Jaguars Happy Hour | Draft Approaching, Analyzing Potential Rule Changes in '26

0:00It is Thursday, March 26th. This is Jack Wars, Appy Owl. And now the 4th K-Pob Demon Hunter, J-E-P, Jack Raid. I have no idea what that means, but welcome in. It is Jaguars, Appy Owl. It is an hour. It is on radio. It is on Jaguars YouTube and is on Jaguars.com. Here is what will be contained in the show today. Here's what's coming up, of course. The latest Jaguars news. That won't take long. It's not much going on. We'll also get into the Jaguars new office building. Open this week. We'll take a look at that real quick. Proposed rule changes are out. The NFL annual meeting is next week. And we'll give a thumbs up, thumbs down from Jeff Logamon on some of these proposed changes. We'll go around the national football league as well. Some other teams are a little busier at least in the headlines than the Jaguars these days. We're on 10 to the next

1:01LAM. Glad you're with us, JP Shadrick with Jeff Logamon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. It's kind of quiet across the league right now. If something's happening right now, it's one of those like third or fourth or fifth level kind of transaction on the roster that it's getting publicized and it'll reason it's getting publicized because there's nothing else happening. Like the Jaguars thing last week, Jake Bobo, they gave it off her sheet and the Seahawks matched it. That's the story, right? And I was reading, you know, Pro Football talk is one of my favorite sites to read. You know, because it's like a gathering point of information and they were talking about how, you know, the whole critique of the college quarterbacks now is big news now. And that's kind of, you know, now the focus is starting to move towards the draft. And that's really where it's at now. So when you have somebody make any kind of comments about Fernandez being maybe not the first pick overall, it creates a firestorm of debate.

2:06I mean, that's where we're at right now, kind of crazy. It is. But it is what it is. But I like the fact that the league meetings are coming up. Would you just call him Fernandez? What did I say? He said Fernandez. I'm like, who the hell is Fernandez? Fernandez, Fernandez. Thank you. I did a more of the first and last name there. Who's that? Thank you for the help on that one. Anyway, that was a good one. Yeah, that was a good one. He's here. He's clear cut the first pick. Oh, they're going to take him. Now the argument is, is he the best quarterback? I don't know. There's not many out there. Ty Simpson said he's definitely a first round pick after his pro day. Yeah. Well, I mean, one of the top 32. I mean, and one of the top quarterbacks. I mean, it's premium position. And that's, that's news, right? I guess. I don't think there's any doubt, though, who the number one pick is going to be. I mean, just, just look at the body of work and look at the leadership,

3:06look at the performance in the big games, look at the accuracy. I mean, he's got everything you could possibly want. I think he's a true pocket passer. There will be, I think, a little bit of a learning curve is there always is for first overall picks, especially because of the quality of the roster that the Raiders have. I mean, that's a big question mark. So unfortunately, a lot of first overall picks, Trevor Lawrence walks into a situation that's not exactly optimal. There's a reason the team has the first round pick. Exactly. Because they stink usually. Well, the Raiders really stink. I mean, that's, you know, the Jaguar stunk back when Trevor Lawrence was the first overall pick. And they really stunk then and the Raiders really stink now. Yeah. So they had lost 15 straight at that point when they had the Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. So then they made it, what, a 20 in a row? Well, that's, that's the, you know, and I think it's going to be interesting too at some point because, you know, the Raiders tanked to get the first overall pick. And now there's this big debate going on with the NBA about how do you stop teams from tanking?

4:07You know, so will that debate maybe flow into the NFL's draft? I mean, I don't know, will it? Because I mean, the reality is is that the Raiders tanked. They shut down Max Crosby at the end of the year. Why did they shut him down? Well, I mean, they shut him down to protect himself a little bit based upon the failed physical with the trade to Baltimore. But I mean, he also claimed he wasn't hurt. So he was hurt. Yeah, but he was hurt. But he didn't, he claimed he wasn't. He was, he was unhappy with not playing. He was very unhappy with not playing. But I believe that the Raiders were trying to protect him from himself. But it's same token guys have played, put it this way. The Raiders were in contention for a playoff spot. Do you think they would have shut him down? No, I don't think so. No. No chance. No chance. You know, so I don't know. I think it's going to be interesting to see, you know, could that possibility happen with the NFL to where you get? You know, it's a lottery type system and you don't know who's going to have the first overall pick.

5:09So you get teams not tanking. I hate that lottery. Why? Just come on, man. Like, just do, do it like they do now and just penalize teams if there's actual evidence. JP, everybody tanks. What do you mean? Actual evidence. They just stunk. You don't think they tanked? I don't think so. I don't think they actually tanked. I mean, I've got point. You just said they did. I just thought they were bad. Well, I mean, look, look at the recent past. The NFL was trying to tank games. His last year's head coach to get the first round pick for the next guy. I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think he was tank. Come on, man. But the tiered, there's been teams that have tanked JP. Come on. Oh, I'm not, I'm not challenging that. Yeah. The teams have tanked in the NFL. And what, like I said, will that, will that debate reach the NFL about possibly having a lottery for the picks? I don't know.

6:09I don't know. We'll see. What time will you do? You don't like that idea. Not a big fan of the lottery. Like, then that gives all the sudden a chance at least for a team that's pretty good to have the first pick. Which, if you want parity to maintain in the league, who said they want parity? The league wants parity. Well, I mean, that's what they want. You have free agency, right? Sure. Okay. So. Okay. So you can compete. Make your team better. And free agency. Yeah. For a short time. For a better, develop better. Okay. Just because you have maybe a higher pick doesn't necessarily mean you're going to make the better pick. True. I mean, there's been many of teams. This team included. I mean, this team might be the shining example of, and not recently, but I'm talking about going back and look at the last year, but life would say the 15 years prior to that. I mean, you want to talk about a perfect example of drafting poorly. I mean, this team drafted incredibly poorly. Right.

7:09And so. Well, okay. They had higher picks. Did it reward them? Well, when they got the first pick, did we get better? Did we get better? In the first pick? With the picks they got with the number one pick? Yeah. Yes. With Trevor Lawrence. Right. But those are elite gold level players. To many drafts before that. How much better did a team ever get? It was pretty good. It was pretty good. It was a pain in the ass to deal with, but it was pretty good. How good was the team when he was here? One good year? Yeah. Yeah. No matter if it's the same thing. One good year? That's my point. Okay. You've got the teams that draft well. Draft well. Whether it's the first pick, or whether it's pick 32. Okay. The good teams find ways to get better because they draft well. So that's why I believe that a draft lottery. I would be in favor of a draft lottery. To keep teams from tanking towards the end of the season. I would absolutely be for that.

8:09We're on to tonight's LAM Jaguars.com Jaguars YouTube. It is Jaguars Happy Hour from the Hyundai Studios. And test drive a new Hyundai today. Only at your local Hyundai dealer. We're at the Miller Electric Center across the street. Some Jaguars offices officially opened this week. The ribbon cutting at one tower court. Is that what happened earlier this week on Wednesday. In fact, and Jaguars team president Mark Lamping. They are down a dig in. We're there bunch of dignitaries, city council people. All in attendance. And the first class A office building open in the downtown Jacksonville area. And nearly 20 years 2007. I think was the last one. The Jaguars business offices will hold the second, third and fourth floors. There are tenants scheduled to move into the fifth and sixth floors. There's a YMCA location on the ground floor that is open to any YMCA member in the Duval County area. And there will be a restaurant that opens very soon on the ground floor as well.

9:12It's fantastic space for the Jaguars business offices. There were tours held right after the ribbon cutting outside. So progress on that side. That means all the business people are out of the stadium. So construction can continue there. And that's where the home will be for the business office for from now on. I think it's one of the, if not the most one of the most spectacular buildings in all of downtown. Okay, architecture is beautiful on the outside. And the inside I know is absolutely going to be no slouch compared to the outside just because the design and the talents of Shana Khan. Involved in that whole process, man. And I can't wait. I'm going to take a tour sometime in the next week. It's pretty nice. And check it out. And then of course the hotel right next door moving along very well. And Shana very much involved in that in the design interior design. Certainly of that. They're not quite to that point yet, but it's coming and it's moving fast.

10:14So all that side of the, what is that? Gator bull drive, I guess, officially over there. Is that what it is? Is that what that is still? Or is it based face drive? Does it end it like Philip Randolph? I don't know where Gator bull drive starts. I should know this. I drive on it every day. I don't know what I'm doing. But it changes, you say. From base somewhere to Gator bull drive. Somewhere in there. Why should it should be Jaguar drive? It's, I mean, I don't know. I mean, look at the attempts of the Gator bull and look at the attempts of the Jaguar. It should be, it's history. I don't know. One Jaguar drive. Been here forever. Jaguar drive. Just my, my opinion. Okay. But what a beautiful building. Great building. And the marina is supposed to be open fairly soon. The city marina right there. And there'll be a couple more restaurants. I think in that. And then a couple more in the hotel. And that opens up. That's the part I'm looking forward to. Kind of that revitalization. Yeah. And Lampig said there's going to be like five restaurants combined in that area. And I'm going to have to take a trip into the why. Yeah. It's good. I got, I got a membership at the why. I'm going to give me a workout in over there.

11:15You like to work out? Yeah. Yeah. Trying to keep this whole body together a little bit, JP, you know. But it's a beautiful building. And what's really cool too is when if people ever have a chance to ride up and down the river via a boat. The backside of the building. How it's, it's, it's almost like layered stepped with the balconies all looking across the river. It's beautiful. Yeah, it's awesome. Beautiful. Beautiful. So. How's the fishing in that part of the river, by the way? It's actually, I got about, probably about, well, actually about eight spots within view of if you were sitting. Oh, yeah. I guess a little bit spot. I don't need you to share them on the radio. No, of course. No, can't share them. What a really good, like ride across. Right across the river by BK. Kind of. Yeah. Maybe. Okay. Maybe a little bit to the east. Okay. All right. Good to know. Just asking for a friend. That's it.

12:15Yeah. There's a certain octagon, octagon shaped dock. I'm not going to try that one. Imagine that. All right. There's only one in that section of the river. So it will be hard to find. Well, there you go. Good luck figuring this hideout. It's tough for the tide moving. Oh, it's just, you know, you got to hit it the right time. That's all. Enough said. Maybe we can hear more on Saturday in the outdoors. Maybe. Maybe not. Probably not. Knowing you. We're back in a moment. This is the annual when we come back, Jeff. This is one of your favorite segments all year long. Mm-hmm. Proposed rule changes by the NFL. Yeah. We'll get thumbs up, thumbs down, and maybe some more comment here. How many proposed rule changes do we have? Five. Five. We're going to go through all of them. Okay. When we come back. I'm prepared. I can't wait to hear this. Plenty ahead. 10 to the next L.A.M. Jaguars.com. Jaguars YouTube. It's Jaguars Happy Hour.

13:19Welcome back. Jaguars Happy Hour. Continues on this Thursday, March 26th. Almost April. JP Shadrick. Jeff Longman. Glad you were with us. 10 to the next L.A.M. Jaguars.com. Jaguars YouTube. Kind of quiet. On the Jaguars offices these days, at least on this side of the building. The football sides have been meetings, pre-draft, you know, probably some more free agency things going on as well. That's out of the building and the scouting department may be more active than at any other time of the year. This is their season. This is their season. Yeah, this is it. Yeah, this is their season, man. It's happening. There's a lot going on over there. Yeah. There's got to be a lot of kind of symmetry working together with the coaching staff because you know, look, I'll never forget one of one of the one of the longtime personnel guy that I talked to years ago said to me, said, look, he said, you never want to draft somebody that the coaching staff doesn't believe or support because if all of a sudden you give them

14:19somebody that they didn't want any part of, what's that going to look like? I mean, it's and so you got to have everybody kind of running that same direction on the same stage, whatever you want us kind of say from scouting and coaching. So they've got to be working. I don't want to say hand in hand, but they have to make sure that they're in agreement whenever they do make a big 100% and you know, you know, it'll always happen around here, Jake. Going back to that poor drafting stretch that we had as an organization. We're looking forward logs. We're not looking back. I think it exists now. That's what I'm saying. I'm excited for it because of we actually have that now. I mean, I remember here in past GM's talk about all this, you know, consensus stuff and it was total garbage. It was total garbage because it didn't happen. I remember after the draft to give you a perfect example, after the draft one time, the drafts of the guy and any names come on now, we don't need to happen to talk to one of the position coach. I said, Hey, what did you think about so and so they're like, don't like them.

15:21Like, what? You haven't a consensus and so anyway, yeah, all right. This is one of your favorite segments each and every year logs. I just say that. I don't know if that's true. I didn't ask you before, but I'm just going to say it, okay, because it feels like it is. Say it. It feels like it's one of your favorite segments. It is. Proposed rule. Here's why. Why? Here's why. Yeah. Every year, there's some executives, football people that have entirely too much time on their hands. And then whenever something goes wrong, they want to propose a rules that might have changed the outcome of some unfortunate circumstance that they found themselves in this past year. Like, for example, when the Saints got screwed in the playoff game, and the next year, they made past interference for a viewable for a year. Correct. That was ridiculous. Correct. And, of course, they overturned it after one year because it was stupid. Yes. Okay. The push. Last year, there are two votes away, logs, right from passing that and banning it.

16:24This year, it's not one of the five why? Because the Eagles lost, well, because the Eagles lost number one, and the success rate of the push push went down 100%, not 100% that's not the percentage. It went down. 100% of why it did go down 100% you're still using it, you know what I mean? The crazy thing that happened to the Rams, with that one play where the ball was kind of bouncing around and got recovered by the two point play, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the playoff. Now, we got to have a proposed rule change on that. They were originally talking about it. That's not on the list. I know. They decided not to do it, but they were saying they were going to do it. Oh, you say a lot of things. And then only a few get through the competition committee and then to ownership. I just hope, you know, before we get to obviously these proposed rule changes, okay? I hope that there is some type of resolution with the officials, the referees, now that's one of them. And the reason why I bring that up now is that you can have all the best rules in the

17:25world, okay? But if you don't have quality officials, and I'm talking about the best, okay, officiating your games, that's a problem. And you also have to be able to make and help them be at their best. So get the right people in and make sure you give them the right training. And they also commit themselves in the right way to make it the best that it possibly can be. But anyway, just got a little sidetracked there. But because the reason I say that, I think sometimes all the rule changes doesn't matter, unless you have really good officials execute the game. We saw what happened the one year they were holding out, and they had to replace officials in. There was a term for that JP. And it's a two word combination. The first word I can't say, the second word show, okay, I got you. I got it. Yes. It wasn't good. It was not great. No, it wasn't terrible. No. And, you know, so we'll see what happens on that front.

18:27Everybody gives the referees an official's grief, however, I think they do all in all of fantastic. I think they do a great job. It's a very fast sport. And you have to call things live in an action. You know, out of them, you cannot review JP. There's been many times in the booth where I said, I can't believe they're going to make that call. I see the replay and I go, wow, they're right. I hear that every Sunday. I know you. I know you. I know you. I just make them stay. It's just like, what? He's all over these guys today. You know, and here's something, you know, there's people are reading a lot right now about the negotiations going on between the league and the referees right now, officials. And you got to remember, you know, because right now they're not, it's not a happy moment right now between the two. That's part of the game, okay, it's part of the game of negotiations. Things never get serious until the clock starts ticking. And unfortunately, that's the way that it works sometimes. And I hope that as the clock does start to tick, that there is, there is some agreement

19:32and there's a resolution. You're going to see rhetoric from both sides. Right now, there's a lot of rhetoric right now because nobody's on the clock. That's right. I mean, we're still a long way away from games. Then until you start getting close to the games, then, then there's no kind of urgency. Here are the proposed rule changes this year all through the competition committee. They'll be bandied about next week at the NFL annual meeting. Number one, they're proposing to permit the kicking team to declare an on-side kick at any time during the game. As it stands now, you can only do it in the fourth quarter. No, I like that. I think it's great. And why not? I mean, the unfortunate thing is that this year there's no surprise. Because you have to, that's the share, right? Why would you do one in the second quarter? Well, here's why, okay, for example, let's say all of a sudden, the team that, so the scoring team scores, and on the scoring play,

20:35the defense has a penalty. It's going to be enforced on the kickoff, okay? And then you opt to do an on-side kick. Now, does that move? The kick point for the on-side kick more forward? That's good. Okay, if that's the case, then, you know what? Would you consider an on-side kick in the midfield area? So even if you don't make the recovery, that your opponent doesn't have field position on the plus side of the field, I mean, there's some spot that maybe you would, or in a situation that you may do it where you're not, it's in the first or the second quarter. So I'm okay with that. I don't know if it would be used a lot, maybe a very rare situation. But yeah, I'm fine. Why not? Let him do it. Rule? What do you think? Yeah, why not? Let him do it too much. Yeah, that's fine. You want to do it? Why not? You know, that's fine if you, whatever. It's your on-side kick. But, I mean, I still, I don't know, I still love the old style where you can just kick and

21:38surprise people. But those days are over. I do too, but it's long gone, so I mean, it's, you know, it's like talking to an empty room. I also like the wishbone, so whatever. That's fine. Rule number two, to eliminate the kicking teams incentive to intentionally kick the ball out of bounds when kicking off from the 50 yard line. Very confusing. So you get the, if it's a kick out of bounds, it's a certain amount of yardage from where the ball was kicked, where the ball, the receiving team gets the football. So when there was a penalty, let's say on the extra point, the kickoff would be at midfield, it's more advantageous for the kicking team to kick it out of bounds, because they get it like the 20. Instead of letting them return it to the 30, whatever. Right. So that's why you saw a few instances last year of teams intentionally kicking it out of bounds on the kickoff, and I saw on the Thanksgiving game, Chiefs Cowboys, that happened at one point. Now in the first half, and I was like, what in the world's going on? What is he doing? Why are you kicking out a horrible kick? Because nothing of 40. No, they, they did it on purpose.

22:40Yeah. And so there's some of that. They want to, there's a proposal to eliminate that. Yeah. I'm a little in a gray area, JP, and usually I'm not very in the gray area when it comes to things, but I want to learn more about what they want to replace it with. I would say, I'm guessing here, you'd replace it with, if it's out of bounds, you get it at X-yard line no matter what. Instead of so many yards from the kicking spot, which is in the rulebook now, I think just the wording would probably have to change. Like you get it at the 40, no matter what. Yeah. I would think that, I don't, I don't think, no, no. Because I mean, then you're kind of eliminating the penalty, you know, the whole purpose of the penalty was to penalize the receiving team. No, no, the, the penalty is to penalize the kicking team for kicking it out of bounds. Correct. So give the receiving team the ball to 40, that eliminate, if you kick it out of bounds, under the current rules, though, they get it where? That like the 20. Right. So, so helps the kicking team. But here's my question. And here's my question. The team that should be penalized.

23:40Let's go back to the original penalty, which the penalty was allowing the kickoff team to kick from the 50, which they subsequently would kick it out of bounds, and the receiving team would get it at the 20. I think it's 25. I think it's 25 yards away. Right. Right. Right. Right. So I mean, the original penalty was designed to penalize the receiving team. So if they can just kick it out of bounds and they take over at the 25, they got penalized for the previous penalty. I'm okay with that. Hmm. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Interesting. So why should we kind of take away the penalty? The perspective. Going back on the scoring play, and anyway, I just don't, I think the way it is, I think it's totally fine. Huh. I think you need to leave it as is. You think, okay. All right. Yeah. I like that. Unless you've got, unless there's some way to still have the original penalized team still be penalized. So then in other words, I need more information as to how we're going to replace the current

24:42system. That's a great perspective. Logs. Okay. This is why we do this each year. I like this. You have deep thoughts about each one of these. Let's go to number three. Hmm. To modify kickoff alignment requirements for receiving team players in the setup zone. So this is deep football special teams where guys are lining up and, you know, then the line is great. They have to be certain amount of players and certain zones. Yeah. They got to be spatial. Yeah. Related. No, certain number only allowed on this side versus that side at the beak. Right. If they're talking about this, then special teams coordinators around the league have been involved in way too much time to come up with this proposal. But there's probably a reason I would like to know what. And I think we're not going to find it out right here. Let's talk to Jack special teams coaches here. I'm sure he's a little bit more on that one. All right. Number four, to allow league personnel to consult with on field officials when considering disqualifications for both flaglant football acts and non-football acts without being called on the field. So essentially, this is allowing New York to come in and throw a flag after the fact

25:46for like a punch or a flagrant football act, like hitting the quarterback high. I mean, what's the purpose of, I mean, that's why you have officials on the field. Yeah. And here's the part that I think that is very interesting. Okay. Tell me again about the process. You said, well, we're going to send it to New York and let them do a replay guy or whoever. There's somebody else that's not on the field. Who is whoever? Who is New York? A great question. Is it, um, is it, a bunch of guys drinking beer watching games going, man, did you see that? Hey, let's make sure he gets a flag. I mean, who is that? They don't drink beer in the replay room. What are their training? What are, what are their qualifications to, to make judgments from New York in games? Who are they? If it's a, if it's an identified, let's say, panel of former officials that are handpicked

26:48that have earned their way to sit in that seat in New York to make those decisions. Okay. Well, here's at least, let me ask you something here, JP, okay? Any decision that's ever gone back to New York, okay? Any decision that's gone back to New York. Do you have any idea who made that decision? There is a, from what I understand, the process usually is this. There is a person monitoring each game. There are people in that room that monitor the game and I think it's the head, the league official, whoever that top person is now is a Vincent, I think Troy's in that room. I believe. However, there's a person monitoring each game, that's with that lead person in the middle. You can't watch eight games at once. You have to have somebody to take, come over here and take a look at this. And this is New York now looking at it. Yeah, I'm okay. That's I think the process now. Now, the question of this rule is that can that person, oh, we saw they missed a headshot

27:50on the quarterback. Let's buzz them and throw the flag on the defensive end. I'm okay. That's the, the rule chains are considering. I'm okay if that's what they want to do, okay, but there's got to be some type of, I guess you used to say clarity, okay, to, to, for us to understand who is New York, who are these people, okay, if you're not going to talk about who that is and what their qualifications are and how that process works when it comes from New York, okay, where they can buzz into a game to me. It's like it's under this veil of secrecy. Why? Why? If you can make it to where it is very easy for people to understand the whole process of how it works and what's the word I'm looking for as far as like it's very clear and

28:51as people aren't hiding anything, there's a term and I'm dropping the ball on exactly what the term is. But if everybody understands what the process is in New York and how it works and what the so-called chain of command and who the people are that are making those decisions and we know that they're qualified, okay, I'm okay with that, but they're, that's not there right now. And unless they, I'm looking at, here's what I'm looking at. This is the football operations website, the official site that has all the rules, has everything on it. And an instant replay, part five of the review, instant replay field operator will bring the referee a surface tablet, referee will view the play after, referee will use the play with that. A senior designated member of the officiating department will make the final decision on the review. And who is that? There's no, I mean, there's multiple people, I believe. But that's the part that I don't, I don't, I'm sure they probably tell them internally who it is. Well, they've never, well, they've never said anything ever about any decision that has come from New York in the past, they've never said, hey, so and so made this call from New

29:51York on this, okay? That's why I believe that you got to have, you got to make sure that people can see everything for what it is and understand who is making those decisions. If you're going to have this secrecy about who New York is and who's making those calls and who senior official officiating is, then to me, that's, that's not good. This is just you being all over the officials again. This is the reason. No, that's what I'm saying. The responsibility should stay with the officials on the field. Let's get one more rule. This is the fifth and final one, and this is a proposal for one year only to allow the NFL officiating department to correct clear and obvious misses made by on field officials that impact the game in the event that there is a workstoppage involving game officials represented by the NFL referees association. So only if there's a workstoppage, would the NFL officiating department be able to change clear and obvious changes on the field? They were setting something up just in case. Just in case. So you're saying there's a chance rhetoric of, yeah, I'm not, I mean, you know what I mean?

30:59And so we're going to, and so again, who's the officiating department? Who is that? There you go. Okay. What are their names and how does that process work? Okay. Whether you have the high quality officials that we want to see on the field or whether it's a band of Mary Men replacement, okay? Are you still want to understand who those people are in New York? Just trying to say, I mean, it's, if you just make it known, let's go back and develop another flashback here in Jaguar's history. I can't wait to do this. Okay. How long did we not know who was calling plays under with Doug Peterson and our offense was a year plus. Yeah. Okay. Well, they did it for a year and didn't tell anybody that they were changing it. Okay. So if you just answered the question, you know, and you were just like upfront and honest and made it, made it clear, do you think the questions would have continued?

32:02Probably not, but I think that was part of the strategy from the head coach at that time. You know what? Let's make them study both. Study what? Right. Play call. Play callers. You don't know. You don't know. You think they actually studied them guessing? No. Or give them, don't give them the answer. Create them. Yes. You just created more questions that continued to be asked about your organization and your staff. That's true. And so my point is, is that if you just go ahead and lay it out there, okay, instead of trying to hold back information and make it very clear, here's how the process is going to work. Here's the people that sit in that chair and they're going to be doing this and that guy's going to be doing that. That's how it's going to work. Then people will go, okay, that's cool. Okay. Then maybe we could have that process installed, maybe next week, we'll have probably some resolutions on some of this because the league meetings are early next week. Yeah. It's a, the time, the clock's not ticking yet on the official stuff yet.

33:04That's not going to happen next week. No, but like the rule changes will be voted next week. The rule changes. Yeah, we'll be Monday and Tuesday. That'll happen next week. We'll have a thrilling conclusion of that next Thursday. We're back in a moment. We'll go around the NFL. We also have to talk to computers coming up in just a little bit as we always do on Thursday. What is? We're going to talk to the computer. What's the question? The computer is going to tell me what's the category that we're going to ask the computer. Do we have a category? Former Jaguars quarterbacks. Oh, good one. Back in a moment, it's Jaguars Happy Hour. Welcome back. It is Jaguars Happy Hour, J.P. Shadrick, Jeff Login from the Hyundai Studios at the Miller Electric Center. We're on TentonXL AM Jaguars.com, Jaguars YouTube, each and every Thursday for an hour in the off season. We also have a lot of podcasts that comes up on the official Jaguars podcast network Wednesday afternoons, Jags AM on Tuesdays. I'm going backwards in the week, but that's Tuesday mornings at 10 o'clock on Jaguars.com.

34:08So we keep you going with content throughout the off season. And coming up in just a little bit of time, week or two, maybe a little further than that. The hunt will come back into play again. Outstanding. So they're working on that heart. That's one of my favorite things to watch. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It is cool. You can't get access like that anywhere else. No wear for the Jaguars. So check that out coming up in the few weeks. Let's go around the national football league. We mentioned this really quiet in terms of news for Jaguars. Wait a minute. Can we just go back just for now? What? You forgot that we were going to go back there and break we talked about this because there was a word that I was looking for when it came to this possibility of a rule change that involves New York. Okay. And the one thing that hasn't existed in the process of New York being involved in the past has been the word and I was looking for transparency. You found it. Well, you found it.

35:08I found it. I didn't realize you were looking for it. If there's transparency with having a panel of people involved, whether it's for unqualified new officials that were replacing the good officials with or whether it's to help the good officials in certain moments of a game that they may not see if there's transparency that I'm okay with it. But if there's not transparency, then why would there not be? Then why have them involved at all? I mean, because the way it's set up now is that the guys and the officials on the field and girls and ladies on the field are responsible for what they do. So now we're going to have something to where they get overruled or gets changed from New York and then we don't know who made that decision. What if it's the right call? If there's transparency, JP, again, I'm all for it.

36:09Okay. But there's got to be transparency. And then so just like after a game, okay, they have a pool reporter that is available to talk to an official, the referee, the referee of the game. Okay, if they're, if you're going to make him available after the game and then you're going to have somebody that's involved from New York, okay, why would you not have them available for comment if that call certainly impacts the game and what if they're involved and they make a call, then with transparency, that person should be available for comment after the game just like the referee of the game. I appreciate your candor of this. Okay. We're going to move along. We're going to go around the national. I'm okay with that. By the way, thank you for the help of the word. I don't know if I even used the right word there in candor. I don't know. I just made that up. I don't know if the word you did use help with help. Transparency. Yes. Thank you. No, you know what? I did candor.

37:09It was right. Look at that. I went to the Harvard of the South, logs. NFL this week announcing that the 2026 kickoff game presented by YouTube TV scheduled for Wednesday, September 9th, 820 p.m. on NBC and Peacock with the Super Bowl 60 champion Seattle Seahawks. It will be in Seattle. The opponent to be determined. And then the next day, Thursday, September 10th in the US. This game will be in Melbourne, Australia. The 49ers in the Rams, 835 p.m. Eastern at the Melbourne Cricket Ground. That means that game will kick off at 1135 a.m. Australian time on the next day, Friday, 15 hours ahead. They're not crazy about that. I think that's cool, man. Having a game in Australia. Now nine international games on the schedule this year, four continents, seven countries, eight stadiums. How many clips of crocodile, Dundee might we see? A lot. Leading up to and during that game. Well, that a knife.

38:10This is a knife. Raiders minority owner Tom Brady told Alex Sherman of CNBC that when he looked into the rules, it was made clear by the league that he cannot be an owner and a player at the same time. Quote, we explored a lot of different things and I'm very happy we were tired, end quote. He'd have to sell a steak in the team. He's not doing. No, he's not selling a steak because he got a, he got a sweetheart deal. He was doing some like flag football stuff this week. That's why this came out there. Did you see the ratings? No. I think they heard her like only 600,000 people that watched that flag football broadcast. You compare that to any other broadcast football and just it's peanuts and then of course also the NFL players got a quick dose of reality when you've got these guys that do flag football on a regular basis and play and train and live in that world.

39:11NFL players, it's a different game, a totally different game. So it's going to be interesting to see if they are going to try to assimilate NFL players into this flag football. And the NFL would love to have NFL players because I mean it's great publicity, right? If you're trying to sell your game as the greatest football in the world, why would you not want to have your football players in the flag football, Olympics, et cetera playing in 2028, LA Olympics, I think it's going to be a really interesting watch for two reasons. One, can the NFL players play now? I think they're like cornerbacks, wide receivers, nickelbacks, the slot receivers, the guy that have a lot of quick change of direction, I think those guys are going to be perfect fit. I think a lot of the other guys are going to be like linebackers, tight ends. I think it's going to be a little bit difficult for them. It's got to be fast moving guys. And so how many players will play in that?

40:17I think that's going to be an interesting watch. I played some flag football in college. I got more. I used to coach flag football. I got four penalty flags for chirping at the officials shocking that you didn't. Did you get through? I nodded. I know I always get thrown out of it. I was always good with the officials. Me and making bad calls, what do you want? I was an assistant coach on one of the best flag football teams ever. It's called the Hunters. And coach Kirby was the head coach. I was the assistant. We're the rankings for these teams by the whole time. Well, you go back and look at it. I didn't know you just see today did that. None enough that we were one of the best. And we had a very talented team. I was the defensive coordinator. Chris was the offensive coordinator. We were really good. Yeah, we played a good group. A good group. Congrats. We had a battle. Is there a medal for that? It played about a four year run that we were just dominant. Is there a championship ring? No, no, no, no, no, no, just bragging rights. OK. You know, kind of kind of like that Al Bundy memory. You know, like we're the greatest ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

41:18Congrats. That's awesome. One more piece of new Seahawks receiver Jackson Smith and Jake was signed a four year 168 million dollar contract extension. What's one of that guaranteed 42 million a year average over two million more year than Jamar Chase for the highest ever for a wide receiver, which that's new money average. Yeah. So if you look at the average with the current contract that he has, it's obviously not 42 million. But it takes away some of the risks. The risk now goes to the club. So if he gets hurt, he says a ton of money that's going to be guaranteed to him, which I mean, that's kind of the the yin and the yang of a player, right? OK, do you do you take a contract now? And it may be not be as much money as what it could be a couple of years from now. But if you do that, then the risk of injury is in your court. OK, if you sign it now, then the risk falls on the team because they have

42:20guaranteed money that they have to pay to you. And so as a player, that's always the thing that you're trying to figure out, OK? Do I get that money now and maybe take a little less of what I could make? Or do I take it later and get more? But I still have the risk of injury until I get that contract. You know, whenever I hear, and he's a fantastic player, obviously, first team all pro to your pro bowl or all that. And we saw it firsthand here, what he can do. He's amazing, he's amazing player. Whenever his name or any of these other names, I just think about the wide receiver room they had at Ohio State in 2021. Here are the names in the wide receiver room. Take your pick on what year, JP? Yeah, and they had a number of years in the row. But 2021, especially Garrett Wilson in Mecca, Ibuka, Chris Olave, Jackson Smith and Jigba, Marvin Harrison, Jr. All on the same team, all first round picks. And they lost two games out here. They lost to Oregon and then to Michigan. Yeah, but who's the quarterback?

43:21CJ Stroud. The whole time? Yes. Like that was the team and they somehow lost two games. That's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing. It's wild. It just goes to show you that college football is a lot different than the NFL. You think? 100%. Yeah, it's just, you know, it's a different sport. That's why college football has, I've never been a big fan of college football because, you know, that word that you used a little while ago, parody, okay? Okay. So like University of Virginia can't compete with Ohio State, okay? University of Virginia can't compete with Alabama. They can't. The payrolls aren't the same. Okay. Well, in theory, now, like there's enough, like the Yankees, right, what's the Yankees payroll now? And they just pay the luxury tax because they can pay through the nose and do it. Imagine, imagine, then compare to the royals, right? Imagine them compare to the royals, but no luxury tax. That's, yeah. Yeah.

44:21I think the royals will have no chance. There you go. There's our look around the National Football League. We're going to talk to the computer, actually, we're going to type something to the computer. And then we're going to get an answer. And former Jaguar quarterbacks is the category. It is. I like it. How long are we going? How far back are we going? A minute. Not too far. Okay. Yeah. So recent. You recognize this guy. Okay. All right. Yeah, you'd recognize him. And find out. And I'm the stretch of Jaguar's happy hour. Welcome back. It is Jaguar's happy hour, JP Shadrick. Jeff Loughlin here. You fell out of his chair as we come back from this break. Hi, Jeff. You good? I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good.

45:22I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. You. Here comes another part of the program that you love. We go to the computer. Okay. And who are we asking? Microsoft Copilot. Okay. Now that's like a form of, hey, I, it is. It's what it is. That what is the Jaguar's franchise record for single season passing cards is the question. This week, the answer. You probably know it. Blake Vortals holds the Jaguar's single season passing yard record of 4,428 yards set in the 2015 NFL season. Check out Microsoft co-pilot. And the computer will talk back to you. Open the pod bay doors. How that's pretty cool. Yeah, and Blake. Yeah, you know, and he still has it. Trevor's had two different 4,000 yard passing season, including last year. And we'll see one day. They like to run the ball, but here's the real thing. Let's break it one day. I mean, how many how what was the most amount of games

46:25that Blake played in a season? It's probably that year. No, no, no, I mean, I'm talking about like the number of games in a season. I wasn't 16 back then. That's right. That's a good point. Yeah, they changed. They've added a game. Good point. Thank you. So Blake has the record and it's with 16 games. Yes. I mean, here's the thing. One of my all-time favorite Jaguar quarterbacks is Blake Vortals. Loved him as a guy. Good dude. Yeah. Tough as nails. The kind of personality that you wanted to have in your huddle. And did he have the the prettiest throw in motion? No, that his balls spin in a beautiful way. No, but he was just he's tough. I mean, he's tough. He was gritty. Guys followed him. There was a lot to like about Blake Vortals.

47:27And I wish we could see him around here with some of the alumni stuff more. Yeah, because we don't ever see him. He's in town, I think. I don't get him to come out. That would be interesting. I mean, you got to think about. I mean, when that it didn't end great, you know, not the way he wanted it, I don't think. Well, it rarely does, right? I mean, it never does. Never does. But, you know, it is what it is. And again, like I said, one of the all-time great Jaguar guys that you could ever have. And I mean, think about I mean, he made huge fan of his a ton of money in the NFL. That's second kind of good for him. It's awesome. I'll never forget. And this is this is and I'm not saying this to to slide him in any way. I'll never forget the first practice that I ever saw, man. And if I remember correctly, it was like a like a rookie, minicamp. And at that rookie minicamp, I was standing next to Marcus Pollard. And

48:32it was I've one of the very first passes that Blake threw in the practice in it. And I'm probably dating myself, but it looked like a Billy Kilmer throw. You are dating yourself. Okay, Billy Kilmer, when I grew up, he was one of the Washington Redskins at the time, quarterbacks. And he wasn't known for spinning it tight, you know, kind of wobbled a little bit and Blake made it throw in this minicamp. And it was, it didn't look very good. I mean, it was, it was, it was, to be honest, whether it was bad. And I'm sitting next to Marcus though. Marcus, Marcus looked at me. We're like, that's our first round pick quarterback. And obviously things got better because he had tremendous season, which is season record passing yards in Jaguars history. And he led the team on a magical run that was absolutely incredible. And yeah, I'm a big fan of Blake's. We'll see if Trevor Lawrence can surpass him at some point in the singing season yard. Yeah, you would think that he would, right? But,

49:35you know, and the one thing that I always appreciate about Blake, tough as nails and gritty would always sacrifice his body to get that extra yard always. Absolutely, absolutely. That'll do it. Hey, what's coming up NFL annual meeting next week, the owners meetings. So the should know the Jaguar's home game location for 2027 by next week's show. No on-site coverage for us from the owners meetings this year. Jeff will talk to you next week. You got Jeff Logamon, JP Shadricker. Thanks to Joe Fortunano, David Cho Brent Reaver. Thanks to you for watching and listening. It's Jaguar's happy hour.