Jane Blalock

I'm not going to tell you how to hold and how to put your hands on the club.

Make sure your grip is very gentle.

Soft.

You know, I said don't give it the old Harley Davidson where you're squeezing it to

death and you don't want your veins popping out of your arms when you're holding onto

it.

So it's a matter of the grip pressure and on that too to make sure throughout the swing

that you keep the grip pressure constant.

Well, hey, Jane, thank you for taking the time to do this and it's great to have you on.

Well, it's my pleasure.

Well, thanks.

I am now you played a lot of other sports before you ever picked up a club, right?

Yes, I did.

I did.

Growing up in New Hampshire, you know, and particularly my generation, there were not a lot of opportunities

for young women, but I did manage some baseball and basketball and even had to set a shoulder

pads with the guys, played some tennis.

So yeah, golf came a little bit later.

What age did you start playing golf?

I was 13.

Yeah, so that young by those standards today, I'd be over the hill.

Right.

You know, I'm always interested in, you know, people who, you know, people who played in

the 70s and 80s, you know, who picked up the game when they were teenagers as opposed

to people who were born with a club in their hand.

Like today, how did the other sports you played influence you when you, you know, what

impact did they have on your game as you started to play?

Well, I'm going to answer that two ways.

All the boys in my neighborhood.

So that's the, that's the group I played baseball and football and basketball with.

And they all went to Caddy at the local club, which was sports with country club.

And they dragged me with them.

So that's how, so by succeeding in other sports, they always wanted me on their team.

So they wanted me out there on the golf course with me.

So I, I caddyed as well.

But I think that golf was a wonderful outlet because there were not, there were not any

organized sports for young women.

You know, the basketball was in, you know, the backyard and, you know, baseball I played

on the, you know, actually both the grammar school and junior high school boys team.

Those night think for girls.

So golf is something that I could pursue and play at my own pace and didn't need an

organization to enable me to do so.

How did you pick up your swing?

Where did you learn it essentially?

Because it's self-taught, right?

Oh, yeah.

It was definitely a self-taught swing and it still looks like it.

It's just watching others, you know, just watching.

There was, there was still golf on television at that time, you know, it was Arnold Palmer

and there was not much women's golf on television at that time.

But even, you know, the, the guys at the club, I would watch the good players.

And I carried for them.

I would just, you know, pick up a good golf swing and the pro at our club, he had nine

kids.

And so we hosted junior clinics.

So I was able to, I think I was usually the only girl there.

So I had a few tips from him growing up too.

How quickly did you feel like you got it?

I know when you're a teenager, you don't know what you're getting until you're just doing

it, right?

Yeah, I was, I was a very good athlete.

I mean, I could, you know, I could toss in three pointers when I was young.

And so I had a natural ability, a natural touch.

And so my swing, you know, I mean, the golf swing never comes naturally to anybody.

I don't dare say that.

But I just had good timing and rhythm.

And I certainly, I love competing on any level.

So I think I always looked at if I played in the, I remember winning the New Hampshire

junior amateur and my parents, my parents did not play golf.

And I remember their words, just go out and have fun.

Do not ever think about winning while I came back with a trophy.

So I had, I had parents that never pushed me, but allowed me to play the game.

Now for you personally, was it, did you always just feel was it the competition that you loved

or was it just the game that you loved?

It was, I love the competition, but I also love the sense of serenity and peacefulness

that the game with golf provided.

You know, I could go out and play by myself, you know, ball, A against ball B. And I did

that quite frequently.

Women's golf, obviously, was much more under the radar at the time as you were saying.

So were there male players who you saw on TV that you wanted to model your swing after

or that influenced the way you sang the club?

It was just, well, Arnold Palmer, who loved Arnold Palmer.

And you know, on television, I love watching Sam Sneed and Byron Nelson.

And you know, fortunately, I get to know them both fairly well later on, you know, in

my team.

So that was very, very special.

So I could tell them how important they were to me.

When you met them later on, did you guys ever, I mean, obviously you talked about the game.

So was there anything you picked up from either of them about swinging the club that was

helpful?

You know, I actually played several rounds with Sam Sneed, which was a treat in itself.

And you know, I just, his words of wisdom, he said, I swing like I got all all over my

body.

And you know, that sent just that freedom.

And whenever I later on getting to a tough situation, I said, okay, I got to oil up here.

Right.

That's why I love that.

I've heard him say that.

Well, he said it to me, you know, more than once.

And he was just a grimmie classic golf swing, but I don't think I ever beat him.

I mean, I'd beat, you know, three up with four holes to go and somehow he'd finish birdie,

birdie, eagle.

How about Byron Nelson?

Because that was, you know, it's interesting to me because he really, both he and Sneed kind

of like locked in the swing.

And it was very, you know, once they had it, it was theirs, right?

Yeah.

And very, obviously, very, very different swings.

I never played golf with Byron, but I had the chance to have dinner with him.

And she's such a gentleman.

I mean, you could not have been a more gracious, nicer human being.

Everybody, I know it's funny.

He is the one person who everyone, I think, universally speaks incredibly highly.

I guess the, in that generation, the other person that I actually did play golf with was

Gene Sarasin.

Gene and played with Patty Berg and the very first mixed team event actually was held at Daryl.

And I played with my mentors, Tom Miyaporti, who won a few PGA term, but long time professional

at Wingfoot.

And, you know, just Gene would say, just most important part of the gospel.

It's just those first six inches taking that club away the first six inches.

That's all you have to think about.

No, it's, no, for somebody like me who's a 12th handicap, tell me why it's the first

six inches.

Because I'm worried about the whole process.

Well, the biggest sense of timing and, you know, not allowing your hands to be too active

and starting it on plane, you know, I'm not a teacher, so I don't want to get into instruction.

And I'm such a field player.

And I think about that a lot because many of us tend to get a little quick, you know,

jerk it away with your hands, especially when we get nervous.

Right.

I saw one of your, one of your videos talking about the hands and the grip.

Talk a little bit about, you know, how you approach the grip.

You know, I run the PGA women's golf clinics and I don't teach at them, but I do perform

an exhibition for participants.

And I was telling them the only thing holding on to the club or your hands.

I'm not going to tell you how to hold and how to put your hands on the club.

Make sure your grip is very gentle, soft.

You know, I said, don't give it the old Harley Davidson where you're squeezing it to death.

And you don't want your veins popping out of your, out of your arms when you're holding

onto it.

So it's a matter of the grip pressure.

And on that too, to make sure throughout the swing that you keep the grip pressure constant,

you don't re grip change it, you know, start out loose and then tighten.

So just however you initiate that first, you know, putting hands on the club, keep it the

same throughout.

Yeah, that seems to be, it's funny.

It that seems like a recurring problem for people is the changing the grip because I,

I try to hold it as loosely and as lightly as I can.

But I know that when I don't hit it well, I'm somewhere in the middle of it.

And I go, oh, and I start holding out really tight and trying to control it.

You know, and so as a field player, what did you kind of key in on when you were, you know,

in competition to keep going, you know, when you were, when you were playing well, what

did you focus on to keep your game going?

Yeah, it probably changed because I always tried to keep, keep it to one thought.

And, you know, tempo was always such an important part because I would tend to get quick.

My golf swing is compact would be the kind word it gets very short.

And I forbid that to growing up at ports with country club, very long, windy golf course.

It's right on the water.

And so I hit a lot of punch shots, a lot of three quarter shots.

So I always had to work on completing my swing, making sure I made a full turn.

And see, and that's, you know, I was a Bob Toskey really taught me to play.

He's a person that allowed me to pursue a career, encouraged and allowed, you know, on the LPGA.

And he constantly talked about grip pressure.

And kind of, he helped me a lot with those wind shots, like hitting and holding.

And keeping the club, making sure I don't swing inside out, you know, keeping it inside

on the line and back inside again.

It's like swinging left.

So you never turn it over.

And I, my best tournaments, I was able to hit a fade with a two iron and three iron.

So you can imagine how beneficial that was.

Oh, for sure.

For sure.

Now, and you went to, you met him after you finished college, right?

Right.

And, and you'd gone to college to play tennis?

Was that?

I played, I didn't go to play.

But you, but I mean, you played tennis.

Yes, I did.

I played on, I went to Rowan's college and I played on the tennis team.

I was not the star by any means, but I did play in, in matches and the coach tried

to convert me from, you know, playing golf to playing tennis.

And fortunately, I didn't make that decision.

Did not, were there similarities?

I mean, obviously there are, but were there similarities between the tennis swing and

the golf swing that helped you on the golf course?

Um, probably hurt me more than anything else because in tennis, you know, I'm right handed.

So you can, you want that really firm grip and you're holding on to the racket.

And also when you're serving in, I, to this day, I still play some tennis and I have tightness

in my right shoulder.

So, yeah, I don't think tennis really helped me.

Well, if I'm, you're thinking out of the box, it kept my legs strong.

So it made me feel athletic.

And I think I played golf more athletically than many others.

Right.

And you, I, I've seen you talk about, you know, taking an athletic stance, right?

It's feeling that you're in athletic position.

Do people forget that they are an athlete when they're standing over golf?

Yes.

They do.

I mean, you know, because there's so much instruction, you know, now with YouTube and all the

videos, there's just people have time to think and it becomes too much, you know, too much

technical information.

And they forget about the freedom of the swing.

And I always talk about the journey of the club head, just enjoy that journey and don't

think about it along the way.

You know, Toskey's one of his famous lines has just let it happen.

And that was that also really played well under pressure, just letting it happen and not

forcing it.

Now, yeah, talk a little bit about what, you know, then he's still with us, right?

About Toskey is like 99 or?

Yeah, he's 97, 97.

He had a birthday in September, 97.

And what, I mean, what were, what did you learn?

What were the big things you took away from, from working with him that changed you into

somebody who decided to play professional golf?

Well, it's more just the willingness to take the time to work with me and how it happened

to some one of my good friends and really close friend in college, Bob Lewis.

Bob is no longer with us, but he was.

In the US amateur, he was captain of the Walker Cup team and a great guy.

And I said, we, you know, we played basketball together and played golf together.

And he said, you know, there's a person you, you know, you're really good, but you,

but you could be better.

So he introduced me to Toskey, got him my Volkswagen bug and drove.

He was an ocean reef club in North Kilarco and drove to Dante a couple lessons from him.

And I was teaching school at the time.

He said, you know, I'd love to give you some more work with you.

I think you've got some potential.

And I said, I can't afford it.

It was $15 a lesson.

And he said, well, I have an offer for you.

So he offered me a job working at Ocean Reef Club, you know, pro shot, first tea, picking

up range balls.

And I had the chance to do a lot of clinic demonstrations with him.

And I said, if I can survive doing a demonstration with him, I can do anything in life.

He would really, really, really tough.

And then you turned pro shortly after working with him or a year and a half.

And he encouraged me.

Many the professionals would come down to see him.

Judy Rankin was my predecessor.

And so we all got, you know, and a lot of top, you know, the PGA, there's what come down

to Jim Colbert was a frequent student of Bob's.

And seven or eight of us will go out and play.

And they said, no, you're a good kid.

But, you know, I don't think you're material for the LPGA.

That's all I needed to hear.

So Bob said, you know, go ahead and go try it.

And he just, you know, gave me some words of wisdom.

And he said, just don't, you know, play within yourself.

That's often, you know, it's redundant comment.

But just, you know, just don't pay attention.

Anyone else's game, I had an excellent short game.

I could ship and put into the day I still can because I think I can.

And so we said, just, you know, play, play your own game and go out there and enjoy it.

And I did.

So I won rookie of the year, the first year.

I was just going to try it for one year.

And because my parents are horrified, you know,

college education, I'm going to go play golf.

And I then I tried it one more year and actually I won a tournament

within my first 12 months.

So I won a tournament in 1970 in the spring of 1970.

And all of a sudden, it was just, you know, there I was.

And no one, I mean, everyone thought it was a fluke.

You know, I really don't belong out there.

I, I was, it didn't hit the ball very high.

Again, that's playing back to the wind and it, it worked from the country club.

When you got out there and all of a sudden you're under pressure, what,

what happens to you?

I'm fascinated by what happens to people mentally.

I know how hard it is to be on the, the municipal course and have two guys watching.

And I know you'd played competitively, obviously, and, you know,

and big tournaments and things like that.

But, you know, an amateur tournaments.

But what, what happened to your game when all of a sudden it was under pressure?

How did you kind of keep it going or do you just not think about it?

My game improved under pressure.

And I think it was partially my attitude.

I just felt so lucky to be there.

You know, I was there because I wanted to be not because someone pushed me to be there.

And I'd gone, you know, from teaching school and I went, oh my gosh, you know, I'm here.

And I'm, you know, I can earn some money and I'm playing a sport that I absolutely love.

And I'm going back to saying how I would play golf by myself when I was growing up.

I love the solitude and that, you know, word serenity.

And I think that helped me when I was under pressure because I had a wonderful ability

to really block everything out and slow everything down.

I thought I would go into slow motion.

And I just, again, it's hard to know why some people do perform under pressure and some don't.

I don't have an answer for that.

But I didn't like not being under pressure.

I hated it when I'm not playing as well.

And the sprinklers are on and all the TV cameras are on a group, you know, three or four holes behind you.

I'd like the action.

And it was, it was fun.

And so when I would warm up in the morning, you know, we all go the pitting green.

We pretend, okay, this is a pot to win the tournament.

I could, I was actually more nervous warming up in the morning, like trying to make those four foot puts.

My palms would sweat.

So I think when I get on the course, oh, you've already been here.

You're already, you've got, you know, rid of that sense of, sense of nerves.

And two, I would, you know, hitting the two shots or hitting the four iron or, you know, pitch shots warming up.

I could really make myself feel very uncomfortable, which would prepare me to be calm or late in the run.

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Now you saying about, you know, your short game being a strength, because I think the short game is something that's really a problem for people who are good and regular players, but not getting where they want to go.

What, what, what would you say are the keys to the short game and what don't, what don't people get? Why aren't they better?

Because it has such an impact on score.

Yeah, I mean, it comes to let's say, you know, chipping or pitching, I just picture everything. I just picture it. It's like those three pointers.

And so that's a gift I have in my hands, be very soft.

And I had a natural touch.

And I said, fortunately, I still do.

I'm putting I think there are a couple things if I was trying to give someone destruction. I make sure I keep my eyes very still.

Tendency is a lot of people who poor putters they watch the potter go back and once your eyes move at all the rest of your body moves.

And I also have a very, very soft, almost loose grip, you know, on my potter.

I don't get short and jabby. It's a kind of more like a bend, Crenshaw type stroke, long and flowing.

And I think I'm going to make every pot I look at.

And I think again, that's a big part of it.

No, that's, that's he, it's funny because when I stand over a pot, if I think I'm going to make it, my chances of making it are so much better.

Then if I go, oh, I hope I make it.

How do you, how do you get, how do you get, is that just a natural mindset for you or was that something you were able to work out?

For yourself.

So what maybe a little bit of both.

But it's, I also, I mean, you just keep yours and we're natural.

I hate all these new, you know, the aim point and even a caddy might say, oh, look, you know,

that spot, I never looked at a spot.

I, to this day, I just picture the line.

I just kind of watched the line of the pot as it flows into the hole.

And as I think if you, you know, pick a spot, if it's two feet or halfway to the hole, it's disrupt.

It's just become immediate, I immediately think of, you know, mechanics.

So I think that's keeping my eyes absolutely still and just picturing the path of the ball going into the hole.

And it was, I think, patty burga, playing with her when my, probably in my first year on tour.

And she said, you know, more pots are made when the ball just gets to the hole.

So that old adage never, never in.

She said, if you just, if you can judge the speed where it just falls very gently into the hole, it can fall in from the front.

It can fall in from the side.

But if you're ramming it by, you know, being an aggressive putter, that's, you know, that's not a good thing.

So I am an excellent lad putter.

And again, that's, I'm going back to my three pointers.

Sure.

Well, and, and it's funny.

I mean, I've, I'm not an excellent lad putter, but I found that my focus, that if you focus on just getting it the right distance.

Oh, but the first part.

Oh, exactly.

Because then you, you know, I, I never want, I hate the three putty.

I said, if you can, if you can avoid three putting it any time, you're going to be finishing the top 10 in every single week.

And so when you've got those 30, 40 photos, you get the right speed.

You're seldom going to be more than three feet away.

Unless you really made a, you know, horrible decision on, on the line.

So the speed is by far the most important thing.

Why do you think people, myself included, are so focused on hitting the ball or the swing rather than the putting stroke and the short game?

It doesn't make a lot of sense because, you know, you have your strokes that you've been shooting par.

Let's, we use 72.

Usually half your strokes are allocated, you know, to putting.

Because it's not fun to stand there and put.

In fact, I don't practice putting very much at all.

If I, if I'm playing in a tournament of any kind, I'll go to the putting green.

And if I make the first four, three footers, I pick it up and leave.

Because now I think I'm good.

It's both standing there.

Oh, one more.

Oh, one more.

Because then you, you, you're risking doubt.

If you, if you do miss one, then you automatically tend to stop and start thinking about it.

Right.

Oh, for sure.

No, that I, I, I know that exact, that exact routine.

I'll just one more.

Just one more.

Just down.

I'm, I'm going to be great today.

Um, now, when, when you're on the tour, what you played, obviously at the same time as some

amazing women were amazing players with amazing swings who kind of went under the radar.

We know worldwide though, obviously, this is when women golf started to gain more, more attention.

Who, who's swings did you admire and what did you learn from?

I'm sure you learned tons, but what did you learn from the other women on tour and from home?

Well, Mickey right.

That, you know, best swing ever.

And I did have a chance to play alongside her in tournaments.

I also played some with her in the off season because she, um, I spent my time in the Delray Beach area.

And I still do, um, I'll be traveling down there after Christmas.

And so we played some rounds together for fun and just the sound of her striking the golf ball.

I will never, you know, there'll never be anyone quite like that.

And, uh, just a classic golf swing can shape the ball, move it any direction she wanted.

And because her golf swing was so good, people didn't realize, um, what a good short game she had to.

I mean, she was just so talented.

No, her swing is incredible to watch.

I mean, it's, it's like Sam's need.

It's like you can just watch it over and over and just be like, if I could ever do that, I would give very happy person.

Did she, did you learn anything about swinging the club from her?

Um, not just, you know, growing up, emulating others.

Um, I would try to pick up on her, her timing, her swing was much longer than mine.

Um, but just, it was just inspirational.

So I can't cite one particular thing.

Um, and the other person that I bet you're all not a classic swing, but effective, great strategic player.

And didn't do anything, Amber playing with going, one that she does not do anything spectacular.

But when she's signing her scorecard, you know, it's 68, 69.

And Kathy Whitworth was the same way.

I mean, she had an ability to score like nobody else.

I mean, she, you know, again, she kind of, you forgot how well she was playing.

Um, and she would get up and down from anywhere.

So I think Betsy and Kathy both had similar styles and not classic golf swings.

But boy, did they make it work? And that taught me a lot, you know, you don't have to hit it perfectly every single time.

There are different, it's, it's the score.

It's how do you get the ball in the hole?

And I guess that's how I play just well.

It's, it's, it's interesting because there are people at all levels of golf where you, they're just, you watch them and you're like, not shocked by, you're not like, wow, they're amazing.

But they can just score at whatever level it is. They're just scores.

Now, is that just a mentality and a viewpoint?

I think it's a, it's a will.

Something inside.

Because I would tell, you know, any of my friends that having, you know, weren't playing as well.

I said, you only need on each hole. You only need one good shot after the drive.

Either one hit a really good iron to the green or if you missed the green, you want to hit a really good chip.

If you don't hit a good chip, you just want to make that pot.

So that kind of takes, so it's a matter of not getting upset, not putting pressure on yourself.

I mean, I think it's in some ways it's good to get a little upset, but to make it, but allowing that energy to make you want to make that pot more or make that chip better.

You're supposed to getting down. You're kind of channeling that anger or frustration into giving you that stronger will to make something good happen.

That's one of the more interesting things I think about that I've learned about about golfers is how there are those who are just able to channel all of the challenges and all the things that would intimidate most people into energy rather than

nerves.

Exactly.

Yeah.

So I mean, if you don't get mad, it kind of stays with you.

So you have to release something.

I mean, I used to have a, I would slap my thigh and I almost have a handprint by the end of the round, but it wasn't this horrible thing or where I'm, you know, expletives or, you know, being terribly demonstrative.

It was just like, it would just get rid of it to get that get rid of that frustration.

And then I would say, I'm just going to hit this.

I'm going to do this next time.

I'm not going to let that bother me.

And were there times where you when you were playing, you know, and really big competition where you lost your swing and had to figure out how to get it back?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

When the, you know, when the wheels come off at times, it's a, and sometimes it's just a one shot that you hit and it's something doesn't feel right.

And then you make the mistake of tinkering or instead of saying, OK, it just, you know, kind of play.

You know, if you're hitting it left to right that day, don't try it all of a sudden hit draws. Just go with, you know, dance with me.

And, but, you know, when the wheels come off, it's so hard because it's, it's like everything happens so quickly.

You feel like there's all this time between shots, but that's time, time to think.

But it's really hard to correct something, you know, in the middle of all the action.

But there were times when I did do it and it worked and the times when I allowed it to get to me.

And that made a long wait before the next tournament and trying to correct that.

Right.

That's, that's funny because that's like, you know, when I go out and shoot a 92 and I drive home and go, I don't know how to play this game.

Yeah.

When can I play it so that I can prove to myself that I still know how to, how to do it?

Did you ever lose, feel like you lost your swing for any prolonged period of time?

Did you ever go through a period where you were trying to put it back together?

Yeah. More towards the end of my career.

I had hurt my back and I compensated for it and got, you know, too army and, you know, just, I wasn't comfortable.

And so I wanted to, I'm tournament in 1980 and then I didn't win again.

I went three years without winning a tournament and it's like, cool, you know, I tried this and tried that.

And what I did come back.

I went to see Ed Olfield who was working with Betsy King at the time.

I changed clubs.

I cut my hair.

I tried to change everything.

I actually ended up taking about six months off.

I rented a house on the seat coast of New Hampshire and just thinking and wasn't sure if I really wanted to play golf again.

I was so frustrated.

But then I again woke up one morning feeling determined and let's do this.

So I kind of revamped everything and came back at the end of 84 and finished had three top 10 finishes.

But you could just feel it.

I could just feel something changing in me.

And then I won two big tournaments in 85.

And the last one I won I shot nine under on the final round to win.

It was in Japan.

It was a big tournament.

And I said, OK, I think that's enough.

No, I prove that I can do it.

So let's move on in my life.

It's very humbling to know that even someone who played at your level goes through that.

Oh, what happened?

I remember just writing some things down.

You start listening to people in the gallery around the driving range and, you know, Joe Shimo was saying, well, you know, you're taking it inside.

And you start you actually listen to them.

And you just it's that, you know, loss of confidence.

And you go from, you know, always finishing a top 10, I'll just try to finish top 20.

Then you're just trying to make a cut.

So it was a downhill slide.

And I was very fortunate that I was able to bring it back in such a positive fashion.

Now, as far as people who want to play golf their entire lives, what are the keys to having a good swing that will last into your 70s and your 80s and your 90s?

Well, it's doing a little stretching because we get our muscles get tight.

And us swing us we can get shorter and shorter.

I mean, it's easy to say, but, you know, the simpler you're swing, the more you more effective it is, you know, the more consistent it is.

But I think a lot of it is just that smooth tempo, you know, that old Sam's need oil all over my body type swing.

Because I see some folks that I played golf with are older and again, shorter and trying to attack that ball instead of just thinking about that fluid motion.

I wish there were some, you know, some definite comments I could make on that.

But, you know, there aren't.

The last question I have for you is if there was one thing when you watch people like when you give your, you know, your exhibitions at the LPGA clinics, if there was one thing, one myth about swinging a club or one thing that people are taught that you wish you could undo for every golfer in the world.

What would that be?

Keeping your head down.

I mean, that is that's such a horrible horrible thought, but it's, you know, it's so common.

I guess the other one would be kind of staying behind the ball.

And because that is really a stupid comment, because you want to always swing through and get your momentum going through, you look at like Gary player, he even takes a step.

After he hits the ball. So I think those two keeping your head down this day and behind the ball because behind the ball's instant back operation.

Well, I talk about, I saw, I saw you talking about keeping your head steady instead of keeping it down.

Yes. What's, what's tell, tell everybody what the difference is.

And, and why it matters.

Well, steady level because you can, you can rotate a look that you can keep the axis here and you can rotate back and forth, keeping it down.

You can't even turn because now you're looking down and you can't even get your shoulder on, you know, under your chin.

So, level is such an important word where you don't want to raise up going back. You don't want to lower your, your head going back.

And once again, you want to keep your eyes steady as possible on the ball and not allow your, your eyes to watch the club go back to.

Is that, yeah, that it's, it's funny. I mean, I know, um,

Jack Nicholas, that was one of the big things was keeping the head steady and also keeping it turned a little bit right to let.

Yeah, a little, a little cock sometimes I'll turn happen.

I'll look at the ball, address it with my left eye.

That gives me feeling of really hitting strong into my left side.

And that freeze about, you know, the cocks his head. So that allows you to rotate going back. But again, keeping your head down, you can't, you can't move.

That's, it's like, you're a mobile.

Which is very not good.

Jane, thank you. This was great. Um, and I'm glad we finally got to do this. Well, my pleasure. Thank you, you know, for your time and for interesting and

questions.