Guy & Maia - FULL SHOW (07/09/2026)

0:00Celebrate Fathers Day with sensational savings on big brand fragrances. Like Adaro forever wanted absolute 100 mil per film now 169.99.75. Or Emporio Marni stronger with you 100 mil EDP only 149.99.76. Gimmest Warehouse, the Real House of Frequences. The All Blacks at Line Out Time. It's the way they galgate La Coy. Want to start East by the support more wrapping around the corner. Charging inside the five. Sabia's in. The All Black Strike first in the window. Oh, oh, please,

1:01you're what about the belief of hope? Yeah, that's what I want to mess with. Believing that things can get better. That I can get better. That we will get better. Oh, man. To believe in yourself. To believe in one another. Man, that's that's fundamental to being alive. The world is in. Guys down the short side. Little kicker comes through from Jordan chasing his little boy, Kani with his pace. What a ball that is. Well, Jordan. He scored 20 for the All Blacks in his career. Perhaps not so important than that one tonight. Oh, no, please, God, tell me what you're doing. We've got nowhere to run.

2:01They've got a lot. Listen, you muck it. When I say move on, I'm not saying keep talking about something. You move on. It's my show as well. I can keep talking. Don't keep talking. Please, God, tell me what you're doing. Don't keep talking. Don't keep talking. My rival. My friend is Wrigert. Stiffing. Beautiful footwork from Justin McGregor. My rival. My rival. My rival. My rival. My rival. My rival. That is sensational play from the Blackbirds. a good afternoon to you. Welcome into Melzie and Guy for another week. Melzie not here though still. Has Edinburgh Castle Rockers are absolutely humming? They're unbeation. It's unbelievable stuff. So Melzie has decided not not coming back just yet. I've got to stay over there and continue this

3:07winning run in the Edinburgh. What is it? The European T20 Premier League. I think it's called. So good on Melzie. We might be able to get him at some point this week but we'll update you on that. Anyway, my Wilson alongside me for the next three hours. The All Blacks. You're on talking about the All Blacks to one down in the series. Well, to me the series is over. It was all the South African games that mattered. So to me they lose the series to one year. I'll still be interested by the Baltimore result. But I think South Africa are better than the All Blacks at the moment. We'll chat to Alama Eda Meeh, a former All Black about exactly that and where he sees this All Blacks team at. They've made a lot of improvement, I think, in a matter of months. But can they make enough improvement in another 12 or so months to be beating South Africa in a World Cup? We'll talk to Alama Eda Meeh about that after five o'clock. Gary Freeman is with us after four. He's keen to chat the NRL playoffs. The Warriors, of course, take on the dolphins this weekend off the back of a tight win over Manley but still a win nonetheless finished second on the

4:08latter. What does Gary Freeman make of them heading towards the playoffs? What does he make of the playoffs as a whole and will just get us these thoughts on the NRL season to date as well? We'll play a game of guess who a little bit later on will chat some odds with Paul Mauarte and agenda very shortly and as always your texts on double eight double three are encouraged by them through from the word go. Melzy and Guy on Sport Nation, Maya Wilson and for Melzy today. Thanks to Kogan Mobile. Get awesome pre-pay plan bargains at Kogan Mobile. Kogan Mobile, good call. Let's get some headlines with RAV. Sports news update brought to you by night and day. Grab a $3 donut this September at night and day. All Blacks assistant coach Neil Barnes says there are wounded side following defeat but insists they're down but not out. The All Blacks have released a half dozen players on top of their injured trio from Sunday's third test defeat to the spring box. Returning to New Zealand immediately to either be assessed for injury or to slip into NPC duties. That leaves a squad of 36 heading to the US for the fourth and final test against the South Africans in Baltimore on Sunday. Barnes

5:09though is adamant the All Blacks don't need to change their game plan and he believes they have a winning strategy if they can be better with their execution. The fourth and final test kickoff from Baltimore on at 9 a.m. on Sunday and a big sigh of relief for Warriors fans as the club prepares for round one NRL playoff game this Saturday against the dolphins at Go Media Stadium. It was previously suggested that because of Eden Park's bigger capacity with the ability to hold nearly double the number of fans they may decide to move the Warriors there. The Warriors are guaranteed two home games in the playoffs. If they lose to the dolphins their next game will be the following week. If they win then their next game will be in a fortnight. A decision on where the second game will be played as unlikely to be made by the NRL until they've played the dolphins with Eden Park still very much a possibility. Sports news updates brought to you by night and day grab a $3 don't up this September at night and day. Thank you, Ravruvinda, who near alongside Fin Balls, Fin James and the producers Booth and Maya Wilson here with me. Hello, hello, we're a bit de Lulu today, but isn't that feel good team?

6:12You are on a Farah Stay waka. We are one of the great. In the office, we're one of the great New Zealand broadcasting moments that the New Zealand pop culture moment and surely in the last like 20 years. You don't know what we're talking about. You're living under a rock but go to YouTube and search Father's Day Sunday and it will come up and you will enjoy the next 90 seconds of your life. I think we're just going to keep reliving it in the back of my head on on repeat. Probably. How was your sporting weekend? What did you enjoy? What did you not enjoy? I was excited. I went to the round 27 of the Warriors when they took on Manly, not a game that I would say was quite entertaining as a Warriors supporter and we'll probably go deeper dive into this later on in the agenda, but I think there are potential question marks on our defense. But all in all, I'm not going to take according to Josh from the West Coast. Three hours of Maya saying, I told you so about the box. I'm not going to say that, but what I will say is I'm not wearing a

7:12spring box, Jersey thing, thanks to one guy I have out today. I think you should be anyway. You think I should be? Curried. Because we were having chats, weren't we, about I'm very not patriotic in your eye. Exactly. I feel like I'm a realist. Now look, it's okay. You were right, Daniel McCarty thought the box would win as well and for, I mean, we'll talk about it a little bit more in the agenda, but for 55 minutes of that game, I was pretty confident. I thought the all blacks were playing very well. I thought it was an excellent first half. At half time, I actually thought this is one of the best games rugby I've seen for a long time, probably since that 2023 quarter final against Ireland. I was just enjoying it so much. Great game, rugby. And it still was a decent game, rugby in the second half, but I don't know what happened from 55 minutes on. The all blacks just fell apart. Really, the scrum obviously got dominated. Their forwards were excellent. There were a couple of calls and I don't want to blame the ref because I think the all blacks lost it themselves and the spring box won it. But there were a couple of calls for me that were very head scratching.

8:15Everyone's spoken about the Rubin Love one. He was just not on side, not off side. And the referee, Nick Amish Kelly, had his back two Rubin love. So clearly got a call I would assume from one of the ARs. And he just wasn't off side. It was just an appalling decision. And then you're down to 10 men just before half time, sorry, down to 14 men for 10 minutes just before half time. And then the other one, and someone just texted in just before our show to Jacob and Daniel. Sasha Feinberg in Gommazulu should have had a sick and yellow card when he blatantly used his hands in that rack after he'd already had one for knocking the ball down. The all blacks did score. So that's probably why he didn't get the yellow card. But it was such a blatant professional foul that I thought that should have been a sick and yellow. He then would have got a red. And potentially the game is very different. But as I say, it was not the rest fault. I thought the all blacks, the Scrum, and we'll talk more about this in the Adena as well. But that Scrum is the

9:16issue for me now over the next 12 months. Before the World Cup, they have to fix that. I do do think maybe we'll deep dive into that later on. But as a spectator myself, I don't know there's much that they can do within a training ground now to adjust that. I feel like the is the Scrum such an issue when they've been happening every single test. And for me, I don't think that's good enough. And it's not good enough because it's the repeated patterns we can week out. And there hasn't been too much adjustment. Fair enough, Springboks have been very good in that asset. But if we just change that Scrum and set piece, it's a very, very different game. Yes, I think that Scrum is the best in the world by some distance. I think they have the best Scrum in World Rugby. And it's really not close. And the all black Scrum would be, I don't know, to me, it wouldn't be in the top three. That's how much of a struggle it feels to me right now. We spoke about it after last week's test. And I had when back and watched

10:20the number of Scrums where the all blacks were on the back foot, I haven't done this, done that this time, but it does feel like a number of times, even when it was the all blacks ball. Again, they had back foot ball and they kind of had to play a little bit of catch up and a little bit of panic sort of rugby to get themselves back on the front foot, which is not what you want to be doing. And in all honesty, I still feel like not that the all blacks attacking line wasn't trying to dictate. However, I just think the Scrum box defensive line, especially those wingers, were coming up quick, manly. And they were, when the all blacks were trying to start spreading the ball, you already have the next three spring box, pretty much in the line of the ball. And that's hard to attack on. Yeah, exactly right. Look, they're a very good side. They deserve to be number one. And I still think there's a little bit of ground for the all blacks to make up, but we'll talk more about it in the agenda. I'm still very positive around where this all blacks

11:20is heading. One thing I will say, Melzie's multi. If you weren't around Melzie's multi, you should have been. He was all over it. Look, he might be, he might be working hard with the Edinburgh Castle Rockers who are on their own little winning streak, but Melzie himself had well written to win the Prussia plate. And she did that brilliantly and remains unbeaten and heads towards Sydney in the in the Epsom very, very strongly. Then he had the all blacks to get within 10, which obviously needed that try late in the piece, but for a large part of that game looked to look to very, very good bit. And then you needed over 42 and a half points in the Warriors game. And that was about as easy as they come. So Melzie, I think it was five dollars was the odds as well. So if you got a piece of that, you'd be happy on Monday. He really is winning an every aspect, doesn't it, Melzie? So I wonder if he has Melzie's multi is going to be as successful when he comes home. Surprise, I didn't receive a message from old Melzie about that day. Were you anticipating you would? Well, not myself, but just one of us about Melzie's multi. I think Melzie's just the type of guy doesn't crow about, you know, doesn't get high on his wins, doesn't get low on his losses. He just tries to continue to make

12:24the punters a dollar. If the Castle Rock is here, be updating his spreadsheet. Don't worry. Oh, yeah. Mate, as soon as the the Warriors game was done, he would have updated it for sure. But if the Castle Rock has left the trophy at the European T20 Premier League and he comes back, he's going to be so smug, so smug. He, in fairness to him and you would have seen it as well. And he puts so much work into that Castle Rock at the 300. He was up to three, four A.M. some mornings, you know, making calls, talking to people in India, talking to people in Europe. He put a bloody ton of work into it. So I'm very glad for him that it is going well. And the only game that they haven't won was when it was rained out. I don't think they'd have a ball. Certainly washed out anyway. So they're absolutely flying. He's done a bloody good job, my mate. He might want to just put his feet up by the time he comes home and does a show and it might just be like, oh, you know what, you just hold down the fort. Why, he had been doing since I've been away and he'll just try and come and look pretty. He is trying to make it work from, I think he's going to be an Amsterdam, did he say, from Wednesday?

13:26Yeah. He's going to try and get his phone to connect so he can do the show with us. But Melzie in technology, considering the conversation we had about revolution wise and all those credit card type things that he was trying to get, considering that conversation that we had, I'm not holding my breath about him being able to get his phone to work to host a show from the other side of the world. It wouldn't happen if Dai was there with him. Dai would sort him. Dai would sort him out, but someone's good to look after the kids. Someone does have to look after the kids. Often, Melzie comes to me with some of his technological problems here at the old entertain office, doesn't he? Little master. He does. The Wi-Fi password every day. That's definitely a biggie. Hey, Missing Nett. That's valid. No, because whenever we have, like, Miss James or John Fawke, and they ask for the same thing, so I just get that little, Melzie still has somewhere. 14 after three, Melzie and Dai on Sport Nation Maya, Wilson in for Melzie today. We will take a quick break. We do this show. Thanks to the great team of Kogan Mobile. I live from the studio. Get a Kogan Mobile, 15 gig. Monthly prepay plan for just $25 a month,

14:29Kogan.com. Click and awesome. Keep your texts coming through to double-eight, double-three, about the Rugby, the Warriors, anything you want to talk about from the weekend. Well, written if you're a racing fan as well. Love to hear anything around that, but we will come back and get stuck into it in gender and a few of your texts as well on double-eight, double-three. Maybe we could last forever. Just got 19 after three, Melzie and Dai on Sport Nation. We'll get to a couple of your texts and then into an agenda. Why wasn't the A-Bs given a yellow card when the ref gave a penalty try? That from Tim. I don't know the answer to that Tim. I would imagine because it was a scrum, maybe decipher who was the sole person in the All Black Scrum who was that fault. That would be one of my guesses. The other would be that he gave the penalty try. So maybe he thought that there was enough penalty for the All Blacks to suffer. Those would be my two guesses as to why he didn't

15:29get one. He also didn't give a penalty try when Feynberg in Gondzulu was Sinben in the first half when Peter Larki looked to have a pretty clear line straight to the tri-line. Didn't give a penalty try there but rather just went to the pocket. So I do wonder if it was one or the other, but I don't know the exact answer to that question. A little master are you saying, if not I am that Jason Ryan is the issue. Our scrum was rubbish under Scott Robertson and is still is no improvement under Rene and there's one common denominator. Yeah, I see what you're saying there. I'm not an expert at the dark arts of the scrum. Tell you that much, but one thing that I would say around that is that they went through a pretty massive review into the All Blacks under Scott Robertson. They got rid of a lot of people who were around that regime, the word that Millsie likes to use and he was the only one that survived. So to me that's his something about what they think of him. He is the scrum coach though. So yeah, a lot of it falls at his

16:34feet. Absolutely. Do we have the cattle compared to South Africa in terms of the scrum that have been other question I'd be asking. They are enormous human beings. I know the pack weight, I think it even says that the All Blacks have the heavier pack weight, which I... No, I don't know. Or a copy that. I mean it's like 30 kgs. There are a lot of more sea fronts. It's... Must maybe that was for the second test or when they didn't have Malcolm Marks, Oxen Shea and those guys starting. At one stage our pack was... The All Blacks pack was at least on par. But point being, I thought they would be enormously heavier. They had just such huge human beings. And is that the difference that their front row in particular aren't as mobile getting around the field versus ours, but when it comes to the scrum they're just outmatched. And I believe even if we had a lighter pack, I still think we might be in the same predicament that we are right now. Very much so. I think they absolutely would be 21.5. After three, let's get more into it into the agenda. The agenda.

17:40A gender one. Just staying on the The All Blacks game team. Just defining moments in the game for you that sort of lost it for us. I thought like you said, guy, first half of rugby was bloody entertaining. I mean, 3.30am, 3.45am, I was pretty up and about for that time in the morning after a game of rugby. But it seemed like something switched in that second half where the box just became a little bit more clinical and just had that upper hand, I think, on the All Blacks. Was there anything in particular that stood out to you that might have made that switch obvious to you? I briefly talked about it in the state of play around how I felt the spring box defensive line were just rushing quite quickly in particular out wide. And so as we're trying to do this running, playing the ball rugby, we're struggling to find out out of edges at times and our set piece isn't tight enough on that. So I would say we were doing phase after phase and not really getting much territory. And then in the end, I felt like we were either getting absolutely demolished

18:46by that spring box defense or we were having the unforet, well, forced errors. Just suffocated. Just suff, absolutely suffocated. There were two moments for me that stand out. Leroy Carter missing the tackle on GC Creole in the second half, one on one tackle that he should be making 100 times out of 100 really, at least not letting him through like he did. And he knew straight away. He was so gutted. And I'm not saying there was the effort wasn't there. He just didn't go low enough. It was a poor attempt. It was a poor tackle. And he'd be the first to put his hand up. I think he missed one of the first half as well. So defensively, I think those two moments were big. And then there was another moment that I didn't actually think was his fault because I thought it was the right decision to make. And that was Will Jordan's kickdown field. Must have been around that 50 or 60 minute mark or when it were it was. And it just got a pretty unlucky bounce, bounced forward when dead in goal. Box get the scrum about 35 out or so.

19:51Then from that scrum as a penalty, they kick to touch. And then there's that rolling mall which goes for 25, 30 minutes off. And that just changes the game like that. So it was those moments that really stood out for me. One was unlucky from Will Jordan. That mall was again very average defense from the all blacks. And Lee Ricardo's Miss tackle on GC Krull with the moments for me when I was sitting at home watching it very early on Sunday morning going, shit, this one might be getting away from us. Yeah, it just felt like they something switched day. Like it was pretty even, you'd say, through 55 minutes. And then it just felt like this box just got a second win, almost, which is interesting because I feel like we've always talked about the all blacks putting away teams in that last like 15, 10 to 15 minutes. And I feel like in the first test we had that second and third, I feel like we sort of were out of breath. I guess like the box were just pushing down on us like constantly suffocating us. And yeah, I mean, I love, Arty doesn't go down with that shoulder entry as well. I think that must be, that would be a big, a big change. I think just having a bit more experience on the park and maybe some of the

20:56bit more of a level head meet not making bad decisions. Like I don't want to say this was a bad decision, but Kyle Preston taking that quick tap. Yep. I think, I think if we kick to the corner, we might go under there as well. But like that's one decision out of an 80 minute game. It's hard to pinpoint them. They did that a few times. Cameroy God did that a few times quick taps. And I started to wonder that that must be something that they had pinpointed in the in the build up to it that try and keep the box on the back foot, particularly at Altsatured. That's where I have, I don't know, they haven't asked, haven't had a chance to ask anyone from the all blacks. But I wonder if that was a game plan that if they got taps in certain positions of the park or certain areas of the park, when they felt like the box weren't back 10, they did always take, well that they often took the quick tap. And I do wonder if that was part of the plan, but I completely agree with you. I thought at that stage, that was a wrong decision. And re-arty, I thought arty was having his best test match for a long time. Agreed. Not just the two tries, two tries helped obviously, but I thought around the park he was everywhere. And that was the best

21:58I'd seen on playing a black jersey this year, I'd say. And I thought there was a big moment when he got injured. And just on that massive losing that experience and that leadership. But I thought Wallace Cedeti came on and did a really solid job. There's a lot of talk around, he's been quite inconsistent in the black jersey. How was he going to front up? He hasn't necessarily played against the spring box yet. But I actually thought he came on and he did his job. He wasn't anything flashy, but we did lose that leadership and that experience that arty just zooped. And then I feel like everyone else ends up being influenced by that and getting on that wicker. Someone just Cedeti come and getting involved in everything. Cedeti, a big example. Also Ruben Love off the T was not the greatest, but he needs experience and that's what he's there for. Agenda too. Warriors team. They got there the game this weekend against the dolphins, but something I noticed, I feel like in the last three games. Defense has been a little bit of an issue. This could come down to injuries and the team being a bit mismatched out in the back line, but 88 points leaked in the

23:04last three games, which is a bit unwary as like I think this season. So is there any call for concern heading into this weekend's massive gaming as the dolphins, you think? I always, I've always believed that I think our wingers in particular are poor defenders. Like Dallin, Alofiana is a little bit better in my personal opinion, but we're not going to get Dallin back and the likes of Sharns is a player who is so amazing, but he has to be utility and he's needed sort everywhere and I don't think the wing is where he needs to be. He has our best fallback that we have. However, Turo Picki on attack over the weekend had probably one of the most amazing games that I've ever seen him on his career, but on the defensive side of it his stature is a lot smaller and he has been tending to slip a few holes and missing a few tackles. So I don't want to say it's due to just an experience because you've had so one time, not this week, but last week you had

24:07majority of that 13 people on the field were under 23, but that's wild. Is an experience? Can you, I don't want to use that as a cop out, but is that involved with some of this laps in judgment, not having Wade Egan there? Probably again, was another whole? I don't know, what do you think about it guy? It doesn't worry me. It's good. It actually doesn't worry me. The reason for that is because those last two games were games where, well certainly the one just been, possibly even the one before that, that they were pretty much assured of their top two finish. And so they've had rested a couple of players there, a few injuries as well. So I kind of sit there and I go, they weren't at their full strength. Yeah, the minor premiership was probably something that they wanted to win and they were playing for, but they're a much bigger fish to fry. And I just think at times maybe they were potentially looking ahead to the next, to this weekend against the dolphins in the first round of the playoffs. And I think if they are to win this game, I don't think anyone will

25:11care how the defence has gone in the last couple of weeks. Yeah, they've leaked a couple and they were a couple of soft tries there, but ball in hand, they look excellent as good as they have looked all season. And there's just a couple of things, minor things I think they are that they have to tighten up. So it doesn't worry me. I think the warriors will be fine when they're rised of the occasion against a team like the dolphins in games that matter. Yeah, fair enough. I think yeah, then mismatch backline probably is causing a lot of issues with that defensive. It'll be interesting to see who starts on that wing as well and where chance goes. As he going into centre, Leica should be back. So I feel like he'll go into centre. Then who goes on the wing as Pompey there is Tauo Pikky still starting at fullback after the attacking game he had last week. So tomorrow is going to be very interesting when it comes to Team Lush Tuesday on how the warriors end up setting out their playing side. Definitely. Agenda three. Just finally, Crystal Ball mode here team. Rugby World Cup 12, 14 months away. We're talking to Guy about this earlier. We've seen the old Blacks play how many what, five,

26:14six tests this year, three obviously against the number one team in the world. How are you feeling and what do you think could happen in 12 to 14 months time when the Rugby World Cup is all go? I'm just going to read you a camp. I'm actually disappointed in myself that I'm giving this year time, but I'm going to read you a text from Paul on double eight double three who says good afternoon, you clowns said the all blacks would win the series and Rene lives in Rassie's head. Was that based on beating a French D team wins against three African club sides in a first test win, which was a warm up for the box. Was it based on nothing but typical cocky arrogance from an all blacks fan yours truly and then he says razor, PS house, the trajectory. Paul, you don't watch rugby. I know that because all you ever talk about is league and when you text and about rugby, it's just blatantly obvious you haven't watched the game. If you have watched any all blacks games they have started this year, you would have seen the improvements in the way that they're playing

27:17in the style that they have in the way that this coaching group wants them to be playing. They have just gone to South Africa, one of the hardest places to play rugby in the world, probably the hardest place to play rugby in the world and lost a series over the year through one, the second test by seven points and the third test by five points. It is not a couple of losses to sit here and get enormously consumed about. Dave Rene's had this team for what four months. I don't even think it's been a total of four months, a max of four months. He's got another 12 to 14 months to continue to work on what he has worked on, to continue to build the areas where they are struggling at the moment and as we say, Scrum is definitely one of them and they need to fix that dramatically. But overall, this is a much better all black side than they were 12 months ago and if you can't see that, then I can't help you. I actually agree with that. I do think they are on a way better side than

28:19they have been prior to this leadership. But the only thing I'm going to add in here, too, is we had a conversation prior to test, maybe test to wish and I was saying, is it okay for us to lose this series? If it means we get more players gain experience, more players are knowing what it's like to play against a South African top side, if it means that we win a World Cup from this. And I remember you said to me, go, no, we have to win this series. This is it. It doesn't matter about a rugby world cup. That is 12 months, 14 months down the track. But I genuinely believe if we can look bigger picture, this whole experience and this whole tour will make our all black side for the rugby world cup 10 times better. There's no better preparation than doing this greatest rivalry tour 12 months out from a rugby world cup. Completely agree and don't get me wrong. I wanted the all black to win that series and it would have been outstanding for the all black to win that series

29:22and on Sunday morning I didn't really get back to sleep after the game because I was just gutted. But if you can't see how far this team has come in four months, then I can't help you. Like, seriously, I think there have been massive improvements in the way that they're playing and the way that they want to play. And Melzie keeps saying it. They've got their kind of got their mojo back, which did go missing. And I like Razer, but it did go missing over the last couple of years. And I think it's just an all black sprang rugby that we like seeing. And I think in 12 months time, it'll be considerably better than where it already is. And I think this, you might think I'm absolutely delusional saying this, but what does South African Springboks have given us is a gift. They have exposed us in every area that we potentially didn't know how maybe underdeveloped or how much it needs to be worked with. We now have the time to go back on that. Rather be exposed now, then be exposed in a quarter final at a rugby world cup. Someone else says Paul is right, you fanboys are desperate to be validated for supporting Rene but slated Razer from the get-go.

30:26I definitely didn't. Rene isn't what you think he is. He's too soft with the players and you're seeing it looking disjointed. Rene has had them full time on tour for weeks now and they're still looking scrappy. You pundits need to admit when you're all that is harsh. I think about not saying Razer was a bad all black scotch, but it's definitely not one of our greatest. If you think about when the box came to New Zealand last year and got that great win a need in park, we've got absolutely pants in Wellington. We're in South Africa in the Republic. We have a great win in the first games in Johannesburg, yes. Sure, we only lost two other games but they were close losses. We didn't get pants like we did in Wellington, great win against Eden Park and then literally a record loss against the box in the game in the week after whatever it was. That hasn't happened. So yeah. Opinions, everyone's valid to them. Keep them coming through. Sometimes I definitely don't agree with you, but that is a okay. We'll take a quick break. Keep your thoughts coming through on the Tex machine. We'll come back shortly and chat some odds with Paul Milate from the

31:29TAB. Melzie and Guy on Sport Nation. Maya Wilson. Wilson from Melzie today. Thanks to the team at Coganmobilecogan.com. Click and awesome. Bet live on your favourite sports download the TAB. Today Paul Milate with us from the TAB. G'day mate. I want to start Saturday in a bit of racing if I can. How pumped did the TAB? You get thanks to a certain mayor who started her four-year-old campaign in beautiful style. By the name of Wellrissen. The book is looking back on that one I think right now. They had a pre-noms futures market where they had Wellritten priced at around $2.30. I think she was well backed in that one and then they brought out the All-In futures market where she opened up at $2.20 and closed at around $1.70 from memory and then of course the final film

32:32win market on Saturday where I didn't even see what she got in. She looked like she was going to be getting into around $1.50 at one stage but she was well found by the market. The punters loved her. She was in a whole heap of sane race multis where they had Wellritten to finish first. Alabama last to finish in the top three and then they would have like a whole heap of other runners finishing in the top seven eight or nine. So yeah they were quite a few same race multis that had Wellritten to win and then a whole lot of horses in behind and those punters were how yeah they got the chocolates. Paulie, my hair might have been a bit tighter in the NRW in particular with our Warriors and Manly game. How did the bookies see it? They were quite happy with the tightness of that result. Of course a Harris-Savita field goal with about two and a half minutes to go was the difference between the two teams. One area where punters did collect the total points in the

33:36game. I think we'll set it around 49 and a half. Well they surpass that with ease in the end. So those punters who took over 49 and a half and that final regular season game for the one you've seen on Warriors got a wee bit of money and there were a few same game multis that also collected with plenty of tris score is dotting down. That's usually the rule of thumb. Usually when there's a whole heap of tris score same goal, same game multis go through the roof and that was pretty much the case on the weekend. How many people got around Melsey's multi because it felt like it was a great throw at the stumps from the big man. Can you just remind me what leads he had in that moment? He had well-written, he had over I think I was 42 and a half points in the Warriors game and he had the all blacks plus ten and a half. And it came out of five bucks. Your burgers were generous. I don't know what Crystal Ball he's got at home these days but yeah his sensational

34:40by our good friend Melsey that was yeah I'm sure. So rugby league and thoroughbred racing. He's just he's an expert on every single one I do like that. I will keep an eye on his multivis coming weekend. I'm sure he'll have the all blacks in there somewhere as they head over to Baltimore for that final test against the spring box. Well what are the odds for that? I think the spring box are $1.65 the all blacks are out at $2.20 which means the spring box a two and a half point favorites in that game which sounds about right that being fairly close in all three tests in South Africa. If you take that home field advantage away, think they're about six and a half point favorites when they closed in that third test. You take that four point home advantage away then they become two and a half point favorites that that looks about where it should be. We have been taking money on the all blacks punters just can't resist the fact that

35:43the all blacks are underdogs and they've taken them in all three tests. Well they've got their money in the first but the book has got some back in the other two. Just lastly mate before we let you go NFL season starts on Thursday. I know you'll be fired up about that so perhaps give us the Super Bowl winning market at the start of the season and who is favorite to take out the whole thing and come seasons in. Yeah we go. Pretty warm favorite to be fair. The LA Rams are at $6 and they are the only team in single digits in that Super Bowl winner market. Just having a look at we bit fair. Oh Josh Allen in the Buffalo bills. They're on the second line of betting at $11. The Seattle Seahawks are at $12 alongside the Baltimore Ravens. If you like your other sort of futures markets you can vote on who the regular season MVP will be. Josh Allen the favorite there at $6.50. In fact the first 12 13 14 players in that MVP market they look like quarterbacks

36:51to me. No surprises there. I think the first non quarterback would be the Detroit running back Jameh Gubs at around $81 to be the MVP but Josh Allen the favorite at $6.50. Joe Barrow the Bengales quarterback at $10 and Lamar Jackson. He's at 11. Good stuff mate. All right we'll talk to you again on Wednesday. Much appreciated. Paul Marlotte there from the TAB watching bet live on your favorite sports and racing at tab.co.nz. Please bet responsibly R18. We'll take a quick break nearly 14 away from four. Gary Freeman with us after four o'clock to chat the rugby league the NRL playoffs and we'll get to a few more of your texts as well very very shortly. Millsian Guy, Maya Wilson and Femilsie today. Take sport nation with you wherever you go. Listen live on the sport nation app online at sportnation.nz or stream us on ihard radio and rover and catch every interview every show on

37:53demand wherever you get your podcasts. A few texts on double eight double three we have three games against spring box to work out how to beat them before the World Cup quarter final if we can't and it's four more years correct. 12 line breaks to five is glaring given we didn't score more send our props on sabbatical to France and learn the dark arts. Clock is ticking. You don't know will have enough time to be able to do that before the World Cup but there has certainly been some benefit in having not France but Jordy and Rico Yawana get to Ireland and have a bit of time over the years so it could be something that they start to look at. Maya has nailed it spot on bigger picture a lot learned from these three games. Well said Maya. I'll take that most. Just on the talked about the likes of Rico Yawane. Do you think that we could see him feature? Could he be a part of some of the changes that we're seeing test four. Well you still have Antonin at Brown in there but I just feel like attacking presence is a little bit more. Well, Kunchipa is injured so

38:53they're going to have to make a change in the midfield anyway. He's got an MC they're thinking it's an MCL injury so it could be serious which is. No MCL is not as bad as I see. I can still know it still requires surgery if it's torn or partially torn which could require which could be up to it. What depends I saw actually speaking of knees is super off topic I saw fill out fuck a target I don't even have ACLs in his knee and he still runs around so that's very buzzy but going back to your point Maya. I reckon Rico definitely features this weekend like almost 100% certainty. I think he's been too good not to not to play and given a test in this tour. And do you think we see another change in the locks? Like I wish Fabian Holland started in that game I think he didn't bring much impact off the bench. No hence why I think he needs to start. Yeah, but then do you then do you give exposure and experience to someone else it's test four? Yeah, it's still a test against the spring box. Yeah, it's not a right off. Still think it's a big game. Ken says we need a change. I'd like to see Preston Mourner

39:54and Rico at 13 who should have played their all long boat in 15, not a what 11, Neil DeGroote, Vi, it's six, Black Outer and Lucca. She has been making a lot of changes. Making a lot of changes. I think that Ruben Love has played well, missed some crucial kicks on Sunday morning. I do wonder. No, it might be I don't know. I'm torn whether to whether it's harsh to drop Ruben Love after one. He wasn't even poor. He just had a slightly off game and particularly with the boat from from the tee or whether this is a chance to give Richie Mourner a start. He has played through tests. So you mean workload wise? Yeah, workload wise. He has played through tests. We need to see who the next in line Richie Mourner, obviously Bodie could go there. He's still in the in the shapes. He could go back into fullback. But I think this is the time that what happens if Ruben Love goes down? What happens if we don't have a richie? Well that's the thing.

40:55That's what this time is. Yeah. Right, very quickly. Maybe we should wrap up around the grounds. We'll get to a few more of your texts shortly. Of course you'd want to do this guy. He's absolutely what all over Maya. I'd rather keep doing the text, but you're in Maya going, let's do around the ground. Well, some people like to know we'll go very quickly. Guide did win eight four. Surprisingly, Maya went to South Africa, had to head. She did get the chocolates there. Both pick the warriors. Neither of you had your tri-scoreers come and guy you pick Sam Healy. You had Jacob Laban. You had Hawks Bay, both of you to win. Maya had Hawks Bay by seven, which was a bigger deficit to guy who was Hawks Bay by four. I think they won by 11 in the end. You both had Canberry. Counties did get the win. 65 total points was closer for that for guy. North Harbour got the one over the tunnies. Unfortunately, Maya. The dragons beat the eels. What a game that was. The Panthers did win as well over the Tigers. Maya had the Tigers winning.

41:56Jolong won on the AFL guy, which was a good pick by you. In Tems Valley, one in the heartland, a game over the Wyatt upper bush. So a guy eight four, total score 15 eight. He just put Juju on this scene. I'm going to play Melsey in his bad boy Juju. And I put the Tigers there, all the Tigers, because I thought that would be better for the warriors. But I'm not mad that we're playing the dolphins. So I will just take the owl on the chest. I understand that the roosters don't have Sam Walker, but I think they have more of a spine to get them through. So I actually think the game of the round is going to be the Knights first, top of my head, I've read it. Rabbit-ish. Rabbit-ish. The Bunnies, that's going to be a good game. And then Penra should take it out against the roosters. Well, we'll talk to Gary Freeman about that. He has thoughts very, very shortly here on Melsey and Guy, Maya Wilson. And for Melsey today, we'll get to more of your texts as well. I haven't even mentioned Cadbury and Penn our stay. So if you've got any nominations for either of them,

42:57five, them through, we'll do them this hour. And we'll get to more of your texts, as I say. After five o'clock, we are going to chat the rugby with former all black Alama Edamia. And we'll play a game of guests who find out what's on breakfast as well. But plenty of time still to come here on Melsey and Guy through until six o'clock. Keep your texts coming through. We do this show thanks to the great team at Cogan Mobile. Get awesome pre-pay plan bargains at Cogan Mobile. Cogan Mobile, good call. We'll be back after the top of the hour. I'm not seeing it as your fault. I don't know you could have done more. Thought so now, the rabbit hoes. You are getting quite a lot of hard time out that last night. It's going to be the warriot house. It's going to be the warriot's business. I don't know. Sorry, warriot's business is the dolphins. I am a big warriot's fan. Yeah.

44:02Can I get it up the was? How many of these are bowls though? These are mostly baddies, right? Well, bowling's very tough to do. Actually, it's boys. I'm going to be petalent. I'm going to be childish. I'm going to go back to when I was eight or nine. Mum and Dad can tell me off. But shove that up yourself, Africa. Did he do us Dallas? Sorry, what? Did he do us Dallas? I'm going to be alright. Did he do us Dallas in 1978? American pornographic. Oh, it's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing.

45:02It's amazing. It's glorious. It's glorious. It's amazing. Oh, yeah, right. Okay. See when the last tournament of the year and the first tournament of the year. Correct. Maybe you should have just seen that. I know you're having a great time. It might be very, very costly one. Marshall Gothrin of Ready, winner and Robson. Got the ball away. It's costly all right. It's nearly the biggest cost you can buy. I used to discard the number three. He was there. And then he was there. Two and a half minutes after four, Millsian Yild Sport Nation, Maya Wilson, Info Mills, and then he was there. Two and a half minutes after four, Millsian Yild Sport Nation, Maya Wilson, Info Mills, and Info Millsie today. And we are through until six o'clock, very shortly Gary Freeman.

46:03Ragby Lee Great in this part of the world is with us very shortly to discuss the warriors and the NARL playoffs as well, looking forward to catching up with the whirs, Cadbury and Penthouse this hour as well, after five, Alama Eda Mere, former all black with us to discuss that third test in Joe Hannesburg, it's Sockert City, and also guess who, a little bit later on in the show, we'll find out what's on breakfast as well and get to plenty more of your text, get some headlines shortly, but first of all, double eight, double three, a thought I thought another telling moment was a suffer or more dropping the ball, having the ball rather ripped from him by the South African Halfback in midfield. They scored straight after that, Dean from Hawkes Bay. Guy don't read text with no names, it's fine to have your opinion, but opinions and criticism must have ownership. Cheers, Nookie. If only that was the case in the real world, Nookie. Welcome to 2026, but I know what you mean. Jason Ryan was the guy who turned our scrum around, under Foszy, everyone has forgotten this, as it was terrible before then, have we seen a bit of scrubbing inside in the box now, Dave from Nelson, no, we haven't, Dave, and yeah,

47:05I think the whole blacks have to somehow find a way to at least keep pace with them or at least be able to nullify them to an extent. Like the odd time getting slightly pushed off your ball, I can handle, but consistently on your own scrum, and then on their feet just having no chance of even holding them up is what I struggle with. Yeah, fair enough. And I feel like it's those consistent patterns, right? That we're not able to adjust quick enough. I personally believe we've had three tests, and they've pretty much been the same patterns that have come up every single time. Sort of the second and third tests. Yeah, we should be better to get on top of that. I felt from North and afternoon, team the scrum, I heard on a podcast, they had us South African ex coach, and he said that all the franchise teams, the balls, the stormers, the sharks, etc, have been told to scrum one way. So when it comes to the spring box team, every four does on the same page, and just falls into line, which was very interesting, and could be a reason why their scrum is so effective. Might have to go and listen to that. Can you let us know what the podcast is? Phil, I'm intrigued.

48:05Creole's try wasn't just Lea Roy's fault, it was a series of events. We should have caught the kick off. Lea Roy should have made the tackle. He missed the tackle 40 metres out. I'd have to go back and watch that and see where Damien McKenzie was. But there certainly was no one between Lea Roy Carter and the tri-line. He missed the tackle, and it was pretty much there you go. You run, you score, simple as that. So I'll go back and watch that at some point. Thanks to your techs, Guy, did you see the RG who got a penalty try and yellow exactly at the same time as the AB's non-PT2 sets of officials? Different calls from Steve, WTF, he says. That's what I was getting at the other day when I put the laws of rugby into the category. Because there is just so much differentiation between how rules are interpreted in rugby and I struggle with that side of things. The rules are so open for interpretation that you can have one referee go. That is a penalty. One referee will say, no, that's not a penalty. One will even go, that'll be a yellow card.

49:06The other will say, no, it's just so, you know, like it's such a fluctuating thing in terms of what kind of referee you get. And that largely sometimes depends north and southern hemisphere referee as well. But they will have like referee coaches who sit under world rugby. That will be coaching them through. And that would be from, from Nepal, it's the host nation that gives you that world netball umpire coach. So I'd assume they'd have the same thing as South African counterpart who's over seeing it for them. So it shouldn't matter whether you're north or south. It should be blanketed that you've got the same exact coach per se. Right, we do have to get some headlines. First of all, are we just getting Gary, I think we're getting Gary Freeman up before we get headlines? So I'll continue with some text. Afternoon team, I'm excited for NPC. I'm a nacky girl and we get Josh Jacob and Bradley Slater back. Good timing. We will be coming for the leaders from Tony. I think NPCs been outstanding already Tony and you're right with potential injection of a few

50:08all blacks returning from the Republic can only be a good thing. And I think you're. There's sitting at eight now would be a good chance of beating Munnawa too as well on Thursday night. So you enjoy that. Those South African forwards are telling porcupies about their weight. Just look at the size of them. Says Brett who says the gutting thing with Carter's mist tackle on Creel is that it was miles behind the game line. And he got isolated. I got plenty of pounce in the Sunline Vars. I bet you're a week's food loyalist and I know you can tell a good horse when you see one as well. So well done to you and yeah, you're right about Carter. They were behind the game line and that mist tackle gave him pretty much the opening to just run on through. So now you did right there right seven and a half after fall get some headlines before we chat to the woods. Sports news update is brought to you by PGG rights and turf premium turf grass seed that's tested by the experts entrusted by the professionals formula one lead a Kamea Antonelli won his home Italian Grand Prix after a sensational race starting at 19th position to go on to win while sending a massive blow for Mercedes teammate in closest rival George Russell.

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52:17A few more texts were just trying to get to Gary Freeman. He might be in a board meeting which, anyway, we'll find out when he's available. He'll be available at some point. He was very keen to chat to us so we will get to him. Springbok Front Row is super mobile and skillful. OX and Marks alone are more mobile and skillful than any all black Front Rower. I think to that general point, I think Front Rower is in this day and age and rugby are just overall so incredibly skillful compared to where they were even 10 years ago. But certainly 20 years ago, that has become a position where you have to be able to offload. You have to be able to to an extent even step. You have to have those little skills back in the day that didn't necessarily matter. It was just doing the grunt work in the rucks in the dirty areas. But in this day and age you have to be such a versatile player, pretty much all around the park. And you see that in the development of hookers over the same thing over the last years, you've got your Colsey running out on the wing.

53:18You've got the same as Omar now who's not only physically demanding, but man, he can move. So I feel like it is definitely a different game, but I would like to say we're not necessarily always as mobile in our props. Or I don't believe the South African props are as mobile as our all black props. A high team thanks for letting me play the gauntlet on Friday. This is Dave in Queenstown. A shame Carter didn't get a try, but I guess that's betting for you, moving forward. I've been thinking about a solution for the all blacks to beat the box and maybe the answer is to do a rassy on rassy. And in the pre-game warmups have both our hookers have a collision where they bang heads, meaning they can't play in the game. And therefore forcing golden-oldy scrums problem solved to even Queenstown. That's thinking outside the box, Dave. I'm not sure if it quite work, but you got to think outside the box. I think sometimes to measure up to rassy. Sean, from an age came, do you think we have the players to change the scrum in the next 12 months? Or is it a developmental issue that needs to start from school and been brought right through the system?

54:20It's a good text, Sean. And as I say, I'm not an expert when it comes to the arts of the scrum. I think there are props there who are up to it. And it was interesting when John R. Foeh was hosting with me last week, I think it was Finn Bulls. Maybe it might have even been after the first test. No, it was definitely last week, because we were talking about the scrum. And he was saying that a lot of the force actually comes from the second row. So, you know, like your front row might actually be well and truly up to it. But are you getting enough from the second row as well as are you getting enough from the front row? And so I think it's just more than a collective of the props in the hooker. I think it's definitely the type five that need to up their games slightly. Yeah, Johnny said Mike Cron did a big research on it, wasn't it? I think it was him, Mike Cron, the former scrum guru. And I think Johnny was sort of saying that front row is like your base, like your stability. Obviously the bigger dudes of the scrum, but he said, was it like 80% or something of the power?

55:24Or the shunt comes from the five guys behind you. Well, the box has some massive loose forwards and their locks are enormous as well. So, it makes sense. The fact that technical, isn't it? Oh, yeah, pretty good. The fact that everything apart of a scrum is so technical from when you engage, when you have that power coming through the back. And if it's not all aligned at the right time, like game over. There's a lot of science behind it. One thing the box is really good at doing, that second push, you know that you see it a lot. And we actually read it perfectly, Roy Garde read it perfectly at some point during that game. Because the ball isn't even in for them to even put in that second shove. But often that second shove that comes from the box is so powerful. And that's when the all black started kind of being on the back foot. And once you're one foot back, then it's pretty hard to sort of counteract it. 13 after four, Melsie and Guy on Sport Nation, Maya Wilson and for Melsie today, we will take a quick break. We are going to catch up with Gary Freeman at some point. We'll just wait to hear from him as to when he is now available.

56:25On the other side, we might get into more of your texts and get stuck into the agenda, into the category and the penthouse as well. I'll go, you could have done more. 17 and a half after four, Melsie and Guy on Sport Nation thanks to the team at Cogin Mobile. We are still hoping to get to Gary Freeman to chat the NRL playoffs. Alama and Maya definitely with us after five will play Guess Who That Hour as well. And find out what is on breakfast, a few texts before we get into the category and the penthouse. D-Mac was marking the winger. She is Steve. Thanks for that Steve, as I say, would have gone back and watched it, but much appreciated. Always good to have people on the ball. I hate to tell people I told you so about Rubin Love, but I told you so. So overrated very much, a flat track bully. She's Brad on double eight double. He definitely polarises opinion. I think there's one camp who feel like he is a very, very good first five who's going to be excellent for the all blacks.

57:27And there are others who along those lines from Brad think that he is definitely not up to it yet. But he's not always going to have an amazing game every single test. And I think he's played well for the all blacks. He's first and I think on Saturday he was even that bad around the park. I thought he kicked poorly from the tee. Should have got that one, the penalty about 40 metres out, maybe five or five minutes. Maybe five left of the upright and then the conversion, which was just left of the upright and just shy of the 22. Should have got those two kicks and that's five points and that gets you within a penalty and game on really. Talking about Rubin Love and saying he's not up for it, he got to breed him. He can't just not be up for it. Super-Rugman NPC, I'm going to make him up for a spring box tour. You've got to at least give him a chance and get him involved in those really sticky situations to build experience and resilience as a first five.

58:28They can't expect them to just spawn a Daniel Carter from NPC or Super-Rugman to play for the all blacks. That's why I feel like Moonga didn't need to come on tour. He didn't need to be brought in because they already know what Moonga can do in an all blacks against the spring box. This tour is to breed the likes of a Rubin Love so that you have two solid first five options and then you could have tried to bleed either a Josh Jacob or a Bodie Barrett. I still would have given Bodie Barrett maybe a little bit more of a sniff in at first five to see where he, yes, Super-Rugman level wasn't consistent enough but doesn't mean what he's done in the past in that black number 10 jersey. He could still give that impact now. Love stays Rico starts at center, Nutterwa off the bench, Blackadder Holland starts, he's marshy from the Hawks Bay. I think Blackadder will probably, I'd imagine he might get a crack this week and I think they'll probably bring Holland back into start.

59:30Absolutely, I'd agree with you on those two. I'm intrigued what they do at 10. Wouldn't surprise me if they stay with Love and I'd be okay with that. I don't mind Rico at center. I think he's, I actually think he deserves a crack. I think he's been excellent on the tour so far. Got no problem with Love but his kick from right out on the sideline had me annoyed. He took the kick on the touch line and the try was scored one and a half meters in field, proceeded to send it wide about one meter outside the upright. He's got a eagle-eyed view. Listen, don't we, in viewers. How naive are all Blacks fans? Best Spring Box team and squad ever. Not a great all Black squad if you want to test this pick a team from the last 10 years and see how many of the squad make it. Well, Shane, to that point then, if this is not a very good Spring Box, not a very good all Black side and the best Spring Box team, I don't know if you mean ever, but the best that they've certainly had for a while, then the all Blacks winning a test and then getting within seven in the second test and within five in the third test. Should tell me that they're actually doing pretty bloody well then judging by that going by that logic.

1:00:33What happens if we do pick the best all Black squad and quote out, sorry, I'm doing those many air fingers. What do we win? I don't know. I think Lash has to join Chloe in solitary confinement after two weeks in the category. He went to South Africa. We didn't get the chocolates over there. It's been disappointing from him. Yeah, man, you make a good point, man. And Lash was talking up a big game. So he was going to have conversations with many other players and he was going to get them out up and about. And more disappointingly, we didn't see Lash's at a single Razia Rasmus press conference. And I think that there really goes to show you that Lash's wasn't there for the tour. Did he have a media pass? Could he have got a note? No, he probably did it, but he could I reckon knowing Sam Lash's case he would have figured something out. Yeah, he's got fingers and a lot of pies there, boy. Right. So we find out who is in the category this week. Couple of texts, category nominations. Andrew from Christchurch says,

1:01:35literally, literally, Carter into the category for his waffles defense. It's as downfall. He's great on attack, but his defense is lacking. And as a winger being that you and the fallback are the last line of defense, you need to have better decisions when it comes to defense. Little guy on big guy always go low or at least midriff and never go high. Take the legs and the body follows to that point around the defense of kind of pattern that they had. The last question of the press conference of Dave Rene after the game was was that a tactical ploy or was that perhaps the wrong decision from Leroy Carter to come in from his wing and kind of try and take Creel on the inside. And Dave said that that was the ploy to force them to try and throw the pass overhead. Then obviously Leroy missed the tackle, which you would like to think normally he would make. So that side of things wasn't on Leroy. That was a tactical move from the all blacks to bring him in to try and get them to force the pass over the top.

1:02:38His nickname is Bumphar. Yeah. And Dave said he's a good defender. He let's you said he picked Leroy Carter based on his defense. To the second test. They dropped Josh more beat because they felt like his defense wasn't as good as Leroy Carter's. I know that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It is a wonderful thing. Little master. He'll find out who's still in the category. Sam Lash is Casey and he will remain the NRL. Does it remain? Well, we're in the playoffs. So I guess I think we have to see how this week goes in terms of scorelines to see if school lines and where where the worries will play the next home game. Maybe. That's a good point. Chuck State prices that can remain. The Sydney Roosters. I can't remember why they'll put in there. The Sydney Roosters can't remember either but they're absolutely telled up by the rabbit. So they can come out. It's speaking of another team who keeps losing games that is Wellington and they will remain. Correct. Braden put Tottenham Hotspur in there for complaining about a preseason down and they can come out.

1:03:42The Broncos were in there. They got the last laugh so they can come out. Jacob Syfiti. I put him in there for that dog shot on Luke Lullaby. He can he can stay in there until the end of the season. And God, you put in Razia Rasmus last last. Well, that was just more a little tactical ploy hoping that maybe he listens to the show and he finds out he's in the category. He can come out. They won. So he gets to ceremoniously arms in the year. Be free from the caterer. Correct. But the stills. Still a handful of people in there that are still needed to quiet down. I feel like Guy might have put me in the category if the all blacks had won that last test. I would have been in there with my spring box Jersey wouldn't I? Just going the anyway for that. Now, Ravel start with you though. This week who's coming in for you? We shall look. I absolutely love our women's warriors team quite passionately actually but their conversion kicking has been a big let down for their season this year. They're currently running at 31% equal with dragons at the bottom of the stats for 2020 six.

1:04:46She's 31% 31% they must five at the weekend. They lost by eight. And the kicking has not done well for them. They had a new kicker this week. They had J. Hoodie White in for Marley at Paul instead first change they've made in the kicking ranks for 2026 but it didn't make a difference. Hopefully we recruit or train up a kicker for 2027 because it's been pretty well for this season. Warriors goal kicking and you can catch the six again podcasts as well with with raven pit morris as well as a bunch of other guests on sport nations. So raven is very passionate about that. Warriors white henny team. Maya. Who's going in? Manchester United is going into the category for me. That is unexpected from me. I know it's very left field. And I was in why I'm saying this is obviously there's been a big transfer window English English. I can't even say English. Premier League has has begun where a couple of weeks in and instead the menu has been spending over a hundred and fifty million pounds on signing new players yet they've got a new water feature at old traffic.

1:05:53So their stadium is literally leaking and so the members or the people in the crowd are having a shower. So I was suggest instead of instead of playing that pain that money on your players maybe go to bunnings and pay a room for and get some silicon in that road. Yeah fair. I like people who have an opinion and make a prediction and don't sit on the fence. But last week on the show the godfather was with us for Friday. And he said and I semi quote I don't know the exact quote but it was along the lines of Dan hooker would obviously win and he would bet his family his wife his kids and his house on it. And Dan hooker got knocked out in two and a half minutes in the first round. And Raven was up and about as well but Raven wasn't betting the family home the family and the works homeless on Dan hooker.

1:06:57So I know the godfather's out there Brad Lewis and he's listening Brad I love you but that was an enormous call. And in two and a half minutes for Dan hooker to get knocked out I'm sorry my friend but you got to go in the canary for that. Yeah and Raven yes you packed them up as well. I did because on paper that that should have been the result. Yeah but it should have been the result. So he just went to an enormous 16. So he's going to find himself a week in there. All right I'm putting the Los Angeles clippers in the in the in the canary this came out last week. Just I'm not going to get into too many details if you want to please listen to the fast break podcasts will go deep there. But find 30 million dollars and forfeiting five first round draft picks for the next five to six years because of overpaying Kauai Lennon under the table and that is just the life of an LA clippers fans. You're beloved LA clippers. Oh it's been a rough 10 years and it's going to be a rough long it's going to be a rough lifetime supporting this team because I'm too loyal now.

1:08:04I wish I never found Blake Griffin highlights 10 years ago. But the LA clippers will go in there and they're probably actually going to be in there for the next five years because they have no draft picks. Oh yeah they go in there little master. I missed this one from Matt who sees throw Roy Gart in the canary. That Hollywood was bloody embarrassing and it's not the first time he's done it. If you want to cosplay his name are do it in your own time Cameron. Is that when I'm Cobus Rhyme up through him? I watched that and I did think it was a massive Hollywood and I didn't think it was a penalty. I made my mate text me like that should have been a yellow card for Ryan. I was like mate. Roy Gart absolutely sold him a dream. He did it in Super Rugby actually. Good scrap afterwards. I can't waste the canary done for another week. We'll take a quick break. Celebrate some people and things on the other side. How past four? Melzie and Guy on Sport Nation Maya Wilson and for Melzie today. Thanks to the team at Kaugan Mobile. Live from their studio. Get a Kaugan Mobile 15 gig monthly prepay plan for just $25 a month. Kaugan.com. Click and awesome.

1:09:08We're so blessed if you are gone. And all the right ways on the other side. 25 and a half away from five o'clock Melzie and Guy on Sport Nation. Someone asks update on the Gary Freeman interview please guy. We're waiting to hear from Gary. Yes. The city would be available at four o'clock but obviously has been tied up doing something. So we are going to try and get to him at some point. I'm sure he'll get back to us. He was keen to jump on. So we will update you. And if it happens in the last hour we will still get to Gary. Otherwise we'll chat tomorrow but I'll continue to update when we hear from Gary around when we will chat to him. Penthouse time. We've put some people in the canary now time to celebrate a few things. A few texts first of all. Our second best New Zealand half back for Laugh Fucka Tava into the penthouse. There's marshy from Hawkes Bay. You can play very well in the NPC. You'd be up and about terms of what he's been doing for the magpies. I think Scotty McLaughlin deserves a week in the penthouse for winning another race in the last Indy car race at the season.

1:10:08See his Dave. And then I'll get to Josh's very very shortly because it will tie into mine around the penthouse fun balls. Alrighty. Also Gary Freeman. If you want to listen to an extended chat with him, go listen to our feature. With the old words. If you want to hear an extended chat with the great man. Spotify. Sport Nation.inz. Sport Nation app. Or wherever you get your podcast. Correct. Now let's have a look to see who was in Foxy's penthouse, the Fox Hotel. Stephen Alker. He's going back to back. Do they even have a tournament on the weekend? Oh, the season's done basically, I guess so because they've sort of come out. But he will come out here. He had a extended period in the penthouse for going back to back on the Champions Tour. Sam Ackerman. He was in there for a late call up on the Warriors call for Sport Nation last weekend. He can come out. The Claries for making face on Jets Debo. They look very good. But they've been in there. I put the ear link pilots in there last week. They fly by God band or cancelled for the third test, which I think is a catastrophe. And Guy, you had Ray from Guy's apartment.

1:11:11Yeah, he was a great man. I'm a great man. A lot of money for the change of our light bulbs. Absolutely. And there are the new dos. So how about that? Raev, who's coming in for you? Look, I feel like the Warriors fans have been in the penthouse before. But I wanted to make a special mention this week because the signs are always off the hook. But there was a big sign behind one of the goal posts. I think it was in the Southstand and it read Missy Tittle. So any time one person was going for a conversion kick, they put up their sign, Missy Tittle, to put the Manly C Eagles off. And Missy Tittle is like a tease to put you off. So like if you're playing like Stingball, Winnie or Younger or Tiggy or whatever and you missed, someone would go, Missy Tittle, Missy Tittle, if you didn't get them. And it just took me back to my childhood. So I'd like to put in the Wars fan who preached the Missy Tittle sign at the Warriors game. Maybe I'm about to show your age. Well, age or my lack of...

1:12:11I don't know. Multi-slang? No, I wasn't going to say that. But what were the games that you mentioned? Stingball. Stingball? Yeah, what was that? You remember it was like Tiggy but with a tennis ball? What's Tiggy? Tiggy, you were Tiggy. Like Tag. Tag. Tag, yeah. Tiggy is Tag. And Stingball is kind of the same but you hit someone's ankles with a tennis ball. Oh, that's a fun guy. Yeah, it was ankles with a tennis ball. We used to do no body shots. Okay. Oh, I like that. No, that's a good entrance to the P-N-S. Yeah, like four. You learn something new every day. You do. Mine who's entering for you? Mine's not that good but I definitely need to give a special mention to Tain to O-Pickie. You do. A hat trick on the weekend. Defence needs to up its game a bit so I'm not going to give him the highest of highest penthouse admissions. But Tain to O-Pickie and the one New Zealand Warriors they have made it into the finals series. They need to be celebrated.

1:13:11And just with Tain as well, goal kicking. So good. Best goal kicker at the club. And he gets so much sick too because a lot of the time he's just like a replacement kind of guy who doesn't necessarily is a starting player. But anytime he comes into the side, I feel like he stands his own two feet and holds his ground and that's all you need to do when you're like... probably a 14th man if that makes sense. Do you want me to go first, little master? I don't mind. Oh, you can go then. I was just only going to allude to Josh's text who says well written to the penthouse even after guy had this horse in doubt. Alabama lass also ran a great race. She certainly did. I didn't necessarily doubt well written what I doubted or not doubted but what the one question that I had was whether she could do what she had been doing as a three year old, an open company against some very, very, very proven horses. And she did. And that is why Josh, I am following you and well written goes into the penthouse.

1:14:11It was a phenomenal performance at LSD on Saturday and if you were lucky enough to be there and to see it, you would have had a smile on your face. New Zealand racing needs a pin up horse like her. She's unbeaten now from seven starts. It was just remarkable and I just hope she can go to Australia and do what she's been doing here in New Zealand and beat some of the best over there because I think it would be amazing for our industry. If she can continue to win she won horse of the year last night at the NZ TR 2025 26 horse of the year awards. It was absolutely brilliant. So yep, she can go into the penthouse outstanding. My penthouse nomination is Brandon James. Now who is Brandon James? That is my older brother. He got engaged on the weekend and I just wanted to give a big shout out to the big man who, although you think I'm a big man, he is far larger than me. So I'm getting down on one knee when it looked quite funny and I just wanted to give a big shout out to my big bro for getting engaged. That's cute. Yeah, I'll put him in there. And then also the rabbit os as well.

1:15:12I thought that a very good tribute for a pro gybe. But yeah, Brandon James under the category. Did they make a big occasion? No, they were just him and his lovely girlfriend. Well, now Fjonce, we're down in Christchurch where they met and then I think they just, they were at some bridge in Hagley Park and that they had a sentimental little connection to and he popped the question with a big ass diamond ring. So good on him. So yeah, something I didn't even thought I'd see. Love the bloke though. But no, I'm really, really happy for him. And the least you haven't been taking the heat because the next one, once one person gets engaged, right, is like, we're near uni. Yeah, I'm surprised my girlfriend hasn't actually said anything yet. But still time for that'll come tonight. But yeah, no, just thought I'd celebrate her. Good on you. So yeah. And well done to your brother as well. Yeah. Fair one. Parents happy? Very, very happy. Grandparents happy as well. Yeah. Oh, they get to go to a wedding, which is, which they haven't been to in a while. Weedings are fun. I see, I've never actually been to a wedding as an adult.

1:16:13So thoroughly looking forward to that. I'm getting to that age where like, I'm probably going to be going to a couple in the next like few years. There aren't many days that are better than weddings. I would rather the wedding house than have a wedding. I would really look forward to my endless, in this day, na. Not possible. It's so damn expensive. I would rather bugger off somewhere in a lope and tell nobody and then come home and just have a party. And only spend like a quarter of the fraction of the money. She makes a good point. Just win the lotto. Yeah, I got asked the MC one of my mates weddings. It's exciting. You might need to get some. It's actually the worst job. Oh, thanks for that. Because then you can't go and get stuck in. What's the proceedings are done? You can get stuck in. You play very, very fast catch up. Oh, I'm very good at that guy. Don't you worry. What a shock. 18 million for five. We'll take a quick break. Come back to a few more of your texts. Still waiting to hear from Gary Freeman, but I'll update you with that. Alarm me and I'm here definitely in with us after five o'clock to chat the all blacks.

1:17:15I'll be anything. I reckon we just play this out for him. Yeah, it's a good idea. I'll just keep it real. It's about four minutes or so. Four and a half left. Boris. Yes, we're ever going to turn the lights off and enjoy this for a little while. I'm joking. Uh, Finn. Yeah, yeah. I think. And Mark is right. I thought I heard this. Did you put your brother in the category? Oh, fraudulent slip on here. Brandon James. Fraudulent or fraudulent? Fraudiant. Fraudiant. That's a fraudulent. You know, we always talk about my literature skills, spelling, speaking. Anyway, that's okay. We'll gloss over there. In the wrong industry. Uh, Brandon James in the penthouse. Deep Southmark. Thank you. Definitely shouldn't be going into the canary for being engaged. That'd be a bit weird. But uh, Unless you found the pressure. I don't know. No, he's in the, he is in Foxy's hotel.

1:18:17Put your feet up, B. Absolutely. Uh, get a everyone. Do you know the story around Kay and rising guy? I heard this gilding as the fastest horse in the world from Doug. I do know the story around Kay and rising races over in Hong Kong. Trained by David Hayes. He has won 21 straight races. And yesterday, uh, at Sharton in Hong Kong, he broke the track record there, which I think he's now broken five times, broke his own track record by a second, which in racing, is an enormous amount, amount over, I think race of 1200 metres yesterday. He was bred here in New Zealand by Fraser and Aaron Orette, uh, under grand moral, moral, large racing. He was bred at, uh, fold at Windsor Park stud. So he has massive ties here in New Zealand. And he is rated, I think the equal best horse in the world. So he is the definition of a freak when it comes to racing. And if you haven't seen him race, just go onto YouTube, search Kay and rising and I would assume the first thing it'll pop up will be his race yesterday that he absolutely dominated

1:19:19and it is well worth a watch. Even if you're not a massive racing fan, I would encourage you to go and watch it. Here's a superstar. This might be a really like dumb question, because I need to admit, I don't know too much about racing. But what types of things go into getting a one second, I guess, better? Like is it? You just got a good draw helps getting a good start, obviously, being a freaking nature like he is. Yeah, conditions help absolutely. So if it's dry and, you know, not a headwind, that if you're content to it, it's continued with or anything like that, that certainly helps. But yeah, good track, no rain, um, helps him go a lot faster in yesterday. Zach Burton is jocky. Put the foot down pretty much from the start. And this horse is just a phenomenon. He's dup a little bit towards the line, but he was just flat tack pretty much for the 1200 metres and it was a remarkable thing to witness. And in your opinion, who else is at the same sort of echelon? Well, there was a horse called Black Caviar over in Australia

1:20:19and she went 20-something races on Beaton. Must have been somewhere around the 23-24 marks. Someone will correct me on that, but around that mark, maybe 25. Winks, obviously, one. However many group ones, she won. Uh, Frankel, it's a bloody good horse. But yeah, there have certainly been a few very good ones. If we go back years and years and years, bone crusher, obviously, far lap. Yeah, I've been a far lap. But, yeah, Kay and Rising is a very, very special horse. So, it's a bit of a treat to be able to witness him do his thing. Just quickly before we get to a few more texts, in terms of Gary Freeman, he is going to join us at 540. So Gary will be in the last hour to chat, a little bit of rugby league, and then our playoffs will chat. We'll allow him to hit a mere after 5. G'day team, if it wasn't such poor form, it would be laughable criticizing Rubin's slow service from Cam and Rush Defense. What's he supposed to do, put on his Superman cape and fly? She is Brian. And I even think, I know what you're saying, Brian, and I agree with you.

1:21:19I think some of the criticism around Rubin Love, I think the place kicking is fair, but everything else I think is pretty harsh. And around Cam Roygard, probably slow service because the forwards were going backwards so much. So even that isn't really on him. He just had to, he was on the back foot, massively trying to clear the ball. And when you're under that sort of pressure, it's bloody hard to get it out quickly. Yeah, fair enough. And like we said, if it wasn't for that Rush Defense, it would be a lot different for, I feel like it would be able to play with more freedom and running ball in hand. Yeah, that is one thing that I think the All Blacks have on the whole kind of struggled to overcome, for probably the best part of about 10 years, really. Since that 2019 World Cup semi-final against England, where they suffocated us with Rush Defense, I don't think there's ever been, there has been an All Blacks team since then who has mastered the art of getting around that. It's very hard to, though, especially with the type of, like, backline play that we have, which is fling it wide, if they're rushing and suffocating,

1:22:20you all, we do do it well, we have done it well this series, though over the top balls, or like the skip passes, I feel like they've been quite good, and that's kind of been countering that, Rush Defense, that the ball's put on us. There are a few deep balls as well. Yeah, I think they're getting better at it, but teams are obviously getting better at Rush Defense. Correct. We're very behind the advantage line because of the Rush Defense, which puts us back like 10 or 15 metres. But if it works, then you get a line break and you can score a try, so. Aaron says, not sure where this Ruben Love hate has come from, all of a sudden, not sure where he played. Any different in the third test from Test 1 and 2? Ruben didn't lose the test for the A-Bs. South Africa Ford Pack won it. Yeah. Ford Ruben's general play was pretty decent again. It is baffling, and you've pretty much summed up my thoughts there. Aaron, I thought around the park, he was very good. Or good enough anyway, and shouldn't be copying as much criticism as he seems to be. I think he's an easy target. I actually think he's just an easy target. He's one of those players where some people don't like him and they'll just go all in on him. And I feel like it's the, you've got Richie Mung on the,

1:23:20you know, on the back post too. So they're just like, just chuck Richie in there. This young kid doesn't have the skills yet, but I would agree. Play is actually looking quite slick. It's just, and you can't expect the man to be kicking 100% conversions and penalties every single week. But all in all, has this most solid option that we have seen outside of Richie Munger, who we, apart from NPC, you can't compare that. It's awkward for Ruben Love as he's jammed between Roy Gard and Jordy Barrett, and a lot of the time Roy Gard is made in the other time, Roy Gard is making decisions as a first five wood. But you could put Love with it. Rathema and Ruben were on the backline and see how that goes. And never thought of that. I'm sure Rathema will get a start at some point, probably in those Northern Hemisphere tests. I think he, he got, he put up with an injury. He's coming back to New Zealand. Yeah, I don't know how it is. Yeah, I don't know how serious it is. Yeah. Hotham's going to Baltimore, but I don't know who knows who we'll see him. Afternoon, a pivotal moment in the game was to be Valle, dropping the ball off the kickoff. Could have pinched an easy try.

1:24:21The nomination for the category is the South African TV directors. Not only Bias, but seem to spend more time showing the crowd than the actual game. To that last point, Mikey, I did think that at the time. Yeah. I thought they had obsessed with that Mexican wave, which in fact, I'm not a Mexican wave. It was pretty calm. But it was a bloody good Mexican wave. But you're right, they showed the crowd so much. Like, they missed a couple of line outs because they were just kept on showing the crowd. And not necessarily crowd, but the promotional stuff. What was the airline, the airline? The airline kept just random, not even billboards, but like sideline stuff, rather than what's actually happening. If you have a good look at the Malcolm Marks clean out, you will see his shoulder making initial contact with Ardie's head before hitting him on the shoulder, at least yellow, but it wasn't even looked at. I didn't see too much in it myself personally. You see that, I think, all the time in rugby. I think if you pull up one of them, you'll probably pull up plenty. It's just a bit unlucky, I thought for Ardie, and hopefully it's not too bad Dave's day. Dave seems to think it's dislocated, and not sure on a full extent of the timeline that he'll be out for.

1:25:22But hopefully it's not too bad. No blame for Rubin, after nonsense, to even have his performance under discussion. Someone else says, Ted says, I was at GoMedia Stadium on Saturday afternoon. We definitely missed Egan and his work around the play the ball. Defense on the flanks was at times below par. But manly, he had a great backline that could worry any defense. Clark, Fish and Barney were on the sideline in the last five to 10 minutes of the game. They left it to the young guys to close out the match. Two old picky showed that even though he has a small bugger, he has great deception and strength when the tri-line is in sight. Finals, footy time, up, but wires, Ted from the Y-cuttle, great text mate. Thank you for that. And Jeff, the horse's name is Car-Ying Rising. So K-A, space Y-I-N-G, space rising. So chuck that into YouTube, sit back, and enjoy a spectacle. Go watch all his wins because all of them are pretty darn impressive. I'll tell you that. Coming up to five o'clock, Milsie and Guy on Sport Nation Maya Wilson in for Milsie today. Alama Eramia with us straight after five o'clock to chat the rugby.

1:26:23And as I say, Gary Freeman as well will join us later on next hour and around about five, 40. We'll find out what's on breakfast as well. And keep going to more of your texts, so far them through on double-eight, double-three. Milsie and Guy, thanks to the great team at CoganMobile, Cogan.com. Click and awesome. And also chime in here as well. No, it looked... Yes, Finn, go. Legend history. Oh, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy. You're still in thing I'll never do. What's the woman's badminton? Are they...? We do have some poorly-named sporting events. We have some pretty good sports events. We have some pretty good sports events. We have some pretty good sports events. We have some pretty good sports events. We do have some poorly-named sporting teams, I believe. Like what? We have the Black Cocks. Yeah, well, the... That's about there in there. There's no... I can't believe it. That is just extraordinary. The Black Cocks.

1:27:23What do you believe in? Is this your place? No. No, no, no, no, no. No, I live with my mom. Oh. Yeah. Hey, Mom! Who gets to meet love? What do you buy for you? Just let me adore you. Oh, Daddy. What do you buy for you? Just let me adore you. Yeah, I bet like Corn. It was like I got off him sometimes in Camdencom. That's in the show. You're sorry, what? Yeah. It's time to go on the show. Now, I'm going to show you. Then I'm going to show you. I'm going to show you. I'm going to show you. And so, I think we should gild lasthes, actually.

1:28:24That's the answer. We should gild lasthes. Lashes unique gilding. Anyway. What can I get? Can I get a clean one? Can they get a clean look? A big wave for the win! Band of the stadium! Absolutely insane! Two and a half minutes after five, the last hour of your Monday, a Monday edition of Millsian Guy, Maya Wilson, in for Millsian today, very shortly, Alama Eramia from all black with us to discuss the all blacks loss on Sunday morning. And what to do now, any changes he would make, we'll chat to him about that, Gary Freeman with us at about 5.40, so that means that we might just ditch guess who for today and maybe play it tomorrow or on another day this week. And we'll also find out what is on breakfast tomorrow later on this hour, a couple of texts before we get to Alama Eramia, and most of them at the moment around Ruben Love

1:29:24and a lot of them along the same lines. Sadly, some public do expect 100% kicking accuracy. So glad not to be appearing here in my kid, get slaughtered by listeners for a job that puts a ball through a gap in two posts. Sorry that you got up early and set on your catch. And to that point around the kicking, I was told by someone who was at the ground, the conditions were actually a lot harder than they looked. That win was a little bit stronger than perhaps it was made out. And so it wasn't as easy as, like I still think you probably should have got those two, but just sit here and berate the guy for missing a couple of kicks. I do love that text and the athlete in me is like, I want to give you the kicking tee. Father, if you think you can do a better job than Ruben Love, be our guest and prove it. Because I beat you 99.99% you will fail and make it to the posts. No, you couldn't kick it to the side. Not for the side line. You know, who does a great job with like putting fans and things like with them out there?

1:30:25Because I think it must be on the Pat McAfee show. Like they go to universities around the US. They have NCAA teams and they set up goal posts and it's like you get two kicks to win ridiculous amounts of money towards scholarship or something. And like nine times out of 10, they never make it. And it's like a 30 yard field goal. And it's just like no defense, no nothing. And it just goes to show you like how hard it is to kick a field goal and an American football. Nothing quite like a reaction to an A.B.s loss. Always interesting where the criticism is directed. Sure, love Mr. Kapler Kicks, but didn't really do much else wrong. His passing sets that back line of light is Ruben responsible for the scrum? No. Surely there's more areas of concern than the first five behind a Ford Pack that ended up getting dominated. It's a similar situation to what Bowden found himself in. I completely agree with that. Copped it when he was playing behind a Ford Pack. That wasn't on top. Good call that. And the pile on Ruben Love feels a lot like the way the public treat Damien McKenzie doesn't it? You have to take a little bit of bad to get all the good those guys can deliver.

1:31:27Well said to all of you guys on double eight, double three around the Ruben Love criticism. And don't get us wrong. There will be so many people chirping from the cheap seats if the all blacks don't win this test for saying, reny needs to go and that maybe, oh, this might be really off, but saying someone like Razor might need to come back. You've got to give them time. And at the end of the day, I know this is a job where they everyone involved gets criticized, but they are people at the end of the day. And this isn't just, this is their lives, not just a financial paycheck or them just turning up to play the spring box on the odd day. Well said, take sport nation with you wherever you go. Listen live on the sport nation app online at sport nation.nz. Or stream us on iHeartRadio and Rover. Catch every interview, every show on demand, wherever you get your podcasts. Millsian Guy. For more all black, one of our very best is Alama Edamia. And he is with us now. Alama, thank you very much for jumping on the line to chat the all blacks loss from the weekend. What was your assessment of the performance?

1:32:29Hi, hi, my, well, I suppose they called it for test matches for a reason. And that was pretty awesome test match. As you can, you know, just pick a part, the just the intensity and, you know, the managing of test matches at the highest level. I think it was a great test to watch, obviously, to the point that we lost, but I'm sure there's a lot of lessons that came out of it. Lama, lovely to talk to you. Obviously, a way better start from the all blacks in comparison to test three. Was that the type of intensity you thought they were going to bring? Yeah, yeah, I thought so. And I thought obviously the occasion was a massive one. And you could see the intensity and even in the warm ups. And then, you know, the way they started that test match. But as it's well documented already this week, you know, the screen box just thought quite experienced. You know, they've been together for a while. And, you know, probably in the last 15, 20 minutes, they had the right calls. And we sort of ran out a bit of a position

1:33:31where we could have run them off their feet, but the game didn't go that way. So, yeah, I thought the boys did really well, but massive lessons. There's a lot of different lessons, you know, just amongst the team, amongst individuals. As a young all black team, I think you had a lot of direction. Well, that's what I was about to ask you. If how would you rate the tour across the three tests, which is focus on the test, across the three tests? And then secondly, and kind of along those lines, if I had said to you before the tour, that the all blacks would win one and lose two, and only lose those two by seven and five respectively, would you have accepted that before the tour and especially considering how long Dave Rene has had this team for? Well, I think they've done really, really well. Tantia, question, I think they've done really well. I think there was an excitement and expectation that we're really going to get tested over there and for some people they probably thought it might be too far. But I think we're all pleasantly at the end, surprise,

1:34:34that some of the lessons that test matches throw at you, some of these young players are learning it in front of our eyes, and it'll affect a couple of them individually, but I just think as a whole, you know, the old culture is coming through, you can see that. But I think at the highest level, I think we're starting to see it, pretty much like a master team, sort of give us a little bit of a lesson around managing the back half of the test. But they've been together for a while. I think we're heading in the definitely heading in the right direction. And I think, as long as we wait until your question goes out, I think we could potentially do this. And I think we'll just, you know, we'll just minutes away from possibly tuning that result around. And, Alama, you know, I feel like there's two big things everyone's talking about in these last two tests. One of them obviously being scrum and set pace, but what I want to tap into with you is this brush style defence. Like, how do you see, how can we adjust to this brush defence quicker?

1:35:37Well, I think experience will obviously play a big part in it. And I had a really close look at around the systems and that. And just we're sort of trying to adjust for that. It used to be a real fast and speak back in the day when it sure came out. Just that rush defence. But if you look at it very carefully, I was either the detail of people who probably see that a little bit harder than others. You know, they spoken in they hold a little bit. So that's an adjustment that is not consistent with the centres of the past. So I think the evolution of that real blitz defence is also, you know, the South Africans are taking it to another level. And as a game when time we became deeper and deeper, at times we didn't need to be. So that adjustment will come with experience. And I think, you know, those turnovers towards the end. Probably cost us a little bit where we couldn't probably just taking the ball to the line a little bit more.

1:36:37But as I mentioned, you know, it's a young thing. I will tell you that we'll get better. Yeah, well said. Around the scrums, let's delve into that a little bit. Do you think, is there enough there to convince you that in 12 to 14 months time, by the time the World Cup rolls around anyway, that the all blacks can get that up to scratch particularly for quarter final time when they are more than likely to face the box? Yeah, I think so. Absolutely. I think so. It won't be an easy fix, but you know, there's enough experience in old heads there to come up with solutions. There's a lot of different things that I've got. Clearly I'm not a squamcoach. But, yeah. But they'll come up with some really good. I was here to look at the timing, they'll look at combinations. You know, there was just a couple of real major ones that we actually got found out in that test. And I think there are times when they're getting better, but then the consistency of that. And then when the opposition always turn the heat up.

1:37:38I don't know, I just thought it was a bit better. But once that floodgate can through, you know, it was a pretty big mess. But, um, aren't you a question? Yep. I totally believe in what they're doing. And I'm sure they'll come up with some solution. How much do you think we're missing Tom IT Williams? Because I just feel like Josh has made a good point on the text machine by bringing him up a guy that I kind of just forgot him about, because he'd been out for a wee while. But he does feel like a guy would have been ideal for those South African situations. And if we can get him back, that can only strengthen that scrum side of things, right? So as matters go, and you've hit it on the edge, we need big human beings over here to match those guys. And obviously Tom it is pretty powerful as well. So, yeah, 100% agree. And, um, you know, those are possible solutions that I'm sure the coach was coach was all OK. And what's the one person is that you feel is going to make the difference for our all blacks to one test for?

1:38:41I certainly think individually there's a couple of key ones that were pretty obvious. And I think that's, you know, the system is as individual stuff. I think that's hard to listen to learn, but obviously the one on one tackling will, you know, we don't have to pick people out. There was that you can see that from the mile away, but you know, and fairness to the level, you know, I mentioned him. It's easy to miss those tackles, but if you look at his game, his attacking ability, his finishing, his assist, you know, that's just use NBA title. Sort of view that, you know, he features quite a lot in the lot of uptry. So awesome messing for him. You know, it's about a consistency. Now, you know, you know, you even love the same kicking, you know, you can't be up and down at times. You just got to be, you know, you've got to make sure you're more consistent. And you know, Fabian Holland, their last clean up, possibly because we, you know, we've got to actually had that my momentum to go into that and run those boys off their feet towards the end. But, you know, everything's a lesson for that group that's going over there.

1:39:43What was the title, you know, came back better. So I just think there's awesome, awesome opportunities for these guys to get another chance. What's really, really exciting about it is that if you actually don't perform, there's enough competition there to actually play the best player there in the week. So the culture and the team and the way that selected the team, you know, it's certainly certainly showing up who can actually stand in, who needs a little bit of a, you know, tickle up. Well, just on the selection side of things, mate, for this last test, would you be making significant changes? Or would you largely be sticking with the script and sticking with the side and saying get some revenge out there, fellas? I don't know if I can answer that one, mate. I think in terms of the bigger picture, the bigger picture, there's some really good development around the combinations there. I think, you know, I think form is certainly important.

1:40:43I don't see any drastic reason why they should sort of sudden change things up. But in terms of the bigger picture and the development of the team, I'm sure that, you know, a little bit of consistency in combinations. And maybe the resting of some players, but, you know, you know, they're still at the end of the year two or so. The injury rate will go at a moment, but you know, it's going to be another physical settlement. You know, these are injuries that are coming a little bit more serious than normal, because of the collisions. Yeah, too right. It's a physical bloody game. That's a sure on glad I'm not out there. Thank you so much. I really appreciate your time and your expertise and, and your specialist opinion on everything. Thanks so much, Alama. Good man. Thank you very much, Guy. Outstanding. Alama, you're there for more all black with us to give us his insight and opinions on everything to do with the all blacks to feet in the weekend, and where they are headed, any thoughts around what he said, five and through to double eight, double three. There is some good text there. We'll take a quick break and come back to them next. Also, find out what is on breakfast at about five, 40 or so.

1:41:43We will also catch up with former Kiwi in Gary Frem. Millsian Guy on Sport Nation, Maya Wilson in for Millsie today. We'll take a quick break. Come back shortly. We do the show. Thanks to the great team at Kogan Mobile, live from the Kogan Mobile Studio. Get a Kogan Mobile, 15 gig monthly prepay plan for just $25 a month, Kogan.com. Click and awesome. I live my day after the worst of last. I live my day after the worst of last. New and then all night, off summer. New and then go away. 20 after five, Millsian Guy on Sport Nation, Maya Wilson in for Millsie. A few texts before we find out what is on breakfast tomorrow. Gary Frem instilled a cum. High team love your work. It seems in the forwards. It's the same old same old. Razer and Rene only commented to me is Jason Ryan. Agree Rene not been there long, but Jason Ryan has. Cheers, Southie. Hey guys, think no Scott Barrett is a bigger hole than people. Think good scrumming lock and expert at cleaning rucks.

1:42:45Not to mention his line out ability. Imagine him in Holland with VIE at six. Cheers from Dion. I think you're right. I think they must Scott Barrett massively on this tour. I think he's a big body, good around the park. You're right. So physical. And he would have been perfect for that South African tour. He's slightly out of form last season, but I don't know if the captain C was perfect for him. And obviously things weren't quite going right in terms of how the team was operating. So I think he would have been a good addition to have over there in Africa. How far away is he? Well, there's been no date put on it. And I don't know. I have no idea. But the more they kind of don't put a date on it, the more it kind of worries me. What was that again? What was this? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's scary. Josh says I'm not too worried about the all blacks. A couple of moments swayed the game. No penalty try to luck guy. Even though he was clear, had ball gone to hand. Ruben loves offside of which he kept yellow. Ocks, boringing on Terrell. When the ref was standing on the other side, penalty try comes from that.

1:43:45And unfortunately, Carter soft tackle. We're not far away at all. I completely agree on that. Josh, what I would say around the no penalty try to luck guy around luck, I being outside, I can't remember who it was, but Sasha Feinberg in Gona Zood has still got sinbed in for that. And I think the all blacks scored not long after that. So I didn't really. The scored straight away, did they? So I didn't really impact too much that it wasn't a penalty try. I think it should have been a penalty try. But I don't think the rest of them, I just see me agree with you. I do agree with you around in terms of the moments. And I agree with you as well. I don't think they're far away at all. Love was okay around the paddock. But the goal kicking is his job. If I don't do my job very well, I get criticized. No different all blacks get criticized because they get paid a lot of money. They can handle it and probably a harder on themselves than even the public are. They definitely would be. I can assure you of that. Yeah, but do you get public who's scrutinized? Who? The text, the text. The text, the text. I think you might just scrutinize that work, but it's not over rebuild board,

1:44:45and every media and all that sort of stuff. Someone says Scott Barrett, week eight of the NPC. Well, I like hearing that. I must have missed that. That's very good news. It's exciting. It's a good to see him back on the pitch. It would be huge. Yeah. I think that. The interview tour for Scott Barrett would be good. That's what they'll be aiming for. It's easy to say Rubin missed seven points and we lost by five, but if he kicks the penalty, the game plays out completely differently. Maybe we mess up that kick off two and South Africa score. It's impossible to know. So it's unfair to put that blame on him, especially with everything else that was going wrong. And that's fair as well. What a smart text that is. Was that you, was it? Yeah, it was that you. No, but I would have said something similar. Hi, Simon. Carl, here I want to see the AB's relatively unchanged, except for the injuries. You learn more from your losses. The team has made huge improvements compared to last year. I want to win, of course, but we need to learn. Richie is not the answer, not knocking on and continuity of play as the answer. Boys might need to glue their hands. Lee Roy Carter did miss the tackle, but he was told to rush up to try to shut the play down.

1:45:47If it's happening, we need to get across in cover room as well, which is also a good text. Some very good texts today around the rugby. And you guys are always on the board, so we appreciate it. Just on that. On the outside of the 36 that are going to Baltimore, do you see many changes currently based on current form for your end of your tour? I was going to say for right now for the World Cup squad right now. Time to say. I know that's quite big to say. Well, so, to my two Williams, would definitely be there. So he'd be one if he was available. Scott Barrett, I would imagine, would probably be there as well. If you listen to Lashes, Dylan Pleger will start. There are a few players, I guess, what I'm trying to say. They're probably more, but those two, if I'm being completely serious, I mean, I haven't seen enough of Dylan Pleger to really know if he's, but Lashes is hot on him, Rickenzie is going to be a superstar. But certainly the first two that I mentioned will be there. So those, they'll be two slots that will be taken up by them. So others would have to be make, would have to make way.

1:46:47And there'll be others who I've completely forgotten. Big one. Eli Odin-Ron. Only because I think the locks would be, I feel like our locks are pretty much locked in. No pun intended, but you, in my personal opinion, you can't not take... At least Scott Barrett comes back in there, seeing as a lock. But you still can't not take Fabian Holland. I feel like he is outplayed himself. He's the best lock in our team. Yeah, hands down. No, it's a hot take. So then I think, and then you've got Scott Barrett, the competition for the final couple of spots. Do you see Patrick Tuyppelotto in there? Has, has, has, has, has Vide this, the slide still? I think Tuyppelotto is probably the one right now who would be outside of that. Potentially on the outer, if Scott Barrett was fit, and if they saw him as a guy who was coming into their squad. Would you drop Tuyppelotto? I think Dairy has been, Dairy has been brilliant. Oh, yeah, I can't jammy him in the fair point, but he hasn't... Yeah, I know you mean.

1:47:47Yeah, fair enough. Dairy, I've been very impressed by, I've been impressed by Lord on the whole as well. And as you say, both say, and you're right, I don't think we'd get any argument about this. Fabian Holland is the best lock in the country. So he just goes in place right there, and then you've got TuyppelVay. So from those four, to me, the guy is Patrick Tuyppelotto. One other player as well, Shannon Fresel. And Angel Fresel, yeah. Yeah, Texas just ticks as well. Yeah, depending on what type of 12 months he has as a player, he could definitely be at the World Cup. Certainly, right, yeah. Before we move on, we can find out a little bit about breakfast, but first of all, let's listen back to Scotty and Izzy, and I'm not sure who they had on, because the rundown doesn't say who it is, but they had someone on, and I'm sure it was talking about the all blacks. Yeah, it was. They were, they were, Sumo and Izzy talking about their two defining moments from the test, say, a little master that's a wonder from me. No worries. You know, you tip your hat to a South African side

1:48:48that understands how to win big moments. The penalty try was a big moment, just to create owning Le Roy Cato and Openfields a big moment. Those are parts of the game where you have to put your hand up as a team and own them. Just those two key moments, and I've been in those positions very, very hard to defend, and if you miss a tackle, they go on and score. And I think you've got to look at the moments leading up to those. You know, we lose a line out. We're our defences scrambled. We've got to get up and you basically isolated. That was one, or, well, Jordan Kixable did. They get a Scrum penalty. They kick to the corner. They isolate, you know, Jessica who isolates Le Roy Cato. So, very, very unfortunate. Those are those moments you talk about Sumo and just compounding yours with, you know, allowing the spring box side to dictate things on their own terms. Millsian Guy. A couple of educated men there, Scotty and Izzy. Pretty much the same what we were saying as well. So, that's good. But you can listen to all of their stuff, obviously, on SportNation.NZ, the SportNation app, Spotify. Or wherever you get your podcast as well, Rover and I Heart Radio,

1:49:51as well, if you want to check them out there, if that's easier for you, you can do that. Tomorrow on breakfast, the freshly crowned NZTR Jockey of the Year Craig Grills joins the team. I hope you're in better shape than he was. Is it about midnight last night when I last saw him? Fair enough, too. He was celebrating in fine styles. I look forward to hearing Grillsie with the team tomorrow. They have NPC Yarns, a plenty with Otago Coach Mark Brown and North Harbour's Tom Barham. The only man to play in both the Warriors Grand Finals to date Lance Hoehier helps look at some of the key selections ahead of the Wars final surge, including the hotly debated fullback battle and with the NFL season. Just around the corner, show favourite, Arnie Spaniard brings his unique lens to preview the season. 6-0-9, Scotty and Izzy tomorrow morning right here for sport nation breakfast. It's nearly 29 after five deep south markers bang on, Caleb Tungito, who would be another player who would walk straight into that team if he was fit. So someone else would have to make way for him. Only scary thing with him,

1:50:51Ike Lee's injury and he relies a lot on explosiveness on the wing. You think so? No, I don't know. I just feel like saying that. And don't I keel ease before? Absolutely not. And touch what I hope I never do. Yeah, because I love the injury. No, I see nasty injuries. Have you done one? No, no, but just from what you hear and what you see happens a lot in the NBA nowadays and then league as well. I feel like it's happened quite a bit too. It's one of the biggest injuries in Nepal too, alongside ACLs. And they're neglect, like people say they hurt more than an ACL. What's the worst injury you've done? I'm going to touch wood right now. And ankle sprain. Wow. Actually I lie. It wasn't even sore, but something happened to my finger and it was like, it wasn't dislocated, but it was pointing at like a 90 degree angle. It certainly sounds like it was dislocated. It does sound like it was dislocated. Not at the joint, what I'm trying to say. It's just a top bit. It's like a ligament at the top bit just underneath. I'm trying to point to everyone and I know I'm on radio right now. But at the top bit just under your nail,

1:51:53there is a small ligament in that first little knuckle joint. Can I be honest with you? Yeah. I have done exactly the same thing. Really? And I didn't know what it was. And my finger was pointing at 90 degrees. 90 degrees? Yes. You're pinky. No, no, no, no. Index finger. It was my index finger. Yeah, and it was like... And I didn't feel it. So I didn't had no pain. So I needed to do more. There was no pain. And then I had just... I shot a goal. It happened on my left hand and I'm a right handed shooter. And as I was like turning around to just like... Watch your right now, I walked back to the line, while I'm in my circle. I looked down at my hand and I was like, Oh, this doesn't hurt, but... It looks deformed. It looks deformed and it shouldn't be on a 90 degree angle. So then I like, walk to the side and I go to my physio. I'm like, it's not sore, but what's wrong with this? And she's like, get off. Get your bum off this core and you're going to the hand therapist. Actually, it's the most annoying thing I've ever... I've ever had to go to. A hand therapist. Which sounds really dumb,

1:52:53because I haven't had to have a surgery. But the hand therapists are so boring. Like, they are so boring. And it's more the fact that they try and pretend like they give you this little massage on your finger, but really, you spend hundreds of dollars for a 10 minute appointment, just for them to make you a splint. Jeez. Very off topic. Sorry, Tim. How coincidental is that that both of you have had the same sort of finger injury? How does it do your hair? It does look really rare. Playing sport of some... Not professional sport, Maya. Catching a ball or something. You know how it is. There you go. And it's heyday. It's what I knew. Not even in my heyday, it was about three or four years ago. Oh, wow. I promise you, that was definitely not my heyday. I don't know, I either go either, heyday, no. No. I don't know. You in 1st 11 or 2nd 11, what it was? That was your heyday. Yeah, 2nd, it kept in the 2nd 11. You said very good cricket side. That's impressive. Until we had to play in the 1st 11 grade and got absolutely belts and by every team we came up against.

1:53:54Yeah. Yeah. Fun days. Good days. Days that nobody needs to hear about, because I'll ball them to tears. 28 away from sex. We'll take a quick break. Very shortly we will catch up with Gary Freeman, former Kiwi, to chat about the NRL playoffs. 23 and a half away from 6 o'clock, the last few minutes of our show. And we're going to turn our attention to a little bit of rugby league with the great man, Gary Freeman, was thank you very much for jumping on. Good to catch up with you mate. Look, before we look at, are you alright? Yeah. Just, yeah, I don't know if that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, yeah, the great man, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's what I think of you as, mate, the great man. It's good stuff. Yeah. Good man. Look, before we look at the playoff picture, how comfortable are you with the Warriors last couple of weeks

1:54:55to lead into the playoffs? And particularly, we're chatting about an earlier on in the show around the defensive side of things. Well, let me put it this way. I think if you look at most of the sides in the final eight, didn't really play their best sides. And I think the Warriors and about 6 o'clock seven players are missing. So I think you'll see a total different side playing this week up against the dolphins. And this is a massive game, massive game because the dolphins can score plenty of points and soak in the Warriors. So I think with those six extra players coming back in, waiting and gets back in the hook and stretching up that rock area around the rock, I think that would be a defensively wise. Gary, my Wilson here. Lovely to chat with you, fella. Obviously, I'm not too bad, mate. Hey, you're making my, what I was going to say Friday. You're making a Monday. Feel like a Friday, mate. Speaking of selections with Delamati Zalizniak out. Where do you see Sharns, Nickel Club start in the lineup? Will he be at center? Could he be at the wing? Does he start back in fullback?

1:55:57Oh, mate, it's tough because he played pretty well on the weekend, didn't he? I like him as a player. I think when he first was at the Warriors, I didn't think he understood where he wanted to play at how fit he had the big one. When he went to camera, and then when he came back, he just become a different player. He was super, super fit. Understood the game. With more relaxed about his football and then underweight. Mate, I think he's just gone from strength to strength in the weekend when he did play on the wing. Oh, look, I like him a fullback, but I think the way, young, to a pick, he's going, it'd be hard to push him out. So I think he'll stick on the wing outside this stage. Gary, what's the difference perhaps between this Warriors side and previous ones in terms of their ability, perhaps, to be able to make a deep final's run? Do you feel like this is a side that can go the distance, at least get to the grand final if not win it? And what do you see differently from previous years? Oh, geez, that's a tough one. Maybe there's some great players.

1:56:57And to remember the times they did make the grand final and the stage he was there. And a lot of other players as well, I can't remember the more right now, but you go back in time. And you've got to have a little bit of luck. In this game of rugby league, you've got to have some luck. And I'm saying that these guys here, they are fit. They'll be going into this game fresh. They know what's at stake. They've got a couple of shots. Even if they lose, they get a lot of shot at getting themselves back on the horse and the way you go again. But they really want to win this game. The biggest stepping stone in playing semi-final football is bringing that first week and really sets up how you feel about yourself, how confident you are. And two games at home, how good that be for fans. That'll be unbelievable. And if we look back at their game against Manly, I don't know about you, I was sort of left a little bit lackluster. But when you've got your now Harris, Teveda kicking that winning field goal, is that the sort of pressure situation that will actually benefit them heading into finals? Without doubt,

1:57:57because if you look at it, there was, as I was saying before, six or seven new kids that were throwing in the deep end, they had to come up with a game of their lives. And then, Manly will always going to be hard to beat. They were due to play as best as they could. They were missing a couple of players themselves. But I thought that this game was going to be really, really dangerous because there's so many key players from key positions missing from the Warriors. And should now the kick that field goal was outstanding. That was pressure. That's what happens in semi-final football, mate. And, you know, the kids stood up and so did the other young kids who got a shot to play against that Manly side last week. But like I say, it will change this week. It is up against the dolphins. They all got the key players back and make what a game this will be. I reckon there will be not hundreds of thousands watching this game live, but there will be millions watching the New Zealand, and across Australia. Yeah, I think you might be right there. Let's chat about the dolphins a little bit, because since they got thrashed by the sharks, 66-0, they've probably been the form team of the comp.

1:58:57Seven wins haven't been beaten. They've been outstanding, ball in hand, and defensively as well. I mean, do they... Are they the smoky in this competition? Do you think and smoky might even be a harsh term? Because they have absolutely flowed into finals' contention. But this feels like a very, very tough first week of the finals for the Warriors. I've got to say this. I called the game for this year and last week. The time's been a dolphin. And to be brutally honest, I thought the times were a little bit hard done by. The dolphin server didn't play their best. And it was like that. They had those great runners, you said, say, and winning games by lots of margins. And the game that really took it for me is when they played the roosters, and their four-pack really did stand up and stick it to the rooster forwards. And I thought they were going to do that for the times. And then they went back down again. So it just shows how important it is week and week out in this competition. If you're not only game, if you're 10% low or 15% low,

1:59:57we've got two or three players, it's not 100%. You will get beaten. I think this is a really, really good test for the Warriors. I think the Warriors come out on top, being at home, mate. I can't see the Warriors losing in this game. Yeah, and speaking of that four-packed domination for the dolphins, how important is the leadership from the likes of James Fisher Harris, Mitch Barnett, and everyone coming on board because this is going to be a massively physical game? These are the games as an X-player. If you look at me and say, oh man, I wish I was 40 years younger, I could be out there and mix it with this, because this should decide you as a player to play with both four-packed and be a half-for-a-five-eight, standing up back in the numbers, because a guy like the two-four-zett you have mentioned, like Barnett, this could be his second-to-last game for the Warriors. So he's going to want to go out of the night. He wants to get to the Grand Final. Fisher Harris has been there. He's done that, but he's a true leader. And the one thing you love about Fisher Harris is that,

2:00:58he doesn't say too much, guys. He just has to look at you. And that's scary enough for me. So I think this is one hell of a game for the Warriors fours who really stand up and be counted. And expect for Fisher Harris to have a massive, massive game without doubt. Andrew Webster, can we just get your thoughts on him and what he's been able to do in just a few years at the Warriors now? And every year he's kind of had them, and they have on the whole done pretty well. And this season, I think, is the best by far. And hopefully they can continue to go the way they are going throughout the playoffs. But what do you see that makes him such a good coach? They look like they're enjoying themselves. It doesn't look like the pressure's on them. And you see them after the game when they do have a win. How happy the boys are. And even if you have a loss, you get over it as quickly as possible. I think that's what he's instilled into this team of players for the Warriors because it doesn't matter what happens.

2:01:59He's always hung up on the entry about what they're done, what they've tried. And when they've got beat, he's got, you know, well, these things we can learn. And that's everything about winning games or football you learn from your losses. Try and not make those same the same ever and ever again. And I think Webby has got them geled together. And, you know, any risk of the... Or I can see, risk of the few players, when those guys come back in, they realize what's at stake now. And he's done a terrific job. You mentioned there's only been there three years, but every year, I think they've actually got better and better under his leadership. And for you, who worries you most amongst these other contenders? Is it the pen riff as always, the roosters, maybe even the dolphins, or is there someone else in this top eight that you're a bit scared about? I've got to say, I would say, say, Panthers after their win on the weekend. I thought they were just brutal in the way that they played. But again, you could look at the roosters, just quickly, they were sent seven or eight players.

2:03:02They haven't really been playing the best football. And they got bashed up against the dolphins two weeks prior. So, you know, if you call them smoky, yes, the dolphins are there, but look at South. South's actually playing pretty good football. So, I think the night to get a struggle with that, with a couple of their plot key players missing. But look, I'm going back to the worries, guys, that I'd love to see these plays get with a grand final. And I'd love to see the team ridden for the country. And I think that it'd be absolutely outstanding for the game of rugby league. No, I'm 100% with you. Was I would definitely be on a plane to Sydney if they make that final? Now, I've got some birds. We talk about pigeons on this show, because one of our mates lashes here is some pigeons. And one of my pigeons I we calling earlier today. And I hear your nickname, isn't actually the one. It's Raffles. Can you tell us a bit about that nickname? Well, it was my nickname when I was in New Zealand.

2:04:03I managed to raffle off a pillar of the beer. Now, then, there's sometimes there wasn't any winning tickets available. And I managed to win that beer myself, which is quite handy. Yes, I used to do that. And raised a lot of money for the teams to go away. And that's how my nickname Raffles. But that certainly changed my come to Australia. They just said, that's stupid. You're the wizard. That's it. Well, the Wers raffles all the great men to me, mate. Thank you very much for joining us. Are you a good man? I might enjoy it. I'll tell you what, look at this game. It's going to be an absolute cracker. See you all then. Yeah, we'll do good man Gary Freeman there to chat. Raghby League with us, terrific to have him on and get his thoughts. And he does make him Monday, feel like a Friday. He's up and about. I'll have it. Oh my god. He gave me so much life. Like, hey, just starting was laughing for a good 20 seconds before you could even ask him a question. All I introduced him into the show. Absolutely fabulous.

2:05:03But I just literally forgot what day of the week it was because of him. I loved it. Sadly, my it is Monday. Yeah, he was up and about. He was up and about. He's a busy man, isn't he? Yes. Raffles or the Wers? Good old Wers, hey. The great man. Did I miss around the grounds recap or did we run out of time, Josh? You missed the Josh? Yep, just before four o'clock. About the last thing we did in the first hour. No, you definitely did. Oh, yeah, my god. Absolutely rinsed. You'll be shocked to know Josh. You keep tabs of around the grounds more than any of us do. So it won't come as any surprise, Josh. It's now 15-8 to me. Games too easy. 12 and a half away from six. We'll take a quick break. Come back to a few of your texts and wrap the show. Millsian Guy on Sport Nation. Maya Wilson has been alongside me for the entire day. It's been great to have you here. And we do the show. Thanks to KoganMobile, Kogan.com. Click and Awesome. Sometimes you fade songs down that I actually just want to listen to. I mean, we're not here to play songs, but sometimes, you know, good tunes.

2:06:04That's a compliment to my music choice and ability. Sometimes you play rubbish. Yeah, we all can't be perfect little master, including you. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not even close. Did you know, Maya? The last text machine is, Alice is a very, very intelligent. And I think that all the time, it's called a mallet injury. Someone says, the tendon on top of the finger snaps and the top portion of the finger can't stay up. I had it happen to both my middle fingers within a week of each other. And I had a splint and finger physio for over a month. The nurse laughed at me because I was the first person she had seen and I was the first person she had seen, have it in two fingers at the same time. That's impressive. I feel like you need an award for that. I've never heard of someone being able to do two at the same time. I wonder if I was on the same hand. I want to know. Yeah, let us know. Well, no, because it's two middle fingers. No, both my middle fingers.

2:07:04Sorry. What are you doing with your middle fingers? Up to. How did you do it? I love to know. After many mistakes and too many penalties cost us on Sunday morning. Love's been very good up to this test. One thing to note is that had Harry Godfrey been available. Ruben Love wouldn't have had much chance at 10 this season for the Cain's. Godfrey has been exceptional in an unbeaten Hawks based side. Possible smokey for the ABs in the future. Regardless of Baltimore, a lost series for us. Time to roll the dice a bit. I think up the wires says Ryan. It's interesting the discrepancy and opinions, I suppose, between a few people saying roll the dice, make changes, and give another bunch of people a crack, and others saying, keep the best team rolling along and get as much kind of momentum as you can with the best players. And then at the end of the day, none of us are any. So? And none of us will probably be right. No. No, it'll probably be a mix. I have a feeling I'm going to go back.

2:08:04I'm going to ride on my bigger picture moment. I think this is all going to lay down to the bigger picture for meeting the spring box in a quarter final at a regular cup. So I think changes will be made, and it will be made on that basis. I think you all see Moonga. You could see Bowden Barrett. You should see Rico and see what he's like against the spring box. I think you might see Rico. Yeah. Do you change some way? Do you put any other winger on? I guess Moorby's already had his go. Fehe! Fehe! You like to see him on? It's Fehe. It's still over there. I think he's coming. Oh, I'll have to double check. I'll put out a tweet out. I'll have a look. A morning Narawha. Narawha? Yeah. Could potentially those are kind of the options. And then there's the likes of Blackadder and all that sort of stuff. I don't think they'll make wholesale changes. I think to the starting side, maybe potentially four, maybe five. But I think they'd like to keep, like if they make ten or so, then you really, I think you lose a little bit of momentum.

2:09:04But then you also, there's going to be a new captain potentially. Because there is no Saudi saviour. Does Cody Taylor come into that role? Then do you see the likes of? Jacobson? Yeah, and or Osmo? I was pulling one right there. Or was Cody Taylor going to bet if he's not going to, he's either in or he's out. Also, Fehe is over there still. Yeah. They're only sending back Jacob, Lowaki, Ma'ou, Radtema, Slaterone, Tongafasi. In the interplay. In the interplay, yeah. Okay. Very good. Well, that pretty much wraps the show. Thank you so much for all your text. There have been a lot of very, very good ones and we appreciate that a lot. Thank you, Finn, thank you, Raav. Good to see you, Meyer. Enjoy the rest of your week. See you, man. See you at some point, probably. I'll see you at Flush Golf on Friday. That's going to be fun to see you. Yeah, good. Thanks so much to Cody and Mobile as well. We'll see you tomorrow.

2:10:05Bye.