Hour 3: Willis or Tua for the Browns' Quarterback Future

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2:00We're giving it to you for the love of God. Go ahead. And I think we're going to have some news breaking probably just NFL news over the next few hours as this stuff starts to shave off. So it's a huge day here on the fan. We have a couple of resigning people staying recently. Are you talking browns? No, no, just all together. They kind of sets the tone in free agency because we know this stuff starts to trickle out earlier than when it's allowed, but I had it in limo lights. The wife won that race down in Sarasota, the half marathon. And in that dominance, she won a one hour massage, which I mean, that's a runner's dream. It's anybody's dream that, you know, if they don't mind getting touched by a stranger like that. For some, that's a little too invasive. I've never had her massage. I don't think I'll ever get one. But the people that get them, I mean, they would take them every day if they could get them, but they're really expensive. You gotta add the gratuity as well. People never factor that in on the free massages. But she got that and she's like, what are we gonna do with this?

3:01We're not coming back down. It expires in June. And I'm just like, let me give it to somebody and we'll figure out, and I'll try to figure out how I can get something out of this because we're not gonna be able to sell it. I'm not gonna sell it to somebody. You know, maybe for half price, that would have been nice. Yeah, everything has a price, you could sell it. But my thought was give it to somebody with the hotel staff and try to cash in on points because they get a little, you know, if you've ever complained during a hotel stay, sometimes you can get something out of it. I've never complained for a hotel stay. Well, ask your wife about this. She would know, yeah. I've had legitimate gaps like they forgot to do this or forgot to do that. And they've given me a free night in point. You're telling me the night in Altoona when I had to stay there and they didn't make up my room and I had like dirty clothes. Somebody else's dirty clothes when I walked in, I could have gotten something out of that. Sometimes, how was young a naive, I'm sorry. Plus there was a king's right across the street. You ever had a king's restaurant in Pennsylvania? Folks, unpaid testimonial, the open face roast beef sandwich, you've gone to heaven. Except it's Pennsylvania.

4:02Oh, it's worth the trip. So I decided to give... Sizzin' heaven to the Altoona. I decided to give Sarah one hour massage to the nice lady behind the front desk in an effort to try to get some hotel points. Did you get anything? I did not get anything. You should have taken them back. Could I have done that? Can I call it today and say, uh, can I have that? Well, let me scratch your back. You scratch my back. You didn't, yeah, you didn't massage for your back. You didn't offer it the right way. No, I brought it up. I brought it up right in front of her right in front of her and her, I don't know if it was her manager or whoever it was. Let me speak to your manager. But she was so thankful. And I had already, we had had a mix up the day earlier. They couldn't time up, you know, doing the beds and everything. So we just had a messy room and full garbage and no toilet paper. So they had already screwed that up. And I'm like, oh, this is gonna be easy now. I'm giving them a one hour massage. Got nothing. Got nothing out of it.

5:02Did they know you're gonna complain about them on the radio later on? I bet they would have changed their tune. Oh, I'm sure they're over there. There's a lot of people here who would like to travel to Sarasota and now they're gonna avoid the whole thing. They did a nice place. Well, was it that nice? If they're not giving you anything back for a free massage? You're cleaning up your room? This is one of that room. This is one of the nice to me. This is well, money-wise. Oh, well. This is one of the nicer ones. So at least you got, you got hoodwinked. I'm mostly getting responses from friends to say I'm crazy and I want a massage. I don't know what people touch me. I'm a hugger and everything like that. I just, you know, knew the- But can't you just get past that for the first minute and be like, all right, no. We've already come to terms with the fact I've got a complete stranger on my bed. No, no. Now it's time to enjoy this. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, no. Cherteless, getting touched. Do you know how much these costs now, like- Make nudity even, no. As- That's fine. You pay all the money you want. I know there's a lot of people getting the sausages. Do you ever get these for Liz? Yeah, I've got them before. I just, I don't want to be- After, after tip, these are getting up to close to $200.

6:04That's fine, good for them. I'm not interested in being there, no. I don't, no. Have you ever had this done? Owen? It's been a while. Back of my travels. We're not talking about that type of things, sir. This is creativity. We're wondering what Owen and Robert Kraft had. It's legal over there. I don't know if we figured it out. We figured it out. It's legal. It's speculation. It's speculation. Just an NFL owner and billionaire and Owen. Bob was stateside. Owen was in the Pacific Rim. It's different. Went to the source. Thank you very much. Should we make a splash for free agency here? We have some new, or we have some rumors here. This isn't necessarily news. But these are rumors here, Robert Breer and Monday morning quarterback. He says you guys are you Browns, you guys. Us are very interested in Chris Paul, not the former NBA player. The commander's guard, Chris Paul. Boy, that would be a Brownsian thing. We sign the basketball player. Commander's Guard Chris Paul, Browns are interested in him. He says he's appeared to have priced himself out

7:04of Washington with teams like Cleveland and Hot Pursuit. Paul became a full-time starter for the first time, three weeks into his fourth pro season. and it's trending to one of those quote, he got what sort of deals? So you're gonna have to overpay for a Chris Paul. Tyler Lindobom, he is not seemingly in the mix for the Cleveland Browns. I'll write some about some teams. Does not necessarily say the Browns. He does, well, he does, excuse me. He's the only person who basically says there's the Browns that are showing interest in here. He says, I expect the commanders, raiders, and Browns, all to be in bidding. I think he's one of the only people I've seen to say the Browns are actually in on Tyler. Like the Browns, I think would be in, but maybe Tyler Lindobom would be back in on the Browns. Like that would be kind of the thing, as we're getting closer to the nitty gritty here with free agency. However, I think the question is, would you splash the pot in free agency? A lot of people just say, yes, it's not my money. You brought up a valid point though. It doesn't seem because Malik Willis,

8:05Mary K said the Browns would be interested in Malik Willis, and they might be hot and heavy for him. I'm getting nothing this morning. It's all Arizona, it's all Miami, Albert Road, Arizona, Albert Road, Miami. Yeah, I'm only seeing the Browns in linked to them. I'm not seeing anything. For a lot of the reasons that I've stated before when we've had these arguments about these QBs, you don't have a whole lot to show them. That would tell them that this is gonna be the place where they get their careers started again. You know, the Kyler Murray, the Malik Willis, the Etcetera, Etcetera, Etcetera guys. Why can't we have a rebirth type of quarterback? Well, this is kind of the situation you're in. Is that you have a quarterback room that will probably be missing Dylan Gabriel at some point here, which I don't think that's gonna break any bronze fans' hearts. You have a quarterback room that's gonna be missing Dylan Gabriel. You have not a lot on your white. I mean, right now we're trying to piecemeal what we're gonna do with the offensive line. The wide receiver room is barren for the most part. There's not a lot you can get with the quarterback. So if you can't go out and make one of those

9:06quarterbacks play for you, depending on how much you love those guys, maybe this is music to your ears. If you can't get those guys to play for you, you got to build some way. You got to get this thing going because you still have quarterbacks that are on your roster that you'll have to protect. Well, I just know that right from the get go and maybe he was downplaying expectations just in case, but Andrew Berry during the Todd Munkin introductory press conference said right off the rip, like, yeah, don't expect us to be going on some spending spree. Don't expect us to bring in a ton of veterans. Like we're gonna be really young. But he said they'd be judicious. Sure. I don't know if that's exactly the word that he used, but he said that they would be targeting some people there. I think immediately it made people like me think, yeah, they want to attack offensive line and they're gonna do that, but they're not gonna be setting the market at positions. Like, I don't think they're gonna be doing that. At this stage of the rounds. If they go get Tyler Lindemann, they're gonna be sending the set in the market at that position.

10:06Yes, so they're gonna outbade all these other playoff things that are desperate. You are so dead real quick. You're so desperate for decent offensive line play. This Chris Paul deal might be if you are actually going to be able to get them, uh, that might be market setting or around market setting. Cause I would send it right there. It quote, he got what type of situation? Like, yeah, like you don't have many court. You don't have many offensive lineman out there that you know can do a good job for even him. I don't know. It's been one year that he's been starting and he's been sturdy. I don't know if I can just throw him in the mix and say that everything's gonna be fine. But you're still gonna pay to find out whether or not he can. That's it. So I think it depends on for so many people. Like, I think there's a lot of folks. If you don't have a quarterback that you're really excited about, what's the point of investing in all those guys? I think you need to still stress yourself. If you're not gonna be ready for 2026 regardless, you gotta be ready for 2027. Depending on what quarterback you're gonna either bring in or what quarterback you're gonna take or whether or not this guy takes off. Cause he's go, whoever's playing quarterback for the bronze,

11:07it looks like they're gonna have a significant challenge ahead of them in 2026. That doesn't mean you just punt to 2027 with the other positions. Because depending on what you have to do, you may have to have guys on four year deals that are free ages because you might have to give up future draft picks to put yourself in a position to take that guy. This today, I'm gonna tell you guys right now. I know we gotta go on this 216474 to below 90. You'll wanna tell you guys right now. This today with this tampering period opening up today, we're gonna start to see some of the deals blossoming this afternoon. This is a very important day for not just this season. I think it's a very important day. We're talking offensive lineman. It's a very important day for the next four years for the bronze because if you get to 2027s draft and you are a six seven win team, well, we're gonna have conversations about the current quarterbacks that they have without a doubt. But if you're not sold on any of those quarterbacks, you're gonna have to give up something to move up there. Cause there might be some teams like the Raiders who they could have for an Indomendoza, they could still suck up the room this coming year. Well, are they gonna be a team that you're willing to move with? There could be another team out there that has young Cubis that might be sucking up the room

12:10that are still committed to those Cubis. You might have to move up there. That's a big issue. 216474 to below 92. We gotta wrap our heads about how important this day really is to the bronze. Dr. John Steinbrecker gonna join us in less than an hour we'll talk in an American tournament with him, an American conference tournament with him, also Sacramento State joining at football wise, and say goodbye to a bronze legend. Just get ready to say hello to him later on. Ken Carm and Anthony Lyme, we'll tell you who that legend is coming up in five on the phone. So breaking news or whether or not you'd want him, cause you know we gotta do it. However, free agency is here nearly officially. Keep it locked 92 through the fan for all the latest breaking news all powered by exterior's plus. John Steinbrecker, nine o'clock this morning, the Dr. John Steinbrecker, Mac mission. According to Ian Rappafort as well as others, to a tongue of Iloa has been just released by the dolphins,

13:14that about a minute ago. So he is, oh God, I hope I got there, right? Somebody just put it out there. Ian Rappafort, that was about eight minutes going on. Cause we was right before the break. To a tongue of Iloa, they're releasing him. Miami on the hook for 54 million guaranteed with offsets, meaning to a tongue of Iloa will play for the minimum next season for someone else. So he gets put in the same category as Kyler Murray basically. All right, you know we got to do it. Are you, do you want to do it? I told you I take Murray over to a, but so I think that makes it obvious what I think about this, but no, I'm not. I'm not, I'm not into this is a reasonable, professional solution in quarterback right now for the brand. Spring is here and the shopping list is long time to make a lows run by three bags. Get three free of stay green one cubic foot garden. So it plus right now members can earn four times the points on an eligible purchase.

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17:18do I sit there and do I yell about whether if we had a great but we agree on to I think this is official show stance. Like nah, if you're going to make a move like that, it would be for Kyler Murray then it wouldn't be for two. I think we all feel the same way. It's like, yeah, no kind of damaged the whole thing. Not just right handed. Yeah, college right handed. Um, I don't know how much that matters either, but you know, what the hell? What the hell, right? That's the difference. Do I do I mention the weather? Do I mention cold weather? He can't play cold weather? Did get brought up obviously for those teams, those Miami teams that was consistently a storyline for them, even as even as they got into the playoffs. It's been that way for 40 years with them. Late December, all those are going to fall apart. Now I mean, it's always been kind of that. That was that was that the team was that their makeup was at the coach was a toa. I can't really say my dad would be able to tell you better. Um, all right. I, we just have to be on the record with all this that two is available now. The whole show doesn't want to for a multitude of

18:19reasons, whether it be weather, whether it be damage goods, whether there's better options available, whole game had to transform because of the concussions. Unfortunately, not like he was always a takeoff and run guy or whatever, but it caused him to be even more skittish in the pocket. And obviously, you always wanted to get to a outside the pocket, but his, his inability to just play like a normal quarterback really, really hurt his, his ceiling and not even his ceiling. I think it just impacted him as a quarterback altogether. I think you're right. I think that he's been a pretty good point guard in his career when he's had that, when he's had that talent around him. He had that town around him in Alabama. Uh, things had to be schemed open. I can understand that at Miami. He did have a little bit of success in Miami. Obviously, after what started out to be kind of a mess. Uh, but no, in that graph, he's not like Justin Herbert, where it seems that you could throw a lot more on Justin Herbert shoulders. Now he's not out of the woods, but it, it would feel like you could throw a lot

19:21more on Justin Herbert shoulders and he could be able to take you a little bit further. You'll for the dolphins, they create this option. Well, I think then then you have to explore the tentacles of it. And this is no fun to a lot of fans out there is that, well, that probably, if I, if I were to link Willis, I'd be looking to a lot of different other places. I got to tell you, because I, if you want to talk about options to play quarterback, I'll tell you right now, if you really want Malik Willis, Anthony, you should be pounding the table against the dolphins about bringing Malik Willis in here. I, the dolphins are a team that looks like they're getting ready for 2027, except if they got and get Malik Willis, depending on the money, they give them the contract that they give them. But if you want Malik Willis, that bad tone, like, they're getting rid of two down there. Is this not your chance to, to pound the table for him? I don't really understand either destination. One has Marvin Harrison Jr. The other one has Jalen Waddle. Both teams look like they're trying to get ready for next year or the year after that. I don't understand it from Lee Quillis on, on either end. I wouldn't understand it from our end here. But if you're considering Arizona and Miami, I guess the weather's the only thing that would be

20:23the security factor to it. John is right about that. Then because I'm like, well, the Brown situation, I don't know, Miami and Arizona don't have the type of defense the Browns have. I don't think to I don't think too is going to. Like in his case, I don't think he, this is it for him, right? I'm talking about too. I'm talking about Malik Willis. Well, Malik Willis, I think is somebody who can be selective. So, yeah, if he has a, but he has a team that is more stable, but one of the situations, I think he'd probably be more prone to pick that than Cleveland or Miami. What's what makes Arizona and Miami more stable? No, I'm saying it. I don't think Arizona is stable either. But if that's the two teams that Albert Brear has that that are honing in the most on him, I'm sorry, if I don't even want to make the argument for it, because you know where I stand on all this, but I'll make the argument for it. I guess I'll play doubles advocate. What does Miami and Arizona have over us? Whether it's one thing, whether it can't be the end, I'll be all. If I'm willing to offer you, I think we proved in college football, if I'm willing to offer you millions of dollars more, then you should be able to come play for us. Because if I look at a team by team,

21:24okay, Jeff Halfley's there. There is some, there is some experience together. That's a defensive coach, though. If you were that excited about the offense, maybe that's one of the contributing factors to it. I know that they do have a better number one wide receiver than we do. They're neither defense as as good as our defense. I, if I'm not mistaken, they've gotten rid of a couple of key pieces down there in Miami when it comes to their defense. Like I think Miami's making it not official, but almost official that they might be getting ready for 2027. And what quarterback class there is there is to go there. Yeah, if they're really ready, then why are, why are we linking Malik Willis to either one of these destinations? Yeah. Graziano has, you know, among the teams like the dolphins and the Browns also has the Steelers and the Vikings. See, I, and if it's the Steelers and the Vikings, I think he's probably going to be choose if it were up to them. And it was all the same. And that would make sense. That's what, and I've been trying to say, I've been trying to say Pittsburgh for a while. And it's just Will Howard, Will Howard, and I like Will Howard too. But I'm thinking, all right, if you wanted to go for consistency, they would have a better

22:26number one than what we have in Pittsburgh and Minnesota, they should have a better number one than what we have, obviously. So you have those two components there. You have consistency there with those two teams. You have two teams that make the playoffs to a, an up and down rate, how much is expected out of them? The, there's opportunity for either one of those places. And yes, one does play indoors. Those places make sense. Miami and Arizona. If those teams are in the mix, then why wouldn't the Browns be in the mix? If you really want to Malik Willis, like, there's a lot of people who seem to want Malik Willis, then why wouldn't the Browns be in the, that's my question. Like the, if it's those two teams, and, and you like Malik Willis at all, you should be pounding the table that says we should be in the mix for this guy compared to those two others that are not better situations and ours. Yeah, I think all these bad situations are kind of lumped together to be honest. So every time I see, every time I see, I, I see like the Browns, the Jets, um, yeah, and these are, these are two of those teams. Obviously, you know, they went over, uh, had turnover in their coaching

23:27staffs, just like we did. Uh, the, the one thing we got going for us, I guess is that we've got, we've got an owner who has been aggressive and has had more cash to deal with, which supposedly is some big advantage in the cap, but it has it been a huge advantage, you know, in free agency, you know, you've spent two months, a month and a half. I mean, you basically can take a wheel and put different QBs names and spin the wheel on that day we land on that QB. You and I have had arguments about Kylermer, you and I have had arguments days of arguments about Malik Willis. You've actually opened my mind up a little bit to Malik Willis. And here I am three and a half hours away from the tampering period. And I'm not hearing any passion out of you from the Malik Willis stuff or any of the other stuff. Yeah, I would say have you come around to the idea of shooting or starting the year and just getting ready for door for 2027 and beyond. I think it's more that I've just, I'm kind of assuming that the Browns didn't have the interest in Willis or that it wasn't mutual. Well, shouldn't you be mad then? I, here's my mad face. Yeah, I mean, I, I would

24:30take a shot at Malik Willis, absolutely. Do you get what I'm saying here, Owen? I mean, I've been talking about Malik Willis for two months. Okay. So the chance that when it actually comes down, the Browns are not going to go after Malik Willis and you're just okay with it. I know me and I know if I really wanted a guy that bad and the Browns were going after him, I'd probably be very upset. I, I think I have said repeatedly that I, I, I like Willis. I think he is worth taking a stab at. I think you can cut bait if he's really bad this year. And it's just a total disaster. So I don't think it would be that prohibitive. So yeah, go, go after Willis. I think I've been pretty adamant about that for the last week. I mean, he's, he's an expensive quarterback. It's not like you're just going to, honestly, I don't think he's middle the road. He's middle the road in terms of what starting quarterbacks making this league. I mean, we're talking 25 million a year. Some people have said the 30. Now it's going down lower. It wasn't 30 last week. Now it's time to 25. I just, the more and more guys have talked, they're like, he'll get, he'll get 20, 25. That's what he'll get.

25:31All right. That's, that's below. I don't know. The franchise, the franchise tag in the NFL is going to be 45. I'm kind of taking up a weird five here. I'm just, did they say it's going to go up to like 45? I haven't heard even north of that. Are you picking up a vine? But it was where you're coming from. It was six weeks of knocked on drag out. Like it was basically, and we, you know, people, I was the culmination day a month ago and you, I think it's just, I haven't seen anybody say it's, it's actually going to happen. Now that, that, that's two sided that both the Browns aren't really in on them. And he's upset that. And he's, no, but remember, he, he's not in on it. He's a free agent. He could go wherever he wants. And the Browns are just never going to be for any quarterback that's available and has multiple teams that they could go after. The Browns are always going to be considered on the lower end of that, right? And it's like, if it were one thing, if it were just up to us, but it's not up to us. But I don't think we're a, here I am making an argument for a guy I don't even want. We're not a, I don't think we're a worse situation than Miami and in Arizona. And we're not, are we, are we, are we really

26:36that much worse off than those two teams? Say that with that much confidence. Look at them. I think if you were to ask people around the NFL, they probably see, yeah, the problem. It's the same five. No, we're getting out of waiting. Cleveland bubble right now. Am I? Yeah, I do. I don't know. I've looked at both of those teams making these arguments because I want to argue again. I mean, I don't see much of a damn difference. I don't know that free agency just comes down to football play, right? And all three franchises have been really bad, right? One has the defensive player of the year. That's the only difference. Maybe that's why you're putting the browns above them. But when you go destination wise, when you throw football out of it, it's, I mean, Miami, look, look at their wins over the last seven, 10, nine, nine, 11, eight, seven. Like, yeah, Miami's considered and has been considered and it has been better than the browns. They have been better than the browns. Pretty decisive. They have been better than the browns. But then they get rid of their people. They get rid of their general manager. They get rid of guys key pieces on defense here. Like they're in a build situation themselves.

27:37Either be for that. Adam Gays had a 10 win season. Okay. But I'm not even going back that far. I'm going right now. They've had three coaches that they've been able to get double digit wins. But the Adam Gays Sarah doesn't matter to me about signing Malik Willis. No, I know. I just think that if you, if you were to ask anybody in the NFL over time, like who's been a worse, a worse setup, it's some browns. I feel that all the same are in the same $5 bin. I don't know if I really want to make a huge argument about who team, which team is bad between teams that are known to be bad teams? Like the chefs and the dolphins and the browns and the, and the Arizona Cardinals. If you're Malik Willis and you're reaching out to other guys around the league and you're going, what situation is the best situation? Even from a football playing standpoint, but from an organization standpoint, go back to those NFL PA grades. The browns were what? 31st 30th? The dolphins were number one. That's a different round. I can't make a number one. Three million dollars doesn't make that difference. I can't make a difference with three or four million dollars. Three

28:38even five. Yeah, I don't know that three, three, four, five million dollars does make a difference in that. Well, we're talking about because it's not in the 20s and going into the 30s anyway. So I want everybody to understand this here. If you're not in on Malik Willis, Ken is stunned that people might not have a favorable look of where the browns are. No, I'm not stunned about that. I'm just stunned that they're that much meek in. And I was a free agent. I would not pick the Cleveland Browns over the Miami. And that's a match at South Florida. And they're going to talk about the taxes. It's not about me being pro browns, Mr. Brown and Orange color glasses. That's not it. I'm more perturbed that I spent six weeks. Are you about Malik Willis and Kyler Murray and Tua and every QB that could be a possibility under the sun. And then this one over here just charges and shoulders at me goes, yeah, that's a situation. So wasn't really anybody but but should or was it really anybody? But you know, we were just trying to get through shows. I just told you I guess if it were me, I really wanted to guy that badly. I'd be on the table right now. I just said I didn't want to. I don't want Anthony Richardson. So you don't want anybody. No, I said me this entire time.

29:42I said I wanted Malik Willis. I would I would take a stab at it. That sound like it right now. But if it if it doesn't seem like it's within the realm of possibilities and what are we wasting our time and realize we just accept our face around here. We don't say it louder. They make them better by say it louder. The Browns will do it. Shouldn't you just be saying to throw money at them then? It doesn't money. It is not money. The end all be all. I every time I leave them that much. Every time. Spring is here and the shopping list is long time to make a blows run by three bags. Get three free of stay green one cubic foot garden soil. Plus right now members can earn four times the points on an eligible purchase. Start spring off strong with these deals and more. Our best lineup is here at Lowes. Balance the three twenty five while supplies last. Soil offer excludes the last and who I loyalty program subject to terms and conditions. See those comms last terms for details. Subject to change point booster subject to exclusions and more terms apply one time only offer. Get more out of every mile when you share the ride to work. With car pulling you'll have time to relax save money and pick up new friends. Commuter connections can help you find carpool

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33:52like we're going after some offensive lineman who you've never heard about, except for Tyler and the bomb they've never heard of him. You'd never heard of Chris Paul before him. Maybe two of you have, okay? And here we got this quarterback situation and less it's Ty Simpson, which it really shouldn't be Ty Simpson. I mean, you might need to take model glue and paint my face right next to the table here because this is ridiculous. If it ain't Ty Simpson and a damn sure ain't going to be Fernando Mendoza, like what you see is what you get with your quarterback room. We're supposed to be okay with this. All you guys yelling at me about your door and how I'm Mr. Shedore and how I'm a leader of some fake cult. All you guys yelling at me, this is your chance. I got three hours before the, before the tampering deadline here. All you guys yelling at me about quarterbacks, you have your chance. The king who's yelling at me about quarterbacks over the last six, six weeks has his chance. He ain't even yelling at me right now. Yeah, I mean, I said, I said for about a month that I would go after. Okay, okay. I haven't changed my mind on that. No, I'm very passionate. I'm not getting much passionate on it. I'll say it louder. Go get the league, Willis. Here we go. Okay, well, you can boom. Okay, the sarcasm is,

34:53it's fantastic. I'll add another boom exclamation. Just, we would just accept it. You guys say I accept losing around here, my God. 216474 to below 92. All right, Dr. John, I call it. I'm acting tonight. I call my ass, Dr. John Steinberger about this at nine. I'll get to you guys coming up in five on the fan. I'm going to be accused of trying to be difficult. I'm not trying to be difficult. I have to bring in an impartial third party here. I guess I have to bring in, I might even have to bring in Keith. I'm not trying to defend the bronze and say that they are a better situation than any of them. I just think they're comparable. The only difference would be I guess whether, okay, whether it has a significant part of it. Okay, I guess. I'm getting people saying, social media reactions are brought to you by. Chai Benjiller's clearance from your joker store. Like, I'm going back and forth with Colin here who's a listener and thank you very much, Colin. He's like, we can't afford, we can't afford Malik Willis. And I go, yes, we can. Like, Jack Duffin has played it all out.

35:55Like, you can afford Malik Willis. And I really did think I was going to have this great big fight on my hands about Shedore and starting the season and at least having him start the year and see where the season goes. And if it does go our way fine, if it doesn't, then fine. And I'm just surprised. Here we are. And I'm just over three hours away from the tampering period. What starts at noon, rumors are swirling. They're releasing two of this morning in Miami. We already know the Malik Willis is going to be a free agent. We already knew that Kyla Murray is going to be a free agent. And it's just quiet. I go, well, have I represented the great silent minority this entire time? Have I just are like, this is your time to strike guys. Like the deal start getting made this morning. The deals are probably already starting to swirl right now. They call it a tampering period like people ain't tampering already. So you can go for one of these QBs or you can just do Shedore and have Shedore start the season.

36:55More than likely. Of course, I know I have my theory about, well, if it's a real true competition, I'm afraid one guy who used to play at an MVP level, might look real good against air and OTA. But that's a, that's a different thing, right? So let's go to this. Now you guys know I like Shedore fair enough, but if they found somebody better, okay, let's have that discussion. But I've had these, it is March 9th. So basically since the end of the season, we're going on eight weeks now actually. I've had these fights with you over these QBs through the playoffs, through this off season. And here we are on the day. And I'm like Hulk Hogan trying to hear anybody out there yelling at me about anybody but Shedore Sanders over here. And I gotta tell you, I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm not trying to even defend the bronze. I'm just shocked at the lack of what I'm hearing right now. I thought the moment, like I really did, I can make an argument that at least has you in the same category as Arizona and Miami. These are not great franchises. You are not a great franchise either.

37:55It doesn't mean the bronze are better. It means the bronze are comparable. And if I can't make this argument for this one, I think when people are telling me, without telling me, including you, Anthony, he said, yeah, and you're hard of hearts. Yeah, let's see what Shedore does this year. And then we'll just get ready for 2027. Yeah, by the way, Arizona was closer to first offensively last year than the Browns were to Arizona. I know. I know. I think you might have been a little off on comparing us to Arizona either way. I'll compare all day long. And I just, I look at the NFL PA great things. And it's hard to tell because all those coaches got fired and all that and that's where it comes to. But facilities wise, Miami is, Miami's number one overall. Arizona's 31st, the Browns are 30th. Ownership wise, Arizona's behind. Yeah, we're not going to win too many face-offs these. I know you hate to say it or admit it. We're not going to win too many face-offs with these two. I've just admitted it like four times to you. Over the last 20 minutes, you put us all in the same bin and what owns you is not the same. I think bad is bad. And I don't think there's much of a difference in bad. I think it's all a big $5 minute Walmart.

38:57That's what I think it is. And I think you and I might think that I get a big fight. I'm telling you is the players don't think that players and that's who he's going to talk to in the agent. I'm sorry. If I get offered $3 extra million and I'm going over some NFL PA thing is my difference between $3 extra $4 extra $5 million, that's. But somebody with options and it sounds like Malik Willis has options. It's not just going to be about $3 million. It's going to be situation. He just sat there and rehabbed the entire, the entire story line on his career, which is just a start and a half and development in a good building. And so good building is what Malik Willis is probably thinking is going to help him long term and help him get the next contract and what I am. So it's not just going to be about the 25 or 20, you're saying $3 million more. It's not about that with the next team because if that were the case, yeah, he would just go to the highest. It's going to be about where do I, where do I go where I can tear up this contract and catapult me to the big numbers, the 50 million, the 55 million down the road.

40:01Okay. That's a great point. And if you think that Malik Willis could be that much of a difference maker for you, you should be yelling that money counts and you should be spending money on him. That's been my issue. I think it's a whole thing. I think you want the guy for a month and a half to say that I think it's worth. I don't think the salary is prohibitive. I don't think that's going to, I don't think it's going to doom the Browns for five years if they miss on him. So if it's done, I have been, I've been honest. I have no idea. I have no idea if he's going to be good. How can anybody get? It's like a rookie. That's the same thing as a rookie. And I've said the difference is he's a rookie that would actually come with about the same guaranteed amount, maybe even a little less than a first overall pick. And you get the benefit of having him already developed an ENFL and you've got the chance to see him in games, high leverage situations in cold weather, down the stretch on national television. That is where I said, I think he's got the edge over some of these other. Why aren't you saying you bet on him over Shadoor Sanders? That would be it because if it just comes down to money, I mean, you're giving me all

41:03these reasons that I'm familiar with. Why have I have said that? What do you mean? Then why aren't you pounding the table for him right now? Let's go. Give him a equal. Let's go. I mean, I think I just haven't said the same thing for a month. I can't be nuts. I love what you're the one getting me to be mad because again, I did I or did I not spend too much yelling with this man, too much. So you know where you stand with this man. And then the day it's open, it's just, we just accept it. So you're just, you're just asking me things we've gone over. Am I crazy? I guess I just repeat at the start of every show I should have said. Here's my own. I think I think the second of the day, what you've done, I think it would be a good move. What you've done. What you have done. Thank you, Anthony. Let's move on. We've gotten that out of the way. It's the most important position on the field. Here. It's arguably one of the most important positions in sports and a day that you have where you can actually go after the guy. Nothing is said. It's all quiet on the western front. That's why I don't believe anything of what you've just said to me over the last two months, other than just to raise my blood pressure. At least when I'm in making arguments about your North Sanders, I've met the arguments. Seems to have happened again.

42:04It doesn't. Well, yeah, because it's anything to just get me worked up, but at least I stand for something. I don't know where you stand on any. Well, you've already flip-flopped today. What did I flip-flopped? What did I flip-flopped on? You already said today in the last segment when you got all heated down. I'm not. I don't want the leak. Well, that's not what you said a week ago or two weeks ago. You're like, I said, I was open-minded to Malik Willis. But I'm not going to sit there and make a big bunch of arguments. Where? How do you feel? Are you the one who wanted to replace it right up? And then where's your passion? So the ones who want to get... Why did you just flip-flop again? I'm showing more passion. I'm flip-flopped. So Malik Willis. But at least I didn't say something for too much about wanting to bring in another guy. Let's see if Ken. And then the day you can actually start to bring him in. Let's see if Ken says exactly what he said last week. I don't know, Ken. Kenny Malik Willis. I don't know, Ken. Yes or no, I'm Malik Willis today. No, fine. Well, that's a flip-flop. A Ken Carmen classic. That's not a flip-flop. That's not a flip-flop. That's not a flip-flop. That's not a flip-flop. That's not a flip-flop. I'm just trying to get... I'm trying to get Ken Carmen in question. That you gave me two months ago and then you said, you can't give me. Ken has gone back and forth and now he's... The pendulum is swung again. I've been consistent. No, have you... Yes.

43:04You just asking me a thousand times, right? I told you a thousand times. I'm going to point it out. That I would go after Malik Willis. Is that going to give me to change my mind? If she does change her mind as easily as Ken does, apparently. If she'd or Sanders goes out there and sucks up the room. I can't. In four broadcast days, it changes my mind again. I didn't go out there and change anything. If she'd or Sanders goes out there and sucks up the room. I just want everybody to know this. I want to replay this audio. Because you had your chance. You had your chance upon the table to yell at Andrew Verity. Oh. Y'all have to have some steel at everybody to bring that... To rise this boat, to raise this boat in this tide. And you didn't pound for it. You're supposed to be what's out for what's best for this franchise. And all you wanted to do was just get through the segments with me. You don't stand for anything with... You can say it louder and more mean and more red face. Just get you have a different hue on your face. That's not standard for something. You're arguing. Did... Oh, and did Kenny not stay last week? Not only was he open to Malikwell. It's like, yeah, he would take a stab. He did say that. What did he say today? He said no to Malikwell. What changed? It's the right... It's the right... Where's the right... I don't stand for something. I don't stand for a stab. I don't stand for a stab. I don't want to talk to anyone.

44:04I don't stand for it. I don't stand for it. But maybe I don't stand for a stab. Where's Ken gonna be on fire? If you're telling people you could be talked into it, you're saying you would take a stab. No, I'm not. If I wanted to say I would take a stab on him, that means I'm actually bringing him a contract and signing the contract. Let's see what... That's not what I said. I never said that. I never said that. I never said that. No. It's different from last week's hour number four. You're hosting with Kenny Carmen. Not Nick Wilson. I know we're brother, large people. But you know I stand for what I'm saying. No, it's your job, Ken. I'm sorry. I brought that at Nick. No, it's gonna rip me later on today. And I apologize for that, Nick. Please, that one got out of the cage. I'm sorry. It's apparently I'm the bad boy. Why is it always me? Why is it always me? I just want to show everybody. I'm trying. Ken is just ready to punt until 2020. He said, no, I'm trying to find ways to get better. You're trying to make too many. I'm just trying to find ways to get better. I'm trying to find ways to get better. I'm trying to find ways to get better. 216-474-192.

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