How Do I Resist False Gospels? with Elizabeth Woodson

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1:04Drawing deeply from scripture and testimonies of faithful saints, Colleen shows how our deepest desires are permanently and increasingly fulfilled in Christ as we go home. Discover on our way home by Colleen Chow, available at MoodyPublishers.com or wherever books are sold. This is Colleworldly, and I'm joined by my coach, Jim Wilkins, and JT English. Today, we are joined by our friend, our colleague, our current peer-indecisive resource in Elizabeth Woodson. Elizabeth is a Bible teacher speaker, the founder of the Woodson Institute, and the host of the podcast, starting place with Elizabeth Woodson and Shalomys. She is the author of a number of books and Bible studies, including the recently released Habits of Resistance. Seven ways you are being formed by culture and gospel practices to help you push back Elizabeth.

2:04Thanks for making time to jump on here with us. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here. You know what? Elizabeth, you have a very presentable backdrop. I have seen, I'm telling you, I've been doing this for years now, Elizabeth, and it's like some people have given absolutely zero thought to what is behind them. You clearly have manicured this, and I just want to say, I see it, and I respect it. You know, I appreciate that. I spent a lot of time organizing my books just for this podcast, so we did a retrace just for knowing things. Oh. Because I know it matters for y'all. You know? Is that a live plan? Is that a live plan? No. There are no live plans. Okay. That makes me feel better. It's a bridge too far. In the live plan, we've ever had in our house, we have killed, I'm sorry, Jen. We have killed so quickly, and like, it's whatever the opposite of a green thumb is, that's what I have. Kyle, do you know I still have the plant you gave me? And it's a live. It's thriving. Oh, wow. And every time I look at it, I think of Kyle Warly, when the revelation launch.

3:05Oh my gosh. Yeah. And it exists. Yeah. You know, Jen, that would have been in the trash at our house five weeks later, too. Hey, that's a, there's my real plant right there. That's crazy. But you know what, Elizabeth? You guys have other gifts. We all have a colleague. You guys remember this? She worked with us at her previous church who was given like a succulent, and she watered it for like three years, only to realize it was fake. I do remember that. Yeah, I forgot. She was like, I'm so great at keep. Those things amazing. I just, I just don't want to reach that. That's what I want to know. It was like a very small succulent, so she was just like almost like being like water drops, like just a little bit. It was just evaporated. It could be gone. going to the Styrofoam that was underneath. You know what? That, I don't know how, but that's a teaching illustration. We will find a way. I got to figure a way to get that in there. That's the way. I am the vine. You were the branches, but you're actually a dead suck killer. Yeah. The wheat and the tares you look alive,

4:07but then you discover at the end that you never know. That's really sad. Yeah. Yeah. All right, we are here and we are talking with Elizabeth about habits of resistance. This is kind of a part of our season of how to answer tricky questions and thorny topics. And so I've titled this episode, How Do I Resist False Gospels? And you know, the goal of this is not for you to download what we have to say or what Elizabeth has to say. The goal of this is for you to learn how to think theologically and biblically about everything. Elizabeth did not write habits of resistance so that you would know what Elizabeth Woodson thinks about these matters. She wrote this book so that you can engage in biblical and theological thinking about all matters of life. That's why we've produced a deep discipleship program with life way if you're interested in doing theologian community, then go do a book club around habits of resistance or go check out lifeway.com slash deep discipleship and see how you can do theologian community right where you're at. Let's just start with this. Elizabeth, this is Jen's question, but I'm going to ask it.

5:09Why did you write the book? It's a good question. Why did you write the book? I wrote the book, partly because of what I saw myself and when I saw in other people. So I think the low-hanging fruit is, I got tired of seeing dumpster fires online in the comment sections. I think I got tired of seeing just people being inundated with things that they need to buy and purchase or the prestige that rules social media, that you have value because of the amount of followers that you have. You just see the fruit that exists in our culture. Sometimes it's a fear or rage or even loneliness, right? It seems like everybody's having the same conversations about their struggles with relationships and friendships and just this whole for or look for belonging among Christians. Like this isn't non-believers. These are people who are supposed to be walking in the abundant life that Jesus gives. And so the question is, if we are bearing fruit that doesn't necessarily align with the way of Jesus then what's really going on? And I think it's a belief that it connects to how we're being formed

6:09which isn't a conversation that is new to this platform or you all that a formation directly connects to how we show up in the world. And I wanted to give people not just identify what was wrong but like how do you fix it? How do you practically do that in your everyday life? And so that's kind of what habits of resistance was birthed out of. I love that it's practical. That's my big litmus test for whether I'm gonna recommend a book to people. And when you were two, I'm just curious. Like you chose seven things. You know how I feel about the number seven. I feel very positive about it. How did you decide what you were gonna focus on? Because obviously there are more than seven things to think about in this conversation. Now what I wanted to do was again, making it really practical, is what are some of the core things that people really desire, right? A lot of times people aren't thinking in a complex way about am I believing a false story? They just really want peace, right? They want to deal with the chaos that's in their life which is a really human desire. And so I tried to kind of pinpoint some of the things that I've heard in conversation with other people.

7:10The things I see pop up online a lot. A lot of this, whatever, was just the product of being in community with other people. And so if I see things that are patterns that maybe that should tell me something that I need to poke into. Like, when we, like part of the book is oriented around the temptation to believe false gospels. And we've talked a lot on this podcast about false stories and how formative they are. JT remind me, I'm blanking the quote, the best buster quote that we've quoted a hundred times. Give it to me again. Narrative is our culture's currency. He who tells the best story wins. Yeah. So these stories are tempting for us, right? So Elizabeth, what are maybe some of the like, can you give some examples of like what is a false gospel and can you give some examples of false gospels? Yeah, when I think about a false gospel, I think about a pathway or solution to a problem that we're having or longing and desire, right?

8:10So it's a question of, and why am I valuable? Where does my purpose come from? Where does hope come from? Where can I find peace? And so we feel that we're in a space. I think there's a heaven and a hell and a saber that's going to get us from one side to the other. That's kind of what I think about. And so I think about in terms of singleness is a really kind of low hanging fruit. The hell can be being single and heaven is being married. And so I need to find this perfect relationship that's going to get me from one side to the other. But the fantasy about marriage really isn't the accurate place that I want to be, right? And so it's how can I solve this problem that I have in my life? And the solution doesn't contain Christ. Like it doesn't contain Jesus. And that really is where the false gospel comes up. And so one thing that I think about is the ability to have peace through control. And so if I can control my situation, whether that's through information, sometimes I see this show up in new age spiritual things, like manifesting, which is the power positive thinking

9:12reformed for a new generation, that if I can have control over my circumstances and I can find peace. But what it doesn't take into consideration is that we don't have control over everything because we are limited. And in order to be able to accomplish a thing that I really desire, I need the one who's limitless. But the false story will have me tried to accomplish those things without God. I like that definition of false gospel all along. I do too. A problem, like the experience of a problem and the pursuit of a solution that doesn't involve Christ. Like I think that's a really simple and clear perspective of what a false gospel is. There is, you individually or you collectively are experiencing a problem. So you need that solution. And a false gospel offers you a solution that's Christless. That's a good definition of false gospel. Oh, okay. So are false gospels,

10:12are they, when you wrote this book, were you thinking or aiming at the way that false gospels hit individuals primarily or groups of people, like more widespread, more culturally? Yeah, I think I was hitting at the way they touch our lives individually, that has fruit corporately. So when I think again about how we handle conflict, that a lot of times, I think cancel culture is a big thing that we see, but it shows up individually in relationships, where I'm just gonna cut my friend off because we have an issue and it's a lot easier to not respond to their message than to say, hey, can we have a conversation about this? But that bears fruit when we're all doing the same thing. So sometimes when we poke at the larger culture, like this is affecting everybody, it gives me the excuse to say, oh, that's their problem. It's not my problem. And I didn't want to give people the ability to get away from identifying the things in their own self. Well, now I know why JT never text me back. I've got a lot going on. Yeah. What false gospel are we living in?

11:15One question that I have for you, I mean, because one of the things you mentioned is you said, a lot of people, you picked these stories, these false gospels, these false stories from conversations, they're just kind of picking up patterns from people. Where do you think false stories are told to people primarily? Because one of the things that we've talked a lot about is false stories, one of the things that's most powerful about them, we don't wake up each morning and decide to ourselves, you know what I want to do? I'd like to live in a false story. I want to pick the false story of perfectionism. It's just something that's so pervasive. You don't even realize you're living in a false story because a false story for all of us is just reality. It just is the air we breathe. It's the message that we received and that we keep receiving. Where do people kind of pick up on these false stories and how can they begin to maybe even identify which one or ones they're living in? Well, and maybe before you answer that, give us the seven false stories that you identify in the book. Yeah, the false stories I have is that we can earn peace through control, that we can earn identity,

12:17through achievement, that we can achieve love through selfishness, justice, through merciless vengeance, joy, through overconsumption, and hope through escapism. That's good. That's really good. I read the book. I mean, I remember thinking it was good, but it's been a while since I read it. Yeah, go ahead. So what I think about false gospels, again, we're not like some people might, but most people are not waking up asking to live in a false story. We pick things up from the places that we hang out the most. So for most of us, that is social media. It is the people that we follow, the posts we like, the posts we share. And so what is presented to us, and I think that the hard part about the false gospel kind of dynamic is it's presenting to us something that actually looks pretty attractive, that we see something work for someone's life. What we don't see is what they're leaving out, right? So I always see these again, singleness, married couples, we rarely post their arguments. They post the beautiful pictures and the family pictures,

13:17but you're not seeing the other side. You're not seeing the complete picture. And so we see it from the posts that we are interacting with, the podcasts that we're listening to, even the people that we're engaging with in community. So it's like, where am I hanging out the most and where am I getting my information about these larger categories? And then it's a question of, well, what is what I'm seeing leaving out? What aren't they telling me about what they're presenting to me? And that helps us try to kind of peel back the layers from the messaging, but it's really simple. It's the things, the places we hang out the most are the places we absorb the stories. The places we hang out the most, the places we absorb the stories. How do the stories, okay, so talk about that, because I'm sure if I'm gonna resist them, is the manner of my resistance similar to the manner of my temptation? Like, is my resistance, so do I resist them just by hanging out in different places? I think resistance, one, really it's just, it's the pausing and identifying, right? So to be able to even recognize that man,

14:18maybe there is something that I have absorbed, something that I've listened to, that I'm going in a direction I don't need to, like I've drifted from the way I've used this. I don't think drift happens immediately. I think it happens in really small steps, is this process of, like self-examination, right? Because a lot of it is, what's the fruit that my life is bearing? And is that matching up with the fruit that the Lord says it should bear? How am I using my resources? And is the way I use my resources matching up with the way that the Lord should use my resources? How am I pursuing my career? Is my ambition connected to what ambition should be from the Lord? And so I think about another one that is common for a lot of people and that's just productivity culture that says that you are what you produce. And so we're going to produce, produce, produce, produce all the time. We're going to have schedules that are just so full of activities because we're trying to achieve some sense of prestige, whether that's for us or our kids. Right, our kids are in a million different activities because we have this high hopes for them. But does the amount of activities I'm doing communicate or something about what I really find valuable? And am I making space for my spiritual community?

15:21Am I making space to be in places where I'm growing with other believers or to live out what it means to love my neighbor? Right, so it just is to me, it's a pausing, which social media particularly is not invested in. It just wants you to consume and that pause and reflect. Right, how can I see what is my life doing particularly right now in terms of fruit? And how does that align with what it's supposed to be according to what Jesus says? Yeah, I feel like this is your approach to this has been more of like you said kind of focused on the individual, JT, when you remember in rehearsed, you talk about false stories and you talked about a more from like a world view, almost more of like a kind of more category, genius, not species. Kind of like what were some of the false stories that you talked about in there just to remind our listeners? Like, yeah, I forget how many I had. I like how Elizabeth defines in this kind of short statements. Mine were more like kind of cat, you said categories, like the false story of perfectionism, the basic idea that I'm lovable and good if I pursue and live a perfect life,

16:22the false story of romanticism, that the deeper I feel something, the more authentically I live, the more true I am to myself, then that's the good life, the false story of pragmatism, that my life should just work. I should do things that work. The false story of one of the powerful ones back in the day was American civil religion, just the kind of the more powerfully I live into the Americanized version of the good life than the more I'll be participating in the good life. So I think we had like 10, 11, 12, but one of the things that I think is important to highlight for people is they hear whether it's these seven habits or how I kind of framed it as false stories is they're not exhaustive lists. No. We're very good at creating false stories for ourselves ever since Genesis chapter three. Where they originate is a false story of I can find life outside of God's good command for me. I can find life outside of the presence of God. I can find life outside of the ministry of Christ to me.

17:22And so one thing I would encourage folks who are listening to this is whether it's these seven habits or false stories is, and I know Elizabeth would say this too, they're not exhaustive. You might be living in one that we haven't thought of yet. And like I tried to say a moment ago, they're so powerful because you don't even realize you're living in it. It just is what you take for reality. It's how you treat your spouse. It's how you engage with your job. It's what you think of your kids as Elizabeth just said. And so I just think one of the important things that you could do is have conversations of people in your life around you and say, what do you see about me that I value? What do you think are the things that really kind of poke and prod at me or that motivate me? And when do I come most alive? When do I feel most frustrated or dull? And so, and at the end of the day, we need community to help point out those false stories in our life and to draw us back to the true story of the world down in Scripture. Are you tired of shallow discipleship in your life, the life of your church or small group? God is inviting you into deeper places,

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19:24no matter where in the Bible you're reading. And with access to the Filament Bible app, you can dive even deeper. As you read, you can scan the page number to open up a world of resources including over 25,000 additional study notes, hundreds of videos, a library of interactive maps and infographics, and a full audio Bible. And that's just the beginning. In the accurate new living translation, these Bibles offer a pathway to transformation as you grow in your understanding of God and of your role in his story. Start discovering at courageforlifebible.com. That's courageforlifebible.com. Yeah, what you were just saying reminds me of the Calvin quote, like the heart is a perpetual idol factory. It's just always producing them over and over and over again. You're right, they just come in so many different varieties. Jen, you were going to pop in. Oh, I was just thinking about how we're rarely living into just one false story. Like any given false story is sort of an amalgam of several.

20:25I found that when I was writing the aging book. It's like the false story of anti-aging is shaped by radical individualism. I mean, there are so many things that we're pouring into shape that narrative. Influences that make, the thing is, is the false story feels normal. It feels true. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a threat, right? And I think what Elizabeth has done in the book so well is say, don't pretend like you don't have ways to identify that this is in fact false and then to live into what's true. And I think the biggest lie that we tell ourselves is the false story will probably be fine. Or I don't know time to think about that right now. I'll figure that out later. And I loved Elizabeth that your book is, like I said, it's practical, but it's written from the perspective that I think you uniquely bring to things of being. Someone who has been in the local church watching the real fallout from people embracing these things

21:26sort of with an indefinite timeline. And the Lord is kind to us. He lets us face our catalog of false stories, not all at once. Like we do progressive sanctification means we get to face them as he brings them to our conscience. But I think we see people suppressing their consciences with regard to these things. So your book is an opportunity, I think, for people to say, oh yeah, that is something that I'm doing. But a question that I always like to get asked when I write a book is, what part of what you wrote felt the most personally important for you? You know what I'm saying? What part of what you wrote? Which of the seven, I guess, is the one that you had to get sucker punched by the worst before you could talk to other people about it? Dang, Jen, no. I love that question. Elizabeth's like I hate your guts. I hate your guts, yeah. Thank you, we appreciate you. Probably what I would say, and it's just unique from my season.

22:27I recently, you know, a couple of years ago, just decided to be in the path of an entrepreneur. And so that meant I had to join a church for the first time not being on staff in a really long time. And so church has been a mix of just beautiful, but it's also really hard. And so I think about what the chapters are, talk about the benefit of the spiritual family gathering, right, of how much that bolsters our sense of who we are. Our value purpose is when we show up to church. And not just show up for Sunday service, but you serve in your own community. And you are known and you know other people. But the truth is, that's really hard. And that's messy. And that takes the resilience. I was like, now I gotta do what I told other people to do. No way. I gotta send an email again. It will be okay. Reach out again. Show up. Shout to the smog group, even though you don't know if the smog group leader is going to be good or it's just gonna be, you know, you need to slowly back away from the group. Like it just is, it takes vulnerability. And so to write about that, I think there was, I wanted to be honest, right? I think they're not like these perfect solutions in some sense where it's not gonna have difficulty

23:28attached to it. But what I hope people see is like, and this is just a better way. This is a better way for us to exist and not just on our own, but together. But you gotta push through some of that. And so I think the honesty of what it meant to be part of this spiritual family gathering was hard for me to write, but I knew I couldn't write that if I wasn't telling that, make the contours of what that means, even though it's still the better way. Well, and I think you're pushing on something that we run into a lot again, because we have one of the false stories as the instant gratification is better for us than long-term commitments. And like the right way is not the easy way. It's not impossible. I mean, it's meant to be the way that we go, but a habit, anybody who's formed a habit of any kind knows, habits take work. And I'm curious like of the habits that you put in the book, is there one or two, maybe, that you feel people are more resistant to? Like, you know, the ones that people are the most like,

24:29that's just too hard. I probably would say the habits of confession and forgiveness. Oh, wow. And so, see, right there. Thank you. Wow. For the immediate response. It really is like, oh, so I need to be in relationship with people. And they're trusted relationships. This is not me asking you to do this with perfect strangers. Like, you need to do it with them. I need to be honest about my sin. And I need to be a person who continually offers forgiveness to other people seeking to model that which we have received. And part of that is because it just helps us realize how much grace we need. Like, when I'm more acquainted with my shortcomings and my brokenness, not a place to sit there and to stay in a place of shame, or just to even condone what I'm doing, is how will that change how I respond when I am the recipient of somebody else's brokenness? And so it's just like we just see all of this division and the way we talk to people is, I just think it's wild sometimes when people will say 140 characters versus what we would say to somebody who's face.

25:30But part of it is we distance ourselves from our need for redemption. And that's just such a cornerstone to our faith as Christians. And to me, the habit of confession and forgiveness helps us push back against that, but it's vulnerable. It's hard. Nobody wants to do that. We just kind of want to sweep out and eat the rug. But it just, to me, it's been a powerful tool in my own life. And yeah, even when people just raise their eyebrows at me, I kind of still push through because I just think it just, it changes us in really good ways. There's been a lot that has been written about habits in the last seven, eight, 10 years. Like, I mean, some really big books that are not like, I don't even think like Christian books. Like James Clear's Atomic Habits book is like, like one of the best selling books of the last decade. It's been a massive success. I think even like 15 years ago, it's, oh gosh, it seems crazy to say it was that long ago. But Jamie Smith was writing about the formative value

26:32of practices and habits and liturgies and counter liturgies. And there's a lot that's been written about habits. Why are we talking about habits so much? Like why is that in the subtitle of your book? Why are we talking about it? I believe in it. It's the title of the book. Oh, yeah, no, yes. Oh, I'm sorry, habits of resistance. Yes, not subtitle. Sorry, dog title of the book. Why are we talking about habits so much, Elizabeth? Like, isn't this just really about believing the right thing? Like, isn't this just a belief problem? And you're shaking your head. I'm setting you up to tell me, no, it's not just a belief problem. Tell me why it's not just a belief problem and why habits are so important for resistance of these false stories. Here's just a fun fact. The book was originally titled A Better Gospel. And so we did habits of resistance to kind of be a little bit more spicy. That's just a fun fact. But I think on a really practical, basic level, people just feel like they need structure and order. So they need some sense of a guy.

27:33Like they recognize some things off. They don't really know how to get back on track. And habits just give us some sense of like logical steps that I can take that make me feel like I have some sense of order about what's happening. That I can make a plan. And that just gives us a little bit more security, I think, in a good and healthy way. When it comes to our habits, I have a friend and she gave me kind of this trio of ideas. What we believe affects how we behave and how we behave affects how we become. What we become. And so a lot of times we can separate it. It's like, oh, I believe these things, but we're not thinking about how what I believe about other people, what I believe about God, what I believe about myself, affect how I show up in the world. And eventually, as I'm doing these same things all the time that affects the core of my character, that affects what I love, that affects all of these things are feel to be hardwired. And so I wanted people to realize one, we all have habits, right? We all have ways of doing things. I think that's kind of just our human way of existing in the world. And so the question isn't, if you have habits,

28:34it's what ones do you have? And are they leading you to the way of Jesus? But it's to bring it awareness that your beliefs will show up with your feet. What you really believe. So you might say certain things, but what your feet are doing shows you what you actually believe. All right, I'm gonna land the plane by putting all of us on the spot. Oh, perfect. And you can't use somebody else's answer. And because Elizabeth is our guest, we're gonna let Elizabeth go first. I don't know what happened, that way. Okay. What is, in your mind, the key habit of Christian resistance to false stories, Elizabeth, you could only command one. What's the, and it's for all Christians everywhere. It can be anything, but you get one. I get one. I got one for Jen. Can I pick Jen's? No, one. Wow. It feels tricky. And we can track it. Our friendship is at stake, is what you should be doing. Just kidding. I'm kidding. I'm mostly kidding.

29:34Can I just take the easy route and say a rule of life? That includes all of them. Oh, nice. Wow. A little bit of a cheat code there as a guest. We're gonna give you that. We will allow it. Okay. Thank you. Say what you mean by a rule of life, though, because I don't know that everybody will. Yeah, a rule of life really is a plan for how I'm going to incorporate a set of disciplines into my life. So what will I do daily? What will I do monthly? What will I do annually? And so some of it might be like, I'll take a silence and solitude retreat annually. But daily, I'm going to be able to spend time in prayer. But it's just creating a plan for how I do the habits throughout the entirety of a specific period of time. Okay. All right. That's a good one. Jen? Quiet. I can't identify the false story if you don't know the true one. So I'm gonna go with a reading practice that is growing you in Bible literacy and Bible fluency.

30:35Elizabeth, don't laugh at him. You're encouraging him. So like quiet times. It's not not quiet times, but it's probably not quiet times. All right. Regular engagement. So glad I got to be here for this. With God's word from Jen. No, don't not regular engagement with God's word could mean a lot of things. I put some. Let us help you. All right. All right. You can cancel for the quiet time. All right. Fine. Wow. Wow. That's not happening there. You do not let me help her at this moment. Okay. Jen's inductive Bible set. No, I don't mean that. Okay. Go ahead. What's yours? All right. JT. Yeah. I would have said those two. Those are the two that I picked first. Since we can't pick that, I'll go maybe a little bit more untraditional. And just Elizabeth already alluded to this, but just gathering together with God's people. There you have preaching, praying, singing, serving, giving of yourself. I mean, I just don't know how you could be walking

31:37with Christ without regularly gathering together with God's people under His word. Yeah. My group with that 100%. Those are good answers. Great. We'll just call it there. No. Wait a minute. No. I'll just get prayer. I'll say prayer. Oh, that's good. We hit him all in or most of it. There we go. We got all, we got all, really, Elizabeth covered all of them with rule of life. And then we just kind of hit some of the crucial ones out there. Elizabeth, thank you for writing this book. Thank you for jumping on here today. It was so fun to have you on. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Listen, if you were listening to the episode and you want to resist false, gospels and false stories, which if you're a Christian, you do. Go check out Elizabeth's book, Seven Habits of Resistance. Or excuse me, Habits of Resistance. Seven ways you're being formed by culture and gospel practices to help you push back available wherever good books are sold. If you heard something from one of our sponsors, go check it out through the web page link and the show notes are online at trainthechurch.com. Under the 90th, high-cast web page, we hope you enjoyed the discussion. Grace and peace.