Full Packers Coaching Staff Breakdown + Offensive Line Depth Chart Analysis

0:00Whether you're solving murders during breakfast, cracking cold cases on your commute, or playing amateur detective at bedtime, Amazon Music's got millions of podcast episodes waiting. Just download the Amazon Music app and start listening to your favorite true crime podcasts, AdFree. Included with Prime. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome once again to the Packer Net Podcast. I am your host and resident panelist as always, Ryan Schlipp. Check us out online PackerNet.com, find me on Twitter, pack, underscore, that app. Well, I was kind of on the fence about doing a breaking news thing. I kind of ruled it out at first with the first coaching hire because it was kind of a smaller hire. And then they went and did a bunch of other stuff and I was like, I should probably just do it. And I thought, you know what, let's just record the regular podcast. We'll just do that.

1:03There have been some changes and I want to continue what we are doing yesterday. We will continue, but I want to go through some of the different things, the hiring, the promotions, etc, etc. So I just want to read this and, you know, some of this is going to sound familiar. Some of this may be not so much. The Reembay Packers have hired Bobby Babbage as secondary past game coordinator, Daniel Bullocks as cornerbacks coach, Noah Polly as wide receivers coach, Sam Seifkis as linebackers coach, Scott Fuchs as defensive analyst, TC McCartney as offensive quality control coach, and Will Smart as defensive quality control coach and promoted DeMarcus Covington to outside linebackers slash run game coordinator slash assistant head coach. That's a big thing. Of the defense, I guess it says dash defense. I don't know. Luke Getsey to quarterbacks coach,

2:05slash assistant head coach, offense, interesting delineation there. Vince Ogobasi to defensive line coach, Rob Grosso to assistant wide receivers coach, Corey Harkey to assistant special teams coach, and Jeff Coons to a special to assistant special teams coach. Head coach, Matt Laflore, made the announcements on Thursday. So some of this is completely new new human beings that we have not heard of that were hired to positions. Some of this is old news that we already knew, and some of this is kind of clarifying what specifically the position is, or possibly even altering what the position is. I think maybe in the case of the defense, for example, outside linebackers type thing. That may be sort of a three four delineation. You got to get the you got to get the coaches in there and figure out how we're going to sort all this crap out. So as best as I can tell,

3:11and I've been trying to make sure I get this right. It doesn't super matter, but the the things that we were already aware of would include Bobby Babbage, secondary slash pass game coordinator from the Buffalo Bills. We had heard that reported back in January, I think. Very excited about him, by the way. Still excited about that hire. It's one of those things that happened. I got excited and then a bunch of other stuff happened. I forgot. This is a reminder. I'm excited about it. Sam Seifkis, I think around that exact same time in January as the linebackers coach, former Cardinals linebackers coach under Ganon. Well, we don't need to rehash it, but I laughed about that that higher. It kind of fit the doesn't seem like one of the cool guys in the locker room. Really good accountant kind of guy. Noah Polly as the wide receivers coach replacing

4:12Ryan Mahaffey. I think that was announced in early February in Daniel Bullocks as the cornerbacks coach also early February that was reported. There was a new hiring of TC McCartney. That was the one thing that that initially I saw and thought, should I do a breaking news segment, decided against it. He's been given the job of offensive quality control coach. What's interesting about it is he's been an offensive quality. I mean, he's bounced around a little bit. He's essentially been an offensive quality control coach since 2014, which is odd. Obviously, people really like him in that role, but he's struggling to kind of take that next step. That's usually everybody I see. And I guess maybe this is just a characteristic of guys that become offensive coordinators, head coaches, whatever. But they do that role for like two, three years. And then they go up and they just continue to go up. He has been offensive quality control.

5:14Then it'll be quarterback coach and then go back to offensive quality control, running backs, etc. But any who, he's obviously been very well versed in that role. He is, it's a probably too broad of a generalization. We put guys in or it's not broad enough. I guess we put these guys in boxes and he's being put in the shana hand box to kind of make it make sense with this higher. He's been with a lot of different people and has done a lot of different things, but that's kind of seen as the thought behind this. First of all, he's kind of in that clan more so, I think than anything. He has a good reputation in the shana hand group clan as well as understanding that offense. So it makes sense. The other overarching thing here, there's been a lot of brain drain as we know. Quite a few people left and had to go elsewhere. And so we're kind of backfilling some of these positions and restructuring and doing all that

6:18kind of stuff. But TC McCartney, a lot of experience in that offensive quality control role. He's got some quarterback coach experience, some running back coach experience. Again, he's worked with shana hand and done a lot of things there. So he should fit in just fine. This is not some guy that's first time coach being given the kind of beginner role. No, he's been doing this for a long time. So whatever Matlethaler asks of his offensive quality control coaches, McCartney is well versed in that. Scott Fuchs, you got to be very careful saying that guy's name, rhymes with books, FUCHS. This one's especially weird. He's being hired as a defensive analyst. Again, I don't know exactly what that role will entail. He's as far as I know, never done anything defensive related. He started off his career back in 99 actually at Wisconsin. Oh,

7:20Claire. So interestingly enough, kind of started there and I use back in Wisconsin. He did a lot of college stuff, Valley City State, Minnesota, Crookston, Nebraska, Omaha, Grand Valley State, and then SIU. He made a jump to offensive line coach, North Dakota State, then Wyoming offensive line coach, Buffalo offensive line coach, Kansas offensive line coach, then he made the jump to the Tennessee Titans. He got that kind of beginner role of assistant offensive line coach. Now he's a defensive analyst. Now I will say I do know sometimes, guys will kind of take these roles to become more well-rounded to make themselves more, what would you call it? Desirable, I guess, to have a broader resume than I've done offensive line for 15 years through a bevy of different things. And it'll, you know, because a lot of guys have

8:26done a lot of different things. It's a big jump to go from offensive line offensive line offensive line offensive line offensive line offensive line defensive analyst. You can do offensive analysts or something. I don't know. I do know they like to do a lot of that crossover stuff where we like to have the offensive perspective on things, which I like. I don't know if that pertains to this or if it's again, just this folks guy trying to broaden his horizons a little bit. I have no idea. Will Smart, we did find out about I don't think we knew his official title. Actually, we did. So we learned about his hire kind of a long time ago. Then we found out his title not super long ago. And I think I remember being kind of surprised because he seemed shockingly overqualified for that role, but whatever. Uh, Covington again, this is kind of like a reorganization. Covington was our defensive line coach. He is now outside lineback, which is a weird, it's a weird thing. Outside linebackers,

9:30you would think would be like pass rush, but it's outside linebackers slash run game coordinator. So you're going to be working with the defensive line edge and linebackers as a safety. He's like everybody and assistant head coach, which is interesting of the defense. Luke Getsy, again, we knew he was here. I don't think we knew his official title. He is sort of that on the offense quarterbacks assistant head coach of the offense. Ogobasi was a halfly guy. And um, he came over here was assistant defensive line coach. Again, I felt because I think he was defensive line coach at Boston College with halfly comes here kind of takes a step down to be the assistant, whatever. Um, they decided to keep him around and now he's being promoted to defensive line coach. So he's now got that. Um, Rob Grosso has assistant wide receivers coach. I don't think

10:35we knew anything about that. And then again, Corey Harkey is assistant special teams coach. Jeff Coons assistant special teams coach. I think that also is somewhat interesting. Basachi, to my knowledge, did not have two assistant special teams coaches. Um, maybe at various times he did. I don't, I don't recall that. Um, so again, this seems to be a little bit of an additional investment to have your special teams coordinator, right? We went out and got our kick and punt returner. And now we add two assistant coaches for our special teams coordinator to provide some additional, um, you know, um, to that position. Hopefully. Okay. So there's that. Actually, why don't we take our break here? And then we'll come back and kind of go through uh, continuing what we started yesterday. We'll take a break. We'll be right back. Okay. So, um, what we were doing yesterday, um, more or less wanting to take stock of where we're at.

11:44Um, maybe trying to be a little bit more open minded on things where things could be. I don't know that there's a ton on the offensive line. Jordan Morgan. Um, I don't know exactly what options there are to discuss with Jordan Morgan. Um, he, I mean, he is the first round pick where two years into this thing. He's getting his first real shot at left tackle. I think the only maybe, um, you know, pill to swallow here is, you know, if this doesn't go well, I mean, I, that may be overstating it because I, I mean, what, what's actually going to happen? Nothing really. I mean, I think genuinely he's got two years to figure it out pending some kind of legitimate competition that could come in and actually challenge a first round pick for his spot. Um, I, I guess the, the strongest language I could use for Jordan Morgan is if he doesn't

12:49demonstrate that he's the guy this year, we have to at least very seriously look to start replacing him immediately. That's about the strongest language I can use there. Um, you know, he's, he's playing for a fifth, uh, fifth year option because next year we're going to have to make that decision. If he plays well, we'll, you know, we'll do the fifth year option and away we go. If he doesn't, we don't. And he's got one year to prove it or he's, you know, probably not on the team. Aaron Banks, I mean, considering we restructured his contract, I mean, it just makes it, there's, there's not much to talk about anymore. I, I hate to say it, but there just isn't. Um, he's definitely going to be on the team, um, in 2025 and 2026. In 2027, he'll be 30 years old. The cap it jumps massively up to $25 million. So right now his

13:53cap it, and I guess this is the good news. His cap hit is down to nine million next year. It's 12 million. That's a much easier pill to swallow than looking at him and saying this guy is, uh, you know, 20 million dollar per year guy. When he's 30, the cap hit jumps up to 25 million. Now the dead cap is 26 million, but there's a 9.5 million dollar roster bonus. So drop like 10 million off of that and it's 16 million. That's still absolutely sucks to have a 16 million dollar dead cap hit. But the point is he's here this year. He's here next year. And at 30, there's a good chance that he is gone with a, uh, sizable cap hit, dead cap it. Now if he actually plays well and things are going well, you could possibly have a different discussion. But remember, he's 30. And so he's going to have to be quite good for the Packers to say, let's give him an additional

14:56contract, not just for 30, but his years 30 and 31 and beyond, you know, the, the real genuine numbers probably putting him at 30 and 31 with, you know, something at 32, whatever. I don't know, three year contract, four year with two being real, maybe one. I don't know. But I guess that's kind of the way that I see it is they, they've locked him in for the next two years and then at 30, you know, it gives us some time to find a replacement for the left guard. And the only real cost here is that's, that's going to hit us pretty hard in 2027 to, you know, pay 16 million dollars to not have banks on the team. But I don't know, I don't know what's going to happen in 2027. So banks is locked in and there's, that's just what it is. Sean Ryan, um, but significantly less so he has a six million dollar cap hit this year. Next year it does jump up to 12.7 million with a seven million dollar dead cap hit. That's, that's tolerable if you decide

15:58to move on, but I, I don't know. Well, I guess you don't pay 12 million for him to, to be a backup. I guess, you know, you could look at it as a best case scenario. If by next year we, we're looking to move on from Sean Ryan, that means that we've solved center and right guard because of Belton's not the guy, but we find a center. Sean Ryan is our center. If Belton is the guy and we don't find a center, then Sean Ryan is our center. So, and, and, you know, I, I would say something pretty drastic would have to have it. The worst case scenario is probably going to be, you know, we do what a lot of people have been saying. We end up drafting a guy like Connor Lou. Because of his injury, he doesn't really play in the off season. And because of that, he doesn't get the starting job. And because, you know, you're not going to probably give him the job mid season, because you just, you haven't had the opportunity to do see it. You don't want to mess with the continuity, all that stuff. The Packers don't really like to do that. Um, you know, there's no reason to, I mean, if you don't really like the guy or it's kind of experimental to begin with with, like,

17:03Jordan Morgan or Anthony Belton, then fine. We'll switch some things around. But otherwise, we'd rather not. And so they would just redshirt them. The problem is next year, we can't make the decision that Connor Lou is the guy and cut Sean Ryan. I mean, we can, but it's a, it's a serious risk to cut Sean Ryan without having ever seen Connor Lou or whoever as a starting center. And of course, you'd like him as a backup. But again, nobody's paying $13 million for a backup. And there's no, there's, there's no, um, pay cut that can happen here because his base salary in 2027 is 1.3 million. And the other thing is, um, there is a roster bonus in 2027 and 2028. So if you were to make that decision, you wouldn't really even get to make the decision like through training camp. You would have to make that decision prior to the third league day of 2027. Otherwise, you're paying a $6.65 million roster bonus and then cutting them. You're not

18:08going to do that. So obviously, we'll have to see how that all plays out. Um, and again, I, I come into this with my feelings on Sean Ryan and how that all impacts things or whatever more so than what I should be doing, which is how I think the Packers view him, which I, I believe the Packers like him more than I do. Just like I think they like banks more than I do. And so I think from Gouda Kun's perspective, they have a starting player in Sean Ryan. So, you know, it's not to say they won't draft an interior offensive lineman. It just means that this, this fantasy I have of banks and, uh, uh, Sean Ryan or whatever leaving and finding better talented players. I, uh, I don't know that the Packers share that same sentiment and desire to urgently usher them out of the building. Anthony Belton, not a ton to say, I, I view year one as somewhat of a red shirt year. It did not go well. Um, I'm a little less optimistic about Belton

19:12than Morgan. Uh, I mean, things didn't start great for Morgan either. So I guess I should be patient. But, um, you know, Morgan, again, I think he won the competition with Rishi. I'm not going to rehash that for the thousandth time. I think it was just a cluster how that happened. I think banks getting hurt, effed everything up, just like banks ruined everything anyways. Uh, and it, it just, it set things in the, in, in motion to where it was just a disaster. And then you got Morgan playing guard. Great. It doesn't belong and it stunts his growth attack on all these bull crap. Belton was in a similar position. Now, Belton was bad. The, I guess the, the highlight is, you know, a lot of people were posting clips of, of his, in his good and his good is really, really good. The problem is he got really bad grades because they were few and far between again. I think largely, and I know people have differing views of PFF, but largely they are a consistency grade. And so if you have a very, very bad grade,

20:14it doesn't mean you didn't have good plays. It just means the percentage of plays that were good compared to bad probably pretty low and or they were appallingly bad compared to maybe moderately good. And I don't think you get better grades for, you know, blocks that look cool. Just assuming. But it's very early for Belton. Again, my hope and dream is that he will be able to go through the entirety of training camp at the right guard position. Obviously, they're going to shuffle a little bit. But I mean, that is his spot. He is our starting right guard. That is how we need to view him. I understand the Packers don't like to hand out anything to anybody. But I think we need to make an exception and maybe have a new tactic this year. Pending the draft, you know, I mean, if we draft somebody in the second round that's a guard freaking okay. I guess it's a competition then for Belton's job. We got two second round pigs duking it out. I don't know what else we do here. Belton's going to be a career back up right

21:18tackle. I guess for a freaking second round thing. Whatever point is though, assuming something like that doesn't happen, we need to maybe be a little bit more forceful about this is your job period. And we're not really moving you around. If we do, it's just to kind of get some other looks at different guys because it's training camp, whatever. But that's your job. This is what I want you to learn. This is what I want you to do. I don't care about your freaking versatility. You are this thing. You are a right guard master. You have mastered all things right guard. Do it and be very, very good at it. And that's it. Do nothing else. Think of nothing else. I don't need you to also know how to be a right tackle because we might need you there. F that. And then the final starter is Zack Tom. Another one that there isn't a massive amount to talk about. I think the only real conversation, you know, he's only 26 years old. Well, he'll be 27 soon. But, um, you know, again, you got a guy that had an injury and he didn't really last year get back to his full

22:22self. And, you know, it's, it's very easy to just say, well, yeah, he was hurt. He'll be fine. You know, once he gets back healthy, everything's fine. I just feel like we've played this game a thousand times. We saw it without and Jenkins. We saw it with Roshan Gary. We saw it with Jair Alexander. We've seen it with a million different people where they just never actually get back to what they were. They had their peak and then they got hurt and then they were never that guy again. If that were to happen, what does that mean for Zack Tom? I don't exactly know. He's obviously not going anywhere this year. He just signed a massive contract last year. The dead cap and all that stuff would make it completely prohibitive in 2026. I think it also makes it prohibitive in 2027 where it's about this. He's got like an $18 million cap hit. It's an $18 million dead cap hit. 2028 would be the first time you would maybe have the conversation of the salary cap being a $24 million hit, which honestly, as long as he's still in a lead tackle,

23:27if we're still having that conversation, his cap hit is not a problem until he's 30 years old and it hits 30 million. And even then, I don't know what 30 million means in 2029. That may be comparable to 20 million in my mind and what 20 million is now. And it's not that big of a deal. But the point is 2028, 2029 years old is the first time it becomes feasible. $24 million cap hit, $12 million dead cap hit. What does that mean? It means we have him this year, we have him next year. And hopefully we don't have to have that conversation in three years or in two years, whatever, about do we need to move on? Hopefully he gets back. He's healthy. He's strong. He powers through. Hopefully, Zack Tom is one of those guys that you see that plays until they're 38. You know what I mean? Sometimes there's just those offensive lineman that just gutted out into their mid and late 30s. And Zack Tom is that dude. And he's just, and he gets a third contract and a fourth contract. And he starts getting these one year, two year deals. And he just keeps coming

24:27back and keeps getting the mega deals. And it's like, holy crap, he just keeps going. And it's like, well, we're going to have to plan for something because he's 38 years old at some point. You know, and I got grandkids. I'm talking to about Zack Tom. You know what I mean? I got a grand kid with a Zack Tom jersey on. That's, that is my dream. He's one of the most legendary packers that's been around since, you know, almost since I started this podcast some money out years ago. But I am genuinely, and I'm going to be pleading on my knees begging for Zack Tom to return to form because I am so unbelievably sick of this injury bug, taking greatness from us. The blue, you know, and that's the thing. Oh, Gudakans can never get blue chip players. No, he does. We just get frickin robbed with the damn injury bug. Rashon was a blue chip player. You can say he wasn't all you want. He was, he was one of the most elite pass rushers in the entire NFL in like what, 2020 or whatever year,

25:28elite brother, Jair elite. I'm talking number one of all the corners in the entire NFL number one. By the way, he never really had a bad year except maybe his last year. I mean, he was one of like, we went through this like one of the only corners in the entire NFL that had as many years as he had, even maybe you could go back a year like it within four or five years of having 70 plus coverage grades every year. Nobody has that. We had it and took it entirely for granted because even his bad years were better than a lot of other corner backs the years. But we're talking at his best, he was the absolute best corner in the entire NFL. He had a spade of injuries and he never recovered. We got absolutely robbed of greatness from guys like Jair and Roshan and Elton and Elton also was a catastrophic situation of constantly moving him around all the time. He hits greatness and then we move him to guard. Okay, fine. And then he's a guard and

26:33he's he's good and then he's hurt, but then he's good and then he's hurt and then it's he heard and then he's a center and then just vomit. It's the only way I can describe the second half or the second, two thirds of his career is just a pile of vomit, disgrace. Sorry if you're eating dinner. You shouldn't be. It's early. Sorry if you're eating breakfast, but it's accurate. There's no other way to describe it. Beyond that, quite a few bodies. I don't know that there's a lot of genuine contenders. We can talk about Jacob Monk, fifth round pick in 2024, but it's been two years. We've talked about him. There's never really been any kind of a strong pusher indication that he's going to be able to take that jump as a starter. And even still, if we don't find somebody better than Jacob Monk, let's just say hypothetically, then we know he's not going to beat out Sean Ryan.

27:38So Sean Ryan will be our center for the next like two years, which means Jacob Monk will have gone through his entire rookie contract having never been able to, you know, burst through that, pending some kind of shocking thing where he's just elite and we cut Sean Ryan for Jacob Monk, but I don't think that's ever going to happen. So I think Monk is at best going to continue to be a backup for us. Perhaps even after Sean Ryan leaves, if that whole thing does come to fruition, where we find a great center, we move on. Maybe Jacob Monk can become a good enough player where he can be a career backup for us or something. I don't know. But as of now, nothing. John Williams is another guy to potentially keep an eye on. I want to brush him off because he's a seventh round pick, but we've seen successful seven throng picks, including Rashid. By the way, we have to have a Rashid conversation because another problem that the Green Bay Packers have had is in contract years, guys, especially on the offensive line go, eh, actually, I want to ruin my

28:44career and make no money, right? Josh Myers. He actually looked pretty good. And then it's like, okay, contract time. You know what? I suck and I hate everything and I'm never going to play football well again. John Runyon dude was DC is pretty good right guard. And then his contract time and he says, nope, I hate football. And I want to go be a teacher. I want to go teach art. I want to teach elementary school kids finger painting for the rest of my life. I want to bag fricking groceries. I hate football and I hate money. I hate making massive. The idea of getting a massive contract as a career right guard and having to do this for the next. Oh, I don't know. G four or five years of playing football and making tens of millions of dollars and then retiring at the at the ripe old age of 31 and living a great life. I hate that thought. It's the worst thought ever. And I'd rather bad groceries the rest of my life. Rashid Walker followed that same plan. I don't know what the Packers do. I think this is a packer thing. I think it's sabotage. I think

29:48this is why our players hate our training staff so much because they know that our training staff is sabotaging them poisoning them in their final years and their contract years because we don't want to pay them. We know we're not going to keep them. And you know, we don't we don't we don't want them to stay and earn a contract for what are you know, what I don't know, it doesn't matter. They literally are poisoning them. They're if you watch Rashid Walker, it's not that big of a stretch to think, you know, I think they put LSD in his Gatorade bottle because he's out there just tripping balls. Okay. He doesn't know what he's doing. He's running around and fricking circles. He looks like an idiot and he hates money and he doesn't want a job anywhere. And congratulations, Rashid, because you got no money. You fricking loser. You got you're a seventh round pick success story. It is a beautiful story. You should have made $25 fricking million as a starting left tackle. And instead you got four. You got four because of one bad year in your final year. And it was so catastrophically bad. Everybody said, I don't know. How

30:52about four million? And your own team, your own team, the Green Bay Packers didn't even want to keep you as a backup. Probably because they put so much fricking cyanide in your fricking Gatorade, they know how much damage your body's been through. What is that? Why does that keep happening? And they're in the contract years guys are like, man, I want to be good. It's it's just it's to say whether it's injury or whatever. Guys are good. It's a yay success story. And then for whatever reason, after maybe two years of success, three years of success, they just say, I hate everything. And I can't play football. And I'm tired. And I don't want to do this anymore. Can we just have anybody be good for a long time? How did we get on talking about? I don't remember, but oh, John Williams, because he's a seven-thrum pick. Okay. So anyways, entirely possible. He gets more opportunities and is able to prove his worth as an offensive guard.

31:55Again, though, it's just it's such a it's such a steep climb because you think about the land mine that he has to navigate of having a second round pick and Anthony Belton ahead of him. You're going to have to be so much better than Anthony Belton to win that job. And again, if Anthony Belton is not good, we're immediately going to find somebody that's very good. The path to you starting in that job starts with number one, we can't identify any talent. Don't go out and get any talent. And you're very, very good enough that we're like fine. I guess you can play right guard for us. It's not impossible, but it is a steep climb that begins with in training camp, turning heads repeatedly, which is hard, not necessarily for the coaches, but we're not going to get that information. Obviously, when you go through the training camp notes and whatnot, which we do every year when the beatwriters are out there doing all that stuff,

32:56in the one-on-one stuff, yes, in the team drills, there's not a lot of offensive line notes. But whatever, the possibility is there. I think maybe your best shot is Belton goes down with an injury. We decide that Williams goes in, which we probably wouldn't. It would be Donovan Jennings or something, somebody else or some guy we drafted. But let's say John Williams is the guy, he goes in, he's fantastic and just keeps the job. But it's a steep, steep climb. Darian Canard was a very interesting story for us last year. Darian Canard, we brought over from Philadelphia. He's one of those guys that actually had some draft bonus feed days. He was on draft day thought to be, you know, he might actually be a really good football player. Then it didn't pan out. We're like, well, we'll give him a shot. Then we brought him in and he was actually pretty good. We sent, I think, a seventh round picker, something to get him. He was a fifth

33:57round pick back in 2022 by the Kansas City Chiefs. Now, he's very odd for a Green Bay Packer. And the grades are actually somewhat deceiving, but he had an almost average pass blocking grade, 58.6, called 59 basically 60. And, and that's a 60 despite having a 31 pass blocking grade, week one against, against Detroit, a 21 grade, week 10 against Philly, 40 grade against Chicago, and a 3.6 against Baltimore. Those are appalling. Now granted, you're going to have exaggerated grades in games where you only play like five, six, seven, eight snaps, but still he had those grades still came out to a 60 because a lot of the other games were good. Washington was almost a 70. Cleveland was a 70. Pittsburgh was a 70. Giants was a 70. Minnesota was a 70. Chicago was a 70. Denver was a 70, along with a bunch of 60s. So anyways, he, he's really not played as a starter

35:05very much. 2024, he played 71 snaps for Philly, he played almost 300 for us. He's a big dude, 653, 22. Again, average pass blocker, maybe you can improve that. I don't know. 72 run blocking grade is really the kicker here. Packers are trying to get big, they're trying to get strong, they're trying to get physical. And I specifically remember when Canard came in, our run game got better. So, you know, I don't, I don't know that he has a spot on our team right now. He played almost exclusively right tackle for, for Zach Tom when he was out. Obviously, I'm not going to advocate for him taking that job. There could be a case, he played six snaps at left tackle all in that Baltimore game where his, his pass blocking grade was a three. Again, six snaps. So, you know, you give up, well, he gave up two pressures in six snaps, which is pretty appalling. But you know, that, that'll happen. Could there be a world where he plays left tackle? I, you know, whatever.

36:12I, the bottom line is he's intriguing. He's intriguing to me. We, there's a lot of questions that we have. He doesn't have a ton of experience. So I think if you get a good coaching staff, which I don't know that we have right now, as far as our offensive line, but that's a separate discussion. If you can coach him up a little bit, maybe he's, you know, in a different scheme or whatever, although Philadelphia is kind of similar with the big body stuff or whatever, but whatever. Say it's a better fit. Say we teach him some different stuff, use him a little bit differently, and it works to his advantage. I don't know. I mean, I, I obviously want Morgan to work out. If nothing else, I'm excited we have him as a swing tackle. Again, it's a, it's a huge uphill battle for him to ever be a starter. And he is 26 years old right now today. So if he ends up getting the job next year, I mean, it's that 27. It's still three solid years before he's 30. But I think we have, I think we have a solid backup tackle, which is a, which is a good thing

37:13when you have so many questions about your starting group. If you don't have backup either, you just have nothing. It's nice to have guys that you can trust. I've said this before when the Packers had their best offensive lines. Back in the day when like TJ Lang was a backup. I mean, we had starters as backups. It was unfreaking believable back in, I don't know, like 2015 or whatever year that was in that range. Like the best, our starters were just elite across the board. And we had like a two different starting caliber backups. It was the craziest offensive line in the world. If we can improve, if Morgan can be the dude, banks can just suck less. We can solve the center question. Belton is significantly better. And our right tackle in Zack Tom can come back healthy and be what he was. And we have a guy like Kenar that has a solid swing tackle. We are in such a better position than we that were or even thought we were

38:13going to be coming into the season. It's going to be night and day. There's going to be a question about, you know, a couple of those spots as well as backups on the interior again pending the draft. But Kenar does I think is a is a fantastic piece. Otherwise, you know, there's a lot of guys floating around. I mean, there's Donovan Jennings of 2024 UDFA. I mean, he's a lot of these guys are guys that their names kind of keep popping up. They're going to be second, third string guys for a while until you can find some other guys to kind of churn up the bottom that end up taking their spot. He's a young guy 24 years old. We'll see if he can, you know, provide anything. If you can add anything for us, but you know, again, when I say we need to get better as far as our depth on the interior, I'm kind of alluding to the fact that I'm not maybe a massive believer that Donovan Jennings is going to be able to provide us what we need. You know, he's had two years.

39:19He played one game. It went pretty well, but he played six snaps. So that's what he's been able to do as a starter. I'm not talking about preseason in his two years. We've got Dalton Cooper. That was a 2025 UDFA originally picked up by Kansas City and ended up with us six, seven, three, 15. I have no real expectation of anything coming of that. Carson Barnhart, I have, I mean, no notes. Travis Glover would be the last one. 25 years old. He actually, if I remember right, he was a sixth, yeah, sixth round pick. Kind of an unfortunate thing for him. I mean, listen, sixth round is literally the worst round

40:20just for the packet. I think when we looked at it, Gouda Kuntz has like zero production from the sixth round, like literally not a single productive thing from any sixth round pick. But it's still kind of sucks. You got seven round players coming out doing stuff. And as a sixth round pick, he's been on the team for two years. He played in three games, one game significantly, but they were all in 2024. He ended that with a 35 grade, 44 run blocking and 12 pass blocking, and then had zero snaps in 2025. So no, I don't, I don't think that anything is going to come of this pick from Travis Glover, another 323 pound massive human being. I go, I don't know why we can't get over that. Last several years has been, let's just get 32330 pound guys that on the offensive line and see if they can just mall people. And it's like, oh, I mean, they are big. They

41:20their ability to mall people, though, is certainly in question. But I'll tell you what, I, it's already 10 o'clock. I don't think I'm going to have time to do pack on it after dark. I mean, I can, but it'll be up at 11, 1130. So I'm just, I think I'm just going to end up skipping that. I apologize for that. It's all I got. It's planning on doing two, ended it with tight end, but I think we'll just stop it here. We're already at 40 minutes. So pending some kind of big news. We'll, we'll get into the tight end position tomorrow and possibly get into some of the defensive stuff as well. But otherwise, you guys have a good rest of your day. I'll talk to you later. Have a good one. Marketing is hard. But I'll tell you a little secret. It doesn't have to be. Let me point something

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