Former MLB reliever Matt Whiteside, and DMT trips!- h2

0:00Welcome back guys, DGS on Camelax happy gloomy Tuesday out there. This is my daughter's 21st birthday, so everyone have a drink tonight, a little salute to feed. About a year ago now, wheels took us to a place called All Star Performance in Kirkwood, an indoor baseball facility, and we had a great time, and we're just so much fun. And I had such a good time that it led me back to baseball, and I joined a 60 and over team, but light team, and it just, it's been a huge addition to my life in so many different ways. I just, I just absolutely love it. And that wouldn't have happened if we didn't go to All Star. And we have Matt Whiteside, who is the owner of All Star, former league, former major league reliever, 11 MLB seasons from 92 to 2005, Matt, very nice to meet you. Thanks for joining us today.

1:00Yeah, thanks for having me on, guys. So and thanks for letting us go to your facility. Like I said, it is meaningless to you, but it's a big deal to me because I hadn't played baseball in 30 years. I had just turned 60 years old, and I just went, I had so much fun fielding grounders and I could do it better than I thought I'd be able to, and I googled it and found out that there's a forever baseball league in St. Louis and now I'm on a team and having fun. Yeah, that's fantastic. But forever league, they practice, some of those guys practice at All Star also in the middle of the day. Interestingly enough, because they're so old they have nothing to do in the middle of the day. They're retired. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't say that, but they also have their own select, they also have their own selected of music that a lot of, I bet they do. See those, those guys call middle of the day dinner time, so three o'clock dinner, yeah. So Matt, first of all, I'm just fascinated by all things baseball, and especially MLB, and you're the closest to a normal guy I've ever talked to who was a big leagueer.

2:04So just kind of tell me your story, man. Yeah, well, I was, I say it was at the right spot at the right time a lot. I got drafted in the 25th round as a senior out of Arkansas State, and I was so highly thought of that the scout asked me to meet him at the Little Rock Airport. He had a connection between flights, and so I, I, I went over and met him and his name was Jim Dreyer. He said, he said, we got $1,000 for you to sign, and I said, I said, you think I could get my last semester of college paid for, and he said, I'll be right back, and this is so long ago that there has actually a telephone booth in the Little Rock Airport. He went over and he, he came back and he said, take it or leave it by sign, you know, sign immediately as fast as I could, and then week or two later jumped on a puddle jumper to boot Montana for rookie ball, and I got, I moved along pretty fast, you know, you're,

3:11when you get $1,000 of sign in your senior sign, then they're going to see if they have something, if not, they've got another draft coming the next year. So I ended up in A-Ball the next year, AA, in 92, AA, AAA, big leagues in 92, from Tulsa, they'll come to the city to, to the Rangers, and fast forward a couple of years when the interleague play came to the same, the same agent for the same scout, happened to be in Texas, and he, he came through and I said, hey, Jim, how are we doing? And he started talking, I said, do you remember that meeting we had in, in Little Rock where you supposedly went to, to make a phone call, he goes, I never know the number. That's awesome. I knew nothing about the business side of baseball leading up to that, but I learned fast. Oh, yeah. Matt, why do you think, why do you think you progress so quickly? Well, I was getting to say, I, the manager I had in rookie ball with name, bump, bump

4:11wheels, his dad was Mario wheels, you know, a 25th round draft pick, and there were about seven guys that were pitchers drafted ahead of me, they were on that team, I had to bump one day, I said, hey, do you think I'll get a chance to start? I was in the bullpen in Montana, and he said, he showed me the signing bonuses for each of the seven guys ahead of me, and that was his answer, he said, go down the bull, he said, go down to the bullpen, take the baseball every time I offer it to you, and we'll see what happens. And so, a couple of nights later he said, hey, you'll get loose, you're going to hit the first hitter. We were, we were just in the story by a team for Salt Lake. And so I sprinted to the bullpen and I said, boy, it's on, it took four pitches to hit the guy. The biggest brawl, the biggest brawl, then it's like, my only history happened. We leave Butte Montana that night and drive to Salt Lake, and he starts to be the next

5:12day against them. Oh, wow. So you threw it in four times? I'm missing the first three, how do you put them when you're trying to do it? So, so, so Bunk got moved to Gastoni North Carolina the next year, which was low A, and the pitching coach there, coach Strelitz was just a fantastic guy for me, Bump, had me in the bullpen. I was like the seventh inning guy, and there's a guy named Tim Wells out of Missouri State. That was a ninth round pick that was the closer. He blew his elbow out. Jose Cordona was a Dominican kid. He tore a peck muscle on a warm-up pitch to hit the, the radio booths, and so Bump said, hey, you're the closer to, you know, do the best you can with it. So I saved 29 games in a row that year, in low A, and in the off season, there was a talk

6:15about me going to Florida State League, which would have been high A, but the, the pitching coach in spring training, I say spot, he argued with the minor league director Marty Scott and goes, I'm taking Matt to double A with me. So he ended up winning, I skipped over the Florida State League. I opened up as the closer there, I saved 21 games in Tulsa, eight straight in Oklahoma City, and then I got called up August 5th, 1992. And can you even explain that emotion, getting called up? Well, no, actually, I probably can't. I mean, I was, you know, on cloud nine. I was doing well. I was getting pushed along, being an older guy, or at that time older for the, for the levels that I was at, and I, I, I, I went into the office and he goes, uh, hey, you're getting, you're going up to Texas. And he said, Pack everything you got, okay, I just really couldn't believe it. I had like two bags in my hand, I get on a plane, I get off the plane, go to a stadium

7:18in Arlington, the old stadium, and I walked in, not really knowing where I was going, but they directed me into the clubhouse coordinator, and he was like, hey, let me take you out to your locker. And I turned around and Nolan Ryan's walking into his office. And so the first person I met, I'd never been to big league camp. I didn't know a soul. So the first person I met was Nolan, and he said, hey, Nolan, you know, Matt, I'm like, he doesn't know me. I know that. So, uh, so I go out, you know, you go to your locker, then there's these clubhouse kids all over the place that are wanting to, you know, set up your locker for you, just all the things that would happen in a big league clubhouse that you're unaware of, if you haven't been there. We go out, go through batting practice, go down to the bullpen, and I sat in the farthest corner from everybody so that I could just like listen and be seen, but not like, intercheck too much. And in the sixth inning, they got me up to warm up, no, in the fifth inning, got up to

8:18warm up, sat down, warmed up again in the sixth inning, sat down, warmed up in the seventh, they said, you got the, you got the seventh inning, first 30 hitters are required and say go and sign back. Welcome to the big league, buddy. Wow. I think it went pretty well, though. Yeah, so I get the ball back from Dean Palmer, the third basin, and, you know, in the minor league, you can look up into the outfield and just kind of gather your thoughts and, yeah, you know, just kind of go through your routine. I look up in the outfield and there's Mark McGuire's face, he's got, he's in 289, he's got 24 homers and 89 RBI's in his like August script, like, all right, I'll take a change with plan. This isn't working. So, okay, I got, I got two ground balls in a pop out, came off the field, and nowhere shook my hand, good job, kid, and kind of went from there. Man, that's fantastic. That's just so cool, so cool. And so, did you go from baseball to all-star, did you have something in between?

9:22You know, at the end of my career, I was asked a couple times if I wanted to be a part of an organization and coach, and I said no because I didn't want to get back on a bus again and work my way back, you know, ride the bus to the minor leagues. So, yeah, I started off star performance in 2007, we were at a smaller location. Over, over at Kirkwood, and then, yeah, so I started there, we moved in 2011 to the current location, and we've been doing it ever since. Yeah, 2007, that's when I met Matt is, I first got here, and I think it was January, right, Matt, because I forget who it was, but somebody sent out like a general press release and said, hey, recently retired major leagueers, got a baseball school, open for interviews, would you like him? I'm like, that's, I was like, fun, and that's it. I mean, that's, that's how you and I got to know each other, and then not long after that, you were silly enough to let me coach with you guys. Yeah, I think it was Carol and the well, and I don't remember how I got in touch with her,

10:25but she, yeah, there was a little press release, and then you and I started having interviews. Like, I would literally drive from, I would drive from all-star over to KMOX on Thursday night, like, I'm going to clock and then spring back. They would do this between pitching lessons. So he would finish a pitching lesson, leave a little gap, drive downtown to KMOX, sit in studio with me for 15, 20 minutes, and then turn around and get back for his next lesson. Very cool. Very cool. It was free average, I was free average, I think, so it was. Yeah. So, and then we, and then so in 2008, we started our gamers baseball program, and it, as it grew, we needed, you know, one and more good guys that were baseball guys and coaches, and so we asked Kevin if he wanted to coach with us, and he's been doing ever since. You know, being an older guy now, I sound so crazy to say, 61 on him, 61. I grew up in a little town in Illinois.

11:25I promised you I never had a baseball coach who wasn't holding a beer, so when I see the kids working out now, I'm really impressed and I'm really jealous because at 61, I can tell you the instincts that I learned at 12, they're still there, like the muscle memory is still there. I can't do them all, but it's kind of amazing to me, just like, oh, this, I remember this, I remember a three hopper, and when I watch these kids who are training now, I mean, they're better than I ever was. They're like 11, 14 years old. It really is impressive what you guys do. Thank you. It's changed. I mean, it's changed dramatically in the last five years, but from the time we started this until now, you know, the technology, the day, you guys are familiar with it, it's just crazy. But I think about that all the time, like, man, I was a three-fourth athlete in a one-stop light town in Southeast Missouri, and who you were competing against, right, whoever

12:29was in that small community, and then the other smaller communities around you, but where you're in St. Louis, you're competing against really good players at your age across the city. So, we're fortunate to be able to work with a lot of good athletes, a lot of talented kids, but you're right. I mean, the habits that you learn as a young 8, 9, 10, 11, 12-year-olds, if they're taught correctly, then they can continue to build on those throughout their high school college and hopefully professional careers. Matt, can you hang on for one more segment through a break? Yeah, for sure. Sure. Cool. Talking about a white side, buddy of wheels, former MLB pitcher, he owns all-star performance out in Kirkwood, Big Fan of that place. And we'll come back. We'll talk to Matt a little bit more about MLB and talk a little Cardinal's baseball. And look at the memories, wherever they want to dress as a bright blue sky. Now and then.

13:34Welcome back guys, DG S on KMLX. Our guest is Matt Whiteside, former MLB pitcher, he's the owner of all-star performance, where wheels does his coaching. It's in Kirkwood. If you have a youngster who wants to play baseball, get him to all-star. And Matt, I wanted to ask you this. So I didn't play in the MLB, but I've had a pretty cool 25-year career in radio and had good success at it. But it's still a job sometimes, and like, oh, man, I'd rather lay in my couch or whatever. Is it ever like that in the MLB? Like was it magic until the year last day? Or is it like anything else? Like it's 162 games at some point, you're like, damn, I wish I had a day off here. You're really good question. I tried to enjoy every moment on and off the field, and sometimes that got me in trouble.

14:35I would say it was a job when I was in Philadelphia in 1998. That's the year I would like to forget, but other than that now, you kind of pinch yourself once while you're realizing teammates that you're playing with, the careers that they've had, the opponents that you're pitching against, the travel, but it's just, I never really think of it as a job. I worked hard at it. Like it was a job, but I'd never felt like it was a job. Yeah. What struggles, if any, did you have, like, again, I'm a hacker. But I've always, if I catch the first grounder, I'm not going to miss all day. I'll be doing backflips if the first one goes between my legs, I'm kind of useless. So I always felt a little weak mentally, like was there anything throughout your career that you struggled with physically or mentally? Well, you can look at the back of my baseball card and know I struggled a lot. I can pinpoint it, but you have a baseball card.

15:40That's a really good question, and I talked to young guys about this all the time. So in 1991, I got called up, right, in 1992, I faced the A's. I had a really good two-month stint, like the 190 R.A. and I faced Maguire, Tansaco, Puckett, Griffey, I mean, on and on, and when I got to the end of that season, I kind of reflected on I was like, gosh, I don't like the way I feel out there. Like, do I really belong kind of nervous and wondering if you actually were supposed to be there to just have a stretch or good luck? So I got, I had been reading a book called The Mentally Be Seeds of Pitching and written by Harvey Dorfman. Somehow, I found a way to get on the phone with him, and he gave me a, he took my call. We talked for 45 minutes, and basically he gave me a couple things to do to try to, you know, go to confidence in yourself, how you talk to yourself internally, and he had me right on a three by five card.

16:41Three things was I'm a legally pitcher, I control the running game, and I throw three pitches for strikes. And he said, put that in places that you'll see frequently, so put it in your car, put it in the locker by your glove, put it in the mirror in the bathroom, and say when you see those, repeat those comments to yourself. And then taught me how to visualize, and so I'd go to the bathroom stall 30 minutes before every game, close my eyes, do a deep breathing routine, and see myself executing those pitches in the stadium that we were at. And it was a way to put yourself in the moment that you're potentially going to be in in the future. It's exhausting to do that every day for a 17 year career, like I would be more tired at the end of the season mentally than I was physically by just going through that routine. Do what I tell you guys, it's like you can't use it as a crutch. So when things are going good and you've got a two week scoreless street going and everything is working, that's not the exact reason why.

17:42And when it goes bad and you can't get anybody out, and you get sit back to triple A, you still have to follow the middle routine because it's not a crutch, it's just a tool to try to help you keep the highs from getting too high and the lows from getting too low. So yes, to answer your question, I, in the 90s, it wasn't something you really talked about. You didn't want the general manager pitching coach or you were nervous and had a, you know, but they all had sports psychologist. Nowadays, I mean, high school teams have them, college teams have them, they're, you know, it's pretty prevalent. And the middle game has talked about a lot. But at that point, it wasn't, it definitely wasn't something you wanted to admit. Yeah. Different world, right? Different world. And now every team, employees, people that do those things and it's just a common, like understood thing. In fact, it's so common, Matt, that we're teaching it to, you know, teenagers. It's, it's such a regular thing. Hey, Rach, can we go to 30 here? Yeah, that's fine. Okay. Matt, we only have a couple of minutes left.

18:42But I always wanted to ask someone this, who trains kids? If you can, I know it's not like literally mathematics. But when you're watching young players, how often do you just go, that kid's got it. Like how much is what God put in and how much is hard work? So, two-part answer, the kid named Matt Virling with the CBC, Notre Dame, is with the Tigers last year. I gave him a lesson when he was 11 years old and I told him I said, don't let anybody ever change the way you throw the baseball. It was one of the first lessons I did in St. Louis in 2007. So that is the just athletic talent God bless. I have a thorough believer that baseball is a game where the size and stature doesn't really matter if you work hard at it, if you have a good skill set that you can have climbed the ladder and have success in the sport. I think it's, you know, a game that you can continue to work on the skill set, continue

19:43to work on your body physically and that you can improve and make strides and games over a period of time where you can be competitive on the field. Yeah, it's a great mix, right? I mean, you can think of all the years, Matt, whether it's the team USA stuff that we did or, you know, just in general, you'll see guys that are like you talked about with Matt Virling, like, okay, this kid even at 11, you can see he's different, he moves a certain way. He's got this skill. And the other ones too, though, they show up and maybe they're a little skinny, they're a little small. But then five years down the road with work in the weight room and all that, they're where they want to be. It happens every year. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can definitely see the guys that, you know, they just, God put their finger on them with a lesson with arm strength and foot speed and back speed. But the ones that are the most impressive to me are the ones that they hit puberty late. They've had to work really hard and compete their butt off to keep up. And then, but they're really skilled, meaning they're hands are good.

20:44They turn it over play, good bat to ball contact ratio, all that stuff. Then when their body catches up with their skill, they have come really good baseball players. It's just a grind for a lot of them to go through that as young kids that haven't hit puberty yet and grown. So that's Matt Whiteside, he's the owner of all star performance. I can't suggest strongly enough if you guys have a young baseball player. Check out all star performance, Matt. I'd love to have you on the show on a regular basis. Thank you so much. This was really fun. I'd love it. I'd love it. Yeah. I'd love talking baseball. You guys are great. I'm available anytime. All right, pal. Thanks. Take care, guys. The first step on the fuel is a kiss. You chose everything you got. You keep on dancing. Now the room gets hot. We'll drop us wild. We'll drop you crazy. Well, Matt Mangy asks 236. That was great. I could talk to Matt for four hours.

21:48I'm mad at two people today for very different reasons. And I probably don't have a good reason for either of them, but I'm going to share it. First is Kevin O'Leary. Mr. Wonderful. I don't know who he is, the rich guy that said if a shark tank guy, right? A man doesn't make $400,000 a year. He's worthless. Oh, man. There's a lot of worthless men out there. I mean, like 99% of them, yeah. So he's just a, and he showed up at the recent award show wearing a big giant necklace that had a Pokemon card in it that was worth $19 million or $20 million or something. And I just hate him. I'm going to spring break this spring training this weekend for a week and I'll go to nice dinners. I could go to McDonald's and I could give that extra 50 or 70 bucks to homeless people.

22:51I do what I can and now and then I splurge on myself. I think there's a big difference between that and wearing a $20 million necklace when there are people out there starving. Plus I hate him. And the second person for completely opposite reasons is Cameron Burray. What's her from full house? Yeah, DJ. She's very, very religious and I'm scrolling my phone last night and in my little Apple news, whatever it is, it says, uh, Candace Cameron Burray has one sexual pecadello that she really gives her trouble and like, I've got to read this. I've got to find out what her sex king is. And then I see that it's, she feels embarrassed to have sex in front of God and like, go outside and practice falling down. My God. Is there a bigger virtue signaling than that?

23:53And then all the commoners are like, well, it's a beautiful gift given to us by our Lord. I'm like, all of you shut up. If you just shut your GD mouths up, go be better than me somewhere else. So embarrassed about doing this thing that I was made to do. So that's who I'm at it. Yeah, that's, that's rough. That's a hell of a signal right there. Yeah, I think you're justified in both cases. I feel better if they reverse the reasons. I get that God is omnipresent, but it is a little, maybe you have a little bit of hubris going on if you think that like when you're getting it on with your husband, God's like, hey, hey, look, look, look at what she's doing. You got to do. Yeah, like I think he's probably doing other things. You know, there's a lot of things happening in the world, probably taking his focus more than that. I learned something really interesting during Pete Hegg's sets update on how the war in

24:56Iran is going. And I see that we sunk their crown jewel battleship, a submarine, sunk it with a torpedo. And if this is true, what they said, that's the first time a sub has taken out his ship since World War II. And I get it, I get it deterrence, I get it, but think of all the hundreds of subs we've had and all the thousands and thousands of sailors and when we never sunk a ship. Yeah. Well, we haven't really had sea-based warfare. No. I mean, the last thing that might have been close and, you know, the details of it based on history are not always the greatest, but yet the Gulf of Tonkin. But there are those that would say that was maybe not as real as you thought. Yeah. I thought that was really something though. There is a retreat, scientific retreat set up for people to do DMT and communicate with

26:06non-human entities. There's a group of people out there, scientists, we like to get wide, who believe that there is a commonality and a predictability to when you do DMT and you commune with these otherworldly beings. And they believe that they are truly communicating with aliens or not, you know, multidimensional beings or something like that. So they've set up this place where they do it and they study it and they track it and they record it to learn. Are they just having a hallucination or are they really communicating with these beings? I think that's fascinating. How would you prove it? Because it's all happening in your head. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying it's not real. That's not my point. It's just, how do you prove it? Even if it was like, even if it was like, oh, you know, 200 people had the exact same

27:10experience that doesn't necessarily prove that you're communicating with an interdimensional being. It just proves that that's what our brain does when it's exposed to these kind of substances. So I mean, if they want to study it, fine, but I don't know. Stuff like that when people are like, bro, we're about to bust this whole thing wide open. I'm like, I don't know. We'll see. I mean, if they could, it would be fascinating. Right. You know, it's not, you're not, would you want to do it? Would I want to do it? If you became convinced that you could take DMT and communicate with a non-human being. Yeah. That sounds cool. How long does, how long are you on DMT? Anywhere between 10 minutes and 30 minutes. But does it feel longer? Is it one of those? Yeah, I think so. So your time, yeah, it distorts your perception of time. Yes. I guess I would try it. I don't see why not. Man, I went down a rabbit hole the other night on Salvia.

28:11Have you heard of that? Yes. And just these horror stories about how people experience not just lifetimes, but like multiple lifetimes as like a wooden fence. They were a wooden fence for 500 years, even though they were only under the influence for maybe 20 minutes. Oh. Yeah, I've never heard of anyone having a good experience with it. I think the people I've met who have tried it have all been like, I didn't have fun. What if it's, I wonder if it's just a different control when it's controlled in a lab where people know what they're doing, you know, the right dosage, whatever, the right purity. I have no idea, I have no idea what goes into that. But I wonder if it would be different in terms of, because I know what you're talking about, Rachel's like, people like freak out, they lose, they get, you know, they get scared and whatever. You get heart rate elevates, it's not, it can be a bad thing. I wonder if they're able to control that in the lab setting. I definitely wouldn't want to just try it.

29:14Speaking of the war in Iran, the son of the last Iatola that we killed is supposedly going to be the next Iatola. And Israel and America both said, yeah, step on up. We'll kill you too. Man, can you imagine just having that big a target on your back? It's not a job I would want. It's not a long term job. Yeah. That, not, you're not going to retire in that position. No, you're not getting, you're never going to see your pension. Also I have a complaint about AI, AI to my knowledge has brought me no happiness. But it's ruining a lot of things for me. Like five years ago, if I saw, oh, there's big foot footage, I'm all over it. I'm watching it, I'm analyzing it. Is this CGI? Do I think this is real? I get 50 of those a day now and it's tough and I don't watch any of them.

30:16It's like, it's obviously fake because if it were real, it would be news. Right? Do you think you're the only person that has this? If that was a real discovery, that would be everywhere. You see that same thing they say they show the, there's always fake AI videos, TikTok, Facebook, even Twitter where it's like, there's a bear, like, you know, you saw the one with the grandma on the bear, but like there's a, not only saw it, I believed it. There's an animal attacking someone and it's not real, you know, it's, it's, it's clearly fake. I don't know if you guys saw this over the weekend, but there was a photo circulating online and it was like, through the window of the White House, Donald Trump is yelling at Pete had, yeah, that's all right. And I was immediately like, this looks like AI. First of all, how would a photographer get in this position? Why would they be yelling right in front of the window? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But so many people were falling for it.

31:16Well, it turns out it's, it's not real. It's not real. Tell me. There's so much discourse of like, man, headsets messed up, so bad, even Trump's going after him. It's like, no, it's, guys, it's not real. Yeah, I fell for it. Did you? Yeah, I didn't know it was real until just now when he said that. Now I didn't really give, put much stock in it. I wasn't like, wow, the White House is melting down. So I just figure he's constantly screaming at everybody because, I mean, that's fair. Even the people who love, who work for him and love him are like, yeah, he screams at me all day. It's great. And so I didn't really put that stock into it, but I did not know that that was a fake photo until just now when you said that. That's funny. No, I remember I wrote down on my show sheet. Should this, shouldn't someone stop this old woman from feeding this bear? Like I was going to bring that in on the show. And I brought it up to one of you and you're like, yeah, that's, that's it. So when stopped this old woman from crossing this glass bridge, I see a lot of the videos. I see a lot of videos where they're like, it's, it's like people jumping off a cliff

32:20and falling like 500 feet into a like a net. Like it's on purpose. And then they bounce back. I'm like, why are you even bothering with this? Like everybody knows that's not real. I feel bad. Why would you, why would you, I feel bad for professional pranksters? Yeah. Because it's ever is that we're going to be done for. They're out of business now. They're out of business. What are you going to do? It's better than AI. She's done standing in the rain. So this is our opening song on April 17th at Del Mar Hall. You can get tickets at DelMar Hall dot com. There should be a link on our Facebook page. Yep. April 17th, Friday, my band day, Dubie Brothers tribute and an Eric Clapton tribute. And Del Mar Hall is a cool room. And all the guys are going to be there. We're going to have a great time. I was supposed to start in seven, but I've decided that I'm not going to come out to late 15. I think the show starts at eight. Oh, damn it. There goes my whole plan.

33:21You'll see me at nine forty five. Remember when actually you should do that all time. Yeah, you only get to do that though when you're the last band. Yeah, people famously loved him for it. So I know there's the, yeah, it's the worst dude, like people famously thought that I was really cool with him and, yeah, it's thirty. He's not even out. No, I guarantee you know, I liked it. You know, that's one thing that's big. I've noticed anyway, it's a big difference when I've been to shows lately versus twenty thirty years ago. They run more on time. I know it's, it's sharp. And like, I don't know if it's the bands are more professional because, you know, there's a little bit more like they take better care of themselves, they eat better, the things like, I don't know if it's that or if it's just because everything is so modern in technology, the technology is easier. Well, I'll tell you, stage setups are maybe better. If you're playing for an older crowd, they're not going to wait for you. If it says eight, they're there at six forty and ready for you to start. That's funny. Did the big riot at Riverport with guns and roses back in the nineties, did that make

34:26an impact on you? Oh, it was a national story for sure. Yeah, yeah, we all, and we all were like, well, we know he's a jerk, but it's still great. Music, like it's a great show. When they first came back here, it was the one at the dome. That was the first time they'd been back here since, and he made a few jokes about it. Hey, like apologies and also joking, yeah, we haven't been here in a while. Yeah. I know the guy who we jumped on, Stumpy, yeah, yeah, he used to do the show all the time. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah, that's not a great idea. I don't know what those, I mean, obviously, you know, drugs and alcohol are powerful motivators. Like what exactly do you think you're going to do by jumping into the crowd? If I was wearing that myself, yeah, like, you know, there are a lot of people there. No, unless they're all just going to be like, okay, go ahead, get that guy. I don't know. Would you guys ever crowd surf? Yes, I have done that. Was it fun? Not really. It's fun until you get dropped. Where people grab in the places you wish they weren't. Thankfully, no. Thankfully, no. It's good.

35:26I mean, they're going to, you know, like they're going to be a butt grab. I don't think that's a big problem. There is going to be a butt grab. Like it's going to happen because of the position that you're in, you know, it's, and it's also like the center of your grass, your mass, uh, center of your mass is your ass. And uh, we're on your back or your front? Uh, it's on the back. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not surfing on the front. Man. I don't need any of that nonsense. I don't need any of that nonsense. Is that what you fall? Is that a party foul if you surfed on your belly? I mean, I think most people would be like, just let them fall. I'm fall. Yeah. Wasn't that fun? Yeah. Twice. Or a few seconds and then you fall really hard and hit your ass. It's not that fun. And you're a big mosh pit guy, right? Yeah. Like that. Back in the day, like that. Have you ever seen the walls of death? No. Oh, it's when they, they, they, it's a big thing. You like you separate everybody in the pit and you all got an opposite sides. And then when the song drops and the good stuff comes, you charge each other. It's so incredible. Oh, it's so, it's so much fun. It's so much fun. Oh, it's so much fun. Oh, it's so much fun. It's so much fun. It's so much fun. It's so much fun. It's so much fun. It's so much fun.