Killer Cop Choked An Innocent Man With His Knee

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1:01She's W dying right now. I'm sorry, but I'm going to go into C or so I want it. I would go to that. Yeah. I'll sit here. You guys. I'm just going to throw this here. Yeah. How are you? My name's Brent. I'm at the BCA. I'm James. I'm CCA. And I'm Blake Hausser. Yep, yeah. Don't want your egg. Blake Hausser? OK. I need you my card, Bob. Do you have a new card? Yeah. Hey, just a second. Who is it? I'm going to make sure. Three, two, one. Great. Good collection. You guys want one too? Sure. I'll take care of that. Can I give you this box? Yeah, this one. Wherever that is. You're seeing them. That's the one I was telling you about. I'm going to read it over. And then sign it.

2:21I'm going to give you a reception here. It's kind of a black hole in here. Is there a chamber or something? I don't know. I think it depends on your service. Yeah, because it didn't work. It didn't work. It didn't work. Yeah. The horizon works pretty well now. But figures. Figures that AT&T wouldn't be reliable. All right. Thanks a lot. All right. Water's free if you need it. Okay. I guess just for purposes of the record.

3:22I'm just going to kind of do a little introduction here about just naming everybody that's here. But I want to make sure I have your name correct. Is it two? Is that how you pronounce your first name? That's correct. T-O-U. Do you have a middle name? I do not. And Tau. Do I have that right? T-H-A-O. Correct. Can I get a birthday for me, sir? All right. One, two, eight, six. One, two, eight, six. All right. How about an address? You don't pronounce yet about that. Whatever you want them to give. We've had information that there may be threats. So I don't want to have this address because I'm a public worker. Okay. What about phone? Same? Yeah. Okay. No worries. You guys want like a... You can use my office address in a video. I know he's no longer employed here. But I don't want to do anything to put him in danger. I totally understand. All I can do is ask. Okay. Let me respect that. That's fine. So today's date is June 2nd, 2020. The time is 15.05. The BCAK number is 20.238. 338. This is special agent Brent Peterson. This is special agent James Ryerson. FBI special agent Blake Hostetter.

4:24And we're here with two TOW. And his attorney, Mr. Robert Paulie. All right. So before we started here, I presented you with that form, the investigative warning form. You had an opportunity to review that? Yes. Discuss that prior with your attorney. All right. So is your understanding that you're here voluntarily? Yes. You realize you're not under arrest? You're going to be arrested? Do you understand? Okay. So everything that we're going to talk about here is on a voluntary basis. Do you bother anything you want to add before we kind of get into it? Or I don't have anything specific yet. Thank you. Okay. Great. All right. Well, if it's okay with you, I'd just like to kind of start and ask some questions. I'm usually just kind of start with some background information. That's okay. Okay. I guess just, can you tell me like what level of education you have after high school?

5:26Associates aren't law enforcement from North Carolina Community College. Okay. And when did you get your associate degree? What year? I guess roughly 2008. 2008? Okay. And then prior to becoming a police officer, manyapolis. What did you do for it with him? I did security. Where was it? Well, insecurity was the last time. Is that here in the Twin Cities? Right. Okay. What year did you get hired by manyapolis police? I believe 2008 was when I got hired as a community service officer. Okay. And can you just explain when a community service officer is for the city of Minneapolis? It's kind of a recruitment mechanism that kind of recruit folks from different backgrounds. I got applied and got accepted and pretty much is kind of a paper

6:27education and purpose for the police again. Okay. So is that a sworn license position as a community service officer? Okay. And how long did you do, were you in that position? Roughly a year and a half? A year and a half? Okay. And this would have been 08 into 09 or so. Yep. Okay. Do you have any prior military experience? No. Were you ever a police officer anywhere else other than city Minneapolis? No. Okay. So after the CSO or community service officer position, what's the next, I guess, step or progression? Thank you. The community service officer gets that they ask and get licensed, they get promoted to a recruit officer. Okay. At 10 you quiz again. Roughly do you remember when you started the recruit academy? I'd say, close 2009?

7:272009. Okay. And how long is the recruit academy? About, six, four to six months. Four to six months. Okay. And trial. No. Just rough estimate. Fine. So what's kind of the day-to-day at the academy? What do you do at the academy? What do you learn at the academy? Pretty much just kind of get the tools to become a police officer. Okay. Learn policy. And the skills that we're eventually using too. Like what are some examples of some things that you would learn at the academy? Policy, defensive tactics, scenario-based, training, firearm. Firearms? Yes. Did you ever have any formal training at the academy or even maybe after the academy in crisis intervention or de-escalation techniques or anything like that?

8:27Yes. A police department at some point had sent the whole department through a crisis intervention training. Okay. Do you recall how lengthy of a training that was? I think it was a week. It was a 40-hour or a week long. And you successfully completed that? Yes. Do you approximately know what year that was? I do not recall. Was it after the police academy? It was during the academy. I believe they have a little part of the CIT training. Yep. But I guess most of the intensive training occurred at maybe five year mark of my career? Okay. Just roughly. All right. So you were already on the job on the street and you went through that? Was that a voluntary thing or did they send? It was a mandatory thing. Okay. And you just so I'm clear you did successfully complete that?

9:27Yes. Okay. And when you say CIT, we're talking about crisis intervention training? Sure. Okay. And we'll come back to that a little bit. So in the academy, are you taught like first aid and CPR and things like that? Yes. What's like the highest or what level are you at as far as medical training? Of pretty much as this first aid and then refresher. Okay. Every few years. Okay. So basic like CPR first aid. You're not like an EMT or higher than that. No. Okay. And is that something that they train you in the academy and then you refresh every so often? Or is that a yearly refresher? I wouldn't say it's by yearly. Okay. And I remember offhandly. Okay. So after the academy period and what's kind of the next step in your training?

10:29You go through the field training officer school. Okay. And the abbreviation for that FTO. Okay. Approximately how long is that process for you? It's like six months process. So you have four to six months in the training academy and then another four to six or another six months. Roughly a couple of years. And then just kind of generally a high level. What would you do in it to your training? How does that work? Pretty much you kind of follow up. A mentor officer, an experienced officer. They kind of just teach you the ropes of being a police officer in the middle. Is it the same training officer through the entire process or do you? Yeah. How do you how do you mix that up? I believe every month you cycle through different training officers. Okay. So are you in different parts of the city and different shifts and things like that?

11:30Or do you kind of just stay on the same... You assigned a precinct for a few months and then you assigned a different precinct or different exposures. So during your FTO process, what precincts were you assigned? I was assigned first and I'm also third. Fourth, first and third. Okay. So fourth precinct is what part of the city? I have the North Minneapolis. First is downtown area and then well third is South Minneapolis. Okay. Did you successfully complete your FTO training or did you have to get kind of extra training? I did. I did get extra training. Like an extension. I think they call it a cart. Okay. And how long are the extensions? I don't recall. And maybe like a monetary or less. Okay. Obviously you successfully completed it.

12:30When you are going through FTO training, are you a fully licensed police officer at that time? Yes. Okay. So what was your most current role with the police department? What precinct were you all at? Third precinct. And patrol officer. I have a response for 9-1 response. Okay. What shift were you working? I met a watch. What are those hours? Before 2AM. Before 2AM. Okay. And did you have a specific district that you were assigned? Yes. Secretary. Secretary. Can you just... What are the borders of... Or what are the... What's the area that's sector-free? The border is... He's border is high lot. The other south border is highway 62. The west border is 35W. And the north border is 42nd street. Okay. Is that a fairly dizzy area of the city?

13:31I... I would say it's more a quieter... Of the precinct district. I should say. Okay. It's a little quieter area. Okay. All right. So... Are you confined to that district? Or are you allowed to kind of go up throughout the precinct? Not necessarily confined to the district. Step into the world of power, loyalty, and luck. I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse. With family, conoles, and spins mean everything. Now, you want to get mixed up in the family business. Introducing the Godfather. At chumbacaceno.com. Test your luck in the shadowy world of the Godfather slot. Someday, I will call upon you to do a service for me. Play the Godfather. Now at chumbacaceno.com. Welcome to the family. No for just necessary VGW group void for prohibited by law. 21 plus terms in condition supply. We're just assigned to take calls specifically that district. And patrol that area. No. But we're not necessary mandated to.

14:32So, I mean, the incident we're going to talk about here that happened on the 25th. That happened in the area of 38th in Chicago. Would that be outside of your normal patrol district? Yes. Is it common mode to respond as a backup or assist other officers in other parts of the precinct? That's correct. Okay. Go ahead. Did you have any additional responsibilities with the police department? Any specialty assignments or, I mean, were you yourself a field training officer? No specific specialized training. Okay. All right. What about a patrol partner? Did you typically have a partner? Whoever's assigned to, we're all assigned different slots. There's four, five to six people that may be assigned to it. And based on who's working that day, it's whoever's on your squad.

15:34Okay. You're assigned to work with? Did it tend to work out that you'd be with one or two officers generally all the time? Or constantly have different partners? I would say to middle, since I went to middle watch, I've gone through several different officers. Okay. So on the 25th, what were you here to talk about? Did you have a partner that day? Yes. Who was that? Officer Schaden. Have you worked with Officer Schaden previous to that day? Yes. Okay. Have you known him for a while? When I went to the third person, middle watch. That's when I first met him. When did you go to third person? Middle watch. I went from dog watch to middle watch. Okay. So roughly three years ago, when I transitioned over.

16:35So you've been on middle watch for about three years? Right. And so you've known Officer Schaden for about that amount of time. And did you regularly, were you a regular, semi-regular partnership with him at times? Yes. Okay. Do you know him outside of work? We don't really talk outside. I don't really talk much else. Don't socialize too much. Okay. Is he related to you in any way? No. No. Because life is not related to the safety of this virus. We're hearing these rumors. And I wanted to just figure out if that's true. It's not true. Okay. As a patrol officer in the third precinct, middle watch, do you wear a uniform? Yes. Do you drive a Mark's blood car? I do. Okay. Can you just describe for us kind of what your uniform looks like? Your kind of day-to-day uniform you wear. Maybe pants, sky blue, shirt, outer sky blue vest, and pretty much your standard police equipment.

17:38So as far as the standard police equipment, you're referring to your belt. Yep. Can you just walk us around what you're carrying your belt? My right side is my handgun. On my stomach right side here, it's my mace. On my left side. I have also handcuffed right here as well. Next to my gun. Another pair of handcuffs. My back left side. I'm long with my radio and flashlight. And I do have a disposable glove holder on the back. Are you issued a taser? Excuse me. And a taser with next to the radio. So on the opposite side of your handgun. Okay. All right. Your uniform.

18:38Do you have any patches or anything like that on it? Standard. I mean, I have police patch on both sides. Okay. Are you clearly identifiable as a police officer in that uniform? Yes. Have you ever been confused for something else other than a police officer in that uniform? No. Okay. Are you issued a bio one camera? Yes. Have you had an opportunity to review your bio one camera video from that day on the 25th? Yes. When did you watch that? Did you watch it prior to today? I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did.

19:38I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. When we do police cars, we enter a case number. Yes. Yes. And sometimes, a majority of times, especially driver, the thumbnails. Okay. The video was shown just in similar way. Okay. Like the first frame of the video. Yeah, the first frame of the video. Okay. So it helps to just click and just see what video this is. Okay. And then you just pause and then, yeah, is that video? So then I put in the case number. Okay. Specific to that video. Okay. So your responsibility, then, when you have recordings, is to categorize And sometimes in order to categorize and you need to watch them a little bit just to figure out what it is. Okay, all right, and how do you watch them? It is your phone. The city issue phone. Okay, so it connects somehow to your Wi-Fi is understood.

20:40Okay. Did you watch the whole video or just to get a sense of what the scene is, what video this is at? And is that all within the policy of police department to do that? I don't think there's any policy that says that you can't. Okay, perfect. You mentioned you watched the video today and that was here at the BCAA, correct? Yes. Who is present with you when you watched that? My lord. Okay, Mr. Pollard? Yes. All right. Anybody else present? All right. And how many videos did you watch? I believe there was four videos. Did you watch them in their entirety? Yes. Okay. How many times grew? Once, then the second, the longer video. Well, it's a second time. Okay, so the main video that kind of shows the scene, we're here, or part of the incident. I don't know. Do you watch it twice? Correct. Okay, understood. Well, let me see.

21:40Did you watch the entire large video or just parts of it? Just parts, just parts. One time through and then went back and went to parts of it. Correct. Okay. I understand. You're a squad car. Did you typically drive kind of the same squad car ever shift? That specific one, three, five, two, not our squad. Is that the car you were in on the 25th? Yes. Okay. Or designated squad, three, thirty, five, two. Okay. So, does your call sign necessarily have to reflect what the squad car number is? No. So, your call sign is three, thirty, but you're in squad, three, five, two. Correct. Okay. What did the squad car look like that you were in? You just grabbed that. It's one of the older squads. So, SUV, four, okay. Standard. The Minneapolis Police Mark Squad. What's the color signature on the black and white?

22:41Police shield. Okay. Where's the police shield? On the doors. Do you have a light bar exposed or hidden? Light bar. Light bar of the light bar. Is there a recording device? Recording system in the squad car? It was a MBR. MBR. Okay. And is that what is an MBR? It's basically the camera for the squad. Okay. It faces forward. Okay. Do you know if the MBR was activated during this incident? We're here to talk about that. I activated when we started out code four. Excuse me. Code three, right? Okay. And then once it was deemed dispatched, it was squad three, twenty. Call the code four. Yeah. We slowed down. I turned off the light. Turn off the squad. Video. Okay. When you say code three, meaning lights and sirens, does the camera automatically turn on? Or do you manually turn on?

23:42Automatically should turn off. Okay. And then when you downgrade, does it turn off automatically? I manually turn off. Okay. Understood. Have you watched that video at all? I know. So is that... You turn that off before you got to the scene? Is it... I'm understanding that. Okay. So it would just show you driving fast for a little bit. Okay. Understood. All right. That day, when this incident happened, prior to the call that you went to assist at 30th in Chicago, do you have any recollection approximately how many calls you had been on prior to that? Rough estimate. Oh. I would say three, toss before I did not recall often. Do you remember any of those calls? I remember the last one. What was that? Which was a domestic... With a custody... Parental custody domestic. Did you spend a couple hours doing that? Okay.

24:42Was there an arrest made or anything significant about that call? No. Okay. And then, as far as designating tasks when you're with a partner, who was driving at the time you guys went to 30th in Chicago? I was driving. Okay. And so what's your role as the driver? Is there a designated role that the driver has versus the passenger? Generally, it's... And for... He and Derek was a driver, so you're pretty much the chauffeur. Okay. And he's a report officer contact officer on the back, just pretty much back. Okay. And do you do that for the whole shift or do you switch roles? I'm taking mid shift. Mid shift? Okay. So you hadn't changed those roles yet? Nope. At this time. Okay. All right. When you guys were responding to the call, what information did you have?

25:44Well, we're at the station at the time. Okay. I heard 320 kind of a call for a backup. And it sounded like it was urgent. You just bite at the end of his voice. And so I went out and Derek went out as well and went to the squad car. And I guess we were using reading remarks as we were... What did you know about the call that they were on? I should probably... I guess backtracked. We were initially dispatched to this call first. Out of sector. Because we were the only one available. And then 320, because they were calling, canceled us. And took their call and they were sectored. So I had heard remarks that it was a Florida impact.

26:45All right. And then before we get into kind of the story about what happened, squad 320. Tell us about those officers. What do you know about them or how you work with them? Very new. I believe Officer King was just two days off, FTO. And Officer Wayne was about a week just off, FTO as well. Okay. So in your experiences that pretty common they have two kind of rookie cops ride together? I would say yes. Did you experience that when you were a rookie cop? No, because I was assigned to a day watch shift. So there are a bunch of old people there working. So you were by yourself probably? I was a young buckler with the older. Got you. All right. Well, thanks for answering all those questions out your time.

27:45I guess what we'd like to kind of have you do know is just kind of tell us in your own words. From start to finish, what happened? Hey, it's Cole Swindell. After I give everything I've got to land a perfect vocal. I usually take five before jumping into the next track. And I've learned exactly how to recharge in that time. Some folks grab coffee. I hit a quick good looks pin. Next thing you know, the break is just as fun as land down the track. A better break makes for a better take. Need a break? Let's chumble. No purchase necessary. VGW Group Void were prohibited by law. 21 plus TNC Supply. Sponsored by Chamba Casino. And then at the end we're likely just need to clarify some things if it's okay. But for now we just kind of like to hear from you what you remember about this call and what happened. So we're at the station. Multi-blunch. 320. I ends up asking for a backup.

28:45It sounded like it was something urgent. Like they were struggling with somebody saying, we've just beat it. Being that I believe we're the only squad left available by default. We went to a little system. I drove us about halfway there. And 320 had call. Code 4. Which they're okay. Dispatched cans with us. But they're knowing the area. And they're so new too. Knowing the area that it's the cut food specialty that specific store is. The known blood game hangout. Especially hostile to police. So knowing it is just those two there, especially very new. I decided to continue at least to get scene security for them to finish whatever call they were doing.

29:51So we continued on to go assist. Once we come in a westbound from 38th. I see right at the intersection. I see park officer chain. With two. Oh, with a blue male and female there. It looked like they were being detained. Being that he was off number. I pulled off to a left side. To back him up. He waved us off. Kind of pointing to the other side of the intersection. So meaning maybe he's wanting us to go to the other side of the intersection. So I ended up getting out of that driving towards squad 320. As we get out I could I could immediately kind of hear a guy yelling.

30:52A citizen yelling. Saying something similar to. Hey, just do what they say. I'm just so similar to that. You're not going to win. Basically trying to. Reason with a guy as I approach. This squad the doors open. Where driver door to open. I see officer I can. Trying to get the off later to be that void at that time. We don't know is that identity but. Employed a. Resisting refused to. Volunteerly. Sitting the squad car. As officer. The king was ordering him to sit there. I can see that.

31:53Floyd was. Was stiffening up his body. In a way it kind of prevent officer king. To kind of insert him in there. Floyd's kind of a bigger guy. So he was he was bigger dollars. And he's yelling saying he doesn't want to go into the squad car. It's saying he's claustrophobic. From my understanding it was sitting in the spot. You know vehicle. Prior so. Officer as officer. King was trying to get him. They're able to kind of get him his head in at some point. Officer Lane is on the other side of the squad. The open the rear passenger door. Essentially. Officer king is trying to push.

32:58As Lane is trying to pull him. Because. Floyd is resisting and not falling directions. That at some point he's able to get. His body inside but ends up fling himself out. Out of the door where Lane was. Trying to pull him in. Which is the red driver or excuse me we're a passenger door. So he flings himself out. Officer king goes around and tries to kind of get. Floyd again trying to get him inside. So I. I take the initiative to be now. To take the very. Passing the door. And become the polar. I never get a chance to get. Pull him in just because. Floyd.

33:58They can get Floyd. And close enough for me to grab him. As he's resisting. So at that point. I. I determined that I need to go around and just tell him hey. This is pointless. This is not going to work. He's going. He's not going to go in. He's not going to be cooperative. He's already shown it. If we put him in there. He's just going to end up. The possibility might end up hurting himself as being himself. And the windows or kicking out damaging the squad card. Let's just. It's not what we're doing and put him on the ground. And call for ambulance. It was obvious to me that he's like the high on something. Just for my experience. The way he was acting.

34:59And the lack of being able to reason with us or even calm down. So as I. As we put him down. He's still struggling kind of trying to get up. And just not relaxing at all. And they're trying to get control of his body. So I determined the sense is I could tell that. Three officers on the ground were getting tired. Everyone's breathing hard. So I decided let's grab a hobble and try to restrain him that way. So I go in the back of the squad 320. And try to. This whole time trying to communicate with 320 trying to figure out where their hobble is.

36:00Because I'm the only available hands that can do that. So I kind of finding a hobble. I think it was. I believe also lands. For the bag. And I never handed it to one of the officers. But then. At that time. Several minutes. Right. And I. Already know Hamlet's on the way. And I already communicated with them. Figure out if a ambulance is on the way. And I asked that that's possible and hate. Just to verify you. You guys have ambulance on the way. Yes. Code two. And the situation where. The crowd was starting to kind of gather up. And especially that area is hostile police. And the way.

37:01Floyd is acting. It went. We went on the radio and told this guy should be needed. The ambulance here. Code three. Emergency lights and sirens. Since the ambulance is. Already on the way. We decided just for a goal the. The. The hobo and just. Hold. For now since. If we were to hobble with him. Once the ambulance arrived. We would have to undo it. Again. To put him. Onto the structure. As a way for ambulance. I take position. Kind of as a. A human. Traffic home. Bladed off. A bit. It's just. An uncommon traffic morph on Chicago.

38:02Kind of see. See me. So they don't. So the vehicle doesn't hit my partner's employee. Because they're low to the ground. So I wanted to get myself off the traffic. Offset myself off the traffic a little bit. And also be able to. Be in view of the growing crowd. So I just kind of. So the entire rest of the time I'm just kind of. Focusing on traffic. And the crowd. That's what I felt my job was at the time is. Crowd control and make sure my guys don't get run over. As a crowd is starting to grow and become loud and hostile. For this. I decided that to forego traffic. And put myself in between the crowd and the officers and turned off.

39:03Looking at. Just spending. Majority of my attention. Looking at the crowd. Make sure they don't charge us or ball rush us. As the officers on the ground are. Defenseless. The eventually. EMS arise. Paramedics arrive and. They board the. They load and. Floyd. All. After. So I. I didn't see when they. They loaded him. But. I was kind of. Focus on the car on at that moment.

40:04So also shot and kind of. Time in. You know, hey, let's go. We're done. So. That's when we. Left that region. The squad 320 and we went across the street. To. The. Check on officer change. Since he was. Outnumbered. Um. It is. So I. That. That right. There's pretty much the sense of what. The. Pretty much done with any contact with. Tyler. Redic here from 2311 racing. Victory lane. Yeah. It's even better with. Chamba by my side. Race to chamba casino dot com. Let's. Chamba. No purchase necessary. VTW group. Boy, we're prohibited by law. CT and C's 21 plus sponsored by. Chamba casino. Okay. What. What happened though. After that. Like. Went over and saw officer change. What happened from there? Uh. Trying to figure out what exactly.

41:05Are we going to do with this car? What. This. Me an officer. Uh shot. Back up. I said we we have no idea what's going on. Uh as far as it's this guy. Tank or. Or what? That we're. We're acting a good faith. Uh. With. The squad 323. 8.30. Would. Because we're the last ones. Um. So as we're trying to figure out what's going to happen next, because this is 320's call. It's their call what they want to do with a vehicle. We're just backing up. So 320, I guess, I think King said at some point, I guess let me backtrack a little bit here. As I'm trying to figure out what chain, what we're going to do.

42:10We just kind of stood by and then the fire department shows up. At that time, I don't know what the status of Floyd is. Fire department shows up and they ask us what do we need. And I'm like, I'm kind of baffling that we just needed ample. And so I don't know what you guys are here for. I assume that was unrelated to us, maybe really medical and inside comfort or something, because the fire department went inside to go check. As they're checking, this bad asses us, tells us that the fire department is looking for the ample. And so I walked up to the fire engine and told the driver, or got the driver, believe it.

43:10This bad asses you guys need to go to 36 in the park. They're working doing CPR. That's when the fire guys come back. I kind of tell the same thing. They end up getting back on and then getting heading to 36 in the park to assess what the ambulance is going back to the hospital chain and he ends up clearing his, I tell him, hey, basically, it looks like this guy is being worked on. So this cripple tent should be a critical incident if he dies. I don't know his status, but they're doing CPR. So just make sure to do a report if anything comes supplement

44:12or whatever. If anything changes, I'll let you know it takes off. Lane, I think, I believe, went to ambulance with, went into ambulance with Floyd. So it left Osir King there with us. And then we're trying to, I guess, talk to him about what you want to do with the vehicle. Or actually, he's telling us that he's there proceeding to tell me like this vehicle is leaving park. We're just going to take the keys for safe keeping

45:12and leave it here. And I stop him. And I don't, and this is more, maybe a true bit of two slacks of experience. I don't think he realized the gravity of the situation. Potential situation. So I tell him, no, we're not, we're not going to leave the scene. You need to call the sergeant, notify them of what's happening. We need to hold the scene, especially the vehicle, because it could potentially be evidence that of this whole incident. So he ends up, I don't know. I think Osir shot him eyes on the one they called. I don't recall off, but we've been one of those two. Sergeant Plugger and he arrives on C.

46:14I believe Osir can fill them in a letter code. What happened from there? Sergeant Plugger said that he needed to go check on the status of Floyd. And we mean Osir Shabner to go with him up there. At this time, Lane gets the right back with the fire department and dropped off. So they're instructed to stay at the vehicle. At the scene, hold the scene for that. Has potential crimes until we know the status of Floyd.

47:16We mean Osir Shabner end up heading up to HCMC to meet with Sergeant Plugger at HCMC. Check on the status of Floyd. What did you learn? Through the entirety of our HCMC, we just stood out of the hall wait. I'll read you by their five, 10 minutes. I believe a doctor comes out and informs us that Floyd's pronounce a day. I left out of the out of the ambulance bay and we stood by the ambulance bay. I guess Sergeant Plugger was probably talking

48:17to the watch commanders or informing them. And what did you officer Shabner do? We stood out just waiting for our next instruction. Did you receive some instruction? Yes, to wait for our escort officers. And for what does that mean? When officers in the ambulance get into critical incident, there's kind of mechanism where the department has a escort officer, where both officers, everyone separated, has a escort officer come and wait with us and transport us to a city hall. Who is your escort? We do a Sergeant Mohamed, Sergeant Mohamed.

49:20Where did he take you? In the city hall. And where's particular specific in the city hall? I believe it's the room 100, 100. And then we remain there for some amount of time. Yes, OK. Is it OK if we just clarify some things? Sure. OK. Yeah. OK. I just saw cup foods at 30th and Chicago. You mentioned having some experience at cup foods. Can you elaborate on that? What kind of calls over your time in the third precinct if you had a cup of foods? A lot of shots fired. Fights. I think I might have picked up maybe a couple of people that I'm going to warns, you said? OK. The call that 320 was on that, you said, a forgery call?

50:25Was there any mention of violence or weapons in that call that you were calling? I don't recall, OK. Do you recall like the essence of what the complaint was? I believe it was somebody that passed, I think it remarked some tri-passive bill, OK. The person was prepared, obviously intoxicated, OK. Have you had experience with color-fit money being passed at businesses? Yes, OK. I mean, how would you typically handle this stuff? That was how I even knew, how would you handle it? Let's say the call is exactly what you said. Somebody passed a fake $20 bill in our store in a parent intox care. How would you handle that? How would you typically handle a call like that?

51:29If we have a suspect, I guess, they would be detained. Obviously, we get more backstories. While being detained, we'd probably get more backstories from the store and then verify it, it was actually a fake bill or not. Sure, that makes sense. OK. As a fairly common call, I would say it's a rare thing to have a suspect that I would forgery to actually still be there. They don't stick around, though, generally not. OK. But was the information that you recalled that there was a suspect on scene or was the call just that the person who passed the bill seemed to be intoxicated? I believe in a remarks at the same time. They had mentioned the vehicle. OK, let's park the cross street. So that would be unusual in your experience to have a suspect in a forgery or a counterfeit bill.

52:31Still be unseen. Great, OK. When you guys get there, you want to see you guys, I mean, you're not sure I'm sure I can get there. Bubble Wall is here from 2311 Racing. You know what's slower than a pace car waiting at the car watch? That's when I fire up Chamba Casino. It turns those slow minutes into fast fun. With new games every week, you'll never get bored. Next time you're stuck in the slow lane, speed up with Chamba. Play now at chambacasino.com. Let's Chamba. Sponsored by Chamba Casino, no purchase necessary, VGW GroupFord. We're prohibited by law, 21 plus terms and conditions apply. You first see officer Chang, who then points to officers, lane and king. You describe seeing Mr. Floyd resisting. Can you just elaborate on that and describe more specifically what you saw him do? He was in handcuffs, kind of stiffened up his body,

53:35where in order to somebody to kind of sit in the squad car, especially a big person like him, you need their cooperation as far as bending their knees. OK. And because it could be tight back there, especially for a big person, VGW. So if you don't have some level of cooperation for you from the suspect, it's going to be extremely tough, especially if you won't bend his knee. OK. And it's a bigger guy. I think that I saw a time to sit down to sit in the squad car and he's not following, he's refusing to sit. OK. I mean, you mentioned he was saying he's clustered for, like, what else was he saying? That he didn't want, I think he was saying he wanted to talk or something like that.

54:38Anybody that he was instructed to sit in the squad car? Do you know what the urgency was to get him in the squad car? No. Do you know if he was formally under arrest? No, we're acting good, so. So as far as you knew, they wanted to get him in the squad. Backing officers. OK. Have you had experience with people who are under the influence? Yes. OK. Because you described that you felt that he maybe wasn't under the influence. Is it in your experience, has it been common or is it common that people who are under the influence are sometimes hard to rationalize with? Yes. Did you see any or at the time there have any thoughts about maybe an alternative way to handle this, being a little more veteran officer? First, it was an article where we're just a backup officer,

55:42so we don't provide. I don't have the back information as far as what happened prior to us arriving. But you're seeing what you're seeing right there in front of you. And obviously what the rookie officers are doing is a working. Did you make any suggestions about maybe an alternative? I had to get him in the car. Later on. Later on. But what about prior to getting him in the car? No. Did you actually physically assist trying to put him in the car? No, I know. And we weren't able to get all the car ever touching him. OK. All right. But you went around to the passenger so we're off to the landline, so I have that correct. At some point, yes. At some point. But then he had already kind of, I think you said, fleeing himself out of the car. Yeah. What did he do to, how did he do that? So it's kind of like he screwed himself and then kind of with his foot, pushed himself out,

56:44again, some side of the squad. OK. Pushed himself out and then kind of, from my view, that's why. OK. And then came out of the car. And then you made the suggestion to put him on. So they tried again to do the same thing again. What do you mean? I tried to get him to sit in the squad car. Oh, OK. But from that side, that time, I'm like, all right, guys, it's pointless to do this. Let's put him on the ground. Was there ever any discussion or suggestion that maybe we just talk to him and see what problem is? I would assume they probably vote for you, though. I mean, did you make that suggestion or try to do that? I was not the contact officer, so I did. I did not attempt to do that. I understood. OK. So you went through the 40-hour CIT crisis intervention training from your experience. Have you used that on the street? Yes, those techniques that you learned in that crisis intervention. Was there anything about this call that suggested to you?

57:45Maybe this might be a good use of those skills as a crisis intervention officer? It doesn't hurt to try. Did you try? I did not try. I was not the contact officer. What, I mean, what does that matter? I don't have much of a, I guess, because I would, like, just kind of backtrack a little bit here. I don't know what happened prior to it. I guess the only attempt I could say is, you know, just kind of tell me to relax. OK. Did you do that? I did. OK. How did he respond to that? He didn't respond at all. If he was still kind of in a manic stage, I guess. It seems to me, you use the word pointless that what the officers were doing seemed to be pointless. At that point, it was that we have already spent several minutes trying to get a squat card from the driver's side.

58:46Do you know how many minutes you actually were spending? By the time you got there, I know you don't know what was happening prior, but when you got there, about how many minutes I was encountering. Rough estimate? Did it seem like several, or a couple, or what do you think? Maybe a couple minutes. Roughly. OK. What was the purpose of calling for the ambulance? I felt that he was likely going to, that he was possibly on drugs. OK. Just the way he was acting, the erratic behavior. And we wouldn't be, even if we wanted to transport him, it would be, and we wouldn't be able to transport him the way he was acting. OK. So what was the hope that the ambulance or paramedics could do for you? At least assess them and figure out what we're going to do from there. OK. Even though he's struggling with you this,

59:52yes, what could they do to help with the struggling person? They can restrain him better. Better? Yeah. Why don't you lay a rate on that? So instead of being handcuffs, usually when we deal with people that are kind of excited, delivering or high on something, and they're out of control, we'd just with holding them down, we'd put them on the ambulance grenade, and usually what they'd do is handcuff them, their own handcuffs and handcuff that person to the gun. Does that help calm people down? It restrain them until paramedics can kind of assess

1:00:54what they need to go from there. OK. You mentioned just a second ago, excited, delivering. I think you said correct. What is that as far as you understand it? The big, I guess, could be a mental health or more unlikely drug-related where they go on a high, like extreme high, and they're acting erratic. They're not making sense, kind of generally, from my experience, sweating profusely, you're unable to reason with them at all. They don't really have any self-awareness and the potential, very explosive, and violent. If they have drugs in their system, they

1:01:57kind of have that superhuman strength with their drugs on board. Could excited delirium also potentially be fatal to a person? Yes. Where did you learn, like, how do you know this about excited delirium? We'd learned it through, what, part of being a license is you go through the Minnesota Post Board, the correct one there. That's where it initially was taught about that, and then there's fairly training with MPD. This, in your understanding of excited delirium, does struggling or fighting with, let's say, officers have any role in exacerbating excited delirium. We're making that worse. I think that's kind of out of the scope of knowledge. You're OK. And you're asking questions like these in medical terms. Well, I think you have a question about it. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing.

1:02:59Victory Lane? Yeah, it's even better with Chumba by my side. Race to ChumbaCasino.com. Let's Chumba. No purchase necessary, VTW Group. Boy, we're prohibited by law. CTNCs, 21 Plus, sponsored by ChumbaCasino. It's training at action. That is a training question, I would say. Well, you didn't ask it that way. Being your training on excited delirium, have you heard or learned any information about the role a struggle has with excited delirium? I think I've read it before. OK. Was there a concern at the scene about excited delirium? I would say, for me, at the time, it was more like a drug related, potentially possibly

1:04:03like consuming drugs before officers. Did you hear officer Lane specifically say he was concerned about excited delirium? I did not. Did you think that Mr. Floyd was perhaps having a drug overdose? Is that what you're trying to say? Possibility. Possibility. In my mind, it was a possibility. Does that change in any way the way officers would in your experience and training officers would respond to somebody? I guess it really depends if they have knowledge of it or not. OK. What were some of the things that Mr. Floyd was saying when he was on the ground being restrained that you heard? He was saying that you couldn't bring you, but then he was obviously yelling and talking. What does that mean?

1:05:06Obviously, in school, we're trained like, hey, suspects claim that they can't breathe. If they're talking, they're breathing. Obviously, you have to be able to breathe in order to say so. OK. It's no different than, I guess, being to put you in somebody and they're exhausted. We're exhausted, and obviously, we're taking a lot of breaths. And it feels like an hybrid being able to breathe. From where you were standing, where were other officers positioned on Mr. Floyd? I believe Chavin was at the head of the Floyd.

1:06:08I believe Chane was in the middle and towards somewhere. Lane was at the foot. You just say, Chane? Excuse me. Excuse me, clarify. King. OK, OK. Zoxer Chane is the park off. Yes, sir. But I do. Do you know the spelling of sort of King's name versus Chane just so they can understand it? I believe you already have. So Chane is C-A-T-N-G, and King is K-U-E-N-G. Something like that. That's how I understand it, please. Yeah, it's kind of a newer guy, so I can't change. I couldn't tell you how to spell it correctly. But just so it's clear, officer Chavin, officer King, and then officer Lane at the foot. Yes, is that all right? OK. Who are you closest to in this kind of chain of group officers? A shot. What did you see officer Chavin doing? He's struggling with the guy because he's kind of moving a little bit, scoring around. OK.

1:07:11I think at some point I asked the guy, what you want, what drugs are you using? Because I know what I have with some way, generally, one they'd like to know through that information, if you didn't respond. So OK. How was officer Chavin getting control of Mr. Floyd? I can't see what he's doing with his arm, doing that because I'm kind of the offset him a little bit. My first initial was view of it. It's kind of his knees are moving. Depending on the suspect, it's moving to the back of the head, neck, shoulder blade, which knee. I believe it was a left knee. Left knee? OK. Do you know, have you seen that or used a maneuver similar

1:08:14to that? I know. Are you trained to handcuff people? Yes. Is that something you have to refresh on every year with your use of force? Definitely. OK. How many different ways are there to handcuff people? Lots of ways. Anything of like three up top your head that you're probably trained in every year? This is over, under. How about the position of the person you're trying to arrest for handcuff? Well, usually you can do as far as practice. You're going to be standing underneath and under stomach. Prone? I think I can call that. And so you've trained in how to handcuff somebody prone? Do you use your knee when you typically train to handcuff somebody in a prone position? I've seen trainers use a knee to kind of leverage yourself.

1:09:20Is that how you're trained, though, to do a prone handcuffing technique, to put your knee, to use your knee to help handcuff a person? All the way in the air, to leverage? Well, are you trained to have you been trained by the Minneapolis Police Department to handcuff somebody in a prone position? Yes. Do you utilize the knees to effectuate that handcuffing? I guess there's a specific technique where they teach where you have the person's arms between their knees. Right. OK. So was what Officer Shaven doing similar or different to what you would normally do if you're trying to prone handcuff somebody? I think it was already handcuffed, so. Right. OK. So that maneuver that you saw Officer Shaven

1:10:21uses, is that something you've been trained in? I've never used it. Have you ever seen Officer Shaven do that before and calls? I don't recall. Have you ever done that? I've never done that. OK. Did you see his knee on Officer Shaven's knee? On Mr. Floyd's neck. At some point, yes. At some point, OK. Was it constantly there to move around or something? I was from what I can, because I'm majority of my attention is focused on traffic. I'm not always looking down at what they're doing. I'm trusting them to do what they're doing. I am kind of trusting me to kind of wash your back. Because I'm spending the majority of my time looking at the traffic and the crowd. OK. Yeah, I understand that. So you're not constantly watching, but you are looking back to make sure you're looking back at what it sounds like? OK.

1:11:22The hobble. What was, so the purpose of the hobble was what? To a restrained person, a fighting person that isn't handcuffed. OK. And what part of the body are you trying to restrain if you've got a handcuffed? Generally, the foot to waist, OK. Was he somehow using his feet that they needed to be hobbled in your feet? I believe I saw a officer laying kind of struggled with being controlled by a Floyd at the leg. So that's why I wanted to prevent any of us getting hurt or laying in our game kit. Yeah. Did the hobble ever get a play? I don't believe so. Do you know? I think we'd kind of forego that because the ambulance started. Well, that's right. You could say I'm sorry. OK. At some point, did he, did Mr. Floyd kind of stop actively moving around and kicking things like that?

1:12:27When that occurred, I think I was already, most of my back was already kind of away. Could you hear him saying anything? No, differently about a collaborator or anything to that effect. I wasn't like focused on what he was saying at that time. What were you focused on? I'm trying to communicate with those guys and also paying attention to traffic and the crowd. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing, another checkered flag for the books, time to celebrate with Jamba. Jump in at chambacasino.com. Let's jump up. No purchase necessary, BTW Group. Boy, we're prohibited by law. CT and C, 21 plus sponsored by Chamba Casino. So the crowd, if we could just talk about that, a couple of times refer to that crowd as hostile. What is it they were saying to you? That made you think they were, or made you believe they were being hostile towards you? Good sign is usually just not cursing us.

1:13:28OK. Anything else? It's specific that they were saying to you. As far as what they were saying, conversation having conversation. What they were yelling at you and the other others. Yeah, get off him. Get off that. Look at him. Suggest him what? Check out him. Check out him. Did you do that? That was not my job. OK. So no, no, OK. Is the crowd yelling at you and basically all the officers to check on him, to get off him? Is that, was that them being hostile, or was that them trying to alert your attention that something was going on with Mr. Floyd? How did you take that? Well, several times they came on to the street.

1:14:33OK. So, and I had to tell them several times to be back on the street. And at some, at one point, when it goes to the cater, some came on the street. And then I tell them to back off and he ends up pushing me. I'm kind of pushing him back. I'm just pushing that sidewalk. He's in the pushing me, so to me, that's kind of escalating. The act will do. Yeah. OK. So then the decisions made to have EMS come and step it up to code three. Yeah, at some point, I asked the chronology. I don't recall exactly where it is at, but I do remember asking Lane, if that ambulance coming and what code told me it was two in the night, why did it hear code three? Because the environment that was occurring in the household

1:15:36drought and OK. Did the code three response have anything to do with Mr. Floyd's change in this position? I don't recall the events of being, I believe, when I was talking to Lane. I believe that Floyd was still alive and talking. Did you observe, though, a change in his demeanor from when you first got there until the paramedics got there? It's a majority of the time I wasn't looking at Floyd. I'd just primarily focused on the crowd. The crowd and the traffic. Was the crowd letting you know that there was a change in Mr. Floyd's? Yes.

1:16:36Dispositive and what were they telling you? They were saying that he wasn't moving. Did you have any concerns about that? Not the crowd, but Mr. Floyd. I was concerned with the crowd. I mean, I would hope that the other officers would do their job. Check on them. So you put your trust in the other three to take care of Mr. Floyd and you took care of the crowd? Correct. OK. So in the medics get there, what do they assess him? That part, I'm not looking at the medics at all. I know the ambulance behind me, because they come up behind me, but I'm not aware of what they're doing at that time what they're doing, because I'm not looking at them. With that crowd there, it sounds, I mean, we've all seen some videos from it. It seems like it was a little chaotic. Did you ever call for additional officers to assist you guys?

1:17:38I did not. But the medics get there, and then do you see it when they roll him on the side of Mr. Floyd? You see Mr. Floyd at that time? I spent my majority of the time looking at the crowd so I didn't know when they didn't see them roll him on the side. I don't recall seeing him. OK. How about when they get him up on the stretch of the day? They don't get any observations. I didn't see that, the call scene that part either. OK. Do you know if any weapons or anything were found on Mr. Floyd? Well, not that I'm aware of. How about after the fact? Did you learn about any weapons that were not learned after you left them? OK. The vehicle that he was in, did you search that car at all? I did not. Did officer came, or officer laying, took a peek at it, and he impressed me. I don't remember. I think they might just lock the doors.

1:18:38I'm not sure if they actually search the vehicle or not. OK. Did you have any injuries sustained? How about, did any of the other officers in your presence come pointing of any potential injuries? Not that we're aware of. Not that we're aware of, OK. Did you see the counterfeit bill at any point later on in the name? I think the alleged counterfeit bill, I guess. I think officer King had had, like, I'm not sure if that's the specific bill, but he had, like, a bill that he was doing. I'm assuming the bill looked phony to you. I didn't see it. Yeah, he was OK. I never looked at it. All right. It's a sigh from the distance. Understood. OK. So the first sergeant that shows up is sergeant Puger, is that correct? Is he your sergeant? Yes, OK. What information did you tell sergeant Puger? If any. I mean, I didn't brief him anything as far as the incident.

1:19:43Were you present when somebody briefed sergeant? I think I was there. I was paying attention. I actually went to the squad cards to just check on the status. I just see every Mike's updates as far as Floyd's status. Were you concerned that Mr. Floyd was? Oh, yeah, obviously. He's a danger. Yeah, I was there for something. OK, I was. Hey, it's Bubba Wallace from 2311 Racing. You know what it feels like forever? Sitting on a plane waiting for takeoff. Good thing I've got Jamba Casino, with daily boost in social casino games on tap. This is a kind of fun that makes time fly. Why not turbocharge your downtime? Play now at jambacasino.com. Let's jump up. Sponsored by Jamba Casino, no purchase necessary. VGW GroupFord, we're prohibited by law. 21 plus terms and conditions apply. Concern the status. OK.

1:20:46Well, when you say, obviously, I mean, why I was at obvious. I mean, obviously, you don't want, you don't want people dying or, you know, I don't wish to die for people. So do you suspect that something bad was happening there at the scene when the paramedics came? I realized that this might have been a big incident when the fire department showed up. And they're, say, they're here to help the, you know, the ambulance. OK. And generally, when they show off, the, the ambulance needs help with whatever medical procedure. OK. All right. So when the ambulance left, and the fire department showed up asking where the ambulance was, you put two and two together that this was more significant. Call them, maybe what you thought, is it accurate or not

1:21:49accurate? Yes. OK. After learning about, let me see here. So officer Lane's on the ambulance, as far as, you know. Later, I'd find out that he was. I figured out that he was an ambulance when they dropped him off. So before Sergeant Pluder gets there, it's just you, officer Sean, officer Kang, and officer Chang? Yes. All right. What's the discussion that happens there? All the monks he does. The discussion I mainly have, and recall, just having, it was with, kind of, I would change, just letting him know that, you know, what's going on? Just make sure you do a report. OK. Just because he didn't do too much. Yeah. Is your body came around this whole time? Or do you deactivate it, or something? I think at that time, we were just standing around.

1:22:50So it was deactivated. You deactivated it? The same thing I've already been called for, and we've been standing by for, you know, several minutes. All right. Did officer Kang share with you, kind of, overview of what happened to you guys got there, even officer Sean and got there? I didn't talk to him as far as what happened. My only interaction with him was with who's talking as if they were going to just clear this thing, like it's kind of like another call. OK. And saying that they were just going to leave the car there, and kind of, at that point, I don't think, due to experience, I don't think he realized the gravity of the situation. Right. So I kind of broke it down from, like, you know, where we're not leaving the scene, and we're not leaving this car here. There's two men on a female, I think, that was where they seemed like, as they were leaving it. It seemed like they wanted to come back for the car.

1:23:51So you're giving some instruction to officer Kang about what the proper procedure? What the proper procedure? Because I didn't want the integrity of the avalanche to possibly disappear and leave the department looking like it, that we're trying to cover it up. And as of that, as one of the veteran officers on the scene, you saw that as your kind of responsibility to take control of that? Yes. Well, or provide some instruction. Give him what he should do. OK. So I told him that we were not going to do that. You shouldn't do that. You need to call a supervisor. And you have to make the decision. Any reason why that instruction and advice that you gave to officer Kang after the fact, any reason why you didn't offer that kind of seeing leadership advice earlier when they were struggling with Mr. Paul. I didn't have that enough information, in my opinion.

1:24:55Would you learn that Mr. Floyd had died? What would you think? Yeah. I don't want anyone to die. It was kind of a somber moment, especially for me. And my heart kind of sank. Did you know officer Shaven talk about it? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I don't remember talking to him as far as we generally are relationship wise. We don't really talk much. We were quite natural questions. Were you worried about this? I mean, personally, yeah, I was worried about that. Is that why you guys didn't talk about it? Because you knew that this is probably going to be a big deal. Did you notify anybody else when you learned? I did. I told off the chain that, hey, I'll let you know, updates.

1:26:02And so I sent him a message saying, hey, give me a call. It's a network phone. So I could tell them that, hey, this is now kind of critical. And so you need to tell your sergeant, call your sergeant, let him know what happened. And it's critical. And so that was kind of the extent of it. So you gave him a heads up, but this is going to be something. Generally, you know, me andapolis, the city, we really talked too much with the parks on. Just wanted to make sure that it wasn't surprising. That seems fair. Have you since since then had an opportunity to view any of the videos, especially the main video that the bystander took? I'd say forward through some view some, but not today. It's entire. Yeah. I mean, what are your thoughts on that video?

1:27:04Because like you said, you were facing the crowd. So you weren't really paying much attention. But that video is obviously paying a lot of attention on what Officer Shaven and Mr. Floyd's interaction isn't. Curious what your thoughts on that? Can I ask a question why you're asking what the thoughts are? We don't normally put thoughts down in police reports. You're giving them so much. Well, he's a human being. I'm just curious what is. We're going to be hearing a volunteer statement about what happened, not necessarily what it's thought. OK, you don't want to answer that question? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, OK, I'll take his advice. Sounds good. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing. Victory Lane? Yeah, it's even better with Chumba by my side. Race to ChumbaCasino.com. Let's Chumba. No purchase necessary. VTW Group, void work prohibited by law. CTNCs, 21 plus sponsored by Chumba Casino. Do you think there was anything you could have done differently to intervene? I mean, I believe that there's always something different than you can be always doing every single call.

1:28:05Yeah, I mean, it's easy to second guess, right? It's easy to look at hindsight. Have you thought about things like that? Want me to prevent them differently? Yeah. Like what? Well, I guess if we're being human, I think differently, I guess. I guess it would be more observant towards the void. We're not kind of standing up and paying attention

1:29:07to traffic and maybe to focus on what the guard in the scene. Thank you. What effect has this holy back of them threw ahead on you personally? I'd say this is a horrible feeling. Obviously, you don't ever want it. You hope to go out through your career ever and never having to deal with the situation like this. When someone dies. It's affect my family and kind of taking it here.

1:30:08It'd be fair to say it's taking a mental toll. Have you been in a critical incident prior to this? No. Do you mind if I ask you some hard questions? Sure. Earlier in the interview, you mentioned that your training was extended a month. Was that in the academy? Or was that a teal process? No. It feels right. Well, you were in the academy. Did you have any deficiencies in any of your training? 10 years ago. I don't really recall too much. I guess there's probably some of it as a new policy. It would be a lot of deficiency, I guess. To be a critical of myself as far as training.

1:31:09Sorry. Was there anything that held you back in the academy? I guess natural for recruits. And probably true for me as well as decision-making. So there was special attention to your decision making while you were in the academy? You're deciding what you're going to do on the call. Any teal process? That was extended a month, correct? What were the reasons for your extension? I'll try to remember here. I think it was like I got into it.

1:32:10Maybe it might have been like Oscar safes. I don't recall at the top of my head exactly. I think it might have been a few things. A few things. Do you recall any of those? I'm trying to think. I think it's kind of more officer safety decision-making. I think it was. So officer safety and decision-making. Great. All right. Let's move more towards kind of the incident itself. You mentioned a couple of times during the interview. It was pointless. It's not going to work. It's referring to you who gave Mr. Floyd into the back of the small car. Is that accurate? Right. Based on that, you made the decision to direct the officers to put Mr. Floyd on the ground. I suggested we put him on the ground. Is there any reason why you decided to direct them

1:33:12to put Mr. Floyd on the ground specifically as opposed to other options? It's the best way to control somebody is when they're on the ground pronged out. That's the best maximum way to control someone. Okay. And how many officers were attempted to control Mr. Floyd at the time? Three. Okay. Once he handcuffs? Yes. Okay. Is it typical for suspect and handcuffs to not be controlled with three officers present? Uh, I mean, like, uh, is that general? Does that happen often? Uh, you're afraid of him? His experience? Yes. And your experience? Uh, I mean, I had run into a many experience, I guess, uh, with it. Where three officers have to, who strain him? Uh, it's not typical. It doesn't happen daily, I guess.

1:34:13It's a rare case, I guess. Okay. Um, you mentioned during the interview that you were concerned about the three officers who were holding Mr. Floyd down and the traffic, correct? Traffic crowd control. Uh, that, uh, I don't really, uh, since I'm not having to restrain him, I don't really have a job site to kind of have to, uh, therefore, it kind of by default, you know, from, from my experience our training is, then you need to take a guard position for your fellow officers. Okay. At any point, did you mention to the officers, uh, mission additional, or move from the road and go on to the sidewalk? Uh, no. Okay. Is there a reason for that? Uh, it just never occurred to you. Um, did, uh, Mr. Floyd, based on your observation struggle the entire time he was on the ground?

1:35:16Uh, yes, from my, uh, from the time I vision, I've seen. Uh, I'm sorry. I wouldn't say the, uh, from the time I observing them, uh, the majority of the time he was struggling. Okay. Did you ever see him cease to struggle? Uh, how to have fun, anytime, anywhere, step one, go to ChambaCasino.com. ChambaCasino.com. Got it. Step two, collect your welcome bonus. Come to Papa, welcome bonus. Step three, play hundreds of Casino's dial games for free. That's a lot of games, all for free. Step four, unleash your excitement. Woo-hoo! ChambaCasino has been delivering thrills for over a decade, so claim your free welcome bonus now and live the Chamba life. Visit ChambaCasino.com. No, for just necessary VGW group void for prohibited by law, 21 plus terms and conditions apply. I believe, uh, I did peak, uh, maybe a couple of times, he just checked, just kind of looked back to make sure, you know, they're still there. Okay.

1:36:16And what was happening? With Mr. Wood, just lying there, I don't know if I was talking, and it was happening on the peak. Um, it was just laying there. Okay. Um, you said earlier that you could hear Mr. Floyd making statements. Uh, oh, such as, uh, I can't hear you. Yep. Did you ever cease hearing Mr. Floyd? Yes. Okay. Check. I'm at that point. That was not, uh, my job at that moment, uh, to do that, I would trust the other officers that are in contact. Okay. Uh, what was your job? You mentioned the crowd in the traffic. Correct. Okay. Um, as far as people talking to you, well, what were they saying, many mentioned before, what were they saying? Um, a lot of, uh, either obviously upset, um, say, check on him,

1:37:17uh, he's not reading, or not moving, something that knows the terms. Okay. And at that point, did you check on Mr. Floyd? Uh, no. Because my job has seen security. I, uh, that I would trust those guys. I can't multitask them. I, you know, uh, got on and gave, uh, a one-body, uh, two, two hands, and two legs. I, I can't be a two-place ambulance. Okay. Okay. Okay. Real quickly. At room 100, if it's okay. Let's talk about that. When you went down to room 100, what was, what was going on at room 100 when we got there? Um, I think they're, they're trying to figure out, uh, they're calling commands down, and trying to get, uh, uh, union reps and lawyers. Okay. Did, did anybody from Minneapolis Police Department, administration, or any other level, take a statement from you about what happened?

1:38:17Uh, they met, you see an administration? Yeah. Uh, no. About the union or anybody else? Uh, union work. Okay. So you spoke to an attorney, about what happened? Nobody else? No. Until today? When you, like it's today the first time you've really given a statement to someone other than your attorney? Yeah. This, uh, really, uh, the only time we've really given a whole detail, yeah, whatever. Okay. Were you, um, on the date of this incident, down at room 100, offered, uh, the opportunity to consent to a board, you can talk about what happened that day. You don't have to talk about who asked them to speak or anything like that. What about a blood sample? That's fair. Were you, were you offered a blood sample? By the BCA? No. You were not offered one? Uh, no. Okay. I was told by, uh, that, uh, that I was a witness officer today. Okay. So because you,

1:39:18the belief was that you didn't actively participate in restraining him that you were not offered a blood sample. That's right. Okay. I wasn't there. I didn't know that. All right. Um, officer Shavan. Does he have more ears on him? Yes. Do you have more ears on him? Yes. It's okay if you don't. I'm just curious. I'm not sure. Okay. But he's, he's senior to you. All right. Okay. What's kind of, uh, I mean, does he have a supervisory role with police department? No. Is there a role off your level just like you? All right. Okay. Is there any, like, informal, kind of hierarchy when you have somebody with more experience, or more ears on, or just less ears on? Do you somehow treat them differently? Sure. How so? Uh, I mean, just, this is, you know, as far as, uh, who's going to drag it, who's going to, uh, sit in the passenger?

1:40:19Yeah. Okay. So if Shabbin said I want to drive today, but you really wanted to drive today, you would defer to him, because he has more seniority. All right. Is that being an example? I guess. Um, I don't really have any other questions. Is it okay if I ask some questions? No. Okay. I specifically talked to Jeff Paulson and said, we were finally at the FBI being here, but did you learn to be at the ask questions? I thought that was communicated to you. Okay. No, it wasn't in such, uh, definitive terms. I do have some definition questions from training stuff that, okay? What did that suggest you speak to Mr. Paulson? Okay. Were those questions mean? Okay. That works. Any more questions? Mr. Towell, is there anything else you can think of that might be important for us to know that we haven't discussed today? Or asked you about it? Um, I know we've asked you a lot of questions. All right.

1:41:19Thank you for answering that. That's one question. Uh, you were asked whether you were offered a blood sample. You indicated that you were not offered a blood sample, because you were told you were a witness officer. Is that correct? That's correct. And who told you that? Um, I believe it was a, uh, uh, a BCAA. Oh, which BCAA officer? I did not get the male or female. Um, it was a male. Um, about a mate you remember? Like I. Okay. Let's describe the few of us. Okay. I didn't get his name. It's a bottom line as though you were told you didn't mean that you, we weren't even going to ask you for a blood drop, because you... Yeah. As far as my understanding does, I think somebody went to get clarity as well. And... And... They said, since I was a witness officer, I do the only thing they did was take my picture of my camera.

1:42:19Okay. And that... That was done. Okay. Okay. Any else, uh, Ms. Polly? Okay. Yes, uh, you were asked about whether you saw Mr. Floyd motionless at any time. And the body can't predict it doesn't show you turning to see it at any point when officer's children appears to be motionless. It shows you turning to see the ambulance leaving. Is that significant to you? Yes.

1:43:19And if you saw the office between that Mr. Floyd was motionless, would that have changed anything that you did? Um, if he was motionless? Yes. Would it have changed, uh... Yeah, I was really focused on my job. So, uh... Now you've listened. Now go to your thing. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing. Victory Lane? Yeah. It's even better with Chamba by my side. Race to ChambaCasino.com. Let's Chamba. No purchase necessary. VTW Group, voidware prohibited by law. CTNC's, 21 plus, sponsored by ChambaCasino.