Hour 1: Fitz & Buck - New Weapons

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3:08Fox Sports Radio dot com or stream us live every day on the I heart radio app by searching F S R. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. There is no offseason in the NFL. And while we sit here, days away from the beginning of free agency and the expectation that in a few days, hundreds of millions of dollars will be spread out across the league in ways that make teams better. They think we didn't even have to wait that long. We got a blockbuster trade from a Super Bowl contender, the Buffalo Bills finally get a wide receiver. He's buck rising. I'm Jason Fitzbuck and Fitz hanging out with you this morning in for two pros and a cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio. We'll be with you all morning. We're usually with you on Saturday night. So we're getting up early instead of staying up late and buck. We start with a big move from the bills. I want to I want to go all the way back to a few years ago.

4:10I was doing some work with former bills player getting ready for the NFL draft and he said, you know what? Organizationally, the Buffalo Bills had just left that team. He said, organizationally behind the scenes, they don't believe that a wide receiver makes a big difference in the way that their roster is built. They believe as an organization that Josh Allen is responsible for around 40 touchdowns a year, whether you put a bunch of wide receivers around him or whether you don't and they have acted like that every single year dot, until now they go get DJ Moore from the Bears in a trade that is curious because DJ Moore has had moments where he looks like a number one big guy and he's also had moments where he's fine and they just when he got into $28.5 million a year wide receiver that's coming off an 850 yard season. It feels aggressive, but I don't know how much it actually addresses everything for the Buffalo Bills. No, we love when teams overcompensate. That's exactly what's happening here. Yes, you have a almost, I mean, I think he is going to be 30 this season.

5:14At some point, he will turn 30 in the season if I'm not mistaken. And yeah, he's expensive, but he immediately becomes the best wide receiver on the roster and they have been able to, I guess, I guess going back to your your years long conversation or your years long understanding of their team building philosophy, do you think that they have been able to get away with it because you could argue they have been successful enough to an extent. Right, they haven't advanced to the Super Bowl the way that they would like and Josh Allen certainly is responsible for, you know, anywhere between 30 to 35 touchdowns a year, whether you consider that rushing and passing at the same at the same time. But they are, you know, they are very much hitting their ceiling as far as their passing game goes without a true number one option. And the key on Coleman thing didn't work out. They did invest in a wide receiver in the draft right turns out as a second round pick. He's a guy that nobody wants to take responsibility for drafting so

6:16much so that ownership is trying to let Brandon be in the general manager. They're off the hook being like, no, the coaching staff wanted that guy. We so we're going to get rid of the coach except they promoted internally with the offensive coordinator who is now the head coach. So, you know, a little bit of mixed messaging there. It's a, it's a good move for Josh Allen. But it can't be the only move that they make because they still have missing pieces and parts here, right? They're, they're offensive line situation. They're going to let Conor McGovern go their center. They're going to find, have to find ways different ways to support Josh Allen. They've got a lot of different questions to answer defensively that it at least takes one thing off of their checklist for this off season. And it also, you know, gives us the domino effect of, okay, they're probably out, almost assuredly out on any kind of a J Brown deal. Maybe no a J Brown deal gets done this off season whatsoever. But we were certainly talking about the bills as a potential landing spot. DJ Moore as a number one wide receiving option.

7:18I mean, he had the clutch touchdown against the packers and over time to help springboard them into the divisional round where ultimately DJ Moore was also involved on the play where Caleb Williams throws the game ceiling interception that lets the Rams advance to the NFC championship game. It feels like Bears fans are okay with it. They're at peace with it because they do have an emerging young wide receiver core at this point in time. And they can afford to let somebody like DJ Moore walk and potentially address additional needs in the draft. That's a pretty big haul for a player with that, that cap number and at that age at a position that usually starts to, I think maybe I'm stealing a reference from you once wide receivers hit 30 the check engine light starts to come on a little more. Well, look, everything you just said is so accurate to why this is weird to me. And in fairness, my, my Twitter timeline has just blown up over the last

8:19week with every single fan base that's giving me some random weird trade for Max Cross because we will get to later in this show. And that included some, some people that I think do good work around the Bears were just tweeting out the typical thing that who says no, I feel like it for me who says no on any tweet for a trade is a trigger like somebody's just getting click engagement because there's always a dumb ass trade, right? So I got one the other day that's like who says no and part of it was like DJ Moore and a first round pick and a third round pick. And so I immediately clap back to that as a Raiders fan looking at and I said, who says no, whoever's acquiring DJ Moore? Because the numbers on DJ Moore don't support the production. And this is not like I understand that this is what people say. Well, it just wasn't a good mesh in Ben Johnson's offense. It wasn't a good mesh with Caleb Williams. Oh, okay. Well, I'm supposed to buy just if we just stack my logic bricks. You know me? I don't like I'm over logical. If I'm supposed to buy the Ben Johnson is one of the great offensive minds that we've seen in the league in the last whatever generation.

9:22And that's why he immediately becomes a head coach that immediately has impact. So now I have to buy that one of the best chefs in the world just doesn't like cooking with this ingredient, but it's not really about the ingredient. It's about the chef. And I'm going to have to buy this at a massive amount of money. It's part of the deal. The bills guarantee $15.5 million of his base salary, which locks them into paying him for the next two years. And it's $28.5 million this year, $28.5 million next year. It's an exorbitant amount of money for a wide receiver. I looked it up. He's 28 now. He'll be 29 in April. And if you look at his stat line over the last couple of years, I mean, he's coming. I know stats and reading stats can be its own slippery slope, but he's coming off a year under Ben Johnson with 50 catches for 682 yards. Like that is not $28.5 million of production at the wide receiver position. So what the bills have done. If we took the bills logo off their helmet and we instead put a cowboys logo on it, we would be saying, oh my God, you overpaid late for something you should have addressed years ago.

10:22I'm with you. I don't think wide receiver is the reason that the bills haven't found the way to break through. I think they've just been unlucky more than anything. I don't think there's any one player need that changes anything. But to me, it's weird. This is a bill. Seem that fires their head coach. They they make it clear that they're going to have to make massive change. And all they really do is promote within. They tell you that the difference between where they finished last year and next year where they intend to win a Super Bowl is DJ more and firing Sean McDermott. That to me in the ingredient pot does not take me from a playoff team to a Super Bowl team. Yeah. No, it's a Buffalo feels like one of these teams that is almost assured to take a significant step back in 2026, right? Like they're not they're not one of these, you know, NFL team teams of the damned right where we're talking about. I mean, the cults are just in a nightmareish type of situation right now. As far as the franchise goes, the future of the franchise, the immediate future

11:22of the franchise, especially with their fan base, probably thinking that they were going to win the Super Bowl for a good half of the season last year until their bad luck started to creep up on them and take Rob them of all of their joy and their first round picks and their quarterbacks health and all these different things. They're not the Browns. They're not the Jets because they still have Josh Allen. But there's just no way that this is a football team that's going to be better next year, right? Like help me help me find help me find the area. And I understand, listen, free agency didn't start for a little less than a week. So there's going to be additional moves that are made here. We still have the NFL draft that's on the horizon. The rosters are are far from complete and finished product. So some of these conversations are flawed. But you can't take, you can't remove one of the winningest coaches in football, add a wide receiver who has, I don't think there's, do you feel like there's

12:25effort questions with him in Chicago? Because a lot of people started to bring that up just because of that final play where he may not have, have run his route, his final route of the, of the NFC division around to, you know, maybe his best abilities. And that's in part what led to the interception for Caleb Williams. Like there's, there's been some stuff there that continues to float around. I don't know what's fair or not. I don't know DJ more personally. But there's nothing so far in the bill's process. One, the process seems flawed, right? However, however, you would deem a successful team off season, putting together the pieces, trying to, you know, trying to, to, to tighten the final screws to put this thing over the top, they don't feel like they're any closer to a Super Bowl. They feel further away. They continue to get further away with some of these decisions that they make. Maybe, well, maybe I'll have to eat crow. Maybe anybody who thinks the way that I do will have to eat crow at the end of the day.

13:27And Terry Pagula can give another weird press conference and say, see, I told you was that damn coaches fault. All the things that went wrong with us, it was that damn coaches fault. The fact that my quarterback couldn't talk to me in the locker room after the fact because he was so upset because he threw what damn near five interceptions in that game against the Broncos. It's that damn coaches fault. Maybe Terry Pagula gets to be right when we're talking about the bills halfway through the season. But as we sit here today, it's really, really difficult to see what their logic is. I'm convinced DJ Moore is like that, that band that everybody tells you is really good. And every time you listen to it, you're like, I just, I don't, I mean, how many times has anybody walked into Monday? Whatever your favorite team is when he was playing for Carolina or not, and then playing for the Bears, how many times did you walk in? If your favorite team was taking on DJ Moore and say, son of a biscuit, man, this week, we got DJ Moore, I don't know how we're going to, I just don't know how we're going to shut down DJ Moore this week.

14:28It feels like I am just clapping all over this part in this man's career. And I am not. I think DJ Moore is a fine, wide receiver. He's good. I just don't remember the last time any of us walked in and said, oh my God, my favorite team is doomed because this week we're taking on DJ Moore or for everybody that sits there and says, oh, I got to get my parlay in this week. DJ Moore is going to go off or anybody that sits there and says, man, I am, I am up a creek this week playing fantasy football because the other guy's got DJ Moore. I'm just all of the metrics that we have, just don't stack up to DJ Moore being anywhere near AJ Brown. And he's paid like AJ Brown. So it's just, it's a very weird situation, 28 and a half million dollars. That buck mentions that the bills are going to take a step back this year. I wonder what this move means for one of the main teams that is right there today, telling the bills that they aren't good enough anymore. What's all this mean for the rest of their own division? We'll break that down next.

15:29He's book rising. I'm Jason Fitz. It's bucket fits in for two pros in a cup of Joe hanging out with you on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live additions of two pros in a cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, Lavar Erington and Jonas Knox weekdays. It's six a.m. Eastern 3 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I hard radio app. Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from the odd couple on Fox Sports Radio. And in addition to hearing us live week nights from 7 to 10 p.m. Eastern on Fox Sports Radio, we are excited to announce brand new YouTube channel for the show. That's right. You can now watch the odd couple live on YouTube every day. All you got to do search odd couple FSR on YouTube again. YouTube just search odd couple FSR. Check us out on YouTube and subscribe. All right, quick break. Brady, be honest. How much time did you spend this week arguing with yourself about MVP rankings? Too much. There were like six tabs open trying to figure out if the stats actually back up the narrative.

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20:41When you like, I don't need you to stand up to know you're not wearing pants. You are in a robe, I mean, it looks like it looks like right before we started the show, you asked someone to leave and then sat down like full big Lebowski style and was like, let's do a show. And now you're saying that I can only speak for myself when I say that we are neither the pros or the Joe, which, which could serve are you the pro in your Terry cloth robe or the Joe in your big Lebowski outfit? The duty by it's I would say that I'm the pro in this particular situation because not only did all of that happen, but I'm here doing my job. And nobody is none the wiser because the best part about this gig is you don't have to be on camera. I mean, we are looking at each other. So you are tasked with looking at me for the next, you know, less, a little less than three hours at this point in time. But I don't have to, you know, I don't have to look camera ready until 10 am my time today. So until then you sweet, sweet angel, you're going to sit there and you're going to stare at me in my bathroom. That's what it is.

21:42Yeah, can I tell you, well, we'll get to the sports in a second. I will tell you this. Sure. You know me, I wear basically the same thing almost every day of my life. I wear the same, I own 10 of the same black t-shirt, like literally the same exact black t-shirt, I own 10 of the same black, like pullover, it's like a thin one. I own the hoodie I'm wearing right now or the little like hoodie type thing. I don't like three or four. My closet is basically four things times 10. That's it. Like I just, it's the same thing every day. I'm getting ready to start doing play by play next week for the indoor football league on Yahoo Sports Network, which I'm very excited about. That's a cool moment for me. And as you know, that's going to be fun. I have lost a lot of weight in my life in the last couple of years. So I went into the closet and I pulled out suits and I'm in that lucky spot where literally nothing fits. I'm going to have to pin a suit, like nothing fits me. So I reached out to this company and I was like, all right, you know, let's let's talk about some clothes. And then came back and he's like, well, I've watched some of your stuff on Yahoo and like,

22:44we've got some ideas on ways we could start like one in thousands of dollars to style me for an internet show where I'm in front of a tiny internet camera where we wear basically like casual clothes. I don't understand this. I don't care enough about these things to understand like just to your point, like even when I'm in front of a camera, I'm still not like in a three-piece suit often in my life. So I do appreciate the fact that you've gone super casual. I just, you know, maybe, maybe, maybe you and I are on two different ends of the spectrum in front of a camera. Even though it's just us. You just maybe, maybe, maybe a shirt. Maybe I just don't need to see your chest here. Like I'm a hoodie guy. If you keep this up, I'll just take the damn bathroom off. All right. Like, just keep pushing your life. Okay, bud? Like this is don't, don't, don't yuck my yum at this point in time. Also, Lorena, I need a woman's expertise here if you would. Is there not some kind of ik to a dude that doesn't know how to dress on a regular basis? Because I, I'm also a dude that does not know how to dress on a regular basis.

23:47But I am smart enough to rely on the resource that I have here in this wonderful city, where two women do exactly for me, what you've described you don't want to do for Yahoo. I have somebody who puts together a PDF for me with little hyperlinked images of the clothes that they think would- So you have like a personal shopper for you? That's correct. Shout out Cat and Emily. We love. But they put- Not for you. These things together based on the events that I have to attend if it's a public speaking engagement. If it's just, you know, the casual for the show, if I'm hosting the steeple chase party. Button down. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We got options and it's so turn key, so idiot proof that all I got to do is just click the little button that they've got hyperlinked and the clothes get delivered to me. And then if I don't like the clothes, they return them. I don't even have to do that. Oh my gosh, you fancy. Did they pick out the robes too? Like, do you have those delivered? No, that's all me. I want to stress here, my friend, because I choose not to make style an important part

24:53of my budget as because I'm cheap does not mean that I, a, don't have a style or b, don't know how to dress. I have, look, I say humbly, I think I've walked more red carpets than you, my friend. All right. I'm just saying it in my life. I have walked more red carpets than you. All right. If I'm my best, you are. I don't know how many times you've had to play an award show. I'm lucky. 15 million people. Fine. You're the last. The number of times I've had to play an award show in front of 15 million people. I just, you know, that's a, I understand fashion. I just don't, it's not like day in and day out. I didn't, I don't want to put the energy into it. Like, so very true, very true story is supposed to all the fake ones. The very true story. One of the first times I played years ago for country artists, Phil Vassar, still one of my best friends, like just an amazing human being. And I wore something outlandish that day, like at the time I was, I was spraying my hair to match my tie, like everything was neon.

25:55I was, I was wore something crazy and outlandish. And Phil wore almost the exact same thing on stage every day when I toured with him. And I, he said something. He was like, that's a wild shirt. And I was like, why do you always wear the same thing? And he said, because eventually fans will come up to you and they'll say, I've seen you wear that before. And by God, like a month later, I wore the same shirt and somebody came up and they're like, oh, you wore that shirt last time we, but I realized then that the more I keep things just in a very, like I never want to have a picture that I have to apologize for anymore with that. Well, that was stylish at the time. I don't want to do that. I don't want to have to like justify any of these things. I want timeless. I don't want like black charcoal's navies like I think there's a whole fashion world there where you don't have to, you know, you don't have to necessarily go all, you just, you find your lane and you do your lane really well. I just am repetitious with it most days in my life. I fight. The number of times people will say you wore that yesterday and I'm like, aha, I just have an own four of the same pair of jeans. Thank you very much. So, you know, I don't, I don't like to think it doesn't mean I don't have an understanding.

26:58And I'm justifying all this to a man that is in a Terry gloss rope. What am I doing? What am I doing at this point? No. Yeah. So, he's buccarizing. I'm Jason Fitz. It's buccan Fitz hanging out with you. So, now I'm away. Now I'm into it. Now I'm ready to go. See, we just had that we, I just had to needle you a little bit for my own purposes. And now I'm ready to do the show, okay? Okay. Okay. Right. Uh, the bills made a big acquisition in DJ more. We already open the show talking about whether or not that actually makes them demonstrably better or not. But it does raise a question to me of there is another team in this division that is coming off of a Super Bowl, not named the Buffalo bills, and that's a New England Patriots. And I, I've seen a couple different conflicting sort of concepts on this because the Patriots coming off of Super Bowl means most of us feel they should be some kind of way. Now they're in their Super Bowl window. They should be super aggressive. They should do all of these things. Uh, I've seen a couple of guys that I think do a good job reporting on the team talk about the fact that New England is still being very calculated. They are treating this offseason like they are a team that is building towards something

27:58long term. I think that makes a lot of sense because now that we're far enough from moving from the season, we don't have to, it doesn't have to be inflammatory to talk about, you know, whether or not the Patriots are great or whether they were just hot. I don't know. But I do think that they have to have a really good sense. They have to be able to look in the mirror and have a really good sense of who they are moving forward to know the right way to build. And sometimes that's tough to do like, I mean, you go back to, to weight loss, like how often does somebody lose a little bit of weight and then those pants fit. So they, they try and put them on and then you realize pants don't really fit, right? Like, the, the Patriots have to be painfully honest with themselves in the mirror, not about the result last year, but about where their team is when they go into this offseason. I'm not sure if they're going to be super aggressive or if they're going to stay the course. Well, and the obvious connection there, and I say this is somebody who covers the Tennessee Titans on a day by day basis, uh, is AJ Brown and Mike Verabel, which a lot of people have, have drawn those connections or tried to make those connections, um, understanding

29:00that the two of them, I know AJ did an appearance. I think it was with, is it Julie and Edelman and Gronk's podcast. I can't remember exactly where he popped up where he's talking about how much he hated Mike Verabel, uh, at the start of his career because he didn't necessarily understand the way that Mike coaches, especially young talented players that he's trying to find ways to bring, bring the best out of him. Finally, you know, that, that style, AJ came around on it and now they have a great relationship, uh, despite not being on the same team anymore. This, this AJ Brown acquisition, potential acquisition, right, there's been nothing reported that seems to have moved the Eagles off of their position and in fact, in fact, Mike Verabel was on television, I want to say last week during the Combine, um, saying, quote, to this point, they have not gotten to the point at which the Eagles would make a move specific to AJ Brown. And the other part of this is, uh, just reading from Verabel's reporting, in their minds,

30:01it's a Quinn and Williams type deal for AJ. We're talking a potential first round pick with a second round sweetener on it. It's kind of where it is for the Eagles to start to consider moving AJ Brown. If they don't get close to that point or to that point, I don't think how he roseman moves him. So the Quinn and Williams deal for AJ Brown, the Cowboys gave up a 2026 second round pick, a 2027 first round pick and a defensive tackle, Mazzie Smith, who I'm not mistaken, was also a former first round pick in his career. That's a pretty significant hole. And I, you know, I don't, I wouldn't pretend to know what the career of Mazzie Smith, respectfully, I'm sure he's a fine player, um, but I don't know what that looks like for New England. They're not in a position to be giving up valuable draft capital. And again, their first round pick, it's 31, right? It might as well be a second. So I don't know that that doesn't drive the deal up further to where they're having

31:04to toss an additional compensation and who a player comp might be for Mazzie Smith on the Patriots roster. I'm, I'm not sure either like a, there's Philadelphia going to want pop Douglas, uh, in exchange for AJ Brown and a couple of draft picks. I don't know. I, I, I don't, I think the easy connection is there to make it, but it's not something that if the Patriots want to continue to build their roster in the best way possible, which is organically through the draft process, as enticing as the idea and as fun as the idea of AJ and Mike reuniting might be in New England, certainly for Patriots fans. You also got to consider what you're trading for. I, I, AJ has been in Philadelphia longer than he was here in Tennessee, um, but I loved my time covering AJ, AJ, the person is and a, is somebody who I've very much enjoyed who I think he's a fundamentally good person, uh, despite some of the eccentricities that

32:06may come with his, uh, with his performance on the field. I don't know how Philly fans feel about him. I'm sure more of them love him than not, but it's, it's completely fair to say that AJ Brown did not did not give his full effort last year in certain situations. And that's not something that's going to fly in a place like New England. But certainly it doesn't fly into place like Philadelphia where they're trying to figure it out and he's kind of got him, he's kind of got them back into a corner a little bit because he, he does have, I think there are legitimate gripes to why AJ, you know, may feel or act out the way that he does in certain situations, but that's, that's not the kind of player that's not the kind of element that I think you want to add to your young burgeoning roster in New England. If you think that there are going to be some moments where he, he stirs it up just for the sake of stirring it up. There's also the component that I don't think a lot of people are talking about is that how healthy is he? I mean, he had stuff here at the end in Tennessee and it wasn't so, you know, obviously he's

33:11gone on to have a, uh, an even statistically better career in Philadelphia than he was with the Titans and he's coming off a career worst year. We understand that there's some mitigating circumstances to that. He didn't look right last year and I, I don't have his medicals. I'm not in Philadelphia every day and I don't want to, I don't want to get into a discussion that that I don't, I'm not fully armed with all of the information to have, but there's just something every time I watched him last year, he just simply didn't look right outside of the, the clear lack of effort that was on the field for them in a couple of different instances. All of those are fair criticisms of AJ, even though I acknowledge he is still an excellent player, um, at a very important position that would benefit the Patriots if they were able to acquire him for a hell of a lot less than we're talking about here. Yeah, the Eagles are trying to get it done for the ones who get it done. Granger offers access to over a million products in the scale to deliver when and where you need them, the right tools and supplies never far away call or click Granger.com or just

34:12stop by it's, it's interesting because the, the Patriots get rid of Stefan Diggs, uh, they cut him. He's not going to be part of the team next year, which I don't think is a shocking moment for, for most people, but it does leave sort of an area of concern. I, I, I have a long sense said the minute you as an organization believe you might have your, your answer at quarterback, especially young guys. The first thing you have an obligation to do is give them as many weapons as possible. I look at quarterbacks that are young as I get teeter taught or a seesaw depending on where you grew up, right? Like, so in the beginning, the, the quarterback needs all the help needs, all the weight that comes from a bunch of weapons and then you hope over time the quarterback becomes the weight and lifts everybody else up, right? So I don't love as much as Drake may, I think, had a very good season. And we all, I'm not sitting here saying Drake may isn't the answer. It's fine. I just, as you know, Buck, I like to take three years to make any decisions. I think year three is a really big one for these young quarterbacks.

35:13What I don't want for the Patriots in this process, like I don't want the Patriots to become the bills. So we talked about earlier, who even if they love their quarterback, they're just rolling them out there, saying, all right, I just make it work with whatever you got. Like it makes sense to me for the Patriots to acquire somebody. I think it would make a lot more sense in my mind for the Patriots to go all in on somebody like Alec Pierce this year, if they're going to go in at the wide receiver position, then it would AJ Brown, simply because Alec is younger. I want, I want somebody that can come in and sort of grow with him. But I'm not saying Alec is nearly the prospect or the player that AJ Brown is. Like, AJ Brown is a better player. I'm not sure to be consistent. I'm not sure I feel that much differently about Alec Pierce than I did about DJ more earlier, who I said, how often do you walk in just scared you're taking on Alec Pierce? I just, I don't know what the Patriots are going to do with that position. But I would love to see them bringing somebody that can be that guy for Drake May because I'm not sure that we can, we can plant the flag on Drake May no longer needs help around

36:15him. I think most young quarterbacks do, especially veteran help. And I mean, Drake needs that in my mind. So it's important that the Patriots address the position somehow to me. No, I think it's glaringly obvious that Drake May needs that kind of help both, you know, in front of him and as far as his skill guys goes, the Alec Pierce thing. And, you know, free agency gets going next week. We have the start of the new league year and all of these things will start to fly around early and often in the process. He's he's thought to be the best available wide receiver in free agency. Now that the cults transition tag Daniel Jones, they weren't able to use the franchise tag on Alec Pierce. Maybe he still ends up going back to Indianapolis. It's just going to cost them a hell of a lot more money than it would if they were able to, you know, utilize their team control on him. Again, the cults decision making is very confusing to me, but that's not the conversation that we're having right now. He Alec Pierce did an interview with K Adams. I think it was this week where, you know, to his credit, he's been the best deep threat

37:16statistically. He's been the best deep threat in the league for the last two years, not just last year, where the cults offense was operating in an extremely high level for a good half of the season. But his his whole point was, well, just, you know, I only got, I think it was 45 or 47 targets last year. Think of what I could do if I was an 80 target guy a year. I'll break, I'll break the, you know, I'll break the receiving records and things like that. And I looked at that quote and I have no problem with a player saying that or truly to his core believing that because that's the kind of confidence that you have to have to be able to be a professional athlete. And I'm not, I'm not down on him projecting that belief, but as far as practicality goes, buddy, that's not your game. Like you're not a volume target guy. You're talking about paying a dude and I know this just because I watched the Titans do this with Calvin Ridley a couple of years ago. You are a high end too, okay? And I know guys don't want to hear that. And I'm not here to put a ceiling on dudes if they think that they can do more in their

38:18career and they think that they may be maybe just having got the opportunity. Maybe they're right in that situation. But to this point, you are one of the best secondary options at wide receiver that anybody's had in the league because you also have Jonathan Taylor and you have Tyler Warren and you have Michael Pittman Jr. Like Indianapolis has champagne problems on offense other than, you know, the whole quarterback situation. Basically for the last, I don't know, feels like a decade. Chris Ballot's been trying to figure that out. But Alec Pierce becomes a much different player if you start to treat him like a number one wide receiver and he has to win in a bunch of different ways other than the way that he's been winning, which has been a hugely successful formula for him. So this is a complicated question that the Patriots have to solve this off season because there, I mean, I don't know if it's if you told me that they didn't make the playoffs next year, I don't think I wouldn't be that surprised. No, I at all. And, you know, to me, it's a lot like the commanders who even people within Washington,

39:20I know it's become a trendy thing. But even people within Washington a year ago told people that Yahoo. Hey, we understand that we played ahead of where we were. We just had a really good year. We've got to get the rest of the roster up to where it needs to be to be consistently good. They weren't able to do that. Now everything's fallen apart for Washington and part because of the health of Jayden Daniels last year. I think the Patriots need to understand that, you know, and I'm sure they do understand. I think they're making it clear they understand that even though last year was ahead of schedule, they're still in a building process. I love the way you broke down Alec Pierce. I would add Rashid Shaheed to that same list, right? Like that's another wide receiver that people believe is going to get massive money. And they probably will because he's on the market. But how much of the success that he had last year when traded to Seattle was about him, particularly and how much of it was about the fact that teams were counting for Jackson, Smith and Jigba and the coordinator knew how to use utilize them the best way.

40:20Now, conversely, how much of JSN success was because Shaheed was taking some of the top end of off of all this. I understand that. I think it's just understanding that there are multiple ingredients that make for a successful wide receiver room and they don't all get compensated the same way. If your real calling card is that, oh my God, you are electrically fast and you can also do some nice things that that becomes much easier wins above replacement. That becomes much easier to figure out in the draft than necessarily some of the other wide receiver position. So it's a little, it's a little touchy speaking of a little touchy. An internet celebrity decided yesterday that he could fight an NFL player and win. What do we make of Logan Paul's thoughts and who he kick is the most? We'll tell you next. This bucket fits hanging out for two pros in the cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions of two pros in a cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, Lavar Erington and Jonas Knox weekdays at 6 a.m. Eastern 3 a.m. Pacific. All right, quick break.

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45:29Eastern time. So be sure to hang out with us this weekend. And we'll be back on Monday morning too. So you've got a little bit of a book end of the two of us hanging out for the guys. Before we get into anything here, let's get to the Tyrax play of the day. What do we got? Going the other way. Javante Green got blocked by myself. Goes back out blocked by women Yama. Blocked by women Yama. We passed Castle. Please have a bright head. Help the mask get in the foul. Oh, what a night for Wemby. Last night I kept hearing from everybody that the the pistons were going to show him physical defense. And he wouldn't be able to handle it update. He did for over 40 years. Tyrax has been helping customers find the right tires for how what and where they drive, shipped fast and free back by free road hazard protection. The convenient installation options like mobile tire installation Tyrax.com, the way Tyrax buying should be. We'll get into Logan Paul getting his ass kicked in a second. But Buck is somebody that, you know, last year watched a difficult for you NBA finals for the Indiana Pacers.

46:31I love just saying anything that makes Buck make a face. Buck is from Indiana. Went to the University of Indiana. And I watched it. University Red. Sure. Indiana University. My bad out there in Bloomington. And, you know, I'm sorry. It didn't mean to offend the sensibilities of your school. He's offended. I mean, it's, I mean, that was, that was full on like people to get mad about Clemson being saying, you know, Clemson or Clemson or whatever. Fine. Uh, as a lover of basketball, though, I mean, you have to appreciate what Wembee does, right? Like, I mean, he's like an 87 foot tall, super freak that nobody can stop that can also shoot from the outside. Like, I think for just for the sake of just the wild chaos of it all, Wembee going out all the way this year, Wembee like the spurs, winning it to me just feels like the sort of cementing moment that we, uh, we would love. I mean, he was awesome. Last night, 38, 16 and three, his plus minus was plus 20 against the pistons.

47:33He's just went when he is, I did this is not groundbreaking analysis or anything like that. But when he's on, there's nobody more fun to watch in the NBA right now. And yes, I have to take joy in my basketball life, wherever I can get it. So if it's watching somebody else have fun, somebody else's team be good with a super freak athlete out there. As we see him, you know, continuing to learn and develop in his, in the early stages of his NBA career, because God knows I can't watch the Pacers. Or frankly, Indiana basketball just makes me, uh, makes me sick when I watch the play. I know they beat Minnesota by 30 the other night, but still it's very, very unpleasant experience to watch them, not be able to buy a bucket around the rim. No matter how hard they try, they try. No, I'm not a player. That's, I truly, it is, it is the only team that I care about, really, really as a sports fan is Indiana basketball. And they continue to make me sad. So I enjoy watching Wombin Yama and, uh, and seeing, you know, I know that we've got a lot of fun college basketball coming up this

48:34weekend that we're going to talk about. But there's nothing, there is nothing in that sport. College or pro like Victor Wombin Yama right now for the spurs, spurs fans, uh, I have to be just over the moon about what it is to have that kind of a young roster that's coalescing together. And as we, I mean, we've still got a few months ahead before team start to really make a playoff push here, but they're in a really good spot at this point. Yeah, well, continually, I say that the, the secrets of building a great NBA team is no longer what superstar can you go acquire. The secret is draft develop and depth, right? Like that's the three D's that, you know, Oklahoma City is a living eating breathing example of that's just you, you, you have to draft really well. You have to develop really well. You have to be patient in that process and you have to have depth. The San Antonio has been a bit of a kryptonite for okay see this year, but San Antonio, very similar. They got a lot of young guys that are contributing on top of Wembee being an absolute freak that nobody can do anything with. So you, you have to have your MVP type candidate, which,

49:35you know, you have to have your SGA or whatever. But that can definitely be Wembee. And the spurs can be, I think the spurs can, uh, can shock the world here. They're one of the few teams that I do think in a seven game schedule or see, a seven game series could actually give okay see a problem. I, okay, C's record is not as intimidating as it once was, but I will just remind anyone that hasn't been paying attention to Oklahoma City that they had been decimated by injuries at one point a couple of weeks ago. They're, they're big three. Their main three players have played a total of 42 minutes together. Like we're talking about just a wild amount of injury issues for okay, if they never get healthy, we'll see how this thing goes. But even shorthanded half the time, they still beat you. So last night was just supposed to be this big moment because Detroit police physical basketball and their old school, uh, pistons and they're going to go out there. They're going to rough up Wembee. And then Wembee just like like a big brother holding the little brother outside of punching range. Wembee was just like, no, you can't stop me. You can't stop it. It's reminiscent of Andre the giant in the 80s, like in a, in a battle royal like nobody's sending Andre over the top rope.

50:37Unless he allows it. That's how I feel about Wembee most nights. Like you ain't getting them out of the ring unless he allows it. Unless Wembee has an off night, you can't stop them. That man you can only try and contain. No, and Detroit is excellent. So if anybody was going to be able to, you know, put together a plan to be able to at least try and curtail him. I don't think you can outright stop him at this point. Uh, you thought that Detroit would give him a better basketball game. A couple, a couple of fun things last night. I had no idea. It's not like I'm watching a tennis first basketball on a regular basis. Just happened to be on last night, uh, stunned to discover that Kelly O'Linnick is still getting minutes in the NBA, uh, at 34 years old on the Spurs roster. I don't know why that was so funny to me, um, but it's, it's, I, I, that's one of my favorite games to play like in the NFL or in the NB, any pro sport where you were a player that you, you feel like has been gone from the league for a long, long time. He's just been in a different spot than you've, uh, associated him with for his entire career. Kelly O'Linnick on the Spurs at 34 years old is not

51:37something that I thought I was going to see last night. I love the concept of two truths and a lie, but it's all, it's two players that are still in the league with the random team and one player that isn't and you have to figure it out. Like that is the, the beast of late career movement, particularly, uh, you know, hey, kudos to guys that can stay in the league as long as they can make your money. Uh, I love every ounce of that. San Antonio is going to be a beast. The West is going to be a beast and the East is really evenly matched. We'll get more into NBA talk as we get later into the season. I just think that all this conversation right now around tanking. That's like the cycle. Early in the season, nobody pays attention. Then everybody talks about load management. Then everybody talks about tanking only to finally then wake up and realize that playoff basketball is here. And that's what everybody focuses on. And about a month, nobody's going to remember what Sacramento or Utah did or didn't do. They're only going to be focused on the fact that the top four in the East and the West are all evenly matched enough that I think we're going to get wildly interesting playoff. So that's just that's my early prediction.

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