Hour 2: Brewers lose, Chuck Freimund

0:00Welcome in, it is Tuesday, the Michael show for all of you now joining us on that work of the show. Welcome to the program. Did Matt LaFlore open the window and give us a glimpse yesterday. Talking about that, Brewers lose, first loss of the season, regrouping again tonight. Back at it, you've got the Bucks Merciful season coming to an end. We'll talk with Jim Ozarski a little bit later on today. We got our buddy Chuck Freeman, who is also going to be here today. Chuck Freeman coming up here at the bottom of the hour. So we'll talk some Brewers baseball then. But we're talking a lot of packers right now only for the fact that you've got Brian Goodakent speaking. The policy is now spoken.

1:00Matt LaFlore gave a lengthy interview in which like almost every topic of conversation raised eyebrows. And maybe even a little concern, I guess, for lack of a better term. You want to chime in? 867, 867, 877, 877, 867, 1670. You can text us. 608, 321, 1670. Find us there. We're on YouTube. Go to youtube.com slash Bill Michael show. It is absolutely free. You can subscribe there. Absolutely free. Appreciate that. You can find us on Twitter on X at Bill underscore Michaels at Bill underscore Michaels. Find Grant at Wisco Grant at Wisco Grant. Our app is Wisco sport zone. WISCO Wisco sports zone. Email the program. If you want to chime in, you can't text us. So you can't call us. V-T-H-E. The Bill Michaels at gmail.com. The Bill Michaels at gmail.com. The website simply The Bill Michaels dot com. And if you want to make us move on Instagram as the counter behind me continues to spin.

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3:07I want to go back to. I want to go back to some of the comments of of Matt the floor. And I think. Again, I don't want to sit here and say that I'm overly nitpicky. So to speak. But is it just me? I mean, maybe it's just me. If you're out there and you've got a comment on it, please bring it. Because I would love to hear from you. Because are we nitpicking this too much? Or is this like something where you go? Okay. I mean, it's enough of a glimpse behind the curtain to say, players weren't happy with their roles. Didn't talk to the assistant head coach when he came back. When they thought he was coming back and he said, no, peace out. I'm out. And he went, okay. And never discussed as to why. You know, he just said, I don't want to speak for him. But he's a family man. He probably wanted to be close to Florida. But you don't know why. Which is a little odd to me. Just me. But if I had my right hand, like if Grant called me up one day. And said, Bill, yeah, I'm leaving.

4:08And my reaction was, all right. I got to go to the bathroom. I'll talk to you later. Wouldn't. Wouldn't that be bothersome? You know, I mean, I would want to know why. Like, is it something I did? Did you get a better job? Are you getting more money? Are you moving away? Did you find a girl that has taken you to Florida? I mean, what? What's going on? About your daughter medical school. I just all likely scenarios. Exactly. You know, are you on the next space ex? Are you heading to the moon? You know, maybe you're to open up a radio stations are buck G. Manly. Thank you for following us over on Instagram. But I want to know. Wouldn't you want to know? Yes. You know. really weird. So I don't know. I just something about that whole story in the way it was. Now,

5:09again, maybe I'm putting too much emphasis on this, but I just think that's a little strange. That's the guy that everybody loved. He was the guy that was crying out in front of the literal tears as Mike Clements described out in front of the bus as players were leaving out of a soldier feed of a soldier field. I'm sorry, you know, feeling like he let him down in some way, shape or form. And, you know, I just, I don't know. I don't know, but something about that just didn't sit well with me. And then you've got guys that give him a lower grade and players say they don't feel like he respects them. And, wow, those players, you know, not everybody bought in. We got to do a better job of communicating. You know, you got to you got to finish every drill. Oh, I'm like finish every drill. That's practice, man. If your philosophy is the head coach, is you've got to finish every drill and guys aren't doing it, then you got to have those

6:10guys. Somebody's got to be made an example of to say this blank will not fly. So I don't know, I just, it seemed like there was a lot there that I, and again, I appreciate the fact that Matt will open up. But he opened that window and I look through it and I went, what the hell is going on behind the scenes? I don't need Matt Laflour to tell us why Rich Bessacci left. If Matt Laflour had said, yeah, I had a couple really long conversations with Bessacci. It was a difficult decision that he had to make. Yeah, I would have loved to keep them so it was a big bummer, but he has his reasons. I'm going to keep that private between us, but I wish him luck that I'd say, great. You had to handle on it. You guys talked through it, but to say, now I am talking. And that's different. Even though we're not, we're not learning the reason either way, I would expect to cope with that. It's bizarre. It's bizarre. So I just, you know, really, really kind of a weird discussion. By the way, whoever, the seven

7:10people that just followed us, and I mentioned Buck Manley in company, I grub and plumb VZ and everybody over there that just followed us. Thank you so much, man. It's great. Great. Thank you for following us over there on Instagram. Awesome. So that's my take after reading all the different articles about all of that stuff. That's kind of my take through it all. So I want to know what your questions are or what your thoughts are. You know, and I want to get into that a little bit because maybe somebody's got a different take or a different read on all of this. I don't know. I don't know. So what was his thoughts about that or a little bit about getting his contract extension and, you know and I know from being at Super Bowl, I had heard some things that he that really put him on edge last season when there was a

8:12specific. Hey, we're going to wait and see. We're going to wait and see. Tanamar, you that was built in when that policy said, Yeah, I'm not going to leave anybody be a lame duck, but we're going to wait and see. I'm not going to give everybody a contract extension right now. We're going to wait and see. So I'm kind of like, well, did he put undue pressure on his head coach and did the head coach feel it? Well, then I found out it's super well. Yeah, he felt it. The head coach felt like he was under the under the gun. Mike Clemen said that too, because Mike at one point and reading what Ryan Wooden others have shared from head policies available. It didn't sound like a policy was ever really considering that strongly right on from Atlas floor. I don't know what would have had to happen other than losing the last five and blowing a playoff game like that. I don't know how bad he needed it to get. But looking at what we know now, like, why didn't you just extend him before the season? Could have avoided this whole thing. I, I'm still. I'm still a little.

9:14I still a little. I don't want to say stun because I'm not stunned, but I'm a little like, wow, Matt, the floor was very open and honest about that stuff. Maybe that's, you know what? Maybe that's an epiphany for him. I don't know. Maybe that was like, Hey, there were things there were people that didn't buy in. There were people that didn't know their roles. There were people that weren't happy with their roles. There were people that weren't happy with me. There were people unhappy with our clarity with our communication. There were people that weren't finishing drills. It, to me, it sounds like. I mean, doesn't that when you start to stack all those little bullet points up and then you don't hear or know why you haven't talked to your assistant head coach since you walked out the door. It was just peace out. Bitches talk to you later. Okay. See you. I mean, doesn't it give you bullet points of. So what is going on behind behind the scene? Yes. I feel I feel worse about the direction the Packers are headed. Yeah. And you know what? That's a great way to put it. And I'm glad I'm not the only one. Because I feel the same way. And I'm thinking, uh, because you know, people always tell me I'm so hard on them. And I'm like, no, I try to look at things in a reality.

10:23And you know, because there are listeners that call in or text in or email in. They're really hard on the Packers. They're really hard on Matt Laflore. They want people fire. They want them gone. I didn't make that determination until the season came to an end because I said, I'd wait and see how everything played out. And I kept my word. And so now I'm kind of like, well, am I jaded. So am I the guy that's sitting here complaining or nitpicking or whatever. And I don't seem to be. I think I'm trying to give too much benefit of the doubt to Matt Laflore at this point. And other people are like, look, here's all the indicators. This guy just this is from Stan Stan says this guy is unbelievably arrogant sitting on his throne. He tells us that we didn't communicate very well. It's my way of the highway. Players didn't buy in. I haven't talked to Rich Pasachi in nor do I need to. I'm the guy on top of the mountain while everybody else is beneath me. And I'm going to run things the way I want to run them. And I'm not going to take the input from the players. Is this what's going on in Green Bay? And is this for the reason there's a disconnect between the locker room and the head coach.

11:24The head coach doesn't have authority. The head coach doesn't follow through on his commitments. The head coach does not follow through on his discipline. Are these the things that other players look for when they talk about being a tough minded head coach and a tough minded team leader. These are the things that I now call into question in regards to Matt Laflore. That's from Stan Stan listening to us up a newsburg. I can't argue that. Maybe it's a little too much. Maybe it's over the top, but I can't argue that because I've got in my head. I'm kind of going. Maybe you're a little bit right or maybe you're a lot right. 877-867-1670-877-867-1670. You want to find us please do. 877-867-1670. Mickey says, hey Bill, I think Matt Laflore while being honest also gave us a look. A look into his lackluster leadership. The guy is not tough. The guy is not a stand-up man. The guy just kind of goes by his own call and doesn't expect anybody to really follow. And if they don't, they just ship him out rather than address the problems.

12:31Goodie every year has to give him talent. And if the talent doesn't mesh with what Matt Laflore has to say, then goodie has to turn around for the talent that he's chosen and get rid of it. At what point do they just get rid of the head coach instead of getting rid of other talent? Well, let me say this and I want to go back to this for a second. I understand what you're saying, but was there anybody they got rid of that you're saying to yourself. My God, I can't believe they got rid of them. And you can't say Kenny Clark because they traded him for my comparison. So that's off the table. I think Zeyer Franklin is an upgrade from Quay Walker. So Colby Woodens off the table. Okay. So beyond that, was there anybody that goodie got rid of that you thought to yourself, oh my God, I can't believe they got rid of that guy. We know Elton Jenkins wasn't happy. We know Romeo Dobbs at one point got suspended. He wasn't happy.

13:36We know Colby Woodens spoke out once he got to Indianapolis. He wasn't happy with his role. We know behind the scenes, Rashan Gary wasn't happy. We know Quay Walker talked about the collapse of this team over and over again, even when he was back at Georgia watching the Packers collapse. And the mental acuity and or toughness to close out games. Was there anybody. So I get what you're saying. But we're talking about and maybe they ascend somewhere else. We'll have to wait and see. But we're talking about players who weren't major impact players that maybe thought more of their own ability than really what. Or statistics would tell you. And maybe they're just pontificating about themselves more than anything. But again, that's five or six guys. That can be that can begin to affect the locker room. Does that really have strong leadership? Exactly. I bet there's four or five guys in every locker room. I'm better than this guy. The coach doesn't like me. I should be getting the ball more. That's just a route that happens in every workplace in America.

14:42They're human beings. There's 53 of them. All skill levels and payment scales and from different places of the country. So obviously some people aren't thrilled about their role. It's on the coach to manage that. And at the very least to make sure it doesn't impact the team and prevent them from winning, which clearly wasn't able to do. Out of the 608 on the text line, Mark from Madison isn't yesterday's interview with Matt Lothore. Another example is to the uncertainty of this extension. Yes. After hearing this and then Ed policy saying, yeah, I was never, it was never in doubt. He was never coaching for his job at the end of the season. I knew what I was going to bring him back. Yes. Out of the nine to zero, regarding Rich B, Rich Bessace, leaving Green Bay every sports talk show in the state. You included were ripping on the guy for weeks some daily. He had to be aware of this and most likely just got sick of hearing in and left. That's fine. I thought for what he was being paid to do, I thought he should have lost his job. I agree with that. That's not what the argument is.

15:44You're missing a point. The point is, Malaflor didn't talk to him about why he left and they assumed he was coming back. Malaflor said it. Goody said they were surprised, shocked at the combined. Yeah. They were surprised at that. So for him to say, yeah, I can't speak for Rich, but he probably just want to be closer to his family and down on Florida. But you don't know. Again, the only way you get better as a person as a manager of people is to find out what people that you manage and or work with think of you and how you go about your business. If it's legitimate criticism that opens your eyes and makes you aware of a stylistic problem or a philosophical problem, that's the only way you get better. People blowing happy smoke up your ass doesn't make you better and inflate your ego. 877-867-1678-787-867-1670 gives a shout. Man, this is fascinating stuff. Fascinating stuff.

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17:56So, you might bravely ain't going to get pushed around like that. Dan Campbell isn't going to get pushed around like that. I mean, Matt, this is my mouth before, he's an offensive innovation, X is in those, developing Jordan Love. There's so many things to love about this coach. He's done a hell of a job in many regards. They get to January and something's off, right? There's something deep within the fabric of this team, that the psychology of this team that is just off. He's sticking around, he got the extension. I think Brian Guterkin is getting these quote unquote dogs. You know, these edgy players that Ted Thompson didn't take the risk on. Guterkin's is kind of veering toward the chiffon boards of the world, so now they're here. You got to play in it, and we get into like the scene at practice. Like the Packers don't really, from what I've been told, they don't necessarily practice like the Houston Texans. Right? If a guy crosses a line or plays a little too hard, they're getting reamed out in a meeting room. Maybe you don't read that player out like a Sean Ryan or a Javon boy.

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21:02Great, Bill. Thanks for taking my call, Ben. As always, listen to your show. Religiously, you're a grant to a great job. Got a question here, Ben. It doesn't just hold off season, just to see how much for how the Packers are approaching this. No, no, no, no, no, no details on the floor's contract. I mean, is this all like hidden agenda stuff? You know, we all do we got a five-year to five-year? Or a re-up this last time, but it just seems to be that, you know, everything is under the veil of secrecy right now. And then you get to get him talking like he did yesterday. And I got to tell you, he's so honest that I think you open up a hell of a can of words here because I think we all felt what this was going on. And then he confirmed it. You know, a little bit of lack of control, a little guy showing that to play that position or whatever the case might be. So my question to you is this, how long do the Packers roll with this deal? Is this a maker break season for Matt with floor?

22:02I got to believe it is, Bill. You know, how many more years you want to go on this thing? Because I, again, you know, you go back to if you can't get there in the first seven years. What is it? Like, 91% of the coaches, when they get a new team, they get there with it in the first seven years. Matt's going on right, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. So I'd like to get your opinion on how long do we go with this deal? What is the time for a change? Because we've all been kind of called for it last year a little bit. Right. Here we go. I agree with it. I agree with it. More questions than the answers. All right, man. Thank you. Yeah. No, I appreciate it, man. He drops off. You get on board. 877, 867, 16, 17, 877, 867, 867, 16, 17, you can find this. That's a great question. I said before and I'll say it again, that if things go horrifically bad, I don't think there's any contract that was going to happen. There's any contract that would prevent any head coach from being fired if things go bad. Okay. We know with a new contract, nobody wants to pay a head coach to do nothing.

23:02So nobody wants to do that. And nobody's rooting for that. Nor should they. Okay. And I get that. But I'm. I know when you say how long should we go with it? It's like how long do they want to go with it? I've always said it depends on how things go bad. If things go bad because he loses the team much like we're talking about with guys being disgruntled and such. Is it the team itself? Is it a couple of guys? Some people that are problematic? Is it? Is it a discipline issue? Is it a practice issue? You know, do coaches want to get out because they just want to get out now again? People bring it back. I'm going, oh, these coaches left. Look at them leaving. Yeah, but they all took better jobs. The only guy that left inexplicably is Rich Passacea. And I don't think anybody is crying over the fact that Rich Passacea is no longer with the Green Bay Packers. And if you are, please explain why. I mean, I said all along. I mean, there was a reason he was brought here. It's a result oriented business. He didn't get the job done. Special teams weren't that good.

24:02And it wasn't like the team was on the cusp of doing something great via special teams. You know, maybe there's an area in which philosophically he and Matt Laflour clashed when it came to. How to run a team or discussions. Okay, well, that's fair. But nobody's crying over Rich Passacea and all of a sudden people are like, well, I mean, I got my God. I can't believe the rich. No, there's no, there's no, I can't believe anything. There's no, I can't believe Rich left. It's like, come on. You didn't want Rich to begin with. So don't, don't go there with that. So I don't know. I'm just how long do we go with it? We go with it until it looks like it's run its course. We go with it until you can't go with it anymore. I guess for lack of a better term, right? That's just my opinion, but I think you go with it until you think to yourself, okay, Matt Laflour just can't get the job done. There seems to be a cap on how many years you're allowed to be a head coach.

25:02And if you don't win it, you got to go. And I don't necessarily buy into that because sometimes it's, you know, it's your players. Sometimes it's, you know, the Jimmy's in the Joe's and not the X's in the O's, right? Sometimes it's your players. And that they, there's an accountability factor there. Sometimes it can be your general manager as much as it is, as it is your players. But I don't know. I just kind of feel like this whole discussion yesterday left me with more questions and it did answers. And as Grant, you put it earlier, didn't make me feel really good about the Packers behind the scenes. No, it took the concerns you already had and it had been thinking about and added a couple of more. Under the pile instead of why I was concerned about this, but it seems like he's got his arms around the thing. Right. So maybe yesterday, here's the other aspect of this. And this is Rob brings us up. He said, maybe yesterday's discussion with Matt Laflour and all of us dissecting it now

26:04was an epiphany for him to understand that there are other things behind the scenes that need to be taken care of. And he's being open and honest about it for us to then see it. Question more. That's from Rob that for the candidness of which I appreciate. Rob, maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. Stay tuned. We got a whole lot more of the Bill Michael show going to talk a little brewer's baseball coming up next. Brewer's TV is brought to you by our friends of Potawatomi. Potawatomi also brings you the Bill Michael show, which is great. We did some stuff with them again yesterday. Had a great meeting down there. They're going to be a part of our our big sit down the conversations for a cause with Pat Murphy, which is awesome. Potawatomi is a huge portion of this program. I thank them so much for being a part of it. Potawatomi sports book, Potawatomi Hotel, the casino, the gaming, everything that goes along with it. It's all at Potawatomi and for those that live in the Carter area, we're coming to Carter this year too. We're going to do a Packer's Post Game show on an away game from Carter again this year. We're really looking forward to it. So we've kind of solidified.

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29:12Oh, man, you're talking about a trio there of legends, man. And yeah, it was that was that was that was great. I was seeing you two guys. You know, you get to you know, there's a lot of experience in the press box last night with us three. I'll say that. Yeah, if if a bomb would have hit the press box last night, the state of Wisconsin would have went. Oh, well, and they would have woke up today and figured the brewers lost. Brewers take their first loss of the season. Nothing major, obviously. But nevertheless, it's their first loss. But just give me your your reaction to the first, you know, four games of the season since you and I have last talked. Well, I just think it's been a great start. You know, it is. And last year they got off to an own three started Yankee Stadium. Remember how badly those games went. Yeah, throw the season away after the first weekend. Well, on the other end, you know, they start off three, you know, and you can't go well. You're going to go 162 and all. But they're going to lose and last night, even though they gave up the run and then the top half of the ninth inning.

30:14McGill gives up the runner. You're thinking, all right, they got to lead off guy in the bottom of the ninth inning because the brewers. And that piece you just played there, they always seem to find a way to get everything going in the right direction to find a way. So yeah, a little surprise. They didn't pull that out because. You know, they just as you saw in Sunday, they have so much magic going in their direction. I could tease that by a lot of the lockout host. Every time something like that happens in the brewers, they like, up here it is another day in Milwaukee. They all are doing crazy things. Yeah, and they have, you know, I was listening to Pat Murphy and in his pregame yesterday and just kind of the approach. And he was talking about with Sophia Minert that they are averaging 23 pitches and inning when it comes to an offense. And he said, it's not about passivity. It's about just getting your pitch and understanding where your he is really emphatic about get the pitch that you are looking for. You don't swing at the junk they are trying to throw you and work the count.

31:17And you don't have to be a first ball fastball hitter all the time. You know, just get the pitch you want. But he was emphatic about that and the fact that they worked the count so well in the game against the white socks and made them earn it specifically with a shrinking strike zone because of this whole challenge system. It's going to play I think long term in their favor this season. Oh, I think so. And they have the way of just an exhaustive pitcher following off pitches. You know, the Paul Molleter, if I can go old school, he was so good at that work in the count and following off pitches and sometimes falling off the pitches. That was that were already behind him at the plate, right. And not that these guys are doing that, but they're working a plate in the work in the count. And they're following, you know, you'll see some long at baths. That's exhausting to the pitcher out there and to a defense who've got to get down on every on every pitch. So the Brewers are good at that. And they're good at. There's a smart baseball team. And I think that accounts for a lot when you have good team chemistry.

32:19You you know how to win. You play smart baseball. You don't make a lot of mistakes. And I feel like when they played the white sucks this past weekend bill, the Brewers took advantage of the white sucks not hitting the cut off man. Doing some stupid things. I mean, when you do that against the Brewers, they just sink their teeth into you. Yeah. Now, I would completely agree with that that they they make you think that you have to be perfect in order to play defense against a team that will put pressure on you and run. And we saw that on a stolen base and then catchers interference because you're trying to come out of the crowds too quick because you're trying to throw a guy out at second base. And therefore you interfere with the batter itself. And they ended up plating some runs because of it as a matter of fact, which was completely awesome. What do you think of the challenge system so far? Oh, I don't know. The one thing I do like about it, it holds the umpires accountable for their bad mistakes. And I know there, you know, some of those balls of strikes, they're, they're centimeters, right?

33:19I mean, they're half a centimeters away from. So, but it's, it's, it's, I think it's we need to get out of some of these guys who've got a little accident. It's a call behind the plate. And yeah, and we're exposing some of these guys. Now, on the other hand, it's only taken 20 seconds, but. You always have to be. Now the thing, but just like we had to get used to replay when a strike three is called, you always have to pause. Is the hitter going to challenge that or if a walk is, you know, for ball four, all right? Is the catcher going to challenge that? You always get the pause to make sure there's no challenge there. Instead of your reaction as a fan, but it only takes like 15, 20 seconds. It's just. It's like when an ad pops up a 10 second ad, you're like, oh man, this ad is popping up. Why is this ad pop it up? Why is this challenge? But it's all good if it works in your favor, but it's just what happens to the other team. It's like, oh man, you know, right?

34:19No, I agree. It's it's I wonder how much it's added to game time when it comes because they finally got the game time pretty significantly under three hours last year with the pitch clock. And I wonder if this is adding to that game time between that. And now the replay that everybody seems to want to call. Are we creeping back up towards that three hour maximum for game times? Well, I want to say all three of those games against the white sucks with three hours. Now last night, I flew by, I think in 220 or something. I was a little scoring game. We're just breezing through it. But I'm sure it does. I'm sure it adds a couple of minutes. You would think of the game, but Rob Nantford has done a good job taking minutes off. So I think you're going to put a couple of seconds back on when you got all these challenges. And even though it just takes a couple of seconds, eventually it's going to mount up to it. Yeah, just one more thing, right? Yeah, I said yesterday one of the concerns that I have you've got Jackson Cheerio who's nursing the the fracture in the hand that we found out on opening day.

35:21You've got Vaughn who has now got a fractured hand and he is out for the next couple of months. And you wonder how that's going to affect him coming back because it was hoping he was going to be a 30 to 35 home run guy. And that probably will not be achieved unless he goes on some kind of a tear. But they've got some good depth. We all know that, but you know, there are a few injuries away from being a little bit scary when it comes to your your first base position, aren't they? Yeah, you don't like to go into the season missing two important cogs, especially when I said our pieces with which Jackson Cheerio or now your first basement. Right. Here's what happens all the time with the brewers. Somebody goes down we're like, oh my gosh. Oh, no, but they always find a way to figure it out, right? Right. They move this piece over here. This piece here next man up. Nobody does next man up quite like the Milwaukee brewers. They do it. They figure it out. They might some cobs some guy who's got very little mage of the experience and no come in and play center field and do just great.

36:23It's amazing how the brewers are able to do this. Yeah, they're starting the season without Cheerio and without Vaughn basically. And you know, who knows when either one of those guys is going to go on and come back Cheerio. Let's say two to four weeks. Who knows. Same with Vaughn. We don't know. They say four to six there, but the brewers will will find a way bill. You know it. They'll just find a way to put this piece over here and move. Move around the furniture. So it looks just right. Hey, speaking of that, another piece of the depth was added in long term yesterday. Cooper Pratt. Were you surprised by the contract extension at Pratt guy? Oh, yeah, I was. How's it going? I was. Yeah, I was just. I was just getting off. Dennis's spectrum TV round table. I would just get off the set and Lord comes on my phone and I was like, what Cooper Pratt? Now, I don't like the fact that the brewers have to do. I talked about this in my podcast bill.

37:23I don't like the fact that the brewers have to go out there and gamble money away, right? I mean, because they're spending a lot of money. I mean, 50 million doesn't sound like a much, but for the brewers, it is. It's kind of a big deal. So there's only 50 million out of guy who is yet to play a major league game, but some of these small markets have to do this because this is because of the financial world that's going to be a big deal. I mean, it's a small market thing right now that could get expanded, I guess, for larger teams. They want to gamble like that. But the brewers have to do it this so far. It looks good. But sure, you'll. A little skeptical. And then given that kind of contract to a guy who is not one of the top, he's ranked 60 second on the MLB pipeline list, but he's not one of the tippy top of prospects of major league baseball. Right. Yeah. No, I was a little. I was a little surprised. I mean, that's a lot of belief in Cooper Pratt.

38:23And I appreciate it. Now, on one hand, like you said, they take a gamble. If it pays off, they've locked him up until he's going on about 30 and they get the best out of him at that point in time. And then you can make that long term decision. Otherwise, you know, you're, you're talking about, you know, some money that's wrapped up in a young player that hasn't really, hasn't played in the bigs. And you're kind of banking on the fact that he's going to be that good. Like they did with Jackson Cheerio. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're hoping. Yeah. They have some really good men. Now, if they would have done this with Jesus, my day, I would have said, OK, I get it. You know, we're talking about a top five prospect in major league baseball. Right. They would have done something. They would have done something like they would. Cheerio was a highly talented prospect. And Pratt, he's in that next year. Yeah. He's highly thought of, but he has not hit well at the minor league level. He's. Yeah. He's terrific with the club. And he could run the bases. He had 30 stolen bases last year. He only played a handful of games above a double a block. See last year. And you know, Southern league is a is a picture friendly league. But I just, yeah, I would like to see that money.

39:26But I'm mad. And who knows they might have approached my day and some of these other guys and said, do you want this extension? And then Pratt maybe grabbed it. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Right. Maybe they said, you know, we're going to try to not take our years of eligibility for arbitration in such a way. So we'll have to wait and see. Hey, Chuck. Where do they find you? Well, you get it on Google Spotify. Apple worry day. I'll load your podcast. Lockdown Brewers run all the audio platforms. Of course, are growing YouTube page search locked on Brewers on YouTube. Hit the subscribe button. We're always there. All the content is free. And Bill is always my friend. Great to see you in the last night. Chat with you a little bit. And joining you every Tuesday at 1130 right here on yours. Your statewide show. Man, it's it's an honor for me as always. You appreciate it. I appreciate it. We love you like a third cousin Chuck. And we'll see you soon at the ballpark. Okay. You got to deal. All right, buddy. Take you later. There you go. Chuck Freeman joining us for a couple of minutes on the hotline. Little Brewers catch up from last night. Yeah, it was. It was fun. Myself, Chuck.

40:26My clements all kind of hanging out together. You had the trio there and just sharing a lot of. A lot of stories, both baseball and radio and television and all the other stuff that we we have going on. It was good stuff. There's a lot of fun last night. And there's the update on the Milwaukee Brewers. Let's do this. We'll step out. We'll take a break. We'll come back. There's more of the Bill Michael show. This is the Bill Michael show on the Wisconsin Sports Zone radio network. The Bill Michael show. We continue on. Fest season is a comment. Oh, yeah. Can't wait. Can't wait. German fest can be here before you know it. In July, July 25th, 26th, 27th. German fest is coming to the lakefront in Milwaukee tradition.

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42:28And we'll get into some of the emails and text messages and such. Regarding what Matt LaForest conversation was yesterday, which I have found to be. A little eye opening for lack of a better term. A little eye opening. 877-867-1670-877-867-1670. Find us there. Always appreciate you. By the way, MacMarine, thanks for joining us over there on Instagram. And SNC Painter also joined us on Instagram. The counter behind me has been going a little while. People have been following us. We want to follow us over on Instagram. Please do. We love it. We love it when you do. And you can make the make the ticker move. This is Tony Helm. Appreciate you following us over there in Aaron McGruvy. Appreciate you following. Aaron McGruvy plays music down a walk of shows, Matter of fact. So thank you, Aaron, for following us. Aaron McGruvy, that's good stuff too. Love it. Real quick, this one is from Yogi.

43:29Yogi says, hey, Unity, you feel bad about making the bourgeois lose yesterday. You know you have that kind of power, don't you? Yogi, I do not feel like I have that kind of power. However, I am somewhat of a superstitious guy when it comes to stuff like that, which is the reason I left. They tied it up after I left. So I can't take blame for the loss. Right. I can't do that. They tied it up after I left. They were down one to nothing until I left one I left. That's when they that's when they tied it up. So I'm not going to take blame for that. I can blame it on me if you want to, but no, I don't have that kind of power. I feel superstitious about certain things, but I don't have that kind of power. I wish I did because if I did, I would use my power for good and not bad. So you know. Right. So coming up after the top of the hour, we're going to get into some of the comments from brewers inside the clubhouse. There's a lot of things with Pat Murphy from yesterday, which I thought were rather interesting and in a very positive way that I had mentioned at the beginning of the show.

44:32We'll get back into that. So we got a lot more to get to, but we had two hours or without to have waypoint at this point on a, it's not storm in here. Just got really, really dark and cloudy. Like there could be storms, but on somewhat of a day in which we're expecting some weather. So we'll see the possibility of severity. We'll have to wait and see down to the southern and southeastern corner of the state of Wisconsin, which is where I reside. So we'll see if we get a little bit of weather. Who knows? If not, no big deal. If we do so be it you and I, we get through it together. That's what we do each and every day. We're at the halfway point. Two hours down, two hours yet to go. Do not go anywhere. Keep following us over on Instagram as many of you have. We appreciate you being here. Maggie Bringa Maggie Bringa. Thank you for coming by. Appreciate it. Stay tuned. We got a whole lot more to build Michael show. Hold on more. Don't go anywhere. We'll be back right after this.

45:40Thank you.