FRI PT 2: Bobby’s Most Viral Interview Moments

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3:12that show and it's been pretty crazy. So let's start now with our premiere episode whenever the Bobby Casc went on Netflix and it's Kenny Chesney. Kenny sat down and he was awesome because I said, hey, this is my first episode of Netflix, will you come in? He did and he crushed and the clipped of blue up here with him talking about his top five songs ever. Final question two of three. Of all of your songs, which song ended up being a monster that maybe he didn't quite think it would be? And I'm sure you have confidence in all of that. Yeah, but one that surprised me was save it for a rainy day. And I don't know that it was the biggest hit, but I didn't, I mean, it was on brand. I knew when I heard it, that it was on brand, if you will, and that it might be fun live. But when we kick into that today, I went, oh, wow, I mean, that was a real hit. There's that one. Well, I mean, the first time I heard when the sun goes down, I went, oh, yeah, that's going to work. I know that it's going to be an eight week number one, which it was, but I didn't know

4:15it was going to be that that surprised me. But I knew it was going to be, you know, good for us. You into Kila. I didn't know what it was going to do. But that song didn't even go number one. I had more number two records than probably any act in the, in the world. I mean, I've had like 14 or 15 songs that didn't hit number one that was a number two. Like no shoes, no shirt, no problems went to number two. There wasn't a number one. Nope. And it got stuck behind my friend, Jimmy Buffett and Alan Jackson's five o'clock somewhere for eight straight weeks. Wow. That's just bad. Same label. Piss me off. Oh, because they didn't make the call to go pull that one back. Yeah, let's listen a little bit. But that record was so hot they couldn't maneuver it. You know what I mean? You into Kila is a top five all time song for me. Oh, thank you. Yeah, it's not a top five Kenny song, like a top five all time song. Wow. Thank you. I mean, that song was, you know, I had that song recorded, but I didn't know who I wanted

5:21to sing on it. And I didn't want someone expected within the format was nothing wrong with that. I mean, that happens all the time. But I felt like that song was so special and little left to center for me. You know, I felt like that you into Kila, you could be in an Uber or a taxi or your own car somewhere in Italy or wherever in the world. And that song come on and it fit. And so it needed the voice, the, the, the, the perfect female voice to be that the young and the young of it, you know. And when I heard Grace Potter, I went, oh my God, that's the voice. I'd never met her. And I sent her you into Kila and less than three days later after I sent it to her, she was in Nashville on my birthday, March the 26th. And we were in the studio recording you doing our vocals on you into Kila. When you recorded it, do you think it'd be a single? Didn't know if it was going to be a single. No, had no idea. It was part of the Hemingway's Whiskey album.

6:23And we had no idea what was going to be the first single ended up being boys of fall was the first single off that because we released it in late summer. But you into Kila is one of my top five songs of mine. Oh, that's not all to the final question. Then do your top five songs of you. You do your top five songs. Five to one or one to five. It's probably easier to go one to five, right? But it changes. I mean, it's like it like you could ask me tomorrow. But you can't. Okay, but I'm asking you today and you open that up because I want to go on there. I want one through five. Kenny Chesney doing Kenny Chesney songs. Number one. Number one. Probably it would be old blue chair just because it's such a portrait of my soul. It was it stamped a time of my life where I was in the Virgin Islands. And I remember I was out. This was remember and I started writing this song at the right it New Year's Day. Well New Year's Eve, whatever. It was it was in 1999.

7:25There was this this person I forgot the names that the name that God had did this. But he predicted that the world was going to end at the at the year 2000. So everybody was just kind of like Y2K was also going to kill everybody. Yeah, like some that would not what was the last night. It was an austrodom. Yes, yes. I thought it was like somebody you knew. No, I didn't know what was like. No, no, no. No, no, no, no. Not my uncle. Oh, yeah. I'm not the president of the credit union again. I didn't know. Yeah, no, no, it's not my uncle but I got it, got it. So everybody the whole country was the whole world was kind of, oh, okay, well, this is going to be weird. And I thought, well, that's going to happen. I want to have fun. You know, so I was I was down in the Virgin Islands and I was I was, you know, having a blast. And the place that I rented had two blue wicker rock and chairs. And I stayed there for like three or four years. And I remember I came in from town and I had I had a cup that tall full about, you know, coconut ramen and diet coke.

8:25And I went out there and sat in that chair. And I was looking up at it was beautiful. And I was, you know, rock up right on the beach and I was looking up at the sky. There was a million stars in the sky. And I had to drink in between my legs and I fell asleep. And I woke up the next morning with the sun coming right over the hill and I was covered in mosquito bites. And that day I started to riding down the lyrics to old blue chair and finished it several months later. But that'd be, I mean, as a songwriter, that would be number one. Okay. Number two, number two would as a songwriter slash artist would be I go back. Number three would probably probably be there goes my life. Number four would probably be anything but mine. And then I don't know. There's like young summertime. Well, you said you had to kill us. Top five. You had to kill us to be five. But if I had to do another five, it would be young.

9:26It would be summertime. It would be safer for any day. It would be, I don't know. The, you know, the do it with pink was a lot of fun. I'm not forcing you to do a top other five. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Like if there's some alternates, we could put those in there. Yeah. And we were talking about before you got here, the, the sphere two. So those, after you do it the first time, I, I guess people have seen it. They want to come back. Yeah. Do you, do you feel like you need a promo? It is much narrower. Do you just feel like it's going to sell like crazy because the proof of concepts already there. Well, I mean, you got a promo, a promo for sure, but it's just such a unique experience. You know, I'm coming to this one. I'm coming to this one. Yeah. Please come. I just saw so many of my friends going like they were like, we're with kids like coaches that I know. Yeah. I got the, all these guys that are like my Dan Moell and I believe was at every show. But he let us, by the way, Dan Moellin, for those that don't know right now, he's the UNLV head coach, but he was a Florida. He was a television Mississippi state.

10:26He was, you know, a lot of places and he got, he got the gig at UNLV. So he let, he let me and Bailey come work out that we were, I worked out at UNLV's football facility every single day for a month and a half that I was in Vegas. So I would go into that backstage area, you know, I had a little area. We called the sock monkey lounge and I'd go in there and say how do people, you know, and nine times out of 10, I'd see Dan there. You know, it was like, that was the trade off. Next up is a moment that caught everybody off guard, former dancing with the stars host Tom Bergeron. Him and I had a talk and we kind of cleared the air about the comments he made after I won Dancing with the Stars. I want to lead with the first question. Why do you hate me? Now here's the thing. I don't know if you give, I don't know if you give titles to these podcasts, but in my mind, the title for this one is Friendship Cleanup on aisle two. Yeah. I love you. I never stopped loving you. You know, and I, I feel the same about you and, and I felt terrible that the way I phrased

11:32my honest surprise at your win. I think the question to me was, what's the most shocking elimination? Do you remember? And I honestly, I'm at the point where I hide my own Easter egg. So I couldn't remember a shocking elimination. And I wish I had said, well, this wasn't a shock, but it was a surprise when Bobby bones won. And I have to show you, because I rewatched that moment. This is your face. I wasn't the only one surprised, Bobby. So you know, but the fact that it hurt your feelings and that you sent your trophy back, I felt terrible about that. I was right out of a surgery. And I've, what's funny is, I've now talked about this because so many people have called and asked me about it. But I've said, I've said in every interview, I've said, I love Tom Bergeron. I've said, so, so that's never changed. But I had ankle surgery the day before and I really think I was messed up on pain medicine.

12:35I think that was a big factor in everything that I did and how I reacted. And I watched it back again right before the interview to see how it felt. And I think what hurt was, I wasn't even asked about. And maybe just in your head, it was such a shock. You thought the rules needed to be changed because I won the show. Well, I'll tell you, in all honesty, I knew in the moment that, I think I was going to think I even said you because I watched it again. And I said, as I was handing you in, Sean of the trophy, I said, you're the people's champion. And that was true. And it was true because, understandably, you were able to get your radio audience to vote on mass for you. I knew though, the producer part of my brain knew that this will probably cause the show and the real producers to give the judges a bit more of the sway. So in all candor, you won, according to the rules of the show at the time.

13:41But I knew that something would change and it did. And my argument with the rules changing was there just wasn't another example, really pre or post of my lightning and a bottle scenario. So I didn't feel like it really demanded a rule change because it hadn't happened a couple or three times out of five. It was such a weird and wild season. And I knew that. And I really, I gave it everything I had. Like I was working full time, was training longer hours than anybody else because I was so far behind. But I thought they shouldn't change the rules because this happens once. It's such an outlier. And what they did the next season was is they allow the judges to have a save. I don't know that was good anyway. I didn't mind that anyway. But I do take pride in making them change the rules. As you should, as you should. Yeah, you were the president. I mean, they didn't have outliers, but they were responding to again, in all candor, a

14:44significant response from a certain section of the audience and felt that they need to give the judges a little bit more oomph in the total process. So that's how it played out. I felt it was a good look for a couple of things. I thought it was a good look for anybody in the audio medium. So all my podcast listeners, all my radio listeners, that dedicated to long form content, right? To anybody that speaks in long form content, there's a relationship. And it's frankly how this podcast ended up on Netflix, right? We had such a following. The Netflix is like, we want that podcast. So there is such a, because I didn't have as many Instagram followers as a bunch of the people on the show, you know, there was a Lexus Ren who had millions because that was her thing. There was a few people that had more social media, but social media doesn't have the connection of long form audio. And I thought it was a testament. And I think now we're seeing that with podcasts to the relationship that somebody has in long form audio medium. And how they feel they know them.

15:45And we'll follow them places. We'll buy products that they are honest about. I thought it was a good look for that. Yeah. And this was, if my chronological memory is accurate, this is what 2018 that you want? That sounds about right 2018. That's about right. That's about right. So, you know, we've come a long way in terms of what social media is. And you can look at the, I just did the 20th anniversary show with them in November. And you know, most of the kind of bookings they're doing now, not all of them, but a good number of them are influencers, you know, through social media. That's taken on a weight that it didn't have even as recently as 2018. It was a fun year. And what it also helped me do was I had like a ton of television offers because people were like, we didn't know people cared. Let's address that because I think we both in separate appearances on Cheryl Burke's former podcast talked about this before they went to Tyra Banks to replace me, they went

16:48to you, right? Yes. But in full transparency, I was told you were leaving. It wasn't. I had to. They fired me. Well, that was not the conversation that they had with me. It was, hey, Tom is leaving at the end of this season. Would you want to come and host Dancing with Stars? I said, I think that would be great. But again, I like respected you so much. I was like, hey, can I talk to Tom and like get advice on this decision? And they were like, contractually, we don't think you should do that. They are such weasel sometimes, everything. Honestly, God. We're now going to go over to Megan Moroni, who obviously had a massive year. And this clip went super viral because she was talking about prepping for her tour and wearing a weighted vest to get in shape. When you're tour prepping or what did you say you were doing your tour? Tour prep, yeah. Tour prep. What does that mean? So no alcohol.

17:48And it's really, I'm like a week in a month out. So May 1st is when I really super duper lock in with like the diet stuff right now. It's just kind of been like, I'm not eating out. It's mostly like steak, fish, vegetables, like the boring stuff. It might get even crazier May 1st. We'll see. But anyways, it's like the diet aspect, no drinking. My rehearsals start tomorrow. I'll do all my rehearsals in a weighted vest. I've underestimated how sometimes my outfits, because sometimes my outfits weigh like 10 to 15 pounds. And when I've done the performance, I'm like, oh shit, like I am not in shape for this. So I'm rehearsing in a weighted vest. That's crazy. So this singing with a weighted vest on a treadmill doing that. Red light therapy. I was going to, I can't even get out of here with that. He actually gave me, he was like, I was asking him about it because he had a red light mat.

18:49And he was like, oh, do you want this one? I have an extra one. Just gave it to me. Like, absolutely. Yes. But it's the higher dose mat. So doing that every day, sauna and cold tub every day. But actually, this feels like it's such a positive grind, though. I don't think a lot of people would understand that it takes all of that, like for you to do all that just to get ready for this. Yeah. And I mean, I think it's, I obviously, oh, LaGrie too. Have you ever been to LaGrie? Yeah. It's like a crazy plot. That thing, it's like a plot, it's machine times eight. Yeah. And then go super slow and die the whole time. Like my legs fall asleep while I'm doing it. I'm like, I'm not sure this is good for me. But yeah, a lot of strength training too, but I think that I've never taken touring as serious, like as far as like the prep for it as I'm doing right now. But I want it to be the best show. And it's the biggest one yet. It's going to be the biggest, most involved show. So just really locking in.

19:50I had a doctor in here pretty recently. We were talking about red light therapy and red light therapy. We have a red light bed at the house, one of the beds. And you know, red light's great. And then the deep red light, which is what that bed is. And how I'm cynical towards everything at this point. I've been burned by everyone and cynical towards everything until I'm proven otherwise. Yeah, no, I'm super fun to be around. And so we were talking about, so why I started to believe that red light works because I had to see data to go. Because otherwise you're just laying in a look feeling like a tanning bed and you're not, you're not tan. That's not. You just laid a tan of every 20 minutes. You came out no tan or right. But there were these studies that nested it on plants, like broken plants. And they did a whole study with them under red light and a whole study with them not just under sunlight. And they healed back at such a faster rate under the red light than they did with sunlight.

20:51So I can't see it. Right. But I believe it. They said it's like, like laying out in the sun to do it better. So, but better, what'd you say? It's like vitamin D basically, like equivalent. I don't do that. I don't do that. I don't go to the sun. Yeah, I'm hoping that like the winter months in Nashville, because this is like, I just got it recently. So I'm hoping like in the winter months when it's like the seasonal depression comes out, I'll be like, no, me and my red light therapy is good. I have Tuesday depression. Have I told you about that? Yeah, have Tuesday depression. That's not going to the comments. Yeah. That always, when you're doing this tour, are you keeping like, how do you keep things as a surprise nowadays? By not telling anyone. At all though, like do you take everybody's phones? What do you mean? I don't know if you're even tor prepping or you're rehearsing. You'll say we rehearsing. Oh, rehearsing. Oh, everybody knows better. But how do you like not have random security people in there or?

21:51We just don't. We keep that locked down. I think too, like obviously my touring crew is expanding. I think they said I have 16 trucks this year. Holy crap. That's a lot of trucks. That's a lot of truck, you know what I hear? That's a lot of truck to pay for. Yeah. Yeah, but good for you for needing them also, like it's where it's both. Yeah. So obviously with that many trucks, there's a lot more people on tour, but a lot of my touring crew is the same they've been for a long time. So it's kind of just an understanding. Yeah, we have a good group. So you're doing 49. 49 shows on this tour. Is that true? That's what I see here. 49. It says maybe 49 in summer fest. I don't know. I thought it was 50, but maybe it's 49. 50 sounds better. So we'll go with that. And so if you're doing, okay, if that's say 50 shows, how is that different? Do you do different wardrobes every night? Or do you have that would be a secret?

22:54Love having cane brown in or friends. I feel like you can get comfortable. And so this one may be one of the most viral clips of the past couple of years. He was talking about finding out that he was biracial later in life. And you're here. He said he didn't even know he's black. So you're biracial. Were you wide or black growing up? I don't know what I was. I was just walking. I didn't know like really anything about races. But okay, but what friends did you have? I had one black friend and I know it sounds crazy, but I just thought he stayed in the sun longer than me. I didn't come on. I promise you. I promise you. That's not true. That's not true. Because if I don't go in the sun, I get super pale. I get so I was like, okay, cool. And then when I get in the sun, I get super dark. I just said, I didn't. Yeah. I know it sounds crazy, but I mean, I'm in the sun. I mean, it was a week here. So I'm like, I might be eight years old. And I didn't find out I was, I didn't find out of another race until I got called to

23:56N-Word in middle school. And then I went back home and said, what is that? And my mom told me and it took my little brother to tell me that I was, uh, have black. She didn't know. But I guess there was no memory. Never met my dad. And then my grand dad was my mom's dad. My, uh, I called him pop. He was with me every day. And he was just a white man. So that was, I did, I never asked. I never, I don't know what it was. Like he never got brought up. My fan, it was like my family just tried to completely ignore the fact and I'm a kid. So I'm not going to sit there and be like, where's my dad? Cause my pops are right there. And then I dimension, I had my stepdad in the picture too, which was my little brother's dad. And he was, he was with my mom. So it wasn't like a, there wasn't a man that wasn't in the house. So it wasn't necessarily me saying, where's my dad? Do you know your biological father now? Mm hmm. Do you have a relationship with him? No. And that's another, this is probably going to get brought up. It's going to bring some stuff up too. But, uh, yeah, I do not, he's been in prison since 96.

25:03And that's, that just goes to my, my, that's either family for me. It's kind of crazy. Um, love them. I've helped them out many times, but all they do is you'll help them out. Then they talk crap about you on social media when you don't. And it's like, I'm not, I'm not doing that. I've gave you, I've gave all of them multiple thousands of dollars. I've helped multiple, multiple get into houses that they needed to. I've paid rent. I've done so much. And then after if I don't, they just talk shit on Facebook and say, uh, I have all this money. And don't help no family members, but I'm all about family. Bobby bone. Just Bobby bone shit. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and health captive for nine months. I survived. And I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart. And these are the survivor files. And just remember, this low taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up.

26:07Don't say anything. Every week I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. Their story is about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to the survivor files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I choose option B. I'm Julie Beniero and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word Solita, trading the pity for possibility.

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29:17just two years? No, I was more afraid of being unhappy than I was broke and in a dead and job that I didn't enjoy. And I'm a feminist legend, Gloria Steinem. All of us were trying to express women's real lives. We need a meeting place of our own. And if I can contribute to that, I'd like to maintain that and leave this house for that purpose. Listen to She Pivots on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Self-care September is here, which means it's time to rethink what self-care actually means. Yes, self-care can be a long walk. It can be in everything shower. It can be putting your phone on, do not disturb. But sometimes it's actually about sitting with the uncomfortable stuff. And understanding your patterns, your boundaries, finally figuring out why you keep doing things that you swore you would never do again. I'm Gemma Speg, the host of the Psychology of your 20s podcast. And each week we unpack the psychology behind the experiences that shape your 20s, from relationships and friendships to money, anxiety, confidence, attachment, just becoming

30:20more comfortable with who you are. Unlike the quarter-life crisis which is depicted as the collapse, the quarter-life reinvention is the expansion and growth of something. When we develop the ability to be happy by ourselves, nobody else can take that from you. So this self-care September, don't just take care of yourself, get to know yourself as well. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This one was pretty intense, but it was super interesting. This is Maryana VanZeller talking about the cartel. And my question was, are there any basic white guys in America that are in the cartel? How active or how interested are cartels in middle, Midwest America? Because I think in California, and obviously in the big cities. I live in Nashville. That's such a good question. Are they there? Great question. I feel like that's a dumb question because I don't know.

31:20No, it's not a dumb question at all. So we did a story for the last season of traffic season five called cartel USA. Because the more I reported on the cartel, the more I realized that first there's an enormous presence of the cartel here, but also that it's not exactly what you expect. So I started realizing that there was a lot more presence of the cartel in small town America than most people know. We think of cartel. We think of drug distribution. We think of LA, New York, Chicago, big cities. And through my reporting, I started realizing, wait, this is not exactly the case. And also we think the cartel, and we think Mexicans living here, right? But I started realizing that was also not just that the case that there were actually American citizens working and collaborating for the cartel and part of the cartel. So we did that story. And yeah, one of the biggest revelations was we spent a lot of time with the cartel in small town America. In fact, the episode starts with a case in Georgia in a small town in Georgia was actually sort of in the woods where there was a woman who was killed by a member of a cartel.

32:23And it started a massive investigation. And they realized, again, that there was a massive presence of the cartel. And then in fact, they prefer small towns because there's less law enforcement. So there's less eyes on them. And they're able to sort of do their work distribution and selling the drugs much easier. So are there generic white dudes like me that are in the cartel in America? Yes. So one of the people we interviewed, that was my favorite interview. One of my favorite interviews I ever on traffic. It was a guy that we called Del Gringo because he was a Gringo. I get called that by all my Mexican friends. Because I live in Texas for a long time. I know that I was like, yes, that's me, yes. Yes. Yeah, we thought it was a brilliant name because he doesn't even speak a word of Spanish. And I don't even think he's been to Mexico. But he had connections with a cartel. He was involved in the drug business. And then they realized he was a really good distributor. But he was amazing when I asked him, so how do you distribute your drugs? Because he would get massive amounts of fentanyl meth, cocaine, whatever it was that the

33:23cartel had and wanted him to distribute. It's not as if he can ask, I want 10 kilos of cocaine, ship it to me. It's whatever the cartel decides. It's what he's going to be shipped. And once he has it, he has to figure out how to, you know, distribute across the US. And to his different buyers all over. A lot of them in small town America. And then he decided he realized that the best way to do this was through Delta airlines. It was actually commercial airlines, particularly Delta, because they have a really good weight fee, what a luggage, it's called a luggage baggage fee, which you can get like 70 pounds for free or something like that. So, and that's how he distributes most of his drugs, isn't it mind-blowing? How do they not notice what's going through? They cover it in something that doesn't allow the machines to see through. Are they scientifically advanced? I don't think the machines notice. I do think they're very scientifically, I'm not scientifically advanced, but they are very smart. I once filmed a fentanyl being wrapped up and hidden inside in a way that was not detectable

34:27in on the border crossing. And that was mind-blowing. How they use tin foil, so it's not detected by the machines, how they use like softener and coffee powder, so it's not detected by the dogs. And it was all this way that they can come across. And I think they possibly use, I didn't actually see them hiding the drugs in the case of El Bringo. But he says what he does is that he uses women a lot of the times, it's women carrying the bags. And a lot of times it's strippers, actually. I had a friend that was an Olympic athlete and what this reminds me of is steroids or any performance-nasing drugs, I should say, but I think it's easy to say steroids that he would say, if you got caught using Euras' dumb as a rock because the users were so far ahead of how they were trying to find the people using. They were month ahead. So if any trace of anything was found, you just didn't follow easy protocol to follow. Right. That the people that would get busted, he would be shocked. He would go, either they were so sloppy or that wasn't what it is, it was a trace of

35:31something else that was confused. And a bit it sounds like that where they know how they're searching, they're ahead of it a bit. So they're able to beat it. Yeah. And we are not even talking about corruption where a lot of times what happens. And this was instrumental in our whole reporting for cartel USA. I think it was the sort of scariest learning. Even more than the fact that they're Americans operating within the cartel and the fact that they're operating in small town America was realizing the extent of corruption that exists. You would not have the level of drugs in this country, distribution of drugs in this country, even if they come from Mexico without enormous level of corruption, everything from small town police offices and sheriff departments to federal agencies. And this was something that was corroborated not only with cartel people that I spoke to, but also with law enforcement agencies, agents themselves who said, it is a lot of things to do. It is known. This is happening. We got Luke Holmes here and the inside on songwriting and music, but really the clip was the parenting advice he gave me because we had not had our baby yet.

36:36Give me some advice. I'm about to have my first kid. Yep. Oh man. I don't even know. It's like just. Oh gosh. It don't. You just don't. It's gonna be so weird to say, but just. And this is, it's the absolute antithesis of like what you should do, but just don't worry about it, man. You can't, you can't really control it. I think it fear. It's gonna be. Yeah. It's just gonna be chaos. It's gonna, polar shift of your entire life. Everybody says that, but until you experience, I don't think you can understand that. And you can't, I don't understand that. You're never ready. You're not going to be ready. You'll be ready when it happens because you'll just have been. I mean, like this is a stark comparison, but like a soldier is never ready for war. And it's not the same thing, obviously, but like that's the only metaphor I can come up with. Like you're never ready to do that until you're there. And then you've done it. And then you're like, oh, I guess I can do this because I kind of have to. And like when you have the kid, it's like you got to go.

37:39And there's no other choice. Like the kid can't do anything for itself. Like your baby can't do anything for itself. I would say that my biggest piece of advice is that like the baby, the like baby with an infant that comes out, it does not need you in any way. Your wife needs you a lot though. Your wife is going to be so tired, it's going to be so exhausting because she's going through the same thing you're going through. But in it, there's also a physical element for her. Like her body is going to be completely different after this thing. And it's going to be like she's never experienced that before. And she's going to be dealing with all these new emotions and you're going to be going through all these things. So helping her and like helping her through it and doing everything to make her life as comfortable and easy as it can be through that process to me is the most benefit that you can be for the child because the child needs your wife. It does not need you. It needs you to help the wife so she can help the baby.

38:42You know, obviously you're going to hold it and feed it and be around obvious. That's obvious. But like it really benefits from that relationship with her in those formative months. And she's going to need a lot of support, man. She's going to be really tired and stressed and not getting enough sleep and you're not going to be getting good sleep. And you just got to be a team dude. You just can't like you can't ever like lash out at each other because it's like you're not, it's not it's not you versus the baby or you versus your wife. Like this is the new team. The new team has three players on it now. And it's like how do we how do we dish the ball like to the new teammate like how do we how do we get everybody involved. And that's your role like you're basically point guard. Don't ever shoot just pass. You know, I mean like you said everybody else said everybody up for success, man. You know what I mean? Like you're John Stockton out there, man. Like no, you don't need to get away. You got to give me a white guy. Am I that white or you can you can't give me just Paul.

39:42Yeah, okay. You're magic. Okay. You know what I mean? Fair enough. But yeah, you just got to that's the thing is you got to you just got to be there. You're like you're a support player basically. You're an offensive lineman. You're not ever going to score a touchdown. You're not ever going to run the ball for 80 yards. Like you just got to help the people that are doing that do it. You know what I mean? And the only other person doing it is your wife. So you just got to block for her basically. A really moving segment that went super viral was from Ashley McBride. The story that really popped from this episode was the moment that she realized that she was an alcoholic and knew she had to go to rehab. Things do get pretty emotional here. When you had and I saw the video like you said you're recreating. Yeah. Was that triggering for you at all? Like third take-ish, you know, and we were having we were trying to be lighthearted about it because everybody in the filming crew everybody at Warner is everybody at Cupron. Everybody's in the know.

40:44When I went away it was not because I got up and said, Hey guys, I think I have a problem and I should go away. It was intervention style. And so everybody knows that there's a chance that this is really, really hard on us. But we had we did good kind of lighthearted, blocked it a couple times. And by the time we filmed it for real, those bottles are full of apple cider vinegar, sweet tea, water. I have no idea what's in what the bottle I didn't fill them. So those reactions are real. And then the farther into it I got, being like looking in that mirror and then grabbing a bottle and then pouring it and then drinking the bottle and then drinking the drink and then being like bigger bottle, bigger glass, poor two, poor one for you, I'll drink it too. And then the faster I got into that and the more it got on my face and kind of everywhere I don't know what exactly I'm not a neuroscientist, but something clicked and went, oh no, we're doing, we're off the rails.

41:45So very last take, I'd be happy to send you the clip. As I was drinking and like, you know, throw on the trash can behind me, being silly, all of that stuff I looked into the mirror and then got scared. And then for some reason I started just kind of picking up on the set. I've already kicked stuff off the bed and kicked stuff off the nightstand. I started picking up and then I started crying and then I got in the bed. That's a prop bed and I got in it and cried and nobody said cut and nobody moved and then finally Brandon said, okay, cut and I tried to make a lot of it and I sat up and I said, oh, it's just like the real drunk me and I looked over in my team especially Sweet Dana who was, I mean, she's the glam artist best friend, assistant team and if I tear up, forgive me, just crocodile tears. I was like, oh no, I heard her again. Oh, do we have a tissue? I didn't realize that that would be, it'll stop. It always stops. That was tough.

42:48And what we follow that with is tough. Because we shot them one right after the other. So I messed up my makeup and did all that stuff and then we shot the bottle tells me so immediately. Same bedroom, same prop bed. Do you mind some Arkansas tissue, which is toilet paper? Yeah, no, I would love that. Yeah, okay, okay. I'm surprised I don't have a handkerchief in my pocket. And for those thinking that I'm insulting Arkansas, I also have a market saw. That is correct. Yeah, when I asked for an applicant at home, that means a paper towel. That is, that is another thing. Yeah, a paper towel is everything. Yes. That's interesting. This is a Viva. This is a really nice paper towel. And I definitely didn't. This got to be some kind of record going from everything. What? I really didn't plan to jump in. This heart is quick. I was just listening to the song and I was like, I really enjoy that lyric at the beginning and I knew what you were trying to establish by it. And so I just, because I was listening to it again right before you came in, but you talking about that, whenever you went in, because I had it from my mom and I had it a couple of

43:50times before she died. And it's never a fun thing. It was always a terrible thing. But she never stayed. She left every time. Yeah. She had the ability to do that. She, I check her in, but she's an adult. Technically I had the ability to leave. Did you ever want to? I kept being like, I can't do this. Like, I don't know where I am. I can't. Oh my God. I have to do this. I mean, I'm going to do it. They got me here. I'm going to do it. But I just kept being like, there's no way I'm doing this for 30 days. That's insane. I don't live under a bridge. I didn't hurt anybody. And now I can hear my other self going, oh, kid, sit down and shut up and put your seat belt on. Why do you think you stayed? I was going to die. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's the reason I had to go there intervention style.

44:50God, I wish we gave an award for Who Christ the most often. I woke up at another artist's house, another female artist. And if I told you who, you would not be shocked, of course. And I woke up in a bed. That's not mine. Impajamas that aren't mine. And I was like, oh my God, that must have been a doozy. I'm thirsty. I don't know where I am. And I don't know where water is. So I'll just go find water. When I went to find water, I found a living room. And in that living room was my team. Dana and John Peece and my day to day. And I said, I looked at them and that artist was also on the couch. And I said, okay. And I don't know where my boots are, but I need my boots. And they said, we need you to stop. And I said, I need me to stop too.

45:51And that was when I found out that she took me to her house that night after we'd been out to make sure I didn't die. But I didn't. Was there a point? Not was there. At what point later, did you appreciate how hard it was even for them to do that for you? There's so much that I look at now and all during the process. And I say funny, but I'm going to use that in kind of a loose term. I'd be at treatment and people would say, oh, I really like those shoes. And I'd go, thanks, they're not mine. And cute pajamas. And I was like, my clothes aren't even here yet. And when I think about Dana and Blakely having to go shopping and find me clothes and having to go through my stuff and to decide whether to tell my family. I cannot, I cannot fathom or make up for how much I put them through.

46:56And that's another reason to stay is I didn't die. And I have the chance right now. And yeah, I am hurting me, whatever. And I'm hurting them. And if this goes any farther, this is really, really ugly. This is like, they'll have to make a movie about it bad. So I just buckled down and decided, well, I'm here. And technically I can leave, but we're far enough out in the middle of nowhere that I wouldn't know what direction to go. Hi, I'm Ashley. I'm evidently a drunk. Evidently, you had to have that version first, right? I did. And when I was like, I don't, you know, filling out different, you know, they give you a worksheet. Can you list this in that? And they're like, how much do you drink? And I'm like, at a time, the same as everyone else. I just drink two glasses at a time. You haven't to go through that to illustrate to myself.

47:58And at the, you know, at first, you're like, okay, I'll fill out the worksheet, but whatever. Like again, I do my job. I do my job well. No one is hurt. I pay my bills. I think I'm okay. And then as you are filling out those worksheets and doing those talks and everything, you go, oh, I'm not. Okay. Oh my gosh. What a POS. And oh my God, that's me. How terrifying. And oh my God, that's me how sad. And all of that. Just looking at everything that you did and accomplished. And while being that ill. And what else could you have accomplished? If you hadn't been drunk. How rauded it feel coming out. Oh my God. And when I left, I went to a couple of my practitioners and therapists and I said, okay, when I leave here and I left on a Wednesday, Tuesday, when I leave here, you need me to never, ever,

49:03ever encounter alcohol again. I will leave here at noon. I will be around alcohol by 10 p.m. I will be in the bus. I've already fixed it at this time to where one of my buses, there is no alcohol, the other bus you can have alcohol on it. And I said, I'm not going to drink. I know that I won't. And you don't know me well enough to know that if I've made a decision, that's it. I need you to give me the tools to be around it tomorrow. It is our entire industry. It's one of the most loved and celebrated things about our industry. I built a career on it. I was literally before I ever popped on the scene, dubbed the whiskey-drinking badass. So now I need you to give me the tools to not do it. Still a lefty, one of our most viral episodes. I mean, TikTok went crazy. And it was just her talking about our song Boston and how it blew up overnight.

50:05That song did it blow up on your TikTok virally. Boston. Yeah. Is that where that song started to? Oh, yeah. That's where every song for me has started. Who did you write that one with? I wrote the chorus that alone when I was out here. And then I brought it to Grace and Joe, who's like my producer in Nashville. And then we finished it together. And did you sing just a chorus of it on TikTok? Yeah. You finished the whole song? No. No. Like on TikTok, the only thing I sang was like the first half of the chorus. So nothing else existed. So at the time the video was doing well, I was like, fuck, there's no song. You have success on an incomplete song? Yes. On like one line of a song. And I was like, there's literally no song. And I was like, I don't even know what the song is going to, like I didn't even have an idea of what this, like the verse was going to sound like. Was it just kind of a throw away when you wrote, because it was so limited. So did you just go, I'm just going to do this, put it up for something to post, or did

51:07you think I'm going to do this and if it works, I'll continue to grow it. No, I wasn't even thinking about it. I was honestly, like I just had a second to kill before I was going on a date. And so I, and I was like in Nashville to be writing and I hadn't written anything that day. And so I was like feeling like I needed to be more productive. And so I was like, I'll just sit at the piano and just see like whatever comes out. And then like go on the date and like, you know, do whatever else tomorrow. Like I'm sure I had like a session or whatever it was. But I, so I wasn't thinking about it. Like I wasn't thinking about anything. I really just posted the song because I was just in this phase where I was just posting all the time, which is I guess the phase I'm always in posting all the time. Do you do that now still? Do you have time to do that now? Yeah, I post all the time. Even as busy as it is. Yeah. Is it weird to kill it now? What do you mean? You're just killing it. You're killing it. You're selling it? Oh, to kill it? Yeah. Oh, I mean, I was like kill the song. I was like to get rid of songs. Um, no, it is, is it weird? Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. It's definitely weird. But I really don't, now there's like not so much time to even like think about that.

52:09You know, I'm more just like I want to like maintain what I had going on before of like the way that I was writing all the time. Like I want to just, I want to keep that. When you come to town, are you normally jam-packed because you don't live here and you're just getting, you got to do like 11 things. Yeah, now. Has today been a pack day? Yeah. Want me through it. Okay. What did we do? No, that's how you know it's packed. What did we do? It's honestly, it's a lot, it's, it's nice. Like I, we go into the, we, like I've been meeting a bunch of radio, like I've been going to a bunch of radio stations, which is really nice. Like I get to meet all these people or see people that I've met like during CMA fest, see them again. Um, but we did a CMA event for CMA EDU edge. Yeah, CMA EDU. Yeah, that's right. CMA EDU. But it was awesome. Like there was 50 students, um, there. So I sang for them, which was truly terrifying. Looking for people that are close and aged to you is like one of the scariest things in the world. Because? Well, it's just like, I don't, like none of us know how to act right now.

53:11I don't know how to act and I know that you don't know how to act. Like, you know what I mean? Because they're not gonna, like they don't, they're not singing back the words. And if they are singing back the words, it's like shy. And then I feel shy because you know, I'm like, oh my god. Yeah, that, that's shy on shy crime. That usually isn't good. Shy on shy crime. Is that good for like performance? No. Yeah. No, but especially like 50, you know, 20, something, you're old. So then how do you get through that? Do you fake it at first and then it catches up to you? Meaning? Yeah, yeah, definitely. But the good, like I really, I think with these songs, like I truly love these songs. So I don't feel like when I'm singing them, like I, a wave of happiness doesn't come over me. Not really. So then I do end up feeling better, but there's definitely a period where I'm like, oh my god. Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. And we're back on the Bobby cast.

54:12Do you enjoy performing now? I do. Like you found it. I feel it. I do enjoy it. But like I am so nervous every time before I get on stage in any setting, like freaking out. And I'm like, I'm not, I'm, I can't do it. I can't get on the stage. So for people who come in, a lot of times they bring in albums that mean a lot to them. And if you don't mind picking this one up here that you brought in, I'd love for you to tell me why you picked this and what it is and show the camera here. Do you? Well, no, you show, show it to our, for everybody watching on Netflix show, show them the album and where do I show this way? Yeah, yeah. And so talk, show, tell me what it is and why that album is it? Okay, this was really thought out because I am a huge loop com's man. And I've been a huge loop. This is for you. This one's for you. Not this is for you. You're who's on first in me right now. I don't, what, what? This is for me. This is for me. I don't know what you just said. I'm confused. No, I don't speak. No, I'm humble, but you just said this is for you, but this is for you. No, this is for you, but this one's for you. The album is called this one's for you.

55:12Okay, now we're there. Now we're there. Go ahead. So this one's for you, the album. You got to go out that for me. Yeah. That is so nice. Okay, now why did you pick that album? I promise this is for you. Um, I, okay, so I'm a huge loop home fan. And you know, when I was debating on like what album I felt like had the biggest weight and like was a no-scape album, you know, in my life, the first thought was like, okay, the first Taylor Swift album had a huge impact on my life. Like those were the first songs I ever learned had to play. Like, that's what made me fall in love with music. But then when I discovered loop homes when I was a freshman in high school, like my whole everything was changed. Like I only listened to this album every single song in this album, probably every single day for four years driving to school. And they are some of the best songs that have ever been written. And the final viral clip of this is Morgan Evans. And this is one of those where he's my friend. So I felt a little protective, but also I felt like I could go into places that maybe other people would not feel they could go.

56:14Man, this one turned into a fight online. This one got crazy. But it was Morgan Evans talking about the moment he found out that it's why Kelsey Ballerini wanted a divorce. When the divorce was finalized, how did that feel? When it was finalized? Ah, it did. It was like pretty, it was pretty surreal. I like it, it all happens super quick. What do you mean? I mean, from finding out that like that was what Kelsey wanted to do to like getting a lawyer and having a prenump and having three calls or four calls or something with the lawyer and signing the documents and the parking lot of the rhymin in the rain to like going home. You know, like that all happened in three and a half, four months and something like that. How did you find out she wanted a divorce? She told me. Yeah. Sit down.

57:15Let's have a talk. Yeah. Yeah. Where were you expecting that conversation? I was not expecting that conversation. And maybe that was me being naive, I don't know, but I definitely wasn't and talking about surprise. But yeah, that whole time is such a blow. Hey, like it almost feels like somebody else in just from where I'm sitting now. Like I just look back and I'm like, oh my God. It's just confused guy, you know. And I think even when I look back at like there was an interview that I did with you on when over for you came out and I look back at that guy doing that interview, sometimes it pops up on whatever social media. And I just look like I'm just like sad trying to make sense of where I'm at, you know. And that was, that was what that period was. I don't know that I should have been doing interviews at that point if I'm being honest. When I look at that guy, I'm like, oh my God. You were not like hitting me with hardball questions or anything.

58:16And I was just like, I'm just like really sad. So yeah, it was just kind of a whirlwind life changing moment. What do you tell your parents? After she says you want to get a divorce, you just calm. Hey guys, this is what's happening. Yeah. What do they say? I think they were kind of confused too because they've been there at the house with us. I make confused like timing but within like three months before that. And so they were kind of confused too. And like I said, they've been married for 45 years. They've been together since they're like 16 and 14 or something. So they don't really know much about breaking up and stuff like that. But yeah, I mean, super concerned for me. And obviously like wanting to make sure that I was okay. I think that was the general, the general sentiment. Did you write any music in the heart of your despair? Yeah, some.

59:18Was it good? Well, I say some. So there was like four months there where I didn't really write. But for the song over a few, that was the only song that I wrote during that period. And then... Which was a great song by the way. You came out and played it at our show that night. We set up some key. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, thank you. I love that song and the way people have reacted to that song have kind of changed the way that I think about how powerful music can be in a lot of ways. But yeah, I definitely wrote a lot of songs during that time about it. Or just about how I was feeling really. And a lot of that was like cathartic. And a lot of that was just like trying to express things that I didn't know had to express. Was any of it good though? Man, I have a hard time thinking real sad songs are good. See, I only think sad songs are good. That's the difference.

1:00:18It's funny. Like, it's funny you say that. I don't think that about other people's sad songs. Because I think to me, it's so easy. Like we could take any object in here. And you and I could write a sad song about it at a higher level than a happy song, I think, if we had like 20 minutes to write it. You know what I mean by that? And so I think as a songwriter, I've always had that in my mind of like, it seems like the easy way out. Unless it's a really real thing. Like over for you is a really, really real feeling for me. And the song things that we drink to was my long time manager passed suddenly. I wrote that on the day of his memorial service. And so I do have these sad songs that mean a lot. But generally on a normal day when I'm trying to express something, I'm trying to find the positive in it or look for at least a positive way to look at it, if that makes sense.

1:01:19With this new music. And you wrote a lot about your last few years, right? Yeah. Because of how you were, I feel unfairly written about, did you treat that a little more precious about what you were saying outwardly because you wanted it to represent the actual truth? Yeah. I was really thoughtful about the songs that I chose for this record from that period of time. You know, obviously wrote more than 11 songs in the last three years. But these 11 tracks to me, they all say something important on that journey of the last three years. So, you know, that was starting back in my hometown post wild, I wasca trip time. And yeah, all the way through the kind of stages of it and then, you know, finding the ground again and then, you know, building from there.

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