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2024年5月20日賴清德政府甫上任，就面臨朝小野大的國眾兩黨意圖以國會程序漏洞，不惜吃相難看，在不清點人數，用舉手表決之下，硬闖通過法案。本集邀請政治觀察作家謝達文，聊聊為什麼這只是個過程，我們不該絕望。
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