Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Ep 2 Recap

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3:26Well, actually, they didn't really win the game at all. Survivor know it all. Some bother know it all. Steven up, went out and down. Got the game off. Back it out, didn't know it all. Yeah, we are back. The survivor know it all. And so is a survivor. Steven Fishback, because what a fun night of survivor. This was Steven. How are you? I'm great. What a joy. This season is so awesome. It's so like, I love every survivor season. But it's like, you know, the thing about pizza, even bad survivor. This is like, what's like the best possible pizza, you know? Yes, okay. I'm not sure. They'll save that for off season to rank all the best pizza.

4:26Although that's arbitrary and reductive. But I just really was just tickled this whole episode. There was so much fun. And you know, listen, we talk about survivor every season. But I'm not having as much fun in the other seasons as we are here. This is just so rich. Every moment on the screen was a joy and a delight. The character moments were hitting in ways that the character moments like have not hit. The strategy was super interesting. There's so much to break down. So really kudos all around here during survivor 50. And they're having fun and they're like doing fun creative things that we've never seen before. You know, this is why you bring back a lot of things we've never seen before. Well, you've seen some of those. Yeah, not like this. All right. So we are here. We are ready to talk about everything from the episode. Of course, here it's the start of the season. Make sure you subscribe. Get R-H-A-P to subscribe. Wherever you listen to podcasts and of course on YouTube, please make sure you're subscribed here at the start of the season.

5:29And we love to read your comments all along the way. Gonna have a lot of fun stuff coming your way this week. I'm gonna catch up with your friend and mine. Andrea Belkey is going to join me. And I don't even remember the last time she and I talked about survivor. We'll do that on Thursday. I'll have an exit interview with Savannah. And then also going to catch up with Hunter and Kevin together on a podcast this week. That's very fun. You mentioned everything we have coming your way on Patreon. But Steven, this was really, we have maybe a disaster tribe. Which might have just completely spiraled out. Had it not been for maybe a tribe swap to come. But let's get into it and let's talk about this. And I guess we should start off with Savannah being the person who goes home on this episode. Even though she really was not the focus of most of the episode. Yeah. Most of the episode seemed to be on the tension between Joe and Rick. Certainly. I mean, I guess Ozzy was still a target. Yeah. You know, we sort of have the three working her masterful ways.

6:32Although it seemed like they were all sort of like, you know, already kind of like whatever. Ozzy will keep him around. Um, but yeah. Didn't seem to be a lot of heat on Savannah specifically. It almost seemed just kind of like that was the. Why not Joe? You know, why not Joe here? Well, I guess that the thought was that we needed for the challenges. But really coming out of last week's episode. There really wasn't even a whisper so much about Savannah being one of the targets. The tribe seemed very locked in on Jenna Lewis. You would have thought that maybe Savannah would have been an easier first target to get rid of. She's a winner. She's coming off of season 49, which they hadn't seen. They don't really know her so much. But they were locked in on Jenna Lewis. But after that, it really seemed like that people were very suspicious that Savannah went on the journey. And they were not buying her story that she came back with just not having to have risk to vote. Yeah. I mean, honestly, though, I do think she, I mean, obviously I agree that that's part of it. And that is like the reason they give. But like, I kind of think she's just the only available option for them.

7:34You know, if you've got this group of Christian Rick and Emily working together. It seems like they're working very closely with Surrey, which we can talk about further. Is that a good idea or a bad idea? And then Surrey is obviously protecting Ozzy. Joe, you need for strength. I thought Savannah was doing a very good job of ingratiating herself with people she didn't never know before. She seemed to be a part of a lot of alliance conversations. And I almost like don't you ever was going to point to like she should have like fast up about the block of voter or whatever. As like the thing she did wrong. If you're going to analyze, you know, what Savannah did wrong. But I kind of thought she played fine like she played a totally decent game. And she was just like the person they have to vote them on out. And she was the person. I'd love to explore that a little bit more with you. Because if you're Savannah and I thought she did a good job coming clean last week. Hey, just so you know, survivor 49, I was the winner. And that didn't really seem to bother them so much. Even on a tribe with Jenna Lewis, who famously said, hey, let's get rid of all the winners. Did not even bother her. And it seemed like that they felt like thank you for coming clean about that with us. But was it a mistake for Savannah?

8:37Let alone to not say anything. Was it a mistake for Savannah to get on the boat and go on the journey last week? Oh, that's interesting. I actually don't think so. It's a little damned if you do. Damn, if you don't. Yeah. Yeah. Can you remind me how they made that decision? Because it seemed like each group made it. Yeah, I don't remember exactly. I have to go back in again, the stuff in the third hour from the survivor premiere. A little fuzzy, but they're a boat came. They needed somebody to get in from each tribe. And I don't remember if there was, well, I'm sure we'll go back and look at it over the next couple days. If there was a lot of competition over who wanted to go and get on the boat. But having seen survivor 48 where I thought that people were almost never get on the boat. Because of all of the downsides that you could lose your vote. You could get something and people vote you out because you have something. It seemed like to me coming out of that season in particular. And I guess maybe it wasn't as big of a factor in survivor 49.

9:37But going on, one of these journeys was just a lot of negative things that could come out of that. And there was, to me, very little upside to do that. So Savannah, maybe feeling a little bit on the outs was, hey, I need to go and get something to help my cause here. I'm a little bit of an underdog. But I think that it seems like that maybe especially on top of that she didn't tell them what she got. What was she hiding? What is she not telling us? Right. And a block of vote is such like a kind of benign advantage. They're like, okay, great. She's got a block of vote. That said, if they knew she had a block of vote, they would say like, oh, she's got a block of vote. We got to get rid of her now. You know, I don't think she's like buying her way back into their good graces. Yeah. I do sort of agree with you that going at all. It's like, you know, she's mostly, she's playing with all old era. I mean, I guess Flipens is new era, but an old soul. You know, she's playing with mostly old era contestants here, right? The new era of mentality seems to be like, whatever.

10:37Like you've got an advantage. I've got an advantage. We all got advantages. I do think there's probably more suspicion of that among the older era contestants where advantages were rare. You know, you really had to like, you know, and ending, you know, you also have like a heuristic. Like if someone's got an advantage, they're a target. That's the way it used to be. And probably many of these contestants are coming in with that mentality. And Savannah probably doesn't have that. But I really just don't think there's that much she could do here. If you look like she didn't other than simply like having something that like at the point to her. Like I like, again, like flip in Christian and Rick are going to be a group. Like unless it's three, like they're they're not going to vote at Aussie, you know, and certainly not Joe. So like, yeah. In terms of Savannah's survivor arc, it's interesting that her story book ends in two ways around this block of vote. Because in her winning season, the block of vote plays a big part when Stephen Ram ends up going on a journey and ends up with for this. I forget was the word that they are some.

11:40You're going to have to exert yourself. I forget what the word was that they used to describe his journey. And he came back with a block of vote. And you had Riz God telling everybody like, oh, he must have the steal of vote. He must have a very powerful advantage for what he ended up doing. He actually had the weak advantage, the block of vote, which that Stephen was able to sort of like maximize the effect of that because people didn't know what he had. And they were scared of what he had. Here's Savannah now in the same situation she goes on a journey comes back with a block of vote. And I wonder if she was thinking like, hey, it's better off that for them to imagine that I have something more powerful. But it ended up making her a bigger threat because what they imagined she had was actually much more significant than what she truly had. I wonder had she come back and said, hey, listen, look at what I got. It's just a block of vote.

12:41And they're like, okay, well, who cares if she has a block of vote? I mean, does she have five block of votes? What is she doing with that here in this group? I think it would have helped her case to stay. Maybe perhaps had she come clean that she didn't have something that was that powerful. Right, but who really is the viable other target? Like, is it Aussie? Are they voting out Aussie over Savannah here? Like, what is like, I guess like my question is like, what is she even like, you know, is she really, is that ever going to happen? I don't know. Could she maybe use this as leverage where, okay, she's on the bottom and I'd love to explore more. What are the true dynamics within this tribe? But in the same way that we saw Aussie give his advantage to Suri, hey, can you help me do something with this? And maybe Savannah, this isn't how she's thinking about the game. But if she goes to Christian or Rick Davins and says, hey, I've got this advantage. I don't know what to do with it. Can you help me? Now all of a sudden, I think there's a paradigm shift where it's like, okay, how do we keep Savannah around that she's going to give us this advantage?

13:46And maybe they snaker and they take her advantage, but she went home anyway. So I think it was probably in a case where you have nothing. I think everybody you dream about having that went worth moment of I'm the underdog. I'm on the bottom, but I have my advantage and I play it at the exact perfect time and I completely turn my game around. But I think that you might need to think about, how do I make myself into an asset for the powerful people in the game? More so than how do I become a one person wrecking ball and take, take power back in some way with this advantage? Yeah, I mean, that's that's a very good point. You know, and I've always said that about advantages generally is that the problem with them is that they can kind of lose sight of the game in front of you. And you start making decisions based on like things that might happen in three or four tribal councils and not what's what's going on right in front of you. I mean, Savannah thought she was a part of an alliance that was targeting Aussie that said she did see her two allies fighting on the beach for quite some time. And then also she one ally wouldn't tell the other ally about the alliance, which was its own sort of strange thing.

14:54I mean, but yeah, I mean, again, I just I think she was in sort of an unenviable position here. Like, did she improve her position? No, like, you're right. Like, could she have like gone to Rick? But does she know that Rick is even a power player? Like, you know, we just don't know what what her perception was. And I think that'll be interesting from her exits. It's just like what she saw the tribe dynamics as to me. I was very surprised that Savannah ended up going out in this episode. I felt like that there weren't a lot of clues as that she was going to be the person to go out. And if you would have given me a choice at the start of the season, who's going to go on a deeper run in this season? Savannah or Rizzo, I would have said Savannah 100 times out of 100. I really thought that she was going to be able to come in confident. And I thought that maybe she might be able to connect with D as another winner. And I really did not think people were going to worry too much about Savannah. So I really was surprised that she ends up not only going out early, but going out before Rizzo.

15:55Yeah, I mean, the fact that she won, you know, probably I wonder like how much is that weighing on people's minds? You know, we know she did something great. Like, we know that she was she did something on her season to jump. I mean, not just to justify coming back, she like both won her season and justify coming back. And those are like two kind of separate things. Like it's not just that she's a big character. She also had to have been a big player. So like in that way, I wonder if that was sort of, you know, affecting the vote as well. Okay, let's talk about the big story this week. Let's talk about Rick Devins versus Joe. And I'm really interested to know your take on this because to me, I understood where both of these guys were coming from. But I have to say I did not see from what I saw in the episode. And I know we don't see everything. I did not see Joe being as frustrating as the other players in the tribe seem to be frustrated with Joe.

16:57I did not see Joe doing anything that was really mucking up the works. But everyone was so in agreement. Yes. And I do feel like there's a certain, like a certain type of annoying, but annoying. Because obviously I don't think Joe is being annoying, but like a certain type of interaction that is very hard to represent in the edit. And that's things that happen like in like casual conversations over time, right? Like obviously the episode edit, like favors like confrontations, if favors explosive moments. But if someone is annoying, again, I don't think Joe is annoying. And like subtle ways. And everyone's like, why do you all hate Sierra? Like you're going to say, you know, it didn't come, it didn't come across on the screen. You know, but like every freaking moment I was living with her and over time that bill up. And I'm sure that that is part of it for with this Joe stuff where there's like no one thing that is bothering people. But like if everyone is in agreement and like, you know, you see like Christian complaining, Christian is like the most like gentle kind person that I know.

17:59And he's like, oh my gosh, this is like frustrating and like that scene where he's like literally rocking. Yeah. Joe is hammock, like it's a cradle. I was so wonderful, so emblematic. Like you couldn't write something like that. It's just like so on the nose in terms of its like symbolism. And like speaking to him, you know, just like calmly and like, you know, okay, I understand where you're coming from. You know, and we saw that we saw that on 48, right? Like in terms of not having seen that here, we 100% saw that where everybody on 48 was also frustrated that they had to like play this honor and integrity game. You know, you still have Camilla talking about it. Like I had to always like play around this like the ethics that like dominating my season. And so I'm not surprised that that's like then, you know, manifesting here. Um, you know, we saw a whole season of it. So let's see if we can figure out exactly where the disconnect was with this group. Now we didn't see it so much in this episode. But in the last week's episode, we saw a lot of Joe and Savannah talking. And it seemed like to me that they were a pair in the episode where they were presented with the idea that they didn't want to work with Aussie and Surie.

19:06And that maybe should we go with Aussie potentially? And we saw them talking about it that they didn't necessarily love how connected Aussie and Surie were. In this episode, we didn't see so much talk about that Joe and Savannah were a pair other than that they were approached as a duo to join up with Aussie and with Rick Devins in the episode. If anything, what was interesting was Aussie when that conversation was talking about I'll do anybody but Joe. And we had not really seen Joe and Aussie connected where it seemed like that Joe was maybe even open to voting out Aussie in the last episode. So to me, that was one surprising thing that came up in this episode that Aussie said anybody but Joe. Yeah, and some of that might just be like he wants to win challenges. Yes. There's the way forward. Like that's Aussie mentality, but I'm sure too they do have some bond. And it was exciting last last episode seeing Joe, you know, considering voting out Aussie because that was so different from the way he played 48.

20:13Yeah. So I'm wondering how much was Savannah maybe a consensus vote for the group after she comes back from the journey, maybe even that just gets decided while she's on the journey. She comes back and we feel like that maybe Rick Devins and company. They're not buying that story that she comes back and tells about how hey, I just didn't lose my vote and I didn't get anything and I was like, not buying it. But now can we trust Joe with this information? Can we tell Joe what we want to do and do we how do we lie to Joe and how's Joe going to react because Joe can be an intense guy. Anyway, congratulations to Joe. Did you see the Joe is cast in a new Tyler Perry firefighter show that's coming out? It's incredible. That's amazing. So exciting. I'll watch that. Yeah. Everybody thought, okay, everybody's going to suck up to Mike White, but don't forget that the Tyler Perry is still out there folks. Yeah. Okay. So does that seem plausible to you that maybe the plan was always Savannah and that the big thing that maybe they didn't show us in the episode.

21:19Because maybe it spoils tribal council is, okay, we all want to vote out Savannah and we know how much Christian in particular wants there to be tribe unity. We can't tell Joe that the vote is going to be Savannah, but what are we going to tell him? I think that was what's in the episode, right? Like that's the scene between Joe and Christian where like Joe's like, what's the plan tonight and Christian's like, well, I want to tell you, but I don't want to upset you. You know, I think that was the that that was the scene. Yeah. Where he's like like literally rocking him, you know, because he likes trying to like cuddle him as he like tells him, hey, we're going to vote out your ally, but I don't want this to like blow up in our faces. And maybe some of it is that they're all coming in with their preconceptions about Joe. You know, I'm sure some of it is up stuff that's happening on the beach, but like, you know, Joe, like we said Joe was up for Aussie last week, you know, Joe goes along with the Savannah plan this week. So I'm, you know, maybe some of it just is like who they perceive Joe to be and like this idea of Joe is kind of being a cooler rather than actually.

22:19So yeah, I had some sympathy for Joe here in this episode. And listen, I've never been the biggest survivor. I feel like that Joe and again, we don't see everything. It seemed like that people were reacting more to the Joe and remember when they filmed this, this was like a week after they just watched Survivor 48. I felt like that they were reacting more to Joe on Survivor 48 versus anything we saw Joe doing in Survivor 50. But I'm just like saying, I'm sure there's like, I agree with you, but I'm also sure that there's stuff that we're just not seeing. Like there's just like some aspect of like him communicating that sort of honor and integrity, you know, POV. And honestly, like that may have intensified since Survivor 48. You know, like what Mike, Mike White had that great quote that was in some of his press, like about like these people are like crowdsourcing their personalities. Everyone is coming in with like the most intensified version of themselves.

23:19And especially someone like Joe, who's just been on his season, who's just been like lauded to the heavens for like his great honor and integrity personality, who was just like invited to every award show because of his moment with Eva. And then here's another younger woman who he's in the position of potentially protecting. You know, like I'm sure that it's very coded for him that like this is like this is the path forward for him. If I may push back on that, I don't know if Joe is necessarily preaching honor and integrity and loyalty. In the same way we've seen coach talk about it again in season 50 that I think that Joe came into this season very wounded and wary of that. What are people not telling me and we heard him say a word to Rick a couple of different times of hey, I'm looking to build trust and maybe trust is honor and integrity 2.0. But I think that for Joe, I think it's very important. You need to go slow first with Joe before you can go fast and you have players like devins like Emily, like Christian and fast, fast sort of sorry is on this tribe.

24:26They are playing the game at 100 miles an hour. And I think that Joe isn't necessarily opposed to some of these things. But I think that's Joe wants to like whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, slow down here. What are we doing? How do I know if I can trust you? Let's let and in the same way that we heard Kyle talk about the game and it makes sense that Joe and Kyle have a similar sensibility about the game. Kyle said last week that the game is about people. You got to you got to make the relationships first and then you can play the game with these people. And I think that for some of the other players on the tribe, they weren't necessarily taking the time to invest in the relationship with Joe. I think that maybe they might have just prejudged him of like he's not going to ultimately jive with the way we play the game. And I think that they were to use Christians words playing around Joe more so than how do we bring Joe into the fold? Yeah, I'm just assuming though, like that based on the fact that both Christian and Rick are saying this thing that there's like something is happening.

25:28It's not just what they've seen. I'm sure it's like interactions that we are not seeing. I mean Rick says like Joe is someone who you know I can't you know it's worth discussing whether like Rick is right here. I'm not like absolutely agreeing with Rick. Rick says you know like what we're lying to each other. Guess what? It's a survivor. You have to give people grace. You have to like let them go have private conversations. You have to like let them like people get to lie to you like you know like that's part of the game. I mean Rick had a real trial by fire. Ha ha in his season when like you know like everyone was lying to him right. Like that was Rick's whole season arc was that you know everyone was constantly lying to him and then he kept surviving episode to episode. So everyone's got there like you know they're pre see their you know their former traumas that they're working through. But I do believe Rick and I don't you know whether or not you agree with him. Like I do believe Rick when he says like like Joe is someone who like you know you can't lie to Joe. I have a secret conversation around Joe like. And you see the way that he you know engages with Rick in that and that scene.

26:29Now Rick was probably wrong too right but Rick Fess is up to being wrong right Rick set like in that scene by the water well. When Joe says like hey what was that thing with Savannah like that I caught like Joe thinks he snipped out a lie which is completely reasonable give you know. And Rick's like it was nothing you know like Rick obviously is a little bit like wary about it. And I think Rick was like that right like everyone watching is thinking like just tell him like you're literally the thing you're hiding from him is an alliance with him. But then Rick Fess is up and hey that was a bad moment that was a bad survivor moment like I messed up. And I don't know like it was interesting like you know of course I like reflexively take Rick side he's like one of my best friends from the show. But I also one of I said one of okay. I don't know I don't know I don't rank. So so but I also like I don't know I also see Joe's perspective I really do see Joe's perspective here because like. He I would also be a little like very weirded out if I saw someone with like I was about to have a conversation two people whispered together and then.

27:33You know the person wouldn't give me a straight answer about what what it was about. And then when I had the sit down Rick's argument is like oh I'm allowed to lie to you I would be like wait a second I don't want that I don't want that at all I don't want you to be allowed to lie to me so I get it from both sides. Spring is finally here and now that means that people are going to start seeing what's been under your jacket that whole time and a good wardrobe comes down to pieces that mix well and hold up over time. That's what Quince does best they've got premium materials thoughtful design on every day essentials that are easy to wear and easy to rely on all year round. Quince has a ton of stuff that I actually am looking for in the closet like weight cashmere sweaters short sleeve Mongolian cashmere polos linen shorts tees and 100% Pima cotton and European Jersey linen versatile pieces the key to survivor is versatility and that's what makes a great wardrobe work season a season.

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30:44I didn't know what it's an interesting question because I just that because we've always thought that the rule is hey say yes to every alliance that comes up on survivor but maybe is it possible that there was some fear of hey we're playing with fire. If it does and he also know that the cake is already baked that Savannah is about to go home at the next tribal council so I'm going to get into a four person alliance with Aussie Joe and Savannah and then I'm going to have to lie to at least Joe and Savannah here about what's going to happen potentially Aussie also if he thinks we're in a four person alliance and then do I take all of the blame when Savannah goes home because everybody's like Rick how did you do this to us you flipped yeah that's a really great point. I actually hadn't thought through it at all like that it's Joe like Rick's concern here potentially is that Joe is going to think okay we just formed an alliance then they're going to vote out Savannah and also the other target is Aussie like those are two of the targets is Aussie and Savannah and then Joe's going to be like mad at him because he immediately flipped but he can't tell that to Joe because if he says that to him then he's like revealing that he's already betrayed him in his heart.

32:01Right but I will say that's a really good point but Rick Rick says in the sort of like later confrontation where like the post challenge confrontation that gets a little more heated he says like that was a bad moment like I messed up like he admits he flops that. Yeah I think that he was definitely a little flummixed in terms of like what do I do in this position because I know I'm probably supposed to say yes to this alliance but in Rick's mind if you were looking at this seven person tribe who are the three people that are on the bottom of this tribe. It's Savannah Joe and Aussie it's like do I want to make a four person alliance with the three people on the bottom in this group yes I guess I could potentially be a swing vote but I love the alliance that I'm in which I also thought from this episode that especially when we see Christian and Rick Devins and Surrey talking at the well I think that Christian Rick Devins and Emily think that Surrey is therefore even though Surrey's true number one is probably Aussie. Yeah I mean I see where with Emily and Surrey together and Emily's like haha I want to get out Aussie it's so funny it's so interesting to me because like watching at home you think oh my gosh like how could these people like forget that these they played like three seasons together I was in this position you know with in Cambodia with Tasha and Spencer now granted they were on different tribes to start but I was like oh yeah like this is a new game you know like Tasha is my ally she's not with Spencer.

33:27But of course of course they were together like that was like one of the big lessons was like the history trumps you think like it's a new game where I'll play what's right in front of us but the history actually I think in many many situations trumps the thing and right right in front of you and especially with Serena Aussie who've been playing together for decades or multiple multiple seasons the fact that they forgot but like you think like you kind of lose sight of it because you're like playing the game in front of you which you told to do but in fact you know in fact that that history is so interesting. This is really really significant. I also want to bring in what you were talking about with Christian and Joe and just the contrast between how Christian handled his conversation with Joe versus what Rick had to his conversation with Joe where that Joe is such an interesting person to watch and the way that when you know he gets he gets so intense and you can see that he's really feeling very strongly about what's going on and Christian has this other approach where he is able to really suit Joe and is able to he I'd love to talk more about this and maybe we'll do another video about this just this everything with the body language and Christian know then lowers himself to a different position and then what a visual of him rocking Joe in the hammock and ultimately soothing him and he they do get Joe.

34:54Do you get Joe to the point where that I don't know if he was comfortable or not but at least he feels like hey at least they're not lying to me I'll write down Savannah's name yeah I mean that's right that's right and I probably was you know part partially I mean you know it was interesting because like Joe had a very similar thing with I mean there was not the Rick confrontation like his his sort of like blow up with Shaheen was was not dissimilar right where um he thought that Shaheen was like going behind his back and and Joe got super indignant about it right they had some sort of like emotional like emotional confrontation like is that sort of thing there Rob so I think it speaks to how Joe might react to feeling like somebody betrayed him now in that instance that Kyle told Joe a fish tail Shaheen had not actually been going behind and Shaheen is like hey hey what are you talking about man I didn't do that and he's like really you don't have anything to tell me right now Shaheen nothing nothing so you can see that when Joe feels like that I can't trust this person or this person is is blatantly lying to me and especially coming off of where Kyle and Camilla did these things behind his back like I think he's very sensitive to that

36:07and it's something that he's already on the lookout for in this season and then sort of have it come up in his face about like okay I I saw Savannah tell you something and I know you're lying to me why won't you just tell me what it is yeah no that would be very frustrating for sure and especially if like that's literally what you're like number one concern is is being like deceived by you know a male ally and their their female sidekick like that's literally the thing that you know it's so that's what I love about the season it's like everyone's got their triggers so we're all they're all such like it's so good and we it's so earned and we know all these things about these characters yeah I'd love to talk more about Rick and Christian they come up with this plan of that we fuzzy Christian find the Billy Eilish boomerang idol there's two there's there's one every drive I guess so maybe the other tribe didn't know it couldn't find it but he ends up sending it away well let's come back to that but we end up with a plan that ends up a real caper at the end of the episode where Rick Devins he's been thinking about what does he want to do when he comes back

37:12he's like I got it let's plant a fake idol you have the note I'll plant a fake idol at tribal for us to come back and pick it up later it's so good it's so good like it's so so so good I mean it's totally new you know it's sort of like in the zeitgeist a little bit in the ether like because we all we all remember like Adam try to wrestle the idol off of like so like the idea of there being an idol potentially a tribal council is out there and Rick just has this idea of like playing to it so brilliantly and setting something up now that to be pay off you know and who knows how many tribal councils I mean what's so cool about the tribal council specifically is it's like the one place that everybody goes whether you're swapped whether you merge tribal council will be consistent and just like truly like a totally new thing to try and do it's fun it's strategic it's theatrical like the total package for that moment yeah so the really fun part comes at the end of the episode

38:15where okay we need Rick to be able to plant it and is he going to just be the last person to leave and we're going to see him end up making a mad dash but Christian who has certainly maybe not been feeling 100% we see him end up taking a dive and this was such a brilliant moment I also wonder how much that Christian took from Mike White from survivor David versus Goliath where Mike White really was able to lower his threat level by doing things like beam bubbling hey where's my water bottle where am I and so Christian is able to really not only create the diversion but also it seems like that people are very much concerned for his well being after and we saw what happened to him in the beginning of the episode where Christian also does seem a little bit off to me I have to say as somebody who's been a friend of Christian and a Christian observer for many years he seems a little bit like he has moments of where he's completely on it but he does seem like he's a little diminished in these conditions

39:22they've also they have they don't have the flint in this tribe so there's a lot with this tribe that maybe that they are not doing so great but he ends up taking this spill which allows Rick Devins to be able to plant the idle and it was just an incredible survivor moment it was like oceans two I mean it was just so good it was oceans 50 oceans 50 that's better maybe I mean the 11 is like the 11 people on it but yeah yeah it was yeah and we knew there was going to be a diversion but I thought it was going to be like like a cough or like a hey guys like him completely wiping out it was so great and such a fun and into the episode in a way that like it was a little predetermined I felt like I kind of had a sense that Savannah was going to go right by the tribal council but then to have this like really fun cookie again like theatrical and strategic moment was just was just like I loved it yeah and so now we have also that you got to imagine at some point later on this season this is going to pay off right this is I hope so checkoffs fake idle we're going to get that we're going to get this moment at some point later on the season

40:25I hope so I'm I'm just crossing my fingers I let it pay off magnificently please yeah did Rick put it in a place that's too visible to the other plate it's hard to get a good lay of the land but it almost seems like that Rick put it in a place where that maybe other people will see it and reach for it at tribal council it looked like he pretty wedged it in there pretty far I mean you know there's a lot going on at tribal council like loose stones like you're focused on Jeff like unless you were like really looking for something right in front of you I guess it's possible but I have again like my default is that Rick made a good choice and you know I'm sure he put it in a good spot you mentioned the Adam Klein Idol in winners at war probably one of the most iconic moments from that season I think that really the only moments that we really talk about that from that season are when they have to lots of ones visit with everybody and Adam tried to play the fake idol I love that the Adam fake idle moment might be the thing that really sets this up and it is even more important plot point in survivor history

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43:36let's talk about the VATU tribe and with that I want to bring in Aubrey because Aubrey has been on a real Odyssey over these couple of episodes where we saw the conversation with Genevieve last week which really was a little off putting and it was like what's going on with Aubrey and Genevieve and then we see in this episode that Genevieve believes that and I thought this was very astute on Genevieve's part of hey I got an idol I sent somebody else an idol it's possible somebody on our tribe has received an idol and maybe that's the reason why the vibes have been off with Aubrey because maybe she has a thing she's being very protective of her bag and Stephen the gamesmanship and the bringsmanship of the players of these capers and everybody is playing their part and the bag search even though it did not lead to a idol being found in Aubrey's bag it was so good everybody was on point yeah you had Stephanie who was there like she went and had like a conversation with Aubrey

44:40this was really oceans 11 this was everybody had a part to play Q was a lookout what was it Colby was in the who's in Genevieve we're doing the bag search also the craziest part of this was that Genevieve had every part of it right except like the timing timing is everything you do this the next day you got her nail to the wall that's crazy that's so crazy she's just right house daily so that's you know she get partial credit for that Christian ends up getting the idol and he has to figure out what to do with it and it was so fun and one of the great reasons about having Christian back is okay you get to watch his mind work in the real time with the Billy Eilish Boomerang idol what do I want to do with this what's the right way to play this and then he says wouldn't it be hilarious to send this to Angelina and I really thought okay that might make some sense because Angelina based off

45:42at least of what we saw from her in David versus Goliath might be the type of player who broadcast that she has an idol and potentially could make herself into a target with this idol which is exactly the scenario that Christian needs is for her to get voted out with said idol but he ultimately changes course and goes with Aubrey I'd love to talk about your thoughts on this pick for the Billy Eilish Boomerang Yeah and a very different strategy right then Genevieve's because Genevieve's strategy was Aub sorry Aussie has had the best you know as the likeliest chance of getting voted out of the idol because he's like we've literally seen him do that and so I want this to be in there but is that what she said yeah she said that Aussie's like the one person who has been voted out with him and therefore like he's the only person who I have like some kind of data on in terms of being voted out with an idol so like I mean I'm sure she all it seemed like they both have the same strategic considerations like one this is a potential ally to if this person gets voted out like that's going to be good for me I felt like Genevieve put more heat onto the like

46:45I'm going to give it to a person who's going to be who could be voted out and Christian put more heat into like I'm going to build a potential ally with this and I think I mean I'm curious like what do you think I mean which of these two approaches is the better one? I just disagree that that's was Genevieve's fundamental reasoning for why she did what she did I think that that she brought in Colby and Stephanie and I think that they felt like hey Aussie is somebody that we can work with and so maybe Aussie has Aussie has been voted out in the past with an idol but I feel like it was more of a friendship move more so than trying to set a trap for Aussie oh I mean look I mean it seemed like it was both because again like she literally said that so but I do feel like this was I mean we'll talk about it even on the merits of who they sent it to then and obviously some of it is like who who's said doing the sending right like some of it is if it's Colby and Stephanie sending it to Aussie like that sort of like you know they're sort of from the same era of time versus like Christian

47:48and Aubrey are obviously a little bit closer in terms of like when they were on the season I mean this was the right pick right unequivocally for or this was a great pick I don't know like I mean Aubrey is somebody who is feeling very isolated on her tribe she's like clearly is feeling like a lack of connection she gets like emotional she starts crying I think right when when she gets this I want to like someone is looking out for me out there like someone wants to build a bond like that's something that's gonna like that's gonna have dividends right like if if Christian can get connected to her then that's a real potentially a really really great bond that they have I also think like Christian and Aubrey are sort of in the same you know they're in the same world of it feels like a natural ally and this is like deepening that that's so I wonder if Christian could be taking a page out of something that we heard Sophie say in winners at war where she wanted to work with you all because that she looked at you all as a nerd shield of war for Christian as he got towards the end of David versus Goliath

48:48that was he feeling a little bit like hey I'm sort of an outlier everybody's looking at me but if I try to keep as many Christian type players in the game for as long as possible I'm not as much as an outlier if I get to a certain point in the game I think that has got to be 100 because you're right like David versus Goliath he was like the ultimate David on the David's tribe he got targeted every single episode they were going for Christian and I think that has to be part of his alliance with Seri too it's like she is the biggest you know strategic target in the game and like granted she's like the strategic wizard but is she you know final five you know who's everybody going to be worried about it's going to be Seri how would you play the Billy Eilish boomerang idol I would do it basically like Christian did I would like who's going to be my best ally someone I want to like advance their position in the game then I can go to them later and like have alliance dividends and if they get voted out that's great

49:48like you know then it comes back to me that's fine like there's an upside for me there but ultimately I think I'm looking to build an alliance like what about you and who specifically if you are Christian who are you sending this to not like if you're Christian but I think if Rob Sesternino is there instead of Christian who are you sending it to instead of Christian I'm trying to think of who's out on some of these other tribes that I could potentially work with at this point and yeah I do think that giving it to somebody who's an underdog who is not necessarily going to be running an alliance you don't think that necessarily Aubrey is running things so I like that but I think that I might be thinking about maybe I think I probably might have sent it to Genevieve herself yeah Genevieve is a good one I might think about Genevieve too somebody who doesn't really have a lot of other people out there who looks like that maybe because you don't know what the tribe dynamics are and Genevieve is actually doing a lot better than I thought she was going to be doing I thought that people might look at her as a very sharky player and maybe not want to work

50:50with her so she's actually ingratiated herself incredibly well so it would have been maybe a bad move on my part to send it to somebody who looks like they're in a really great spot yeah I might think about Mike White and not just because of like the White Lotus jokes but like I feel like you know he might be someone who I think you know like would be sort of in a very similar position to Aubrey but have a little bit more cache where like I you're also thinking like who's going to be in a good spot come the merge if I'm in trouble you know or I come a swap if I'm in trouble who can help me out a little bit Stephen do you feel like that the way the Billy Eilish boomerang idol works at all and forget the that the idol comes back to you but it's the same sort of idea as the exile alliance in survivor token chains what do you mean in that right didn't you go to exile island and then you have to tell somebody about that where the clue was to the idol at the other camp yeah yeah well the clues and I can think the same place I think you I don't remember I think they got clues because I've never got that clue yeah I think they got like one of them got a clue and like they figured out that it was in the same place of both camps

51:51so Brendan actually just sort of figured it out for everybody but but what about what do we have we actually didn't even talk about this like do you like this mechanic this game mechanic of like it's an idol you have to send it to somebody but they could get but if they're voted out you get it back yeah I think it's pretty good I don't dislike it inherently because it's the Billy Eilish idol I talk about on one of the other podcasts last week that what if they just misplay it if they if you can get them to use their idol and it does they don't use it to save themselves then you get it back also I don't know that's like that's overpowered because then they're just going to play the idol you know immediately you know if you if you meet up with them like hey you can freebie here play this idol if you know you're basically a freebie idol play out of that yeah but but um well but they have to say like what will you play and give it back to me as like yeah maybe not yeah but even so it's like if that's your ally it's like it's overpowered but but I I like it too I think it's it's a fun wrinkle for the idol it like it adds like a strategic

52:53dimension it adds a really social dimension which is good like the more um the more so like you know social game mechanics I think the better the reason why I suspect that is that I want to give you a prediction opportunity will someone get voted out with an unused billy eyelash boomerang idol and will we ever see in season 50 the idol boomerang back to somebody wow I don't think I don't think so either I don't think people I mean I think after like post we're still in a post 46 world I think people are going to be kind of yeah that's kind of I thought that maybe I have another mechanism of if you play it incorrectly it also comes back because I think that we we want to see the more place yeah more idol plays more boomerangs true yeah okay I want to talk a little bit about with this tribe about the importance of work ethic on survivor oh yeah what a great moment that was well a few different moments so with between Riz God who we saw that back with Colby

53:55in the first episode where he's like this kid he doesn't have a good work ethic where he's not even helped me build a shelter and then we saw Riz God being like I don't like this I'm I'm going back to the shelter and then we saw cue talking about Riz God we saw cue talking about Angelina how she is a statue and doesn't do any work around the tribe and with these old school players coming back and cue who also had issues with Jolinsky that quit the challenge you cue does have a work ethic to him that this is a big deal on this tribe yeah it is funny it doesn't have this sort of like old I mean the fact that the first conversation I mean I guess it's cue but it's like Colby versus Rizzo you know it's like you couldn't have like a more old school new school and Rizzo's like perspective is like what do I want to work like why do I want to exhaust myself like catching a crab like I mean I didn't come out here to camp yeah I do think some of that is the time you know the time difference like 26 days versus 39 days you know the just like Colby's obviously still in like

54:57a 30 you know he's played multiple times everyone every time was 39 days you sort of like had to provide for yourself and I think that there's like two fewer weeks is just you know you can you can just last that much longer I don't know where are you where I mean I'm like so you know I just instinctively sat with like the work hard people but I don't know where you so to me the idea of working hard versus not working hard is really the social game you got to be able to read the room in terms of hey if you're Rizzo and the people that are the bosses of the tribe if your boss is saying like hey what we do around here we get firewood we work on the shelter we go crabbing that you better get to it and if you're on a tribe that's all lazy people I mean this is also like survivor 101 type stuff if you're on a tribe with people who don't want to work if you're on a tribe full of Riz gods don't be the one person who's making them all look bad and like hey guys come on let's get some firewood today so it really

55:58is a matter of reading the room and so if I'm Rizzo and I'm trying to but find my way into this alliance with Colby with Stephanie with Q I'm following those people around all day long and doing whatever they want to do it's funny like he like fains an injury I wonder if he thinks that gets him off you know he's like oh my finger I need to go disinfect this yeah I'm on see you guys like that was like the worst fake injury I didn't survive or his I don't even if there have been other fake injuries but this is either way this is the worst yeah Tyson said his shoulder was worse than it was right right he played that up this is sort of the same kind of caliber let's talk more about injuries because it looked like for a second we were going to lose coach permanently yes is his we got to talk about coach just generally this episode right yeah his his calves his crabs cramped up he couldn't yeah out in the there what I love about coach as a TV character there's a lot of love about him as a human is how he is both a little absurd but also so sincere like he

56:59owns it he's he's able to have the confessional afterwards that was like you know I wanted to prove to myself I could still compete in like here I am I can barely walk yeah so coach has before that this moment on the beat and the Aussie versus coach just keeps on giving I don't ever want to hear anything about South Pacific wasn't a good season because it sets up all of this sounds truly like this retroactively make South Pacific yes a better season like the fact that it leaves that we're getting all of this earned battle back and forth and it was a great moment where we saw Aussie roll his eyes about that coach it was it was brought up I feel exactly I'm going to go back to my notes of what we said I can oh what was amazing about it yes was that this is in the context of Kyle's evacuation yes like that's that's what was so great about it was like I mean obviously there's a lot that's great about it like you know Camilla is like weeping and then like Jeff like puts it to Aussie like does this make you you know and you know Jeff is setting this up like Jeff is just like this like setting this up and Aussie like does this make you like

58:02think about how you could be evacuated you know and then Aussie of course like mentions the challenge and Jeff looks like coaches like yeah what about you what do you think about all this so I think that that coach talks about that you want to come into this game and have a shred of dignity and then Aussie is like this guy and that's when coach wants to set the record straight now coach says after everything he said was very intentional in this moment what did you think about what coach was trying to do and was it effective well so you're saying that what coach is trying to do is to be like is to set like make it clear to everybody that he's playing with integrity and that he's a person who can be trusted is that what you're saying that's coach said after everything I said in that after before the challenge was all intentional so I'm asking you if you thought it was a good move and did coach need to do this I mean I just think the fact that this is all in the context of them weeping over learning. More bitterly hilarious feel very like thin and silly like you know

59:07like my dignity and my honor and like coach your man without honor and like literally everybody else is like weeping about about Kyle being pulled it just like it feels like so superficial and a great way I mean like a way that's like perfect television and obviously again Jeff 100% set them up yeah but it really does feel like the coach and Aussie situation is smoldering and building towards something yeah yeah I mean building towards great TV maybe also something else yeah okay so we saw coach and I thought that what was interesting about this episode was that we did get so many human moments of that you know so many ways that these are the legends and legends but we're seeing their mortality shine through where coach the great warrior is unable to get it has to get rescued by a boat out in the ocean Aussie has talked about umpteen times his back is not what it used to be his back is toast it's toasted even Christian ends up succumbing to severe

1:00:11gastrointestinal distress he doesn't say severe but he does say gastrointestinal yes also you have Colby with his eye I got this is my bum here yeah yeah wrist god has a infected finger yeah I mean I do think I mean I think those are two separate things right with with the old guys and with Christian I mean it is fun to kind of see the sort of like legends having the game catch up with them feels like it like it almost like elevates survivor into this more makes it in my mind like more legendary like you see the effects over time on people but but um yeah I like that I like that it's like a real part of the story now is like these people who who have been you know we saw them as like in their 20s being like physical times and now like they're in their 50s and they're like you know struggling but you talked about this when you went back and I don't think it's totally a dissimilar thing with Christian where you talked about how and I'm not sure exactly the time off in between seasons from when you play

1:01:13but I think it's actually pretty close from 18 to 31 to when Christian plays in 30s actually it's like yeah they're both 13 13 and there was a year off when there was no survivor for Christian that you talked about how you played the game as as a young man and then and then you played it as an adult and how much harder it was to come back at a later stage in life yeah I mean it definitely is I mean just like even you know even if you're like someone like me or like Christian you know who is not necessarily considered to be the most physical person like you're just like I have an older body right like it's just like it's not as resilient like as you get older you're like body becomes less you know physically resilient like right that's that's no news yes but you really feel it acutely on survivor I mean I you know here's what bothers me about the whole Christian thing and obviously thank you for the gastrointestinal distress shout out I'm so honored to be the patron saint yes yes on survivor we all yeah and Bruce kind of guy you you move came before us all but but um you know Christian was trying to get away he was very politely saying he came a man like yeah give me some dignity like I don't

1:02:16want this like he needed a save word I have to go poop like please can I have some like human dignity here and they're like nope we got you we got you you know like why is it always the nerds that they show you know having stomach issues like you know does Joe not poop like they can show Joe never see Joe at having more fun on survivor than talking about the whole Christian thing Aussie is on only fans nobody's talking about what's going on in his pants like why is it only what's happening in the nerds pants that is like making TV yeah it was great television and can't wait to watch the episode with my kids and get their reaction to it but it was an iconic moment and Stephen that should Christian just be really appreciative and grateful that he was not on a tribe with Abbey Maria yeah I guess so I guess hey Christian handled it with such grace yes like he was so I wish I could have handled my thing with as much grace as

1:03:18Christian do like he was like he laughed about it he made a joke about it was not presented as a light hearted moment like this was a car I was single for days yeah just seem like this was sort of an accident that happened literally yeah no literally but like also like that's why like why is it like why do we have to like make fun of someone who's like having like a stomach issues you know like why does it have to be a comic moment like like give him some dignity you know truly I'm not working through anything I'm not talking you know I'm not talking to myself do you think those pants have been retired probably I noticed in shorts the rest of the episode yeah they probably I don't know okay all right well let's go back to the tribe with coach where we then after they came back from the water that there was a little bit of discussion in terms of who is the tribe looking at and while last week it was a lot of talk about D this was now we're talking about Chrissy potentially and it didn't seem like that they were they were telling us Chrissy was in trouble but I wasn't really seeing Chrissy other than she's mothering the tribe I wasn't really getting

1:04:22what Chrissy is doing that is so irritating to the rest of the tribe I know and again I think this has to be a thing like with Joe where it's like one of these things that like never quite communities communicate in the edit but like I she's like oh look she's like massaging his caps is so annoying that she's taking care of us and please but it looks like that Chrissy will get a reprieve from this tribe yeah yeah the swap you know did it seem like Chrissy was in trouble and that seems like she's you know gonna get it yeah like you said yeah anything else from this group that we they got I think have the least screen time through the two episodes of the show we barely seen Charlie I mean like Charlie who was you know such a great character yeah you know who's very fun though is Camilla sitting out of the challenges that that was really such a fun moment and she's so good at giving her commentary during the challenges is so funny so we've barely seen Tiffany too like Tiffany Tiffany we have we have not seen very much at all okay Stephen last week on the show we forgot to give out the

1:05:25fishy award and I will not let this week's episode end without checking in with who gets the fishy well so last week I went to Christian for those of you who don't follow us on Instagram it Christian I thought was kind of like had the you know a great episode overall making you know fire with his glasses of course though that then sort of like having sort of like the best logic for why to vote out Jenna versus keeping Ciri I want to talk through it with you this week okay Rob because I got two candidates for for the fishy award this week the first is Ciri which was like this was another master class in Ciri survivor strategy right like we see her being best friends with everyone you know best friends with Emily best friends with Rick best friends with Chris Chris with Christian Christian you're wondering like why do these people why does everyone trust her like you've seen her on every freaking show beep everybody's best friend and

1:06:28slice their throats and yet here she is again and is working her magic she's got the Ciri missed where like she's able to sort of talk it in strategic everyone in circles and get her result you know Emily says that she wants Aussie out and by the end of the conversation Emily agrees with Ciri that Savannah should go you see the same conversation with Ciri and Christian with Ciri and Rick you have Aussie ultimately so grateful to Ciri for this he gives her the advantage yes so I thought great episode for Ciri I do think that they're sort of aware I mean you sort of kind of have Emily say like you know I think Ciri is trying to save Aussie they're a pair like we have to be aware that but again like master class from probably the greatest survivor social player ever yeah and okay give me what's option two well do you want to comment on option one before or I don't want to be on the scale too much but let me hear option two option two is Rick and just because I thought this

1:07:32thing with the idol was so smart it was so creative we've never seen this before right like this is like totally new and I think there's something to that like if we see someone working the strategic angles that they've worked in the past like that's brilliant and should be applauded but like true innovation in a game yeah is something that I think is like next level like taking this any instantly goes there he takes the note he places it he got he has the diversion and play he does it so expertly it's it's great TV but it really is great strategy yeah setting something up for later it is emerging gameplay but I think that the bird in the hand of what actually happened in this episode is worth more to me than what might happen down the road you always have the opportunity to when Rick Devins is about to get voted out reaches in plays the fake idol ends up getting one over on everybody somebody else goes home Rick Devins gets the fishy on that night in terms of what happened in this episode and when we're getting a master

1:08:34class from one of the all time greats are you really going to pass up an opportunity to give three a fishy no I will it's okay fishy for three and Rick's fishy is is out there it's Schrodinger's fishy if this works Rick Devins there is a fishy in your future but on the night when he's fighting with Joe and and even he's admitting he doesn't play that right I you have to give it to three who not only that Stephen managed to avoid survivors trap of making her walk on a balance beam again she manages like you know what I'm gonna be on the I'm gonna be in the water at the end fishing the rebounds out from throwing the ring tauts yeah fishy for three fishy for three um yeah so that yeah absolutely fishy for three totally both are again like a master class from the best of the best yes okay and kudos to Rick we can't wait to see how this plays out later on in the

1:09:34season with the hidden idol all right I know we got to start to wrap things up okay let's talk about what's coming up and first and foremost we're going to be together in person for a no it all's next week one week from tonight you and I will be back reunited for the first time in six years as we will I mean I've seen you since but yeah well we're going to do a lot of show together for the first time on stage in six years when we're going to be together at the Alex theater and that is going to be go to robinswebs.com slash events do we do we have these plugs anywhere that we that we could show to the people or not otherwise we also have maybe I'm just getting them oh there they are look at that look at this that okay okay here is go and join us robinswebs.com slash events at the Alex theater and if you're in the Los Angeles area or can get there then for our patrons that tickets are available now for our live show coming up in New York City coming up on May

1:10:366th the week that my book the tribe and I have spoken with forward from Stephen Fishback you can check that out at rob has a book.com okay first came I'm going to be at Wonderland books in Bethesda tomorrow Thursday at I believe 7 p.m. 7 p.m. and so if you're in the DMV area stop by it'll be really fun it's a great bookstore it's a new bookstore it's only been around for like about a year it's so charming and it's just a great local bookstore right off yeah just in Bethesda okay that's it all right then on Friday I'll be taking your calls of doing our patron call and show that's going to be live at 3 p.m. Eastern patrons come on in at robinswebs.com slash patron for that and then also this week we mentioned Andrea Belky plus I'll talk with Hunter and Kevin as we have a huge week to here on our HP plus everything else going on in our survivor podcast feed at we know survivor.com the B&B and

1:11:39wide blank loss survivor news check that out plus Australian survivor coverage and on Monday I'll get into everything with Chappelle we had a hilarious kickoff to the club condo season patrons only for club condo where we're going full tilt buggy okay also House of villains is back and we're talking about our friend Tyson on House of villains so check out me and Chappelle and Jenny every week on our House of villains recap as well not to mention everybody's in the group chat all the alumni are talking about every single episode you don't want to miss what they have to say about this or even House of villains now over on Chappie CC go to robinswebs.com slash VIP chat all right Stephen what a fun the episode so fun to talk about it here with you once again I can't wait to do it in person next week yeah so excited it's been such a great season such a great season really excited thank you so much for joining us we'd love to read we have to say in the comments take

1:12:40everybody a good one bye