Hour 3 - Scarlett or Ruby?

Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show focuses on culture wars, government institutions, election integrity, conservative politics, Democratic Party identity struggles, and historical discussions, while continuing several themes that dominated earlier portions of the program. The hosts examine what they view as the lingering influence of progressive ideology in public institutions, discuss election security legislation, and analyze how race and identity politics continue to shape national political debates.

One of the primary topics in Hour 3 is a discussion of congressional questioning led by Representative Brandon Gill of Texas involving the Smithsonian Institution. Clay and Buck highlight recent hearings in which Gill challenged Smithsonian officials about diversity, equity, and inclusion-related materials. Particular attention is given to materials that allegedly characterized traits such as politeness, self-reliance, individualism, time management, delayed gratification, rational thinking, nuclear family structures, and property ownership as aspects of “white supremacy culture.” The hosts argue that these characteristics are universal qualities associated with success and personal responsibility rather than racial attributes. They contend that such examples demonstrate how progressive ideological frameworks became embedded within major taxpayer-funded cultural institutions and public organizations.

The discussion then expands to controversy surrounding Smithsonian gift shop merchandise, including products promoting “Latina Power.” Clay and Buck debate whether race- or ethnicity-based empowerment messaging would be viewed differently if applied to other groups, using the example to criticize what they describe as inconsistent standards in public institutions. The hosts argue that identity-based branding and activism continue to influence educational, cultural, and governmental organizations, while questioning whether those approaches foster unity or division.

A broader conversation follows about workplace culture, diversity initiatives, and corporate America. Clay and Buck share anecdotes about professional environments during the height of diversity and anti-racism initiatives following the George Floyd protests. They discuss examples of employees allegedly facing professional consequences for questioning diversity programs or raising concerns about differing standards being applied in hiring and evaluation decisions. The hosts argue that many institutions remain ideologically driven, while suggesting that younger professionals may increasingly find success by building independent businesses and organizations rather than navigating bureaucratic corporate structures.

The hour also turns to Democratic Party politics and the 2028 presidential primary landscape. Clay and Buck discuss reports that Democrats are already debating which state should hold the party’s first presidential primary contest. The conversation focuses on tensions between South Carolina and Nevada, with party leaders debating whether Black voters or Hispanic voters should have greater influence in the nomination process. The hosts argue that the debate reflects the Democratic Party’s reliance on identity politics and demographic coalition-building. They also speculate that the choice of an opening primary state could significantly influence potential candidates, particularly former Vice President Kamala Harris and other likely contenders.

A major political interview features Congressman Andy Ogles of Tennessee, who joins the program to discuss election integrity, border security, immigration policy, and congressional priorities. Ogles reacts to reports involving non-citizen voter registrations and votes cast in New Jersey, arguing that stronger election safeguards are necessary. He advocates for passage of the SAVE Act and related election integrity legislation, emphasizing voter roll maintenance, citizenship verification, and measures designed to prevent non-citizen participation in federal elections. Ogles also criticizes Senate leadership for not advancing election security legislation and calls for greater urgency on the issue.

The congressman additionally discusses his proposed “Anchors Away Act,” which targets birth tourism and birthright citizenship issues. The interview broadens into a discussion of immigration enforcement, border security, congressional priorities before the midterm elections, and the role of Senate Republicans in advancing legislative initiatives supported by conservatives and the Trump administration. Election integrity, immigration reform, and voter citizenship verification emerge as key themes throughout the interview.

In the closing portion of Hour 3, the show shifts into a lighter but historically focused conversation prompted by listener feedback. Clay and Buck correct a movie reference involving The Wizard of Oz and Gone With the Wind before moving into an extended discussion about American history, including the Lincoln assassination conspiracy, the pursuit of John Wilkes Booth, and historical examples of women executed under U.S. law. The hosts discuss Mary Surratt’s role in the Lincoln assassination plot, Ethel Rosenberg’s espionage case, and various historical facts supplied by listeners, while recommending books and historical resources on the aftermath of Abraham Lincoln’s assassination.

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