I Think I'll Spring for a New One

0:00This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. I think I'll go ahead and spring for a new one. It's one more thing. I'm strong and giddy. One more thing. Because part of this conversation won't include the second hand sex doll market. Oh boy! Oh boy. I was thinking of what interest we could do, and I came up with this one. Not tonight, dear. I have a software update. That's pretty funny. The fact that these are going to be so expensive, we're going to talk about sex dolls here, that there will be a second hand market for it. I've been known to wear it. I buy you shoes. I get used coats. I got used lots of things. I'm going new if I ever decide to, and I don't think I will, by a sex doll. Here's a point to be made, though, as I am the thrifty sort as you are. I'll give you, for instance, I own a golf cart. I use it to play golf,

1:00and transport myself about the neighborhood. They're so good, because they're so modular. If something breaks, you know, unscrew it, you screw on the new one. You can swap out like anything on the frame on a good golf cart. So you're thinking if the VJJ is on the Fritz? That's, or if you'd prefer not to go where others have been. Yeah! You just swap it out to get a new one. I'm thinking of a review mirror on a golf cart. Gotcha. Well, yeah, I used carbon-new engine. Yeah, I find myself advocating for something I find important. Anyway, back to you. So, the sex doll market is exploding. They got the numbers here, just in terms of billions of dollars spent. Two years ago, last year, and what they project for five years from now, a couple of things are converging at the same time. The technology around making a sex doll, the fake skin, the fake hair, the bendable joints. Oh, boy.

2:00And then the AI happening at the same time to where it can react to you, talk to you. But can it cook? That was for all the guys who've heard those terrible sexist jokes through the years. Or me, I will pay this much if you do my paperwork. Can you go through this mail and get everything to the DMV on time? I'll leave you alone. I won't touch it. You do the paperwork. You do the paperwork instead of sex. You do paperwork. That'd be awesome. How about house cleaning? Anyway, back to the sex dolls. A quick scroll, a quick scroll on the doll forum website finds members regularly pit real-life women against their silicone knockoffs, one writing that girlfriends are for guys who haven't found the right doll yet. Oh, you're so not living her life right. Etc. Etc. Pity you. Oh, my God.

3:03So, I'm skipping over the disturbing part that they open with on this article, which is kind of a separate topic from where they are now with the technology on the sex dolls and a secondhand market and all that different sort of stuff. Are they going to have to put rules around how you can treat your sex doll or should we be for obvious reasons? I'll just read this because it's pretty interesting. Two weeks ago, two citizens stumbled across what they assumed was the mangled corpse of a woman, stuffed into a suitcase in a small town. They called the local police, who in turn issued a statement that a body in a suitcase had been found. The wider public waited somberly for tally of a dead woman to tick up by one in the area. But instead of day later, after forensic analysis, I'm surprised it took a day. It was determined that the woman in question wasn't a woman at all, but body was that of a sex doll marked with fake bruises for some reason. Oh, left to rot on a lonely dirt road.

4:04As in everywhere in the world, it's not illegal to own a sex doll. And it's not illegal to do anything you want with the sex doll, just like I can do anything I want with a... I don't know a vacuum cleaner or anything else. We're going to have so many lists, but this person who did this needs to be on a list somewhere. Oh, I want to preemptively jailed. Yeah. I'm not sure how that squares with the constitution, but we'll work with it. Well, the sex doll had bruises that were like make up or painted on and rain-matted hair. Yeah, that is a sick person. Yeah, very sick. Well, then I mean, it was around this yet. But everybody seems to be in agreement with the way you're reacting that this is something. It's an indication of something. Somebody you fantasize is about battering and killing a woman. It's like the first, one of the first signs of a serial killer. They hurt animals.

5:04This is a weird intro to something else, I feel. Oh, yeah, but this is a four alarm fire of this guy is about to. It's not a hint. What kind of law would you craft around this, though? I don't think there is one. You know, it's funny, speaking of defending things I find important or even talking about them. There's no... Think of the products and when you're incorporating AI, if the thing can simulate a human being's thoughts and reactions and voice, if you are designing a program for guys who just want to abuse the hell out of a woman. Who get turned on by crime? And so you want it to crime? Or begging for mercy. Yeah, I bet this is incredibly troubling. The research is so new on this, quoting one person, an expert in this, whatever that would be. We currently lack... What do you get? You got to get a graduate degree to be an expert in sex dolls or... I think this is the law.

6:05We currently lack data to definitively prove whether such doll use or abuse is an abuse. If I smash my vacuum cleaner, if I abused my vacuum cleaner, whether such doll use is protective or conversely is a behavioral stepping stone because we don't actually know that. That increases real world offending risk. We urgently need to research on this question as more and more technologies enter the market to simulate human sexuality. If they can come up with studies or... I suppose if you end up with a couple of cases where a guy started with the sex doll and went on to the real thing, well, that's the classic thing with all sexual stuff, though, isn't it? Is that you have some sort of kink and you got to take it further to continue to be interested. That is all sexual stuff. So, you know, I've kind of found the good old ways kept me interested in that for several decades.

7:05True. Whatever happened though, does shaman embarrassment? I would be so embarrassed to say I had this next doll. Well, because you're... well, never mind having one, I'm abusing one. But you're a non-psychopath. Well, so this particular researcher wonders about the whole sex doll thing. In a period whether you're abusing them or not, for instance, to put it provocatively, it seems to boil down to total availability, a youthful, unattractive body, and zero emotional demand or dialogue. Yeah! So even without the abuse, the fact that those are the things that attract you to, which I assume they are, that's troubling on its own. Yeah, to Michael's point, it definitely is a hell of an indication that we have a severely psychologically retarded individual. While the market for sex dolls may be heterogeneous, heter...

8:06Widely varied. What does it mean to engage in any kind of relationship with a woman-shaped thing? From my conversations with professionals and police, there are definitely men with adult-like companion dolls who see that doll as a person. They might see that doll as a woman. But do they see women as humans? This is going to sound really dark, but in a global context where I believe gender equality has gone backwards, sex dolls are actually just the extreme end of that. I don't know. That's one, uh, want to be researcher's thoughts. Now to get into the less troubling part of this, um, because of the technology around this and everything like that, you can go to, uh, mentions one of these companies here. Um, you can tell the company what kind of a woman you're attracted to, and then they'll put it on a screen, and they'll mock you up some stuff with AI to, you know,

9:06just like you can create stuff with AI so easily, hey, give me a picture of, you know, Joe standing on his head and an health costume, and I can have it in a half a second. How can you do that live for you, if you like? They can do a mockup on it there at the company. He said, no, I wanted to be a little more of this. That put her in that, blah, blah. I'm bigger, I smaller, I say, blah, blah. Whatever it is you want. They say, how does that, that's what I want right there. And then they can make it for you with life-like skin and hair, and, uh, very bendable, which seems to be, uh, quality people like. And, uh, and there you go. And so then you can get into the AI part of it. The website for this particular company says, we'll be available this year. There is a wait list for personality traits, attributes like, I want someone who's spiritual or insecure. You want a sex doll who's insecure. I'm telling you, you gotta keep a secret list of these people. I know it doesn't screw with the law, but come on.

10:06I mean, I'm not seeing do anything to them, but, you know, if anything horrendous happens, you gotta list. You're right. Let's start. I'm with you. I'm pro-list. The new Harmony doll also has an AI vagina, described on the real doll site as an electronic insert that pairs via Bluetooth to the X-Mode app. Oh, see if I can't say when my car won't pair with my phone on the Bluetooth. I can't imagine if my lover, it's like, what the hell, I've rebooted it twice. You're like in the mood and it's like, sorry, system update. Reset my password and I gotta go to my email and I'm no longer aroused. There's already an account with this email address. Oh crap, I want to have sex. You know, that's when the thing ends up on the roadside. I get it now. It wasn't an Iobuse women thing, it's an I hate technology thing. Right, right. I was angry because I'm a JJ. To finish that paragraph, the AI vagina

11:09that pairs via Bluetooth to an app detects touch, movement and speed transitioning naturally from a mild or also the climax with synchronized vocal responses that make every moment feel real. It's American ingenuity at work folks. That's the Henry Ford, if you're alive in the 21st century. Here it is. You're reacting this way, Katie, because your type is being replaced. Yeah. How do I compete with that? Sorry. Or on the other hand, you can say, look, I've been busy to get all day long. Go see Gwendolyn or whatever you named her. Gwendolyn. That's it. Honey, not tonight. Go grab Gwendolyn. And her AI vagina. All right, you know what? I've got to copyright this. I believe just the statement that this is mine. I have come up with this. It's the year of our Lord 2026, September the 9th. My Sextile Company, the private parts will be spelled

12:09the AG AI in capitals. It's pretty good. That's pretty good. We trademark. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Thank you, Michael. A couple more things on this, and then we'll call it good. Oh, God. This Singapore based Sextile Company, Love Ence, introduced Emily and AI-powered companion to all the participants. She's customizable, offering personality switching from modes, including coworker, Jim Crush, or Treadwife. What about hormonal once a month? It just goes, yeah, I was going to say, wait, mood changes. I already got that. I don't want that, doll. How I accidentally put it on hectoring. That's not what I wanted. Tired of my shit. How do I switch that off? I want a Jim Crush, and I got this. But so, yeah, you're not stuck with whatever you order. Oh, wow. I didn't know the law on last week. Why is this even coming up now?

13:09You know what you did. You know what you did. That's what she says over and over. All right. I clearly didn't set this thing right. All right. Here's a question for you. Oh, well, will a list of them when touched this way? Different kind of moment when touched that way. Oh, wow. Listen to this. Can offer routine companionship, not sex, which will help build confidence through judgment-free connection and allow for a safe expression of your wildest fantasy. So it's like trying out your pickup lines, I guess, or whatever. Boy, we're talking about the weather for a while before you get on to the whatever. You had a comment before I get to one last disturbing thing and I'm calling it good. Here's your question. What's the friggin' 22nd century gonna look like? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's planted at the beavers. That's what I was thinking. If these things get real enough, will they become socially acceptable?

14:10I mean, just like, just mainstream. No big deal whatsoever. Like, go to the dentist. Well. And there'll be a guy sitting there with one. Is that like... Well. 15 years ago, I would have thought there was no chance that someone with a penis could play in girl sports and be given a medal. Fair. And I was wrong. And Michael, it's socially acceptable to behead people who don't believe in your religion in some parts of the world. So yes, F dolls, yes, is the answer. And here's the final point I'll put on this. There's a lot to this article and I think it's all happening and going to happen. Oh boy. Of course, of course, COEROS, I don't know how you pronounce it. An online sex doll brand based in LA offers customized sex doll heads. According to their website, they're able to model each head on photos of a real person you bring in. Customers are able to upload reference photographs to a form on their site. And the website claims they're able to achieve 90% resemblance to women and photographs provided,

15:13whether it's a coworker. Yeah, see that's for your girlfriend or whatever. Oh, what? You're telling me, Katie, you're bothered by the fact that some guy might take pictures of you off of our website and craft a sex doll around it and have it doing all kinds of crazy stuff while the things that bothers you. Imagine that. Imagine that. Ugh. This is a weird world. I don't like it. No. Oh, kidding. No kidding. This is inevitable. This is an A. Could happen. Do they have male sex dolls? Are we seeing if any women are doing this? I was wondering about that. They do as a matter of fact. You're going to have to have a model for several. You're going to have a room full of jackdolls that are not flying off the shelf. We just keep marking these down. Hanson, get them on the website. Let's do a test. Well, I guess that's it.