Kill Tony | The Complete Podcast History

0:00You know, I'm gonna give you a history lesson. We got some dumb ass motherfuckers floating around in this country. Stop laughing! And when I do, stop. Also, y'all did some nasty ass jokes on my ass too. Funny jokes and unfunny jokes come out of the same birth. You fucking guys are rumbling for both. Why are you laughing? Why are you laughing a history of comedy podcast? And today, I am pleased to introduce to you the history of Kill Tony. We have done several podcast histories. The history of Come Town, Legion of Skanks, which are near and dear to my heart, and the Joe Rogan experience, obviously. And so if we're talking the history of comedy podcasts, I feel like Kill Tony kind of has to be in there now. With the new deal with Netflix, it is in such a strange place

1:00because people are discussing it so much in comedy. And with the media tour that Mark Amerin has centered around Austin comedy and Anthony Jezzelneck taking shots, it's the popular thing now to talk about the Austin comedy scene to try and get a reaction when you're out promoting stuff. So I figured it was a good time to talk about the history of Kill Tony. Because I think Kill Tony as an entity gets too much crap now. Like now it's become a thing where it's popular to make fun of it. When if you boil it down, it's a very interesting thing. Tony's built something very cool. Although we'll also talk about the flaws because I think Tony can be a hateable guy. And I understand why people want to shit on him. Like there's elements of all the arguments, whether it's Marin or Jezzelneck or the comments or podcasts, cringe channels. I get the criticisms. But I think the problem with society in general now and a lot of these reaction channels,

2:00which I do on the one mic project as well. But what I try not to do is make it so that you know exactly what the take is going to be all the time. And there's certain people and like, you know, Christchurch and Segura are like this and Tony Hinchcliffe is kind of like this now. Where Rogan's kind of in that category, at least on some channels, where when you see a video with their name in it, you're like, well, I know what this is going to be. You know, it's just a completely one-sided, I hate this guy. And the interesting thing about this argument is, this episode will go, oh, you're a Tony Hinchcliffe ball washer. I guess you're a big Tony Hinchcliffe fan. Not really. I'm not even that big a Kill Tony fan. So that's the interesting thing. It's like, you'll get, oh, you're a ball. And then if you criticize him, you'll get the comments of, well, you do something like that. Instead of sitting in your basement and talking about it. So like, people either love or hate something.

3:00And I think there's much more to explore to it. I think you can talk a lot more about it. The positive impact that it has, the negative impact. And I think Kill Tony is a great example of all of those elements and what it has done for comedy. It's a good and definitely some bad. So I think it's worth exploring today. So we will get into that in a moment. And I also want to say this is, I think in the title, we'll call it like the full history of Kill Tony or the complete history or something like that. It's not. I'm going to miss stuff, you know. We did it last week with always sunny. And then I thought of 50 things I didn't bring up. I mean, look, there's like, they did two serious episodes. One I didn't understand. And the other I cried at. So, and I didn't even mention it. So there's a bunch. There's a bunch we didn't get to. What's that? Like, day man. That song swept the nation. Right. We didn't talk like the royalty-free music that they use

4:01that actually ends up working perfectly. There's a bunch of stuff we missed. So there will be a bunch of stuff like that in this episode as well. Kill Tony's been on for 13 years. We're bound to miss stuff. We'll do part two if you guys think it's worthy. But your job is let me know in the comments what I missed. So feel free to do that. Comment. Like, subscribe. We appreciate you guys doing that. The more you do that and interact with the show, the more people find the show. So, you know, tell a friend as well. And blindmike.net is the easiest place to find all our links. The YouTube is cooking. So go subscribe there. But the video is also on Spotify now. So consider subscribing on Spotify or wherever you get. Podcasts. Also check out the blind mic project. And become a member, if you'd like. If you want these episodes early, as well as bonus content that we do, then become a member on Patreon or YouTube. And we appreciate you guys doing that and supporting the show. Blindmike.net is the easiest place to find all of those links. So we're now at the point where podcasts have been on for a generation.

5:05Like there are literally kids that grew up with these shows that are now adults, which is kind of crazy to think about. But Kill Tony has been on. I think this summer will be 13 years. The summer of 2013, I think. It's a pretty wild that it's been around that long. And it's been a slow burn. It was not by any means an overnight success. The success did happen pretty rapidly, but it was, you know, a decade into the run, which is kind of incredible. So we'll start at the beginning here where Tony hinted at the beginning. Here, where Tony Hinchcliffe was looking to start a podcast. Brian Redben was the king of starting podcast and getting thrown off of them. And this is the beginning of their collaboration at the comedy store. Guys, give up a Tony. I thought you were going to explain. So you said you. All right. Hi everybody. I'm sorry. I'm late. We're going to talk about it. Me and you were talking about it. We were talking about.

6:05It's fitting that it starts with kind of a passive aggressive shot at Redben. It's been that way ever since. It sure has. Yeah, that's right. That's hilarious. But Tony has been on many episodes of Death Squad. If you've listened to the Ice House Chronicles, he's been on the Joe Rogan podcast. And he's been asking for a podcast for a long time. And people have been asking Brian to give me a podcast for a long time. Let's not forget. Yeah, that's totally my mailbox is flooded. So with all bunch of offers from other things. But no, yeah, I mean, and this is kind of cool because we've actually shot different ideas, which we might even do some time together. A lot of ideas. Yeah. And what. So it was the working title of the time was Hinch Cliff's notes. And it was. Yeah. It doesn't flow. He's going for cliff notes, but it doesn't. The pronunciation isn't right. But the idea was a much more serious, like giving comedians time and then helping them work on their act.

7:10They didn't really figure out the roast style yet. They didn't know what the show would be. I mean, like, you know, it was in its complete infancy. They didn't know what the idea would be. But as I've mentioned, Red Band was on, I mean, he started the Joe Rogan experience. We've mentioned it on all these episodes where Red Band has come up. He started the Joe Rogan experience, your mom's house. Are you sure fear skeptic tank and kill Tony? I'm sure I'm missing some too, maybe. But just the fact that he was there for the infancy of all those. And he was just helping out his friends and they all exploded and got massive. So when Tony said he wanted to do a podcast, Red Band was like, all right. But we have to be 50, 50 partners, which I didn't know until I went back and listened to Red Band talk about it in an interview. Preparing for this episode. I had not really heard him say that before, which makes a lot of sense because there's times where Tony is so frustrated with Red Band. And I'm like, why is he still there? I don't get it because it's monster.

8:11But, uh, but yeah, they're 50, 50 partners. He's, uh, no, I meant why is Tony, like, why doesn't Tony get rid of Red Band is what I'm thinking. Oh, much. I didn't realize that Red Band Weasel is way into an even partnership, which is very smart of him. Yeah, he had, uh, you know, not work out in his favor with Rogan. He's like, never again. Yeah, although I think he did get some kind of ownership. I think Rogan felt bad. I'm through some kind of ownership of that, which was probably a nice little payday. But oh, yeah, I bet. Um, but yeah, Red Band was smart to do that. The Red Band thing is interesting because, um, Tony, Tony loves beating up on Red Band. I don't know if that's the relationship or he really hates him. But I think we'll get into that a little more in a bit. So I don't want to talk too much about it. Let's stay on the first episode here. I think this is them setting up a little more of the premise. Yep. Oh, um, I'm sure they're going to keep loving it because I highly doubt this train wreck. So we're going to go mainstream.

9:11Perfect. As long as we can keep no listeners, it'll be high on their list. I'm sure. I love it. There's already too many people on this list of open micers for it to be fully used. Sure. I was actually surprised. I went out there at like a six, uh, 30 or so. Right. And I basically explained what was going on and only nine people signed up. And then after I walked away with the list, uh, people started tracking me down. They were all, they all, you can tell everybody had second thoughts or like, wait a second. What if I don't get up in this room? And how can this help me? I've never been on a podcast. I guess I could say that I did a podcast to the comedy story of an extra minute to kill. Right. Wow. I mean, that's probably high on the resume. If they're looking to, if they're getting bumped down on the open mic downstairs, give them a minute of pure humiliation upstairs. I love it. Still get some attention, which is really what they want.

10:11Positive, negative reinforcement doesn't matter. That's why most people are in Hollywood because they don't care that no one likes them. Ever. Right. They could stick it out. See, so basically the plan would be that they do a minute. Perfect. And, uh, we, uh, either, do we then sit them down here? Is there a reason? Or is that that that that was, uh, one of the producers of the show, Josh Martin. It was his idea to leave an empty seat and an empty microphone. And, uh, just in case somebody did so good that we wanted to call them over to the couch. I mean, pretty, pretty smart. Josh Martin, I guess. Yeah. I don't, they have not implemented the sitting down. Like, like you, uh, nailed it on Carson. But, uh, that is, that is what the show became, which is really interesting. And that is, uh, Rick Ingram, if you're wondering who the first guest ever was. It was Rick Ingram. It was very sage words there. And I think it is, it's both why the show is successful and why some people criticize it.

11:12Uh, because it, it plays to that part of society where some people just want attention. Um, like, you know, very often on Keltoni, you'll see someone, uh, who's just, just gets up and does comedy for the first time ever and completely bombs and Tony's like, why did you do this? And they're like, I don't know. I thought it'd be fun and like, just no, no thought put into it. You just want attention. That's kind of a natural instinct in a segment of the population. Um, and I don't miss, I don't inherently think that's a bad thing for comedy. Um, because there's a lot of discussion. I think the central discussion around Keltoni is, is it ultimately bad for comedy? I really don't think so as someone that, that watches this stuff a lot and then tries to study it as best I can. I think we're just getting more stuff to pick through, which means there's a lot more horseshit to pick through. You know what I mean? There's also got someone recently placed on SNL.

12:13So it's not like it's not doing anything. Right. Like, there's, there's some people like, I think Kim Kongden is a legitimately funny, Alan McCoffsky is a good comedian. Ari Maddie, I think is a legitimately funny comedian. Like every once in a while, someone comes through here that is legitimately talented. Um, I think the problem people have is that it becomes like, you know, David Lucas is a guy that people like to shit on. And now he's doing like theaters around the country, you know, we did see him open for, um, for Bob. We shared it. What a night. Yeah. So they've, they've always had the one minute thing though. That's always been there, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Since, I mean, that was the, the idea of the show was basically doing an open mic, but having, you know, experienced comedians give advice. Yeah. I think I'm, I'm surprised they didn't do less comics and more time. So they could let them almost get in a groove and then critique them. I think they like luckily fell into that one.

13:15I think one minute is right. That's the other thing is, um, famously Bill Burr should on the show where he's like, you just go, how can you, how can anyone be funny in one minute? How can you judge if someone's funny in a minute? Uh, I think a minute is the right time. I don't think, uh, put it this way. It's either a minute or I don't think they should do the podcast, you know? Yeah. If you give someone three minutes, I don't like, it's going to be a little exhausting. Yeah. It's smart of them to realize that that long ago too. Yeah. Um, but next, uh, red ban. Okay. Yeah. So we'll get a little more into red ban, like I was saying before, but this is their dynamic care. The first eight strains I made were named after a friend of mine that passed away. So they all carry his name and then the flavor. So it's like Brian, very lemon lime or Brian, very citrus or, you know, so. You had a, you had a, you had a close friend, uh, you had a, you had a close friend named Brian that died. Yeah. That's so jealous of you. Sorry, Brian. Do you have a friend named Tony that looks like he died years ago?

14:22You son of a bitch. You son of a bitch. It's the classic Tony voice. So they're, I think there's an impression of himself. But there are moments like that where it's like good natured. Like they're just busting each other's balls. But then there are moments. And this is what makes I think some people hate Tony where red ban will do something. Red ban a little drop that maybe isn't funny or whatever. And Tony will lash out in such a way that derails any fun. It's not, it's not like busting his balls. Like, oh, red ban sucks this job. Ha, ha, ha. It is such venom that is spewed at red ban at times. I'm like, why is he still there, Tony? Just ask him to leave. Hey, keep paying him and get another producer if you're that angry about it. And it's such a difference in tone. Like there you hear Tony laughing and having a good time. But it would, what it reminded me of is like I was trying to think of a comparison. And like if rich boss on opian anthony was in student,

15:23it like gave out his password or something dumb. And then everyone's laughing and having a good time. And someone goes, no, but seriously, how can you be that fucking stupid? Like what, what if your life gets ruined because of that boss? You know what I mean? Like you're bringing it. Oh, okay. Now it's serious and everyone's uncomfortable. So basically if you're, if you're current opian, imagine. Exactly. Yeah. So like when you're, that's exactly what I was thinking of would be doing. Yeah. So like when it brings, when he brings it to that level, it's like why? Why is it, why does it have to be this way? But that is also part of why I think Tony got the show to the level that it is. It doesn't always play out well on air. But I do think he cares very much about the show, where how many guys do we hear on podcasts? It's one of my biggest gripes about podcasters that I love that I like a lot, where it's, oh, podcasting podcasting so dumb. I hate that I have to do this. Oh, it's ruined my life podcasting. Oh, it's, it's, it's so hack that we do this.

16:23And it's like, yeah, but you're doing it. I'm listening to you complain about it on the podcast. I have a great time doing it. Whereas, whereas Tony takes it seriously. Right. And like the reason he gets frustrated in those moments is because he's taking it seriously. And he wants everything to go smoothly. So I do think it's why it has worked so well because he actually cares about it in a way that a lot of other podcasters do not care about their show. Next, we have Iron Patriot. Yes, this is the first regular ever. And there's a, there's a YouTube channel called curious ape that I recommend you go to. He does a shorter form videos than this. But he has an abundance of them. And he has a lot on like the history of kill Tony. And particularly the Iron Patriot has a couple of videos. This is an interesting character. So we'll hear his first appearance. And I'll tell you a little more about him. Anyway, but it's an exciting show. We have a new addition to the set. Oh, yeah.

17:23I'm very, very excited about it. Put your hands together for the new head of security of my podcast. The Iron Patriot everybody. There he is. He's here and he's in the flesh. He's the one and the only. Iron Patriot. The Iron Patriot. For every life he's saved, there's a movie way to die. I love it. Now Iron Patriot. So much like the Iron Man, but it's the Iron Patriot. So. You better write in blue. I'm looking forward to form a July. Is that one of your catch phrases? I love it. I love it. I love it. Well, welcome to the show. We're so glad to have you be part of it.

18:23We're hoping that. Well, we'll see how it goes on this test run. But we're definitely going to perhaps be in talks about having you be the regular head of security for my podcast. There's nothing like head of security that can't see. This is episode two, by the way. So I kind of right out of the gate, Tony tried to start experimenting. I tried to start into experiment with things and the Iron Patriot was his first experiment. And this is a guy who would show up at the comedy store and he was a little wacky. And so Tony said, hey, that could be a fun loose cannon to have on the show. And then, you know, as his role got bigger and he became more of a staple on the show. It started to go to his head and he would get a little crazier. And then Tony and Red Band would get these messages. Like I said, if you're interested in this specifically, go check out Curious A. He does a very good deep dive into it. But this guy just started to lose his mind and became evident that he's.

19:25I assume it gets a frenic. I don't know if that's the official dog. But like, you guys hold off, put it that way. And it ultimately resulted in this. So he was banned from the show. And he started leaving these like veiled threats to Tony and Red Band. And then this happened a while after. Awesome. Two of our favorite guests. They've both been on the show. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What are you doing? Whoa. What the fuck is that? You got to get him out of here. What's going on? No, you got to leave, dude. No, you can't do that. You have to, you have to get him out of here. That's the former Iron Patriot Jeff Crap tree. And he just stormed the stage. You have to get him all the way out of here. That was so crazy. I am Patriot. I'm so disappointed in you. Wow. That was on. I thought that was it. I thought that was truly it. I saw him coming up. I picture this numerous times. He was the entire. He was part of the. He was the band for the first like a.

20:27What 50 some 60 70 some episodes of the show. He was the Iron Patriot war suit. Slowly over time. We found out that he was insane. He's been messaging us for a little over a year to continuously to no response. And he just jumped up on the stage and you saw that live. That was a live part of the show. If you're wondering why we call ourselves the number one live comedy podcast in the world. That's why not number one pre taped comedy podcast. So you see that play. And what's interesting about that and another thing I have to give Tony credit for. To me, that's like, okay, none of these freaks on the show anymore. We're done. This guy. This guy's obviously obsessed with us. Like there's like, you know, it feels like this could end very poorly. But the Tony's credit. There's still fucking wild cards on the show all the time. We just played what made me think to do this episode is.

21:27We just played the clips of that episode with a stalker that showed up for Kim Kong. You know what I mean? Right. There's nuts was showing up to put their name in that bucket every week. Next we have Jeremiah. Before we get there. So we'll be talking about the band and how that helped the show evolve as well. But the other thing that was interesting to me about those clips, particularly the first couple. You'll hear there. It's like, what? It sounds like nine people in the audience. I mean, it's it's small. There's nobody there. Like they're just and Tony just grind it out and said, this will get bigger. I remember even years into the podcast. I think the first Skankfest I went to was 2017 when it was at the Creek and the cave. And they were like, all right, everyone get give it up for kill. I had heard of kill Tony like on Rogan's by so I knew the name. I didn't really know what it was. And then, you know, everyone packs into this room.

22:27And they're cheering for these people that I never heard of. Like there's people coming on stage that everyone in the room seemed to know, but I didn't know. And it was not much bigger than Legion of Skanks. If it was bigger at all, you know, Skanks might have been bigger at that time. So like they just kept grinding out when it started as nothing. So it is a message to people. And I don't know if that's the podcast landscape now necessarily. But there's a lot of people out there that have ideas and just give up after six weeks or whatever. Where like if they really put their mind to it, like Tony could have looked at it and been like, ah, no one's showing up to the belly room or the comedy store. I could never mind. And I think that would be the mentality of a lot of podcasters. But they grinded out. They kept evolving and changing the show. And they brought in Pat Reagan to be in the band. And then Jeremiah Watkins. And that really started to evolve the show. Because they would do bits. And like every week the band was in the new characters and costumes and shit.

23:28And that ultimately evolved into like, now you see what Adam Ray is doing on the show. And some of these other people. That's where that comes from is the band. Now this is. This is a mixed history. Because now people look back and go the show is so much better when the band was there. But at the time it was the source of a lot of complaints. People were like, oh Jeremiah gets in the way of the show or they interrupt too much or whatever. I found a few red bar clips focusing in on the band. So they did interrupt quite a bit. That's yeah. So maybe maybe people are romanticizing. I know Adam Ray gets some of the same complaints now. But they would do stuff like this. This is after Tony lost a bet. He had to join the band for this episode of Kill Jeremiah. Oh, we have a new segment that we would like to bring on to the show. Sometimes. Sometimes go ahead. No, yeah.

24:28Keep breaking format. Awesome. Another new segment. Fuck yeah. Sweet. I'm glad we're getting some positive encouragement from the douchebags over there. This next segment. We're about to do. Sometimes. If you normally watch this podcast, Tony Hitzcliffe gets real mad in red band for saying dirty things. Me too, dude. This segment is called Let's Get Dirty with Red Band. What I do this time. Wow, I wonder who produced this segment. Hey, I got another segment idea. It's called Let's Not Get Paid by Zipper Cruder, dude. Fuck yeah. It gives a fuck. Let's call it that. I got a new segment. It's called Burn the Whole Fucking Thing Down. Fuck yeah, dude. I love that Tony is trying his artists to commit to a character. But as he's like boiling inside.

25:29Fuck. Dude, I'm totally happy right now. Rick the Whole Fucking Thing. You're so mad. So the Tony that I like is that Tony where he's clearly seething but playing along. Like he's going to stay in the character. He's going to fuck with them but let him know how he feels. The Tony that I cannot stay in. And I don't know how anyone do do like people that love the podcast. Just ignore this part or do they like it when Tony will do that but like in an angry way. Because it just derails any fun that was possibly happening when he scolds, whether it's Jeremiah or Adam Ray or whoever. Even I remember a few weeks ago, Sam Talent was on who I love. And I guess Sam Talent was getting up to shake the hands of the guest or whatever. And he got a scolding from Tony. Of course. As a blind guy, I don't even know what's happening. Like you don't even have to say anything. No one really notices. It's not that big a deal.

26:30But like you get a scolding from Tony if you do that stuff. So like the fun like, hey, don't break format. We're getting paid to do this show. Don't do some dumb red band segment. That's what drives the show. And that's what make like that's what got him to the point that he's at now with Netflix deals and hundreds of millions of dollars. But it is also like a real turn off as a viewer. You're like, why is a man about this? It is a perfect show for Netflix to pick up though. How so? It's just like interactive. I don't know. There's more. There's more to react to. They figured out what last coming stand. What last comic standing couldn't figure out. Yes. Last comic standing was like, let's make American Idol. And let's not do anything different. I think season one was like big brother slash American Idol. They were in a house together. And but it was a competition. It was. So they're like, let's just copy every reality show.

27:30Kill Tony was like, yeah, let's do that. But like the stand up version of that. It's not necessarily competition. But it is like there's a lot of American Idol elements to it. And I think that's why people like it. And people like the people that succeed. And people also love when people bomb, which was like a staple of American Idol. And Tony figured that out in a much better way than the other comedy competition shows that tried. Like you're even like, America's got talent. When comedians were on there, that was not an environment for comedy. Put it this way. Sam Marille was on and lost to a fucking juggler or something. You know, right. It's not that's not where comedy fans are going. And one. That's in one last comic standing. Yeah. That's all you need to know. Yeah. And he's still doing comedy somehow. Yeah. Some call it that. Next we have Louis J Gomez talking about the roasting style. Louis J Gomez taking a lot of credit for this, which I'm inclined to give him.

28:32He's a real ass dude. He's a friend of mine. My I'm his plus one to skankfest this year. So I'm not going to question him. But I'll need kill Tony fans to verify this. Is this true? Is this where the roast format started? He says the wrong episode number. I looked at it. I believe Louis's first appearance is with Michael Lawrence. And I think it's episode 152. But this is what Louis says about his first appearance there. Doing that show since it was with the 30 people in the belly room. A lot of people say that the episode that me and Michael Lawrence did was the episode that Tony really figured out the format. Very early like episode 50 or 60 or whatever it was where me and Michael Lawrence were just fucking. We sort of being mean to the comics is that first it was just an advice show. And then me and Mike Lawrence came out and we sort of just trash in the guys who were bombing. And it was this really fun, brutal show. So you guys let me know is that is that true? 152 is when they kind of found their voice. I can see that by the way with Louis and Mike Lawrence just being like, we're not giving these fuckers advice, you know.

29:34It seemed like the perfect personalities for that. I will say so as a comedy nerd. I like there's a couple guys that still kind of make a point to give advice. Especially when they see a potential in a comic. Jim Norton and Joe DeRose are the two that come to mind that always say something kind of encouraging. Or have like, you know, see if they see something in someone they give them a little advice. And I like that as a comedy nerd. I will say the podcast would be nowhere near as big if that was the focus. Yeah. If they were like, hey, don't roast these guys. If it wasn't the environment that it became that Louis built it into. It's not the success that it is. I don't know that it's necessarily even still going. Because you would get nerds like me that are like, what's fun? The voice of tomorrow and comedy, you know. But like Netflix isn't going to give a shit about that, you know. So that was, that was an important step that they realized.

30:34It's not just going to be about the advice. I do think they lean the little far away from ever giving advice. Because now it's either you're that great as to ever do it. Or like, you bombed. You know what I mean? Yeah. There's not a lot in between. Because like every set you mentioned Cam Patterson is on SNL now. Who I like and I think has potential. But every set he did Tony was like another amazing minute. And it's like, what is it? Or did he just recap his weekend and fucking date no higher, you know. I saw one where he just explained that he flew on spirit and that was it. Right. And unbelievable Cam, you do it week after week. That's why I do like when I know we're going to get into the. Trump Biden, whatever, but anytime someone's doing a character. I like when they hide behind the character and say what they actually want to.

31:35Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And there is a Shane's a good one at calling that out where he introred Cam Patterson is like the greatest young comedian working today. And Shane goes, don't do that. Don't do that to him. Why would you do that? That is a disservice to young comedians. Yes. I don't believe the platform is necessarily. It's certainly bad for young comedians. I think building them up as the greatest, the biggest rising stars in comedy. I think that's a disservice to all these guys, but we'll get more into that later in the episode. Next we have golden ticket. Oh, I guess we'll kind of get into it now. Actually, perfect timing. But yeah, this is. So the golden ticket is an interesting thing. The first guy to ever win a golden ticket. I think only came on once after that. So he was not an attention or kudos to him, but it was even framed as Tony being like we're going to give you like a golden ticket of sorts.

32:39Meaning you can come back whenever you like you just explained it like that. And then it became a golden ticket. It wasn't even really an idea that Tony had fully formed. So again, a lot of what the show became you watched happen on the fly, which is what podcasts are able to do. And here's I'll give Tony maybe this will be ball washing Tony. I'll give him a little more credit because this is something I don't think enough podcasts do where they use it as an experiment to create essentially a TV show. Too many comics are just like, yeah, I'll hang out with two of my other friends and talk about whatever. That's where Marin is correct about a lot of podcasts where it's done very lazily. And Tony saw an opportunity to essentially create a TV show. That's what the freedom to do whatever you wanted on podcasts and on the internet. That's what that was supposed to be. And Tony really built it into something. And I don't think enough podcast use that sort of experimental thing. And then you can watch the blind Mike project where I talk about the same five topics.

33:44You know, what do you think your favorite memory of kill Tony is anything stand out? The one that's popping in my mind right now is there was one night where we had so many terrible bucket pulls that I just went turbo round and everybody sucked. It was like an anomaly. And then number 17 was a guy that came up and put the microphone on a Bluetooth speaker and pulled out his phone and started talking about how he has no voice box. Tony, how are you going to make fun of my disability when you look like you're dressed by your bass player? You can't talk. Does he cut your hair too? And you look like the Joker when you smile if the Joker was a gay accountant. That was Aaron Belial and he won a golden ticket. Pretty like he's done such a service for the challenged community. Whether it's mentally, physically, whatever. That is something where it's like these people would never that wouldn't have had an outlet anywhere else.

34:46But like it is kind of impressive. Like even if I'm not saying Aaron Belial is the greatest comedian of all time. But like that's an interesting thing. And I don't know how many platforms would give Aaron Belial an opportunity to do what he does. But it's an interesting unique thing. And he can kind of become a star in a world where otherwise that wouldn't really exist. Now he is the tough part about these golden ticket winners and regulars. And where I think the discussion is interesting. There's there's nuance to it. And maybe I'm overstating my opinion. And I'm sure people in the comments will overstate theirs. But my thing is it is not the fault of Hans Kim that he's selling out theaters. It's the fault of ticket buyers. You know, yeah, he books a theater and doesn't sell any tickets case closed.

35:46Well, he's not a theater act anymore. But if people are buying the tickets, there is an audience for it. What I think frustrates a lot of people. And it goes back to the classic Dane Cook argument that we've had many times on this show. Here we go. I try not to mention Dane Cook. It gets Craig very hot under the collar. But stay with me here. What Dane Cook was for was for people. He was training wheels for comedy in a lot of ways. Like you discovered him when you were young or you weren't that familiar with standup. And you're like, oh, this guy is interesting. And then you kind of learn from him who other state you start to hear about other standups. And you're like, oh, I like this guy more. I like this guy more. And then all of a sudden, you're a standup fan. You're not just a fan of this guy. This gateway drug that got you into it. I would say though Aaron Belial is where he needs to be. He doesn't need to be anywhere else. He's perfect for this show. You know, it wouldn't work anywhere else.

36:48Well, he went on America's got talent, but he can't do like what he what makes him interesting there is being. Kind of like an edge your guy that'll like talk shit, which you don't see from. You know, as a disabled person myself. You're putting a box where it's either like you have to be a certain version of what people want you to be. And I think that's for all for anything other than, you know, straight white people. And that's not the argument I'm having, but it's just a fact where like Tim Dylan is an example that I always use where when. When like Netflix and or you know, Comedy Central or whatever when all these outlets were trying to preach diversity. And they were looking for gay comedians. People were like, what about Tim Dylan and they were like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not. That's not the gay we want. We don't need straight white gay. Yeah, no, we need flamboyant prancing around.

37:50You need to scream gay just from looking at you. That's when they selected Tony Henscliff. Right, right. No, but you know what I mean? Where it's like they want to put you into these boxes. So, you know, like a disabled person on NBC couldn't tell the type of joke. You don't even like take out cursing or whatever. But just couldn't tell the type of jokes that Aaron Blile or Martin Phillips or any of these weirdos tell, you know. And I'm not saying they're great. I'm not saying it's groundbreaking comedy. But like it's fun to that audio. Like if that audience likes it, who gives a shit? You know, and there's this this narrative that like. Kill Tony or the Austin scene is this anti whatever anti trans anti minorities anti anything. Look at the fucking lineup on kill. Look at the regulars of kill Tony. It's it is the spectrum of freaks and people on the fringes. You know what I mean?

38:50It's all shapes and sizes of weirdos. So the idea that it's it's limiting in any way. I just don't think is true. Now, is it a style of comedy that. You know, if you like Patton Oswald, you're probably not going to like kill Tony. That's fine. But this is for them. And that's for you. And I think that's also fine. There's going to be things always that are popular. I use the American Idol example. I don't really give a shit about American Idol. You know, I watched the bad rounds like everyone did. And then I gave up on it. And you know, for some people, that's fun and for others, it isn't. So I this thing where it's like, oh, it's the worst thing for. I just don't agree with that. I think it gives people platforms. And you can make your decision on whether or not they're good. Like I said, I don't. I don't find. William Montgomery is not my cup of tea. Are the guy they have on now? What's his name? Dedric Flynn.

39:50I don't even know if I've seen that one yet. They're not for me. But I think Ari Maddie is like a good, well, generally good comedian. Yeah, he had an unreal joke of viral. He has jokes that I'm like impressed by. So, you know, and like I said, I think Ali Mikovsky is very funny. She came from that show. Kim Kong, then Kim Kong bin's funny. She came from that show. So like they do discover people. And then here's part of the problem. Also, Hans Kim is sort of you know what I'm talking about. I think Hans Kim is like whatever. I think he's like fine. You know, I don't know if you agree or not. You don't like him? I don't like his, I don't like the tone. Well, so that's also fine. It's also fine to not like him. Right. The problem is when you listen to the Joe Rogan experience. And he's like, we had murderers on this lineup. It's Kurt Medsker. It's Ron White.

40:50It's Shane Gillis. It's Hans Kim. And you're like, wait a second. One of those is not fake. Yeah. That seems a little off. So that's the disservice that these guys get. Like if you just saw, if you went to an open mic and saw Hans Kim. You'd lean over to your date and go, that guy was okay. He was better than the last few, you know? Yeah. I think that's all he is. But, but you put it when he's put on this pedestal. And now he's a theater actor or whatever. He's going to attract these people that are jealous of that. And the fact of the matter is that Hans Kim is not taking away theater dates from anyone else. No. You know, like the person that wants that date, the person that is jealous of David Lucas or William Montgomery or Casey rocket or any of these people. The person that is jealous of them wouldn't be filling that theater.

41:53And if you could, you would be. You just being a different city doing it that week and then come to the theater. They were in the next week. So it's kind of the jealousy and the feeling of like that's undeserved. But it is deserved to people are buying tickets. That's my whole thing with it. I don't fault him at all. I just want to write. Right. Right. And speaking of all of those people, the Hall of Famers. Yeah. So this is where, and this is where Tony is good at running a show because he built this world. He built characters that people care about. And, and did it in a way where like. It's almost like keeping statistics and like, you know, you talk about who the best people are. Like it's like sports in that way where the way you talk about it. And a good example of that is the late Michael Lerr. He's the gentleman first time on Killtony Michael Lerr everybody. My question is, where the fuck did all that ice fucking money go?

43:00Sad irony that the only guy that deserves to be on the state. Like the sheer chaos of that. This guy actually has jokes worthy of this state. Yeah, dude. I'm going to put you up whether you're pulled out of the bucket or not. You're going to have an automatic spy. There you go. Michael Lerr for his first time ever in Killtony history. Michael Lerr, by the way, past a few years ago, went out on his own terms, which I respect. He was really struggling with ALS and took a trip up to Oregon and said, let's pull the plug here. But like, look at that way. Where, like, where else does Michael Lerr have a chance to become a celebrity before he dies? You know what I mean? I don't know. Is that a bad thing or is it kind of fun to watch? Again, like if you're someone that gets jealous or angry about the fact that that guy is selling out a club when someone else should be. I don't know. I've seen a lot worse. I've seen a lot worse comedians than the Killtony regulars because I check the comedy clubs around me laugh, Boston or Providence Comedy Connection.

44:08I'll look at some of the names. Let me see if I need tickets. I'm interested in buying coming up. And I see plenty of names worse than a lot of these fucking weirdos, you know? Very funny timing because you said I've seen a lot worse comics than the Killtony regulars as I put the next clip on stage and it's birthright sure. Happy accident. But next we have Rise of the regulars. Yeah, so this is, I mean, this goes back to what we were discussing, but like the show got so popular. And I was like, why? Why didn't people have these complaints about the show? Because now you hear a lot of complaints about Killtony and how toxic it is and how bad it is for comedy. I'm like, what the show's been around 13 years? How come these complaints only started popping up around the last five? And part of it is politically driven. And part of it is that it's the Austin Comedy scene and Tony did the Trump rally and all of that.

45:08But part of it is also jealousy and the bigger the show gets, the bigger venues these regulars are put. How tough is it with these kids that are doing Killtony that are now all of a sudden so famous doing these arena shows and they're very talented. But how do you keep it measured for them to let them know you still just started? That's the most fascinating thing. It's the secret sauce to my life. It's the thing that actually keeps everything in balance. I don't have kids. I don't have, you know, a wife. So as corny as this sounds, they kind of are my, you know, not children, but fucking sort of my favorite thing is to tell them everything that I know. You know, Killtony is actually modeled after Kill Bill, which is like training assassins. That was the original idea of the name behind it is like, let's fucking kind of help people and teach them everything that we know. And if you're good, you get a golden ticket.

46:09If you're great, if you're unbelievable, you're a fucking regular. So this is the problem. This is where I start to get annoyed with Tony. You're all assassins. Just the phrasing of that. If you're unbelievable, you get a golden ticket. I don't think that's true. There's a lot of people who have golden tickets that did mediocre and had an interesting story after. And Tony was like, yeah, know what? You're getting a golden ticket. And now it's become a thing that people like and Tony's this like, you know, pro wrestling guy and knows how to put on a show. So now he knows like if there's a low in the show, it's fun to give out a golden ticket. Like that he just knows that. So this idea that they're assassins, they're unbelievable, undeniable. That's where you start to go. First of all, it does them a disservice.

47:10Like we said, you're putting them on this pedestal that is impossible to live up to. And now people are going to judge them based on that instead of how they should be judged. And also Tony's experience is not really applicable to everyone. Like Tony has this massive like, if Tony is giving advice on being a stand up that rises to the level of his future. The level of his fame, it's not really applicable because Tony's fame is almost purely based on his podcast. And now one shot, his Netflix special was panned. People hated it to the point where it was a Netflix original that has been taken off Netflix. Just not on there anymore. And people should on it all the time. And people should on his stand up in general. But then again, this is where I get to, it's either love or hate. People get to, well, Tony's never said anything funny. And so I don't know, watch the Tom Brady rose.

48:12Like there's, there's, there's moment, he's very quick on that podcast. And that's not easy. You know what I mean? He'll throw out corny lines sometimes, he'll bomb sometimes. But sometimes he has stingingly quick lines, which is very difficult to do in the moment like that. So like it's, to call him, to say he's never been funny is not true. You can definitely say he's not your cup of tea, which I totally get. But the one thing that does bug me is the idea like, I'm going to groom these youngsters into being the biggest voices in comedy. It's like, well, you had a very rare situation that I don't think is applicable to all of these guys. And Tony was not, Tony was not given that sort of an intro. Tony was not propped up as the second coming in comedy. So I think to do it to them is, is where he's doing them a great disservice. And I think it, sort of, is trickled down into what people think of that show.

49:14We're going to hear from Anthony Gieselneck in a minute where there's a lot of criticisms that Gieselneck has. I criticized him on the blind mic project for the way he was going about it. And the way he was kind of attacking podcasts. But there's a lot that he said that there is definitely truth in. But wasn't that right after the Trump thing? It was right after the Trump thing, but it was also he was like promoting his special. So he's taking shots at Rogan and Tony and all that. It was politically motivated, it seemed, which was kind of my issue with it. Me too. But there's a lot of stuff he says that is true. And it comes from Tony's fucking ego. Where there will be just complete derailings of the show. I told I mentioned that stalker thing. You have this very interesting moment where a guy comes to basically proposed to Kim Kong. He's like, we met once years ago. I've been obsessed with her. I bought her a ring. You knew the date that they met. He's like, I love her more than my mom, which is a really weird thing to say. So you're having this unique, interesting moment.

50:16And Tony stops the show to pat himself on the back and go, you're experiencing the greatest moment of your lives. I mean, every show starts with, are you ready for the best fucking night of your lives? Which again is probably why the show is on that level because of that pro wrestling element that he has. And I will credit him with again, like he's able to make fun of himself a little bit. And that's where I don't know if you saw the episode. I think over the summer where Adam Ray plays Killton plays a 20 inch cliff. I didn't see that one. Adam Ray hosts the show as Tony Hinchcliffe. We're really doing it red band. And it's very fun. And so Tony and Tony comes out and like he's able to make fun of himself in that way. But it's like kind of like I say about Marin, you could acknowledge your flaws. But if you never change them, what's the point of acknowledging them really? Speaking of the assassancy trains, we have to live Montgomery.

51:20A William Montgomery. The William Montgomery problem is interesting to me. So now I've been noticing that he's been opening shows, at least as we record this. He was opening his shows. And the Killtony subreddit has an interesting theory about this. And I think Tony alluded to it in a recent episode that Netflix. According to Tony Netflix doesn't really give him notes, but they do tell him facts. Well, you know, statistics about analytics about the show. And it seems like people on Netflix are a fucking tune in the fuck out when William comes on stage. No, and I don't, this is one where I'm like, I don't get it. I do get people's frustration where they're like, why are these guys so famous? There's instances where I get it and William Montgomery's one that stands out to me. If you've seen William before, I haven't. Are you Chad? I'm great. Cool.

52:22What are you doing? Are you a comedian? Or what do you do? Oh my god. William. Why do you do that to the guests? That's what I forgot to tell you guys earlier. Remember when I said we feel like I'm forgetting something. What I forgot to tell you guys was sometimes William takes shot at the guests. To not worry about it. That really I swear. He has a bad reputation. Okay. He's like. What? William, what are you doing? Are you starting shit over there? No, I'm not. Why are you looking bad up and down? Yeah, he's sizing me up. I think I could kick the shit out. Whoa. William. Beat your fucking ass. Get out of my ass again. So what are you, a comment or something? Whoa. I can take your fucking ass. Whoa, William. Don't do that. William. Don't do that. He's never been more relatable than that video of him. And that video of him bombing on New Year's Eve or whatever that was. Well, so like Chad Daniels is a legitimately funny comment.

53:24And a veteran has been around a long time. And Chad Daniels got a lot of shit for this interaction. People were like, oh, he was a dick to William Montgomery. I don't understand the ad. I've heard Mark Norman talk about this and kind of give the same perspective. It's like, I don't understand the act of coming out and be like, what are you a fucking dickhead? Hey, you an asshole. Yeah. No. You know what I mean? Like, what is anyone supposed to do with that? I don't really get it. So that guy who doesn't know the show that much doesn't know William Montgomery. He gets up there and that guy starts screaming. He's going to kick his ass and he didn't react normally. Right. Yeah. I don't get William Montgomery's whole thing. But this is, I guess this is what I mean where it's like I look at William Montgomery. I don't fucking get it. But I look at that as, hey, what am I missing? I look to think, I wonder what people see in him. But there's an interesting instinct where people are like, oh, fuck, he's showing out clubs and I hate it so much.

54:25That's like, well, no, I'm fine with that. I just, I don't get the appeal. So I'd like to know that if anyone can explain it to me. But yeah, there's, there's a lot of different characters on there that have risen to an interesting place in comedy. But like I said, I think that's ultimately a good thing because you find your thing. Maybe you're someone who in a different world loves, you love William Montgomery. But if you lived at any other time, you wouldn't have found this fucking guy, you know, like it's, it's just appealing to whoever that's for. So whoever your guy is, that guy may have not been discovered either, you know, in a different world where there were limited job where everyone was trying to get a sitcom on CBS. There were only a finite number of spots for people. And now you can kind of find whoever you want. So I still think it's a good thing for comedy ultimately. Next we have the pandemic. Oh, so this was a, what do we not have that maybe we get to a later I forget.

55:29But the pandemic was a real tough point for Killtoni. And this is again where I applaud his fortitude because I think a lot of people were just fucking giving up, you know. What they have 10 months without performing in front of a live audience for the format of Killtoni that seems impossible. So this is a little bit from their first episode in Austin. What's up, Austin Texas. Good evening and welcome. It's a live audience here at Killtoni. You guys excited to be here or what? Brian Redban is here. What is up guys? We're here new residents of Austin, Texas. How exciting is this? This is the first episode of Killtoni with an audience in over 10 months. Wow. Wow. Feels great to be here, guys. The great. Yeah. So they moved to Austin. That's a, that's where the show really started to pop because it felt like

56:29the Austin comedy scene starts to blow up and the mother ship is a place that's selling out every night or whatever it's doing now. But at the time it was selling out every night. And I know Killtoni still sells out every week. And that became like their signature show. And so that was when the show really exploded once they could at first it was like, you know, you had to book an entire table. It was weird pandemic rules. But once things opened up, which was not too long after they got to Austin. That's what I think things really started to explode because they had these guys with a lot of attention on them that were around for all these episodes. Adam Ray, Shane Gillis, you know, all these people that were just starting to pop in that were also coincidentally exploding in comedy around that time. It was a big thing for them, but it is pretty amazing. Like I said, at that time, where so many podcasts were getting big because of the pandemic.

57:32Like you started to see podcasts pop up podcasts numbers doing better because everyone was inside and at home. So you started to see podcasts flourishing, but Killtoni's numbers were dropping because who wants to watch that? I was watching zoom comedy, you know. So it was very difficult for them, but they plowed ahead. They never missed a week, which is pretty incredible to me. And that's again, like, if I'm going to applaud one thing about Tony, it's definitely his work ethic. Like the guy is as tried more than more than I think any other podcaster. Like I think laziness is a plague in podcasting that Tony does not suffer from. I just have an ego as Anthony Jezzel next going to talk about. This is where like even when I was criticizing Jezzel next for the rancid was going on, but I was like, this is correct. He's he's pretty spot out. This is definitely fair. Speaking of Trump rallies, does anybody want to ask me about Tony Hinchcliffe? The most dangerous time for you and your career is right after you've had a big success.

58:36I think he did that roast of Tom Brady and got real high on himself. And again, I'm not going to like point you to the interviews, but like Google Tony Hinchcliffe interview. Last like four months, it's insane. How out of control his ego is. And again, like your performer, you get that out of control ego, ride the wave, enjoy it. Give me a chance. You know what I mean? I give a hungry. A little chance of showing what I can do. I get it. He's kind of an exhausting guy to listen to pump himself up. And I remember like, here's the problem. I think a lot of people had a problem with Tony, like around the time of the Trump rally, where they're like, how could he do that? You're not a real comedian if you do that. And then they all went to Riyadh and no one really said a peep about Tony anymore. That's right. But my thing is the political motivation of criticizing him is where I had a problem. Because I think if he did the same event for Kamala Harris or Joe Biden, no one would have really given a fuck. My problem with Tony is when he comes out and says the reason he did the Trump rally

59:40is because I thought I could have changed the minds of upwards of 200,000 voters. And it's like, boy, that is optimistic, Tony. Is he just taken like the viewership of Kill Tony and assuming he was going to get all of them? I don't, I don't know what he would like to be fair. The real quote is like, maybe I would change 100 minds. Maybe I could change a thousand minds. Maybe I could change 200,000 minds. So like he is saying like, optimistically, it's 200,000. But just they don't look that crazy to be honest. I think it's crazy to think that Tony Hinchcliffe could do a 10 minute set. The week before the fucking election. And that 200,000 people would go, ah shit, all right, I'm voting for Trump now. I think that's pretty crazy. Yeah, it's not the craziest thing in there. I think it's I think it's pretty enough. So it's his ego is out of control, I think. And there are times where it just comes out of nowhere. I should have pulled the clip, but I wouldn't really know how to find it.

1:00:41We put it in the blind mic project years ago. But some guy gets up and he does it. He makes a mistake that a lot of people do is like, oh, I'm going to, I'm just going to roast the, ah, the host or the panel. And it's like he gets up and he calls Tony gay or whatever. And it kind of bombed. And Tony goes, are you going to run back to Reddit with this? And like he gets like really mad at the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, the guy bombed Tony. That's enough embarrassment. You don't have to fucking scream at him. You are not me. So like that. But the ego is also what fuels the show. The pomp and circumstance around it. Yeah. Um, I, is what made that show massive. So it's hard to really criticize it. I like. I guess what I wonder is in different hands. Like if Louis J. Gomez had this idea. Is the show the same? No. I don't think so. Because I don't think they would do the same things with it.

1:01:43I don't think they would be as experimental. And I, and I love Lewis. Pick a comedian. Pick whoever you want. The thing with Tony and the reason it works is because he is soft in some places. And like, we'll give them something where Lewis would just rip everyone's head off. Right. But I also think he's experimental. And I think people would have, other people would have been like, oh, this is, this is so lame that we're doing this. I even, I, to use Lewis as the example, I love story wars. I personally think story wars is the best live podcast going right now. Um, but something I'm noticing happen on that show is comedians come on. And they're like, who, who even care? What am I going to win a stupid book? I don't care. Like they're just kind of shitting on the format. And it's like, well, yeah, but you're on the show. It's, you don't have to actually care, you know, like you shouldn't stab your opponent to win. But you're on the show. So kind of take it seriously.

1:02:44And that's something Tony always makes sure happens on Kill Tony that everyone like to a degree takes it seriously. Uh, in a way that other podcasters don't. So I think that's kind of the driving element of the show that I don't know how many people. I've given that same format in 2013 would have grown it into this. Some, he takes it seriously. And some people take it way too seriously as Rick Flair is about to show us. Yeah. Well, so this is, this is what's great. This is the reason the show gets big. Because things start happening. First of all, I think people were drawn to the show a little more than they ever were because of the Pang dang thing. How many fans go? I haven't really watched Kill Tony. Let me check it out. Um, because Pang dang tried to cancel Tony at a, at a time where people were going, eh, you know what? Fuck that. We're not really doing that anymore. Um, and then because of the live element and because you're getting a mix of comedians and celebrities and these people that know

1:03:44You've got a panel of Louis J. Gomez, Zach Amico, Mark Norman, R.E. Shefeer, Shane Gillis and Rick Flair. It ended up resulting in this. You are here with Rick Flair, you are a wrestling coach. Uh, how does it feel to have a performance like that in front of Rick Flair? Fuck. No. No, hey, actually be honest with you I respect that very much. My son was a great amateur wrestler and This is why I'm gonna make this this is why you come here guys This is why I'm leaving after I say this No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I have more respect for people to take their time To support any youthful athletic event

1:04:45My son was a great amateur wrestler He died of a heroin overdose Oh into the on 13. I don't know you're that I'm over that But anybody In case you've never seen this clip before Guy comes up they start you know, he does shitty. They're making fun of him They're roasting him whatever Rick Flair earlier in the episode is talking about getting Asian pussy You know like he's in on the joke. It seems and all of a sudden Rick Flair does this and he brings it down to this mood from their life to support kids It meant them better because I can tell you right now From personal experience and because I believe in my heart You're at Asian pussy

1:05:45He gets he gets many leaves he gets pissed off and he leaves and It's a great moment that you don't get me away. I mean, there's more you could we could go more in depth in the Rick Flair episode itself and just how insane that was but like That's the cool thing that people started to notice about this show and Tony saw that and started creating these moments and that would have interesting mixes of people um and like he would kind of encourage Unique things happening on the show and spur the moment and there's always what you know There's kind of staples to that where it's like if a guy mentions that his girlfriend is also in the bucket They'll bring her up to see if she's funnier like there's show like that that You know makes these kind of unique moments that aren't going to happen on any of their podcasts And now I'm doing the thing that Tony does every week where I'm talking about how magical it is. Oh my god He was right Damn it. Now I see why you do it

1:06:46Well There there was one episode where that was allowed for me and that was the Trump Biden episode Well, well, here's my thing though. You don't interrupt this episode and go isn't this an awesome episode guys Sure you do. I will know you just let it play out you let us say it was an awesome episode But this was the real Turning point. This is where things really fucking exploded This is one of like the most watched podcast ever Not just in terms of views, but like watch hours And this is where Netflix took notice and said let's get let's get our myths on this. Oh, there's the lovely Heidi everybody. Oh, hey One a great lady. I talked to her backstage Wonderful woman the dits are real Excuse me. Excuse me. A lot of people are saying her tits are fake. They're not fake. I touched them and

1:07:46Great tits wonderful tits American tits and that's That's the thing that we've lost under this administration where the American tits anymore Four years ago they were American tits now. There's no American tits Mexican tits Oh Mexican tits are streaming up the border and no one stopping it Spent all tits One stock in your dead can you believe this this would never Unimaginable what's happened to this country We're fine. We're fine. Hey, I smell their tits too. They're great Everything's great. We're fine now. We're fine then. We're fine. Hey, you're the sucker I mean the timing of that was perfect everything just culminated in a perfect way where it's you know, it's at a time where Shane is really exploding Adam Ray's

1:08:47Kind of on the cusp of exploding And it's right after the Trump Biden debate where Biden looked crazy and they had to get rid of him so like the timing of that all Worked out so perfectly that it resulted in this thing where I remember I remember I was at My buddy's kids birthday party and someone was talking to me that I couldn't imagine Bringing up the podcasts that I listened to or know about And they go hey, did you see this Trump thing on kill Tony and I was like you watch kill Tony And they're like no, but I saw this episode So that's when I was like oh this like transcended any sort of normal Yeah, viewership and became a new thing and that's kind of where and now like I said my My sister-in-law who like goes to map she goes to she doesn't know comedy at least the way I do But she goes to mat rife shows and she watches kill Tony So it became this thing what a combo I know but but to me again, that is I see that as

1:09:54Because we're at a time in comedy now Where it is reaching the level that you know music and film and television were at different times in society And to me, I think that's a good thing where it's like maybe She'll always just be like a mat rife kill Tony fan Or maybe she'll be like who's this joe list who's on this week. He's pretty funny. Let me check him out You know, yeah, and never happens with joe list on podcast unfortunately He was just on Matt and Shane's secret podcast with Steve run is easy and McCusker. Yes great episode. It was so funny He was great everyone needs to listen to joe list. Oh check out joe list for god. I think by the time This is out. I think he might be on the episode of kill Tony that week. Oh So good timing, but Yeah, but uh, but yeah, my point is I think kill Tony's kind of a good gateway drug to get into standup, you know

1:10:55Um, and like we we proved it can also be a gateway drug into hating standup and certain people around it. So it's a gamble. Yeah, it's a gamble Um, but that leaves us with our favorite segment Well, so before we get there of course, I mean we've mentioned it, but the Netflix deal comes And I gotta say I think they handled that very well. Now I wonder it's an interesting discussion with Netflix because They made this deal with Tony where they're like hey do What is it like three special episodes a year? Something like that And then not long after that they start buying up all these podcasts You know, they have part of my take and bill Simmons and Adam Ray's doing shows on there So I'm like oh is kill Tony eventually every episode is gonna be on Netflix Uh, because you're right you said something earlier where it's like it is it's a TV show You know, I mean, it's a podcast, but it's really more of a show and something like that is built for Netflix where it's this spectacle

1:11:56I think they did a good job at least the first couple with um Keeping it true to the show I think the last one I noticed I saw where um It was all regulars and Known comedians that were performing And then and then I saw on Reddit people were saying like oh, I was at the show. It was a you know Arena New Year's Eve show and they're like I was at the show and this guy Before so and so really bombed and they cut that out And I'm like well that you're kind of changing how the show is for these Netflix episodes Which it'll be interesting to see how that plays out going forward. How many more of these Netflix episodes um Exist how my you know help if Netflix extends the deal and keeps doing them or buys more of them or however they do it Uh, but I think for now they've they've done a pretty good job

1:12:58And kind of finding Their mix there what it is. I'll tell you what's annoying about the Netflix episodes though There was a real cringe moment at the end Joe Rogan comes out to give uh to hand out best guest of the year or whatever they do And uh the guest of the year last year was Rob Schneider And Rob Schneider if you think I'm blowing Tony Hinchcliffe this episode It is x-rated. I didn't know Netflix could broadcast where Rob Schneider did to Joe Rogan And And the shame of it is we can't play that on youtube. No, we can't unfortunate. I wanted to play it on the blind mic project and we couldn't but Uh, yeah, it'll be interesting to see where that show goes forward. Maybe they eventually jumped the shark Maybe you think they already have but I I wanted to do an episode where we a little more properly frame Where kill Tony fits in the history of podcasts the history of comedy

1:13:58Um, because I think it gets shit on unfairly and by the way, I shit on the show sometimes like there's segments of the blind mic project where we've made fun of kill Tony But we should be so fairly I think so I think I think I think I'm the most fair when I shit on things. I'm the one guy that's fair Right down the middle um, but no, I we've done other episodes like uh we did an episode about carrot top where we talk about our carrot tops But unfairly disrespected uh, dane cook, we tell you know, I think there's I think there is a tipping point where it's like Ah, right. They're not all bad. You know, take it easy Uh, so I hope we've done that with this episode. I although I will say A man who uh, that did take a couple of jabs and it'd be it'd be interesting to know You you heard my thoughts on kill Tony right now It'd be interesting to know if there were a guy that were still around that could tell me how to think about this stuff Maybe I'd think a little differently, and that would be normic Donald

1:14:58But then over the years though I made my way back into the group and now we're all good. So you open from nc. I which made you the enemy of the death Death squad Bruce Lee move it. Yeah, it's just like it so the death squad I don't know what Bruce Lee move Yeah, no you make death squad the next one sends in Bruce Lee movie that I I went to a comic club, and then the next week the death squad It so it seems like a norm at a little a little dirigent towards the death squad A little bit fun fact I think I said this I think we played this clip on the history of the Jorugum experience episode also And I may have said the same thing, but uh, you know who named the death squad Oh, I did I forget. I'll be one Greg Opie Hughes That's right. He said Joe Rogan's death squad are coming in the bin. I guess it's stuck So shut up to the opster two mentions on this episode something here one good one bad

1:16:01Uh, yeah, so I don't know. I'll be curious to hear what you guys think. I know given Uh, the viewership of this channel A lot of you may disagree with me on my thoughts on kill Tony But I hope ultimately you understand the point I'm trying to get across like I may Very much agree with some of your criticism of the show But it's not all bad The idea that it's all bad. I think it's just silly and it has bred this resentment and comedy um The resentment for kill Tony. I think is much worse for comedy Uh, than anything kill Tony brings for the table like I think the energy that Mark Marin has in interviews when he talks about the Austin comedy scene. I think it's worse for comedy than anything Tony Hinchcliffe is doing in particular, but you guys you guys let me know what you think in the comments and uh, I appreciate your feedback and your comments and your likes And you subscribe to the channel because that helps more people find the show. So thank you for doing that

1:17:03And it gets more eyeballs on these episodes And I should also mention go through the entire catalog. I put together. I've put together a few playlists So like if you particularly like when we break down comedy radio or podcasts, we have a playlist for that on the YouTube channel All the biographies we've done the comedy special breakdowns Controversies and conflicts and then I think the other one is like TV shows and movies that we've broken down Which we haven't done a ton of movies yet, but we will start in the year 2026 So look forward to that. But yeah, if there's a style of why you laughing episodes That you like particularly I've organized them into playlists. So go check them out recommended to people I appreciate you guys doing that and supporting the show Available on all platforms video on Spotify now audio wherever else you get podcast and Get early access and bonus content on patreon or youtube if you are a member And blind mic done that is the easiest place to find all those links. Thank you very much guys

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