Hellbender (2022) w/ Hellbender

0:00I think that's an excellent thing for me to do. But you know what the most frightening thing in the world is? It's fear. Everything. Don't fall asleep. What do you believe it? I did not have enough time to put together that 2015 big hits at this month. So that's going to be coming out the beginning of next month. Which means that in it's stead we have 9 different chats from the vaults. 9 of them. All with musical artists that have been included in the main feed big hits or episodes previously. And I'm going to give them their own space.

1:01I'm going to highlight those films that deserve their own day. And the musical artists that have been allowed to shine away from the clutter. Although, that clutter is some damn joyous and perfect textbook podcasting if I do say so myself. So, if you're hearing this, you've either clicked on in alphabetical order, a dead man from 95. That is with Jesse Klaven from Mika Miko. Hellbender from 2022. That is with the Adams family that have their own band called Hellbender. The film is also called Hellbender. Following that, we've got Logan's run from 1976. That's with Brick Smith. Of course, she was also in the fall. We've got Masters of Horror from 2005. That's with Jay Robbins from Burning Airlines. Nightmare Castle from 1965 with Louise Patricia Crane. The Omen from 1976 with Will Palmer from Angel Witch. We've got Strange Days from 1995.

2:03With Boris DiPianti. He's from Monkey 3. Superman 3 from 1983. We've composed our Christopher Snipes. And to the devil of daughter from 1976. We've Clayton Burgess from Satan's Say Tires. It's a mixed bunch of horror, science fiction and fantasy films. And musically, we're hitting up some punk rock. Some indie rock, industrial, emo, folk, hip-hop, stoner rock, biker metal. It's galactic ain't the word. So, enjoy your pick. There's going to be some brand new episodes. Not taken from the vaults in about a week or so. But until then, be the best you can be or the worst that you wish you were. Okay, next up, we have Zelda Adams as Izzy. We've got Toby Poser as Mother, Lulu Adams as Amber and John Adams as Uncle. This one is an Adams family production.

3:06A highly unique family team that I can honestly say they have yet to release a stinker I've seen anyway. And I'm not here to say all they never will. All artists do falter, but it's proper exciting when a director is yet to stumble. Now, I did start my Adams family experience with a snowcake tale of supernatural retribution in the hatred from 2018. I followed it with a film about loss and women's strength in the deeper that you dig from 2009. Hellbender followed in 2021, where the devil roams followed in 2023, positioning the family in a carnival setting. And finally, hellhole, it oozed its way onto Shutter a few months ago after a freak fracking accident, unleashed it onto an unsuspecting world. Now, as I say, for me, that is five for five. My recommendation is the head over to Shutter and watch Hellbender and then come back and prepare for me

4:10to totally fanboy out on Toby Poser and John Adams in this upcoming conversation. Here's your letterbox in Opsis. A teen and her mother live simply in a home in the woods, spending their time making metal music. A chance encounter with a fellow teen causes her to uncover a connection between her family and witchcraft, which causes a rift with her mother. Right now, after this trailer, you're going to be hearing the frankly super and the duper conversation with Toby and John, which took place in December 2024. Enjoy! Magic comes from the fear, fear of death. Every living thing has it, the more fear pumping through the blood. More power. Come to me. Here, here, here. Made a worm.

5:11Are your friends okay? You've opened a door that, once it's open, it can be a hard shot. I shouldn't have kept this from you. It was a mistake. I know the truth, Mom. I did what I was taught to do. When treats fall, falling summer, some reed sprang, and spring eats winter. What do you smell? I smell a man. You know why we'll call the hellbenders? Because we're feared. Have you been in my dreams? You break my heart out of memory. If they want to believe in hell so badly, I'll give them hell. I did what I was to be. People, it's not a gift, is it? Then why was it given? I'm not afraid of you, is it? You won't be.

6:13Do you ever get people being star-struck and things like that? You must stay! You know what's funny is lately we've been... It's so funny, just the concept of it. People have been so nice to us. In New York City, we've had a couple people come up to us. We were jumping off the subway and this young girl said to us, I love your movies. We've had a couple of people stop us on the street. It's really interesting. What I think we love about it is people treat us like we're their friends. They know us. It's a great compliment, at least for us. We like that. We really love that. In the UK, especially, we've just made so many great friends because everyone has been really just warm and inviting in terms of our work. We've met a lot of great people like Fright Fest and Mayhem and Celluloid Screams. The festivals in the UK are so horror. We've just been living it up over there.

7:15The UK has an audience that we just seem to really tap into and they tap into us. We all enjoy each other's company. We all enjoy each other's humor a lot. It's funny how different parts of the world seem to like what we do. Also, Argentina. For some reason, we have a really great group of friends in Argentina that are writing us all the time. You've got to hit the translation button because every speaker... It's great. I love that. I love it. Yeah, well, it's a community, right? That's what this is. Yeah. Okay. Before we get to Hellbender, I've got to ask about Hellhol. I've got no choice. So, I watched the commentary to DPU Dig. And I thought, right, I'm going to... I'm going to write the bullet. I'm going to watch Hellhol. I was going to wait for something else to come out like a boxit or something like that. But I'll... I've got to watch it. So, reviews were mixed and I was like, right. What is this like? Because I know there was something different about it. And I absolutely loved it. But it feels completely different.

8:16And there must be a reason for that. So, what is that? What is the reason? Well, we didn't produce it. It had a budget like a cajillion times bigger than our typical Adam's family budgets. A shutter supported the film. And the producers who we met doing the last driving with Joe Bob Briggs, which is a really big show on shutter. When we were doing that show, they said, hey, do you have anything cooking? And we said, we have this idea. But it wasn't something that we would have done because it takes place on a fracking site. So, the next thing you know, we were hustling up a script and shooting in Serbia. So, it just was very, very different. Beast, literally and figuratively. And... And pretty awesome. Just a really, you know, wild new experience for us, having a crew. You know, like we're used to wearing every single hat between John and me and our daughters. And this piece, it was like, oh, you mean we can't even touch the camera? That's just unheard of for us. Yeah, I think Toby's hitting on like the difference.

9:18So, we, after, after Hellbender, we got a lot of interest from kind of like the industry or Hollywood or whatever. People, producers calling us and wanting to do a movie with us and things like that. And we were kind of saying no to them all because we really loved what we're doing as a little family. But then we thought, you know what? It would be smart to at least know what we're saying no to. And so we said yes to one. And it was great because we learned more about ourselves than ever before. And we learned how the industry makes a movie. And that really taught us how we make a movie. And now we're back as the tiny, as us tiny little family make in a movie called Mother of Flies called Slug. Because we learned how much we love sitting in the forest, the four of us talking about a shot. And that doesn't happen the other way.

10:21And that's why we're making movies. So we're not making movies for money really or even that question you asked about fame. It's more about fun. It was so weird because there is YouTube being YouTube. I know your quirks and your acting styles and like the weight that you carry behind your characters. And that felt the same. But everything else around it just seemed totally different. And it took a hot minute to get used to. But I tell you, when we get to the river at the end, I just wrote, oh my word, we're at the end of the film. I've time had flown. And I was just like, what's going to happen? So yeah, I loved it. Thank you. Well, thank you. That's super nice of you. Thanks for it. Yeah. It was super fun. Hey, my friends were just wonderful. The Serbian crew and the Serbian cast. They were so wonderful to work with. I mean they really made the whole experience incredible. And we also got to work with Todd Masters who made the monster mask his Master's effects. Team made that monster. And so working with like an icon, like Kim was crazy.

11:22I mean, because he was out there helping us along with the RV FX guy Tray Lindsay. So it was like, we are pretty, pretty damn cool to see that monster come up. to see that one straight. I bet it was. I'm sort of glad that you're going to go back to the way it was, but I'm also like, man, where could that go? It's exciting. It's exciting. Yeah, it is exciting. But you know what's cool is we really did. We're editing this movie now and or two movies, actually. And what's nice about them is, as I keep showing Toby, I'm like, look at this. We were able to shoot like one scene. It's going to be two minutes long. We could we would we could shoot. There's too much footage. Do you know what I mean? Because we're having fun. We're learning about it. It's it's it's a it's a great experience. So we're we're excited to be back, back, laugh and together. This episode that this will be on is about rock and music in horror. And a hellbender was such a like, oh, it's back. This sort of thing that I love is back. And

12:26were you a metalhead, a rock fan, a punk, a golf? What was your tribe growing up? Hardcore punks. New York City Hardcore punk, you know, agnostic front chrome eggs. Age of quarrel. Yes, exactly. Age of quarrel. Plus I loved, you know, we were way turned on by, you know, there was some crossover stuff, motorhead. We saw motorhead a lot, um, the exploited were coming over, uh, UK subs. So is that whole kind of like super independent punk early stuff that really changed at least my life? Toby had a different music experience, but my music experience was I saw a band called, well, you know, the band, but I saw a band black flag when I was 15. And everyone in my high school was listening to like journey and are your speedwagon and stuff like that. And I was drifting. I felt lost in like, like music culture and somebody turned me on to a band called the angry Samoans. And then I learned about black flag.

13:26I went and saw them in the city and my whole life changed. I mean, yeah, I mean, just like, completely. I once shook Rollins hand just to say hello just because I'm never going to get this opportunity. And it felt like he broke every bone in my head. He was so tough. I said, hi, so yeah. And he called me sir. And which was nice. Oh my god. That's funny because we talked to him and he's, uh, we went up to talk to him once in Ohio. And he, as we walked up, he said, what the fuck do you want? And I was like, oh, that's great. I'm done. That's all I needed. How about you, Typhe? You know, I listened to a lot of classic rock growing up. Like I was, I was pretty like, I pretty much loved everything but country growing up. I'd give it a shot. But I listened to a lot of squeeze the who I, um, I was, you know, the Beatles, uh, Pink Floyd. I haven't leave it. I'm totally over in the UK right now. But, uh, I have Americans, I guess I loved,

14:31I love to Jimmy Hendrix. Uh, and, and then when I got to college, it was probably more like the Buzzcocks. I loved the Buzzcocks. Um, Nick, Nick cave and bad seed starting around 1988. I was then I like turned hard to toward Nick cave. Nick cave scares me. Yeah, especially that era when he's coming off birthday party. It's just frightening. Yeah. He's a frightening man. But yeah, I get, I can see a lot of that as well. And you mentioned Motorhead. And I, one thing I noticed from Hellbender was the way the mic mic is, that's such a lemmy. Oh, yeah, we, that was definitely like, yeah. And the Rick and Barker. So we definitely were quoted in Lemmy. Okay. Uh, let's, let's talk about it then. The most important thing for me about this film is I want to know what came first. So obviously Hellbender's a band, Hellbender's a film. But was that film already written and then you inserted the band or was it the other way around you

15:32wanted a film to go around the band itself? Yeah, it was the other way around. We, um, you know, me and the girls had had each had bands. I had a band with Lulu called the Hot Roses. And then when Lulu got interested in some other things, she quit the band and Lulu when she saw the, I mean, Zelda when she saw Lulu quit the band said, well, I want to do a band now. And so me and Zelda did a band called Kid California. And that morphed into Hellbender where everybody wanted to be in the band again. We were all just having fun writing songs and we wanted to shoot a video to a new song that we had just written. And from shooting that video, we all got turned on to the look of it. And so it's a video called What Black Sky. And we said, we should do a movie like this. And that's when Hellbender started. So Hellbender definitely came out of the band and out of a video. I love it. Like at the beginning of Hellbender is such a, I don't know, it's for

16:38me. I've seen it so many times. It's almost iconic now. And it's not even that old. Just the way it starts with the, the, I want to say witch burning. It's never, which is never said. So I'll never 100. But let's just say that. And then it goes to that fiery burst. And then all of a sudden in the edit, it gets the title card. And then boom, we're in a practice room. It's so like tingles. Like I want to know, how did that come together in the edit? Was that always the plan to go bang, bang, bang, bang, bang? Or was there other ideas? Well, it's funny because you know, that's our basement. And you know, we were, so it was felt very kind of good. Like we were just down there rocking out in the basement. You know, that's a good question. And I don't know. All we know is we wanted to start it off fun. And we wanted to start it off a little brutal, a little magic, but mostly fun. Because we had made a movie, the movie that we made right before it was a movie

17:42called The Deep You Dig. And we love The Deep You Dig. But it's fucking dark. It is like dark. And there's not a lot of light in it. And so we thought, you know, it would be, it might be fun to have a movie with some fun, even though it's going to be a horror movie and brutal stuff's going to happen. And so the best way to start off a fun movie is with a punk rock band, especially of two checks. You know, it's great. We knew we wanted them to be like them to have this band. Or like we didn't have a full script going into it because we rarely do. We were discovering a lot of it as we went along. But we knew we wanted them to be just like rocking out on this mountaintop. And that it was going to be fun kind of making a movie about these supernatural creatures and human form called Hellbenders. But who are just also like a mom and daughter. You know, like it was just like a really fun idea that you could have something extra human, but very human in other ways.

18:46Like even down to like the mother like sneaking like little toks of maggots, you know, like a mother might sneak away and take a toke or have, you know, and not telling telling her daughter not to, you know, go out and be home by dark. Yeah, it was fun. It was fun for the get go. And is there a ton of like offcuts of this film that's still left for one day for it to come out on a box set of some kind. So we're going to see all these outtakes and things like that. So so funny you say that because Toby just discovered she says that we she was just saying that we we didn't have a script. But in fact, we actually did have a very realized script or a treatment. But what happened was COVID hit. And so once COVID hit, everything disappeared because we had people, we had schools, we had hallways, we had other actors. And when COVID hit, everything got shut down. So we were like, oh my god. So we do have this really fun script that Toby just read to me that that we couldn't do. And actually almost has no resemblance to

19:51what we came up with in the end. So there's some fun stuff from hell better than hit the floor. Yes. Oh, so I can't wait to see it. And yeah, as I say, that beginning bit just rocks my world. So yeah, to to to speak to you about that, that's everything tick now. It's all gravy here from here on in. Okay, this next one was for you, jobs. I want to know how you were playing the the hitchhiker. What were your intentions in that scene? What I good with a evil, how did you play it? Because I just come off from watching the DPU dig with you and you're a bastard in that. Like every time I think, oh, you're going to turn the corner, there's going to be a bit of humanity. Nope, it just goes. I was like, ah, so what was your intentions as this hiker? So wait, are you talking about me in in hellbender in hellbender? Yeah, that's so great. I think you're the first person who's talked to who's talked about that huge switch of characters, right? Right. Yeah. And that's exactly that's it. And you also kind of answered

20:56your own question because that is what I wanted to do. First of all, I didn't want to be in hellbender much. I wanted to film the girls. We wanted to do a story of a mother and daughter. So I did want to get in and get killed fast. And I also just wanted to not be cold and dark and like empty. And so it was fun. The girls directed me. I don't, Toby laughs me when I say this, but I don't feel like I'm a particularly great actor. And so it was fun. They needed to get me through to being like a nice guy. And you know, it was, it was cool. I, you know, I edited myself out quick. John plays a really good asshole. Yeah, I'm good at asshole. I think he's good at everything. Like, I do, I always laugh at him because I'm like, you don't want to think you're a good actor but you're a great actor. But he is so good at being creepy. Like, I mean, he's really good at it.

21:56So it was really fun. And people were so charmed by him in hellbender to see like that kind of puppy dog side. Yeah. And everybody that knows me is like, who was that guy that showed up on hellbender? I'm like, I know, right? Who was that guy? I don't know. Yeah, I just thought, from what I could say on the screen, you're a good guy. You just want to get to the other side of the mountain. You just want to be nice to a stranger that you don't know. But then having known your over the characters, I'm like, you know, also to, you know, what's fun about horror is the only way horror really works is if you balance out love and hate and, you know, beauty and ugliness. And so to have that character get annihilated, this is pretty innocent guy who's quite nice. And kind of obviously only out for the best. He just gets dusted with no fanfare or nothing. You know, and so that was, I like that. We like, we like to try to do that. Sweet. I'm glad to know. Okay. Yeah. So a couple of other things, and this is just for my

23:01entertainment really now, you mentioned that ad libbing on the script and things like that. But some of the things that you go through, I wonder if there was a research put into like, witch towels and the occult, like there is a moment when you're in your door to a sitting down and you're, you're, you're chatting about what creates what different powers. So there's fungi, there's fern, your own blood, that means you can smell blood on the wind and things like that. Now, was that researched or did you just make things up on the cuff like that? Oh, that we just made up. I like to say we just reached into it. The fun, the cool thing is you just have to pretend you're like a five year old kid who can, who can imagine up anything, you know, playing with mud pies. And that's just how I, that's how I think about it. You just have to kind of really reach deep down into your most primitive imaginations. And in that case, there's a logic to all of it. Like the thing about how do you, you can climb trees because you mix

24:04like ivy, which clings to trees and then squirrels can run up trees. They have suction, you know, or like blood on the, on the wind, you know, mushrooms have spores that fly on the wind and the hellbenders are, are self reproducing things. And so everything has like a logic to it. We just had so much fun. And with them coming up with mythologies brings us such joy because it's so fucking hard to be original on films, you know, it really is. So you might as well just go for it and try to be original and coming up with these mythologies is our way of doing that. But we love to, if we love to follow mythologies, we're actually in the Orkney Islands right now, you know, traveling around to all these 5,000 year old sites with stones sticking out of the ground, wondering, you know, pits or, you know, who the hell knows what's going on in these pits. And so fun, your imagination just runs wild. Like, why did they make this huge stone circle in the

25:04middle of these bays? You know, it's great stuff. We love mythology. And Toby reads a ton of mythology and is constantly telling me great myths and things that just seep in like coffee, you know. It's good to be like inspired. I'd love to research. And in this case, I was researching a lot of badass women like Kully of the Destroyer or, um, uh, Lamnia, which is this like serpent, uh, this, um, this, uh, like certain, you know, North African serpent goddess, um, Lilith, of course. Uh, so it's good to get inspired, but then you have to kind of just try to make your own, make your own story. You know, in 20 years time, there's going to be a couple of kids in a forest somewhere, like mixing that stuff, like just like, I've watched it on the hell band up. You see, no, no, that's okay. Okay. Um, I don't want to spoil the ending because I think there may be like a fair few that haven't seen this one. And this is easily, uh, accessible. So we won't spoil the ending,

26:07but I will spoil the final line. Um, and I wonder how important that was to you. So I'm going to town. Do you want anything based strings? Like tell me about that. How do you get to an end of the film and then end it like that? I thought personally perfect. Beautiful. Then we did it for you. Uh, and we did it for us because that is hilarious to us. And, um, we didn't know the ending. We didn't know the ending until actually we shot that, you remember? Uh, we just, we had so many ideas for the endings and we were sitting in the night in an upstate New York. We'd shot everything else. We weren't sure of how to end it. And I don't remember who came up with the line, but as soon as they hit it, it was like, oh, my God. That's, that's it. And it was perfect. It was like, there was no doubt that that was the only way I could end. I can imagine. I don't know whether I don't, I must have been you that came up with it because it calls back to the very beginning

27:09of the movie where she asks the kid, what do you want me to get in town? And, and she says, drumsticks. So it's like, it's everything, you know, it's, it's, it's such a symbolic sentence that we didn't know was coming, but when it hit, it hit. Oh, my God. Paul, let me tell you the original ending from the very, very early treatment was like going to be so outrageous. Like, with these, we were going to like do it serious, special effects. Like, having like their jaws open, like, and dislocate like serpents. There was a little serpents. And it was going to like drop to the floor, you know, Izzie's jaw and literally like, she was going to swallow her mother hole and consumer. And we were like, I don't think that's going to happen this time around. And the she and before she did that, she was going to eat some babies. And so we went to like, yeah, in the dog. So we went to Walmart and we bought all these great looking babies. Anybody wants to make a horror movie about babies? Walmart has the best looking babies for 19 buck. And so we did a couple of see, we did a couple tries at, you know, getting zel and they

28:11sucked so bad. We were like, okay, we have got to come up with something better than this. And then these Walmart babies. Yeah. Well, you did. You did. Yeah. Something great. Way to end it. Okay. So the film comes out and people like me that wouldn't have heard of you before have heard of you now. And it becomes like a real underground hit, which is as a filmmaker, like you guys in your family, that's going to be exciting, right? That finally things are getting some real, real traction now. And what was the buzz like when you started to hear back from festivals and things like that? It was amazing. It was amazing. It was COVID. So it was so weird. It was really bad because it was like, we could feel the fire, but we couldn't sit by it. And that was really weird. And we didn't know whether that was going to have a long term effect like, oh, wow, like it's so funny that this is caught fire. But maybe

29:12we'll never get to sit next to the fire because this whole season of festivals and press and everything is remote and lonely and strange, you know, we couldn't go to the world premiere in Canada. And so it was weird. We didn't know, you know, it's funny. Whenever we make a film, we love the film. But we always kind of feel like, oh, my God, does this suck? I don't know. Or people kind of like make this. And there's something very, I always feel very protective when it comes out because it's like, oh, I love our baby. But like, you don't know a lot of people are going to think your baby's ugly. And, and we didn't know with Elbander. It was so funny. And I think it's funny because I think the first review that we got was searing, right? Didn't we get a searing? The first thing that came out was an incredibly mean, mean, mean review. And so we saw it because it premiered at Fantasia. And what you do with your filmmakers, like if it premieres at a wonderful festival like Fantasia, you can go to Rotten Tomatoes and you'll see the the reviews. I love it. Yeah, I know. And so the first one that hit was just a stunningly

30:19vicious one. And I was like, oh, shit. So yeah, we made a piece of crap. We're going to get fucked on this. And I was painful. But then luckily some some good ones came in and, and our community opened up. I think even more important than than the reviews was this amazing community that we've always been a part of, but maybe weren't in touch with. And suddenly, we were in our community. And that community is still here and growing. And it's a beautiful community, you know, and it's great. It is great. I'd like I feel like it's like when you discover a new band when for your for your family, I don't know why it is, but it feels like that. You get excited. You can't wait for the next thing that comes out to find indie filmmakers like yourself that I'm genuinely excited about. Like, what are they going to do next? That's that's that's what you want, right? I love it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. As you see, you pay attention so well. I

31:24mean, you're like obviously listening and paying attention. People don't often mention things you've already mentioned, like, like how the more, which is only mentioned once. And that's more just like the throw a bone to like the ranger, you know, when she's talking to the ranger. You're just noticing things that a lot of people don't notice. And that's so great to think that someone's really paying attention to what you've created. So thank you. Okay, final question. Um, the band hellbender going forward. What's happening? And is there going to be like a UK tour? Have you thought about this sort of stuff? We think about, you know, it's funny. We've been offered some great slots, you know, but the fact is that Zelda and Lulu are Lulu's in Edinburgh. Zelda was in New York. Now she's in France. We're in the Orkney Islands. It's like, so what we do is we we actually have a ton of new songs coming out that we all recorded over the last six months

32:25that we're really excited about. But it's hard to do the live thing because we are so spread out. That that part's really difficult. But I feel like that's okay. You know, I think that that's okay. And I think that the people that like hellbender the band kind of start to realize that. And so where our communications are more online with people. And we really have a really nice following of people that that like what we're doing. And and John's writing some really killer music. The lately stuff that hasn't been heard, you know, yeah, he's got some great stuff in the mix. And there's and this new film, Mother of Flies, he's going to have a different sound from our other films. But you know what's nice is we the people that seem to like hellbender. The spread of who they are is vast. It's like it's young it's everywhere from young girls to 75 year old men. And it's really interesting, you know, and and fun. Because I don't think hellbender

33:28necessarily has I don't think you can, you know, compartmentalize it so much. And that's something that we like about. This has been awesome. I've exhausted everything that I want to know. Like I feel like I've had my own commentary on a box set already. This is fantastic. So thank you so much for coming on guys. Can I ask you a question real fast? Of course. Okay, it's two part question. First of all, what did you listen when you to when you were 16? Okay, it was two things like I was born and raised in Australia and kiss the bad kiss came over in 1980. And it would just blew my little tiny mind and I've been a kiss fan ever since. But black flag, yeah, dead Kennedys, all that sort of stuff when I discovered punk. And there was there was no stopping me. So yeah, that's where I'm. That's awesome. You know, you got to also give credit to AC DC. They're not really credited with

34:29being the original punk. But boy, Barn Scott, that guy was a pretty bad ass punk. You know it, right? Yeah. So like to hear you say that. And also told me to hear like the classic rock stuff. That's that's me all over. I love so much of it. But like I don't know when it mixes with film, it gets me excited. And right, I can just imagine in the cinema, when you're watching this film with other people and you've got I, oh God, are they going to like the film and B? Oh God, are they going to like the music? You know, it's double. It's like double stress. Love it. Yep, it's good. You're a super nice to bring a sign today. This was a hell of a lot of fun. And I like your tattoo. Now, where can you find this? Well, Shada. Shada's all the way here. Shada, Shada, Shada. Did I mention it? Shada, because you couldn't find it at Shada. There's also this

35:33fantastic showing of it on Joe Bob Briggs last drive in as well. Can I recommend that to you again? If I can, I will. Right. Shada, that's for podcasts. Well, I've set up one till it's a two to night, actually. It's called Night of the Horror Moor. Hang on, that's not what it's called. It's called Night of the Horror File. That's it. That was an easy word. I've done it while I got that wrong. Night of the Horror File. Yeah, it's a podcast. Their episode for Hellbender came out in June 2022. It's about 90 minutes long. And that is once again, the inclusion of a new film that simply took my breath away in this horror rock hybrid. Thanks, I have to go out to the Adam's family for coming on to chat about their film. They were good sports. I for one cannot wait to see what is up with them next.