Here Comes The Draft!

All right, all right fish tank live Wednesday April of 15th. I am not Seth love it

I am Michael Liva driving the ship tonight because Seth can't be here

And I just want to remind Seth there was once a man named Wally Pip

He took one day off. He never got his job back. We'll see how this goes after tonight

You see how it goes after tonight. You might get Wally Pip, I don't know

But Jed Van Horn is also with Seth as well, so he will be unable to join

But we got a star-studded crew, OJ McDuffee, Chris Perkins, the legendary Savak

Talking to you about all the happenings in the world that often says we inch closer to the NFL draft. OJ

How you doing? I'm good. I'm good. Mike man. Appreciate you you coming in man

You know you hanging the background a lot of times too for the show, man

But it's good to have you in the forefront, bro

And I know Seth and Chad are doing some big things tonight. They're doing it the L tabs out Florida on the on behalf of the Jason Taylor

Foundation's judge and some young poets and and Perk had an opportunity to judge these pose

He talked about them last week and tonight is the singles final

So Perk we had a tough deal when it came to Judson L tab

But Chad's got all the finalists that are going to be there's 11 finalists that are obviously outstanding poets

So man, oh man, he's got a lot tough for job than we did because you know all these kids are great

But some of you know were a little different. No, just like an NFL, you know some guy

A lot of guys can play but some guys are like up here when it comes to their level of of being able to play the game, man

So yeah, so I don't you know

Seth's got the easier job tonight and what Chad has because not only doesn't he have to judge that they're going to introduce him

And you know so his name will be broadcast for all these people. So if he messes it up

They'll know the hell he is too, man. So yeah

And juice, you know, I know there's some transcendent poets there tonight. I'm telling y'all I was like I was moved last week

They're gonna a couple of times some tears came to my eyes my eyes

Well, these kids are thoughtful. They're expressive. They're good. They can rhyme. I mean, it's a great event

So I know Chad and seven living it up tonight. Yeah, Chad was nervous the day by the way, y'all he was he's like

Oh, yeah, give me some advice, you know, what should I do? I said man, just listen to the poem. Just listen to the poem

Listen to the poem and I said, you know

Use the you know the sacrificial poet the one they bring out first use your massive barometer go from there

But all of you so good, man. It's all them so good. So yeah, so that that was our little plug, man

You know behalf of blue apple poetry, you know, Mario Hardwick and Seth Levin and Jason Taylor foundation man doing what they do in the community all the time and big time stuff

Yeah, absolutely great stuff there and that's why he's not with us here tonight

So we will try to hold the fort down all joking aside

Let's start with this Jenna herself and spoke with the media today is pre draft press conference

You know

I'll set it up this white perk and then you were there and I think you might have got in the first question if I remember

Yeah, look we've got the first question

How about that Mike don't walk over that Mike because you know, I mean last week was the last week perk where you know

Have had the you know was out of order and y'all say yo, yo, Mary gets the first how do you get the freaking first question perk

That's the student first and you just jump in baby. You just jump in we look we have a limited time

With with the coach and with the gym. I'm about being polite, but but bump all the

Don't stop I'm good

Stand would be in your ass. Go ahead. That's it. Yeah, yeah, bump all the dumb shit. Let's let's yeah, we ask questions

Yeah

Chef Hathley saw had a mantra Alex pose is like hey, you're an exposed guy

But I was the very first everyone got all those shapes. It was crazy, but

He spoke to the press again today John Eric Sullivan pre draft

I want to save some of my thoughts because I have it and I tried to tell y'all at the end of the show about some of the things

He said and about what he's kind of walking into but

He's sort of standing by as he's not gonna trade a

Chan and sort of his

Philosophy of this draft perk. What did you take away from some of the things he said today?

I

You know the big thing with a chance to me was I thought he hardened his stance before it was you know

I'm not looking to trade a Chan, but I'm always gonna pick up the phone today

It was like a chance not available like he is not available

So don't even call with these deals

You know the the other takeaway from it was you know, he is a he's kind of a uptight draft guy

This is his first draft, but somebody asked him about

Taking phone calls right now about moving up and moving down and he was like look

I don't like playing on the phone the week before the draft

Yeah, you know you want to call me on draft night. That's cool

But we're not gonna have all these conversations about hypotheticals

So I thought that was good about just being being down to business. I like that

That he said that and then him saying the best player available approach

You know the only time I think that that would be a factor would be of Monroe Freelin the big left tackle from Georgia

Was there at 11 and maybe Maui Noah was gone and Rubin bang was gone and more man Sir Delaim was gone

Would you take another left tackle knowing that you have a left tackle or would you go position of need and go

Corner back or something like that

But I like what Sully had to say today. I like being around Sully and half

I think it's it's it's you just feel like the the foundation is being laid in

Concrete and not in sand. This is more firm. It's more believable. It's more tangible and that continued today

I thought yeah, Perk you it feels like it's more business man. Yeah, this is what they strictly about business man

And I like that about them

You know to give you guys as many answers they can give you what I'm beating around the bush

You seem like man, and I think you obviously guys, you know your question you're all your questions day

I listen to the press conference man. We're spot on man and all really really good stuff

But I think that they're really give you

More information and let's be asked and what we've heard from from in the past man

And I like that about them as well, and I also heard I heard a little bit

There's a little bit of tackle talk that I I heard in there Perk that I don't know if it kind of like resonate with you

Like he kind of hinted at something towards like tackle, you know, and I know that you know

We're we're solid with Patrick Paul, and I know that you know

Austin Jackson redo what he did

But I know we had trouble keeping him on the field, but I mean, I think that you know protecting the quarterback

Especially at the tackle position. I think where it's exact words. Yeah, where it's like something

I've got to think about you know consider now with what all right handed quarterbacks how hell we they're blindside guys now

You know compared to last year where you know the right tackle is blindside guy, but he kind of hit it at tackle a little bit

Didn't he to me? Yeah

It's at one point he said it starts with quarterback and protecting the quarterback and so yeah, that's you know

You know and Mike I don't know what you feel about best player available and and you know dolphins needs

I know we're gonna talk about that later, but I

Did like to hear him talk about best player available?

I think that I think that that's one of those overused phrases in the draft because I think you do draft by need a lot

But this is a year where you really could go BTA and not be wrong at an almost any position

Yeah, cuz if you look at the raster Miami right now outside of running back

Yeah, I mean they got needs everywhere. Let's be honest. I mean they have needs on the offensive line

secondary edge russia

tight-end wide receiver. I mean they can't go wrong and I think when he think about offensive tackle

I mean if we're gonna be honest for a second is Austin Jackson. Will he be here past this year?

Probably not so if you can get someone for one year can play

Right guard and then you know next year he's your right tackle kind of what they did with Jeremy Tunsell

The other two can play in one year left guard then they moved on from Brandon Albert. He's your left tackle this year

If you can get a Spencer Fano who I think that might be a guy they fall in love with he's he's a type of guy like a

Packers guy. I think they might actually like someone like him who can play right guard or right tackle

You'll play him at right guard and then after this year the long-term plan has moved about to right tackle

I could see them doing that. I think that's why they're talking offensive lineman so much because they need someone now this year

Obviously, but long-term

Right tackle is probably gonna be something they need to address cuz Patrick Pauling going nowhere right now

Monroe Freelings the interesting one. I think I can't call it up because looks like pff is down

I don't know if he if he played any right tackle there. I don't think he did I think he was left tackle

So I don't know if he fits but you know

If you're if you're going to do that

BPA you got to stick true to it though

So I don't need you with him if they might and a certain love you might just say not really a fit or he's so good

We will coach him up to play right tackle because he's our long-term answer there. I don't know, but yeah, I think

They can't go wrong and pick 11 just I

Mean they can't afford it Mike

They can't afford it Mike. You're gonna get a really good player fall in your lap

And it'd be oh, I don't want to see impossible to screw because we've seen people screw it up

It'd be kind of tough this year to screw it up because we have needs literally everywhere

Yeah, yeah, and you know and moving forward

I mean, this is the most important draft for their lives right now, you know new guys in

At GM and at head coach this and then maybe next year becomes the most important draft that their lives again

You know, you just never know but this one right here with all these picks and all these options to make moves

It's just really really important man and we're not we all know this we're not one player away from being

Of a really good team right now

So yeah, and they they've heart on being a team that builds through the draft builds and drafts and develops

That's that's their motto and I like that a lot. I really do man

So there's a thing though like he talked about present players that can play, you know that are

Multi-faceted basically whether you're saying you know guards that can play centers that can play guard

But if I'm thinking of tackle

I know you used to have me right hand the dirt now you have to you left hand a dirt or vice versa

I'm looking at tackles like I you should be able to play both if in my opinion and I know it's not that easy

But if you have enough time and enough you know enough knowledge and enough coaching

I think if you can play tackle

Which is a hard position because a lot of times out there you're on your one-on-one

I think you you get a left guy and make him a right guy and figure it out

And then if you have to you know moving in to do it whatever you have to do if you have to move inside do whatever you have to do

But if you got a badass tackle out there

It's hard to find two badass tackles

And we've seen that in a lot of teams that we play against we think all right, you know

We've got our guys going against this this tackles their third string or second string or not a very good

Tackle you got two great tackles that can handle one-on-ones and you can go three on two on the inside with garden and

Guards and center that's a great situation out there for an offensive line

So if you can find yourself a badass tackle. I don't care if you play left right if you play in the backfield as it's as a tackle

Whatever it was man put that mug in the lineup and let's go for it, man

Yeah, and you know what's you know what's interesting juice is I think that's more common with your veteran tackles

being the swing tackle Larry Bournem and Kindle Lamb like you know Patrick Paul

They did not want to move Patrick Paul to write tackle. They wanted him to stay at left tackle

So you bring up an interesting phenomenon, but I think Austin Jackson played both didn't he?

I think he started a left tackles. I believe so. Yeah as youngsters, but it it seems like kind of

You know that they they've

Maybe they steered away from that

Recently after I can burg and Austin Jackson, but that's the old administration also, you know

But I just brought up on role-freeing because you're right Mike to my knowledge

He never played guard. He never played right tackle. He's a left tackle

Yeah, if he is the next available player on your chart the BPA I wouldn't take I would take a corner

A.B. on tarot from Clemson or or whoever Jamal McCoy I would fill a need I really would and and so it would you know

The number 11 pick is gonna tell us a lot about the the new administration and what they think

Number 30 maybe they traded. I would like to see them keep it, but number 11

There's no way I move up or down and I take an impactful player

I'm not taking a guard my man from Penn State. I'm not taking him

They got a young yeah, I

Take it

I would take yeah, man sort of lane if look if Carnail take the wide receiver from Ohio state is there

I think about him a kind lemon probably not he's a slot

Jordan Tyson from Arizona state lot injuries there a lot of hamstring injuries right you're exactly right Mike

So I mocked him to the dolphins after the waddle trade and my mock after the waddle trade

But there's a lot of possum just don't pick the wrong guy right exactly human might be the wrong guy

Jordan Tyson might be the wrong guy

Don't pick the wrong guy. I think there's a lot of guys that you could you know

I even if he's not a pro-bowl talent

He could be a good solid player at whatever position

Yeah, just don't pick the injury guy or whatever

Yeah, I'm not in perk and Mike in it's a rock. I'm not picking any guard in 11 anyways

I'm not I'm not doing that. I promise you I'd rather go get some grown-ass man somewhere that's played in the league at least

It's you know filled into his body, you know that knows it came a little bit

I'm not you know look look. I mean Jonah survived. I you know

I hope he's gonna be a lot better this year, but it's hard to get a young guy to come in and play guard

That's what the really grown-ass men play, you know, that's why my ass. I play running back all my life

So I got the Penn State and I see you know what I'm not grown enough in here. Let me take my ass outside

That's it. Stay away from all these big dudes, you know, and so yeah, I'm with you man

And I think what what you know, what Sully was saying to do today, too was as well as you know at 11

Somebody you got to have an impactful player at that position

Somebody's gonna be a difference maker guard is not gonna be a difference maker

You know for your team unless it's the other way around it's gonna be a bad difference

He's gonna make by giving up sack by giving up pressures by not being able to you know

You know affect the run for us positively. So I'm with you man. I mean, I know you talked shit about Penn State

But it's okay though, man

You got chop props in a couple years ago. Come on, man. Can't be that bad. I know

I know it's chop. I need chop to come through for me, man

It's been tough my Penn State boy here. I need chop to come through for me to save face for that, you know that that blue and white

You know me, but that's a whole different story, Mack. I don't know why you brought that up today

Hey, no, I want 11 receivers and then five of them with the Penn State. That's what I want

His top 20 picks for all-wide receivers, you know

Yeah, I think it's I really I really do feel like you know

I think another thing that I really like that Sully said today Perk is that they're more apt to move down

Then the move up in the draft they need all 11 picks and if they can accumulate more

It would do so. What do you think about that comment? I like that. I think that was in the context of when he said

Be careful about trying to hit home run and take that double off the wall, you know

Yeah, I think that that's that's kind of you know don't get greedy, you know, and I think that's kind of

What he's thinking everything that Sully says sounds right and you know, it's he again

He talks about draft and develop and he talks about, you know, making making these picks count

He's not about the the social media likes and and the glam and the high profile stuff

He's about to hand him the dirt playing actual football and that's what he talks and I think it's gonna come through on his draft

Philosophy everything that he talks about I will say this now

To kind of change subjects. I I did ask Sully about Troy Ackman because I

Love that Troy Ackman conversation. We heard that conversation. How can that love it? Yeah, yeah

So he was I you know and I because Troy has been on podcast and he has said that he's gonna be in the facility

He didn't say he was gonna be in the draft room

And I was wondering if Ackman was gonna be consulted on picks and Sully said no

He won't be consulted on picks, but he will be in the facility

But you know, it just seems to me that Ackman's fingerprints as he said are on this rebuild

So I was I was wondering you know how what his role might be in the draft

And I thought I was interesting that Sully made it a point to say I've taken some advice from from him

As well as Dan merino and we consulted Dan and quarterbacks and receivers and I like talking to Dan and Dan

Dan Dan Dan Dan and then then he was like, but Troy has also been instrumental

But he was very careful to mention Dan in there and I thought that was interesting

Everyone happy

Yeah, right you know it man he goes yeah, he goes right there with Troy big bronze bus and can go

Yeah, you know, you got to make so you don't miss over Dan man

Don't get the golden jacket's upset. They carry some weight with them. I was here to think about Troy too

Which I learned yesterday or two days ago and I didn't know this and I put out a tweet

Which of course got taken out of context, but whatever

This is his final year with ESPN his contracts up after this year now

He makes a lot of money with ESPN. He didn't make 25 million like someone said, but he makes a lot

Of course if they pay him the same he ain't going nowhere. He'll stay with ESPN

duh, but ESPN just took over the NFL network

They got a lot of new workers under that big umbrella and if ESPN

I'm probably gonna have to pay more to keep money and I football and pay more for these right steals if they lowball Troy

I'm not saying Troy's gonna work with all the full time and just be the guy there

But he might say if you're not gonna pay me what I'm worth I'm gonna keep this job because don't lowball him

Is my point so well that's gonna be interesting on this place out because ESPN now have all those people from the NFL network under their umbrella

And Troy's contracts up after this year, which they call this Super Bowl and ESPN actually

If they try to lowball him, I could see you try going I don't need this and maybe

Not a full-time rolleroff is maybe even more involved than he is now as you said last week perk gaining influence gaining power

He might really like this job and say if ESPN is gonna lowball. I mean, I don't need to do this. I just don't Mike

I just don't see I don't see ESPN lowball

Yeah, who else with the he's a he's a top dog man. I know he makes a lot of money. He is a top dog dog

Man, I mean, I know they got some guys underneath them, but Troy is like when you listen to him when you listen to Troy talk

On TV man. He's the best. He's the best

He's way better than normal. Yeah, Ramos. Really good. Yeah. Let's not let's not come on Mike

He's better than those two Troy is the best because here's the thing Troy don't give no laughs

He'll say was a first on his mind

Pittsburgh game last year where he's like what the hell they doing?

Yeah, yeah, I love that man. I was spot on because we were all thinking the same damn thing

Yeah, and so yeah, I like that, but you know, I I really do enjoy the fact that you know, they've welcomed Troy

They've welcomed Troy into the building. They've been a lot of there's been head coach

Don't welcome former players in there at all as coaches as analysts. I mean as a you know consultants as anything

Really for some reason there's like, you know, anybody nobody. I'm trust me this

Nobody wants to be a hit coach

That pretty much played the game that you know, that's that's got that type of stature. They don't want that

They don't want that they want to be a part of an organization

Dan loves being a part of the organization, but all the damn headaches man. Who wants all those headaches?

You know, so I work

Troy loves that damn loads where he's at and Troy wants to be a bigger part like Perk is talked about

It's seemed like it's coming in fruition. I love that part of two man any part Troy

Acme wants to be a part of this organization because what I read to is that the Dallas Cowboys didn't want to offer him any of this

Yeah, you know amazing to me, you know, you think Troy wouldn't want to go there first

You know, you think he wouldn't want to be a part of what we're doing with him in Dallas first

But you know, which is it's great. And that's probably you know an ego issue for Jerry

Jerry Jones like nah, this is my me and Stephen this we running the show over here

We don't need a you know, the our greatest quarterback ever other than Roger Stahlback was one of my favorite quarterbacks growing up

We don't need any of this stuff, you know, and I like Danny white too, man

I like even more as a punner than a quarterback, but that's a little bit of story

You could tell the Cowboys fan a little bit growing up right?

That's the Billy Joe to free Tony Dorsett

Billy face baby come on now. Come on stop playing with me

I'm with you man. So any I do love the Troy aspect of what's going on with this team

All that helps man as long as Eagles don't get in the way all that helps now

Perky also said Troy will be in the room, but he won't have any impact on the draft selection correct

Right, he did say that he did say that and and I asked

Sully who has final say on the draft picks and he said he did

You hear all the stuff about well, you know Steven Steven the Steve Ross one at Lamar Jackson and blah blah blah

Who has final say on the draft pick let's let's know let's get this up front before the draft starts because there could

be situations and look Steve Ross is the owner and so if he loves final say

He gets final say right he writes the checks, but I do like that Steve Ross

Let's the football people make the football decisions and and and I've always liked that about Steve Ross

I like that they've kind of changed their way of doing things with Troy Aitman and gone out of the building right with Troy Aitman and Daniel

Ross is son-in-law who is in his relevant company a CEO in the relevant company

They kind of gone outside the building and what I like is they understood that what they were doing was not working

So let's do something different and and so I think that's what Troy Aitman and and Silman represent is doing something different and so

I do like that from from the golf and standpoint and but as far as you know Troy being in the draft room and being

in the facility that's good, but you know for Sully to say the buck stops with me

I think that's good and I think that's another example of

Being accountable which Hathley has talked about and Sully has talked about with the players all throughout the organization

It's accountability. You don't hear a whole lot of well

Wishy washy stuff. It's firm answers and I'd like that about this new regime

Now Mike and and Chris and and Savak you think it's weird that half has no input on the draft pick

I think he's got input. He's talking to have the final say right right and the GM should have the final say

But you know, everybody's supposed to be in unison in coordination with each other like I mean

But somebody's still in charge though

I know it's it's still Sully final the final call right and I like he said that he wasn't going to force any player on any coach

So right I guess that means the head coach as well, right?

Right. That's it. That's it. And and that's kind of that's kind of the opposite Chris Greer approach where Chris Greer was going to

Give the head coach whoever he wanted. Yeah, and and so this was this

I think that this was kind of Sully's way of saying it is a collaborative

Effect right that I'm not just going to force somebody on a coach that and I think he said there are times where you know

He might insist he might say that, you know, this is the guy, but um

I thought that that was that kind of hinted at collaboration there

Another thing that I thought was was important was when they were talking about character and and Sully was saying that you know

I want to talk to four or five different guys at the same school

You know the cafeteria worker the medical people the assistant coach because look

We know about Jonathan Martin and we know about Deon Jordan and and so you've got to do kind of that medical

We know about the fountain parker if you want to go physical stuff, right?

I can't miss it. You know I can't miss it. Yeah, right, right? So so I you know again

You've got to put this stuff into practice, but I like hearing this kind of stuff again

It makes it gives me more assurance or reassurance that these guys are about business

It's not this is not entertainment. Let's get on TV. Let's get so for media likes

This is about draft and develop and they're grown men and they're serious about their craft

Yeah, I also like when he said two certain names. He will turn name upside down

Yeah, someone asked him you maybe I'm not sure who asked him have you ever picked someone whose name was upside down

He was like oh, yeah

Point is just value

Yeah

That's all great points man. I think his number one criteria was can they play ball right?

No, and that's what we always talk about, you know, there's a bunch of different things and you know

Let me look take take for example myself

You know, I had a this only conduct at Penn State and Stu Weinstein who I love the best my guy right now

It's one of my best friends like down here and he said he had to investigate that and see what that was all about

And he did this investigation and really was me trying to get all the rest of the guys out of there

You know, but of course some dumbass out there's like oh, Jay, we gotta get out of here like now they know it's me

Bro, you know what I mean like I don't mean don't be snitching on man. I'm trying to get everybody else up out of here

You know, but that's the due diligence that you're talking about perk with all the different things

You know, you got to do the background checks. You got to talk to the maintenance you

I want to know how people handle everybody in the building man, you know me because my hope for life

Throughout my life throughout my career was the people that are in the building don't work for me

They work with me they work with us. They're part of the team

Everybody's doing their job to make a successful in that building and we need to have a bunch of people in that building

That feel the same way because sometimes athletes a little jerky jerks. We know this man

They think that they're better than everybody else man. They're no better than everybody else

Especially the ones that like that that working that building there

They're way before they get there and they're after they leave man, you know

So I think that that character part that character issue means a lot, man

I'm still cool with everybody that ever worked with the dolphins, you know

I can go to equipment room and Joey and Charlie and sweet. They're so cool with me now that I just like

Yo, I need can I get a hat can I get a football can I get a t-shirt and

Sure as hell might go to front desk, you know what I mean?

And and and Valerie's got it for me who I know from the front desk when I was going there, you know

You know big James they they they they they they look out for us man because of the way our relationship has been all those years

I like guys like that that coming there and they treat everybody as equals and they can go out there and play ball

Metal character when that matches your also your ability to play football

Those are the kind of guys you want your building man, and I want and I also like this one of my other criteria

Perk and Mike and Savak is

Captains where you a captain on your football team

If you were elected captain on your football team not either point it not appointed captain

So sometimes captains are appointed by coaches if you were elected captain on your football team

I want to bunch of those in my locker room as well

Yeah, yeah, I agree I agree and and to your to your point juice about character

I you know people say how do you treat people who can't do anything for you?

You know, that's that's kind of one of the measuring sticks right that that you know

How do you treat them? And I think that's one of the things that the dolphins and and Sully you're talking about

Another thing that I asked Sully about that I liked his answer was in the pre-draft process you have all these ways

To scout players you have the film you have a combine where the doctors can put their hands on them

You have the pro day where you can see him you have the senior bowl where you see actual football

What do you value most and he say at the film he said the film the film don't lie the film tells you who that player is

And that was another answer from Sully that I that I really like because that was a real

Hand in the dirt football guy answer that

People can fool you in interviews right doctors can miss stuff when they put their hands on the player

You turn on that film and and and that's that that's that was that I liked hearing that from Sully

You know perk and you you brought that out of him perk you asked all those you you you laid all that out

He's like, man

You you covered everything right there you you covered all those all those criteria and he said yeah

Absolutely, but it boils down to film you know

And also always say this all the time too is the best abilities availability right film might be good

But you got to make sure that I can I can have you out there for right 16 17 games every season as well

In this time of year we hear a lot of this too where someone like right after the season

You know, he's like a third-round prospect, but he was great at the senior bowl week

So now he's up to round what well he had a good week in practice in the senior bowl

How about what did he do from August to January when he had games that's cute

He did the senior bowl or the shrine bowl or a pro day or the combine like that's okay

That's not matters to a certain extent, but it like what did he do over the course of a season

Lying up one the games were real and sometimes when I just rolled my eyes when he was great the senior bowl

It's like okay, it's important, but isn't I mean that shouldn't outway

Kind of what he said and what you're saying. What do you do over the course of the season? What do you do over the course of multiple years at

Arizona state Arizona?

I whatever you know, what do you know?

What you know though, Mike where I differ there in your opinion on some of that is that

Yeah, I get you know a lot of times you're playing in some place where you don't have the greatest competition

You know everybody knows big 10 is the best football conference and football we get all that you know the last three national championships

That speaks for itself after arguing yeah, but when you go to senior bowl

That's different than anything else. I think senior bowl. You're going again

Lot of the best of the best you know all week long and I think practice way more important than that game is for a lot of

These evaluators and how you go out to compete are you a leader out there?

Are you as tough as we thought you were or not, you know

You got some guys that are from like

Arizona state that didn't get much recognition that are in the senior bowl that are out there trying to knock your head off because you went to

Miami you went to any any with the Michigan Ohio State. So I mean, I think the senior bowls one of those ones where you know

That's where you get some real good evaluation against some of the best first of the best obviously there are all seniors

But same time though you get a chance to see these guys go out there and compete against some really really good town

Whereas I went to Japan bowl

Really?

We practiced 30 minutes a day

You know what I mean? It was

He's burning with our coach

Anyone sightseeing right?

We went sightseeing. We got massages. We you know

We went through all the sushi out in front of us. You know what I mean?

No cell phones back then you were good

It was super simple. We had like a 15-page handwritten playbook. It was super simple

You know, so I mean, there was no evaluate talent in Japan compared to what was like

Immobile you know that so yeah, I'm sure

That's a that's a whole different time a whole different era, which we're gonna talk about here shortly one thing when we were talking about the character stuff

It's kind of what happened over the weekend

I think with Ruben Bain what came out about him

It seemed like all the teams knew about it was kind in the past everyone knew what they knew

But uh people like us who maybe weren't in the no one that's like oh look what happened blah blah blah

um

He's he's probably the one person this draft who probably can't wait till it's over with that story and everyone talking about his arm

Lakes short arm this day. He's probably can't wait for this draft to be over just like stop talking about every little

What are your thoughts on him and just sort of like the short arm thing. Let's just talk about that um

Look, I'm not an expert. I don't know. I think some of that stuff's kind of overblown

But in some ways, it's also kind of not because it's like you look for traits

And I think what will be interesting is John Eric Sullivan from the Packers

They have this process. They look for certain types of thing

If Ruben Bain's there pick 11 because like we don't take guys with those

With that type of arm like the passes item. I think dolphins fans. It's how Florida will be like your pass that Ruben Bain

It'll be kind of interesting to see how they have plays out if he's actually there pick 11. What are your thoughts perk?

Uh, it's it's very interesting because uh

Soley today he did talk about their certain traits. Yeah

You know, you yeah that that it's a it's a game that's played by big men

That's played by fast men and you have to have some of those traits. You know, I love Ruben Bain

He's a high motor guy. He's he's a skill pass rusher. He's got a great bull rush

He's decent against the run from what I've seen

Uh, I think that he's a he's a definite top 15 pick if he's there for the dolphins versus saying now we know up

I

I guess I take Maui Noah for versatility because he can start off at guard and then kick out to

To tackle like you were saying the dolphins deal with his uncle, which is probably the plan for a lot of team with Maui Noah

Um, but I like Bain and I think that that he's a he's an impactful player. I you know, I did my um my draft preview

Cashus how the edge rusher from Texas A&M actually has shorter arms

He's got short arms Ruben Bain is 30 and seven eighths inches and and

Cashus how was 30 and one quarter inches, but I just didn't hear that cashus out

I didn't hear that his arms are short. Right. At a certain point you're so high up that people just want to knock you down

And and so I think that's the interesting thing about Ruben Bain, but boy, if Bain is there

Uh, he'd be hard for me to pass up. I think he's gonna be a

A solid pro. I can't say he's gonna be a four-time pro bowler

But I think he's gonna be a a year-blown starter and a solid pro

Yeah, I mean if you get to what year one starter you got a chance

I mean you you got a chance because that

Honestly extends your career and I think that Ruben Bain was I mean those two on a defensive line

They were the heartbeat of that the UM team they they're the reason that team got so they're my Marikai

You know who has who has two more years, man's in that perk

Magic ball out if you're rookie your freshman year in college. You still got to stay in college for two more years

No, they're not tuneless ridiculous, but that's another story, but yeah

You make millions through so yeah

It's a different story. You're right. You're not you're not locked up like you used to be right back in the day

That's a great point, man, and sometimes this we got dudes fighting to stay in college

Right

Well, there were a lot of guys in the SEC. They're already taking pickups when they came to league now

Now it's just legal

I told Richard Webb that I said Richard Webb you took a big pick up and you can and Richard Webb's the top 10 pick

He said nah, he tried to deny I said man. Don't give me that

And then of course, I mean sure Richson comes out about Nick Saving at Alabama

You know when Nick saw a word about the NIL and then he said what

He gave me I got 75 grand to come there. We got what like 10,000

Come on man, it's been going on for a long time

And I know for fact, you know you guys are all about Penn State

Penn State I promise you I was broke as a joke at Penn State

Broke as a joke had zero money had a nice apartment

But had zero zero dollars in my pocket as a matter of fact

Now I gotta tell you all my business

Well, you told a story on my podcast a few years ago when you first got to Penn State

You were so homesick that your family sent you a TV

VCR combo so you could record if the folks I am not lying his favorite soap operas

So we could watch him every day you feel more like home otherwise he was getting ready to leave Penn State

His freshman year

You couldn't you couldn't let him go research that Mike you

My soap operas when I got home from work every day and after doing that for like a few months

I started watching them myself. I'm like, can't you think you're bad?

Yeah, you know what?

Where you watching Luke and Laura

CBS guy CBS guy. I'm a CBS guy. You know me

Older beautiful young and a restless as the world turns part. Don't get on. Don't play with me, man

I just got to my classes around young and a restless don't play with me part. I ain't playing

Have to watch your stories. They're right. I did

They're right. I'm addicted, ma'am's of the dick. It's like my mom see

See now Mike you want to tell the stories tell the whole story Mike look at tell story living in a one TV home

In a one TV household. Yeah

Where we had a VCR one VCR

And it was the second VCR we had the first VCR we bought was a box of bricks on the street my we got got

We got got this story too

And I can't believe they got my mom like that my mom did her best to get me a VCR

We have one VCR and back then you had to have the TV on

On the channel to record it you can't just do DVR like you're all this other crazy stuff you can do now

So if I wanted to watch TV on our one TV and I had to record my mom's soap so get my ass whoop

That's what I had to watch man. So yeah, you know

Captain Chancellor and you know, I mean

They they man they were big time for the same childhood summer. That's right

Until I got a then I got a summer job net health out a little bit

Anyhow man Mike. Thanks Mike. Appreciate that, bro. No problem. Hey, June told me the first time

The judge of run boys a couple of my boys went to SMU. That's where you should have gone. You wouldn't have been broke

Oh, man

I

Erick Dickerson was driving like a gold corvette or something. It was crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and Ohio State man Ohio State wanted me

They got in a lot of trouble when they were doing I didn't realize they were doing it like that

They didn't offer me anything no to go there. They just you know thought I was a hometown boy. It was gonna go to Ohio State

Obviously they're named an offering nothing either. I know that except to play for Lou Holts and touchdown Jesus

You know, that's how he offered you know, no, the name was yeah, they were on the hearts of sophomore season in high school

They were on me hard man Ohio State

Notre Dame Michigan. They were on me hard my for my sophomore year on and

In Penn State kind of in middle of my sophomore junior year

But yeah, man, it was like, but there was no money offered my and we were broke

Yes, why not you know what he offers the hell was going on

So I went to a private school. They thought I had some money and I did not that was a fake. That was a joke

Oh, just talk about this little bit when you were drafted 93

The night of the like it's night in day now those years like what the draft it was like all like one or two days

They would spend you know each pick was like 15 minutes and went forever you going round one

Where were you? Were you surprised it was Miami? What was the next step after you get the call where you you know

Hand down there the next day was at the next week

What was your whole experience like?

Yeah, it was um, yeah, it was uh my experience is way different than how they have today

So when I got drafted there was still 12 round draft

And um, the draft started on Sunday afternoon

So yeah, Sunday afternoon is when the draft started and um

I was at Penn State actually the night before

Kicking it like oh, we like held haves in the barn at that point

You know, they gonna take me or they ain't gonna take me long time to get in trouble with the night

You know, I mean, it's too wise. They didn't got to come get me out of jail with that

I'm gonna be I'm gonna be in trouble. I'm gonna be alright, man

So the hay was already in the barn at that point man, so I was at Penn State for blue white weekend that weekend

I got up Sunday morning, and I drove back to Cleveland, Ohio

where I um actually

I you kicked it so hard man that I was tired as hell so I took a nap on the couch man

Lay down the couch. I knew I wasn't going in the first 15 picks

I mean, it was already said I wasn't going in first 15 picks and so I just laid on the couch man took a nap

And then I thought I was going around 20 21. I was I was rumored to go 22 to San Diego

You know, so I woke up my mom woke me up my mom was worried. I was gonna sleep through the draft

But I woke up around pick 20 um

You know, I don't know where who was picking at that point

But I was waiting really to get to 22 and see if I get a call from the chargers and that call never happened

You know and then 23 happened no call there 24 obviously no call there

My first and only call was 25 when Don Schuller called me from the dolphins

And said they were going to take me at the neck actually if I actually asked me like would you you want to be a Miami dolphin

I'm like, hell yeah, I want to be a Miami dolphin. That's not a fucking question to say. I didn't say that

I didn't say that but kind of question

And so you know, I heard after that mic that that 26 Buffalo was considering was going to take me at 26

So I got lucky that you know dolphin was sitting at 25. They had just lost the ASC championship game the year before

So that means Buffalo was picking one pick behind them. So that worked out absolutely perfect for me

I'll come down to Miami, but I was uptell you man. I was like

I only went back to Penn State another year to solidify my position in the first round

You know, if I was thinking about coming out my junior year after the festival and when we were doing all that

All the research they were talking about be late first early second round pick

And so I'm like, you know what let me come back one more year

Schedule my classes around the young and the rest. Let's take two classes on Tuesday and Thursday

That was it and then I just major in football and that's what I did and I was able to get that opportunity

Japan bowl going back to that almost messed my draft status up because I hurt my knee in Japan

I was headed back to go playing the senior bowl hurt my knee in Japan

And so I went straight back to Penn State and started rehab my knee before my pro day in April

And so that pro day in April was huge because I missed I went to combine the interviews

But I wasn't able to work out, you know, did all my measurable stuff and everything like that

But my first workout was at my pro day in April

I mean right before the draft and then that was that was critical for me to be able to go out there and run and run routes and

You know, my quarterback was pertin and Savakan Mike for my pro day

Talk

Kerry Collins

Look at that

Two years later. He was a fifth overall picking the dress. I had a great quarterback throwing my routes and god

That was doing, you know what I mean? And so I had top black as I ain't that damn old person

Ten years before 83

I think you guys remember you said that you said top black ladies. That was crazy

I thought he might come back

He's like really 80s man that stop with that perk. Yeah, so that's so yeah

So the fact that I got in the first round

Mike to bring it all back man is the fact that I ended up in the first round and definitely coming to Miami

That was that was truly a blessing and let me let me let me piggyback that by saying

We're talking about that 11 pick for the Miami dolphins

There's a lot of pressure on that 11 pick me at 25. There wasn't as much pressure for me at 25

You know, if you think about it. We were already coming off the AFC championship game and we had just lost

We just revamped our defense with you know

Troy Vincent and Marco Coleman and we have Brian Cox and all those Jeff Cross and all those really the white hall

You we had so many really good to Lewis Oliver and

Yeah, I mean the defense was stacked so they were just trying to ask some really some firepower to the offense as well as a return guy

So when I got there, you know, they just trade traded

uh

Mark Clayton

Duke was still with us. We traded Mark Clayton for a second round pick in New England and we got over fire with that pick

You know, so we picked up over fire. We picked up. Then we had Dupor there Tony Martin

Myself Mark Ingram

So we were getting Keith Jackson Keith buyers

Terry Kirby of course Damirino web sims are all our team was stacked

You know, and I was a guy really that was there to return kicks that first year

So I was I had a lot less pressure than this number 11 is going to have coming into this team

If they stay in that pick because as we know this team needs to be revamped

It needs to add some players and they got some players now that have to play like right now

I wasn't forced in that situation where I was picked

Jews two wide receivers were picked in front of you

Yeah, I would bet my life you know their names

What are they? I do

Kerr's Conway. Yeah, Sean Dawkins. Yeah

Curtis Conway went 7th

Yeah, you want 7th and Sean dark Sean darkens went 16th 16th Indianapolis

Yeah, and you went 25th

San Francisco had picked 2627 then the bills they had 28

But um, yeah, and you were pretty much

The only offensive player picked between pick 22

To

The end around one everyone else's defense. Yeah, I think George T was the last pick in first round, right?

Last pick around one George T went to the packers. Yep before him time is Smith

Todd Kelly I'm gonna see the bus flow. All right. I'm a field one after you Smith want the ball flow

Dana Stubba field will

We had a good draft. Tell wait, please run now. I know we got draft talk next week too

But talk about how many Hall of Famers are my draft class a nice draft

Hall of Famers you got Willie Roof. Yep, you got your own baddest. Yep

You got Michael Strayhan. Yep, Will Shields. Yep, John Lynch

Damn, this was a load of draft

See if you got anyone else after John Lynch a lot of pro bowlers, but okay, so yeah, we had to get a hell of a draft class

Yeah, round seven

Wow, you hear round seven Brock Marion went to the Cowboys. He ended up with Miami. Obviously. Yeah

You see, I just recently watched that first round too just because it was

Something completely unrelated in the broadcast team. They were a little bit caught off guard with the pick

They thought uh Miami was gonna take Glenn Millburn. He is

I'm on here's the funny part we tell you about that's the box. It's so funny because I'm listening to

Burman who I really don't like

I miss those guys on the on the broadcast and they're talking about what this pick, you know, they've got to take, you know

Glenn Millburn out of Stanford, you know, and I'm on the phone with Don Sula

Damn, please, right? Go ahead. He's talking that dumb sum now on the phone with Sula right now

He could say what you want on td, but I'm on the phone with Sula right now

That's the funniest part. They had him up too. They all they were announcing the pick

They had to win when yo burn up and then they announced the pick and it's like, uh-oh

You you could see that in the production room. They have realized

I read the commissioners lips too when he was like reading it like, oh, yeah, uh, they're

It's official. It's official Glenn Millburn went pick 43 you and 20 picks after you

Well, if you talk about that defense of run that lot of teams might have had and you know

He was a running backs last kind of return guy

My my thing was returning kicks and points and playing wide receivers

So all those things worked out in my favor where he was a running back that pretty much just returned kicks

So I work, you know, what they were thinking was a ass and I in my thing

And it definitely was ass and juice juice with an SAT word

I think we're like mayonnaise

All right, we're at the 50 minute mark. I think we should probably assess what do start winding it up with

I tried to tell y'all's oh Jay you always go first. So I will give you the honors for and I tried to tell y'all

All right, you got it guys. I tried to tell y'all that I believe in this new regime

I am all in on coach Hathley and and I love what Sully has been saying

I believe them and what they have been saying so far so

Really, you know, you're looking at good stuff like toughness and the trenches and smart guys physical guys to film

We talked about a little bit, you know

It sounds like the NFC North to me a little bit and I like that about what this team needs to be because we got to get tougher

You know also believe them when they're talking about

Taking a quarterback every year or two. So

There will be you know some solid quarterbacks coming out, you know next year or now on or whatever

But and who knows when it's going to be a good hit on a guy like a Brock Purdy or God willing a Tom Brady

So I'm putting my hat in the ring for one drew

Out there

You know, it's from Penn State, you know, Drew came to Penn State as a top quarterback in the country

Uh, he might have been one of the top players in the country and since he's a fellow Ohioan as well

You know, I have to go all in on him Drew has some phenomenal years at the beginning of his time at Penn State

It was really really good

But shame on us shame on Penn State

Super shame on us for not developing him the way, you know, he deserved

Drew was all of six five two hundred and thirty pounds. It's armed talent is ridiculous

He's smart as hell and even you know, show me more athletic ability than I thought he had last year

But his footwork was a mess. They had his mind condition completely wrong and both of those things are not a fault of his own

But a fault of Penn State football program to correct it and if it can be corrected at this level because he's a hard worker

And you know and and he'll get it right

That's what I love about what Drew can do for us right now

Now I know we have Malik Willis who I know is going to be an outstanding quarterback for us

And I know we drafted Quinn viewers last year, you know, his last you gave his last few games showed us a lot about

What it can be a little bit of promise from Quinn just like Malik's last few games did

But that's why we went and got him now. I'm going to you know

Well, I'm sorry now. I'm not saying to draft Drew in the 11th to 30th pick

But I am going to say this

Draft him him with our second round pick might not be the opposite either, but we have three

Third round we have four third round picks now there might be an option right there to go out there and snatching if he's available

Now this Green Bay group has always done an amazing job of of stocking quarterbacks up, right?

I mean and having one before you need one is always important having one before you need one

It's always important

Farve with Rogers waiting Rogers with love waiting love with Malik waiting

So now we have Malik and maybe we can have out of their waiting or Quinn doesn't matter me

But he both of those guys can battle it out to see who wants to be that guy

But we also have the very cognizant of keeping one to pipeline always having a quarterback in the pipeline

Just in case because it's absolutely the most important position not just in football

But in sports. So bring Drew in letting battle Quinn for the backup and let's get this quarterback trained rolling because we are and I tried to tell you

There you go juice for the Penn State tie and shot of course

Chris Perkins you're up next

All right

I tried to tell your late last season that divine HN is a central personnel

And now you're here in Sully walk the walk on that after he talked the talk now look

Here's not big thing with H&O. He deserves a contract extension

I think James Cook from Buffalo is a good kind of model three years 48 million 30 million guarantee

But I think the dolphins need to be smart with H& at his route. He's a

191 pound running back. I like what H& does

But his shelf life is very short in this league if you give him high usage

You've got to reduce his usage you've got to be smart with the Von H& now look

I love the running game that the dolphins had last season

I think it was better than the 2023 running game and here's why most of football is situational

And I thought with the running game of 2025 it was good in two-minute offense

It was good in four-minute offense. It was good in red zone

You could give your bond H& the ball on first and ten and you could have second and six

You could give him the ball again and have third and one and you could give him a ball the third time

And you could convert now you don't want to do that

But that's the difference between this run game in 2023 and 2023

I thought you could give the ball on first down and you were going to have second and 12

And then maybe you would get a 14-yard game

But you give him the ball again on first down and you were going to have second and 12

You give him the ball in the red zone. They weren't going to do it

H& is a very valuable running bag whether you're running outside zone or between the tackles whether you want to throw it to them

But again

He's a hundred and ninety-one pounds. So through smart offense on the part of Bobby slow it and through good coaching to the

Bell up Jalen right and Ali Gordon the second you got to find ways to preserve

Devon H& he's one of your best players

He is essential personnel

But you want to have him for the length of this rebuild. He's that good. He's that important

The dolphins value him, but they've got to do things to preserve him

I'm trying to tell y'all. Yeah, yeah

So Valkyrie got something I do as a matter of fact

So I tried to tell y'all that the dolphins current leadership is in fact looking to go that classic by the book

Best player available in the draft now one of the perks of cleaning house the way that they did is that now when it comes to

Selecting or what positions are going to draft. There's almost no wrong answer

Now speaking of perks our very own here publish an article today on this particular topic

In it he compares Miami's first through third round selections from 2019 to 2023 to the same range is picked by the Detroit lines

And man that man is not bad in our favor

I'll spare you all the dirty details because Perk took the time to write that up

So you can go over there and read that on the Sun Sentinel

But the skinny is Miami did not do particularly well drafting during that stretch now out of 16 dolphin picks

There were no superstar selections for successful picks five solid selections and seven disappointing picks

Now you contrast that to the to the lions who had 18 selections during that same stretch turned one into a superstar

Uh, nine other successful selections two solid picks and six disappointments

And the lions made one playoff appearance between 19 and 23 which resulted in an NFC championship birth

They uh, they have seven all pro selections among five players 15 proble selections among eight of them

Out of those draftees now we have to keep in mind of course who it was that was making those decisions

As we all know the folks that were in Miami are no longer in the building

While Detroit keeps on trucking and their brain trust features none other than and I can't believe

Perk pointed at the lion specifically for this because it gives me yet another reason to highlight

There's senior personnel executive that joined the D right in the middle of all that say it with me now

John freaking dorsi the green bay product

So let's rewind

If Miami hopes to build a contender that lasts

They're gonna have to follow the playbook laid out by the teams that still operate on that old school mindset

Because these days old schools now considered kind of fresh or retro. I don't know

Whatever either way it works and I tried to tell you

Nice nice nice

Brought it there. All right

I tried to tell y'all

I mean he's having a good day first he got first he got in the first question now this he gets

Oh

That's it

He got two packs. All right, bye bye. All right

It's kind in the same vein and it's let me start with this here's what I tried to tell you

I don't know John Eric Sullivan will turn out to be a great GM or even a good GM

But I tried to tell you all from the time he was hired and when he first spoke to the media

It's a refreshing change of pace from what we were used to with Chris Greer every time this guy talks to the media

He doesn't dodge any questions. I think today there was one question

He didn't want to answer and he politely said I'm gonna keep that to myself right now

I don't want to tip my hand, but that was it

Everything else this guy is open and honest about his draft plan more likely to trade down

Then up we have eleven picks and we need them all one with Chris Greer. Was there ever a plan?

Ever one year he's trading away picks for Tyree can shove the next year

He's trading valuable picks move up and around to some years. He's trading picks out of that year

One of his rosters thanks to trade picks in the future years

This guy was like Stevie Wonder had a salad bar

He was gonna add some do's

He was gonna add some do his plate, but you

Who did?

Oh idea if there was any rhyme or reason behind

He could be me laugh

Maybe stuff all over it. Okay, not solving though when he was asked about Troy Akman's involvement

He said he'll be at the facility welcoming the war room

But he's not gonna be consulted on picks because unlike the last guy

Who would ten minutes after he picked the guy said well this had coach and served his name

These two scouts and this position coach loved them

So I gave him what he wanted which is code four if this goes bad don't blame me

I just gave him what they wanted Sullivan is taking ownership of

Every picks and these are my decisions no committee it ain't up for a vote

Everyone can have their opinion, but I'm the final call and I'm taking responsibility

For this and we're getting close to the anniversaries of these famous clips

Clip number one. Well, I think you guys are probably more worried than we are

You know in terms of you know

At the position depth that at those spots you talked about but

And then a year later because that you're and it's so well. He doubled down. We're confident in the offensive line

So again, you know, it's just one of those. It's you know, Mike and I just we always kind of chuckle, you know

I know you guys made a joke about me saying that

I don't know what you guys are more worried about it than we are

but

Internally, that's how we feel about our group here as a as a team

now

Okay

Well, John Eric Sullivan ever given answer like that. I've only seen this guy talk for about what three months

He will never give an answer like that. That's not a prediction. That's a spoiler

Again, I don't know if he's gonna work out and put a winning product on the field

But our last three GMs were Jeff fireland mr. Hickey and Chris Greer

He's already ahead of Jeff fireland because he hasn't asked a prospect yet if his mother was a prostitute

Hickey ran two drafts and outside of Landry missed that literally everything else

And I was taken over for Greer who let's just go through a couple the highlights trade up for Liam Mike and Berk took Cam Smith and around to Noah

I've been arguing around one Charles Harris over T.J. Watt to over Herbert trade up for Jonah

So Vianneja just saying after one years not looking too promising there either and the fuel pixie did hit on like Robert hunting Brandon Jones

He let walk out the door. Well, they gave extensions to Austin Jackson and to the key thing

John Eric Sullivan said today was this

Which we've already said in the show

I worked in Green Bay with a guy that used to say be careful about trying hit the home run

Just make sure you hit a double off the wall with seven picks in the top hundred hit four or five

Hit four or five of those doubles maybe get one home run

And if he does the dolphins will be on the right track moving forward

And I try to tell y'all this is the right man for this job right now

And we'll see a long term. He's if he's a right man for the job

But you just get the ship on track

We need a guy with this mindset of draft

Develop and let's just fix this thing and try to fix it as best we can because he the last three gms have screwed this up

Yeah far beyond recognition

Yes, sir, right. Yo, I love that. That's okay. Yeah, I mean if you hit enough

Did we hear enough doubles off the wall?

Chris you put up crooked numbers

Mike you do me a favor can you put that that first

Put that first clip up again real quick for me because

Wow Chris is talking. I don't see Mike McDaniel and agreement with what he's saying

That's like a hostage video. It's nine seconds here we go

But then you guys are probably more worried than we are

Yeah, in terms of you know

At the position death that those spots you talked about but

Yeah, see that face screams. He was a little worried

If you see her off into lunch, I was in high-dive

In comparison, this is just from a couple months ago when he first got the job

This is four seconds. Oh, I need to know about John Eric Sullivan

When

Yeah, we got it. I'm here to win. I'm not gonna laugh at you guys you guys are more worried than oh

Double down. Oh my god

Double down was nasty work

We chuckle behind the scenes. What you laughing at right?

Too good, bro. Great stuff though. Let's great stuff there. Yeah, you already get up out of here. Yeah

We're going to rip it off. Oh, Jay. All right, y'all everybody. Thank you. Thank you, Mike. Thank you, Savak

Thanks, Chris and thank everybody else for diving in