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DP and the Danettes talk about some of the most dynamic duos in NFL history as they prepare to watch Myles Garrett and Aaron Donald play together for the Rams. And former NFL QB Ryan Leaf drops by, and they dive deep on Tony Romo and his experience with opioids during and after his own NFL career.
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This is an I Heart Podcast.
Guaranteed Human.
On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman.
I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his
motorcycle.
I choose option B. I'm Julie Pinero and I travel by myself because it's a rare space
where I can say yes without asking anyone else first.
I'm on a mission to reclaim the word Solita, trading the pity for possibility.
Listen to Solita on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
I survived nine months in captivity and I've spent my life exploring how other people
survive what should have destroyed them.
I'm Elizabeth Smart and these are the survivor files.
Every week I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable.
Abducted, stalked, controlled and nearly silenced.
These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive.
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Hey, this is Dave and Port and Sean Clements.
We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook.
Last week we talked to someone in show business and tried to help them with their careers and
see what they have to offer us.
Everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicists for letting them do
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We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, Adam Scott, Danny McBride, Ben Stillert
and a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us.
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Our hometown is not a test tube.
90 miles northeast of Nashville, a battle for the future of America plays out in one small
town.
Developers with right wing ties have purchased hundreds of acres of land.
We need cities on a shining hill.
This is our town, a podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the site of a social
experiment and fights back.
I guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you?
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Our two on this Wednesday.
It's a pizza Wednesday.
So morale is high.
Dylan, who's responsible for the menu, what are the pies today on the rec tech grills?
We have a hot Italian sausage pizza, New Haven style tomato pie and of course Todd's
world famous classic cheese pizza.
Who is it better than we do?
Nobody.
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peacock, which is where you can see this program Monday through Friday, Ryan Leif, former NFL
quarterback.
Now the lead analyst for the pack 12.
Evil join us coming up a little bit.
The Heisman trophy winner Robert Griffin, Jr. the third will stop by as well phone calls
877 3DP show Tyler sitting by.
He'll take your calls.
I've been in on Kyler Murray with the Vikings.
I have for some reason.
I think Kevin O'Connor will get him going.
He's got some good wide receivers.
He might have the best receiver in football.
Maybe you could get him out in spaces, they like to say.
But hot take draft.
Now here's the problem.
I just saw the over under for passing touchdowns for Kyler Murray.
Now I'm a little concerned about the Vikings.
Over under is 18 and a half touchdown passes.
That's lower than Bryce Young and Cam Ward who are both at 20 and a half.
Here's my problem with the Vikings.
The Vikings since 2022 were averaging just under 23 points per game.
So they're 14th in the NFL over that period.
Well, you got a great defense.
Since 2023, the Vikings are allowing around 20 points per game.
That ranks third in the NFL over that time span.
That's amazing as they won nine games last year.
And they had an offense that was at the bottom of the NFL and a defense that was top 10.
Brian Flores, he can dial something up.
Okay.
If I said to Kirk Herb Street, you're not allowed to use the expression dial up because Brent
Venables, man, could he dial some stuff up at Clemson?
Todd Munkin.
Could he dial something up for the Ravens?
Brian Flores, you know, he can dial some, oh, spags.
Steve Spagnola, he's going to dial something up.
Yes, more.
He's a big fan of Mike Stoops, the Oklahoma.
Oh, Mike Stoops could dial something up.
Yeah, Paul, a couple years ago in the NFL, it was the Bengals, Lou Anorumo, the defensive
query.
It was dialing up stuff.
Big pop.
Yeah, God, I have somebody who can dial some stuff up there.
Yes, Dylan.
Can you only dial stuff up on defense?
You can't dial anything up on offense.
It feels like it is defense heavy with dialing things up.
It does.
Yeah, because you're going to be like, what spags going to dial up here?
Yes, Marvin.
Marvin Lewis, when you put the Ravens, did he have to dial anything up?
But he definitely got a lot of play.
Speaking of great defense, defensive duos, Aaron Donald, when he makes his debut, certainly
with Miles Garrett.
And I started to wonder, and you guys, the audience, you can fill in the blanks here
as well with your favorite duos.
Like LT and Harry Carson, both Hall of Famers, Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Hall of Famers,
Vaughn Miller, DeMarcus Ware, Hall of Famers, Mike Haynes, Lester Hayes, Haynes Hall of
Famer, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis.
I might go right there and say that is the greatest duo, defensive duo.
And they were there together, long time.
Naderrick Brooks, Warren Sapp, Alan Page, Carl Ellor, Mel Blunt, Mean Joe Green would be
up there as well.
Bobby Bell, Willie Linnear, back with the Kansas City Chiefs, Merlin Olson, Deacon Jones,
Ronnie Lot, Charles Haley.
Those are just some names that we wrote down earlier this morning.
Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, might be the best duo.
If you think about, I mean, all pros, and I do think Ed Reed's underrated.
Because that defense was so good, but when Ed got an interception, Ed was going to make
you pay.
He wanted to score.
He was like, Deon, he wanted to, he wanted to score on you.
Bell Blunt and Mean Joe Green and Steel Curtain.
You could throw Jack Lambert in there if you wanted.
Jack Ham in there if you wanted.
Elsie Greenwood in there if you wanted to.
That's a G code right there.
How about Jerome Brown and Reggie White?
But Jerome Brown passed away, you know, too soon in his career, obviously.
But that was a duo up front.
This is, you know, the Rams have a duo.
That's up front here.
I just thought taking two defensive players from the same team at the same time.
Harry Carson got into the Hall of Fame, had LT there.
Derek Brooks warned Sap.
John Lynch throw in there as well.
Yeah, Paulie.
You mentioned Jerome Brown and Reggie White.
In 90 and 91, they were both first team all pros lining up next week.
Yeah.
That's as rare as it gets.
And I don't know other ones.
There's other ones I have forgotten.
But these ones are just off the top of my brain.
Yes, Marvin.
What about James Harrison, Detroit, Palomalu?
Yes.
Absolutely.
Yes.
Yes, Dylan.
Did you say Patrick Willis in Navarro Bowman?
I did not.
It's a good one.
You know, it's in the, I mean, Patrick Willis was, he obviously didn't have the longest
career, but he was, remind reminiscent of Ray Lewis, to be honest.
Yes, Paul.
I got a deeper cut.
I just got emailed in.
Neil Smith and Derek Thomas together with the Kansas City Chiefs.
They went the five straight pro-boles together and a couple first team all pros.
Yeah.
No, I'm fine with that.
Yeah.
There's no wrong answer here.
I'm just saying in my opinion, if it's not Ed Reed and Ray Lewis, it might be Mel Blunt
and me and Joe Green.
Yes, Marvin.
Ronnie Lot and Charles Haley.
I like that one too.
I mentioned that one.
Yeah, Dylan.
We'll give the defending champs some well-vote about Earl Thomas and Bobby Wagner.
Yeah.
All the famous.
Yeah.
Throw in Richard Sherman in there.
Yeah, and Richard Sherman.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cam Chancellor's one of my favorites.
I can still hear Cam Chancellor hit Julian Edelman.
Oh, man.
It sounded like a ball coming off the bat of O'Connie and Edelman still held onto the
ball and stumbled and got a first hand.
Edelman's had two of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history.
Oh, new topic.
Two of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history that catch against Atlanta, defied all probability.
And then that hit against Cam Chancellor.
And then he's still I still whenever I see Edelman, I've said, dude, you had to be knocked
out on your feet.
And I've been around Cam Chancellor.
He's a man.
He's big.
And you're around Edelman and you go, how did you survive that?
Like I'm thinking death.
He got hit so hard.
I'm thinking, he's not getting up.
He's going to be time soon.
Yeah, pulling.
I'm watching the replay of the Edelman hit by Cam Chancellor.
Now, when does it get up?
His teammates are like tending to him.
He doesn't go to the sidelines.
There's someone waving him over.
He's shaking them off.
He goes right back to the huddle.
I'm double checking.
I think he caught the next play.
Oh, my goodness.
They're just guys who are built different and taking that punishment.
But you know, these defensive players like Ronnie lot with just on.
Now it was different when Ronnie was playing in Mel Blount and some of these other guys.
But boy, if they got a free run at you, they were taking it out.
It wasn't one of those.
How many ease up on you?
This is going to hurt.
And the fact the NFL used to celebrate these hits.
You know, you'd get those greatest hits of the NFL.
Yes, Dylan.
I thought about this one too.
I know this is one of your favorites, but the New York Sack exchange for defensive tandem.
Yeah, short like, I mean, a great couple of seasons.
Well, Gastonot and Cleco.
Yeah.
We're great.
Cleco was the great player.
You know, Gastonot got credit and a sack dance and you know, dating Brigitte Nielsen and
drove a Rolls Royce.
I remember when I would go out to Hofstra where the Jets practice and you'd go into the
park and want to see Gastonot's Rolls Royce there.
He was always friendly to me and I was working at CNN.
So not exactly, you know, we were in a sports network, but I think he'd like the fact that
CNN went worldwide and when you interviewed him, you know, the other guys didn't like
him because he was getting all the attention.
He was flashy, sack dance.
Cleco to me was workman like that dude was strongest guy on the team and he, he was
the one who did the dirty work.
He was sort of the Aaron Donald of the New York sack exchange.
Yeah, I'm pulling.
I felt that way a little bit as a kid watching the Steelers.
Jack Lambert was a star.
Joe Green got commercials.
Nell blunt to me was scary when I was a kid.
I was like, that guy's too big to play cornerback.
Well, and I think the Steelers defense, it felt like everything that was funneled to Lambert
there.
You know, you see this with a lot of linebackers is, you know, Mike Singletary, it's
funneled to you.
Golly, when you think about, I didn't even put the bears in their polys.
You got single, single Terry and Richard Dent.
Right.
Yeah, they're on Hampton.
Morbid ensemble, but yeah, I mean, Richard Dent probably a little underrated historically.
Yeah.
Hall of Famer.
Yes, Marvin.
Kind of in that same vein.
I know they were on ensemble, but tie law Rodney Harrison.
Yeah.
Ties in the Hall of Fame.
Rodney should be in the Hall of Fame.
Yeah, I think Rodney will eventually get into the Hall of Fame.
Yeah, Paul.
JJ Watten, anyone.
Oh.
Forgot JJ.
Sorry.
Justin.
JJ Watten.
Paul, he went through a bad stretch where he couldn't help himself mentioning JJ Watte.
It's not over.
Even when the season was over, he'd be like, I got a text from JJ.
Yeah.
I reached out and he had his wife and a baby boy.
I'm being like, all right.
Not by just the wedding.
So Paulie went from JJ Wat to Sam Darnold.
Oh.
Yeah.
And Paulie just can't help himself.
Whenever you talk about the sea hooks, yes, Sam Darnold.
Yeah.
We are aware of that.
Sam and I did it.
We did it.
Yes, Sam.
Yes, Todd.
Is Carl Mecklenburg and Steve Atwater a stretch?
Oh.
I know it's a block with him.
They played five years ago.
Those are two pretty big guys.
We were talking about Paul.
I'm just adding them to the list of the duos.
Yeah.
You know.
Well, Paul, you got your own show with Pearl.
Maybe you can mention that.
I think I probably got it.
Not so fast.
Not so fast.
Let's see.
What do we have here?
Jared and Tampa.
Hi, Jared.
What do you have for me today?
Hey, Dan, a six foot 170.
Hey, I just, I wanted to call.
I was listening to the podcast late in the last evening.
My kids in the car, right?
And you were going through those NFL surveys of fan bases, right?
And I've got a bunch of young buck and ears fans in the car.
You gave us a really good moment yesterday.
When you started counting down, what was it?
The most positive teams.
Fan bases.
You got to the, yeah.
And you got to the bucks.
And my, my kids like let loose in the back.
They're personal.
See, it was cool.
Just one, one to call and say thank you.
I got a good dad moment.
Yeah, welcome, Jared.
You're welcome.
And to your kids, good luck with the buck and ears.
But yes, they ranked number one and positivity for their fan base.
Jacob in Tennessee.
Hi, Jake.
What do you have for me today?
Hey, Dan.
Second time, long time.
Five, eight, hefty, one, ninety five.
Thank you.
Hey, man, I just wanted to say thank you.
You always, you know, shine line on addiction and bring it, you know, a lot of mental health
issues and bring it to the surface.
I think that's really important.
And it's something that really helped me in my life.
The Ryan Leif interview in 2016 was actually right around a big turning point for me.
I struggled a lot with opiate addiction back then and had been for years and trying to
figure it out.
And then that interview came on.
And for some reason, it really affected me.
You know, I listened to you every day and have for a very long time.
And over that year, I listened to it probably five times or more.
And, you know, really just, it really just helped get the ball rolling for me a lot.
And I really appreciated it.
And I actually got to meet Ryan at the Regents Pro Day.
And I just really wanted to call him to say thank you to you and to him because I wasn't
able to tell him what that interview meant to me at the time because I was standing in front
of my ball as well as working.
So I said, hey, thanks, man.
You know, but just wanted to say thank you to both of you guys.
Sorry, I ran on for a minute.
It's okay.
Ryan Leif will join us coming up in about ten minutes.
But thank you for the phone call there.
Bill in Chicago, and we'll take a break.
Hi, Bill.
Hey, Morning Dan, 6'2 and a gildjust 190.
I constantly am thinking about your death trip bike ride you took with your wife from Atlanta
to New Orleans.
And having done those kinds of trips, I know how hard that is.
And I wondered how your wife's trial hike on the Appalachian Trail went.
And I was hoping you could, you know, cash in your credits from that bike ride and maybe
do a supported hike.
No, no, no, no.
There's no supportive hike there.
My wife went and picked up the trail in New Hampshire.
And she loved it.
She wants to do the Appalachian Trail.
And I have retired from hiking.
Wow.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
That was my first retirement.
You're hanging up your boots from hiking and biking.
But, and by the way, we did open up the envelope last night for the cost of the wedding.
We had sealed it.
My wife said she told the hotel clerk, just seal it up and then she put it in her bag when
we traveled home from California.
And I said, you know, we don't have to open it up.
May we put it in a time capsule and send it to Mars if you want?
Like, I don't care.
I mean, I still have to pay it.
So let's pay it.
And you don't have to tell me what it called.
I don't care.
You know, it was a great moment, you know.
And so it was, you know, when you open it up and it's real slow.
And then, and then I was curious how many pages were going to be.
And then I'm like, damn, that's a lot.
And I mean, I've gotten Sandler's scripts that weren't as long as this and all of a sudden.
And I always started the bottom.
You know, when I get fan mail, I always start at the bottom because if they say, like
I hate your guts, then there's no need to read the other stuff.
But if it says, have it blessed day or sincerely, then I go, okay.
So I went down to the bottom and I said to my wife, how many numbers?
And she goes, I said more than five.
Is someone, what's the first number?
And then, so she told me and then she showed me, you know, the price of it.
And I go, great.
And she goes, great.
I said, yeah, I'm good.
You know, it wasn't, I probably wouldn't have been ready as we're checking out after
the wedding to look at that number.
But you know, we're removed a couple of weeks.
I'm like, you know, it's okay.
All right, we did it.
She had a great time.
We got to have family and friends.
That's what it's about.
So I was fine with that.
I did tell my other two daughters, don't be afraid to do something a little more frugal.
Does anybody want to get married at the house?
You know, my wife keeps saying, it'd be nice if somebody wanted to get married.
Get married at the house.
Get married at Paul's house.
Yeah.
Like, you know, we're a side yard.
Save me a little bit of money.
Yeah, true green.
It came in and made your lawn look great.
Yeah, come on over.
Okay.
More phone calls coming up.
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On the new podcast, Solita, we share the most important news.
The messy reality of traveling alone as a woman.
I can wait 4 hours for the next bus, or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle.
I choose option B. I'm Julie Bignero, and I travel by myself because it's a rare space
where I can say yes without asking anyone else first.
I'm on a mission to reclaim the word Solita, trading the pity for possibility.
Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people, and they were like, you smiled at
us, not a lot of people smile around here.
It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is, and not the lies
you're sold about it.
It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version
of yourself.
So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip,
I hope you listen to Solita, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get
your podcasts.
If you're bookshelf and you're for you page are equally important to your personality,
welcome home.
This is Pro's Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought
daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love
island deserve the same level of discourse.
I'm Eli Rallo, and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and
the conversations everyone can't stop having.
I'm going to have to look up this story.
I'm obsessed.
I'm obsessed.
From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture
moments, nothing is off the table.
So like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, and that is
a Trojan horse, whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations,
or a community of readers who love to think a little too much you're in the right place.
Listen to Pro's Society, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your
podcasts.
you between the pages.
When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and health captive for nine months.
I survived and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have
destroyed them.
I'm Elizabeth Smart and these are the survivor files.
You just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say
anything.
Every week I'm with survivors who lived through the unthinkable.
I knew if he woke up.
Without a doubt he was going to hurt me.
I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed and I just started screaming.
They are abducted, stalked, controlled and nearly silenced.
But these aren't stories about what's taken from them.
Their stories about what it takes to make it out alive.
Listen to the survivor files with Elizabeth Smart on the I Heart Radio app Apple podcasts
or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hey, this is A's Davenport and Sean Clements.
We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the big money players network.
Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners.
Each week we talk to someone in show business, aka The Biz and try to help them with their
careers and see what they have to offer us.
Everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicists for letting them do
our show.
You want to greet guests like Sarah Sherman?
Not that great.
I actually, can you help me shape this?
How about we flip it on his head?
How about we flip this around?
Okay.
What is the surprise one, man?
Actually, you think that the straight man is actually the one who is acting weird.
Adam Scott.
This entire time you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show.
I would never let go of that.
I have.
I would never set expectations for something like that.
It seems like if the universe allows for something like that to happen, I am open to it.
I'm always going to accept.
Okay.
You know, Danny McBride, fine.
Yeah.
It's all this fragile masculinity exuding.
I could smell it walking on the hallway to be honest with you.
I was like, smell that.
I was like, is that weird?
Nope.
It's fragile masculinity.
Ben stiller, no.
I think there's a lot of times out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle
is.
You know what I mean?
Like, you're like, oh, I've got my life.
I don't care about your life.
And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us.
Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be
a guest on every episode.
But he's just so busy.
Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the I Heart Radio app Apple Podcast or wherever you get
your podcasts.
Our town is small taters by most standards, right?
But to the people who grew up here, it's everything.
What happens when a quiet Tennessee town becomes the front line in a battle over the future
of America?
Developers with right wing ties have purchased hundreds of acres of land in the area.
The first thing you see when it pops up is high nears and apple etch.
But they weren't just planning houses.
We need cities on a shining hill that exemplify and embody the Christian way of life.
Stop right there.
Is that normal?
A podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the site of a social experiment.
God need men to rule.
And decides to fight back.
Do not use my hard work to sell your bull.
They're not just opposing what's being planned for here.
Our hometown is not a test tube.
They feel like they're standing in opposition to an entire administration.
Guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you?
Listen to our town on the I Heart Radio app Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.
Robert Griffin, Jr. The Third is Mcloven would say.
He'll join us coming up next hour.
The Heisman winner, the fact that Mcloven called him Robert Griffith, Jr. The Third.
We screwed up the Griffith and the Jr.
But he said it in a convincing manner.
Yes, Paul.
Do you remember we played it so many times in the weeks after that that Sal Pal Antonio accidentally
said it on countdown?
Yes.
And it's got to Sal Pal Antonio.
Robert Griffith, Jr. The Third will be available for him in like, oh my gosh.
I apologize to Sal Pal for that.
Ryan Leif, USA lead, Pac-12 analyst, former NFL quarterback and the number two overall pick
by the chargers back in 1998.
How many teams are in the Pac-12?
Eight football, nine basketball.
The opportunity to expand.
Where are you getting the everybody wants expansion?
So where are we getting other teams, other schools?
I think what Teresa Gould, who is the Pac-12 commissioner, I think her vision has really
kind of become a reality.
There was a time where there were the two teams where everybody else vacated.
And I don't think there was a moment after she went and spoke to the president of the
university where she had a plan in place.
Did either one of those teams waver?
If an ACC team had come in or an ACC conference would have come in or a big 12 conference would
have came, I don't think Washington State or Oregon State would have left.
They were going to build this new Pac-12, rebrand it and release it to the public here in
July.
I think it's going to be highly competitive, a lot of fun.
But I do think they want to keep looking outside to build the brand and build something
bigger down the stretch.
But right now they're really happy with the eight participants.
So now we only have power four, you know, they're four power, four conferences, right?
Which was make sense if it's a power for them.
And it's a, I don't really buy into it outside the college football playoff saying this
year that the four power four conference champions are going to get an automatic bid into
the college football playoff.
That allows for, let's say, the Pac-12, if they're the fifth best ranked conference, which
I think it is going into this season.
This gives my alma mater and a lot of these teams in this conference.
Maybe their best chance to go to the college football playoff ever.
Washington State hasn't won a championships in 2003.
So this is going to give them a much better chance to get to the playoff and be a part of
the conversation than they ever would have had in the old Pac-12.
How did we get to the point where you can go to the NFL and put on an NFL uniform and
go through training camp, get cut, and then be allowed to go back and play college football.
Okay.
So this is something I've been a little bit annoyed with the way the, the talking heads
have been.
You know, you heard Dan Oloski go on, get up and say, this is going to open up the floodgates.
It's not going to open up the floodgates.
He said, they're going to play three years in college and get drafted in the second round
and play two years and want to come back.
No, that can't happen.
It's now ruled.
It's five for five.
You get five years to play five.
This rule, which was injuncted in the courts, is being applied retroactively.
So this only affects the class of 2022 of these players.
None of them were drafted.
They did not make a roster.
They have a chance to come back and do everything else that everybody is through this five for five
things.
So it's not something that's going to be ongoing.
I don't know where the story got so out of hand this week.
It just became this, well, lame, well, because he's using it to his advantage and all these
other teams should, too.
These are players that are due their final year of eligibility.
It's not something that's going to affect it next year or the year after that.
But then you even have head coaches like Steve Sykesians go on there and start talking
about morality and things like that.
And I'm like, are you kidding me?
I mean, I don't know if they're informed at the actual court.
It's the concept of it, Ryan, that we think, oh my God, this is going to be an avalanche.
The floodgates are open and now we're going to have 50 guys go to the NFL, get cut and
then come back and play wherever they want to.
Nope, never happened.
Won't happen.
This is an injunction in the courts that is being retroactively instituted for these players
that are due their final year of eligibility.
That's it.
And if they fall between these parameters and we're talking about maybe what, six, seven,
eight players, that's it.
It's like the bigger conversation around all the things that make it so subjective and
it's not.
It's going to piss off some other coaches because guess what?
It seemingly feels like a lot of these players want to come back and play for Lane Kiffin.
I don't have any problem if Lane Kiffin wants to take advantage of this.
Like I don't have the morality, please.
You know, go on the last shoe.
He didn't invent this.
If he takes advantage of this, then fine.
I'm okay with it.
I think if it was with another program and another coach that I don't think we would have
this, it was like, oh, here's Lane.
He'll do anything to win.
If I'm in his position, it as long as my AD is fine with this and I know these kids,
I would open the door if they're allowed to do this legally.
Then I get it.
I don't like it, but I get it.
Yeah, I'm not even against liking it.
These guys did not make an NFL roster.
This is an opportunity for them to maybe play football for the last time and make name
image and likeness money to help them.
Maybe they're best opportunity to do so.
I think a lot of these coaches are talking about, I'm not going to give a kid who's busted
his butt for seven months, give away his spot.
Well, they're not giving away a spot.
There's 105 roster spots.
None of those have been completely met.
They're going to play within this roster and I know Lane really well.
Lane's had me come speak to three of his programs since he was at Florida Atlantic and Ole
Miss and I suspect I'll be down to Baton Rouge pretty soon.
I simply love the guy.
I think that he has really reinvented himself.
I thought we saw the best possible version of him at Ole Miss.
I even told him that.
I said, this is the best possible version of you.
You have that at Ole Miss, but he felt like this was something he needed to do.
I supported him on it.
I didn't necessarily think it was the right move, but we'll see how it plays out.
What does he have you tell his team?
Well I go and speak to consequences, a big part of it.
Also a huge part of it is I'm exactly where they were 25 years ago.
I'm sitting in the exact same chair and I was in a much better position than all of those
people in that room.
I was about to be the second or first pick in the NFL draft.
I give him that image.
I go, how many of you would give right now, five year career in the NFL, the second pick
in the NFL draft, $31 million, a high-smintro fee finalist?
How many of you would give for that right now?
Every single one of them raises their hand.
You forget because if I'll pour my professional career was how much sacrifice and how much
greatness went into the first 22 years of my life, it's always thrown to the side because
of what the professional thing happened.
People always ask me a question to, do you wish you would have never played professional
football because then you would have this great legacy and I'm like, why would I wanted
that?
I wanted to be the best.
I wanted to get to the NFL.
It's just how it happens.
It's life.
But when you tell them what happened to you after football and I don't know if they look
at you like, well that's not going to impact me.
You know how kids are.
You know, you're a look at you like that.
They look alike.
That's not going to happen to me.
Yes.
You know, which part I say?
The part where you're going to be the second pick in the NFL draft or the part where
you're going to be the prison cell.
It can happen to anybody at any point.
You know, we just had the young man who called into you.
I mean, I'm sitting in your green room.
That was 10 years ago that I came on this show and that guy heard that that day.
You talked about it just a little bit ago in your confessional about that platform and
maybe you weren't ready to talk about it, but you had me on your show.
Yes.
And I was talking about it and that allowed it to grow and become something.
And you then took hold of that and now you can speak to that.
So I think the impact that I am having would have never been the case if I had been a
super bull winning quarterback that didn't get that education.
But would winning have kept you away from prescription drugs?
I don't know.
I mean, I, the failure and the judgment led to that.
I didn't use it while I was playing.
It was a coping mechanism like you talked about with the Tony Rome-owned Tiger Woods conversation.
You're trying to hide something.
And so I never had that problem while I was playing in college.
You were never interested in I never took a drug.
The only drug I've ever taken in my life is Vicodin.
I didn't have my first drink until my 18th birthday.
I probably can count on him two hands how many times I've been drunk in my life.
It's not, you know, competition was my drug choice.
I competed at everything.
And now I've found that later in life.
And, you know, I was talking to Andrew Perlough back there and I've been sober longer now
than I ever was using, which is that kind of snuck up on me.
How many years?
14 years.
And previous, in my using years, it was, I think, I don't know, 12, 8 to 12, I think it
was.
So, you know, we're even past that point.
It's not something I think about on a daily basis.
It's a...
It's a reminder or something that you know that feeling, you know, or that you get that
feeling and then you have to, like coping mechanism.
Yeah, behavior.
I think behavior is a real talent sign of that.
You see old Ryan behavior, you know, entitlement, you know, you know, you know, a smell or a situation
or anything.
Movies was a thing for me.
I would always go to movies and I would take them.
You take vikin' it and go, and I would disappear, you know, I would just numb myself out and just,
you know, and so I always thought it was going to be hard to go see movies again and I love
to go see movies.
And so when I got into treatment, one of the things that the therapist had me do was we
went to a movie as a group and I got to see it in the sober environment and it was still
the greatest, right?
And I remembered that.
And so, you know, I take my kid to the movies, my wife and I go all the time.
That was the one thing I thought was going to trigger and you find a way to get past all
that stuff.
And then you use the tools that you learn through the process to not be influenced by those
things.
And, you know, I've had a couple surgeries since I got sober and there's been a plan
in place.
It's always about transparency, telling your doctors, talking to people.
My wife says I've built my house out of glass over the last 12 years and she's got a point.
Nobody knows my stuff.
I'm not afraid or worried that somebody may know it and this has zero to do with any sort
of redemption for me.
Like there are so many people who have been infected by the justice system, mental health,
or substance use that have gone through this, conquered it and are thriving.
But no one has them on the damn Patrick show.
No one has them on a podcast and certainly not in the platforms.
It's life.
And it just was public for me and that's it.
What was that feeling like when you took a pain med for your surgery?
It was great.
Right?
I mean, they're dangerously great.
Dangerously great.
Yeah.
I remember how this feels.
I love this.
I love not feeling, you know, negative feelings, painful feelings, the things that you're
supposed to feel as a human being.
But you know, we just had a plan in place, you know, my wife handled them.
We took them for a couple days and then we didn't think about it again.
I had knee replacement surgery and I said to my wife, you know, they gave me a boatload
of percussive and I said, I don't want to take it.
You know, I have an addictive person.
I just said, no, I don't want to.
She said, you haven't had problems with this before.
She said, I know that, but this is knee replacement and I was in terrible pain.
That's smart.
And I caved him.
I said, huh, don't let me have half.
Listen, they're invented for a reason, right?
Yes.
They're for acute physical pain.
There's a reason why there's that's a me problem.
That's not a pill problem.
Like I used to think football was the problem.
No, it's a me problem.
Football was never the problem.
Football gave me everything.
I had to figure it out.
That's why with the Tony Romo statement that we just saw, I thought it was a very good
statement.
Didn't need the part about having to be able to be back pain.
And so like, take that whole paragraph out.
You don't need any of that.
You chose to do this, you know, and it's cost you this and you're going to admit to it
and you're going to find a way to get better.
That's, it's almost like the saying when you say something but everything after the
but is meaningless to me.
And I was reading it with my wife yesterday and I was just like, oh, no.
You don't have to say that part.
Everybody's had surgeries.
Everybody who's going through the bill if they didn't pay.
You know, don't, you know, I play on a golf tour with him.
He was always out there wanting a golf tour playing.
So I'm like, if you're a such pain, why the hell are you out there playing golf all
the time then?
That's not helping things.
You know, and to your point, you know, you could see, you could see the thing starting
to unravel, you know, being around people outside the celebrity in the game of football.
But don't mask what the problem is by telling me that you've gone through surgery.
Yeah.
Like the same thing with Tiger Woods.
Yes, you're masking these things.
Yeah.
You know, let me bring you back.
I'm going to talk some actual football here.
Let's do that.
We'll continue with Ryan Leve right after this.
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Each week we talk to someone in show business, aka The Biz, and try to help them with their
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We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, not that great.
Can you help me shape this?
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What is the surprise one, man?
Actually, you think as the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird.
Adam Scott.
This entire time you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show.
I would never let go of that.
I have.
I would never set expectations for something like that.
It sounds like if the universe allows for something like that to happen.
I am open to it.
I'm always going to accept.
Okay.
You know, Danny McBride, fine.
Yeah.
It's all this fragile masculinity exuding.
I could smell it walking on the hallway to be honest with you.
I was like, I was like, I was like, I need no, it's fragile masculinity.
Yeah.
Ben stiller.
No.
I think there's a lot of times out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle
is.
You know what I mean?
Like you're like, oh, it's so stupid.
Uh, everyone's so dumb.
I'm excited for you.
And fake.
Right.
Fake and also not interested or just like, oh, I've got my life.
I don't care about your life.
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Continuing our conversation with Ryan Leef, he's the lead pack 12 analyst for USA Sports.
He'll be in the booth on Saturday, Colorado State hosting Wyoming, the border war rivalry,
630 Eastern on USA Network.
And then you got Memphis at Boise State the following week.
You look at the number of teams that can win the national title.
How many would you say, let's say get to a national title again.
As of right now, I would argue there's many more than what we think.
I don't think anybody has any idea what's about to trot onto the field this Saturday.
With the way that rosters change so much in the off season,
the preseason rankings are absolutely bunk in my mind.
Should be ripped up completely after week one.
You know, when my coogers go beat Washington and week one and Washington is a 15,
you know, whatever they have 15 ranked.
It get ripped up in Washington State probably should be in the top 25 then if you look at it that way.
Yeah, but this is for TV.
I understand why we do it.
I get it, but the point about this is is that I don't think you could have any rational conclusion
on how many teams are viable options for a national championship right now.
Look, but give me a ballpark.
Uh, 30.
30 have a chance to go to the national title.
Yes, I believe so.
30 for the playoffs, not national title game.
I would say you probably have, I think when you get into that, that, that playoff,
you have a chance.
Wait, well, are you suggesting that we could have another Indiana this year?
Um, definitely.
But who would be Indiana this year besides Indiana?
Ole Miss.
Okay.
Ole Miss, I think Trinidad Chandler is maybe arguably the best in the business.
Um, my Heisman front runner is is John Matier at Oklahoma.
Maybe Oklahoma could be that team that comes out of nowhere.
Um, because I think they have the best quarterback and, you know, realistically,
if you have the best quarterback at any level, you have a really good shot of making that.
So I think there is definitely a team out there that could win the national championship
that you are not talking about right now.
I think Miami has a really good chance of going back to the national title.
Mario Cristobal, I've known him for a long time.
Uh, he's been an incredible coach, a recruiter, he's back home.
He got to taste a little bit of it last year.
Uh, you know, he continues to build a program that that is rooted in winning.
So I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're back in that realm once again.
The ACC is such a, uh, you know, foreign conference than what the other three are when you're
talking about the power for.
So, um, yeah, I suspect that they could be right in the mix again.
And Mensa, they get a really good quarterback who be a Heisman trophy candidate.
The number of, uh, analysts who think CJ Carr is the best quarterback in college football.
Yeah, water's wet, you know, uh, they're not going out on a, a very far limb there, uh, to make that.
Well, but Archmaning was the anointed and even Dante Moore.
But I think that you say Notre Dame, CJ Carr, I think Archmaning Dante Moore.
Um, I think all those guys can, could be in that, that, that realm.
I, like I said, I think John Mater is the, you think he's the best quarterback in, yeah.
Yeah, I think if he doesn't get hurt a year ago, okay.
There's a much different conversation being had.
He was the best quarterback in all college football is finally at Washington state.
You know, he just was stuck in Pullman and not playing against the right kind of opponents.
You know, and so yeah, I think he's the best, um, player.
I think he's got one of the best play callers in all football and Ben Arbuckle calling a place that he's very familiar with.
So, you know, they got to be good on defense and that's rent ventables area.
So hopefully that, that makes Oklahoma, they got a difficult schedule.
But yeah, that's my, that's my guy.
I like the prep work, uh, leading up to being drafted now, because these kids are programmed when they're in grade school, high school, seven on seven, all of these things.
But we're getting back to quarterbacks being under center, oh, thank you.
In the NFL, which I kept thinking, why would you take that away?
That the defense doesn't know what I'm doing in those seven steps.
If they just see me in the shotgun, I've taken away, I think a weapon of deception here.
And so why are we getting back to these quarterback like Mendosa's never taken a snap under center.
I've taken more snaps under center than those.
Yes.
So why are we getting back to quarterbacks under center?
Well, I think college coaches didn't care that they weren't preparing them for the NFL.
They were trying to win a national championship and get themselves paid in the process.
Now these players are being paid a lot of money.
So what the coaches have had to shift and pivot to is that you come play for us.
Not only will you get paid this, that or the other will make you and get you ready to be an NFL quarterback.
And to be a great NFL quarterback, you better be knowledgeable and have the ability to be under center to read a defense while you drop back and make things difficult when you run play action.
That's, that's what a pro style quarterback who has success in the NFL is able to do.
But why wouldn't that help you in college if you're a coach?
Because I think a lot of college coaches and I think this was stem stem by Chip Kelly.
It was speed and it was basketball on turf.
It was not necessarily, um, sort of like the old and Marymount basketball back into chip.
Believe that if we could outrun you to the perimeter, if we could outlever you with numbers, that was the difference.
And it still is that way.
I mean, when you scheme up an offense, that's what you're up against.
You're running into the A gap or the B gap on the defense.
And if you can get a double team and get to the linebacker and the safety all in one, you're going to have leverage.
You're going to have the victory there.
But when you put a quarterback under center, you and remove him from that and put him in the shotgun,
especially if you put him back to the right of him or the left of him, you pretty much for a defensive coordinator.
You're giving him so much leeway.
Now, that's why when the pistol came in, I really liked that because at least you put the back behind you in that.
And you made it difficult for the defensive coordinator to scheme that up.
You in the shotgun and put a run it back to one side like you are cutting the field in half in terms of what a defensive coordinator can do.
And he's going to thank you in his post game speech.
How did JJ McCarthy fall?
Well, I think he got injured.
You know, I think that I don't think he played all that bad last year to be honest with you.
I don't think that they were very good offensively.
Unfortunately, we're having one of the best wide receivers out there and not getting in the football.
That's something else.
But, you know, I think a lot of it goes into what Sam Darnel was able to do a year ago.
What Daniel Jones has been able to do to guys that were on that roster and a decision by the,
you know, by the Vikings organization to go with JJ McCarthy.
And in the stay-in-age, like if you don't go out and have an immediate success,
people are ready to throw you out with the bathwater.
And that's just something that I don't really appreciate.
I wanted a competition.
Kyler clearly walked in there and wanted.
I will say this.
I love Kennavon El Connell.
But I'm telling you right now, if this team doesn't win this year with Brian Flores as the defensive
coordinator, there's got to be a real conversation that maybe he's better as an offensive coordinator
as a quarterback whisperer than he is as a guy overseen an entire organization when this is all
said and done. They have to win this year.
Playing it simple.
Ryan Lee, FUSA Sports Lead, Pac-12 Analyst.
And he'll be in the booth on Saturday, Colorado State, and Wyoming.
That'll be 630 Eastern on USA Network.
And then the following week Memphis at Boise State.
Great to see you.
Thank you for sharing as always.
Robert Griffin, Jr. The Third.
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Marvin will be in the confessional today.
So two hours in the books on this Wednesday, one more to go.
Todd is here, bandage and all, incredible.
Dylan, Marv, Paula Ears, truly in the backroom, guys.
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I'm on a mission to reclaim the word Solita,
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I survived nine months in captivity and I've spent my life exploring how other people
survive what should have destroyed them.
I'm Elizabeth Smart and these are the survivor files.
Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable,
abducted, stalked, controlled and nearly silenced.
These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive.
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