February 17, 2007: UFO Activity - James Gilliland

0:00From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening. Good morning. Good afternoon. Wherever you may be in the cosmos and all its collective time zones each and everyone covered by this program coast to coast AM I'm Art Bell. And it certainly is my honor and privilege to be here to escort you through the weekend. It's going to be a pretty good night. James Gilliland in the in the next hour. This hour will do unscreened lines, which means you dial and let it ring till I answer. But then when I do, you turn down your radio right away. I can instantly as you hear me answer the phone. And then the rules are pretty simple. The interesting people get airtime. The others probably fall away pretty quickly. So that's the measure of airtime. Generally, of course you could have a short and sweet and very important message, I suppose. All right, we'll look

1:01at the webcam tonight. A little more of a tease. You may recall, I went and saw the incredible Robert Bigelow Aerospace Facility. And that's another little tease photograph. I'm taking the the less important photographs as well. Although it's really a cool photograph in a lot of ways. This is a photograph that I took over the shoulder of the helicopter pilot as we were approaching the mountain range between here and Las Vegas. And I think it's a very, very cool shot. You let me know what you think. All right. We'll look at the world briefly. Very briefly. Democrats fail in bid to vote on search. The Senate gridlocked on the Iraq war in a sharply worded showdown Saturday as Republicans foiled a Democratic bid to repudiate President Bush's deployment of 21,500 additional combat troops. Now

2:07the vote was 5634. That would fall for short of the 60. They needed to do it. Democratic presidential hopefuls in the Senate cast symbolic vote Saturday against President Bush's effort to boot a boost troop levels in Iraq. Amid calls by campaign rivals for Congress to embrace far stronger measures to end the war. Senator John McCain skipped the vote. He is campaigning in Iowa. Perhaps more productive for him. I have always been a fan of Senator McCain's and I know many of you are as well. Looks like he's running. He's going to be a very, very strong contender. It's going to be an interesting presidential race. Don't you think a woman? John McCain? A black man? And a whole field really. By the time they all get done, who knows how many will be in there. But it's going to be a very, very

3:09interesting presidential race. And I perhaps one of the most interesting in our collective lifetimes, I would imagine. A man accused of roughing up a Nobel laureate in San Francisco at a hotel earlier this month was arrested Saturday. Montgomery Township Police arrested Eric Hunt, 22 of Sussex County, New Jersey at 130 PM Eastern, phases charges that include attempted kidnapping, false imprisonment, child abuse, stalking, battery, commission of a hate crime. It's quite a list. The mere idea that US soldiers on leave from Iraq see Rio's carnival as a free-floating sex party has Brazilians totally outraged. A report in Britain's The Guardian newspaper that American soldiers are looking to Rio for R&R. Now, especially the sex tourism part, prompted many Brazilians to say the gringos have got it all

4:10wrong. That might come from what's on gringo TV all the time. I mean, that's what it looks like down there, right? Britney Spears. Now, what has she done to herself? She appeared in a tattoo parlor in San Fernando Valley with her head shaved completely bald. Video on KBC television showed the newly shorn spears with tiny tattoos on the back of her neck as she sits Friday night for a new tattoo, a pair of red and pink lips. Why would Britney Spears do that? Anna Nicole Smith imbombing completed. And that's as much as I'm going to read. The TV has been haunted. Haunted, I tell you, all week long by Anna Nicole Smith. Now I know there's $500 million at the issue here, I suppose. But I'm sick and tired of

5:19that story. And I, you know, I've hardly seen it. I haven't been watching a lot of television. We've been very, very busy here at Bill House. But every time you turn it on, it's haunted by Anna Nicole Smith. Enough said. Next time you dread a trip to the dentist, consider the plight of poor Tuscany the elephant. This one caught my eye. It took veterinarians and a dentist nearly five hours Saturday to remove what was left of an elephant's infected tusk at the organ zoo. It took a chain saw, hand saws, as well as a drill that can punch through concrete to do the job. I hope, I hope there was some numbing available. Anyway, by the way, Chinese New Year is upon us. It is the year of the pig. Now, the pig is not a celebrated character most places. You know, I mean, there's, you know, he eats like a pig. He's a pig. She's

6:25a pig, whatever. But actually, the year of the pig, I read, and this is the year of the golden pig. The Chinese New Year, this is very special. Comes about every 60 or 600 years, depending upon what you believe. And it is said that children born in the year of the pig have wealth, success. And so the Chinese are getting their wives pregnant as quickly as they can. They all want children in the year of the pig. And so I guess that bodes well for the little bell on the way. In a moment, we'll look at a little of the rest of the news. Very interesting, a delta two rocket lifted five NASA satellites, science satellites into space Saturday evening from Cape Canaveral. Now, that launch had been delayed by a day of upper level winds. The strong winds would have affected the rockets path. Probes are part of a mission to figure out

7:27the source of powerful geomagnetic sub storms in the Earth's atmosphere. Scientists hope the $200 million mission will somehow unravel the mystery behind these storms that can damage communication satellites, disable power grids, and shoot high levels of radiation down on spacewalking astronauts and airplane passengers flying over northern latitudes. Scientists believe they also periodically intensify these particular light shows called the Northern Lights, or if you will, Aurora, Borealis. For 30 years, people have tried to understand what causes the onset of these sub storms. However, I guess we still don't. It's still elusive. We just don't know. And I thought we did. I thought we understood that when the Sun erupted eight minutes later or so, we would get the first particles. And then no, I don't know, 24 to 36 hours later, the heavier, slower particles that would cause all of this. I'm not sure what they

8:28mean by sub storms. At any rate, scientists apparently are having a great debate about what causes these sub storms, so-called. And this spacecraft with many satellites is supposed to settle the argument at a cost of only $200 million. This was an interesting email that led me to do a little research. Art, I'm sure you've already heard about this, and it was true I had. But this story broke at the end of CBS News on February 12th, and it made my hair stand on and bees are disappearing from 22 states in the US, not dying, disappearing, vanishing, no little bee bodies, no apparent predation, no obvious bee disease. The report and video both mentioned that bee pollination is the only way that many crops are able to be pollinated, of course. This on top of crop loss from weather and so forth could be pointing to a serious loss of crops

9:31apply here in the US, and no mention of any bee loss in the rest of the world, scary, and mysterious. So looking a little closer, something is killing the nation's honey bees, that's for sure. Dave Hackenberg of Central Pennsylvania had 3,000 hives, and figures now, he's lost all but about 800, that's from 3,800. In labs at Pennsylvania State University, the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture and elsewhere in the nation, researchers have been stunned by the number of calls about the mysterious losses every day you hear of another operator who's lost the bees, is just causing so much death so quickly it's startling. At stake is the work the honey bees do, and it's non-trivial, they pollinate more than 15 billion dollars worth of US crops, including Pennsylvania's Apple Harvest, the fourth largest in the nation, worth 45 million, New Jersey's

10:32cranberries and blueberries. While a few crops, oh like corn, wheat are pollinated by the wind, most crops actually need bees, and without them, crop yields would fall dramatically. Agronomous estimate that America, Americans rather, oh, one in three bites of all your food to bees. Now that's what we're thinking about. We Americans, oh, one in three bites of food to bees. The problem caps 20 years of honey bee was, including two mites that killed the valuable insect in a predatory beetle that attacked the honeycombs of weak or dead colonies. A Marianne Frazier, who does this work for a living, says it's by far the most alarming. One of the first to notice the latest eye off was Hackenberg, somebody named Hackenberg who lives in Lewisburg, north of Harrisburg, in Union City, in a sun truck about 3,000 hives up and down

11:36the east coast. And as was mentioned, they are down now to about 800. So as if we didn't need something else to worry about, there you have it, one in three bites of food, you can thank the bees. And the bees are mysteriously, strangely, bizarrely, simply disappearing. The long-term, long-term, rather, stability of the massive ice sheets of Antarctica, which have the potential to raise sea levels by hundreds of meters, has now been called into question with the discovery of fast-moving rivers of water sliding beneath their base. This is bad. Scientists analyzing satellite data were absolutely astonished to discover the size of the vast lakes and river systems flowing beneath the Antarctic ice sheets. And of course, they're worried they may lubricate the movement of the glaciers as they flow into the surrounding sea. So in other words, if you can

12:40picture it in your mind, you've got these large ice sheets, but now you've got these rivers, these vast areas of moving water beneath them. And what they're virtually worried about is that the whole mess is going to slide into the sea so much to worry about these days, global warming, no matter what the cause you happen to believe of it is, whether it's a natural cyclic thing, or it's, you know, it's the hand of man. It doesn't really matter. It's occurring in the wake of global warming and the genetic manipulation of seeds. A lot of countries now around the world are starting seed banks. That's a pretty good idea. Latest seed bank, and when they begin seed banks, I would say we should worry, because they're worried. They're spending money on saving seeds for the worst. Latest seed bank will freeze seeds inside a mountain in Norway called

13:42Salve Bard, where the lay frozen and dry, even if glaciers melt sea levels rise in the worst happen. CNN quotes agricultural expert Kerry Fowler as saying quote, it will be the best freezer in the world by several orders of magnitude. The seeds will be safe there for decades. It's a place that's a safety back up, and we hope we never have to use it, but I hope they don't too. This from Whitley Strieber is unknown country as well. You wouldn't know it from reading the national news, but local news outlets all over the country are reporting UFO sightings. We are having a flap. There's no question about it. Tonight's guest, I'm sure, will expand on that. He talks about UFOs, but they're being seen all over the world. UFO sightings, in this case, that look very much like the famous Phoenix lights that were seen by hundreds of people about 10 years ago now. Has it really been

14:4210 years? In the main sun journal, Maggie Gill Austin quotes Sheriff's Department of Smatcher Bill Hoyt as saying quote, the phone was ringing off the hook. People were seeing a string of seven or eight lights very low in the sky that were fixed. There also were reports of jet engine noise low to the ground. Hoyt called the FAA and was able to rule out any military exercises. So what were they? Well, nobody knows. All right, we're going to go to unscreened open lines. Now, and again, that means that you have to turn your radio off immediately, as you hear me say, you're on the air. It also means that you must be interesting. You must have something of some magnitude to say. West of the Rockies, the number 1-800-618-8255. Listen carefully now. East of the Rockies, that's a lot of territory. 1-800-825-5033.

15:46If you are a first time caller, we love them. It's area code 818-501-4721-4721, but you can only use that once in your life. The wildcard line, and there are many of those, so your chance of getting through there is pretty good. Area code 818-501-409. And finally, if you're outside the country, we have an international line. Get hold of your operator and have her dial for you. If you're outside the country, it's 800-893-0903. That said, let us go explore. Wildcard line, you are on the air. Hi. Hello. My name is Matt. I'm just calling because I want to tell you I agree with you about 9-11.

16:46I don't think our president or any other president would like to see the towers get bombed. But I do think that it's a shame that these workers who went down there breathing all those toxic fumes and all the dust and the government's not doing the whole lot to help them out. You know what surprised me? I was talking to somebody else earlier today about that, and it's that if you recall correctly about, well, it was within hours, literally within hours of the 9-11 disaster. They were saying, oh, the air is fine. Now, that's crazy. Let's think about this from folks. Buildings containing a lot of asbestos, a lot of just unimaginable amounts of chemicals burned, crashed, infected the air. It was so thick that breathing apparatus was required. And within a day or

17:50two, the government was saying, oh, oh, the air, the air is okay. Well, as we all know now, there have been substantial numbers of people who have come down with terrible lung disease. From breathing that air, and I just, I don't understand how they could say the air was okay. Maybe somebody did some measurement somewhere, and it said it was breathable. I don't know, but it's quite a stretch. And even I have a very difficult time believing that all was well. Just literally, what, 24 or 48 hours after the buildings came down no way. First time color line, you're on the air. Hi, Art. Hello. Hi. Yes. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm on the air right now. Yes, that's when I say you're on the air. That has me. Yeah, I'm leaving the room right now. I turn my radio off.

18:52All right, go ahead. I know you talk about shadow people and stuff all the time. Yes. And I think the doctor's office. And they always have this deceased by the white board, and they have deceased persons on the air. But then they have their records room, and I show, I saw a shadow like that went up from, I mean, it's probably, it's probably an eight-foot ceiling, but then went over it. And it looked like the grim reaper or something. And I don't wonder what you think about that. I don't know what to think about that. It is, it is logicalized hose that in a place where a number of people have died, whether that would be a hospital where a doctor's office, I don't think that many died in a doctor's office, but certainly in a

19:53hospital where surgical operations are going on and where you have critical care units in place, and people are, you know, they die all the time. It happens. If in fact, we go on, and we don't quite go all the way on right away, and I do believe that. I have good reason to believe that. Then yes, you might have seen somebody who has passed away. And they might appear to you as a shadow person. That is to say, somebody now in another dimension, sort of, I'm Art Bell. Mysterious and disconcerting, David in Oregon City, Oregon adds, Ed Dame said the bees would die off, do you remember, aren't? Said they'd go blind, something about a change in the sun. And to be fair, Ed Dame's did say that about the bees, and what's the latest news about the bees? Well, we're not sure, but they are mysteriously

20:56disappearing. We'll be right back. Or the last thing in the world we want is for Ed Dame's to be right about nearly anything, but he may be calling this one. Bees, all of a sudden, how weird is that? Wild card line three, you're on the air. Hi. My name is Gary. Hello, Gary. And, pardon? I said hello. I have a prediction. Soyer was talking to the man in our end. And when she was asking about war and stuff like that, he directed his talk to her about springtime. So I think in springtime, this spring, something's going to happen over in Iran or Iraq because George Bush or 20,000 fojas over there. And when that happens, there's going to be a lot of soldiers that's going to be in harm's way. And with that many soldiers over there overseas, other countries will take a

22:01advantage of that. I don't disagree with you. I think that we're about to do something in Iran. All the signs point to eminent action with respect to Iran. Now, I think it would be a terrible mistake for us. On the other hand, we, the world, really cannot let them get the bomb. Can we? It's a damned if you do, and probably close to extinction, if you don't. So I'm not sure what I would do if I was president. And are you really sure what you would do? If you saw Iran on the verge of getting the bomb, or perhaps making a deal with Korea and obtaining one right away, what would you do if you were president? And before criticizing what any president does, I think it's well worthwhile to sit for a moment and try and imagine yourself being responsible

23:03for the safety and welfare of the American people. What would you do under those circumstances or some others you could name? East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Good evening, Art. This is Wally in Abelene, Texas. Hi, Wally. And several times in the past, you've shared your story about you had the urge about your car and the desire to, or the urge that you needed to move it, and then I guess somebody rammed in behind it shortly afterwards. Yeah, I got to actually watch them go down the sidewalk, get in the car, start it up, slam it in the reverse and hit my car. Well, this week I was shopping for new cars, and I just got a sudden urge like, or the salesman was with me, and as I walked up to this car, I said, is this a thinking feeling that you better check this car for gas? I mean, you better check, it was just an overwhelming urge. Well, the car was so pinned in, so tight and the lot, and as soon as I started it, of course, I'm checking mirrors to back out and everything,

24:03and I didn't even check for gas, and as soon as we got out on the subway, as soon as we got out on the freeway, it ran out, and of course, fortunately, fortunately, we didn't end up like your car did, but we got to pull it off and got back to the dealership, and anyway, is this so strange how that urge just came over me? No, it's not strange. It seems strange to you, because you didn't listen to it, and then you registered in your brain, and then you didn't listen to it, you got out of the freeway, and boy, it happened. It's not strange, though. I think that a lot of us have these a lot of times. Now, what I had was not subtle, and that's a very important point. What I had was, it was like giant ocean waves crashing over my brain again and again and again, each time getting stronger, until finally, I would say a nasty word and get up and go and look

25:08at my car. It wasn't really interested. I just was forced to do it by these strong emotions, these strong, that's the only way I can describe it, like crashing ocean waves, something you just totally can't ignore. Most times, it's much more subtle than that, and you know something's going to happen, but you discard the feeling, and then it happens. How many times has that happened to you? Those who learn to listen to their inner selves, it sounds kind of new agey, right? Listen to your inner self, but those who learn to listen to their inner selves, have a great deal more success in life, in whatever they endeavor to do. It's fascinating. First time color line, you're on the air. Going once, going twice, gone. West of the Rockies, you're on the air. Good morning. Hi, this is Gloria from Portland. Hi Gloria. I'm calling, in fact, about, it has to do with this precognitive experience that you had with

26:09your car. Okay. And in reference to a guest, you had a couple of weeks ago, who was the woman scientist? Yes. Yes. It was so frustrating to me to listen to her that I couldn't continue to listen to the program, but I just wanted to say that I admire so much the way you handle your guests, and I know that... Why was it frustrating to you? To me, because everything has to be proven, and I'm convinced that science can't prove everything. Well, I am, too. Yeah. And what I wanted to say was that I appreciate so much, and I noticed that you asked the very questions many times that I would ask. And I think most of your listeners would agree that you are a great intermediary for all of us. And I really appreciate the diplomacy and the restraint you use with guests that you may disagree with, but you are so tactful and you have such

27:14appropriate questions. Thank you. That's a very high level compliment for me. I really, really appreciate it. It is a high level compliment for me. That is what I try to do. I try to anticipate, I guess, and that should be the mark of any decent interviewer. You ask the questions that should be occurring to the audience out there at about the same time, and then follow up on them. And one important element in all of that is listening to what your guest or your caller actually is saying that that leads down some very leads down some very interesting roads. Let's put it that way. So no matter who they are, whether I agree or disagree with them really does not matter. There is, however, something I would like to note that that's going on. And that is that people who disagree with you, no matter what the subject, conclude that you're bad at what you do.

28:15Now, a person's interviewing skills are what they are. Good, bad, or indifferent. And their opinions are something else altogether. And I guess it takes some measure of intellect to discern between the two. That is to say, between an opinion that you might or might not agree with. And their skill at doing their job, no matter who they happen to encounter. That may seem a little difficult to understand, but those who need to hear it, I'm sure understand. At Wildcard Line 2, you're on the air. Hi. Hi, I'm Mark. I talk very well from Canada. Hey, Mark. How are you doing tonight? You must have your hands busy doing the phones like this. I'm just fine. Okay. I was just calling. I wonder if you ever heard of anybody speaking of like a UFO as a blue orb that may have left like a trail or like a blue line behind it as it went across the sky. It sounds me as though that's what you saw. That is what I experienced. Just one evening

29:19in northern Pennsylvania, they're coming down south through New York State. Just one of those across the state line, there's a slight gray in it. I wouldn't say a mountain with a pair of hills. And those are climbing the hill I saw from the left. A big blue orb with a long, streaking tail almost like a, as if you played with a glowing stick on a fire and you swinging around. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. I've seen many of the same sort. I've seen green orbs if you want to call them that. A glowing balls of almost plasma that leave a trail behind them. Blue ones. Now look, most times, more times than not. I guess it's fair to call them UFOs because they're unidentified flying objects or they appear to be flying. Probably the majority of them are meteorites. And you know, that's a fair and reasonable thing to say. And I'm sure it's also true, but not all of them are. Some of them are moving in

30:20ways that meteorites or aircraft, if you will, simply don't move in. And that's a problem that we run into in uphology. And that is that it's easily debunked because, of course, the majority of the reports are something else. The majority of the reports are not real UFOs. And even I violate my own dictate real UFOs. What's a real UFO? A real unidentified flying object. I guess I'm trying to say something either man-made or not man-made as in not human made. There are some of those out there, but they are in the distinct minority. And most of what we see like that truck driver, I'm sure is probably a meteorite. Though even those, I caution everybody. Look, until you get the smoking rock as it were. Don't say you only saw a meteorite because you don't know that.

31:23Hello there. What's to the Rockies? You're on the air. Hi, this is John. Hi, John. Hey, it's a pleasure to speak to you. Good to have you. Where are you? I'm from Wisconsin. Okay. I got a shadow person story that I want to tell you. We're getting a lot of that. Okay. Okay. Actually, I told this story to George a couple of weeks ago on our Friday night, but I wanted to tell you this story. Okay. Okay. Well, actually I'm 25 years old, but it began in 1989. I was eight. I was eight years old then. And it was either on a Saturday or a Sunday during either the spring or the summer or the fall. And I was sitting in the living room. And I was getting up and I was walking to my bedroom. And I was walking down the hallway. And before the hallway starts, there's the kitchen. And as I was walking down the hallway out of the corner, my red eye, I saw like a black shadow. So I turned and I was looking towards

32:29the kitchen. And out of the kitchen window, I could see a black shadow. Out of the window, another without sign. Yeah. It was. Yeah. The shadow was on the outside of the window. And when I looked at the shadow, it quit duck down. But the freaky thing about it was part of its forehead was still sticking up from behind the window. And I was sitting there and I was staring at it. And I was rubbing my eyes and everything. After a duck down, part of the forehead was still showing. Yes. Exactly. And I didn't tell my mom or my dad or my sisters because you know, I'm a eight-year-old child. So they would probably start either I was lying or I was seeing things. Now flash forward to a couple of weeks later, it was again like a sunny weekend day. And I went back inside. And I was sitting in my and I was sitting in the living room again in a rocking chair watching

33:31watching TV. And I could feel, you know, that feeling that you get when there's someone watching you. Oh, yes. I turned behind my right. My I turned behind my right shoulder because I could feel so I could feel someone watching me. I didn't think anything of it. I thought that I was going to see like, you know, one of my sisters or my mom or my dad. And I saw that black shadow again. And I jumped onto my chair and I was spinning around and I was thinking this is it. I'm going to spin around and the shadow's going to be like right in front of me. But when I finally spun around, it was gone. Now at this point, I'm thinking either I'm nuts or I'm really seeing this thing. So I didn't so I didn't tell anyone about it. Now sometime after that, it was finally at night and I was sleeping in in my bedroom. Okay, we're almost out of time here. Okay. I'll just I'll just I'll say this part. I was sleeping in my bedroom and I could feel something pushing on the corner

34:32of of my bed. And I woke up and I and I saw that and I saw that shadow person again. And yes, again, now this is the kicker. A couple weeks after I saw that, my mom and dad got into an argument. So my dad slept in my bed and I slept on the living room couch and I could and I woke up and I heard the scream. And and when I woke up, I didn't see anything. And then a couple of minutes later, I could hear my mom and dad talking at the kitchen table. Your dad had seen it. Yes. And he and he said the same thing. He was sleeping and he woke up and he saw a shadow man pushing on the end of the bed. Okay. Well, obviously, you have been visited and are perhaps still being visited. I don't know. This whole shadow person thing began how many years ago now? And it just seems as though it has it's grown and grown and grown and grown. And I'm not sure what we have on our hands here. But if I had to guess, I'd say we're getting little slips into other

35:40dimensional realities. And occasionally when these shadow people are seen or they recognize the fact that they're being seen, they suddenly are gone. Again, I have no idea what it is. But just guessing, I'd say we're getting an occasional little slip and some other dimensional reality of some sort to wild card line four. You're on the air. Hello. Yes. Hello. Oh, hi. How are you doing? I'm doing fine. I was listening to the radio. Turn your radio. Turn your radio off, sir. Okay, it is off. Okay, good. Now proceed. Okay, I just I just have a story that I'd like to tell you. This was about I want to say about I don't know, seven years ago. Yes, sir. I was driving home from work. And I'm going on the B shift. It was about, I'd say about a little after midnight. I seen a yellow star up in the

36:42in the up in the sky. A yellow star? A yellow star. I kid you not. This sounds crazy, but I seen it on a movie, actually. I started blinking my headlights on and off on and off to see if I would attract it. And sure enough, I kid you not. This thing started coming my way. Starting coming towards my car. This thing got so close to my car. Don't get me wrong. It was about three, four hundred feet up in the air, but it got so close to my car that I started going home because this was in my old neighborhood. I started going home. I'm looking out of my windows and this thing is hovering over my car following me home. So what I did is it's crazy. I go home. My parents are like, you know, what's wrong with you? Looks like you just seen a ghost. I told them what happened. They laughed it off. My brother laughed it off. So my brother really started bugging me about it, laughing it off. And I said, hey, listen, get in the car. Let's go see if it's

37:42there. He gets in the car. We go to the same spot. Sure enough, that same yellow star is in the sky, okay? And this time he sees it. Yeah, so he sees it. And he goes, oh, that's nothing. That's just, I don't know what that is. That's just the star and that's just the star or something. I go, yeah, watch this. I started blinking the lights again. That light. And let me guess. Here it comes. And here it comes. My brother, what did your brother say? My younger brother goes, oh, my god. He goes, is that starting to come our way? I go, yes, it is. I go, did it to me a little while ago? He goes, oh, man, maybe we should get, maybe we should move back or get out of here. I go, no, no, let's see what happens. Sure enough, this thing comes right over the freaking car. A three, four hundred feet up a year again. And it's hovering over us. It was cigar shaped, who was like all gray and like black with only a couple of lights on it. And my brother got out of the car, ran to a neighbor's house. He was ready to ring the doorbell. And this was like

38:46one o'clock in the morning. He's ready to ring the doorbell. And from that kind of commotion, this thing just took off. It just took off slowly. And then just just like hyperspace. You know what I mean? Yes. So what do you, what do you conclude that I have no clue? I don't know if it was some kind of, I don't know, this is the only experience I've ever had with like with some kind of identify as flying object. Well, it sounds to me like you're telling the truth. Oh, I am. Yeah, you are. I can tell from your voice. You're just telling me the truth. Now, do you think that you saw something from somewhere else? I don't know. It's weird because this thing was, see me, it's my brother ran across the street to the neighbors, ready to ring the doorbell. I was standing right outside my driver's side door outside of my car. And I was just standing there waiting for it to do something. And as I'm doing that, my brother's screaming, get rid of it,

39:46get rid of it. You know, my brother's younger at the time. Yeah, you seem, I've got a scoot here because we're at the top of the hour, but it sounds very much to me. So you're absolutely telling the truth. Now, what you saw, what kind of encounter you had and why it cooperated with your flashing light and followed you, I don't know. Be fun to talk to your brother though. I'm Art Bell. Indeed, it would seem so. Hi, everybody. You know, I'm not going to dismiss these shadow person stories. Maybe we ought to get back into it when you get such a massive, uncalled for. That is to say, I didn't stir anything up kind of response. And it just comes and comes and comes. It means something's going on. Now, some people get fed up with it kind of like those stories. I've heard enough ghost stories. Well, when you get shadow person, shadow person, shadow person again and again and again, it means something's happening. And it's, you know, it's well worth looking into. And if it's increasing, it means something's going on. So there would be no other program, no other

40:46national program that would deal with this sort of thing. And if there's a lot of this going on. Hello, something is going on. We'll look into it. I'll try and figure out how to dig deeper. Coming up in a moment, James Gilleland is an internationally known speaker, minister, visionary, author of two books reunion, resource, and becoming God's two. He is the director of the Self-Mastery Earth Institute, East City, if you will, lighten contact with extra terrestrial intelligence after a near death experience. He returned with what he refers to as interdimensional mind. That is to say, the ability to move beyond the body, personality and other planes and dimensions throughout the multiverse. This includes the ability to experience different timelines and future probabilities. He is dedicated to the awakening of all of humanity and the Earth, as well as engineering and ushering in new healing and Earth-friendly technologies. He's a very

41:53interesting guy. He's been seeing UFOs and helping other people see UFOs for a very long time now, so he's just the right guy to have on. With this incredible UFO flap we've got going on around the world right now. In a moment, James Gilleland. I guess James qualifies as a fairly frequent guest on coast. And the reason for that is he's very, very interesting. James, welcome to the program, back to the program. Oh, thanks for having me on again, Art. Absolutely. Good to have you, and it's good to have you right in the middle of this giant UFO flap. I haven't been able to say that in years. You know, we went through a lot of quiet years, James, but they are back in force. We're getting sightings all over the place. What do you think? I think in our last interview, I talked about this, that it was up and coming, and that the real disclosure was going to come from the sky, not so much from the ground, although I totally commend the work doing, you know, the people are doing the disclosure work on the ground, and opening the door for that. But the real support

42:59for that work and the real disclosure is actually going to be coming from the skies, and it's going to increase exponentially. Well, well, first of all, it's increasing right now. So is it what's happening right now? What you're talking about? No, it's going to continue to increase. It's going to get even more and more and more so until it's just going to be undeniable around the world. Okay. Why now, James? Well, a lot of it has to do with the shift that we're going through right now, where it's part of our evolutionary process to join the rest of the universe. And, you know, they're very concerned at where we're going right now, especially with the wars and the nuclear problems. You say this as you speak for them. Do you? Well, I would say I speak for, you know, all humanity and all life. You know, they're just a greater, the greater family of man you might say. I don't like to have any handles, but you might say I'm kind of an ambassador. Okay. Well, then let's say that if in fact it's true. Have you been in direct communication with

44:08them? Yes, I have. Then that that qualifies you, I guess, as an ambassador. This communication is ongoing now. It's ongoing. It's been going on for 10 years intensely, probably about 15 years. And I had contacts ever since I was a child, but I didn't really understand the nature of the contacts until until later on. You had an NDE, right? Yeah, death. Yeah. That that seemed to open the door for these contacts. And and after the near death experience, there's about probably 30 years of intense training, meditation techniques and training with yogis and llamas and and a lot of inner sensitivity training classes and in ministerial classes as well. Okay. What is it that's going on in the history of our planet right now? And as far as mortals are concerned, it's a long history that that is bringing it to what you believe to be a peak and disclosure as you put it from

45:09the sky. Well, what's the history that we're taught in school is just a mere blip, you know, in the history of humanity because we've been around for almost 28 million years and a lot of your guests have been pointing to this. They've been finding, you know, all kinds of artifacts, some of them are 50 million years old, you know, gold, gold chains and coal and things of that nature. So we've been around for quite a long time and the earth has gone through many cataclysm where we pretty much had to start over primitives or or the earth was receded. So there's been a colonization program and a receding program going on on the earth for quite a few million years. It doesn't just go back to the, you know, the 6000 years that the bible is trying to tell us, you know, all right. What when let's define they, if you are an ambassador for them, who specifically are they? There's a lot of different groups here. Some of the photos on

46:12your website show just some of the diverse groups, but some come from the endrometers. They come from the doctorate system. They come from the Orion system, the Platy system. Those are probably the most well-known. It's the ones from the Platy system. And there's many many systems. I think it's office and Tari and there's, you know, the Zadas, which are getting the most press, the little, the little grays with the black eyes. And I tend to avoid that group. What is that group? There's a lot of controversy about what grays are. A little biological engineered bots of some sort or independent intelligence of some kind or what are, what do you say grays are? I think there's different groups of grays. There's a lot of hybridization going on and there's some tall grays, which I think are the ancient, the original ones. And then a lot of the other ones are little ebies that are running around. They're just biological robots

47:17performing certain tasks. So that's where a lot of the abduction phenomenon comes from and a lot of the other contacts. All right. And why are the abductions going on? What is it there trying to learn from the abductions? Well, mainly that group is dying. They're atrophy and they went straight into knowledge. And they didn't care about their physical bodies or emotions and actually bred emotions out of their race. So they have very large heads and very small necks and the rest of their bodies very spindly. And they made a serious mistake in their evolutionary process, you might say, because emotions are the life force. It's what keeps everything together. It's like the cosmic glue, you might say. So they made a serious mistake there. And so they're trying to breed emotions and a stronger vehicle again. When you say breed, does that mean when somebody is abducted, they become part of some sort of breeding experiment ongoing?

48:21Pretty much. It's been going on for a long time, probably over 500 years, but it's tailoring off right now. You're not hearing too much of it going on anymore because the benevolence are coming in and it's coming to a close. You're right about that. Don't mean to interrupt, but you're really right about that. We have not had much in the way we're certainly having a giant UFO flap, but we're not getting an abduction flap. I'm not hearing about abductions. I mean, look, we went through past years where abduction after abduction after abduction, I interviewed, as you know, one very interesting abductee recently, but other than that, there hadn't been much going on with abductions. Have they given up? Well, they've pretty much gotten what they needed and the more benevolent ones are coming in, so it's part of our evolutionary process that in the beginning, there's an old saying, the mind in which you seek is the mind in which you connect. So we still are pretty primitive

49:21and warlike race. The first context, we had a choice on whether to align with some very benevolent ones, but we had to choose universal peace and come together as a planet and start working on, you know, restoring our environment and things of that nature. Those were the guidelines. Another group came in and said, hey, we'll just give you the technology. Let us grab a few people and do a little testing, and so unfortunately, some of our other governments as well actually align with the ones that weren't so benevolent, and that didn't go real well. So that phase is closing out right now. We're entering a whole new phase of more benevolent contacts and very spiritually and technologically advanced beings that are coming to the planet, but you're just not hearing about that. It's very suppressed. Why? Why are we not hearing about it? And they're contacting what? Individuals? Well, what they're doing now is they've broken away from contacting governments because they found

50:28the motive there and the consciousness and the energy just isn't right. And can you blame them? No, you know, we have that old story. Why don't we land on the White House lawn? Well, there's really no intelligent life there. So they're seeking it out in some other areas. You know, actually, I laughed, but I'm sorry, that does make some sense. If the initial deal was, look, we'll give you some technology. A government's going to jump on that. What do they want in return? A few citizens. No problem. Oh, yeah. You know, in those days, there's the cold war going on. And there was a lot of nuclear threat, things like that. So basically, whoever had the best technology wins the war. So they took that route in the interest of national security. That's what governments do. Exactly. But nowadays, you know, in the interest of national security,

51:32we really need to choose peace and align with these benevolent ones and get rid of these weapons of mass destruction, you know, the real one. So at the same time with you all the way, but buddy, I just don't see it happening and I don't see it. Certainly, it's not happening now. Yeah. It's around the world. And as far as the future is concerned, I would love to see it happen. And I hate to be cynical, but we don't seem to be moving that way. Yeah, I think we're going to get a little push in that direction here because, you know, we've shot a few things up and they just come right back down to the ground. And, you know, we've had missile silos totally decommissioned. And by the end. That is true. And so, you know, they've made it pretty clear that they're not going to allow us to have any kind of an exchange. So it's kind of for not all these, you know, star wars and defense programs and everything else. It's just money down the toilet that we should be putting towards our infrastructure and, you know, cleaning up, you know, the Katrina mess there and, you know, rebuilding levies and

52:33things of that nature. We have no business spending trends at dollars right now on these other projects when we have a big mess at home to take care of. Who will? Again, governments are what they are. They act in the larger national interest. It's like going line, line hunting with a peace shooter. You know, you know, it's like, you know, it's, it's why is there not to, you know, take your peace you're out and, and, and, and antagonize the line. And that's kind of what we're doing because some of these beings are, are millions, if not billions of years ahead of us. Okay, let's try this on James. Look, everything says that with physics as we know it, there is no way that they could travel to us from wherever they might be coming from. They just couldn't, there wouldn't be enough time to get here with traditional physics. So how

53:35are they doing it? Well, the problem is, is that a lot, I think the kids physics as we know it, but there is physics that we do know right now, especially quantum physics, that explain exactly how they do it. And there's a thing called instantaneous communication that, that things travel and communicate instantaneously. And I think it's Neil's bore, Neil's bore came out with a lot of this information and they've been proving it. So you can go up to the next step to instantaneous travel and, and you don't have to travel long distances like, like we think we do, you know, they can actually just punch in the destination, hit a button and bam, they're there. So, so it's it's instantaneous travel you might say and they have that kind of technology. And the best way to explain it is to understand the nature of the ships because some ships are physical, some ships are energy and some are more like light ships as you move up the vibration continuum and then there's

54:39some ships that are pure consciousness. And, and as you power your ship up and move up in the frequencies, you're not so limited as to travel and, you know, all the other capabilities. So you can actually travel instantaneously by moving your ship out of this physical reality into an energy or a light reality or even beyond that and just jump instantaneous wherever you need to be. And that's what they do. You can, you can see a lot of the footage where the ships are there and then they just pop and they're gone. I know. I know. I was going to say a lot of what you're saying sounds like new age gibberish, but, but it actually matches the reports of these objects that people keep giving. You know, it was there. It moved. It disappeared. It shot across this guy at a incredible speed. Then just suddenly was gone. Those kinds of things as though it's coming and going from what we know as our reality. There's no way you could survive the GeForce.

55:44Being inside a ship with conventional physics, you know, they'd be splattered against the wall on the inside of the ship if they used the physics that we know of. Okay, and all of this comes from direct knowledge and contact with extra terrestrials that you've had, yes? Yes. Also, too, I actually hang out with some of the top mines on the planet. You probably know a lot of them because a lot of them have been on your show and they've actually been up to the ranch. We had a big conference here in 2006 and, you know, we had Dr. Salah. We had Alphabet Bray, Brooks Agnew. He was just on the show earlier with George Nory. Yeah, and all of the people who, excuse me, this is very important, I think, for the audience. This list of people and probably a list much longer that have come to your ranch. Have, in fact, backed you up. They've seen these things. It's not had communication as a result of this, right? Yeah, Nick Bejik was up here. Wendell Stevens came up here. And, you know, during this

56:48conference, we had two massive ships. One came in from the north and one came in from the south and they flew right over exactly when they said they would. And the people you named would come on this radio program and back you up on that. I would say 99% of them. There's one I'm not sure if I don't want to mention his name because he's trying to keep his, you might say, well, some people just are working with, in other fields of politics and science and they don't really want to go public and talk about UFOs, just particularly one of them. But every one of the other ones will come on. I know last night I heard Brooks Agnew on the show with George Nory and he talked about his experience here and he was actually hit by kind of a beam of energy that hit him right straight through the chest and it lit him up entirely. And he had all kinds of like maps and diagrams as his body lit up. Other people saw it as well. I know that's, that's, frankly, James,

57:51what makes all of what you say so interesting. I mean, it would be so easily dismissible as, you know, you seeing things or hearing things or whatever, but there's this long list of people. Many of them on the show, you brought them on in the past and damn, if they haven't seen these things. So there really is something here. Yeah, we have, we had last time we had some, some engineers here, some aerospace engineers, one of them was in skunk works and he came on the show and I remember right in the middle of the show, one of the big ships flew in and I guess you heard everybody screaming out in the field and you said, can you bring them on? Can you bring them on? That's right. Yeah. And, and you know, we've had 30 of these engineers at the time. They come up here and, you know, bring a sack lunch and sit out and watch these ships come in. Why your area? I think this area has a long, long history of UFO activity. It goes back to the Native American lore and Kenneth Arnold actually lost sight of the ships when they descended on the western

58:56slopes of Mount Adams, which is my front yard. And Dr. Gaelin Heineck, Greg Long, all of these people have written books about this area. Very impressive. So you don't think it's necessarily you, James, although there's some aspect of that, but you think it's the area, right? I think it's a combination of both. It's, it's basically if you rise to the occasion and develop yourself spiritually, they will find you. They'll contact you. All right, hold it, hold it right there. We're at a breakpoint, James. Now, folks, I really want to emphasize what I just said. And that is we could bring person after person after person on here, engineers, those kinds of people who will back up what James said. So it's not idle new age blabber. These things really do appear. I'm Mark Bell. Here I am. And I set up myself, Mike the skeptic from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina,

59:57says, Hey, aren't actually what you're gist of saying is new age nonsense and gibberish. There's no proof, no video, no video evidence, no official documentation, nothing. All he has is anecdotal speculation. A bunch of people who say they've seen something, it's worthless. Well, you know, if all I had was the word, the word of James, I might, I might feel the same way. But frankly, we have had aerospace engineers, people of all kinds of professional backgrounds that have been to his ranch. And they've seen these things clearly, unambiguously, have seen these things person after person after person. Now that means something. Oh, there's no question about it. Now how many photographs does he have in a moment? We will ask. By the way, Bob Crane called me from China the other day, two or three days ago. And boy, has he got some great news, which I cannot talk about. But it really is great news. Well,

1:01:01all right, James, welcome back. You heard what Mike the, now there's nothing you can really do for skeptics. If you show them a slightly fuzzy photograph, James, they say, oh, another fuzzy photograph of a UFO. If you show them a crystal clear photograph, they say it's got to be a fake. So you can't win. But nevertheless, he asks, he says nonsense and gibberish, no proof, no video. And you say, well, you know, Einstein said condemnation without investigation is behind the vigorous. And there's a lot of people suffering from cognitive distance. They just, no matter how much proof or evidence you give to them, like you're saying, they just can't accept it. And really what they want to do is remain in their present state of mind. They don't want to change or be opened any new knowledge or new information. But we've got about 60 hours of footage of these things landing on the ground, morphing from one to four back to one again. You know, 60 witnesses on the ground,

1:02:05you know, with their testimonies, it just goes on and on and on. Where would you suggest they go to your website? Where's the very best of what you've got? Well, the website has a lot of it, but the DVDs have even more of it. And we have so much here that we haven't even had a chance to put up and make available yet, which we're working on right now. We just don't have the technology or the funding, as usual, to get it all up there. Because, you know, we're kind of a pretty small operation. We're just a ranch out in the middle of nowhere. But hopefully we can get all of it up. But we have just one after another after another. I don't know how many hundreds of ships coming in right on time when they say they're going to come in. They power up, light up the entire sky, make a turn. No, no, let me stop you. You say coming in when they say they're going to come in. Now, that means they communicate with you and let you know when it's going to happen. Yes, they give us, we had ABC here. And they filmed it. And actually we had Jay Leno's group came up

1:03:10here. And they haven't aired it yet. But they had their cameras rolling. The ships came in and two of them came right at each other and turned and went off in different directions. And they got out there. And they got it. They have it on film. And I gave them some other incredible film. But we haven't heard anything. It was supposed to be aired quite a while ago. And for some reason, they can't. Hopefully they'll bring it up again. Did they give you a reason? No, you know, they usually never do. It's funny because we get right to the edge of something taking off and being aired. And I know locally they air it. But as soon as it starts to go national, it gets canned. You know, it's somebody steps on it. So this is too real. We can't have this out there. Yeah, I know. This is too real. And that comes out of the category of that's a clear shot. And so it's got to be fake. Unfortunately, we live in a day and age where if you're talented with Photoshop, for example, you can you can do anything.

1:04:14And that's that's kind of unfortunate. Back in the days of Polaroid, you didn't have that opportunity or at least not much of one. No. So it's almost harder to prove photographically now than it was then. Why have the original? So I have the original analog DVDs that I took a long time ago. And I have the many DVDs and everything is original. And I have the multiple witnesses that were there at the time these objects were filmed. So we can interview them at the same time. And you know, either either I have a whole army of liars here or something's going on. You know, you don't you don't have a whole army of liars in fact. I've heard people say that. You know, a lot of these people are very credible. They've seen something obviously. And so you know, let's move on a little bit. I'm going to just say because of the number of witnesses you have, I'm going to accept that something real is going on there. There's simply no doubt about and we're not going to satisfy Mike the skeptic at all. I would like to know what their ultimate

1:05:20agenda is. And rather than answer, would there are many agendas? I mean, there's going to be some kind of general agenda that they have. I think the general agenda right now is to assist us in our awakening and healing process. And you know, there are a couple other agendas there, but you know, we're moving out of the old abduction, experimentation, and just sitting back and watching face to even the ones that are just kind of observing and watching us are now starting to take an active role in assisting in this evolutionary process. And there's actually a lot of them coming from the inner earth, you know, pace beneath the earth where they're based. And Carlos Diaz has some pretty good footage. And we have some footage. I put one of them up on your site there of a plasma ship. And those ships are actually the beans are actually part of the ship. All right, hold on. I'm on the way up to the site right now. I want to see it. Where do I look?

1:06:24Okay. There it is right on the front page. Yeah. On your side. Okay. One of the plasma ships, you know, similar to the ones Carlos Diaz has taken down in Mexico. And I just got back from a trip to Mexico. And they're, you know, when you go down there, you talk about UFOs and they go, they go, what did they do? I know. They go, we see them all the time. You know, they're part of our culture. They are part of the culture. And it's just no big deal. I went and did a talk down there and just flooded the place. And I showed them all the UFOs and they go, well, that's nice. When I showed them all the paranormal stuff, we have, they're really excited about that, you know. So they like that better than UFOs. UFOs are old hat to them. Exactly. You know, they're really more into the paranormal photos and the other things that the Mexicans have had so many sightings. The Mexicans have had collisions with their commercial aircraft. It's amazing what's happened in Mexico. And so it's no surprise that that's kind of their attitude, James.

1:07:25Why do you think it's so crazy down there? Well, Jaime Mason and Santiago, Yoriega, both have done an excellent job of documenting this. And there's others as well. Those are just two, I know personally. But I think that many of the ancient ruins down there were actually built by them and they're returning to those areas. And I think one of the, one of the main things down, there's nobody shooting at them, you know. That may be an excellent point, actually, James. Yeah, I mean, the ships that come here, we have on our website, we actually have, you can see black helicopters that are not normal helicopters. We've got black F-15s. We have chases here constantly. And it's kind of a, of a no contest because these ships will come in and they either just leave the jet and the dust or they just vanish and the jet goes by and they reappear.

1:08:25Do you think our officially, officially, our official policy, James, is to fire at these craft? I do believe it is. It may be changing because of a lot of the work with the exopolitics groups. And it depends on which base commander is involved. Some of them say just observe it. You know, don't fire on it, just observe it. And others might say, go ahead and fire on it. And I don't know what the exact official policy is, but it is to greet them with aggression. Well, since you get to speak with them or communicate with them, James, what is their official reaction to being shot at? They just said, we'll come back again, you know. We'll come back again. Yeah, they just said, you know, Philly, when you're in a better mood, huh? Yeah, but you know, it's sad because you think about these beings that are very, very spiritually advanced beings and technologically advanced. You know, they've overcome disease, war,

1:09:29all of this. They have the technology to restore our environment and clean everything up here. And when they come here, we fire on them and try to shoot them down, dissect them, and back engineer the technology for the war industry. So people say, well, why aren't they landing at the Super Bowl or why aren't they landing on the White House lawn? Well, there's your answer. You know, they are communicating with a lot of the common people now. And they're having contacts all over the world right now. And in a lot in Mexico, there's a lot of contacts going on in Mexico. But they're contacting a lot of the common people that are, you know, have care in town and open mind and loving heart. And they're not going to try to capitalize on it or, or, you know, turn it into religion or something. So you think, yeah, there's that danger of it being turned into a religion. You think that virtually then given up on governments. It seems that way. I know there are, there are some still working with governments and there are

1:10:33some governments that are actually being contacted. We're not hearing about it yet. But a lot of governments are actually blowing the lid off. But I think France is releasing a lot of their information, Brazil, Mexico, definitely. It seems a lot of the other countries are saying, okay, enough of the cover up. We have to start bringing this information out. And even people within the black projects are starting to release a lot of information. And they're kind of shooting it out through different avenues. Even the skeptics, it seems to me, James, have got to wonder, I mean, the most dramatic encounters, the most dramatic landings or shoot downs, including Roswell, you would think these records would be carefully maintained. And yet they are strangely disappeared. And this happens in case after case after case,

1:11:34when congressman shift, when after the records, they were, I forget what the official response was, something about they were all destroyed or something like that. Well, this happens once maybe, but again and again and again, no way. So obviously our governments know a great deal more than they have told us. Well, they definitely do. Paul Hillier, who is the Canadian former defense minister, he was at the Hawaii conference that I spoke. And after I gave him a presentation, he came up and he shook my hand. He goes, thank you so much. He goes, that was very enlightening. He just loved all the information I was giving him and the different types of beings and why they're here. And he talked over that for all of us, the different types of beings and why they're here. I'd like to hear that myself. Well, there's a lot of different types. Some are very similar us. You couldn't tell the difference if they're walking down the street. Unless you're very sensitive, you'd feel a frequency or an energy if you're around them. But a lot of them look just like us,

1:12:37as a matter of fact, there are ancestors returning that some stuck it out here and a lot of them took off when the cataclysm came and they had that technology to do so. So there's being that, now on your page again, if you go to... Before you go on, you just had something I want to explore a little bit. You said before the cataclysm came, right? Yes. Okay, you've seemed to feel that if we were to suddenly go berserk and get into a nuclear conflict of some sort, they would step in and prevent it. They would prevent that, but we've also got some bigger challenges coming, and that's in the form of earth changes. I know. I know. Your book has covered a lot of that. I know, I know, I know. But I guess where I'm going with this, James, is why would they step in and prevent either a man-made or non-made cataclysm in our near future and yet not prevent past cataclysm? I think before understanding the planet, there's some things that were just too big

1:13:40and they couldn't deal with them. It's a whole planetary thing like a pole shift or something of that nature that was beyond their technology. All they could do is just either go underground or leave. And so in the past, but I know for a nuclear exchange, they could step in on that really easy and they've demonstrated that, that they could render almost everything we have inert, it never even get off the ground. Well, they've sort of demonstrated that both in Russia and here in the U.S. Yes, yes. And those are stories in themselves. But you know, what about something like global warming, the rising sea levels, the disappearance of important things like bees and birds beginning to die off, and all these horrid problems we have going on now, then on sound revealed to me. No, they aren't. They definitely aren't. And actually they are very concerned, especially the ones that are based here because they're sharing the water and the

1:14:40air and everything that we're sharing as well. And they're very upset, especially when we're blasting nuclear bombs off and shaking their heavens, you might say. But they're extremely concerned. And that's why you're seeing a lot of these plasma ships right now because they're coming out and they're looking at the surface dwellers and they're keeping a very close eye on what we're doing to the environment and to each other as well. Alright, a lot of people are going to look at what you call this plasma ship. And it's grainy and it's kind of fuzzy and they're going to go, come on. What did you take that to, is that taken with video? No, actually that was taken with a Sony, a really nice Sony camera. It was pretty high up. And so that's the blowup of it. Right. Now the problem with these ships that you're going to see over and over again, even on my site where I have a lot of ships that look very similar to the O'Hare ship,

1:15:44is that they have an energy field around them and they're very, very hard to photograph because of the ionization field around the ship. And to get a very clear photo of a ship, usually it needs to be parked. No, it's quite, you're absolutely right. Anything that is very, very bright against a very dark background and as far away and you've got to zoom in, you're going to end up with just exactly what you've got right here. And you know, at the last conference, we had people just shooting out in the field and they didn't see anything when they got their film back. You know, they had the ships showing up on the film. So it's the lot of times they can actually make themselves invisible to our, you know, we can only see so much of the visible light spectrum and a lot of times they're just outside of that. That's right. But the cameras will actually get them because, you know, the camera has the capability of going beyond our ability to see in the visible light. All right. Well, let's do something for the skeptics. And I get this all the time, James. Since you do it on a regularly scheduled basis, that is to say, have them show up

1:16:49and demonstrate, if a person wanted their own contact, if a person a skeptic, let's say, even a skeptic wanted contact, how would they go about it? You know, I would say dump the skepticism, you know, would be the first thing because, you know, these beings are extremely telepathic and they come and they scan the consciousness that they grew up and then they determine how low they're going to come because if people aren't ready for it, if there's a lot of fear and a lot of skepticism and negative energy, they'll just take the high road and you'll see them up high, but they won't drop down. But if you get a good focused group that has pure intent, open mind, loving heart, and they put the intent out there that they just want to know. They want to know the truth. And these things drop right down in. And, you know, the most powerful ones are the kids. All right. Well, here's an injury in the first hour. I had a fellow who said he had this, what he called a yellow star.

1:17:51He was very anxious, wanted to contact it, so he started flashing his car lights. And this thing approached him as though it knew that it understood he wanted contact. And so along it came and he ran. But no, he didn't run. Actually, he ran and got his brother and demonstrated it for his brother who saw it. Yeah. So is that normal? In other words, this whole thing is by mind reading, by intent. Well, there's different ways. We actually have lasers here that we shoot up to them and let them know. You know, we're here. We have other really high powered lights that we use sometimes to signal them. I had a woman here and a couple doctors here. One was a dentist and one wasn't MD. And she's actually given testimony on the show. She's called in and talked about it. But we had a big ship come in just over the trees. And I had a spotlight on it. Her name is Mona Lay if you hear from her. But okay, we did an interview. She actually came on

1:18:52the show. I think you interviewed me when she came on the show and I drew a big triangle in the sky with this light. And this ship actually morphed into a triangle. It turned into a big triangular light. Yeah, this is much of the same kind of thing that Stephen Greer does with groups. And it works. Oh, James James Gillin is my guest. And you know, you can be a doubter and a skeptic if you wish. But the fact of the matter is person after person has given us testimony that it's real. What does it mean? I'm Art Bell. Well, all right, my guest is James Gillin and he has seen UFO after UFO after UFO. Just about every type you can imagine. He is in contact with in quotes them. Now, there are a lot of people who are very skeptical about all of this. What makes James in my mind different from so many others is that he has invited person after person after person

1:19:55trained people, trained observers, people of science to his ranch. They've seen these things. No question about it. Are they easy to photograph? No. But we have witness after witness after witness who is who will come on there and say, yes, I saw these craft when I was up at that ranch. Now, that means something. I don't know what, but it certainly does mean something back to James in a moment. Once again, James Gillin and James, welcome back on making your own personal contact. How would you recommend all but a skeptic? A skeptic is never going to make the transformation, but for the rest of everybody out there, if they want to give this a try, what do they do? You know, I think it'd be awesome art to do one of your experiments. I know you hate this, but you know, if the whole collective consciousness just focused a very

1:20:56loving, joyous thought out there and put the call out that, you know, we do want to make contact. We do want help with our planet, you know, to help clean up the environment and to bring these new technologies in. And if they put pressure somehow on the government to stop shooting at them and create a peaceful avenue of exchange, we'd have some pretty amazing things happen here on the planet. Well, let's ask you this. If we had an original deal with them, in other words, take some citizens, do your experiments, share the technology with us. Where did all that go down the tubes? If that's no longer the deal, we're not getting the technology. And they're no longer taking people. And we're certainly not getting reports of abductions to speak of. Then where did the deal go wrong? Well, from my understanding, I'm not an expert in the abduction and the black project and all the hidden bases and everything that's going on, but I'm aware of them

1:22:02and they do exist. But obviously there was some kind of a skirmish I've heard quite a few stories about it from very high officials. And I guess there was, they took a lot more than than was expected and the experiments weren't going a little beyond what they expected. And so I guess there was some kind of a disagreement and a major break in a way of that deal. With me, I don't always say just because you're dead doesn't mean you're enlightened or just because you're an alien doesn't mean you're enlightened. And it's important to to realize this that not all aliens really came here with our highest and best good in mind. But that whole arena is being phased out right now. And the ones that are coming in now are the ones that have pretty much put a stop to that. So it's time now to start, you know, keep your discernment, but let's start greeting these beings in peace and you know,

1:23:07see what they have to offer. So you're convinced, you began the program by saying so, that a disclosure is going to come from the sky that suddenly these sightings, even though they're increasing right now, will what go exponentially higher? Yes, you know, it's our destiny to join the rest of the universe in peace. And some of these beings I'm talking to are intently spiritual. They're very, very spiritual and they they talk about God, but they don't talk about the God that most of us believe in. They talk about more of a frequency of force that divine intelligence is nameless. And they said that those energies are pressing hard on the earth right now. And this evolutionary process or this quantum leap and evolution that we're going through, they're a part of that. They're part of the beings that are orchestrating, helping to orchestrate this event and get us through these times.

1:24:15They actually have not done anything yet that I'm aware of. I mean, you can't really point to anything and say, well, all right, they cleaned this up or they stopped that or they other than perhaps toying with our nuclear facilities as well as the Russians. I don't think you can point to anything they've done just yet, can you? Well, in Chernobyl, there's a lot of engineers that they interviewed there in Chernobyl and they said that there was a ship that came over Chernobyl and they're what do you call the Geiger counters were just going off the scale. And this thing sent two or three beams down into the the reactor and then their Geiger counters dropped significantly. And so something intervened there in Chernobyl and it wasn't as disaster as it could have been. Where did you get that news? Now, I've got that from, I can dig that up from you but it was sent to me by an investigator

1:25:16that went there and he interviewed some of the scientists there that were working on it. Because that would be exactly what I just asked for. That would be proof of intervention. Did they get photographs or anything significant? No, I don't know. All I know is that the guy interviewed, you know, he took names and he interviewed the people down there and he interviewed some of the main scientists that were there on site. And I'm sure you could probably Google it and find it or I could dig it up again. Okay, all right. And bring it up. That certainly would qualify as an intervention of sorts. A lot of people are worried about Chernobyl and whether it's actually going to hold. I think there are a lot of predictions it will not. And you're saying they actually stepped in and killed some radiation? Yeah, I mean, they can do that. They can render radiation, inert and do all kinds of things. But the problem is that we have to gain the wisdom from our experiences and until we learn to stop playing with this nonsense. And you know, there's other fuelless technologies. We don't even need

1:26:19these reactors. We don't even need oil right now. And it's been around for quite some time. And I've actually held this in my hand. I've now held it in your hand. Well, a device that is about as big as a small pipe pan that has nine coils and each coil puts out 25,000 watts and it's ice cold when it runs. But the physicist that created it had his lab burned, burned his family threatened and it's on the shelf right now. But there's quite a few coming out. I mean, just basically splitting water, you know, and the hydrogen, burning the hydrogen and oxygen is those technologies are going to come out and force right now. I think like almost everybody's inventing those. It's a pretty simple thing. It's very interesting that you would mention that James earlier today. I was talking to a 767 pilot whose name I will not mention. But he told me that there's a man in the Philippines that's quite well known and there are others around the planet right now that are actually running automobiles on water. There's some new type

1:27:24of electrolysis process separating the hydrogen extremely efficiently and then running cars on water. And I know that sounds like, well, I don't know what it sounds like. Sounds crazy. Well, it's on demand right now. They have it set up so it runs on your car, splits the water on demand. And that technology has been around for a while but it's been suppressed, you know, like like the other technology, you know, even the electric cars. If you put one of these other devices on an electric car, you could drive the wheels off it. But, you know, if we want to get a little more unlimited, you don't even need wheels because these devices, when you rev them up, they become countergravity. But James, I don't get it. If somebody really has something like this, even if they have a car that will run on water, what am I saying? Even if they've got something of that sort, why not? I'm accessible. Why not come to me and say, right, here it is, a car that runs on water. And I would look into it or I'd get somebody even more knowledgeable to look into it.

1:28:25And if it was real, I'd be blasting the word all over the planet. And I'm not the only one. They could go to any number of sources, 60 minutes, any of the big programs to say, here it is. Here's a car that runs on water. Yeah. And that's a big story, James. Well, you know, Gene Mehloff, I think he, you know, was going to testify for Congress about all these new technologies. And they found him bludgeoned the death in his home right before he could do it. So there's a lot of people out there that there's one or two ways that goes, either they buy it and shell it. And you know, you never hear about from these people again, or they get two options, you know, they disappear and their families disappear with them. So those are the two options right now. And you know, we really don't have any legislation or anybody that's going to watch over these people or provide the security necessary to get these technologies out. That's the main problem. When you get communication from them, James, in what form does it come? I mean, is this completely

1:29:31mental? You just get thoughts in your head or what? We usually have to go into kind of a meditative state and very calm my mind. And I rise up. It's more of an emotion. And you focus on like love and joy and bliss. And you start merging with that energy. And then a communication starts coming. You have to rise to their frequency. And they will drop down a little bit. And so you kind of meet them halfway. And it's thought to thought is what it is. And the interesting thing is is that when they give me the information, we'll be out there with the cameras. And they're saying, we're coming at nine o'clock. And right at nine o'clock, they're there and the cameras are rolling. And we have them on film. And just two nights ago, I had, we have this place on the ranch, if you park your car there, it drains your battery. I don't know why, but everybody that parks there, you come out a few hours later in your battery's dead. So it's kind of like that

1:30:32skin walker ranch. We have some pretty strange things here, but it's mostly positive. We don't have any real high strangeless. I mean, it's weird, but it's benevolent. And why then are there so many reports that come from people who have had one form of contact or another and more than not it's negative? I think the main problem is that the positive experiences don't get any press. It's like, you know, they say that, you know, the lie can travel, you know, twice around the world before the truth has time to, you know, tie it to you. Boy, that's no lie. And everybody really wants to capitalize on the fear and suspense. And, you know, Hollywood gets billions of dollars to, you know, work off of that. So it's kind of sad. All the movies are program negatively. And even here in this area here, there was a lot of contacts even before I got here. And each case, when you read the encounter, the people either jumped in their car and sped off

1:31:36or they ran. And nobody really had the courage to just stand and say, what's up, you know, why are you here? And that's what I've been doing. And I've been helping others to diminish the fear so they can actually have a closer experience. And, you know, it changes your life totally when you see something, you know, just from a distance, it puts you in a state of shock almost. And when they start coming in really close, I mean, people just freeze, you know, take them a while to come out of it. Well, again, Steve Greer, Dr. Greer has been using flashing lights, other things to attract them to cause them to come closer to initiate contact. And he's been doing that for years. And it works. And it's kind of the same sort of thing you're doing. You're using, you said lasers. Yeah. So would you recommend that to an individual, aside from intent? You know, you want contact. You're trying to rise to a higher level. I can buy into all of that. And

1:32:40then, and then these flashing lights are things that you do to attract them. As the caller in the first hour I had, he said suddenly it came closer. That's no surprise to you, I guess, right? No, we do that constantly. You know, we use lights or lasers or it's, you know, mainly they know what's going on. If they're, they're so advanced, they just scan your consciousness and they know what what you're up to. But the, you know, the flashing lights are giving them a signal that, hey, you know, I want, I want an experience. I want to be just closer. Maybe it's just more, it's just part of the intent. You're demonstrating something. So, Well, Steve Greer actually came out here and he did his training, the ambassador training here. And we filmed three large triangles and we lost count on how many ships came in. There's probably 30 ships came in during while he was here. So he's very well aware of the activity here and his group is as well. Okay. You've got a place where things are going on. Are people able to

1:33:45come to your ranch? I know you can't have giant mobs descending on you. But what do you do when people, you know, send you email, phone you, whatever they do to get in contact with you and say, look, I want the experience. I want to come and see for myself. Well, it depends. We have just three rooms that we have for rent here. People want to come up, you know, and spend some time here. But the, a lot of people camp and I recommend camping. You know, we just had an event here in August and we had over 400 people here. And I actually built a conference building to have, you know, the speakers come. And one of the main reasons I built this place is because I was being censored everywhere. You know, censored? Yeah, pretty much. You know, I mean, you're well aware of this in the UFO community. There's a lot of competition. There's a lot of, you know, backstabbing. Oh, yes, there is. And when somebody comes by and they really have the goods and they really can go interdimensional

1:34:46and bring out, you know, a lot more of the truth, you might say. There's just a lot of jealousy and a lot of problems that come out from. Okay. How much of that have you run into? How much jealousy and anger and backstabbing and problems have you run into because of what you're doing? I would say a lot. I would say much more of that than than the positive you might say. Lately, it's changed, though, because a lot of the things we're doing were way ahead of their time and people are catching up now. So there's a lot more support in this. And what's sad is that the majority of the people are really good people anywhere, wherever you go, just the, but when you move up the echelon into the higher levels or the other people that have a gig that they have going, you know, and they want to focus mainly on nuts and bolts or on abductions or they want to make everything evil. All those groups, they get very upset when you step on their toes and you say, look, there's a lot more going on. There's something far beyond, you know, this scenario.

1:35:49And so why, why, why do you think euphology eats its young this way? You know, I gave a talk at the International UFO Congress there in Lawson, Nevada. And that was one of the subjects I brought up. And, you know, I told everybody, I said, nobody has the whole pie here. We all have a piece of the pie and we're never going to get to the bottom of this until we put the whole pie out on the table and learn to cooperate and get along. And I got a standing ovation there, you know, just by saying that because our tired of it, people are saying, look, you know, we, you know, how are we going to get along with these beans that are so much different than we are and we can't even get along with each other. And it's very sad when you think about it because, you know, like the photos I've put on your site, some beans look like we do. And then if you scroll down a little bit, you'll see another bean there that has a robe and

1:36:50his face looks pretty bizarre looking and he's a very ancient one, very wise. And, you know, these beans step out of these plasma fields or interdimensional beans for contact. And, you know, most people would see them and would run because they can't sense the energy coming from them. They can't sense that they are extremely wise and loving and very powerful beans. So until we learn to accept, you know, differences that there are not just different colored beans on this planet. There's different colored beans on other planets than they. You know, they look, some look totally different than we do. Some are very tall, some are very short. You know, there's all kinds of different beans out there. Here's something. Here's something I've learned, James. Maybe it'll enlighten you with respect to the flag you're getting. And that is I don't participate in news groups. And the reason I don't is because they always start out with the very best of intentions. No matter what the subject is, it doesn't matter. They start out so well, but inevitably,

1:37:55as time goes on, and this is an absolute golden rule. It's just never broken. I don't care how how good the topic is for the news group. It degenerates into personal attacks until finally, whoever's running the news group can't stand it anymore, then throw somebody off or throw several people off who are perceived to be causing trouble. And then of course, that causes a fight because somebody says, well, that's censorship and you can't do that. Well, the person did it because they finally couldn't stand it anymore. And this just happens always, James. So when you get to a topic like uphology, which is already difficult, you're going to get that times 10. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I had a chat group that was attached to my website. I can't hold it. There you go. You know, for that very reason, I just said, you know, this is so ridiculous. And I wasn't there to monitor it. And I had to be posting all kinds of nonsense on there and fighting

1:38:56and victory. And I just said, you know, you don't deserve this room. I'm canceling it. People prefer ultimately the negative. And until we get away from that, I don't think contact if it's benevolence going to happen. I'm Art Bell. We'll be right back. You know, I've got to admit, it's tempting. What James said earlier, it's really, really tempting. It's been a long time since I did an experiment. I wonder if we could safely, wonder if we could safely engage perhaps millions of minds and produce a vision in the sky. I wonder if we would target a city or we'd just, we'd go for the whole US. It's really something to think about, isn't it? If intent is what drives them in quotes

1:39:58and or brings them, then we could sure produce a lot of intent with just one more experiment, couldn't we? I'm trying to sit here and imagine how it could go wrong. And reasons why we ought not do it. But if it's just to produce a mass sighting, then maybe we'll be back in a moment. All right, let's play with the idea a little bit. James, if we decided to do an experiment, if we decided to attempt to engage perhaps millions of minds toward producing a really big event in the sky, would you target a specific area? Would you would you just send out a sort of a general message of intent that we're ready for a big show? Or how would you do it? I'm curious. If you if we were to do such a thing, how would you want it done? I'd do it globally and then

1:41:02just watch the internet for all the reports to come flying in. I mean, it's just going to be exponential. I know they've been telling me between November and December, there's just going to be no more doubt whatsoever. I mean, you'd have to be either in total denial or total ignorance to not know what's going on because they're going to be seen everywhere. Do you think there would be a response to something like that? You know, definitely I do if people went out there and just meditated and went out and had some clear skies and just put the intent out there that send us as loving thought as you can and put it out there and just say, you know, help. Do you see any? Do you see any downside to this? I don't anymore. In the past, that was a possibility, but now there's

1:42:04anything negative is being very monitored and watched. And if it's here at all, most of it's been given eviction notice, you might say. Well, you remember the movie and all those people at the top of the building welcoming the aliens who got fried. Yeah, there goes Hollywood again. Well, a potential downside. Are you sure enough that the mass number of visitors that we have right now are benign or have our best interest in mind? You know, I have no doubt. One of the things that we have to realize is, first of all, there's nothing we can do about them because they're so far advanced. Even our military, they know that. There's nothing we can do about it. And B, if they wanted to do something about us, they would have done it so long ago because they've been around since, you know, thousands and thousands of years. They're in the frescoes, you know, they're in rock paintings. There's legends that go back. God, I know how? I mean, what?

1:43:07400,000 years or so. So, you know, the Chinese talk about them. They're in every culture, you might say. The ancient Egyptians talked about them. The Tibetans talk about them. In the Vedic scriptures, they talk about the ships and the different types of ships. You're convinced they appear because of intent. It is, you know, we have to rise to the occasion if we're going to join the rest of the universe. And if there was a collective consciousness that was trying to rise to the occasion, it was initiating this. I'm sure that you would see a definite quickening in what is happening on the planet as far as, you know, the assistance to get us through these times we're moving into. Are you sure that it would not be better spent focusing on some specific geographic area or would you'd rather see it global? You know, I'd rather see it global.

1:44:11You know, it's kind of what I find with them is that is trying to control them is just doesn't work. And you let them appear to you how they want to appear. And they have much higher oversight than we do. So, they'll decide, you know, how they're going to do it and when they're going to do it. It's the same thing here. I've learned that, you know, I want them to come down with my camera and walk on the ship and interview them personally. I mean, that's my desire. And they say, you know, it's not time yet. You know, you'd be surrounded with military. You'd be probably in jail. And, you know, they said, it just isn't going to work that way. You have to be patient. It has to be done a little at a time. So, if we put the intent out there and send as much love and joy and bliss to them and be sincere and just say, you know, I just want to see a ship. I want to know this is real. You'd be surprised what will start moving around in the heavens or lighting up her.

1:45:12Or, you know, it'll sometimes it'll happen when you least suspect it, but it will open the door for that to happen. I'm really desperately trying to think of what the downside of this might be, because I'm actively considering giving it a try, James. I think the downside is a lot of ignorance would fall on its face. Well, that's certainly not a downside from your following point of view. Well, the downside that a lot of newscasters would have egg on their face and a lot of military people would go, damn, now we've got to tell, now we have to tell them the truth. That would be if our government has been hiding all of this, and in fact, if at any point the government cooperated with them and allowed them to take, you know, citizens randomly and experiment on them, the repercussions of that would be politically horrible. James, just

1:46:17absolutely horrible. Well, you know, we have to just move on. You know, they had their reasons for doing it, and at the time we were, you know, on a war footage, and it was very dangerous times, and we're always on a war footage. Yeah, yeah, unfortunately, but, you know, hopefully we've evolved far enough to where, you know, we can greet this with a little higher consciousness and civility and not be so primitive this time. All right, I might give this a try, James. I'm going to allow a little time to pass a day or so. I want to get to emails. I want some, there's a lot of good intellect out there, and it's been a long time since I've done one of these experiments, and if it could go wrong, I want to know how before I do it. So, folks, I am actively considering this. I really am because not only James, but Stephen Greer, others who have had frequent contacts

1:47:21with UFOs who have actually almost produced UFOs on demand for witnesses, good, reliable witnesses, it's all in intent, and what are our experiments, if not intent. So, I would like to know, anybody willing to email me on the downside of this, and the reason why I ought not do it, do it now, or forever hold your peace. I'm artbell at minespring.com or artbell at aol.com. So, James, I may give this a shot, and I don't do it lightly. So, we'll see what happens. I'm going to want to report from you, and of course, reports from everybody else as well, but if they're really out there in force, and I guess you're convinced there are many, many craft, is that correct? Oh, there's flotillas out there. They've seen thousands of craft in the air in Mexico, all in one sighting. So, I mean, they're actually jockeying for parking space right now.

1:48:24There's quite a few. We're doing our first major event here. All right. Are we able to detect them as our radar? We have these screens. We can track nuts and bolts in orbit around the earth, that kind of thing. Our governments are well aware of all this, or they escape. They are invisible to that technology or what? You know, the governments around the world are very well aware of it, and a lot of radar is, you know, the, I don't know what you'd call it, footage, or the reports or radar. If there are being released right now, where they have followed these now. Also, too, the majority of these ships, the higher ships, are stealth, and there's no way we would even know they were there. Nothing shows up on radar, and they'll just be parked right there. So, a lot of times there are no radar reports to, you know, coincide with side undeniable sightings, and it's because of their technologies. They can take their ships and move them out

1:49:29of any frequency, so nothing would be able to grab onto them or just move right through them. All right. If I do this, James, how would you recommend that I talk to everybody to the audience about how to aim their intent? Just loving, in other words, show yourselves, appear in our skies, in a very loving way? I think the first thing to do is just to settle down, settle down in your consciousness, and just think of the most loving, joyous, blissful thought you can generate, you know, even if it's an old experience or a memory. And then kind of attach that to the intent of wanting to contact. And it's very important that the mind in which you seek is the mind in which you're going to connect. So, if you have a lot of fear and a lot of religious training where you think everything's demonic or the devil or I mean, I wouldn't even participate in this experiment.

1:50:33Let's go ahead and touch on that. I've had a number of fast bless about that, and there is that, James. In other words, you have contact. You have a lot of things that you've produced, a lot of witnesses, but how do you know in the end, James? How do you know that what's contacting you and what you're seeing is not demonic? Well, mainly because I've had extensive training in this arena. And actually, I've had extensive training and clearing in the unseen negative influences, which includes any kind of astral beings and what you call the shadow people. And things of that nature, I've had many, many years of training and how to both sense that and clear that. And so, just due to the overall training and working with llamas and yogis and other masters and even more, even Christian oriented people are moving in that direction. You know, I think Billy Graham calls him God's other angels and Catholic Church now is saying these

1:51:34are not to be demonized. You know, this is just the greater family of man and it gives you know, better credence to the magnificence of God, you know, of the creator that creation extends far beyond here. So most of the religious factions other than some of the, you know, we have fanatics not just, you know, in the Muslim countries, but we have them right here on, you know, in good old America as well. And there's not too much you can do about that because, you know, they're seeking the devil. They're seeking the negative. And that's, you know, I tell them, they said, how do I know, you know, they'll ask me, how do we know you're not working with a devil? And I said, well, the devil's not even in my mind. You're focused on the devil, you know, constantly. And so that's, that's your experience. It's not even part of my reality. I don't, I don't know. If we set out a giant blast of intent, which is what I'm contemplating James, how quickly do you think it would be reacted to? Probably almost immediately you'd start to see

1:52:40things. You'd start getting all kinds of emails from people that, you know, mainly if people walked outside to clear skies and did this and put the intent out and just looked up in the sky for something anomalous to either power up or flash at them or start, start moving, you know, and, it may come as close as you're ready to have the experience. You know, it'll scan you and say, well, this person's ready. You'll start having almost immediate call-ins. I'm just doing what we're doing right now with this going out to, I don't know, 15 million listeners. People are already thinking about this. It's in their mind. I know. And they're learning that, hey, there's a greater family of man out there that loves us, that wants us to get through these times that's here to help us. Just knowing this is making that a possibility. It's giving them the reference points to start thinking about this and looking up and start, you know, trying to experience this greater

1:53:42family of man and that alone is going to help generate, you know, this reality. All right, James. Let's try it. And let's try it at the top of the hour. What I'm going to ask people to do is when we break here at the top of the hour, if you're able to go outside, that's fine. If the weather's nice and you feel like stepping out on your porch or stepping out into your yard and taking a look at the sky, that's fine. But what I really want everybody to do, beginning at the top of the hour and until we get back is turn your radio off at the top of the hour. It'll take us a lot about nine minutes, eight, nine minutes to get back. And that's long enough. I'd like everybody to just sit back, relax, clear your mind. As James said, perhaps contemplate an experience in your life that was joyous, that was happy. One of the happiest moments in your life. That'll be fun anyway.

1:54:42It's always kind of fun to sit back and relax yourself, remembering something that brought joy to you. Perhaps the day you had a child or the day you got married or whatever a joyous occasion happened to you, contemplate that. So you're in a good mood. And then for as many minutes as you're able, combine that with a intent, a directed intent to them, whoever they are to show themselves in our skies will leave it at that. Show themselves in our skies. And if you want to go outside, there's going to be millions of other people doing this with you folks. So if they're reactive, if and certainly there's every reason to believe that intent is what does the trick, then we should be able to produce craft in our skies. Now when I say our skies, that means the world's skies. It may in your case mean the skies directly over you or near you. So let's give it a try. It's a Saturday night. People should be in a good mood. And we have

1:55:47millions of people who can direct direct intent, very strong intent. And that means closing your eyes, getting in the mood, I described, and then combining it with a very, very strong invitation to show themselves in our skies. It's worth a try. Let's see what happens. So we'll do that coming up at the top of the hour, James. There's an experiment for you, buddy. What do you think? That sounds awesome. Made my evening. Okay. I really, you know, I thought about it. And we're only asking for a kind of a show in our skies. So I get even I'll do it. I'll go out and give it a shot myself, James. Beginning as we break here at the top of the hour. I don't frequently ask people to turn their radios off. Leave me. It's the last thing and talk show who's wants to do. But this is worth a shot. And then we'll see, I suppose over the next days or

1:56:49even hours, if something happens, how about that? Sounds awesome. I think it's going to be an incredible experiment. It will be. I don't know if it will occur right away. If it will occur as we direct the intent, or if there'll be a delayed reaction by a few days, but I would say if anything massive, it should occur either tonight or in the next few days. And then we can probably chalk it up as another success. Have you ever done anything of this sort? Well, you've done it on it. What a more of a minor scale, right? Yes, much more minor scale. And you know, it's funny every time I've come on the show here, we've had Skywatchers out there. And sure enough, we have some big ships dropped right in. Nice and low. The only problem is is that nobody filmed that they're just in shock. And I've been doing this for so long. I always get them on film. If I'm there, I get it. But a lot of other people don't even lift their camera up for the first, you know, actually 30 seconds to a minute. Are you sure? Well, it's a shock. If you happen to be lucky enough

1:57:53to have a camera with you, and I'm not suggesting that anybody out there, well, I'll tell you what, if you want to have a camera close by fine, and maybe we'll get some photographs. But what I'm really after is a massive, massive number of sightings. So, James, I guess you're going to help us, right? You're going to be there yourself. Definitely. I've already put it out. All right. We're coming up on the break. James, hold tight right where you are. Everybody else. You now have your assignment. We're going into break in about 20 seconds here. So I want you to relax, get yourself in a great mood. If you're able to be outside safely, if not, where you are is just fine. You want to produce, remember some joy in your life, getting a really good mood. And then blast out all the intent you've got inside you for them to show themselves in our skies. I will be participating with you from

1:58:54the high desert, invitations going out right now. I'm Art Bell. Well, I surprised myself. I didn't think I'd do another experiment, but I did my part during the break, and I hope you did too. We'll see how it goes over the next day or so the next few days. I expect there will be some giant sighting somewhere, if not in several areas. We're in the middle of a pretty good time for it anyway, but that much intent has got to produce something. We'll see it may come. We have no way of knowing timelines. Whether they really want to do it or not, but we certainly gave them the intent. And for those of you that participated with me, thank you. Don't stop. Keep it up in the next hour or so. Just keep lasting away intent. Simply for them to show themselves. And as James mentioned, get in

1:59:54as good a mood as you can. You know what I called up? It's kind of interesting actually. One of the joyous moments that I had in my life was the very brief, but joyous OBE I had in Paris. And so I kind of called that to mind. Remember it as much of it as I could and sort of combine that with an tent to see something in our skies for something to appear in our skies. And I hope you will do the very same. And we'll take a look at the next couple of days and see what happens. In a moment, we're going to open the lines for James Gilliland and see what you have to say. I'm Art Bell. Frankly, this was just too good to not do. I've had so many guests who have said that the appearance of these craft appears to be connected with intent. And as you know, intent is something that has fascinated me. Mass consciousness has fascinated me now for years. So we're going to watch the next couple of days very carefully. I'm already getting fast blasts that well, I don't know what you make out of them. Helen and a Kaiser Oregon said, overcast,

2:00:59but I went outside and yes, a round light was circling around the sky above my house. Happy to be part of it. Barry and Vancouver. Intent experiment. Two crafts cited over Vancouver BC at 105 AM, bright white lights moving north to south, 20 degrees above the eastern sky and many more like that. But I don't know. James will have to see what comes of it. It will watch the next couple of days very, very carefully and see what happens. I think you're here flooded. Well, I hope so. I really hope so. I mean, if it is really intent, then we're going to find out no question about it. Listen, we get a lot of calls for you. So what do you say? Oh, it sounds great. Here it comes. Kent in Michigan, you are on with James Gilliland. Yes, it's a pleasure to talk to you. Happy to have you. Found your show by accident about two weeks ago and I haven't missed one something. Anyway, I got a question for James. Yeah, I was about eight, nine years old. Just have been back in about

2:02:0477, but we were out in the back here playing and I've seen what I believe was a UFO. It was like a blue and a red oval lights that were slowly spinning. And it just kind of hovered there going real slow. And we saw for about 15 minutes or so and then it just shot up and disappeared. Have you seen anything like that? Pretty much on a regular basis here. We see that right off. Yeah, we do. We see a lot of different types. We've seen blue ones, purple ones, pink ones, green ones, you know, giant cylinders. We've seen triangles. We've got three or four of the massive triangles ships on film. Actually, I know I know you had one of those sightings at least one. I certainly did. But we've got some really good footage of these ships and people are trying to say that they're not satellites, that there's three satellites tethered together. But what we

2:03:05think here, there's no way it could be because it, I mean, it turned around and went back the other way. Yeah, they tried to tell me it was swamp gas. Yeah, that was Jalen Heineck's favorite. Yeah. Okay, Kent. Thank you very much. Listen, John and Lisa and they give their last name in Sailor's Burg Pennsylvania, say my wife and I are regular listeners. We took part in your experiment. Experiment. We went outside and we saw two lights in the sky just incredible. These are big white lights. Glad to be a part of this now. These are beginning to flood in. And I only, of course, you know, I only get samples, but I wonder what we've done here. Interesting. All right. I believe it's Solomon and Vancouver, BC. Oh, Vancouver. You're on with James. Harried on art in James. As a matter of fact, I'm standing outside involved in the experiment. And I know that it's valid because

2:04:06three weeks ago, I had a major vision that people all over the world were looking skywards. And there was all type of apparitions and UFO phenomenon taking place, but it had to do with the second coming of the Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ. And I believe that very, very firmly. Also, I was on with you about three or four weeks ago and I had made the prediction that your wife was going to have a baby girl. And listen, and then the two or three weeks later heard you on the air talking about the ultrasound and congratulations on the young lady. Of course, I want to ask James. James, yes, I've had contact since I was three years old. I've had contact with at least two dozen different type of species three nights ago here in Vancouver as I'm standing outside. I was after I finished my meditation. Intuitively, I was told to come outside in this beautiful white lotus light appeared over English bay heading towards Vancouver. And I listened to art when

2:05:12he said just a few minutes ago, the individual had fast blasted him from Vancouver. I saw those two lights going across the heavens. One question I wanted to ask you. I speak an extraterrestrial language. Do you speak that in number two? Would you let- Wait, wait, Solomon? Yes. If you speak an extraterrestrial language, say something. All right, I will. And I want your listeners to concentrate on this because every time I do it, everybody sees something different, but I'll proceed. I have not, Solomon, and I am duly impressed. Have you, James, heard anything like that ever before?

2:06:15You know, actually, I hate to admit it, but I have. You have. I try to stay grounded with all this, but I have words like that coming into my head. I have no idea what they mean, but they come with a feeling. And while he was speaking, I was getting some chills down my- Yeah, I have no idea. You know, I, that was out of the blue. I decided to ask him to say something. And, uh, you know, obviously he was prepared. And it came out sounding not like any language I know, but sounding very specific and wow. You know, most people just categorize this, you know, in the nutcase category, but, you know, and sensitive and you have the inner sensitivity to, uh, spiritually discern, you know, some of these things. And I'm one of them. You know, people do stuff like this to me whole the time. I go, well, that's really nice of it. Have a great day. But, uh, you know, I, I definitely felt an energy and a connection with that. And, and sometimes I hear that, but mostly,

2:07:18my communication is thought to thought. And, uh, it, you know, I get the information very clearly. Um, but there is this strange language very, very similar to what he was. Whatever he did, it was impressive, James. All right. Uh, William and Kansas City, uh, you're on the air with James. Excellent. Hey, James. Uh, how you doing? Doing great. Hey, uh, I got a quick siding for you. I was in the Navy and, uh, I'm a quarter master. Are you familiar with that? Yes, huh? Okay. I was taking, uh, readings. It was, it was late one night. We were off the coast of, uh, Viekas. Are you familiar with that? No, I'm not. It's, uh, it's that little island off of Puerto Rico that, uh, the military uses as a targeting range. There's a lot of sighting there. Hey, I'll tell you what. We were about 25 miles, uh, just west of Viekas Island. And, uh, it was late. It was about three in the morning. And I was on watch. And, of course, quarter master stand the bridge. And, uh, there was a throbbing. It looked like to me a throbbing

2:08:24blue light underneath the water. Um, it was about a mile away, I guess. And, uh, under the water. Under the water. And, uh, it appeared to, to pulse, uh, in and out. I thought it was a, uh, a boolean first. And, uh, the closer we got to it, uh, we noticed that it wasn't a water. And I asked the office of the deck if there was any kind of submarine contacts. If there was anything under the water there, nothing was on our charts. And it was very deep water there. And, uh, the office of decks can kind of freak out about a little bit. He, uh, he just kind of shrugged it off. I couldn't even believe it. He was like, you know, he talked about it for a second with me, but then he just disappeared. Inside the, um, inside the, uh, the top of the ship there. And, uh, I just sat there and watched it for a little while. The watch that was there with me was watching it too. And, uh, I got on the, uh, I cast, are you familiar with that? It's like a heat

2:09:30sensing, uh, device. It's, uh, watches when people fall into the water. Man, we're working, we can find them really quick or anything else that delivers heat. And I took a look, uh, look at what it was underwater there. And, uh, it must have been about a half a mile away now. And, I could tell that there was a some kind of weird disc shape underneath the water. It just the very, very faint outline of it. There was some kind of heat signature it was giving off. And then it appeared, it appeared to shoot some kind of, uh, lightning bolt underwater out of where it was. And the lightning bolt seemed to go underwater and light up these little orbs all around the ship. It's very strange. And there were pretty, pretty far away. And this blue light, this blue light underwater just kind of faded out, disappeared. But these other little orbs, uh, came out of the water. They were all different colors. Red and blue and yellow. And, uh, uh, then I logged it

2:10:38down the book. I just, you know, I had to write something about it down. And, uh, uh, all at once, they just disappeared. It was very, very strange. I've never seen anything like that before. And I know how is your log? Yeah. How was your log entry received? Um, I reported exactly what it was. Um, and, uh, a strange thing about that a couple years later, I went back to the logbook to find it. And I couldn't find that page. So I'm like, all right. Well, kind of like, uh, the Roswell stuff. That sort of thing has a way of disappearing. This experiment is not over yet. We're going to try the same thing at the bottom of the hour. And then we're going to watch the next few days ahead of us and not only tonight, but the next few days ahead and we're going to see what happens. And what I'm asking is that, uh, as many of you who listen to me and as many of you who believe that there really is something to all of this and that intent really does, uh, mean

2:11:40something. And I believe that it does. I surely believe that. I want you at the bottom of the hour to do as you did at the top of the hour and just blast out intent to show themselves in our sky. Now, getting in a good mood and remembering a great, uh, a time in your life, putting yourself in an excellent mood is a good idea. But most of all, I want you to blast out intent to show themselves in, uh, our skies. And we'll see what happens. Uh, Michael in Norfolk, uh, Virginia, you're on the air with James. Yes. Thank you. Uh, I'm against this, uh, for the following reason. Uh, I don't think a reasonable person puts out a, uh, message on the internet telling strangers to stop by his house and fill his living room and his bedrooms and so forth. And in the same sense, this is our earthly home, our planetary home and to put out on the internet of the universe an unspecific invitation

2:12:49to whoever's out there to come on in and make themselves at home is very, very unwise. You're worried about it, huh? Well, it's just, uh, completely unwise. And I'll tell you, there's another aspect to this. Uh, we are told in history that there is one man in history who has demonstrated himself as a mediator between earthlings and heavenly beings. And he is the Messiah of Israel. And if we want intervention, we should ask for that intervention to come in his name through him and by him and not by any other. Well, we didn't specify any intermediary, Michael. We just, uh, asked that we get a show in our skies. And, um, I have this kind of odd feeling that we're going to get it. And I don't think that it's going to be, uh,

2:13:51anything all that awful. I think it's just, in fact, what it's, uh, what it really already is is a bunch of sightings. We're getting, um, we're getting all kinds of sightings. So, uh, we'll, we'll see. Uh, we'll see us the next couple of days go on. Um, in Manhattan, Kansas, it's Jeff for James. Hey, guys, I just want to let you know if the world's about 20 degree here. But I went out my wife and I and we had some pretty powerful halogen lights. I got out there first. And for some reason, I have large yellowish white light caught my eye. And I flashed white at it a couple of times and hard at my wife. So you walked out the door and this blue plasma color ball shot right over the top of our heads and over our house. Really? It was crazy. Yeah, you're not kidding. No, I'm not kidding at all. I mean, wait a minute. Look at the size of a bowling ball, but it looks like it's going 15 or 20 feet up.

2:14:55Is your wife available? Yeah. Put her on. Okay, hang on. You know, all right, they've done that here quite a bit. Yeah, well, I've got to hear this. Yeah, you want to talk to you. I'll tell you a story afterwards about that. All right. Here's your other room listening to the radio here. Yeah, that's all right. Hello. Hi, what's your first name? Shawna Shawna Shawna you you went out with your husband and you saw you saw what he said he saw something he yelled at me to come out and just bright flash right straight right over the house. And you saw it as you saw it as well. Yeah, yeah. And I don't you know, I don't know if it can ask him if you know, like a falling star or shooting star or something like that could actually be, you know, could have been a UFO. I don't know. It was pretty amazing. What did it look like to you,

2:16:00Shawna? Just a bright white flash moving or just moving. Yeah, moving. It looked like I mean, it went so fast. It looked kind of like a falling star. Really? I don't know. All right, Shawna. I want to thank you and your husband. It's really great to have a couple of people on saying the same thing, particularly in an instance like this. Well, we listen all the time and this was just, yeah, it was pretty amazing. This is amazing. Shawna Shawna, I tell you what, no, hold on, put your husband back on. Okay. It sounds like he saw just a little bit more than Shawna, but Shawna verifies what he saw. So let's get him back on the line and get ready because we're going to continue. Hi there. All right. So you apparently saw the first part of this or another was there was enough time for you to call your wife and she saw the same thing or what? The initial thing I saw

2:17:01was huge up in the sky like it could have been a plan or something. And I flashed my light at twice and hard at her and within three to four seconds that bluish colored plasma balls out right over the top of our head. And the property we own is about 800 feet above the valley surrounding. All right, buddy. I've got to split. I am sufficiently impressed. All right. We're coming on another break right now. So here's what I want everybody to do. We're not done. This is one of our serious experiments. It's been years since I've done one. Please take a moment. Remember a joyous moment in your life and then combine it with all that the intent you've got in your mind and soul for something to show itself in our skies. And if you want, go take a look. Intent is focused energy and we're sending it out right now with millions of you hanging on it. I'm Art Bell.

2:18:08Here I am. Well, the reports I'm getting are amazing enough now. We'll have to wait and see. This is the power of intent is something that we have that is separate from all else. It's separate from governments. It's separate from the power they have. It's separate from well, everything. It is power unto itself. And I firmly believe that it's real focused intent for something to show in our skies. We'll watch the next few days very carefully. But the reports coming in are amazing. Now, yes, I did get one. Let's see, I saw one here. Yeah, here it is. They want a Dave in more Oklahoma wants me to report that he saw nothing. But that's one out of about 50 so far. You know, only so many of these fast blasts can come through. But there, Dave, I reported that for you. For everybody else, we'll see how it goes. It's time goes on. It's been a lot of

2:19:11years since I've done one of these experiments. And it's not over yet. James Gilliland back with you on the phones in a moment. Well, James, here's somebody calling us loons. The both of it, essentially. You're a loon. And I'm a close second. Well, I've got a feeling that we're going to produce some results here. I don't know if they're going to happen right away as some of many of these fast blasts would indicate. Or if it'll be in the next couple of days, my experience with these experiments previously was that in an hour or two, generally, it started to produce results. Now we'll see. Let's go back to the phones. And first time caller line, Robert, in Stockton, California, you're on with James. Hi, James. Hi, Art. The first thing I wanted to say, Art, I command you for doing this experiment. I've been praying for a long time that you do this very experiment. And yes, this new AG people, we do believe in the teachings of Jesus.

2:20:16Anyway, I have an experience last September, my wife, Charlotte, and I stayed at James's place. And we saw probably 15 to 20 ships on average each night that we were there. And the last night that we were there, we had a wonderful night with James and his family, I would say there. And then we went back to our campground just my wife and I. And she went into the tent to read, and I laid there in my chair. And I did exactly the experiment we're doing tonight. I laid there with simple, focused intentions. And I thought exactly the way we're doing tonight, suddenly right above the ranch, a light flashed. And then I flashed again and I had a little laser in my pocket. And I pulled the laser out and I flashed the laser three times, the light flashed back three times. Well, needless to say, I got pretty excited at that point.

2:21:21So I called to my wife to get the camera. She came out there and she handed me the camera and she was watching. She saw the light flashing too. I flashed again three times. It flashed back three times again. So I grabbed the camera, a little instant camera. And she was watching the area up there. And I started snapping pictures of that area and she started to get really excited because she whatever was up there flashed at exactly the moment that I was flashing the camera. And I got two very nice pictures of something up above the ranch there. The problem, Robert, is that as we discussed earlier, taking a photograph of a light, no matter how impressive it is to your eye, is never transformed well to a camera. I mean, you're taking a picture of a light against a very dark, black velvet sky, basically, with the camera. You're absolutely right. The only picture of a light. The only thing that I could say to that art is that I don't care

2:22:22what anybody thinks. It was the experience that I took home, that I felt that something connected with me. It felt my intention and it tried to communicate back with me. And people can naysay all they want. I have that for my own and my wife saw it herself with her very eyes. And if I can't recommend this ranch more, James was a wonderful host. This is a great place to stay. If people are in doubt, they need to go visit take the opportunity. You know, Seth Choestack from SETI. Go to the ranch. Have a look for yourself. If you devote your life to research in UFOs, it should be the first place you should go. I, Robert, I would love nothing more than to send Seth to the ranch. But you probably have to take him shackled. He doesn't really want to look into that sort of thing. And that's why yes, this experiment makes sense to me. After all, all the experiments I did way back when were intent involved before it became fashionable

2:23:26to do so. And so so many people like James tell me over and over and over again that it is intent. And even when you go out with a flashlight or a laser or something else and shine it back at these things, and then they react in some way, that too is intent. It's just a little more active. That's all. So we're not done yet. At the end of the program, I'm going to ask everybody to once again spend several minutes in intense concentration trying to get something to appear in our skies. You know, that's that's what it's all about. The last I, was it Mark or Mike? Robert. Oh, it's Robert. I couldn't hear the name. No, no, no, no, you may be talking about Robert was the last one on. There was a mic and you were going to say something about the blue, the blue colored flash that he saw. Well, no, the one that just called, you know, I remember them. They had quite an experience and it, I mean, they're blown away by it. But the whole important thing about this is

2:24:31personal experience. It's not a matter of trying to prove it to the world. It's the people who really want to have the experience. They come here and it's theirs. They take it home with them. And that's the only way to do this. It's not a matter of trying to prove it to the disbelievers or the skeptics or the debunkers. People come here and they have their own personal experience. And it's real for them. I know. I know and you can't and there's no way that will be taken away from that person as I had my very, very close-up sighting. People can doubt all they want. I know what I saw. Vince, Vince and Seattle Washington, you're on with James. Art, it's a pleasure. Number one, I'd like to say something to Art and then ask a question of James. Art number one, I would like to see this experiment done again. But I would hope that you could do a live remote on a Saturday and Sunday night at the sanctuary and have people actually focus their attention on the sanctuary itself to see what might happen.

2:25:39I would think that would be very, very interesting. Well indeed, I'm sure it would. You're welcome. Anytime, Art. George too. And James, hi. My name is Vince. My son and I, we both went to the conference last August. I was a guy that wore the dark glasses. You have a beautiful picture of me on your website under the orbs. Okay, great. Orbs are everywhere around there. It's just a beautiful thing. The question I have, James, is that I know that you'll be going with Brooks on this expedition to the North Pole later this year in September, October. I understand. Really? And now, are you going to have another conference there this summer prior to that expedition? You know, we are. We're having another major conference July six through eight. And actually, Brooks is going to be one of the speakers and quite a few others. We have some a really good lineup. Are you going to the North Pole, James? You know, I haven't completely

2:26:44decided yet. They want me to go as kind of one of the people to tap into the beans to gain entrance. So I've been contemplated. I was invited to go. We'll see how it all turns out. A lot has to do with the funding that Brooks Agnew is trying to get together. He has a Russian ship. It's an icebreaker that has the ability to go all the way there. You know, it has a fuel capacity and everything else. But Dr. Solid with Exopolitics is also involved. There's several other people that are all invited to go. And we'll just see how it pans out. Okay. We'll see what happens. Tracy in Minnesota, you're on with James Gillilani. Hi. Hi, Art. This is a definite honor. First of all, I want to let you know that I did do up go outside. And it's really foggy out here in Minnesota. And so I was like, I'm probably

2:27:47not going to see much. But what I did notice, and I don't, I mean, it wasn't anything very, very like definite, but it was like bright sprinkles in my peripheral. And it was kind of weird because I thought it was the snow, but it was way, way up. And it was just like a camp blinking. And so I don't know. I don't know. But I do have a question for James. Okay. You mentioned really early on in the interview about somebody getting beamed with a light in their chest area. Yeah. Well, I had a dream about a month ago. And I've never, ever, ever had any dreams about any UFOs or any type of alien type of dreams. And I just found that this was, it was vivid. It was real. But it was me and a bunch of people. And we were underneath this UFO. And it was hovering. And I was watching everybody line up to go position themselves under some sort of area to for them to get beamed in this light, just like right in the chest and would bring them to their knees. And then when it was my turn to like get this beam of light in my chest,

2:28:51I felt this like telepathic message. I didn't hear words, but it was telepathic. And it was just like, we don't need to give it to you already. Have it inside you. And I just baffled. I don't, like, I just wanted to know if you have anything to say about that. What do you think that is? Well, you know, I actually got beamed in the chest myself. And, and three golden balls of energy came down and it left a burn mark on my chest. Oh my gosh. But, uh, Brooks Agnew, Dr. Agnew also was here. And he had a very similar experience. And they're completely life changing. Wow. And there's an incredible transference of consciousness and energy. And, and after the experience, I had full memory of much of my past, you know, past lives. And some of them weren't even on this planet. And so, you know, it completely changed my life when I had the experience. What do you think that's saying when I dream it? But I didn't have the physical experience like you, because I've never even heard of that. You know, it could be a recall, like a past recall.

2:29:54It could be an interdimensional experience where you went out of body and had had an experience. There's many, many different ways that could have unfolded. Wow. Okay. Cool. Thank you. No, thank you. Okay. Thank you, Tracy. And, uh, take care. I believe from San Francisco, California, it's Angela. Hi. Thank you. And many, many blessings, much love to art and James and everyone out there. Thank you. I wanted to ask James to please clarify what he means by plasma, plasma ship. I'll give a little bit of background. Back in 2003, I saw the astronauts on the Columbia ship, either in a dream or some type of out of body experience. And they were watching something when I woke up. That's when I heard about the explosion and the loss. So,

2:30:57I've been trying to figure that out ever since. And, um, I'd like to hear James's thoughts on plasma. And if that was at all connected or what do you think happened to those astronauts in Columbia? I don't think it had a connection with the plasma ships because they're extremely benevolent beings. They're, um, some of them that are on these golden ships come from Orion. It's like an Orion Council of Light. And, JJ Hurtack talks quite a bit about those. They're in the Bible as well. They talk about the Orion and Platy system. So, you know, going back to one of the other collars, you know, they assume that we're not connected, you know, to God or Jesus or the other masters, but it's all connected. And we need to drop this division, you know, and start thinking in unity consciousness, not this polarity consciousness that we're working under. But, you know, I really don't see any connection other than some faulty

2:32:01equipment, you know, with the shuttle and possibly, you know, who knows something else might have happened on that. But I know one thing is that one of the shuttles was taken up a secret military payload. And, you know, that's kind of a no-no in space. So, something could have happened there. You know, I'm not sure exactly what happened. All right, Mary in New York City, you're on with James. Oh, hi, thank you. Yeah, first, high art James. And thank you for another great show. I think we can all remember the first time we heard your show because that's the last time and he was gone. He could sleep. Yeah, I got to kind of, I guess you were both citing and then two questions. I can't. Okay. This was during the afternoon. And I was on the long moment. We were kind of coming in from Queens and to Penn Station. So, kind of hovering over Northwest Queens. There were two very unusual clouds. Now, they weren't like any other, you know,

2:33:04amorphous clouds. They were kind of, they were shaped like if you look at the side of a snickers bar, you know, kind of long rectangle. And there was kind of one above the other. And they were very unusual coloration like pinkish brownish. And suddenly the top one just disappeared. It within like three seconds that faded to nothing. And well, yes, we're listening. I don't know if you're still with me. Yeah, it was just very unusual because within a matter of a couple of seconds, the top one just disappeared. Yeah, there have been a lot of, there have been a lot of cloud type sightings that are pretty weird. And I've seen some pretty strange clouds myself. You had a couple of questions. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, just quickly, if these aliens are, you know, so benevolent, and if they're able to intervene and, you know, you think they would prevent nuclear exchange, why have they left so many experienced experiments go on so that, you know, these missile silos are even developed, you know,

2:34:08if they can intervene to dismantle them, why don't they even let the test and that kind of thing go on in the first place. And, you know, I'm kind of lost in that kind of thought. But now, the nevertheless, in other words, yeah, in other words, why let it get this far? They've had lots of years to intervene. I think the main thing is that they can't interfere with our evolutionary process. And there are certain places where they can intervene to help us to continue to involve. But some of the things we have to gain the wisdom through experience, they can't come in and just do everything for us. We have to clean up our consciousness and learn from some of the mistakes we make. So it's a very fine line on how much, you know, rope we can, you know, they're going to give it because, you know, we're pretty much at the end of the rope right now, where we're, you know, very close to destroying our environment. We're very close to, you know,

2:35:14moving into a nuclear war. I mean, things are messed down here and we've pushed it to the limit. So I think that's why they're coming right now because we've just pretty much hit the limit of how far we can go. All right. First time called Arlan Joe in Florida. Hi, our Thai James, great show, longtime listener. I got a quick story when I was nine years old. I was residing in St. Clair Shores, Michigan. And my mother called me home from my friend's house. And it was about five, six in the evening. And as I was walking in the front of the house, I heard a humming noise, a deep low hum. I did circles and looked around and didn't do anything. And I decided to look up and there was a metallic craft hovering over me about 60 to 75 feet. And I looked up and there was two beings looking at me through the window. There was two windows and it was all yellow light in the background. And the beings I could make out any facial features, but they were just all black and the head were larger like the gray sort of.

2:36:14And then another being came in the window and they exchanged something in their hands and they all three looked at me at once. Joe, I hate to do it to you, but our program is over. I have to go. James, I want to thank you for being here. I want to address the audience very quickly. We'll do another show soon, but this will be quite a night. James, I guarantee. Oh, thank you so much for having me on. Good night, my friend. And listen, everybody. Let's do it again right now. As the program ends, remember a good time in your life, a joyous time in your life, and then attach to it a very strong intent for them to show themselves in our skies. Can't say we didn't try. Let's give it a really good shot right now. Good night.