Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show was highlighted by an extensive interview with Attorney General Todd Blanche, who discussed the Trump administration's Department of Justice priorities, including violent crime reduction, border security, fraud prevention, drug trafficking enforcement, and public safety initiatives. The conversation focused heavily on law enforcement efforts in Atlanta, where federal, state, and local agencies are working together through Homeland Security task forces to combat narcotics trafficking, gang activity, human trafficking, and financial crimes. Blanche highlighted recent prosecutions involving repeat drug offenders and criminal networks accused of distributing fentanyl and other narcotics while allegedly trafficking weapons to Mexican cartels, presenting these cases as examples of the administration's broader law-and-order agenda.
A major topic during Hour 3 was the state of crime in America and the Trump administration's claim that the country is experiencing historically low murder rates. Clay and Buck asked Blanche about reports showing homicide rates continuing to decline nationwide. Blanche argued that improvements in public safety are the result of coordination between federal agencies, border enforcement, local police departments, prosecutors, and community-level law enforcement partnerships. The hosts described the decline in violent crime as one of the most underreported stories in the country and discussed how crime reduction has become a central message of the administration heading into the 2026 midterm election season.
The discussion then shifted to government fraud, COVID-era relief programs, welfare fraud, daycare fraud, and misuse of federal funds. Blanche outlined new Department of Justice efforts aimed at identifying schemes that divert taxpayer money into fraudulent businesses and shell organizations. He described fraud investigations involving COVID relief funds, fraudulent benefit programs, fake service providers, and government grant abuse, emphasizing that recovering taxpayer dollars and preventing future abuse has become a top priority. Clay and Buck examined how these investigations connect with Vice President JD Vance's work on anti-fraud initiatives and efforts to reduce wasteful government spending.
Another significant segment focused on a recent Supreme Court decision involving President Donald Trump's plans to build a new White House ballroom. Blanche explained the administration's legal victory, arguing that opponents lacked standing to challenge the project simply because they objected to the appearance of the proposed addition. The conversation explored broader constitutional questions surrounding executive authority, federal property management, judicial standing, and separation of powers. Blanche emphasized that the ballroom project is privately funded rather than taxpayer funded and described it as both a practical and security-related improvement to the White House complex.
Following the interview, Clay and Buck reflected on their longstanding professional relationships with several Trump administration officials, including Sean Parnell and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. Responding to a caller who questioned recent personnel changes inside the Pentagon, the hosts defended their support for Parnell's reported consideration for a senior Defense Department role while acknowledging their personal familiarity with him. They argued that understanding an individual's experience, work ethic, and character provides useful context when evaluating leadership appointments within government agencies. The hosts also discussed media coverage surrounding military leadership transitions and questioned whether public reporting fully reflects internal policy disagreements and organizational priorities inside the Pentagon.
The hour also included analysis of Vice President JD Vance's White House press briefing, which took place during the broadcast. While the hosts noted that no major headline immediately emerged from the briefing, they discussed the significance of Vance stepping into a prominent public communications role following the departure of former White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt. The conversation connected broader administration messaging efforts to the upcoming midterm election cycle and ongoing policy debates surrounding crime, immigration, and economic issues.
In a lighter but highly spirited segment, Clay introduced a developing legal battle involving LSU, the Southeastern Conference, college football eligibility rules, NIL compensation, and the future of college athletics. The hosts examined lawsuits surrounding whether former professional athletes should be allowed to return to college football after participating in NFL camps and professional sports environments. Clay detailed competing lawsuits in Louisiana and Alabama involving LSU and the SEC, framing the dispute as another example of the increasingly chaotic legal landscape surrounding modern college sports. Buck argued that college athletics has evolved into a professionalized system that increasingly resembles a minor-league sports enterprise rather than traditional amateur competition. The discussion touched on NIL payments, athlete compensation, conference politics, and the continuing transformation of college football.
The final portion of Hour 3 returned to the closely watched Lindsay Clancy murder trial, which remained without a verdict as jury deliberations continued. Clay and Buck analyzed new developments after another jury note was delivered to the judge. Both hosts speculated that the jury may have reached an impasse, raising the possibility of a mistrial. They debated whether jurors were divided over criminal responsibility, mental health defenses, or the specific charges under consideration. The conversation focused on the legal and social implications of a hung jury, including the possibility of a retrial and concerns about whether prosecutors could successfully secure a conviction in a future proceeding. The hosts argued that the case reflects broader cultural debates about criminal accountability, mental illness, and public perceptions of justice.
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Kix off right now and we are very thankful to be joined by the attorney general of the United States Todd Blanche.
Mr. Attorney General, thank you for calling in. I believe you're in the Atlanta area.
Appreciate you making the time for us.
No problem. Yes, I am. I'm in Atlanta. It's great to be here. Thanks for letting me join.
And I know that the work being done there by US Attorney Theodore Hertzberg has been phenomenal.
It's been getting press even at the national level because it's going right to some of the priorities, the top priorities of the Department of Justice under this Trump administration.
Can you speak to that some of what has been worked on specifically in the Atlanta area, some of the cases you're highlighting there as examples of the sorts of high profile drug trafficking corruption and other cases that are an absolute focus for your Department of Justice.
Oh, absolutely. So yes, Atlanta is a shining star at the Department of Justice for the great work that they're doing, combating violent crime, combating the narcotics problem in Georgia and Atlanta and everywhere in the country.
It's a big issue in every city, but Atlanta is not excluded from that. And so down here, what they do, like in a lot of our cities, is the Homeland Security Task Force, which is a group of federal, state and local law enforcement kind of get around a big table and they tackle a problem, whether it's a gang, whether it's a fraud problem, whether it's human trafficking.
And that's what they've been doing here. I think there's a great, there's two great cases to talk about that I think your listeners will that will resonate with them. The first is a guy that that they just indicted this week. He's a drug dealer. He was arrested in North Carolina for selling heroin, cocaine and fentanyl in large quantities in the Atlanta and neighboring areas.
Now, you might say no big deal. There's drug dealers that are arrested every day. Well, this guy has the amazing badge of honor of having been convicted of a drug felony for selling cocaine in 1999, went to prison, got convicted again in 2010 for selling marijuana, went to prison, got convicted again in 2020 of selling large quantities of drugs, got sentenced to a federal 10 years in prison.
Okay, so now you have a guy who's been convicted three times of selling drugs all over Georgia and then President Biden in his wisdom, commuted his sentence right at the end of his term. This guy got out and now is allegedly dealing drugs again.
And so you have an individual who's literally dedicated his life to poisoning Georgians and thankfully the US attorney is doing a great job in that case.
The second case, which is just as I think phenomenal from a law enforcement standpoint, is there's a group of individuals who were selling fentanyl and other drugs in the Atlanta area and making a ton of money.
Now, what they were doing with the money is they were going and purchasing weapons, including high caliber magazines and hand-held hand-held hand-fed submachine guns and shipping them to the cartels in Mexico.
And so we've already arrested and convicted 17 guys, but we've just arrested some more participants in this scheme. And if you think about that, what you have is you have drug dealers peddling poison to people in Atlanta, fentanyl, kills dozens of people every single day and then taking the profits, going and buying guns and getting the gun shipped down to Mexico to the cartels.
So the perfect two examples of real crime happening, but that you have a great US attorney, executing on President Trump's agenda, stopping it.
This ties in also with what I think is probably the most under reported story of the Trump second administration so far, which is we're on pace to set an all-time record low for murders in 2026.
Last year, at least going back to 1900, last year was that record. They're down about 20% so far in 2026.
What can you tell us about that data? And do you agree that it should be talked about way more because based on that data, you've never been less likely to be a victim of murder in the country, maybe in the history of the United States?
Oh, man, I totally agree with you. It drives me bananas that I'll stand in front of a bunch of reporters and they'll ask me questions about anything under the sun except for that issue.
Because if you think about that, you're right. Since over 125 years, we've never had the murder rate to slow. So what does that mean?
Does that mean the federal government and federal law enforcement are doing everything absolutely positively not?
Does that mean that it's just the state and locals? Absolutely not. What this shows and the reason why the murder rate is so low is because it's an all-government, everybody approach, it means that our borders are secure.
It means that everybody's working together to arrest bad guys so they can't go out and commit murder.
It means that our local cops are doing what they need to do in the schools, they're doing what they need to do in our communities to keep violence from happening.
And guess what? That is all because of President Trump. It's all because he ran and he said, what we're going to do is we're going to make America safe again in every way that we can.
So not only with the border, not only with the FBI, not only with the DEA, but also with our sheriffs and our police department.
And yet this is something that everybody should be shouting from the rooftops because you're right.
That means if you're in this country, you're a lot less likely to be the victim of a violent crime or murder than at any point in our history for the past 125 years.
Speaking to Attorney General Todd Blanche and Mr. Attorney General also in the Atlanta jurisdiction, there was someone named Atala Williams who was sentenced to six years, six months in prison for taking bribes for millions in fraudulent COVID relief loans.
This is first of all, it's more good work by US attorneys office out of Atlanta, but it's also indicative or your ties into an issue that I know is top of because the vice president is really out of a task force on it.
And that is just all the fraud. All of in this case, talking about bribes, but also more broadly, just the fraud defrauding of the system that's going on.
How is your DOJ tackling those problems and what are the kind of primary areas of fraud that you're going to be looking to bring prosecutions against?
Yes, I mean, that is that is the focus I was talking to our US attorney today and he said, he said to me, wow, President Trump in this administration has a lot of priorities.
And I said, that's absolutely right. We do. And then he very much agreed and is enthusiastic about it and fraud is certainly one as well.
I think the case you just spoke of, you're right. She not only was accepting bribes, but she was also applying for fraudulent loans herself, so not only accepting bribes, but also doing it herself.
So yes, we're working closely with with the vice president with the task force. We just started a fraud division whose primary and sole purpose is to root out fraud everywhere, but then every US attorney's office, including here in Atlanta, has an entire section and group of prosecutors trying to do that. And here's a focus.
There are many, many individuals out there, many of them are here legally, but some are not who are literally just stealing money from the federal government.
Your tax dollars are going right to the federal government and the right and to somebody's pockets so they can buy a Ferrari.
So this isn't about, you know, a single mother trying to feed her kids. This isn't about a doctor who maybe just checks the slightly right form to say that it was a certain type of procedure when it really was a different procedure.
All of which are still potentially crimes. We're talking about pure february. We're talking about individuals who say they're running a homeless shelter, for example, and collecting millions of dollars from the federal government. And there's no shelter. There's nobody homeless are not providing any service.
We're talking about, you know, the daycare center fraud that have been talked about. So we have these programs that gives millions and millions of dollars to states to give to what should be a good program, helping the most, the most needy among us have access to daycare.
And after school care and this money is, there's no daycare center. There's no after school care. There's no kids. It's just going into people's pockets.
We've seen tremendous success already just in the past several months with the vice president and the work that we're all doing.
I expect that if folks pay attention to you and to other media over the next several months, they're going to continue to see great work that we're going all over the country for the next several months with takedowns and with really positive results.
And the space and what everybody should know is every time we arrest somebody, we are saving this country anywhere from however, you know, depending on the fraud, a million to sometimes a hundred million dollars in money that was stolen from the fisc.
I know that you can't comment on cases that are ongoing. So we're getting a lot of people saying ask about Fauci, ask about Komi, ask about a lot of these other different cases. The lawyer, I don't want to get you in trying to comment on those because of your position.
So let me ask you about a case that was recently decided the ballroom that president Trump is building the Supreme Court basically said you guys can do that. I thought it was super interesting. I'm curious. You're take they went and looked at standing, which used to be kind of a significant aspect of any case to prove a concrete injury basically.
And you can't say, Hey, I'm a person who walks by the White House and I felt injured by the way that the White House was being changed. I was at the White House correspondence dinner, the first one when the shooting happened. A lot of people saw that chaos, the need for a ballroom to me is beyond the shadow of a doubt. What did the court say the Supreme Court and why was it significant? I'll let you analyze it.
Yes, so I was at the correspondence dinner too and that's the best example anybody can give on why we need a ballroom, but, but beyond that, it's not just a room for people that for the president and future presidents to host dinners, but it's also incredibly important for the safety of the president and his family and his leadership.
And so this was something that needed to be done for a very long time. And there's so I'll talk about the case in a second, but don't forget that not a dollar of tax dollars, no tax dollars went to this. This is all privately raised funds from companies and places in this great country who wanted to see this ballroom bill.
And further, what you had in the design and the construction of it was a lot of process and thoughts that it looks beautiful. It's right in line with the way the White House looks today.
And presidents for the next 50 hundred years are going to get to enjoy it. Now what the Supreme Court said is you're right, is that just because somebody walks by and observes and says, you know what, I might not like the way it looks, that doesn't give you standing to sue.
And when a non-moyer that's told that, it's almost common sense. And so what we had in DC and at the DC Circuit before we got to the Supreme Court is we had judges that really were not looking at the end. In our view, we're looking at the underlying reason and cost and what we were saying we wanted to do.
They were just more or less saying, I don't like President Trump and you can't build a ballroom. And so we're, look, we were, we were very happy for the Supreme Court to rule the way we did, the way that it did.
We weren't surprised because we knew that we were right on the law. And what we were saying to the court is the same thing that President Trump was saying over and over again, which is that this is a privately funded effort. And that Congress long ago gave the executive, which is President Trump,
permission to make changes to buildings that like the White House, which is exactly what he was doing here. We're excited. You should be excited because hopefully if not next year, then the year after that, the Correspondence Center will be in that great ballroom. It's going to be beautiful. It's going to be a great place to celebrate this country. And, and we're really happy, you know, and just to give a shout out to our lawyers.
The lawyers on this case, the Civil Division and the Slisha General's office, the White House Council's office, they worked for the really the past year in achieving the result we got last week. So it was a good day. It's all good.
Attorney General Todd Blanche, appreciate you making the time for us. Please keep it up. Come back on anytime you want to talk about some of these top initiatives from the Trump White House and also give our regards and tell us attorney Hertzberg is doing a great job. Our Lanna listeners, we want me to pass that along.
Absolutely. I'd love to join you guys again. And, and thank you for having me on. You guys are great and keep up the good work.
We'll do, sir. Thank you.
Look, I want to tell you guys that's the attorney general of the United States Todd Blanche will get to some of your calls. You can react to that.
Does that mean we've had pretty much everybody on buck? I think in the entire administration from a cabinet perspective. I can't think of any that have not been on at some point in time since they become cabinet secretary.
Marco comes on, but he comes on to talk to you about football, even though he's got six jobs in the like six cabinet roles, but it's okay.
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Welcome back in Clay and Buck. We appreciate the attorney general of the United States Todd Blanche coming on the program just a moment ago. We got a couple of callers who went away in. We got a bunch of talk facts and I'm going to blow...
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So it's tough word to get caught on. Blaze and Pennsylvania what you got for us.
Hey guys can you hear me? Yeah we're here. Hey I kind of wanted to call in here about the show in Parnell, the Driscoll.
The issue I have is that we're talking about Sean was an employee of yours and a friend and you got Pete, Secretary of War is a friend and I get all that.
But you guys aren't telling us why Driscoll is resigning or let's just say General Donahue who just was resigned.
You guys got to start telling us the why a little bit. Well I think the why is pretty good. Hold on. I think the why is pretty clear. They have a different vision of where the Secretary of War, the entire defense department should go then Pete Hegset does.
It just seems that these guys have an outrageous an outrageous track record of military service and an understanding of what a strong country is.
So what would your position is that you think Pete Hegset is doing a bad job and we should say that and that you want to accept out.
I guess my question is what is your position then.
I believe there was a purge last year and I think it was I think it was needed I do. But I think now is a reset time.
I think I think we got a reset where we're at with the commanders that are in play that have a good 20 or 30 years of where we've been and the trials and tribulations of where we're at in the world.
I just I just want to know why and well look I can tell you one thing one reason I can speak this a little bit one thing is that this guy who just resigned.
There's a lot of one way fire coming from his camp now about you know what he sees as the problems and everything else you'll notice.
The administration they've been pretty quiet on this that may change if he continues. I think they're trying to be respectful at this point that he has a change he has a different opinion.
But I think there's also been a little bit of a PR off that's been run here by this one individual so we'll talk more about this.
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Clay it looks like we're still not going to have any any verdicts any end state here for the Lindsey Clancy trial another day of deliberations.
I have to think it is extremely tense and frustrating or frustrated in that jury room in the jury deliberation room because the only reason for this is they cannot come to agreement on any of the charges.
So there won't even be a okay will go for the second highest charge which is often the way that juries will solve this issue they'll say well you think it's murder one I think it should be manslaughter let's go down the middle and do murder to if that's an option as.
As strange as this may sound that does happen in jury rooms and in this case I think it's there are there is I would assume there's a handful of women who just refuse to convict her on any charge and wanted to go to a mental hospital and I will assume and I am assuming by the way I am not I have no sources on this or whatever I'm assuming that the three men on the jury are just absolutely not.
Absolutely not that is what I think is happening that is my intuition for whatever it's worth clay what do you think.
That's my take I actually saw Nancy Grace yesterday on Fox news as I was waiting to go on with Jesse waters yesterday I think it was no sorry Sean Hannity I don't know I was on Fox news waiting to go on and Nancy Grace who has a decent amount of experience in this world she's convinced they're just disputing whether what she's guilty of.
In other words she doesn't think this is going to be a mistrial she thinks they can't agree on is this first degree murder is this a derivation lower level murder I just agree I disagree with Nancy just to be I think that's wrong but I may be on wrong I hope she's right by the way last caller ultimately I'm told by producer Greg he was upset because we were advocating too strongly for Sean Parnell to get the job that is open right now.
I mean if your criticism of us is going to be people that we know like and believe have done a good job and that we have personal relationships with that we disclose to you as a basis for why we believe they're entitled to a promotion or should get a promotion if that's the criticism I mean I would rather be criticized for being honest about having personal relationships then doing what a lot of people do in media as you know to be true book which is not talk about personal.
Relationships at all and just give you an aggressive case for why someone should or should not get a job which they claim is based in completely unbiased analysis the reality is we know in like Sean he did a great job with us we think he's done a great job with Pete so far and we think he would do a good job if he got promoted.
People don't choose to promote or not promote anyone based on our decision our arguments necessarily so if you have an issue with that so be it I'd rather be criticized for being too kind to someone that we are friends with then either pretend that we weren't in somebody connected or to like tee off on somebody that your friend in a public fashion that also seems.
Yeah that's a snake it's a snake maneuver I mean I always tell people don't expect me especially over policy disputes or something to hit my friends on on the air and and beyond that we do tell people we have I mean I've known Pete and Sean for almost the entire time I've been doing media I met them when I was at the blaze and sort of working with them both I want to say 2012 2013 in that time frame so I've known these guys a long time spent a lot of time with them.
I can't talk to them I'm going to spend some time working with them both. It's not just the, oh I've interviewed this person and I like them it's I know these individuals and can attest to things like their competency their character their ability to handle stress uh all of these things and so I have a high degree of faith in them not because I have I have a high degree of faith in Sean Pornnell as Pentagon spokesman and under secretary of defense. I have a high degree of faith in Pete Hagzeth as Secretary
Secretary of War, I'm sorry, I should have said under Secretary of War, um, because I know them not because somebody told me that they're good guys.
So that's one part of this and something else, Clay, I'll just say when it comes to personnel disputes inside of agencies, things like this, you're always being fed a line.
You know, you need to understand that right now there's all this. Oh, this is why he left. You know who's saying that's that you'll notice the White House has been very quiet about this. You know who's saying
Why Drisco left people from the Drisco camp?
Obviously, right? You leave. You resign under these circumstances. Uh, you know, you left. Oh, he was allowed to leave really of his own volition.
He wasn't fired, but you resign and you go on and then you're telling people why you left. Is that the whole story?
That is not the whole story. Uh, so I just think that it's worth keeping in mind whenever you have somebody who exits any of these positions, bureaucracies, agencies,
their version of the story is one version of the story and it may be true, but there is another version of why they were no longer there.
And I think the White House out of respect for Drisco service has had has just been quiet and allowed him to go.
But I'm just saying we would be going off of half a story if you're going to go to Politico or something and tell me, well, this is what they're reporting. Yeah, because the guy called a reporter and said, this is why I left.
Is that the story? Let me tell you. I don't think that's the way these things actually go.
J J Vance just finished his White House press briefing. We had our guys running on it. We'll give you any cuts that are particularly newsworthy. I haven't seen anything that has really popped going through social media during the course of which he talked.
It was the first White House press briefing since Caroline Levit left the White House. Okay, Buck. I got a fun story for you.
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Preseason training camp Cleveland Browns, obviously an NFL team.
There is a lawsuit going on right now in Baton Rouge, Louisiana between the southeastern conference and LSU. LSU has also just been sued in the state of Alabama by the southeastern conference, which is based in the state of Alabama.
And the dispute basically is over whether pro athletes are allowed to return to college and play college sports.
The attorney general of Louisiana is involved. We talked to it was earlier this week. I think it was when
Senator Kennedy of Louisiana had a great quote for us about Lane Kiffin. We've had the governor on. We've had everybody on.
This was the attorney general of Louisiana. She showed up for this hearing, Buck, in a purple top, the LSU colors. Of course, our purple.
This is a crazy Southern college football story. This is what she said before she began her press conference on this lawsuit. Listen.
If you couldn't tell, she said, go Tigers, Buck, as a life long New Yorker. What is your take on college lawsuits having to do with who is allowed to play, including guys who went and played NFL football during the summer that now want to come back to college and play college football.
Is this all insane to you? Like what is your take on this?
I love how clay asking the Manhattan kid about college football. It's like he's asking an Eskimo about the best bullfighter in the world. You know, it's like, what?
Who? What's going on here? I would say on this issue, the reality has been for a long time that in these major programs. And this will be an unpopular opinion.
These are essentially, and it's actually with the way that Tom Wolf described them in his book, I am Charlotte Simmons, which I think was based on Duke effectively. That's
doesn't call Duke, but he said that these are athletic mercenaries, meaning that these, these players, you get pulled in these top programs.
They're clearly not there for academics, nor for the academics. And they're minor league sports franchises that are, that are subsidized by the average booing.
They're like, shut up.
Virally sports franchises, really just football basketball, maybe one or two other sports you throw into the mix that are subsidized by the rest of the university.
And now people are going to say it makes university money. Clay, as you know, that is true for some of the big elite programs.
Actually, most sports programs lose schools money. Yeah, that's what ends up.
If you look at the vast majority of athletics programs, they are a net loss for the school. They're not selling enough tickets to pay for all the staff and the stadiums and everything else.
Not the case. I'm sure with like, you know, with Texas and Oklahoma and A&M and Auburn and Alabama and all this stuff, they're making money for their schools. That's different.
But now they've really, they've essentially wiped away the facade by allowing somebody who is effectively a professional athlete to come back and get paid to pretend to be a college athlete.
That's gone full circle now because all along, there was this game of these are student athletes and they shouldn't be paid, but we should make millions of millions of dollars off them. And our coach should make like 10 million bucks, you know.
And have some cool nickname that everybody in the South knows like that that was an unsustainable reality.
And now I think people are seeing that they got to figure out something that makes this legit again. I also tell you, I feel bad because I used to see these stories. These, these, you know, kids, they were kids in some cases, right.
Who were like freshman or sophomores at some program and they accepted a steak dinner or a jacket from a booster and they're banned for four years from the NCAA because the NCAA is some sacrosanx student athlete go walk off a short pier like me a break.
And this to your point all started because the NCAA lost nine to nothing at the Supreme Court, which is almost impossible to do.
You got everybody in the entire NCAA said, hey, we in no way can support your argument that these are amateurs. And I think a lot of people out there are fed up with what's going on. I would say this and we have a big listenership. I know in Louisiana and also in Alabama.
The southeastern conference buck is based in Alabama. They're in Birmingham. They are suing LSU in the state of Alabama.
Forim shopping is a huge part of all the goal proceedings. The SEC suing the one of the most hated schools of both Alabama and Auburn in the state of Alabama, where in theory, they would get judges, but also jurors.
Who are not necessarily in favor of LSU, while LSU is suing the SEC in Louisiana is one of the funniest most ridiculous examples of how judicial favoritism can be implemented in cases that I can think of in recent.
Now that I've given everyone my crusty nerd take so they can all give me a wedgie and slam me into lockers and stuff. Clay, how do we actually how do you fix this problem because you really can't have people saying that this is college athletics and this is somehow fair when you can just go out and pay somebody more money who's a professional athlete to go compete in college in their late 20s. Yeah, you got 30 year olds that are going to be you know, suiting up say, oh, I'm the number two QB for this team, but I could go play at LSU and make
$8 million a year. This is just it's just not sustainable. So how do you fix it? No, yeah, you're right. And I think the answer is that we have to get this bill passed in the Senate and in the house that would end the attacking of all rules, which is why we've had some senators on talking about it. By the way, guys, am I correct because sometimes my quad boxes get a little bit slow.
The judge has gotten another jury note in the Clancy trial. Is that updated? I just want to make sure that that's on the actual something that is right now happening in real time, Buck. So
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Okay, Buck, I think what's likely to happen here again, judge getting a jury note in the Clancy trial. I think the jurors are done. I think they are finished. I think they are letting it be known that they have reached a point where
no one is changing their mind. They are effectively all locked in. And I think there's a decent chance that later this afternoon an official jury verdict is going to come down.
Unfortunately, I think this is going to end in a mistrial. Do you sign off to you co sign and if it does, I would suspect that tomorrow, we will spend a substantial amount of time discussing this case.
Yeah, I think we're heading for a mistrial. And I think the challenge of this particular mistrial is that a second jury pool is very likely to run into the same problem.
But now we're getting to a place where guys, you know, if they if she got a mistrial and they chose not to retry the case, which the state can do, she just walks. Yes, well, she just walks.
And then all these, you know, tiktok moms or at least alleged moms, they claim their moms who are saying, oh, but like a Lindsey Clancy and you don't understand and postpartum and all the stuff.
Is that what you want? She goes to three kids and she walks away like nothing happened. Yeah, really murders or three small children. And she walks.
Scott free. That could happen because there are, I am sorry to say women in this jury pool.
If we're right, if there's a mistrial, maybe they get an agreement on a lesser charge, but claim they were going to get agreement on a lesser charge that would have already done so. I think that's why I don't believe it's a lesser charge argument.
I also, yeah, I think all of your analysis is right. The other part of this, I would say is we don't know if there was an offer to her to plead guilty to a lesser charge. Her defense attorney now is never agreeing to any sort of substantial punishment that she would agree to.
Because he's looking at this and I think he's doing this calculus to and saying there's no way they're going to get her convicted now because how do you even get an unbiased jury?
Certainly not anywhere in Massachusetts, but I'm not sure you could go anywhere in the country at this point given how much attention has been on this case.
We'll see. There is a possibility that we are talking to you about a woman who is effectively free pending retrial after admitting to brutally murdering her three children.
There is an insanity, a dark insanity that has spread around the country on this issue and on other issues too, but this is showing it in a way that I think it is unavoidable for us to have to focus it on this and look at this. So Clay, that's a bleak way to end the show today.
Yeah, but we do know on the rest of the show a lot of fun, a lot of great stuff. Go back and check out play and book podcast guys. It is up all three hours each hour for your viewing enjoyment.
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