Hour 4: Tragedy + Time = Comedy

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2:05of the new ones today and there's some there's some solid. Good, I love that segment. Some solid problems. It's one of my favorite things. 7 o'clock on Fridays. We do that. Help some people out. It's fun to hear what people are having trouble like struggling with. Yeah. I'm not fun, but it's fun for us. It's the first thing to hear what things you're struggling with. Right. Some of them are so relatable. Problems within laws or some crazy situation at work. I love that stuff. I'm going to start with a billboard. Congratulations to Ella Langley back up at number one. You know, over vacation, I was looking at billboard and Opalite. Sorry, was it Opalite? It was. It was number one last week and so and I think that that tied Taylor Swift for some record or other. She's always breaking some record. But I fully expected it to be number one again this week but no back up in the number one spot

3:08is that Ella Langley choosing Texas. I'm not a huge country fan, but I like it. Well, there's some nice country songs. Totally. Yeah. Doesn't mean you have to commit to the whole genre. I'm not. I don't like to commit at all. And yet, she's going to walk down the aisle. Yeah, but after 10 years. That's true. You did take your time with that. Number two on the charts this week is Olivia Dean hanging in there. Man, I need that. That is a big song. Ordinary. The Alex Warren song. That is back up. That was last week. It had fallen to number five and now it's at number three. Opalite's down to number four. I'm really hoping next week this list is Harry Styles. Harry Styles. Harry Styles. Harry Styles. It probably will be. That is often how things go and some big artists puts out a record because then everybody streams the whole record or get the singles anymore. Bruno Mars. I just might is in fifth place up one from last week. It did. That was a number one song though for at least one

4:12week peaked out at number one. Golden hanging in there. 36 weeks on the charts and it's number six this week. How's it possible? I mean, it's a good song. It's not exactly a single long man. It's very it's a it's a big old song as the kids love it. Maybe they're putting the soundtrack on. Is that something you guys do at your house? They watch the movie. Over and over. I mean, they have we bear up it now. That's the thing. I'm surprised it's still so big because we were on that. We were on that movie when it came out. We wrote it for 40 watches and now it's already moved off the playlist. There's something that I've never really considered before is we talk about streaming numbers. Well Netflix is a streamer. Like would someone watching that movie be contributing to the popularity of a song? I'll look it up while you do more stuff. Because that's because you can watch videos on YouTube and I think that would count.

5:16I'm not exactly sure. Like is it streaming in general? I don't know. That'll be interesting to find out. Fade of Affilia is down at number seven. That was number one for a long time. Bad money hanging on to that Super Bowl bump. DTMF is at number eight. Yes. Watching Netflix heavily drives song streams. Wow. On platforms like Spotify, Apple Music, and YouTube. Biconic placement in shows can cause instant, massive and long-term spikes or resurgence of streams for both new and nostalgic songs. But it doesn't say that the Netflix, it's not saying directly that Netflix counts towards saying extends people to these streamers. I think they keep a vague on purpose that we don't really know how the sausage is made. Right. You don't want to know. No, I think it would really shock me to find out how billboard picks the top 10. Well, I want to say though that if it's, you know, if this is a licensed song,

6:21it's being consumed. I would almost want it to be to count toward. If we're going to count the streams and get an accurate number or an accurate reflection, like why wouldn't they include that stuff? I mean, it seems like it played. Somebody consumed it. I want the artist to get paid for that. They're calling K-pop demon hunters their most streamed film of all time. Yeah. Oh, yes. On Netflix. Yeah. That has been huge. Surprise. They're going to do more of them. I think the live action of that is going to be so rad. Are they going to use the actual girls who did the singing or are they going to just cast? Probably a mix. Who knows? Uh, sombers back to friends is at number nine and folded. Kailani is at number 10. There's, uh, there's your charts for this week. Thanks. Googies telling me that Netflix doesn't report its viewing data to billboard. So I guess it, so it doesn't count as direct. Yeah, they're calling it indirectly in

7:24that. You see something on the show and then you go straight to a streamer to listen to it. I wonder if through licensing through to I still want the artist to get paid for that. And I get that there's a licensing fee when you use a, uh, song in a movie or a television show. But if it's becomes the most watched movie of all time, shouldn't the artists. It's hard to figure that out too because you don't know if this hunt tracks even wrote that song. So then who's getting paid? Right. But they would get a performance royalty, but not the publishing and the publishing royalty would go to someone else. Right. So that's a lot. You get a lot more for writing the song than for performing it. Bad Bunny Super Bowl halftime show set a new viewership record. They are accounting all the streams. Bad Bunny's, uh, halftime show, according to Jay-Z's rock nation who co-produced it. They say it has, it has so far generated 4.157 views world,

8:24but sorry, 4.157 billion views worldwide within the first 24 hours across all the platforms that is the US broadcast, international broadcast, YouTube and all the other digital platforms. If you watched it somewhere, you count toward this. If you watched it 10 times, you count for 10 of those. There's only 8 billion people on only 8 billion people on earth. Half of us did not all watch Bad Bunny on the Super Bowl. So if you've watched it 50 million times, you count for 50 million of those. Digital views can include multiple watches from the same user, impressions on social media. Doesn't mean that half the world. I thought he did well. There's definitely worse recent, uh, halftime shows in my opinion. I didn't think the weekend was good at all. No, I agree. It's so boring. I thought that was a, a total miss. Last year we saw Billy Idol. We got to see him in a tiny little venue at a little Alice event. So fun. It was incredible.

9:29And it's, they're calling this the year of Billy Idol. I think I told you a day or two ago that he's got a new documentary. That's out. Um, Billy Idol should be dead. It's called. And he went on, um, Bill Mayer's show called Club random with, with Bill Mar, sorry, Bill Mayer. Bill Mar, um, he went on to talk about this. He's promoting this documentary. Uh-huh. And he says, the quote from him is crazy. Uh, once, once you're trying to get off heroin, what do you go to? You go to something else. I started smoking crack to get off heroin. What? And he said, and he's like, and it worked. Oh, you have a new problem, but sure, you're off heroin. I mean, maybe it's easier to kick crack than it is to kick heroin. I don't know. So Bill Mar goes, did you really? If Bill and Billy Idol goes, it worked. It worked. And he's laughing. Uh-huh. Um, some of this other quotes are just so funny. Uh,

10:32in the new documentary, Billy Idol should be dead. He's 70 years old, Billy Idol. He was a just as massive star, uh, in the 80s with MTV and had just a bunch of hits. I mean, he's talking about his career and the bad boy ways that almost cost him his music career and his life. He says, I had it all and I lived it with butane. He also talks about being, uh, really lucky. Um, he says he took many risks with his life, with his life, battling an addiction to heroin, while also speeding through the streets on his motorcycle driving way too fast. Um, he also said, thank God, he's off heroin now. He's like, I definitely want to die defend all by now. I would do any. Court, I, when you mentioned the crack thing, I thought of the Courtney love quote, I wanted to look it up so I could read it sheet. This is Courtney love on crack. If you want to nuke your life, do crack. Hmm. Oh, I was just step up, step up from heroin. He says, this is Billy, this is Billy Idol's quote,

11:37I'm lucky that I've kept the brain of God because some people went brain dead and some people ended up in jail forever. Oh, dead. Imagine if it was today, if I was doing what I was doing back then today, I would be dead because I would have run into fentanyl. He's right. Yeah. And he's been doing lots of interviews. I expect to see more of this stuff that I just thought that was a pretty, pretty funny, not funny. Ha, ha, but kind of, you know, what do they say, tragedy plus time equals comedy? Smoking crack helped Billy Idol quit heroin. One of the things I read, I guess he's everywhere right now trying to, you know, have a high profile, but I read that they him and that guitar player of his Steve Stevens. Yeah. When they got that first hit, all of a sudden the record company was like, what do you want? And they let them make their next record without any input. Oh my god, that really doesn't happen. Just a hit like you got to hit whatever you want. Keep making hits. And he did. He did. I mean,

12:39he had a run. That's how he got to be that excessive because he had all the money. Right. And a green light from anyone who, who he was in the band generation acts in the UK. And they broke up left the UK and moved to America. Like, I'm going to go be Billy Idol in America. I think I can and and did and pulled it. And he said the, the real problem started after his first success, he went back to party with all his mates back in the UK. And that's where that's where things got he pointed to that as like specifically. I got to get into a little trouble there. I went home a hero. Yeah. But everyone all the drugs and then did them all myself. All right. I'm totally out of time. What's coming up then? Just remember this quote everyone. If you, if you want to nuke your life, do crack. That's Courtney love. It's most of us do not want to nuke our lives. No, we do not. That is an absolute no. And I'm going to tell you how to stay married for 70 years after these.

13:43Oh, start your day off the right. We're with Sarah and Vinnie wake up wake up with Alice 973. Sarah and Vinnie Alice's morning show. Listen to the Sarah and Vinnie full show podcast on the Odyssey app. And Apple podcasts and Spotify wherever you get your podcast run. But try that Odyssey app, Odyssey. Is a stunner. Yep. And you'll want to see her. Yeah, on bridge the gap. So the eight o'clock clip.

14:45We lost those. We did lose, but still it was a fun appearance. And she was actually sitting in for a while. I don't know if she was on camera the whole time, but she was hanging out. She's great. I just love her. I mean, I do congratulate Tiana who's going to do a third week now after defeating two celebrities in a row. But it would have been really nice to have. We've got to get Stephen. I have to text you. Oh, yeah. What the heck is going on with that? Oh, great. Would it be if she takes on three celebrities? I find her delightful. So I think that if I don't want her to win, but it would be nice she's gotten to. It would be nice for Stephen Jenkins to send her home a loser. Right. Finally defeated by the rooting for her to have a nice life and a happy day. We can go probably go deep on music with him. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I got to be. I just got to be more hardcore about the questions. I need to find things, but we still have to be getable. That's why this is hard because we don't know like

15:49the Scooby-Doo one I thought, I don't know. I don't know if they've watched that. I really felt like that was that was a Saturday morning cartoon thing for us. I thought it was an after school cartoon, but either way, whatever. I mean, one of those blocks where you watch cartoons. Yeah. But apparently it persists. Yeah. Rotrow clouds this morning, giving way to some sunshine later, and we should see about 70 degrees today. The time change is this Sunday. We spring forward. Just so you know, we spring forward. Oh, and not only is Bob's movie club tomorrow morning at six, you need to watch Frankenstein and get in on this with us. But she also reviewed Project Hail Mary earlier today and gave it two out of five stars. So what are you doing? I'm trying to baiting you and hoping you will tell us how many stars out of stars. I don't I don't want to say anything, but she did see it and she did like it. You

16:54can't say stars out of stars. I that's a good question. I don't want to I just want people to go and see it. And you don't want no trouble either. If you want to keep getting invited to premieres with embargo. Yeah. Benny, you're trying to get me in trouble in the with the low, the motto. You're monitoring. I made you you're trying to get me in trouble. I would never try to get you in trouble. But I would like you to tell us more about Project Hail Mary. I'm frothing for the moon. Just go see it. Is it out? Not out yet. Well, you could have gone last night with me. I can't be out at night. Yeah. Honestly, it was and I went to Oakland too because there was one on Monday night here in the city. How long is it? Oh, it's got to be two and a half hours. I don't know how long it is, but it didn't feel long at all. I was worried about that because it's it's a 16 hour audio book. Oh, there's a ton of stuff. It happens in that in that book. And I was so afraid they were going to cut corners, but they got it all. They got it all. That's great. They even got one of the characters. One of my favorite lines that he says. Don't don't

18:00don't do it. Why are you saying that? Just don't don't blow it off. She's not doing anything. She'll do a full when they lift the embargo and talking about it. She'll give us a full review. I can't wait for that movie. I loved that book so much. And honestly, the audio books are great, but this audio book is phenomenal. It's the way to listen to it because they're if you've seen the trailer spoiler alert for Project Hail Mary, but not a huge one. It's in the trailer. He meets an alien. And obviously the way of communication is different. And the voice of the alien was incredibly portrayed in the audio book. Like it's real. I really feel like that gave me a sense of what was happening more than just reading it would have. You guys should go see it. If you want to pick it for Bob's movie clubs, so you have to go see it. I will definitely go see this because I love the book so much. March 20th.

19:02Okay. I teased you with this story. And so here it is. This couple got together. Rosalyn Engelman was just 15 when she met her future husband Irwin. This was in 1953. Oh, they're old people. It doesn't seem not old. The two were set up by a mutual friend. And when Irwin, then 19 came to pick her up at her family's home in the Bronx. I certainly had not dated anyone like the tall, dark, and handsome man in the navy blue suit with a brief case who came to my door. 19. She's a suit. And she's 15. And she's 15. And they're like, oh, you guys need me a perfect match. You both teenagers. And they married and have been together for 70 years. These are them. These are the two right there. They're looking exactly like the old people you would imagine. When did we put in place the whole age of consent thing? So they were in the Bronx because honestly, like, I'd be a little bit like, hey, 19-year-old get

20:05away. Hey, 19. Get away from that 15-year-old. She's not legal. What do they say? 16 will get you 20? I don't know. I mean, we certainly know that a lot of the old rock songs that we've listened to through the years. Christine. They didn't age well. No. They didn't age well at all. But this lady, she's been married for nearly 70 years. And her number one rule for a lasting relationship is very simple. Drum roll, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. She says, this is like, it comes down to one piece of advice for her. Okay. Try to understand the other person. It can come into play in many ways. Whether it's something they like, that you should try to show interest in so that the two of you can have at least a mutual respect for, for example, a music, like she says she likes classical and he liked opera and she

21:11learned to like opera and he learned to like classical so that they could at least be in the same space while enjoying the things that they want to understand the other kind of understanding. And I can see it. This comes into play in a million ways in my own life. I'm sure in your life and maybe who knows? Maybe Susan was like, I'm going to let her leave the airport by herself and leave me here because I know who she is and how she is. And this is what she needs. Yeah. Right now. I understand that. Yes. That's, I brought it up to a mystery because he thinks it's so funny that we're talking about it. Why does he think it's funny? He just keeps, what do you mean? It's, it is funny. It is funny, but I'm curious. But I think he would be like, that wasn't funny. That wasn't funny. I cried and cried and cried. But that's exactly where I'm going. I said, oh, Vinnie asked, did Susan suggest that you go? And I said, no, of course he didn't suggest that I leave him at the airport. And I said, but you weren't mad. And he said, no, because I understood,

22:12like, I also wanted to go home. Right. Yeah. Like I got, I understand. Somebody's got to stay here waiting for the suitcase to show up. That's my man. That's my man. No, it's, it is really understanding. I mentioned it to Christina and she was like, I would kill you. And I was like, I also would be very mad. I would be furious. Like, we're on a trip together. This luggage of ours is ours. We both have to wait for it. We're both grown-ups. We got, we'll go home together when we get our luggage. Susan brought up one other detail of the story that I left out. Oh, okay. It was a group trip. There was probably like six or seven of us that all went to Chile to visit our friend's hometown. And he was the only one who didn't make it on the flight. Oh, he was fully, you guys just ditched him. We all abandoned him. And other people were waiting for their checked bags too. And it was like, he, he missed it by one minute, like getting the bag and then rechecking it. And they were like, oh, but it's too late. We're not taking

23:14checked bags anymore. Well, maybe this will save you some time in couples counseling. Try to understand the other person. This is 70 year married lady. This is her advice. Try to understand. I do think that's an important thing. That's important in not just your relationship. That's the most important thing about humanity. Try to share the other person and try to understand what they're, what they're conveying. And that's what they need. When we go into couples counseling, I've definitely been like, look, there's certain things because you and I are like not alike when it comes to alcohol and the what it's done to my life versus what it's done to yours. I'm extra careful about certain things. And I'm coming from a completely different perspective when you say we're going to spend the night in the some place for three days. I have to think about should I be at a place where everyone's drinking for three days? I don't think I should. I don't want to. It makes me feel uneasy. And if I can't sleep, God knows I've been walking around in the

24:18middle of the night and found a bottle. I have not recently, but back in the day and gone. This makes perfect sense. I mean, it's two in the morning, like a little voice inside. Who's going to know, right? I'll sleep it off. This is just usual. Try to understand the other person, ladies and gentlemen, it might save your marriage. The creepiness problem with personalized ads is turning shoppers away from brands. This is the thing that I find wrong with social media ads in general is that if you search something on your computer, you will now get a targeted ad directly into your feed. And I find it creepy as well. I don't like it. Well, it just shows me that I, you know, I'm not alone on here. It's all interconnected. It's all I'm being paid attention to. Right. It feels invasive. And so I

25:25suggest if you are thinking about advertising, try radio. Yeah, try radio. Thank you. Thank you, Bob. Our text number is eight hundred four hundred three six nine seven and Bob's on the show with a couple of your texts before we game our way out of here. Sarah, thanks for the spoiler right before I read Project Hail Mary. I, you said spoiler. I said spoiler like five times and I said it's revealed in the trailer. People are excited about it. I wouldn't even let Susan watch the trailer. We went to see a movie a few months ago or no, when we went to see the stranger, things finale in the movie theater, they played a bunch of trailers before, of course. And I made him cover his eyes for all of them. I'm like, don't look. Oh, I was going to ask you that. So he went with you last night. Yes. Oh, okay, good, because I was going to say that's a late night and you were alone in Oakland. No, he was with me and he loved it. All right. But that's all we're going to say about that. Has he read the book already? No. Okay. But he's like, oh, should I read it now? Oh, no, I don't know. I don't,

26:27reading the book really spoils the movie, you know, not just in this case, but in all cases, you're always like the whole time I was like, oh, well, I was comparing. This is going to happen. In the book, there's a reveal that is, it took my head clean off and I loved it so very much. And I can't wait to see how they portray this. And if they're able to have that reveal with the same impact because it really did leave me going, oh, my God. We are going to dispassionately do what we need to do to save this. Oh, don't say anything else. Okay. Also, this is not an ad. This is just something. This is happens to be a book that we are all three of us are very into. Yes. Some of us missed the airport story. I even listened to the podcast Diane listening on Odyssey while driving back to California from Arizona. Long story short, I left Susan at the airport because we were going to miss our connecting flight and we had a checked bag that we were waiting for. And I said, you go through. I made up some reason why

27:31I needed to go ahead. And I I don't it made sense at the time, but really I just wanted to go home. So it's funny to look back on decisions that you've made that in the moment seem rational. And then you you look at them again and go, why did I ever think that that was a cool thing to do? Like, why did I do that to this person or for that reason? If he's not harboring any resentment about it, though, that's great. It's incredible. That is really great and incredible. That's the guy to marry for sure. Like no resentment. What's I mean, harboring resentment is not a good thing. It is not doing that. Even if someone does wrong you, let it go. Let it go. Do I get $60 million for that person go? If you're like, I can't be treated like that. Yeah. And I'm going to hold that in me going forward. Then maybe. So I guess you guys are right. Yeah. If I'm always abandoning him and he doesn't like to be abandoned, then he should leave me. But I don't do it again. I swear. Unless I'm really,

28:35really tired. Yes. And then you should just go. Maybe he was like, I don't want to listen to or more than about it. You want to play again? I would love to. Let's do it. Then you get to choose today. You want to play how old is that guy or what did that happen? When did that happen? When did that happen? Abe Lincoln was inaugurated as our 16th president. Oh man, I don't like when you pick ones that are going to embarrass me when I don't know the answer. I don't know this one either. Really? I don't think so. Well, think about what's happening at the time. I'm going to make Bob go first. Does it start with a 18 or a 19? Oh man, the 1900s were so long ago. It starts with an 18. I did just do that. 1817. 1817. I'm going to say 1865. You're the closest. It's 1861. It was

29:40a couple of years before the Civil War. That's a point for Vinnie. Good job. I was in the area. You were very much so. Martha Stewart was released from Camp Cupcake, more formally known as the Alderson Federal Prison Camp. They called it Camp Cupcake. Is that because it was a bougie prison? Yeah. She led like a gardening circle. Yeah. She made a garden there. It grew their own vegetables and stuff. It was a white collar crime kind of place. Martha Stewart and I are good friends now since I met her at the Super Bowl media day. Yeah. So I don't want you guys talking any trash on my good. Oh my god. I don't I would never talk trash about my Stewart. I love her. I just got a big shipment of her painting. All right, Bobby. What do you think? What did you just say? Oh, actually, you're going to go first. I get I buy her. She has these great dots. Yes. She does these beautiful finishes and stuff. They're great. I just I got a bunch of stuff from Martha Stewart

30:44yesterday. I will not argue with you on Martha Stewart. Your friend Martha Stewart. 2005. Oh, five says Vinnie. Oh, four. It was exactly. Oh, five. That's another point for you, Vinnie. Well done, Vincenzo. What? The Batman hit theaters. That's the one with emo Batman, Robert Pattinson. You're first, Bob. When did that come out? What? What did that happen? 2017. 2017. What do you think, Vinnie? 2019. 2022. That's another point fourth. Oh, that was only four years ago. I had to believe. Next up, Disney's animated classic Cinderella was released. I think is it Bob animated the animated one? Yes, the animated classic Cinderella was the original. Oh, my God,

31:47what did that happen, Bobby? Actually, I think it is Vinnie first. Is it Vinnie first? 1920. 1920 says Vinnie. 1921. It is 1950. You're on the board, Bobby. And I'll do this one because of Bob's movie club. John Candy dies of a heart attack. Oh, of course, we saw him in trains, planes and automobiles, Steve Martin. John Candy dies of a heart attack. When did that happen? Vinnie. So I don't have any idea. It feels like a long time ago, though. So I could very well be way wrong. I'm going to say, I'm going to say 2001. Oh, one, we think Bob. I'll say 2000. It was 1994. That's another point for Bob, but it doesn't matter by score of four. Plus a perfect answer. El Campio rides again. Good job, Vinnie. Congratulations. You're so smart.

32:55Please, someone from Gen X1 today, Danielle. That color looks so good on you. Yes, I'm wearing my sweatshirt for me. I love it. Goodbye. Keep it your analysis all day. We have your chance to win tickets to see Charlie Puth, Lewis Capaldi, and Demi Lovato, all those tickets all at once. Mason and Jane have more code words, 12 or 5 and 5 or 5. And don't forget to watch Frankenstein. It's streaming on Netflix, right? So that you can be, and this is the new version. There's like, when you take, say Frankenstein into your TV, like 50 different versions come up. You want to say, like, Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein 2025. And then you'll find it. You kind of grossed me out with your whole, oh, he's Frankenstein. So hot. Like, yeah, super hot. No, he's not. What are you talking about? Weirdly. I'm weirdly attracted to monsters. It's sick of authority. Yeah, the whole time. It wasn't that mean with weird, like, muscle striations and stuff. And those little weird, that weird little diaper pants. It's weird. I love it. So good.

33:56Tomorrow morning, 6 a.m. We'll be talking about that in Bob's movie club. Have a great day, survivors on tonight for those of you who are allowed to stay up past seven o'clock at night. And we'll see you back here on Thursday. Thank you. Wake up. Wake up with good vibes and variety. Oh my god. That's brilliant. We got to do that. Sarah and Vinnie. Alice 973.