Jinn and Jadoo

0:00Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. Welcome to RadioIslam International. Today we are honored in our podcast studio. We've got Sheikh Hassan Ali, who is no stranger to RadioIslam International. He is from the UK and the founder of Suffer Publications. Sheikh Hassan Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. Today we're going to pick your brain on a very important subject and there is gin and jadoor. We'll get straight into the topic. On one side, you have a group of people that don't believe in it at all and downplay it. And then you get others who give too much importance to it. Where do we find the right balance and how do we view this as a community? So you're right about the people either denying it or either going too extreme in one direction. The people who deny it, they haven't had an experience in it. They haven't seen actual exorcism. They haven't even exorcism. I mean, you get all these videos and things. But you don't know to believe because people can act it. Today, you can AI generate videos.

1:03OK, I understand that. But when you have a family member or a friend and you've known them for your life, and then suddenly you see a switch in them. And you also go to the doctors and you go to get them medically checked. And the doctors can't find anything. But they've got symptoms that are crazy symptoms. They switch. And then you only switch a certain times. And then you start seeing, when I say, switch, I mean, the voice changes, the character changes, even the language sometimes changes. There are totally different new language that is being spoken. And then certain things that are said which the person should have known. But then there's information that this person is giving about other people in the audience that are there. And all sorts of things, right? So we're not just putting it down to that. But what happens is this person, then when you read certain ayats and things and so on,

2:04and then you see the reaction of that individual who's possessed, then you witness your friend coming back to normal again, or your family member coming back to normal again. And you've known them for your life. Or you've known them for some good time. And they only switch. There are certain times like Maghreb or certain times when they go to certain places or whatever, right? And it's always the same sort of pattern. And then after that, when the rukia and things is finished and they're cured, then you never see that again from those people, right? So it's not a, if it was a medical condition of schizophrenia, a medical condition of double personalities, then it should be a long term thing, right? It shouldn't be a thing that you can just sort out. I'll give you another one. And I wouldn't recommend anyone of your views to do this, because you need to have some kind of, you know, people who are in this thing of doing rukia and so on, they need to really protect themselves, like layers of protection, right? So I wouldn't encourage anyone to do that. But anyway, I'll give you one.

3:08How would you explain this? There's a person who you go behind their back. They don't know that you're even there. Oh, they know maybe you're just there, but they don't know what you're doing. And you start suddenly reciting certain verses. And then certain verses you recite. There's an immediate reaction from this person, you know? Yes. Immediately like they're feeling like they're feeling twitchy or they're getting a shoulder pain or they're getting a headache or they're suddenly, and then you stop reading. And the pain goes away. Wow. And you start reading again, particular verses. I want to say a particular verse, some of these are specifically for the Jinja that you're talking about, right? And then they have a feeling, you know? The same feeling comes in and you stop. And they don't even know that you're there reciting. Now that's a real test. Because if you did it in front of them, they know you're reading. They could probably actate or they could probably, you know, why would they have those feelings when you read those ayats right behind their back or something and they're not aware of it?

4:08There's something that's beyond the norm, right? So that's one thing. And then there's a whole science in this man. If people don't believe in this, I can understand them. It's like a lot of people don't believe in the karamat of the awliya. The awliya, we know who the awliya, they're very close people to Allah's will, and they have karamat. They have things that, you know, things that happen in the world which we would call like abnormal, things that break the norm, right? Now in our books of Aqeed, it's very, very clear. We believe in the karamat of the awliya, but you go to any normal person out there. Most of these people on YouTube, they've never been experienced to this kind of stuff. They'll deny the whole thing. Nah, man, you can't do that. If a human can't possibly do that. But we believe in the karamat of the awliya. Like, you know, they have been awliya, they've done things that are like, strongly that would blow your entire mind. We've got certain ones in Bangladesh. I've met them, I've been with them, I've seen the karamat in front of my eyes, right?

5:08Like if you've got experience of this, of these people or the process, then you can't be a denier. So that's one thing. The other extreme is, when you've got what you've said is that everything is jnjadu, everything is jnjadu, right? It's a mental problem, right? So this normally comes from our Indo-Pak mentality. Right. So in our Indo-Pak mentality, you know, they go straight, if they can't find a clear, reasonable, or an explanation, an easy one, or an easy one to stop whatever's going on, and they say, oh, he, they must be attacked by a jn, oh, he's someone done some seher, or some black magic on him, some jadu, oh, he's got the evil eye, right? And a lot of these people, why they say, it's part of them say, because they've got shame that's coming down their family, because of the way this person is acting. So to cover that, a screen cover, they say jnjadu, some of them do that. Another one is that they would rather say that because it's like saying that, you shift the blame from the person, right?

6:10So they use this, jnjadu said to shift the blame. So he's been possessed, because he's been possessed, oh, you can't blame any of us. So it's more to shift the blame, right? Now, there are real cases of jnjadu, but I don't like it when people just straight away don't, and some of them are just automatically, oh, they must be, it must be that. It must be that, why? Because in our communities, we've got people who do that, and there are people who will actually, horrible people who will actually go out the way and they will actually perform their horrible people out there. But it's not that rife, and it's not like every other person is possessed because there's a problem with them, something they've done, right? Now, the best way I tell people is, look, you cannot ignore the medical side. So anyone who's got, look, the person who does Rukia, by the way, I don't want anyone to contact me for Rukia, I don't do Rukia straight up. I need to say this, because I gave this video about, I'm not 20 something years ago, almost 20 years ago, and then I'm getting a lot of messages, oh, Shaykh, I've got this problem in my house, oh, what is this, in my house, can you do that?

7:11And I've got my team writing to them every other week, right? I don't do Rukia, right? I will only do Rukia for myself, and someone who's my immediate family, I'll do Rukia without nobody else, I've not done for anybody else. But the thing is, what people need to understand is, there's a medical side, but then there's also the good rock is that I've got ways to know if this is medical or not, right? So, I know methods from certain Rockies, and if you use that method straight away, you know if this person is possessed or not possessed. There are specific Iats and things that you recite, and then you'll see the reactions straight away, right? I've been with these scholars, and I've seen, there's specifically, from the Quran, you said the verses you recite, and you see the reaction. So that's the number one. So they sometimes can say that, you know, this person most likely has got something wrong with them, from a gene or a jadu, some kind of thing, right? However, most people do need to check with the medical side.

8:14Why? Because sometimes there are certain symptoms that look like a gene, jadu symptom, but it's actually a mental health problem. We agree. No, there are many mental health problems that are similar to when a person is possessed, right? So there are some of those, sort of not many, but some of those, and there are actually people who are, you know, they're actually, problem might be depression. Their problem might be something, the problem sometimes is abuse. They've been abused by someone, and then that's created trauma in the brain, and because of the trauma in later years, they're acting abnormal from everybody else, and their problem is the trauma. So they need psychological treatment, right? They need to go and see a psychologist or a psychiatrist. There are, you know, certain things that you will find that you will get, is it like an idea? Is it this one? Is that one? But you do need to check both fields. Because sometimes it's a mineral of vitamin deficiency. Yes. You know, people have got something wrong with the body, and they're reacting in a certain way,

9:15and they put it down to some gene jadus. It's wrong, man. You know, you should check all your, you know, your vitamins, your minerals, it is, are you healthy? And only professionals in that area can tell you, they can do a diagnosis of you, and find out if you're okay or not. And it's not sometimes just physical, it could be mental as well, like I said. But the other side of it is that proper ruckus will be able to analyze you, but then there's another big problem, which is, ah, where do I start, man? You got me opened up in the car, I was there, right? With a profession like this, of Rukia, it's a quick way of making a lot of money. Yes, and you can cheat a lot of people. And unfortunately, there are people out there who are like I cheated. We're talking about hundreds and thousands of pounds. Yeah, right? And even after that, they're not cured of their symptoms. Because the guy who's doing it is doing it for the money, he's not doing it for the real, you know, reasons of it. And now, for the views out there,

10:17what's important for them to know is that if you go back to the Sunnah or the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, then if you actually look right, the Sahaba were not people who became, like some of them became raqis, right? You don't see this, you don't hear, you hear like Abu Hurayra, I was a Muhaddith, Abna Abbas was a Mufassal, Aisha, I was a Fakihah, so on so on, you know, Khalid, you were a leader, Mujahid, I was a leader, you know, you hear this, right? You're a Mujahid, you're a Muhaddith, you're a leader. But you don't hear raqis, right? So now, what I want to tell the views is, what the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam gave every Sahabi is a set of your own personal Rukia. So now, you've got to look at it like this, when we're living in the modern day age, right? Even any age, I mean, if you live any age, there's a certain precautions you take to be fit and healthy. Number one is, you're going to have appropriate closing for going out for the weather that's outside there.

11:19If it's hot, okay, you could wear something simple, but if it's cold, you have to put a few layers on or something, you know, you're not going to go with the slippers and sandals right out there when it's snowing, all right? So you take your precaution, that's number one. Second thing is, you've got to normal things that you're healthy diet that you have, right? You know, a bit of meat, bit of this, bit of, you know, bit of vegetable, bit of this, bit of that, whatever it is, a healthy, you know, a dieting that gives you all the vitamins, minerals, this and that, you know, calories, whatever you need for your body, right? Then on top of that, you're going to, I'm not, I'm not asking people to straightaway take medicine, but what people will do is they will, they will actually have a bit of fitness exercise, whatever, a normal fitness in life, which again, looks after your body. Then if you become slightly ill, slightly, you've got a bit of a runny nose, you've got a bit of a sore throat. Now what do you do? Okay, you can get your lemons, you can get gingers out, you can make your ginger tea, your lemon tea, your honey, whatever, or you can go to the pharmacy

12:19and get something, right? People do that now. You're at the pharmacy level. You're at the homemade lemon ginger sort of level. I'm saying both because I know there's two camps out there, right? I'm only saying, you know, go for the pharmacy. So you've got the both sides. Then if you get more serious, so let's say now I'm weighed down in my house, I've got temperature, and I'm done. Okay, this is still normal, right? You can take normal medications from the pharmacy to get better, but if you get worse, let's say you've got pneumonia now. Yes. Now if you've got pneumonia, you can't stay home. Yes. You have to go and get admitted to a hospital. And then they're going to put you in a drip or they're going to give you now something extra, right? Something that you wouldn't be able to get from the pharmacy. They're going to put you maybe, you know, for something on antibiotics, whatever they take you on, right? But it's not getting serious, right? Now if you get very serious, like someone's got cancer, right? Then it's chemotherapy, something seriously, like you need something really heavy, like chemotherapy, to kill those cells in your body, right? And then if it's very, very, very serious, then it's amputation of the body, or it's death, right? Now let's look at the same way from this point of view

13:22of Jinnjadu, right? Rasulullah also gave a set of things for you, Rukia. Yes. He gave you the normal one, which is like, you know what I said, by your clothes, your thing, you know, you're going out there, propiteness, these are your three cools in the morning. These are your three cools in the evening, after Fajr, after Makhrib. These are the Saba, the As-Kar in the morning, As-Kar in the evening. These are the As-Kar before you go to bed. There's always the idol could see somewhere. Then you find the three cools there. Then you find other Ayats, or the Ahad. Other Ahad is like, the Bismillahirrahmanirrahim, the Ruhmah, Smeen, Sheikh Umf-ul Adiwala, the Sama'ih, the Sama'ih, you know, three times nothing gonna affect you, right? Or you recite, you know, Allah's gonna be enough for you by saying, Rasulullah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah will look after you, Fajr, say that seven times in the morning, seven times in the evening. There are so many different Ahadith, right? That you put yourself in the protection of Allah, Azawjal, right? That you're asking Allah, you know, Asba Hna wa Asba Hallamul Qulillahi Lallahi Lallahi Lallahi Lallahi and then you say to Allah, Azawjal, you say, Rabiya Salguah, khaira maafiya,

14:23that you're asking for the best of this day, the best of this day, after this day, now look at the, the, the Hadith of Aafiya. Morning and evening again. Allahumma iniyya salku al-Aafiya. Allahumma ask me for relief. Allahumma iniyya salku al-Aafiya. If you didn't, if you didn't, if you didn't, you would dunya ya wa ahli wa mali, right? Allahumma ask you for, for your forgiveness and for, for relief in all these things in my world, if I was in my Aakhira, in my, in my family, in my, in my wealth. And then Allahumma askhawdani min bayni ya dayya. AwAllah protect me from infatami, wa min khalfi from behind me. Wa ayyami ni from my right. Wa inshimali from my left. Wa wa min foki from above me. Wa a'o zubi ka an'o utala min tahti. All right? I seek your protection from me, being taken from beneath, right? From, by surprise. Now all these things you're saying as a protection, these are your normal remedies for protection, right? Now after that, if something happens, now you get to the pharmacy level, right?

15:23So the pharmacy level is that, okay, now, I've done the, I've done the Sabah Masa, I'm doing my Qura'an, daily Qura'an, that's also another one, which gives you automatic protection, right? So now you have to up the game, which is that you have to read extra Qura'an a bit, there's something I'm feeling a bit awkward. Oh, now you go to specific ayats, right? So now it's like, we go to this pharmacy for specific things, I want this, oh, you make lemon ginger at home right now, you're doing something specific for your body. So now if something happens to me, okay, right? For, for evil eye, well, I might have said, so these are from Mujar Rabat. Now, Mujar Rabat is where they've tested and trialed it out over and over again, because the Qura'an came to us, he says, shifa'u wa rahmatullu minin. This Qura'an is a shifa, it's a cure for you, and it's a mercy for the believers, right? The Qura'an says that, right? It's a shifa for you. Now, once a Qura'an has a shifa for you, he's not gonna tell you all the ayats who read, the Qura'an are gonna tell you read these reads, the Prophet's also not saying, read these, try these reads, he gave a few, but he left it to us to discover.

16:24Mujar Rabat. So Olamah have discovered this, scholars have discovered it, people do in Rukia, discovered this over, and I'm saying, you know, I'm giving a challenge, I did a challenge to all the views, because some of them are not hearing this, you're gonna say, shah toka bidah, bidah, bidah, like that. Mr. Bidah, and Mr. Bidah, and please bidah, I'll let me tell you one thing, right? I've seen raki's from the Indian world and from the Arab world. Yes. I've sat with both of them. Right. I've watched them doing the Rukia with the ayats, I use. Then I've traced it back to the Ahadis of the Prophet Allah. So what did Rasulullah's asam say, which ayats you use for your protection? Right. And this raki's using some ayats and I've compared it. And you will find 100%, well, Allah, I'm telling you this, that the ayats that Rasulullah's asam cave is limited. Yes. If you are, you can find all the Ahadis look at, use this ayat from raki, Surah Bakrah, you know, I'm in a Rasulullah, the last two ayats, Surah Bakrah, the first five ayats of Surah Bakrah, these are in Ahadis, right? And use this other ayat and this other ayat.

17:24Okay, fine, you're gonna find that Ahadis, right? But when I listen to the Arab rakis, I'm talking about proper, you know, the ones that are Quran, Surah Akhi, Quran Surah. I'm talking about them. When they use the ayats, they're using a whole range of ayats. Yes. And don't find those ayats to use for Rukhya in Ahadis, the Prophet of Allah, the Holy Prophet. I have abandoned them. And they know this, I know this. And I've had conversations. And you know what it is? This is from Mujarrabat. Mujarrabat. This is from the experience, from our 13, 1400s of years of Olamah, they've experiences, and we know that this ayah works for this. So now for the Mujarrabat, I'm gonna say to you, if you feel a bit funny, then the one I use a lot of times is the last two ayats of Surah Kalam, right? For Rukhya of evil eye. Okay. Yes, so there's a number of times you can read. You can just read as many times, oh, you could read after 41 times, reading a 41 times, blowing in water, blowing in your hands, passing over your body. It's a very, very strong one to remove the evil eye

18:25from yourself. And then there's all these other ayats from the Mujarrabat again. So now I'm on the pharmacy level. So you basically, now you could, you know, what the Prophet of Allah taught the Sahaba, is that okay, you know, you basically now, now you need to add on. Now where did this hadith come from? Because a Sahaba is having trouble sleeping, or he is having nightmares, or whatever, right? So the Prophet of Allah is giving a hadith, okay, before you go to sleep, whoever recites, the last two ayats of Surah Bakarah. And, you know, you know, Rukhya and yourself, and you recite those kaffatahu, kaffatahu, the hadith says, it will be enough for you. It will protect you. So that's another layer of protection. But if something wrong with you more, you need something extra. And there's other hadith. Do these, read these, right? So now from the Mujarrabat, we've got the Olemah over the 13, 1400 years of our good history. They have found so many ayats that you can read this. Now you add on your layers of protection, because you're now getting more illiterate by, I said to you, okay, the pharmacy level, then you go to the home, then you got the pneumonia,

19:27or you got something serious. So now you go to admit to hospital. Now, when you get to the hospital level, this is now where it's like, okay, I'm doing my own Rukhya, I'm doing it myself. But now I need to go to another individual to get Rukhya done on me. This is when you go to the doctor. So now you go to the Raki. Now when you go to the doctor, you don't go to any doctor. Now I know, I'm telling you, I'm in South Africa, you got a lot of dodgy doctors, right? You got, we watched them on YouTube and so on and so on. They say, I will heal you. I will heal you. Sure, right? So it's equivalent of your chuf chufs, right? So you got these Christians, right? And others who have these churches where they're doing some guys that's coming out from a coffee and they're walking away from a wheelchair and all these, ah, come on, man. We know, you know, when you got something serious wrong with you, you're gonna go to them? No, you're not. So the same way you got doctors that are trying to all seemingly doctors, right? I'm ripping people off there, right? With all these kind of chuf chufs and whatever, right? The same way you got in this field as well.

20:28Yes. In the spiritual field. You got certain Raki's that are ripping you off? So you better know who you're going to. Now, if you go to the right one, then why am I going to another individual and let me explain this? Because you can, look, literally look, you can do Rukiya yourself. You can take it to the high sex end. But what you're gonna need for that and a lot of people don't understand this is you need a level of Hamal, of practice of the Quran for your Rukiya to be very powerful. The more level of your own Hamal on the Quran, on your own practice of the Quran in your life, in my own life, the more I have of that, the stronger Rukiya is. So let's say, for example, you've got one person here who's semi-practicing of Islam and another one who's almost not practicing and there's one here who is very practiced, like highly practicing Islam. They're all three of them recite the same verse. The one on the left is gonna have to recite the same verse maybe 200 times to see an effect. Or maybe 500 times or a thousand times.

21:29The one in the middle will have to recite it maybe a hundred times. Maybe 50 something times. The one who's very practicing will recite to once. Dinsan, they come down to this. So now, depending on the Raqq, he should be someone who's got his Hamal, he's got his practice on it. Now, if you yourself get your level of practice to a high level, your Rukiya will be enough. That's where the Sahaba will be. You get it? That's why we don't have a lot of these jeans and things amongst the Sahaba because they were practicing the Quran and anything that was coming towards them, man, it's not getting into them. It's not coming near them because of their level of practice of the Quran. So when they recite it once, when they recite it a couple of times, three times, it's enough. It's your Rukiya is done first. You're protected, right? So now what happens is, when you get to that level, let's talk about common people, right? So they go to Raqq, right? Why is he performing another Rukiya? It depends, right? How serious your problem is? How long has it been there? What kind of problem you've got? If you've got a simple pneumonia or something like that,

22:29okay, maybe two weeks, three weeks, four weeks in the hospital, they'll send you home. If you become something cancerous, they're gonna need to take you through chemotherapy, which is gonna take probably months. I'm probably gonna lose your hair and you're gonna get weak and frail, whatever. But there's chances of you, depending if it's cancer one, cancer two, cancer three, cancer four, right? So, you know, they're gonna assess that, right? The same way, look, some people come to a Ruki, they've had the problem for 18 years. Yeah. And now they're turning up to a Ruki. Man, you've had this problem for 18 years, you've allowed a lot of, you know, you've allowed the roots of this problem to settle in your body. Another guy comes in, he's only had this problem for 18 days or 18 months. So, he's gonna be different, Nissan. And it also depends on the level of, you know, the level of whoever's the, whatever it is, or the strength of it, like what I'm saying right now about the, whether it's pneumonia, cancer, whatever it is, there's different levels of what their problem is, what the symptoms are. And depending on that, then they have to use a stronger Rukia. So, now when I say a stronger Rukia,

23:30sometimes some of these patients are gonna need like, you know, weekly, sometimes daily, sometimes, you know, for months and months, they're gonna have to read on them, read on them, give them, you know, certain waters that they've read on, where they drink, or whatever, you know, or they've just screwed straight on Rukia on themselves. Now, it goes on, right? It goes on, depending on how long they kind of need it. But I know I've said a lot of stuff under your one small sort of question, but the thing is, look, there are two sides to this, right? I've seen patients and certain people where I've, like, I've been with Rukia, and the Rukia has told me, we've cured his gene problem, but he's still left with a psychological problem. Wow. So, sometimes people have two. That's a very insightful one. Yeah. So, you can cure them from whatever gene was there, that was a side thing that's gone. Well, this person has got a psychological problem. He developed it. So, he developed it, so they've got it. So, I tell another one, right? That's crazy stuff, man.

24:34Sometimes a guy folds in love. Yeah. And he's crazy for a girl, and everyone's saying, oh, gene, ja, do this, or someone else has done something, and then you look into it. Or the mother-in-law. Yeah, yeah, you look into it, right? And then, look, sometimes there's no gene, ja, do nothing. He's just pure love. And the families don't want to give this guy to this girl, or give the girl to the guy, and then, you know, and then the other one, you just picked up, which is, you got, you do a problem with your wife, and your mother-in-law is doing something behind you, like, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, I don't call them mother-in-laws, I call them mother-in-clothes. They're mother-in-clothes, yeah. Anyway, go on to this villa. So, help us understand the realm of the genes. Do they also have nationalities, like Indian, Pakistani, Arabs, and how do they love, where do they love? Do they use amenities, like how we use amenities? Do they have influence over us? How much of influence? The genes have been here before us. Yes. They've been on this dunya before us, before the humans, because Eblis was a genie. Okay.

25:34So, Eblis came from them. He was, he was from one of them, and he got off, he got from Allah, and Zudni Ilyai Yawmi Yubar as soon, give me a life till the day of Judgment, and Allah granted him that, and then he said, he's gonna do this to you, that do that do that, but after this he made Allah's orders about bowing time for Adam and his Salam. But the fact that Eblis is a genie, and he came from the earth, and he was from the genies, shows that the genies were on this earth, way before us. So, we were a new species that were created by Allah on the earth, that we're going to receive the message, the message from Allah through Wahi and so on. Anyhow, the genies are made of a smokeless fire. And they are, and let me just start off by saying that, there are a lot of good genies out there. When people hear genies, say, oh, genie, genie, genie, genie. Oh, you know, honestly, you need to think about it properly, right?

26:34Genies from the whole, you know, when we say shaytan, shaytan refers to the rebellious genies. Right. But it also refers to the rebellious humans, and people misty-sting. So, because the Quran says, minal jinnati one nas. Yes. So, if you look at the Quran with nas, malikin nas, ilahi nas min shayda, aswas al khannas, and let it use to feel sluriness, minal jinnati one nas. So, the shaytan exists from jins and humans. A lot of people misty-sting out. So, there are rebellious jins called shaytan, there are rebellious humans called shaytan. Yes. Shayatina. Shayatina, inswal jinn. All right. So, we're going to look at the world like that, because I think in our Indo-Pacway of looking at it is are jins, jins, they're always associated with bad jins. No, no, no. There are many good jins. There are many bad jins as well. Just like humans, there are many good humans. There are also many bad jins as well. Both you got, right? So, now, they've got the world, we've got our world.

27:38We're made out of the earth, and water, and other elements, right? They're made of a smokeless fire. They are invisible to us. We are visible to them. So, how do you know? The Quran says, in Nahum yaranakum, min haithu, so Allah says that they're watching you from a point that you don't feel it, you're not able to detect it. Okay, fine. So, they've got the world now. In their world, they don't build houses like us. Okay. They don't have the capacity of the superintelligence that we've got, they don't have that. And that comes from what Allah said, walla ma'atham al asma akullaha. So, Nukhuraani says, and this is the thing that made Iblis go crazy. Because Iblis is waiting to become the king of the earth, right? He wants to become the Khalifa and the one who's ruling the earth.

28:39And then he sees this thing that gets created, which is Adhum al-Assalam. And then only get created. Allah downloads in this human being information that is like what no jin has ever seen or heard of. It's the intelligence we've got, the jinns are very much in all of us. They are scared of us. They're in all of us. They do not want to mess with us. This is the general thing is, jinns don't want to mess with humans, right? So, when they look at us, they think, wow, this thing is crazy, man. You know, like the infrastructure we've gone the earth. What was the earth before we came here? It was just mountains. It was just mountains and seas and the deserts. And that's how it was. There was not a single building, not a single monument, not a single, these cars, and they forget that, man. I mean, the intelligence we've got of creating this, creating light, creating, you know, getting gas out of the earth and using it to create fire.

29:42You know, they're like, whoa, you know, like this, this species is crazy, man. Don't mess with it. Because it could do things to you that will, that you never set paths. Now, there's a clear barrier that Allah has created. So now, and it says, the Quran as well, I think there are certain paths, it refers to that. About them crossing that barrier. Yata khab batahu shaytanu min al-Nas. Yes, right? So the way they will come and come in contact with us and they will try and look, what normally happens is, jeans can come in and out, right? Of us, no problem. Like, we know the shaytan sits there, it gives us what's said. That's a gin. So that's a gin given us. So that's normal. So people shouldn't be freaked out. Oh my god, oh my god, a gin came inside me, right? It's doing it daily, man. It's doing it from the day you were born. Yes, yes. He says that he touched the day you were born, except for he said, I said, I'm every single person was touched, that's right.

30:43So now, that is happening, right? So it's coming, there's nothing wrong. But inside coming, what happens is, okay, they give the waswasa, which is that they try to make you influence your mind into doing certain things. The rebellious jeans, I'm trying to tell you to do a certain thing. Now, Allah has made us stronger than that. Yes. That's why Allah said, in Nakaida shaytan, it kind of the aifa. They're plot and then whispering is all weak. We just have to do the vicar of Allah, it's gonna go. Hadith is very clear. So just remembering Allah, he'll go. You stay in the remembrance of Allah, gin can't come in, gin can't influence you. However, this is where it gets interesting, right? If you've made your inside a comfortable place for a gin, then it's gonna come and sit there and it's gonna sit like a sofa. You know, sitting on a sofa, right? So what do I mean by that? If you're hard, it's become such that it's away from Allah.

31:44You got no salah, you got no connection with Allah, you got no Qur'an in your life, or you got little of these things now and again, but it's not enough, it's not the real thing. Allah said, very five times a day, you know, doing any of that. Your Qur'an, these things are said to Rukha for no, none of that is there. So now he's got an empty house. He's like, whoa, I can stay here, I can stay here. You're not in sin, now when you get into sin, you're darkening your heart. So the Hadith says that the black dot is placed by the angels onto your heart. So now when the Khabith, and the Khabai, Khobuth and Khabai, the evil jins and so on, they love this stuff, man, they love sin, they love dirt, they love pollution. Now, you're a person who's not even cleaning yourself properly after the toilet, they love that. Oh my God, this body I can sit in there and I can, you know, feel I'm at home, right? You've got menstruation and you're not cleaning yourself properly, or you're not disposing of that properly. You've got clothes that are dirty or, you know, you're living in a place where there's what we call Najasa, Najasa. Feel actual, feel, right?

32:45You're, you know, now you've now created a proper nice comfortable place for the Shaitan to be in. Anyhow, my point is that there is much easier for jins than to influence such a person, than to influence someone who's actually doing this, or doing the, you know, obeying Allah, the protection is there, the connection with Allah is there. So the angels are now frequently coming. So the person who's doing all the obedience of Allah, angels are frequently coming in, why? Because you've got light inside there. The angels are dropping light because of your obedience to Allah as the Wajal. Shaitan finds it difficult to stay inside you. It comes in, gives you say, but it finds it difficult because there's so much like, there's so much noise, there's so much light, there's so much Allah's, Allah's make the place frequent for angels to come inside you. Right, so there's a big difference between the two, right? So anyhow, there's a barrier for them, they shouldn't really crossover and try and influence my mind. Now, this thing about how do they influence the mind, right? How do they get into a person and take off their mind?

33:47Now, the best way I'm going to explain this, because there are deniers out there. So let me talk to the deniers, right? So once looking in the camera, you denies, you listen to this, so I'm talking to the shaykh, and I'll explain this to you, right? So what it is is that the level of waswas can become, can become loud. So let me explain this, right? If I'm sitting in this room, and I'm, you know, I've got a clear mind, I'm thinking clear, right? But then, that's fine, right? That's the first thing. I'm thinking clear, there's no other sound and so on. Okay, fine. Then suddenly there's a bit of music that somebody puts in the background. I'm going to give you an example and I'll bring you back to the waswas, right? So there's a bit of music that happens in the background. So, okay, there's a bit of light music going on, I'm like, fine, fine. If someone turns the volume up, so now the music is a little bit louder, okay, fine, fine. I still can get on with my thoughts, with bottom-up on writing,

34:47what I'm doing, I'm more normal life. But then it didn't turn it up, then it gets louder. Have you ever been to a restaurant where you're sitting there, you're trying to talk to the guy, I'm talking to the guy, and the music's so loud, you're trying to lean over a little bit, and if you've been, yes, you've been there, we've had those experiences, right? Now it's getting loud, right? It's getting very loud. But imagine you go to another notch up, you go to such a, like, I'm talking about now, I've never been to this place of all life, these guys don't judge me on this. But I get a 10% of this, when you know you're in a car, a traffic lights, and there's another car next to you, and that guy's got his bass on. He's bass to another level and go, do, do, do, do, do, do. And the whole car, your car is the vibrate, do, do, do, your car's vibrate because this guy's next to you, man, and I don't know what's happened to the guys inside of his body, right? But he's like, do, do, right? And your car's kind of shaking because of the amount of music, you have to put your windows up, you put your whole windows up, still it's coming straight through, man, you can barely either.

35:47Now, if you go next to that thing, your decibels of your ears and your ear drums, and the decibels coming through there, it's kind of crazy, right? It's hurt, it can get to the level you hurt your ears. Yes. Now, I don't know what these guys are doing when they go to nightclubs. I've never been to one. Yes. But from that car next to me, I can feel why my bass is so strong, and it's shaking your car, your body, and your ears are, you know, painful, listen to that. What's going to happen to the nightclub? Now, imagine when they go to the nightclub, if they turn it on and they put, I don't know, what's that music they've got, which is the crazy music, man, the one that they shout, they scream. I don't know, they's one, they's one out there, right? Right, so we're not talking about any rocker role, we're talking about these, I don't know. The ones that, you know, they're so loud, so loud, the guitar, the this, that, and even the guy's voice, whatever he said, he's so loud, I mean, if you ever hear that and switch it on, if you ever came through accidently, right? You're like, whoa, man, they're so loud,

36:49you're like, you can't hear anything else, right? So it's that, imagine you're in a place like that and the whole band is out there, the concert's going on and there's so many speakers out there and they're shouting at the top of the voice and this really loud, like whatever music it is, right? I mean, in that place, all you can do is just hold your ears, and just get up, even then, it's coming seizing through, man, you can't hear, you can't hear the guy speaking next to you, right now. Let me then come back to the Waswas. They're levels of Waswas. Yes. So normal Waswas is, you can't get a feeling that you wanna do this. That's a normal Waswas. I wanna do it, you know it's simple, but you've been driven towards it. That's a normal Waswas, right? But then it can get a bit louder, which means, not loud actually physically, so what I'm trying to say is that, again, loud as in, the Waswas feels stronger. So basically, you're inside, like I said to you, you've made it now a comfortable sofa for the shaytan to sit in, right? So that Waswas, he's not gonna just come in and go.

37:49A person who's in vicar and who's obeying Allah, the shaytan can only come say something and they go, because he can't say that for too long. But a person who's in the disobedience of Allah for years and years, or he's there, they're not in the obedience of Allah, what happens is, the shaytan comes and sits there, man, it's comfortable, he'll carry on telling you stuff. Like, this is that, that is this, this is that, that is, it's kind of making things, things, things. And it's you and the shaytan, you just sit in the shaytan, comfortably sit in there, and it's talking to you as if it's you, oh, you know, like when we talk to ourselves, you don't realize, you're like talking to yourself, but it's really the shaytan that's talking to you. So you could be careful, like, who are you talking to, right? If it's not aligned with the Quraían Sunnah, you could be talking to the shaytan, so be careful what kind of thoughts are coming in your mind. And sometimes you've got a question where are these thoughts coming from, right? So anyway, so imagine it's that level where it's actually influencing my mind. Yeah, that's true, yeah. And you're going down that, you know, down the whole lane, thinking, yeah, yeah, yeah, and you get more and more and more. So that's another notch up. Now let's go another notch up.

38:50Another notch up is that you kind of, and you know, I can only say this from the people, from the victims of this, and from the people who've actually experienced this. So what happens is what they say, this is from the people who've actually experienced this, is they will actually hear a sound. So there's a notch up, yeah. So they'll actually hear like, when you know the thoughts in my mind, those thoughts are going to get so strong, it's those moments like that, there's a voice in my head, they're saying it. Wow, you get it. And they think it's them, it's a voice in the head, but then they're like, I don't think like that. So why is this, it gets to that level. Then there's another notch up above that, which is now you're actually hearing, right? And this is from them, come from there like you hear. I'm sure I know that, yeah. So they're actually hearing this, right? Or in the mind, in the mind or in the ear,

39:53they're hearing an actual voice, right? So some of them actually might feel that they're going crazy or some of them feel, feel and feel that, no, no, no, it's something like, it's a close voice. Now, some of them will fight this of a Lord and will fight this of some of them, will now get subdued. So now it gets to another level, let's take another notch level. Another notch level is that they're hearing this inside them, they're hearing the voices and that. It's almost like me, yeah, I need to do this. I need to do this, I need to act like this, I need to. Now, what they say is this. A lot of them have gone through the root here. If you ask them, when you were speaking under the Jin's influence, did you hear, or did you know what you were saying? Now, I personally interviewed these guys. I what they will tell you is this, I know I was saying that, but I wasn't able to control myself. I wasn't able to, you know, influence that. Right. They even say that I felt like I was in a room behind.

40:57And I couldn't, I'm trying to move, but I can't really get the thing to move my body or to influence what I'm saying. Now, this is a very high level. This is where it gets to where we call the possessed line. Now, what's happening for the doubters? So, what's happening is that the level of waswas is gone so deep. It's like they start talking inside as if it's you. And you start allowing that, you don't fight it or you're giving up fighting or you become subdued to the level that it, the voice and the whatever is saying to you, you kind of feel that, yeah, yeah, that's kind of me. That's me. And you give in to that. And the, and the gin basically in you is now able to give you waswas so strong like the music. Let's go back to the music. It gets so loud. That you just can't, it just drowns you. You can't hear the next thing. You're totally subdued by this entire, you know, level of, of, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

42:00decibels that we were saying, decibels again high in the music thing. It's so loud, it's hurting you, it's hurting you inside. The same thing on the root care side, when you get the gin's notching it up. Like if you don't, if you don't, like, like fight it, if you don't get it out of your system, if you don't start doing the decadentilawa and your root care and whatever, right? It's gonna get so comfortable so much so that it starts to start, this waswas become something that influences your mind as if you are the person saying that. You are the person thinking like that. So you understand, it's a gin, I guess that level where it's saying it, we're saying in your mind and you kind of think that it's me, right? And it, and it takes over in the sense that you give into it where it actually takes over now and it starts to, you know, say what it wants to say. Yes, sir. So, so anyway, look, this is, this is the best way I can explain that the levels of waswas get deeper and get so embedded in the person that person actually feels that's me, that's me saying it, right? So therefore you get that different person,

43:01you know, the different person acted like they were, you know, they were basically active and say, because now it's a shaytan that is now taking over, now this is a haram for the shaytan to do by the way and they also take a massive risk because when they do this, when they cross over in our world, don't forget what I said to you about the intelligence human because the level of root care and things that we've got out there, right, that we can do the gins, you can go to the level of hurting the gin, punishing the gin, burning the gin, creating great damage for the gin, right to the extent of even killing the gin, it can go to that level, right? So they're very scared of that, they're very scared of crossing that world into, you know, into your own world. But for the views out there, what I want to say is that you got to start off with the general things that Rasulullah ﷺ gave you. So you should be on the obedience of Allah. Like, if you want Islam to work, you can't be a player, right? And then come and just do root care to me and then I'm gonna go by playing, you know, I'm doing a haram out there, I'm in haram, I'm doing whatever, and then I just want you to

44:01sort my problem and then go back out there. Come on, man, if you, you know, this is spiritual world, it's not a pit stop, right? So first is that you check the root care of Rasulullah ﷺ and then you do the addons. So whatever Rasulullah ﷺ gave you, and you get added on, I don't know, so you know, the Sabah and Masa, the morning and even dhikr, you can go from the three cools all the way to like a 10 minute sitting or a 15 minute sitting there, from all the hadith, what Rasulullah ﷺ said, you can add on and you know what, Rasulullah, one beautiful thing for the views. If you do the morning and evening al-Qaar, you will feel so good. Your day goes good, your night goes good, you feel good, and you know Allah protects you from so much, man, without even us realizing. So much Allah, so you want to put that on, that's the normal root care Allah's giving, you don't need to go to a raqqy for that, but if it ever gets very serious, then the best thing I would say to each person who's suffering from this, from anything with Jinn or Jadu, is that you need to up your level of hamil,

45:02of action of the Quran. The more you do that, the more powerful you will become. Look, Quran's never changed from the Sahaba time and hour time. Yeah. It's the same Quran. So are we going to say now that the Quran is less powerful in our time, la hawla, never? If any believer says that the Quran is less powerful in our time than the time when he came in Rasulullah ﷺ's time, if any believer says that, they've lost the iman. You have to believe the Quran is as it is in the Prophets of some time, as it is today, the same, same. What's the difference? The difference is, ramal. It's practice. So if you up your level of practice, you just do a few root, there's a few times you blow, you see the effect, I've given this common people. I've seen this in common people. You give it to someone who's practicing Islam. Three times they read it. Five times they read it. Ten times, twenty times whatever they read, other people you give it to, five hundred times. Does this work? Is this something that, you know, why is he working for me? Well, why is he working for me? You know, up your level of iman. Now, there are some people out there,

46:03it's like, okay, I've got a serious problem now. For me to up my level of iman, it's going to take me ages, and by that time I'm going to be finished with this. Okay, you go to a raki, make sure you go to a proper raki, make sure you go to a raki that is not going to take you for a ride, not going to rupture for your money, and also it's going to do iman properly, right? And also, you know, he's going to, he's not going to just look, the one thing is this, the best raki are those who not only do Rukya on you, but they're trying to lift your arm out and your spiritual level up. That's the best raki. He's trying to make you what the Sahaba were, which is, look, you come with the problem, okay, fine, now you need to add this to your thing, get your Salazar, get your Qura'an done, get this Mutanta, in the morning, evening, at the garden, read this item, then do Rukya on yourself, everyday, read this, yourself, you know, blowing water, drinking yourself, you'd Rukya yourself, if you came to the Prophet Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam, and yes, we do have a hadith of actual Rukya, which is in Bukhari as well, right? So there's a Sahaba, he was only five years old, and his father takes him to the Prophet,

47:04the Prophet, the Prophet, the Prophet, the Prophet, the Prophet, the Prophet, the Prophet, then, you know, read something, put something in his mouth, and then, the Prophet, the Prophet, the Prophet, the Prophet, the Prophet, like, he blew it out, but it was sprayed out onto the face of this young Sahaba. And whatever problem he had, it was gone. So that is there in Sahaba, so actually going to Rukhari is nothing like wrong, right? It's there. And for Rukhari to blow on you, blow water on you, it comes from all of this, from this hadith, because it was water that was in the Prophet's mouth, and which he blew, but he blew it, sprayed it, like, in the face of the young Sahaba, and then, he got cured from that. So, the thing is, these things are there, so we can clearly, you know, use these methods. But what you want to do, you want to aid yourself with your own Rukhya. That's the best thing. People who have got out of this, you know, take their eyes from the different rakis, and blow on yourself, and get yourself to be, you know, cured. That is a much better way. I am doing one of the fascinating

48:04discussions that has been that we initially thought that we have a brief certain but the hamd- Your subject, your subject, Ginger, can go for hours. I just want to ask you one last question. Building on your analogy of you said, home remedy, then pharmacy, then going to the doctor, then going to the hospital. In the hospital world, also, you get the point where the doctors say, okay, we can't do anything now. Beyond this, you have to live with this condition. Do you reach that point also in this realm of the world? Ah, that's a good question, yeah. You know, I love doctors, and I hate them as well. Right. Right. So, I love them for the fact that I am the, we need doctors, right? You know, they do a good job, and I am analyzing you, and seeing what's wrong with you, and give you prescribed you whatever. We love them for that. What I hate them, is when doctors, will talk to you, from the, from the side of what they've been trained to do, which is, you only talk from a scientific point of view. Yes.

49:04And you don't talk from a point of view of religion. Religion defies all the religions, because beyond all of this. Religion, when it comes to religion, your belief, Subhanallah, depending on who you are, and what you can do. Subhanallah, Allah can do. Allah can change, stone into gold. Right. So, there's nothing that Allah can't do. Now, in the doctors world, they can say that, or we can't do anything more. We've still seen some people who've gone beyond that, and who've mashallah, they've got cured. For whatever, you know, Allah cured them, whichever way he did. You know that. But the probability is, that the person with the doctors have given up, there's a high probability, that person's going to probably pass away soon, or he's going to live with that condition for a very long time, or till the end of his life. We know that as well, right? In this side of Rukia, I'm going to say one thing, which is, if your Eman is strong, if your Amal

50:04and your action of the Quran is there, and you gather all the ayats and all the, you know, all the things to read, for the jinn and jada, or whatever, you gather them, and you start reciting them, yourself, over and over and over and over and over again. And you just stay at it, and you do it on a daily basis, maybe if it's really strong, then do it several times in a day. Whenever you try to read, just, you record it in a recording, just play that in the background, right? I believe, there's not a single jinn, that can stay. There's not a single person that will remain in that condition for good. But it's up to you. We're talking about a strong level of Eman, a strong level of action, and a continuous reading, because the Quran is never going to be done in it, never.

51:04And that's our belief as a Muslim. So your Quran is a strong base, it's using it with your Ahmad. Alhamdulillah, it has been a fascinating, insightful and educational program beyond the sensational level, but giving us actual understanding on the matter, may Allah reward us with our guests, may Allah reward us with our guests. Peace be upon you.