HOUR 3: Why do we still allow Pharma ads?

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1:01true crime cases, chilling tales of backwards horror and more. So if you're looking to join a passionate community of the Darkly Curious, check out Heart Starts pounding on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. And remember, stay curious. You're listening to the Dana N. Park's podcast on KMBZ. What's the name of that brat? Oh, let's not please give her no more attention or airtight. Her name is so stupid. Can I say it? Yes, please. But had the Habie, was her rapper name, B-H-A-D, B-H-A-B-I-E, the had the Habie. Big Shakespeare reader. Yeah, really. Oh, yeah. Big. Catch me outside or not to catch me outside. How about that? How about that? Very good. Was there a story in the stack today that the number of, um, was it car wrecks go up

2:02based on when certain albums are released? Did you see this? Oh, I haven't seen this. I saw the headline. I cannot believe that story. From the National Bureau of Economic Research, they studied public safety and fatal car accidents on days that major albums were released. Some of the, the information they compiled was from the money supermarket analysis and they looked at beats per minute. Okay. So any album that averaged more than 120 beats per minute was directly associated with an increase. So Barry Manelow's greatest hits, probably not, the box set re-release, probably not on a day where we see a live car wreck. You're going to live. Oh, I'm sure there's a bell curve there because with Barry Manelow, there's going to be a lot of car wrecks because people will be asleep, you know? He's fighting for his life. Come on now. I'll tell you one of the, one of the times I was pulled over. I want to say one of the tickets I got, because I think I got a warning.

3:02I was, oh my gosh, cranking on Mission Road, one of the songs from, um, the Tortured Poets Department. Willie Nelson's son, Luke Nelson, who did all of the guitar work in a star is born. And there is a song, it's just, and it is just Luke Wilson just killing the guitar. Any time that you saw Bradley Cooper playing guitar or on stage next to a guy playing guitar in that movie, it was Willie Nelson's son. And there are a couple of tracks on that album and it was a nice day out. It was like 75. I had the windows down and I, I was speeding. I looked down and burp. How do you get out of tickets? I just said when he came to the window, have you heard this song? I just don't even know what's happening right now, it's so good. Okay. Uh, let's see how well you know your own body, okay?

4:03What is the filtrum? The filtrum is part of your, um, breathing systems, that is incorrect. I have no idea, I don't even know what we call our breathing systems. By the way, all of these are on the outside of your body. Oh, what you said has said that. It does kind of matter with your breathing system. On the outside of your body. It really doesn't. Is it more to your nose? Scott? No, but you're very close. Lower, higher. Your filtrum is the dip between your upper lip, the groove, it's the curvature, yeah. Right there. Right there on the outside. Okay. What's the lanula? Oh, that sounds like it's, it's not, well, it is lower than your mouth. It's a new dance. It's not in that region. Okay. Uh, is it your navel? It is not, your lanula is the white half moon shape on your finger now.

5:06Oh, the lanula, hmm, like that. What is the globella? Globella. It also sounds kind of dirty. Globella. Most people have this, but, um, there's a famous basketball player who does not. Does not have a globella. Right. What? I have no idea. What would you not have that wouldn't be like? It is the space between your eyebrows. Oh. So if you have a unibrow, you don't have a globella. Globella. Okay. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, what is, okay. The columnella. Colomella. Mm-hmm. I'm looking at yours right now. Oh, the columnella, uh, is it, um, um, um, nope, uh, is it your nose? It's part of your nose. Does the middle part? No, it is not. I have no idea. It is the skin between your two nostrils. There are people who will pierce that. That is cold. I do not understand that. I do not like the, the bowl ring that people put in their nose.

6:12The pain that must be associated with that procedure. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Uh, the nassian. Nassian. Mm-hmm. And I'm looking at yours right now. You're nassian. Is it your middle of your forehead? You're close. No idea. Is this space between your eyes? Oh, right there. That's the nassian. Okay. And, um, let's see if we can find one more here real quick. Sometimes I've taken anatomy. The perlacue. Ooh, the perlacue. Yeah, perlacue. I like that noise. The perlacue. You just used it. The perlacue. To take your glasses off of your face. Uh, my fingers. Close. No idea. You're in, you're, you're in the neighborhood. Stay in the neighborhood. Uh, my, the perlacue. The tips of my fingers. The perlacue is this web space between your thumb and your index finger. All right. So you've teed this up with these weird body questions over the weekend. If you guys were watching a lot of basketball like we were, they have come up with a drug

7:14to try and sell the public for just about anything you can imagine on cable shows and sports shows. Yes. Okay. Back and forth between basketball and the players on the golf channel. And there is a new ad to fix your crooked finger. Did anyone else see it? Is it this one? It is. Or you can't lay your hand. Don't waste. Ad. I thought it was an SNL parody. The guy comes out. Sam. Like the big carried out. He comes. Yes. Yes. He comes out and he goes, do you have a bent finger? And then the wife is in the background and she goes, mm-hmm. And he goes, and you've been thinking about going to a specialist for years, but you just can't find a specialist. You don't even know where to go. And she goes, sometimes he can't even lay his hand flat. And I looked at Johnny. I go, is this a joke? There is no way this is a thing. And then they say in the ad, see if you can lay your, can you bend your fingers? And Johnny goes, I can bend all of them.

8:15Yeah. They all bend. And the guy lays his hand down, Sam. And then he goes, if you can't do this, it's time to go to find a handdoctor.com. Where do you it ran all weekend? Why didn't they have Buggermick Farlin be the spokesperson? Does his fingers don't move? Google Buggermick Farlin's hands. I'm good. I don't need to Google that. No, he's a pointy blower. No, he's a pointy blower. No, he's a pointy blower. When he's pointing forward, you don't know which way he's pointing. Because he's got three different fingers pointing three different directions. You add for people who can't bend a finger. And I guarantee you the drug has a Q, an X, a Y or a Z or a V in it. They all do. This is often touted as a quote, new problem or a persistent issue. Okay, which one is it? Some people call it trigger finger, trigger finger symptom education. What's the drug? It was more we were going to help you find a hand doctor that deals with this.

9:19And I thought, okay. And then he says, and if they say surgery, keep looking, get another opinion. Yes. What is that out about? How many people out of the millions of dollars they spent on this ridiculous ad are going, well, gosh darn it, honey, we've been sitting here dealing with your bent finger for years. It's time to put an end to it. It's not a bent finger. It's the joint and the, whatever the appendage is that leads into your finger that makes it work. It's not a thing, literally. And if it was a thing, we have something now called the Google. We don't need an ad for this. And if they tell you they can't help you. I'm getting a second opinion. I swear, this is why America is going straight down the drain. No, it's why your insurance is so expensive. That too. It is why your insurance is so expensive. If you watch, I swear to God in heaven.

10:19Let's do one of these ads. Are you struggling with a finger that gets stuck or clicks when you bend it? No. You may have trigger finger. Okay. Okay. Okay. They were also playing it all throughout golf. And I thought if you have this particular issue, you're not golfing. You're not golfing. No, I swear to God, Dana, go watch any spend one hour, anytime in the next seven days, watching either CNN or MSNBC or Fox News. A lot of eczema ads out there. It is all honest to God. It is all insurance and drugs. That's all it is. Oh, and five, eight, eight, two, three hundred empire today, dot com, those are the only ads that they run is insurance companies, drug companies, and empire today. It's the demographics.

11:21My God, wait, is it the same drug as the bent carrot commercial? No. That's aaroni's disease. That's when you have a bent carrot. That's, yeah, no, but I'm looking it up and it's saying zyaflex for the bent carrot and zyaflex for the bent finger. Oh, no, we're zyaflex. There's two exes in there, two of them. Two bends on your body. You probably do need to go see as well as stiff hands, often people are prescribed zyaflex. Well, you know, if you watch those commercials about Peroni's disease, one in ten men have Peroni's disease. And how do you know this, Scott? I've got somebody to fix that. There's an app for that. Yeah, it's zyaflex for both. What the heck? Well, maybe the reason your hand looks like that is the same reason your other thing is like that. All right, all right. I think they're different. Straighten it out. Straightenitout.com. Dupetrends. Contracture. Maybe the two have been in contact a little too often.

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13:24Every week is a new episode and a new story. It's okay, I like, it's almost like a university on a siege. Listen to and follow Campus Files, available now wherever you get your podcasts. People on the text line say John L. Wei has the trigger finger deal, and it's incredibly painful. When you think about the ad that we were all subjected to all weekend, whatever sports you were watching, this ad was not specifically for the medication. So you could go hound your doctor that you haven't seen because you have that issue. It was about how to find a doctor to fix your hand. And the millions of dollars they must have spent. Or your dollars, if this was a grant or it's called to putons contracture. How to find a hand doctor.com.

14:24Why do we need that? And who's paying for that? I guarantee you the answer is you. You are paying for that. Not the insurance company. That's the last thing we want you to get fixed. Peggy and St. Joe. Hello Peggy. Hi. Hi. Y'all are cracking me up talking about this. My husband is a welder. And he has to hold the trigger down on his welder. And they're not allowed because of safety reasons to use a trigger lock. So he has trigger finger really bad on his left hand because he's left handed. And he welds. And he cannot straighten his ring finger very good at all. And there are times when it locks up and he can't open it for hours. Does it always affect the ring finger because in the commercials, it's always the ring finger? I don't know. He just happens to be that's the finger. He has to hold the trigger down on his welder. So. Did he know going into that industry, Peggy? Funny. Did he know going into that industry that that was going to be a thing?

15:28Oh, no. No. No, because normally you use trigger lock, but because EPA or that, you know, OSHA says you can't use them because they're, you know, if something were to happen and the trigger is still on, then it can cause the worst accident. So you're not allowed to use them. Okay. So. And when you say he can't, it's funny, but it's not funny, you know? When you say he can't unlock his finger for how long again? There have been times that it's been locked for about four hours. Oh my. Oh gosh. And it's very painful. It's like having a severe cramp that you can't get out. Yep. I know exactly what you're talking about, Peggy. Laney and Blue Springs Laney, good afternoon. Hello. Good afternoon. Hi. Yes. My complaint is that, you know, like you said, there's so many of these medicine commercials that just run one after another after another. And I thought, why can't they do some public service announcements of don't use a crypto machine?

16:28Yeah. You get rid of some of these medicine commercials that's ridiculous. Something that would be beneficial to the overall public, Laney. Hey, exactly. You know, who would, who would pay for that? That's a big go. There it is right there. The reason that CNN or Fox or MSNBC or name your channel that they're not going to run PSAs telling people, hey, don't, don't fall for the scam about going to a crypto ATM is because there's no money in it. They're not going to give up 30 seconds of valuable time where they're getting paid thousands of dollars to give away the store. Yes, I agree. It's very frustrating, though. Okay. And by the way, watch these commercials, these drug commercials. Every one of them has a queue of V and X, a Y or Z in the time in the name. I think we all know we need Skyris and I don't even look so happy. I don't even know what Skyris he does. I think I want it. Here's what I know that he talks to your doctor now.

17:30Wait a minute. Skyris is the brand name. The drug name is a risen chism abriza, risen chism abriza. Now I do know that olympic makes you want to work on the car engine with your son and then walk away with a bunch of strangers. Yes. I do know that part. Yeah. Well, you know why those commercials are so confusing, right? No. They are not allowed to in any way imply what the medication will do. But yeah, they tell you what it will do in smoke and learning like with the actors, they can't show you that. They can be users of this drug had a in trials had a 25% better reaction than doing nothing at all. That's what they can do. They can't say, take this and you'll lose weight for the olympic example. Yeah. So they can show a bunch of skinny people, but they can't show some guy who's not skinny and then jabbing himself with a needle and then skinny. So all I know watching these commercials is that I either want to abandon my son at

18:34the car engine, the got the point that you're fixing its carburetor. I want to go to one of these wine tasting painting classes. Yeah. Or I want to harvest oysters and then cook them at a dock and eat them with my friends. You know, we could disallow and other countries have done this and some states have done this. Disallow all sorts of things that as a society, we decide are not good for the general public. We could disallow commercials about prescription medicines, just like we have disallowed commercials about cigarettes. You never see a television ad for a cigarette anymore. We are the only country that allows pharmaceutical agencies to advertise. Is that a fact or one of two, I think we could disallow it just as we have allowed it. At least one state, I think it's Florida disallowed billboard advertising for the 600 medical

19:40malpractice attorneys that were clogging the roadways. Have you noticed when you travel, other cities and the frequency with which they allow those billboards because there are some places notably down south where it's every 15 feet. Scott and I am not kidding you. Vegas was probably the worst for what sort of law. In fact, there were ads in Vegas that said, been injured on the job in a casino called San. Really? Yes. Like targeted specific. What's your trip on the carpet? Yes. Here's one slip and fall while you were at a casino. Call this number now. I mean, they are everywhere and I think it's Florida that just said, we're not going to allow that anymore. 913-586-779-8586-779-8, you're on Damon Parks.

20:45Update to a story that you will remember if you were in this town back in the early 2000s. A woman convicted of killing her husband in a brutal, homicide so brutal that there were detectives at that scene that say they will never forget it as long as they live is now up for parole after 25 years. Her name was Tyler Block Patton. Remember that name, Scott Blonde? Convicted of beating her husband to death with a two by four while he slept is up for parole for the first time and the people who loved him are asking the public to help keep her behind bars. Block Patton, who now goes by Tyler and Block, was convicted of first degree premeditated murder in the death of her husband, Ed Patton, Jr., a well-known Overland Park real estate broker. The murder was in their home, Scott.

21:48I interviewed this woman in her mother-in-law's house. She had already killed him. Everyone kind of knew it was probably her. She was dumb enough to agree to an interview. Why? There wasn't a lot going on upstairs, okay? She didn't call authorities till two days after. He was bludgeoned to death seven, eight, nine times with a two by four in bed while he slept. Her DNA was found on that two before outback, so was his. And to this day, she will not admit that she did it, but she is so guilty and she is now up for parole. It's been 25 years. She got life, but it's been 25 years. And? Does she get out? I think all of the detectives who are still around, as well as his family will come forward. I think his mom's probably long past. They will come forward and absolutely try to block this.

22:49She's now 75. This was a savage. Was there a motive? Not that one would be. Money. She wanted out. There was an argument on tape. They'd only been married. I think a year. I know the feeling. And when she called 911 to report something was wrong, he had been dead for two days. And I'll never forget it when authorities got to the house. She's the woman that kept saying, they killed him. I knew they killed him. They were going to kill him. They killed him. And I asked her later, what do you mean by that? You said they killed him. And she goes, the cigarettes, I mean, I just knew when they got there that, you know, the cigarettes, probably finally got him with a two by four. She was a bizarre, loony, bizarre human, and what are you thinking the entire time you're doing this interview that she killed her husband? And are you thinking, keep talking or you need to shut up?

23:49Did you kill her? Did you kill him? And she said, no, but she looked down to the left when she said it. You know what that means? No. I did not. Of Ed, his friend, Paul Swanson, who worked as a real estate agent for him, said he was gentle. He was kind. He was funny. He had a very generous personality. Said he learned of Ed's death when he saw his house on the evening news. I said, oh my God, that's Ed's house. 25 years is not enough because it was so brutal. Normal people do not bash somebody in the head over and over and over again. She should not be on the streets. I would not feel safe with her out. Paul Morrison tried that case and said that letters and testimony from people are helpful when the parole board is looking at stuff. He also says he has never seen the board release someone convicted of premeditated first degree murder at the first eligible hearing.

24:50But I always wonder in cases like this when it's a woman. She presents as a 75 year old woman, some would call that elderly, Scott. I don't. But I think most people would, most people would. And does she really present a danger to anyone else? If it was a man, I don't even think we'd be talking about it. No, we wouldn't. If a man had bludgeoned his wife with a two by four, that's severely, he's a threat to society. There's no chance that this guy is getting out of prison after 25 years. Ed Patton had no defensive injuries on his hands or arms indicating he was sound asleep or otherwise incapacitated when he was killed. And she did it for the money. I believe at the time he did have a sizable a state where there are any affairs going on. A sizable a state. And I think if memory serves, he had life insurance, okay.

25:55So yeah, that's, I mean, she's not even a good liar. If you're opening line is I knew they did it at least come up with something about how he had some bad business deal with somebody, in fact, you know that show snapped. It was that. Everyone saw you see this on like identity discovery. And one day she just snapped. They did an entire episode on that case. Okay. She should not get out. And I hope that her gender does not play a role in that decision. A story here from the Associated Press. Jet fuel prices are rising as the war in the Middle East disrupts global oil supplies putting cost pressure on airlines as the busy summer travel season approaches. Experts say it is not a question of if airfares are going to go up, but when for how long and for how much, something close to me just bought some tickets to New York, cannot surprise you that the cost of jet fuel would follow what we're saying at the bottom of

26:56you. No, it's not current prices because most people buy their tickets weeks, months in advance. It's prices down the road that we're going to see skyrocket. Well, I'll tell you this, we're planning a vacation in Cancun in the next few weeks. And thankfully, we bought our tickets well over two months ago. And it was amazingly affordable, like amazingly affordable. You got in when the kitten was good. I did. And we were thinking about going again later this year, you know, but that would be during hurricane season. Right. Right. Right. But I think that's probably off the table. Do you suffer from allergies, like pollen or anything like that? One of my kiddos suffers terribly. I have, I believe received adult onset allergies. And they are horrible. And I was in for my annual physical three weeks ago. And I go in puffy eye and my nose is running.

27:59And my doctor says, is everything all right? And I said, I stepped outside and just poof, poof. And she says, she's sending me to an allergist. Oh, have you not ever done that thing where they put all the things on your back? No, I've never, I've never done it. She's like, she goes, you have horrible allergies. They're out with the list of the worst, 20 worst places to live. If you have allergies in the United States, I won't bore you with 11 through 20. No where anywhere near is, is on that list. Number 10. Greenville, South Carolina. Hmm. Spokane, Washington. Number eight, Ogden, Utah. Number seven, Raleigh, North Carolina. Number six, Wichita, Kansas. Wichita. Mm hmm. Number five, Rochester, New York. Number four, provo, Utah. Tulsa, number three, San Diego, two, Boise, number one. I'm going to Wichita.

28:59I'm going to Wichita. Whoo. It's terrible. I mean. Stay late on set. Do you mean just this year you woke up and had this or last couple of years? No, it's been building, it's been building for the last couple of years. I think it started probably five years ago and I remember there was somebody that was in my life at the time who was in the medical field and she said to me, I think you have adult onset allergies. I'd never heard of such a thing. She goes, oh no, it's real. It's real. And I just, you know, would take some, was it, Zartek, Zartek, thank you. And I would be fine. And they just got progressively worse to the point now where between, like, I'll step outside with a dog at like seven, 38 o'clock in the morning and the second I do, it's over. And it's, it, oh yeah.

30:00And it's that way until about noon. And then for whatever reason after about noon, they go, they go away. Now I do take a spray, that's what you do. It's prescription. Can I get a dick to that nasal? I know. You can. And Sam, I'll be honest with you. I think I, I think I already am. Does it make you breathe better almost instantly? Yes. You're already addicted to it. God. I, I, I honest to God, I was wondering that the other day, 17 years later, like am I addicted to this spray? Yep. Because as soon as I see it, I want it. I just suffer through it now. I, it was so bad when I was growing up that I would be basically bedridden in the spring and fall. I could not go to school. I couldn't see, and I took so much clariton throughout those years that it just flat-out stopped working. That's how my daughter is. And now if I take Zartek, I don't even notice it, like it doesn't do anything for me. So I just don't take it. Her eyes will swell up like hard-boiled eggs. It is so sad. That's what I look like in the morning. Which one is it?

31:01It's be. It's terrible ours. It's good day to be. Yeah. That's what I'm like in the morning. And it's common. The buds are on the trees. Oh. It's awful. 913-586-779-8586-779-8 here on David and Parks. This podcast is brought to you by Wise, the app for international people using money around the globe. With the Wise account, you can send, spend, and receive in over 40 currencies, with no markups and no hidden fees. Whether you're sending pesos across the pond, spending royals in Rio, or getting paid in dollars for your side gig, you'll get the mid-market exchange rate on every transaction. Plus, most transfers arrive in less than 20 seconds. Join 15 million customers internationally. Be smart. Get wise. Download the Wise app today. Teas and sees apply. I'm Sally Home with the podcast History This Week. In each episode, we serve as your eyes and ears into history's biggest events, major elections, world wars, scientific breakthroughs.

32:04But we also bring you into the smaller behind-the-scenes stories, the unsung heroes, secret meetings, even personal grudges that changed the course of history. Listen to and follow History This Week and Odyssey Podcast in partnership with the History Channel. Available now for free on the Odyssey app and wherever you get your podcasts. Then slowly turn away. I won't beg you to stay. The actor, known for his role, has chestered the bartender in back to the future three. Okay. This passed away due to complications from back surgery. Oh, wow. In Austin, Texas. I saw that he back to the future actor had died. And so, of course, I'm like, oh my gosh, you passed. I was not familiar with his name. So back to the future three was the one that took place in the Old West. He was the bartender in the saloon.

33:06His name was Matt Clark and he played Chester the bartender and he has died at the age of 89. Clark's family was sharing that he valued working alongside people who love their families and was not concerned with the fame of the entertainment industry. He was in 120 films and movies over the span of his decade long career. And he was in the 1990 film back to the future three. Okay. Let's do that. For his 34 years in prison, Sean Tanner always maintained that he was not guilty of murder insisting on his innocence right up until his death in 2022. Yes. Now a year's long legal battle will grant his final wish for DNA testing to be conducted on crucial evidence in his case. So listen to this, Scott. He goes to prison dies of cancer a few years ago, but up until his death swore, I did

34:10not kill this woman, like I was with her that night, but when I left her, she was very much alive and I saw another guy and it's probably that guy, right? So fast forward, it turns out there's DNA under this poor woman's fingernails. He and his attorneys have been arguing for years, please, let's test the DNA. Then he gets cancer and dies in prison. This case goes all the way up to that state Supreme Court. Do we expend the resources? Is it in the public's interest to see now that he's dead, whether or not he really killed her and the high court ruled yes, because I think it was actually a serial killer that killed her. Correct. Yes. Huh? And his family is saying we want to know the truth, but in her family is saying we want to know the truth. Yeah. Now he admitted he did pay her for sex. He did, but he said I did not kill her the night that she was killed. And said, um, the only thing they had against him was that he was with her.

35:12Okay. So he was at the scene and there was a jailhouse informant that said it was a friend of his friend that said he told him that he did it. Well, fast forward, the DNA technology starts because this murder was how many years ago Scott was back in the 88 88 now that we have DNA and we know it and they preserved it. Why not test it and several courts along the way said no, that's a waste of time and money. He's dead. Let's move on. The high court said, uh, uh, because the real person who did this, why not test it? Is the suspected serial killer still alive? That I don't know, but I mean, listen to this. Last month, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled in Tanner's favor, saying a valid order to conduct post conviction DNA testing does not automatically expire after a defendant's death. It noted there was a societal interest in what actually happened that night since there

36:16are nine other unsolved murders from the same time period and region. That's the serial killer that I was referencing earlier. And can you imagine he was innocent that whole time, Scott? And we will now know. There are a few things on this planet, only drowning and burning alive, very specifically. That well, you'll see where I'm going in a second that I could think of worse than going to prison for the rest of my life for something I didn't do. Oh, I have, I have nightmares about it where everyone thinks you did something wrong, but you didn't and you know you didn't, but everyone thinks you did. You think about it. If you're Sean Tanner, who's now deceased, you know you had sex with this woman the night, she was found dead. Strike one. Yeah. But if he really, in fact, did not kill her, try to get somebody to believe you. Well, I was with her at the hotel.

37:17She was alive when I left her, right? His family will now know. Well, and you know, God, he passed in 2022. They've been fighting over whether or not to test this DNA for four years. Is it that expensive that people would put up a fight for people trying to protect the result? Doesn't want to admit they got one wrong. I think it's more so about the backlog. Yeah. And with that, I think does this guy's family deserve to know that he was an innocent man absolutely. Yes. And at the expense of a rape kit today, a whole higher priority, uh, absolutely. Yeah. That's fair point. So that's a fair point. Quick break for the news. Dan has that coming your way in two minutes, Dana Wright, Sam Steve of the third. My name is Scott Parks. Here on KMBZ, we will see you on the other side. Thanks for listening to the Dana and Parks podcast. Remember, you can catch us online anytime at KMBZ dot com looking for something smart,

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