being that's not...

Really hard to.

It's not easy to come by.

Bye.

Bye.

That's the sentence.

Come by.

Can I use it to come by?

Oh, okay.

Yeah, it's someone like her.

It's not easy to come by.

Yeah, yeah.

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