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0:00Well, some fools, men of the J.U. So here from the WWE. When it's just me between matches, it's day one-ish. That means it's Chumba time. With hundreds of casino style games and new titles arriving weekly, there's always something fresh to try at Chumba Casino. The daily booze make it even more fun. And have me, bout to get them all during my downtime. Ready for a fun way to chill out and enjoy a few minutes for yourself? Let's Chumba. No purchase necessary. VGW Group Void were prohibited by law, CTs and Cs. 21 Plus sponsored by Chumba Casino. My name is Danny Minsky. I was a 17-year-old Jeffrey Epstein victim in 2004 and 2005. I was victimized and abused by Jeffrey Epstein, but really, there's a second phase of abuse that started about three months ago. When I realized that my name, phone number, address, where I worked at the time, all identifying information had been just brought to light for the world to see it was completely exposed.

1:00I think it's safe to say that the redactions done by a bunch of lawyers were sloppy at best and deliberately careless and calculated at worst. In all of the noise, the politicization, the unnecessary drama that is surrounding the Epstein files, the non-compliance by the DOJ and the Trump regime, the thing that is getting lost are the victims and the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein, Galen Maxwell, and others. Their stories deserve and are necessary to be amplified and uplifted because they are the reason why we must fight for transparency. They are the reason why we must fight until justice has had for all of them. I had the privilege of spending time today with Daniel Danny Minsky. Her story is horrific. It really cuts you to the core and yet there's still something so incredibly uplifting and inspiring about this conversation that we had. I invite you to sit down and to listen

2:02and to soak in and absorb the energy, just the importance of why her story must be told and why we must continue in our push to help them that they are always seen and that they are always centered on why we're fighting in this fight. Take a listen. Joining me now is Danielle Danny Minsky. Danny, it is truly a privilege to be able to spend time with you. I am just odd by your bravery and courage to always put yourself public facing, forward facing to talk about not only what happened to you at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein, Galen Maxwell, and others, but to also be such a huge advocate for fellow victims and survivors. And frankly, some people that are faceless nameless that have been traumatized themselves as a result of sexual assault and sexual abuse. Danny, I know that you've talked about this before but I really want our viewers to understand.

3:03You met Jeffrey Epstein when you were just 17 years old. You were attending a school for dance. You are an incredible dancer, choreographer, even now. If you were just 17, let our viewers know how Epstein was able to really pray on you specifically, especially concerning your mom and her brain cancer. Yeah, definitely. First of all, thank you so much for having me on the program. You know, it does feel like a huge responsibility to be able to talk about these topics. And I think so many of us feel like we owe it to the rest of the survivor community to make sure that we're talking about these really important topics like grooming, right? And so I was a young ballerina, a young dancer and I had, you know, a stage mom who really wanted, you know, she wanted me to excel. And I had, you know, ballet masters, ballet teachers who I was always aiming to please. Everything was all about making sure my body alignment was correct, making sure my weight was the exact weight, right?

4:04So there was all of this pressure through a lot of my childhood to be perfect, which I think really shaped me and quite a bit. But I think also just led me to be able to walk into a very manipulative situation. And it just, it just want to please all the time. So I was in 2004. I met Jeffrey Epstein. I was at a professional performing arts school. I was dancing at the Joffrey Ballet School and New Jersey Ballet and they're like in their use division and had been already performing quite a bit professionally at the Pay for Mill Playhouse. We did, you know, not crack every year. We did all sorts of things like that. And so by the time I got to professional performing arts school, I was already feeling tremendous pressure. And so few friends of mine went out one day. We went to a nightclub to just blow off some steam. I was too young to be there, but I was there anyway.

5:05At that point, I was 17 years old. And somebody that was sort of like a background acquaintance, you know, it wasn't just out of left field. I did know who she was, but she was in the bathroom with a friend of mine and I. And we were talking about, you know, we wanted to be performers. She wanted to be a singer. You know, so we wanted to be performers. And this woman had said to us, she was a really woman. She was younger than that. She was 18 or 19 at the time. And she had just said, you know, I know way. Like, why don't you guys work as massage therapists? Because there's this guy on the, you know, Upper East Side who pays a bit of money. That's there for the hour. And then you're in and you're out. And you can still do your art and do your craft. So we went that first time. My friend and I went together. And it was just a normal massage. It really was not anything that was sinister. And that was the beginning. I realize of the vast manipulation that would occur. That was systematic manipulation.

6:05And it was its own grooming process. And I think I was so, I was so easily persuaded. Because I think it is that like people, pleasey thing that dancers and performers, you know, he went after a lot of models, after his dancers. Because he would say to me all the time things like, you know, I know everybody in the ballet world. You know, I know pure Martins. I know these names that I felt like I loved talking ballet. I wanted to talk ballet all the time. And he would talk it with me, you know, and like what other peer at 17 years old wants to talk about, like the principal ballet dancers at AVT. And so I, he found connection with me that way. And slowly he would use that to manipulate me. He would say, you know, I dated Kelsey Kirkland for quite some time. And Kelsey Kirkland loved taking off her clothes. You should try that, you know. And so that slowly started to build until he's like, you know, well, all ballet dancers do this. You know, they all know bodywork and they all are naked.

7:07So like this should be easy for you. So he was always trying to find the way in there. Like it was always about, I have studio space. And if you're good, I'll give you studio space. So I did start, it was like, you know, the slow manipulation, the slow build. And then my mom was diagnosed with a brain tumor. And she, I was, it was very, very fearful, you know, and my mom and I had not had like the best relationship for the few months leading up to that. And so when she told me that she was, she was fearful of dying, I was like, okay, who do I know? What can I do to find answers here, right? And so she showed me the scans. I ended up going with her. I believed to one appointment. And Epstein's name was on a list of donors. Now, I don't know if it was Jeffrey or not. The said Epstein, right? And so I in my mind, I knew that I had been in this crazy, huge mansion and like in the 17 year old brain, I was like, oh, he must be a brain surgeon.

8:07They're the only people that make that kind of money, right? Not thinking about like, you know, what the world of finance year was or what any of that looked like. I didn't know. And also like, we didn't have the internet the same way that we have now. There was none. Let me just research this person. So I had no idea where his money was coming from. And he did have like very strange things around the house. He had this like sculpture of a brain. And so I was like, oh, that makes perfect sense. If he's a brain surgeon, right? His name's a donor. And so that was why I ended up bringing my mom's scans to Jeffrey down and saying like what it was, it was really just to say like, what do you see here? He never, he never paid for a surgery for her. He was never in charge of her care. There was nothing like that. It was just for me to say like, what do you see? I think you might be in this profession. And maybe you can help me or you know somebody. And he was, she was up at Mount Sinai, right? And so he, I knew that he had ties just based on his name being on this donor list.

9:11So he had said to me then, well, I know the best anesthesiologist. Like, you know how powerful I am, right? I know everybody. You know, and he had mentioned that before. And he's always on the phone with very powerful people when I was there. And so, you know, I believed him. He spoke and I always believed him. And so he had said, well, I know the best anesthesiologist. And I know like, you know, the best doctors that could either be on call or maybe they're not on call that day. And maybe your mom really has to, you know, sacrifice some things. They're like, maybe she'd and like alluded to the fact that like, her care would be compromised. And then he said to me at that point, well, you know, you're going to have to do some things for me. If you want, if you want any help. And again, like, never help me actually. But, um, and what he was suggesting was he's like, you have to recruit more girls, which I never did. I never recruited a single person. Um, or you're going to have to do more. And that was when my abuse took a turn. Um, the next time that I, I came to the mansion,

10:11there was no small talk of ballet. There was no, you know, because he knew he found the way in. And I think for all of us, I think he was always finding the way in. If he could break you down, that's where he, like, it was all a mental manipulation. Um, so it's, it is definitely a lesson in, in grooming, to be honest. And I think that that's why it's so important that we continue to talk about. grooming of young girls and young boys in, in this country. Um, and just make sure that we're looking for the warning signs. Um, I think this generation is already incredibly brave. I'm noticing I teach dance, um, for, for like, you know, really 15 to 19, but 17 to 19 is like the, the sweet spot. And, um, I'm already seeing them be so much more vocal than we were. I wouldn't dare speak up, you know, and, in fact, my friend and I both went and both knew Jeffrey. And we knew that the other person was going and we didn't share any information with each other. We didn't talk about it. It was always like, don't ask, don't tell.

11:11And I always think about my students now. And I'm like, they would never let that happen. And they'd be like, hey, this thing's happening to me. Is it happening to you? And then get the adult involved. So I think we're already in a much better place. But that's why these conversations are important. It is soul crushing to hear you describe what happened to you. And it's amazing, Danny, because even now, this many years later, I can actually hear you almost, I don't know if it's fair to say this to you. It's almost like you're still justifying what happened, right? Like it's like you're, it's like you feel compelled to have to justify what a horrific, excuse of a human being did to you. Yeah. Because it's like you feel almost like you have to defend what you did, even though you were a child. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing. Victory Lane? Yeah. It's even better with Chamba by my side. Race to Chamba Casino.com. Let's Chamba. No purchase necessary. VTW Group. Boy, we're prohibited by law.

12:11CTNCs. 21 plus. Sponsored by Chamba Casino. And that's why for me, it hurts my heart to hear you have to be still having to be in this. No matter, no matter how strong you feel, no matter how brave you feel, it's like you still have to almost justify why you didn't say something or why you did something or why you did it, which I feel leads to my next question, which is, you have somebody who has the biggest pulpit in the world as the leader of the free world who labels and calls what happened to you and others a hoax. You have now the politicization and the games that are being played, especially by Republicans, right, about what happened to you. Yeah. Talk about why it is just so hard to have to always put on the shield and to have to come forward. And even I almost feel guilty having this conversation with you. And yet I do understand the importance and the value of us having this conversation. I think the value and importance is everything.

13:11And it's why we keep doing it. There are definitely days where I've gotten up, you know, and I think other survivors' sisters have as well where you're like, why am I doing this? I can't keep going. But I do think that there is, we are working through pieces of our own trauma that we had for a long time in the shame of it all, right? Like I felt so afraid. I just before I get into the Democratic Republic inside, you know, I was depended in 2008 by law enforcement, by the FBI to talk about Burry. And I remember feeling so much fear in that, like I didn't want myself to have to be able to go back to that place and be able to speak really honestly about it. And I think that the healing is absolutely a lifelong journey. But, you know, just really quickly, I think we're working on changing the statute of limitations. It was something the Virginia 3 was always incredibly passionate about. And the more I agent to myself, and I am able to, you know, sort of like,

14:13I don't want to say validate what happened to me, but understand it from a more adult lens. Yeah. I think you start to see why, like, you know, I'm almost 40. And I'm just now finally coming to terms with, like, looking at all of the pieces and understanding all of the pieces. So I think that that's part of why changing the statute of limitations is so incredibly important. But that's your question. Yeah, I mean, it feels like we are always in the middle of political warfare. And it's exhausting. Like nobody that I know signed up to be a Democratic hoax. We are people first and foremost. We thank that from the very beginning that these are human stories. Like we actually have no, no place here. Like we don't have an agenda at all. It's absolutely just to make sure that people who have harmed are not in positions of power because they shouldn't be, right? We know that, you know, we need the leaders of this country to have the right values. That's it. And so I think that we're often looked at, you know, as these pawns.

15:17And it's, I'm not sure how to get us out of that arena. We've had so many conversations with Republicans. And almost at the end of every, I would say, at the end of, I should say, Republican congressional leaders. We're in, in Congress, often talking about our stories. And at the end of almost every conversation we've had, I've always asked, or one of us always asked, how do we get it out of the political sphere? And it's like, well, you can't, right? Okay, fine, we can't. But like, how do we make this nonpartisan? This is the, you know, it's the time for people to cross the aisle. If we can't all agree that, like, child rape is a bad thing, then what are we doing? It's horrific, you know? So I just find that everybody wants to, I shouldn't say everybody. We have so many amazing congressional reps on our side. And even like, in those Republican offices, we're having amazing conversations.

16:17And then there's no action and no follow-through, which is even more frustrating. Because it's like, you're looking at each other person to person. And you do have that moment of empathy. But then it just gets erased with no follow-through. So I'm not sure why we're always right in the middle of this great divide. But I wish that some people would come to the center a little bit more for us. And how disappointing must it be to have to do this cycle of disappointment when you see something as momentous? I mean, I'm a former prosecutor, Danny, right? For me, these cases are so important. And they were some of the most significant ones that I handled as a prosecutor. And then as somebody who was also very heavily involved in politics, I see the bipartisan movement behind the Epstein Files Transparency Act. I see Rokana and Tom Massey, a Democrat and a Republican, coming together to co-sponsor this legislation. I see the overwhelming vote in the House, the Senate,

17:17and then it gets signed into law. And then I'm thinking, whoa, right? I mean, because I'm from Florida. We've had Epstein since the 2000s, right? When you were literally going through the horrors of this abuse, we've known about the stuff in Epstein. And so, you know, I see this happen. And then now you see the gainsmanship. You see the lies, you see the stonewalling, you see the Attorney General of the United States refusing to apologize to you and others. You see the Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche saying, there's three million plus more documents, but hey, we're not releasing it. And still violating the law. And these are law enforcement, right? These are the top cops, the top lawyers. How disappointing is it to think you kind of hit that holy grail of getting a law to help you get some accountability. And then the wheels fall off that wagon. Yes. I mean, so I sat there in that initial house oversight committee meeting. There were six of us that were in the room.

18:18And it was the first time I had ever really spoken openly about my story. And we did it in chronological order. And Annie Farmer was there on behalf of Maria Farmer. And she started talking about Maria's 1996 report. And you can't help but to sit there and listen to this. And be like, my abuse should have never, ever, ever happened. Oh, yes. Yes. And so then, you know, I'm 2004. And I'm in the middle of all of these women talking. So I'm like, if I'm in the middle, I'm still listening to three more cases of abuse. And this is only the six of us. Ask it for you. Yeah. There was the story that's the age old story that everybody seems to know now that, you know, I've seen was in an ankle monitor while he was, you know, on work. House arrest. Yeah. And he's raping girls. And so it's like, I just, you know, it's, it's exhausting. And I will say that like, so I've only been a part of this really openly since September. And I am exhausted based on just like, we've been at the House Oversight Committee. We did the Transparency Act.

19:18We've done all the pressers. We've done, you know, the Transparency Act moved through. It was such a joyous and momentous occasion where we're like, all survivors are behind us. It doesn't matter about partisanship. It's amazing to see community come together for something that's so horrific. And then it's like, of course, we all it doesn't get sworn in. Like the house shut down for however long. And it's like you're constantly beating. It's like this push stop, push stop. And it's like you're beating your head against the wall. And then we have the moment where all of my information is released. All of these other survivors, all these Jane does. All of our information is literally out there for the world to see. And you're like, wow, the DOG really, our government doesn't care. And so then you're wrestling with like, do they just not care? Is it incompetence? Is this like, you know, a cover up, a major cover up? And I didn't want to believe that it was a cover up. When I first got here, I was pretty naive and green about all of it. Where I was like, you know, there's just a disconnect. We need to help them connect the dots. And now it's like how like just the more we put out and the more we push,

20:20just this wall that we're like beating our head against. And so I don't know. I don't know what it's going to take, you know, I think... Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing. Victory Lane? Yeah. It's even better with Chamba by my side. Race to ChambaCasino.com. Let's Chamba. No purchase necessary. VTW Group. Voidware prohibited by law. CTNCs. 21 Plus. Sponsored by Chamba Casino. Hopefully just more some more bipartisan support. But we're asking you as a victim who has survived horrific acts at the hands of a monster. Yeah. And footnote, not even. And all the enablers that surround a Jeffrey. Yes. That you've talked about. I mean, you are a girl, a little girl who's going into this big mansion. And it's down like he's cleaning the toilets inside. I mean, like, you're all these people there. I mean, they all stood in silence. And so you, but we're putting the burden on you, Danny. Yeah. And I just find it to be so unfair that we're asking you to take the laboring

21:21or alongside your survivor sisters to be able to get this justice for yourself. I mean, we should be, you know, we should be the ones doing it. And we are trying so hard, but, you know, it really is heartbreaking to hear you say that this is just this combination of exhaustion and frustration. Is it really should be no brainer, right? Yeah. Well, and I think survivors are often looked at right now as like, you know, instead of the Department of Justice, it's like we have the Department of Survivors. It's like, well, why don't you guys say the names? Why don't you put it out there? And it's like, we are citizens of the United States. And we're trying to move through this legally like that. At the end of the day, we are trying to move through the justice system the way the justice system was meant to be moved there, right? And so I think that a lot of the time, you know, this idea, like recently, we were in an interview where, you know, and it's, it's happened multiple times. It happened at the house oversight, too, where it's like, raise your hand if this powerful person is implicated, raise your hand if that person is a powerful person. And it's like nobody in the right mind is going to sit there and raise their hand

22:21because we're up against so much. There are safety issues. There are defamation issues. And to your point, though, like we're only talking about the really like the cream of, the creme de la creme, powerful people, which of course is important. And we need those conversations. But also to your point, the inner workings, right? Yeah. Want to see, I don't really care about Hillary Clinton and her deposition. I, there is nothing that I can gain from that. What I want to see is Richard, you know, Conn and Darren Indek, who are the, oh, yeah. And that's coming up. That's coming up in a few weeks. Yep. But Leslie Graf, who is the assistant, that would be somebody who is far more interesting to me. She took my information down regularly. We had, you know, she would set up appointments for me to go in and massage Jeffrey and see Jeffrey. Like, what did she think was happening? And I was just one, one of, you know, wow. Now we're looking at 1200, like over 1000 girls that she has information and that, like, you know, Darren Indek and, and Richard Conn, like, they knew they knew the setup. They're the inner working.

23:21So I just think a lot of the time we're missing the point. And I think it like actually speaks to something greater that inner country right now, there's this real like desensitization that is happening. And they've noticed that like, we're always going to the most salacious thing, right? In the file. For like, I had, you know, somebody reached out to me the other day and it was like, did Jeffrey Epstein really eat like five year olds for breakfast? I'm like, no, I do not know. Um, not to my knowledge at least. I don't know. I wasn't around all the time. But like, can't we just all agree that like teen rape is enough, right? Like, can't we just agree that this is a horrible horrific thing? Why do we always have to sensationalize it? And then also, why is it on the survivors to constantly be the one driving and fueling? I don't know, you know, and it. I think at this point, our survivor sisterhood has become something incredibly strong. And I would never, ever like I was the shy kid at the back of the dance class who did not want to speak.

24:22And yet Virginia, Jew free and Maria farmer for me totally paved the way. I remember watching Virginia, Jew free speak and feeling like I saw myself in her. And I knew that I knew how tough and like the she just stood in strength. She knew she stood in power and she took out this horrific awful story and made it her own. That wasn't shameful anymore. And so I think I watched her and then I watched so many others and I met. Folks in September and standing with them really feels like there's this incredible responsibility to do it for each other and bond together. And I think with the transparency act something that was even more incredible was we felt not only that connection with each other, but from the rest of the survivor community. Survivors not just Epstein or Maxwell, but like survivors from, you know, family abuse in the 70s or 80s. I mean, I literally had somebody reach out to me from the 1950s. It was like, and she was like good barely, you know, use the computer, but she told me this story about her family.

25:24So it's just like we are, you know, I think that the momentum, it's, it's incredible. And so I do think that that is something that has been really unique and beautiful out of such a horrific situation. I always joke that like I hate the Jeffrey Epstein picked all of my favorite people, but like they are incredible people and they're all changing it. And so I just think, hopefully we can keep working together to create real change like Virginia's law. Well, look, I mean, I think that's a great way to ask you about how you feel looking at what's happening, for example, in the United Kingdom. I understand that former Prince Andrew and Peter Mandelson, for example, that they've been arrested and they're being prosecuted for a different crime. Yeah. But that being said, part of my optimism from that accountability maneuver that I'm saying from law enforcement and then also seeing, for example, in France, French authorities reopening investigations into Jean-Luc Brunel.

26:28I mean, when I see that happening, Danny, for you and the others, you know, I feel like these are opportunities specifically with Andrew and Mandelson for them to seem like canaries, frankly. I mean, for them to actually say, I'm going to cut a deal to save my own skin, but I am going to show you the value of my knowledge base and it may have nothing to do with sharing government secrets, confidential secrets. It may have everything to do with Epstein Maxwell and others. And again, me being a former prosecutor, I'd be interested in that, right? Like I wouldn't necessarily be interested in that. And so how do you feel about the fact that there has been this kind of warped speed move in Europe to kind of get closer to answers and transparency than we're having here in the United States? I think it's incredible. I mean, you need to keep the pressure on, I think, that, you know, yeah, I mean, Andrew's arrest is huge. My story doesn't have anything to do with Andrew specifically, however, he knows so much, right?

27:29And so I think that for a lot of survivors is the really, that's the heart of it where we're like, question him, get him in, talk to him about what he knows, like, what did he see, right? And so it does feel like the alternate route in, I think, something that's been amazing is we spoke with the special rapporteur from the United Nations. And they have actually named this a crime against humanity, the whole case of the Epstein case. And so, and we gave like statements just about what had happened to us. And so now it looks like they'll be investigating that further. But I think that there's this push from around the world and it really is echoing. So that feels incredible as a survivor, just to be seen and heard. But then it's like in your own country, you're in a place where bond is not even turning around to acknowledge your presence, right? So like, it's that double edged thing where it's like, the rest of the world can see it. Everybody can see it. Like, why are we not seeing that? It's like, what's going to be here?

28:29You know, so I do think that, you know, I am hoping that Andrew does the right thing. I'm hoping that Mendelssohn does the right thing where they do go in and they don't leave the fifth and they actually talk. I think the Clinton stuff position was interesting in that they actually did talk. They actually did, you know, they didn't sit there just say I clean the fit over and over and over, which we've seen so many times. I'm hopeful. And I think many of us are hopeful that somehow some way we will find more information that everyone has in their memories and start to connect these pieces and thoughts. Well, yeah, we also can't forget. Let's be, let's be very honest. We can't forget about Golan Maxwell. She hasn't said anything. And I don't know if she ever will, but Jesus, if there was anybody who could really help you guys, it would be her, but she's now distance and device right after she sat down with Todd Blanche and after she's been petitioning heavily for to get a claim and see and some type of pardon from Trump. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing, another checkered flag for the books time to celebrate with Jamba. Jump in at Jamba Casino dot com. Let's Jamba.

29:38No purchase necessary. BTW Group. Boy, we're prohibited by law CC and C21 plus sponsored by Jamba Casino. You know, Danny, I want to ask you something that has kind of nothing to do with Epstein. I want to ask you about your love of dance. I want to know, I want to know, like, I want to know what you're doing and how, how much has that helped you in your healing process because you did meet, you did meet Jeffrey Epstein when you were in a professional performing arts school with such dedication and devotion to a craft of dance. And it's been such a huge part of your life. And I know he's carried it with you even now at 39 and you're doing all these things. But what did it help you heal? Is it something that's also been challenging because it is something that you affiliate with something that happened that was horrific to you as well when you were so young. Totally. I love this question. Thank you, Brask. Yeah, I mean, so when I knew Jeffrey, when my abuse really ramped up, like one of the hardest days of my abuse.

30:38I hit this association really hard. So my I was already just sort of there every time abuse would happen, but there was one day in particular that it got horrific. And I just like my body and my mind would disconnect and it was sort of like I was like floating outside of my body. And I remember choreographing a lot in my head. It's like I do it still when I go to the dentist. It's like a weird thing. But like it's like whenever anything that's traumatic is happening to the body, that's where my brain has always gone to this place of just, you know, used to be a classical ballet, but it's worked a lot through the years. And after my abuse with Jeffrey, I would go into the dance studio and I couldn't move and I would stand there and look at myself and just sob. And I couldn't be in a leotard and tights. I couldn't be in anything that was really form fitting for a while. It's my body felt so violated by him. And so I decided to I quit everything.

31:39I decided to go into an acting school for a little while because I felt like, okay, well, that was at least close enough. And also like I was trained my whole life to be this, this ballerina, this dancer that was supposed to, you know, that was it. That was all I ever was ever presented to me. There was no like, hey, you're really good at like debate. We're like that it was there was none of that. And so I just felt really, really lost. And so I went to this acting school and through a couple years this acting school. There was a new school theater teacher there who was like, you know, you need to take, you need to go take dance classes, right? And he would like see me and I had to take ballet and modern and he was like, you know, choreography might be an interesting thing for you because it's storytelling and movement. You don't have to go back to dance in the capacity that you did before. But at least you can tell stories. And so he actually hired me to be the choreographer for like, you know, their musical. It was just spring awakening in them, the less. And so I started to choreograph spring awakening. And I really found I found when I didn't have to be in the spotlight, right?

32:43I was not for me to dance it. I was never going to be on stage with it, but the process of it got me back into feeling like the creativity connection of body and mind. And so from there, I've been really interested in movement therapy. And I also like, you know, I was so classically trained that now I've moved into this more like contemporary rolling on the floor like all this stuff that just feels more expressive. And I think through real like exploration on my own, I, you know, I was able to come back to dance in a very different way. And then I became a dance educator where I was working at two different private schools, preparatory schools in Manhattan and just the kids and the students really like brief life back into me because that age range is the exact age range that I was when I was at Jeffries. So if I could be the person that I wanted, you know, that I didn't have, I think that that's, that's the most important thing moving forward. So yeah, I mean, dance now like I work for Disney theatrical group and I'm a teaching artist with them. And so, you know, dance saves my life consistently. I think I've worked through.

33:50I didn't even realize I was doing it. All these pieces about trauma are all these pieces. There is a piece in this shirt that I did years ago who was all about like being enough and feeling like you're enough. And I just, I know why I felt so connected to it. I had done it for like, you know, with a couple of different groups of students and they had to write on a cue card, something that they loved about themselves and something that they didn't really like about themselves. And they put in a pile, they mixed it up and they each drew a card so they didn't know who's card they were reading. And we recorded their voices, reading the thing that they love and the thing that they, they didn't really like about themselves. And everybody's like sobbing by the end of it. And then we put it back to it. So those are the pieces that like that's the healing, right. And everybody's healing looks really different. But I think the arts are just an incredible place to find yourself after you've been so broken. I mean, I'm grateful that you didn't leave it. I'm grateful you didn't leave it behind. I'm grateful that you didn't just associate that with something so tragic that it didn't give you this outlet that you obviously needed to be able to continue to heal.

34:57Because as you say, the healing process is on a daily basis, right. It's just, it's a constantly evolving thing for you. Yeah. Danny Benski, I don't even have the words to express how important this conversation has been for me to have with you. It is, I started this conversation by saying it's a privilege. It truly is because we do, even with our best intentions, people like me as a journalist. We are asking a lot of you to have to tell the story again and again. I mean, I do have an empathy for what is happening. And so I am grateful that you have this willingness to do it. As you and I say goodbye. And we part ways, though, I am asking everybody who's tuning in and watching to continue to watch just a little bit longer. Because I am going to end our episode with people being able to watch world without exploitation. The Epstein Survivor PSA that you guys did around the Super Bowl. You were a part of that. It's incredibly powerful.

35:58And I urge everybody who's tuning in right now to just stick around a little bit longer. But Danny Benski, thank you for being here. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. Thank you for highlighting this journey. You know, we just all of our survivorship. Like we're all in this together. Anybody that's been a survivor of abuse, you know, please know that we're in this with you. Thank you so much. I suffered so much pain so much pain so much pain. I suffered so much pain. I was 14 years old. I was 16 years old. I was 16. I was 17. I was 14 years old. This is me. This was me. This was me. When I met Jeffrey Epstein. This is me. When I met Jeffrey Epstein. There are about a thousand of us.

37:07It's time to bring the secrets out of the shadows. It's time to shine a light into the darkness. Katie Fang here. We launched the Katie Fang news channel in partnership with the Midas Touch Network. So we could bring you the latest and legal and political news straight, no chaser. So if you're a fellow truth teller, hit that subscribe button and share the word about this channel. So we can build a high information America together. Imagine being stranded in the middle east with your family after convicted fell on Donald Trump launched a war against Iran on Saturday. With no contingency plan in place to be able to assist you to get out of the region, no heads up given, no warning, no advance notice, no plan at all. And now you are scrambling to leave. Well, I've got some bad news for you.

38:10Not only are you getting conflicting advice about sheltering a place, but also trying to find a way out on your own, on your own, being the operative phrase. But if you're a far right MAGA or a influencer or I guess a dog walker, you can get out with the help of the White House and with the help of MAGA Republicans. I shit you not. Here is the latest headline. We have a White House helping MAGA influencers escape the Middle East on a private jet while more than a million ordinary Americans are still trapped with no way out. From the horse's mouth, Trump advisor and political consultant Alex Bruceowitz posting on X the following. Let's go to it now. Let's show it to you so you can see it. It's a long one, but worth the read Alex Bruceowitz was traveling through the Middle East as the Iranian attacks erupted. Let's correct him now. It was the United States in Israel that I was attacking Iran on Saturday.

39:13Leaving Alex stranded amid the chaos. He shows video on X of allegedly Iranian missiles flying directly over his head. He expressed his deepest gratitude to the Cotari prime minister and his administration for their exceptional assistance and unwavering commitment to his safety during his time in Doha providing him with unparalleled care. He was also impressed by the effectiveness of the Patriot missile interceptor system. Lovely. A heartfelt thank you to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for their top tier security provided to Alex Bruceowitz while he was there and ensuring that other Americans and he could safely board their flight to depart the Gulf. Amazing collaboration between the Cotaris and the Saudis right now. Most importantly, Alex wanted to thank the White House deputy chief of staff James Blair, Congresswoman, Anna Pullina Luna and other US government officials who helped me.

40:18Also a special thank you to the US ambassador to Greece, Kimberly Gilfoyle and her great staff on the ground for ensuring that Alex's flight with the other Maga people was able to successfully land an Athens on such short notice must be nice. Must be nice because other people not having that kind of luck. Let's get you caught up with the latest. Because when you hear how outrageous it is, you'll understand how it's even more outrageous that this guy was able to get out with the help of the White House. But again, only because he has Maga and he is favored. And what would we do? We do ship for our friends when they are Maga, but to hell with the other million plus Americans that are now stranded in the region. We have at least three embassies in the Middle East that have been shuttered as of Tuesday as violence is escalating and United States citizens were left with limited to no means to escape the region. The US government is allegedly working to charter flights for American citizens in the U of Arab United Arab Emirates Saudi Arabia and Jordan and trying to help people stranded in other places book tickets on commercial flights.

41:24Secretary state marker Rubio. He's wearing his secretary of state hat right now because he works like 14 jobs. He said almost 1600 Americans are seeking help to leave the region. They may do military flight options, but let's look at what the secretary of state had his department do the other day. Let's go back to X. Let's give this ready. Check this out. Assistant Secretary Mora Namdar posts the following on X because how helpful is it to put it on the cesspool of X? It's not post this on March 2nd, 2026, the week in Monday, 449 PM. Secretary Rubio and the State Department urges Americans to depart now all caps people from the countries below using available commercial transportation due to serious safety risks. Americans who need State Department assistance are raging to depart via commercial means call us 24 seven at the following telephone number from abroad and then they give another 888 number in roll in roll. Now this is important. The State Department wants you to find internet connection to be able to register your presence with the State Department in the Middle East because they want to know where you are because you know that would have been a fucking plan before you started bombing countries.

42:40Over there in roll at this URL to get the latest security updates from the nearest US Embassy or consulate now check this out right. This is as of March 2nd for PM Eastern and they're telling the following they're telling Americans to depart from the following countries. And you see them all listed right you see Egypt around Iraq Israel Jordan Kuwait, Qatar Saudi Arabia Syria UAE yet I mean there's a lot of countries there in fact I think there's 14 countries there right. Okay. Now the reason why that's important is the following. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing another checkered flag for the books time to celebrate with Chamba jump in at chamba casino dot com. Let's chamba no purchase necessary BTW group boy were prohibited by law CC and C21 plus sponsored by chamba casino listen to what you get when you actually call to get help. Take a listen this is actually provided to Congressman Seth molten from one of his constituents when you dial this number.

43:40If you are calling about the crisis in the Middle East please press one if not press two please do not rely on the US government for assisted departure or evacuation at this time. There are currently no United States evacuation point please continue to check the embassies website for updated information in the event of ongoing military action. Americans should shelter in place until it is safe to move about freely. I mean I'm trying to be obtuse but that doesn't sound very helpful to me. I mean if I am trying to get the hell out of there this isn't help me the recorded information is not helpful. Congressman Ted Liu responding to Marco Rubio on social asking him why did the State Department advise US citizens in the Middle East to register before the strikes began on Saturday. Congressman Liu saying it's a quote massive dereliction of duty and an unacceptable lack of planning I agree Ted it is when asked when you know what Donald Trump had to say about the stranded Americans quote well because it happened all very quickly there wasn't an evacuation plan.

44:48I thought we were going to have a situation where we were going to be attacked the president added without offering any evidence that Iran was seeking to strike the US ahead of the US assault which began Saturday and this is a quote from the Washington post now. We have no evacuation flights as of Tuesday morning to leave the region and right now the planning by the State Department really is only in and around certain countries. It doesn't include all of the countries that I just showed you that reposted on X by the assistant secretary of state right now US embassies in Kuwait Lebanon and Saudi Arabia were closed as of Tuesday US citizens were told don't come to the US embassies for help. The embassy in Riyadh hit multiple times by drone attacks the main building and Riyadh contaminated with smoke with part of its roof collapsed a drone hit a CIA station at the embassy in Riyadh. The Beirut compound was closed because of ongoing regional tensions quote unquote in Kuwait city warehouses were set ablaze I mean come on.

45:54This is some dangerous shit for Americans and once again the failure of planning and to have something something for our Americans are going to lead to a serious risk and danger of loss of life and harm to our Americans that are in this region some of them have been working for this country. Overseas the US consulate in Dubai has been specifically targeted and part of the reason why the State Department has told Americans that they should depart now and all caps is because the embassies and the diplomatic facilities are specifically being targeted and are under attack. In addition Iranian forces are targeting tourist sites like hotels and airports so here's what's crazy the State Department is telling US citizens to use commercial flights but the airports are shut down. So how are US citizens supposed to use commercial flights and guess what wide scale airspace closures are also happening. This is all going on while Iranian missiles and drones are attacking Kuwait cutter Israel the United Arab Emirates and other locations.

47:00For example Mike Huckabee our US ambassador Israel is saying look the Bengurian airport in Tel Aviv is closed we don't know when it's going to reopen but you know what you can do US citizens. You can get on a freaking tourist bus and you can ride that thing from Israel to Egypt and then you can get a flight from Egypt because you really shouldn't go through Jordan it's ill advised. The US Embassy you know the crown jewel for the Trump administration the US Embassy saying it's not in a position at this time to evacuate or directly assist Americans in departing Israel which is one of I think the countries that is in main conflict and a risk with Iran. Instead of giving help instead of helping Americans get to safety do you want to know what US ambassador Mike Huckabee did he sent an email in a memo excuse me to embassy staff it was sent to US diplomats local staff and family members.

48:06It was reviewed by the Washington Post and Huckabee joked about procreating about having sex folks during your downtime while sheltering in place. Saying the extended time with your spouse if it results in the birth of your next child in about nine months I of course expect that you will want to name the little bugger after me. Are you fucking kidding me like you think this is the time to joke around. Of course because Huckabee isn't at risk right there's nothing going to happen to that guy but if you're just you know an American who happens to be over there. You shit out of luck they're not helping you typical this Trump administration doesn't care about you doesn't care about you here not quite sure how us doing what we're doing in Iran is I don't know lower in the cost of groceries. Is it helping you get your affordable care act tax subsidies back no. But it's stranding you there with your family God forbid.

49:09At least eight countries have completely closed their air space including Kuwait Bayran. Cutter in Israel which is one of the countries one of those 14 countries where the state departments telling you to depart now on a commercial flight that's not available in closed air space from closed airport. On Saturday the State Department convened quote a task force to assist American citizens and support diplomatic efforts. While urging news organizations and meeting networks to share phone numbers and websites that the US citizens can use to let them know where you are I've already played you. The outgoing message it's an automated recording that you get when you call it's not helpful. Marco Rubio urging us to register ourselves again why have us do it now why not do it before. Let's talk about the people that did get saved. Because I don't want to let that shit go. We talked about Alex Brucewitz you went on a little bit more about Alex Brucewitz.

50:13Alex Brucewitz has been in the Trump orbit since 20 freaking 14 2015. This guy is old school maga with Trump. After Trump won in 2016 Brucewitz founded X strategies. Brucewitz was an organizer of stop the steel. January 6, 2021 insurrection. He reportedly pleaded the fifth amendment when he was summoned by the House Select Committee investigating January six insurrection. Investigators for the committee finding out that Brucewitz had messaged Arizona Congressman Paul Gosar another fucking gem of a man. On the morning of January 6, 2021 asking if Gosar had quote coordinated with the other members of the freedom caucus to which Gosar said I did. So it's also offered to financially assist the legal bills for the criminal defense of insurrectionists that were prosecuted by the government. Brucewitz has provided political consulting to Florida congresswoman Anna Polina Luna and Florida congressman Cory Mills as well as Trump's pack save America.

51:14Let's take a hot second to talk about Cory Mills because Cory Mills and Anna Polina Luna special people that they are. Cory Mills according to notice reporting has been accused multiple times of obtaining a bronze star through stolen valor before running for congress mill started an international arms distribution company, which is now under foreclosure by the way he's going bankrupt. I got a restraining order in October of 2025 why because in early 2025 DC police responded to an 911 call reporting an assault at Mills's apartment in DC Mills is married by the way let's just start with that. Police responded Mills is a girlfriend Sarah Raviani 27 years old said that he shoved her and pushed her out the door Raviani did you know that she's the co founder of Trump's Iranians for Trump. She made the allegation later retracted it but then Lindsey Langston the girlfriend that Mills was sharing a Florida home with dude is busy after that 911 call surface she ended their relationship Mills went on to send multiple threatening messages to Langston so he got a restraining order.

52:21And Anna Polina Luna who's been directly identified by Bruce what's on having assisted him to get on that private jet to fly out of the Middle East. She the other day said that we're not at war with Iran why because there's no boots on the ground there strategic tar strikes are not war. Someone give this lady an education. Bruce what's using these connections as I mentioned before as well as the White House deputy chief of staff. This Congresswoman Anna Polina Luna and then Kimberly Gilfoyle who he has been good friends with through dawn junior. Let me tell you something. The daily mail for what it's worth is relying upon reporting from Politico etc the daily mail saying the following that Bruce Witts is quote staying in the region to help coordinate other private evacuations. I will tell you right now that guy's not going to be helping just anybody get out of the Middle East. I actually don't have a problem with people calling in favors for help especially when they're in dire situations.

53:24I really don't take average with this but I do think it's a big tell though that the Trump administration is ignoring the needs of just regular everyday American citizens that are now stranded because of a problem that was created by Trump and the administration. It was reasonably foreseeable that this was going to happen and the Trump administration is basically giving the big middle finger to the quote average American is over there. But if you're a maga far and influencer political consultant who helped you try to steal the election results from 2020. Right because that's what it was right because the election results were clearly a Biden win. But Trump didn't want that he wanted to steal the election from whom from Biden right. If you're this, if you have this favorite child status in Trump Mogul world, the White House deputy chief of staff is going to help you. That is the message and that is the hypocrisy and that is the bullshit. That is this administration be mad be out raised to me and accountability folks look if we can help let's help our fellow Americans get the hell out of there to help them get out of a dangerous situation that is lethal for them and their families because of what Trump started.

54:33And Trump has no plan as usual. Trump has no strategy as usual. Trump has just done whatever the fuck he wants to do and to hell with the consequences. It's March 4th, 2026. Let's go rally some cages folks. Katie Fang here. We launched the Katie Fang news channel in partnership with the Midas Touch Network. So we could bring you the latest and legal and political news straight no chaser. So if you're a fellow truth teller hit that subscribe button and share the word about this channel so we can build a high information America together.