FDA shakeups and vaccine policy turmoil

0:00Well, come to the untold, take it deep breath, take the higher road, that's why they always say, as if they know the way, they won't take it from me. But don't ever doubt yourself by swiping just a drain, you made your own so kick and scream. The people will lie with a never-ending force, you never have the chance, so watch your waiting for it. This is come, my friend, cause this is one. It's time and this is one. Welcome to the Nurses Report on America Out Loud. My name is Ashley Grog, I'm your host today. I joined with me, or joining with me, are my two usual suspects, Nicole and Nurse Dave, and I'm so excited for them to be here.

1:07We have so much fun together on and off camera. It's just a party here, and we love our job of volunteer activity. It's a blast. We get to cut up, we get to learn, and we're going to teach you a lot today. We're going to have some interesting conversations coming out of the headlines. It's always fun to take a minute and just jump down funny trails and frolic in this very dark and disturbing world. And we're going to do that today. So here we go. Nurse Dave, you want to go ahead and give yourself a quick introduction? Hello, my name is David Wayne, I'm a nurse with a background in hospital psychiatry. I was a COVID dissident nurse, then I became a fire nurse, and now I scream into the void here on the Nurses Report with Ashley and Nicole. Excellent. And Nurse Nicole. And just like Dave, love being here with my Friday Q&A group. I've been a nurse 20 years in the cardiac field of nursing, and my big push is trying to teach on bodily sovereignty informed consent and local and state level to make sure people know their rights as Floridians when it comes to medical freedom.

2:10Yeah, so Nicole pretty much does my intro for me usually because we're about the same, except I've been out of the Western system for about 10 years. And we both work legislatively author of resuscitating nursing. If you are a nurse or you love one, go get a copy now. It's time to resuscitate nursing. I'm done with this baloney. We can do so much good in this world if we all just put in a little effort. And so that's just why I love the nurses report here in America out loud because you get a different nurse perspective five days a week, 10 a.m. Eastern time. Next day, well, actually, you can watch the replay, the rerun at 11 o'clock. Is that right? And then the next day goes to podcasts. So you get a very perspective on things. We don't always agree. And that's what's so great about it because you get real raw information. You watch us work through real life problems and things that are happening in the world and understand that medical professionals can actually be humble and we're okay with you fact checking us. Check out our page on America out loud send us an email nurses at America out loud dot com. And if you find something to fact check, we'll gladly go back and review that. So it's an exciting time.

3:14I want to toss it right over to Dave. And he's going to talk to us a little bit about Vignet person. First, I'll say I agree. Nurses have a really interesting perspective on the world that is worth platforming. I'll give a specific example today. The weather is fantastic here in Wisconsin. So as I've been out and about, I've seen all these people who busted out their motorcycle for the first time this year and now they're zipping up and down the highway. I actually saw somebody standing on the seat of their motorcycle as they were going down the highway with one hand on the handlebars. And seeing that as a nurse made me think, my co-workers on the neuro unit are going to have a busy shift and gosh, some of the people on the organ donor waiting list might have a lucky day today. So don't don't don't do that. People might be smart. You get one body. Don't it's not worth it. Yeah. Regarding the neighbor sad. So this is somebody that I talked about when he first got appointed to director role at the FDA last year at approximately this time.

4:14And he was a very controversial figure. People in Trump's orbit did not like this appointment because he had said some really nasty stuff about Trump over the years and people who were pharmaceuticals were also unhappy with this appointment because he has been very outspoken about the need for better evidence based medicine and better regulatory procedures at institutions like the FDA. So he was basically pissing everyone off on both sides. And my prediction was that he was actually a really good fit for this position. And I was looking forward to seeing the work that he would insist on happening from industry in his role deciding whether or not some of these products are going to come to market. And in my opinion, I've been vindicated. He, I believe, has done a good job in sort of policing industry and insisting on good evidence being submitted when a farmer is submitting a product for approval for mass distribution. Either review guys remember talking about in a preside or have a take on him or have you seen headlines on him.

5:20Yeah, I mean, essentially he's been in the news off and on and, you know, I feel like a lot of people still are not quite sure about him because of some of the information that he's gone back and forth on and maybe his ties to big farmer, there I say. And so I know that a lot of people have brought that up in the past kind of unsure how they felt about him and kind of what his role was essentially going to look like as things unfolded with this administration. Yeah, I definitely think people have had back and forth. I've had back and forth moments, you know, with him, but it's interesting because if you take a step back and you're willing to let go of the anger and the rage that things aren't moving fast enough in the way that we want them to. Is that a sign of discernment? Is it, you know, part corruption, probably, but is it a sign of discernment and he's really trying to, you know, split the difference on things seeing the Moderna flu vaccine held up had me pretty excited and then that was, I think you told me that that was called out and I was so disappointed.

6:20And so yeah, it's been an interesting ride. That's for sure. That was a really interesting incident that happened. Gosh, was it only weeks ago or was it, yeah, it was in February of 2026. Basically Moderna submitted an application for their new mRNA flu vaccine to the FDA and Vinay Prasad said, hey, we told you guys, if you're going to submit an application for a new product, make sure that it's good science. Make sure that your control group isn't given a really crappy vaccine. Make sure you don't have your thumb on the scale and he refused to have the FDA even review it when he saw how they conducted their study. He said, this isn't good enough. We told you that garbage studies like this isn't good enough. We're not even going to review it and per usual just like we talked about with antidepressants in Europe. Things happened behind closed doors. We don't know what was said, but a couple days later, the FDA ended up backtracking and saying, fine, we'll review it. And I've just taken kind of a cursory glance at what Moderna submitted and it's it's it's silly. It's a they try and promote it as if it's this huge win. This flu shot is so much better than the old flu shot.

7:29It's 27% better than the old flu shot and people might think to themselves like, wow, I would really like to have a 20% 27% less of a chance of getting the flu. But of course, they're lying with statistics. They are confedulating. They are mixing up relative risk reduction and absolute risk reduction. So what their data actually said was people who got the regular flu shot had a 2.8% chance of getting the flu and the people who got the Moderna flu shot had a 2.0% chance of getting the flu. And so that's where they play games with statistics. They take that 0.8% absolute difference and they turn it into relative risk reduction. And it sounds like, oh, wow, what a wonderful product. When really, if it were explained to people, if people were given informed consent, hey, we have this new mRNA product, it's going to reduce your chance of getting the flu compared to the old flu shot by 0.8%. And like that's when you start to look at the side effect profile and the number of people who have side effects that are worse than the flu, it just the risk benefit analysis is not there.

8:34So I was very happy when I initially saw that he wasn't even going to review it. I was very much saddened when things happened behind closed doors and he was overruled. And now I am equally sad that he is apparently being forced out of the FDA because that's the most recent headline that has come out is that he's going to be leaving. And this makes me sad because him being forced out by pharma shills and pharma horrors is actually an indication that he was doing a good job there. Yeah, well, that's obvious states of statements of magic math. That's what we love to call that magic math where they look at that relative versus absolute. And for everyday people out there who are listening, don't let these statements get you overwhelmed. Like absolute means absolutely what's happening and relative is like meh compared to this other thing, right. So I think that people having that understanding and recognizing that is so important for informed decision making and it's funny because I was reading a brownstone article recently and it was talking about the confidence, a Gallup poll.

9:36I think it was just recently released from 2025, have negative views of big pharma are up to 58%. It's pretty crazy. Every other industry is about 40%. But it's been a steady decline since 2010. So that's opioid crisis. Yeah. Yeah. Timeline, it's wild to me that it's not higher than that that more people don't have a negative view of pharma. What people pay attention. I was it that 40 some percent of people still have a positive view of pharma. What is what is going on? We need we need a bigger audience. I think it's actually down to 28% percentage of you else adults with a positive view of each institution from 2000 to 2005 and 2025 is down to 28%. Other industries are about 40%. So, you know, it's and it's the downslope on these graphs is pretty significant. So the brownstone article. What the polls say about pharmaceutical industry, I'll pop that in the show notes so that people can take a look at that because it is really interesting to watch how this is happening and we definitely do need a bigger audience.

10:40So make sure that when you're on your socials, you're sharing these episodes with your friends and with your family tag them, tell them a specific thing about the episode that you found interesting. That's so important because there's so much information out there. You know, what I love about my fellow nurses is we're not just sitting here complaining. We're giving action items. We're helping you understand how you can make these changes because it's it's going to take, you know, a lot of us to stand up and push back and we're starting to see the fruits of some other people's early laborers. And if we just all jump on the train and get it really rolling, we might actually have more people like Vignet in office to or not in office, but in a position where they can make a difference and call these magic masters out on their baloney. It's just a sad that he's it's sad that he's leaving and it just speaks to how entrenched the swamp is in the nameless faceless bureaucrats who work their entire careers at these federal institutions where it doesn't matter who's elected and this is just, you know, it's just business as usual and it doesn't doesn't actually matter who's at the top of the organization doesn't matter what happens in November during election cycles is just they they run the show and they know it and they're entrenched and here we are.

11:55It's very disheartening. And Cole, you have any input on that? Well, I mean, just like they said, it just goes to show that, you know, it really doesn't matter who's in office, you can have the best intentions, but it really is driven by the people around those individuals, what they're allowed to do. I mean, we see this all the time when it comes to stuff in healthcare and wanting to do the right thing and having support and trying to be there for people that, you know, say, for instance, the COVID-19 long haulers vaccine, you know, it's a constant push. And anyone who pushes too hard pushes himself out the door. So it's just it's it's unfortunate to bring it back to what Ashley said earlier as well. The number of people who now have a negative view of big pharma, what big pharma and their ghouls would say is that that's because of misinformation and disinformation. And that's actually why it's so important that we engage in more censorship and because all these people who are creating this distrust for our industry, they're doing so much harm, they're making people hesitant to take these important life-saving medications like antidepressants and vaccines. That's that's what they would say.

13:02Yeah, I don't disagree with that at all. I think the key is we see these people who push back, we have to keep installing and insulating them. So one person, you know, and it's not really one person right now, it's Vignet, it's RFK. You know, we've gotten some Jay Padajarya, we've gotten some good people in these positions. We're going to see them drop out. We're going to see some of them crumble. It's like with anything else, like we have to keep on putting good employees in there. And in politics, it's called the Overton window, the view of what's publicly acceptable. And as we start putting more of those people in, I don't see the loss of Vignet as it's a loss. It's a loss, right? But it's not defeat. And so we have to keep, you know, chugging along on that. It might be, you know, a stress and effect type incident, too. He already had a huge social media following before he went to the FDA. Now when he's unleashed after being off of social media during his tenure at the FDA, this might be really interesting. And it might actually further the important agenda of valuing evidence-based medicine more than he would have, you know, in this very shackled role that he ended up having at the FDA.

14:14And this actually might backfire for the pharma goals just because this is a very well-spoken person with a huge social media presence who is kind of broken through and above the censorship industrial complex. So it'll be really interesting to follow him on social media once he returns, which I hope is soon. Well, you heard it here. You heard it here for, man, guys, come on. You heard it here first, folks. Dave was, it was right about, you know, Vignet, in my opinion, you know, doing a great job. And that's probably why he's getting chased out. And so I look forward to having another episode where we get to talk about this. And we get to say, hey, look, Brave Dave was right again. And now we see these floodgates open a whole other way through his social media. So anything else on on that topic? I don't think so. Okay. So I totally went down a bunny trail. And I don't even know, like I don't even know how it happened. It was absolutely wild. I think I was scrolling. I get suggestions on my phone from Google and an article popped up about the Philippines and forced vaccinations.

15:23And I was like, oh, that's really interesting. The title was DOH Department of Health, not recommending penalties for failing to immunize children says exec. And so I went into read and I was like, this is really interesting. What are we going to see? I didn't really know much about the laws and the Philippines. But basically what had happened is there was a panel meeting, which I think is like a legislative meeting there. And one of the statements that was made by, I'm probably going to say this name wrong. Eme Liza Chiang during the House panel's hearing was an quote, consider including a provision of minor penalties for parents or caregivers who after do notice. Consciously neglect their duty to provide their children with the utmost protection from vaccine preventable diseases. And then she enumerated the recommendations from the department and apparently their vaccination rate there isn't great. It's 60 to 70%. They cited that confidence is actually pretty high. But apparently there are some other barriers with literacy health literacy is what they're saying.

16:26They're confident in them, but they're health illiterate. I don't know how you can have those two things coincide. But 60 to 70% between 2018 and 2022 of the children were immunized for what they call vaccine preventable diseases. So pretty low vaccination rates. And this was interesting to me for two reasons. Number one, the fact that the, the secretary, because this was an, they call them undersecretaries, health undersecretary. Made the statement about providing penalties, but the secretary came out and blatantly said they're not recommending the addition of penalties for failure to have children immunized the correct ways to improve information and education initiatives as there are human rights involved. Love that. What do you guys think about that initial statement coming out from the secretary of the Department of Health down there? Oh, that's great to, great to hear that. Yeah, human rights. Exactly. I think it's a really interesting trade bunny trail to follow. Actually, where you look at what these other countries are doing with their vaccine policies and how they handle informed consent and that sort of thing.

17:33I know one of the things I saw recently was that actually a lot of the communist countries are less strict with vaccine mandates than a lot of so-called western democracies are, which is just absolutely mind-boggling. I mean, it's the same thing with free speech. You look at how many thousands of people in the UK have been arrested for Facebook posts that air quotes cause people anxiety over things like saying only men can get pregnant and, you know, the UK and some of these other countries are locking up way more people than Russia is for free speech violations. So yeah, looking at their vaccine policies and then comparing what they're doing over there to the US is really interesting. Yeah, it's definitely something that is to take note of because, like you said, at this point, you can't even work with your free speech without being jailed in some of these areas, but they don't necessarily push having these vaccine mandates like we do in the States. It's quite wild to think the staunch difference, if you will, and why we fight so hard here and we're a first world country. So here we are. So yeah, good point.

18:36Well, and to me, the thing that is like pretty wild is when I think of the Philippines, I do not think of a very wealthy country. You can live a really good life there on a couple hundred dollars a month. I mean, you're living middle class life. And so access to care is going to be low medical technology is going to be decreased. And so when you hear of a country that has immunization rates well below, quote, herd immunity of like 96%. We're talking 60 to 70% here. Why are these kids not all dying? Now it does seem that they have pretty high rates of tuberculosis going around in the Philippines, but that was the most of what they looked at in this article. So I don't know if that's primarily what they're focusing on or if they are focusing on the greater overall picture, but it was interesting. I wanted to do a deep dive on this me Lisa, because she made some other comments and they're really pushing different different aspects of this and some of the things that were touched on in this panel were the 2030 vaccine agenda, as well as institutionalizing different implementation factors of their immunization programs.

19:49And so it's really interesting. They're really focused on maternal health care and immunization. So is she a big pharmaceutical that's just gotten in there and they're trying to come in there and take over and increase these rates. The other aspect and real quick before we've got about maybe three minutes before we go to break here, the other aspect of this for me was maybe we should watch the death rates of this is horrible morbid, as you said earlier, about the man writing his bike motorcycle standing up like nurses have kind of a morbid perspective and I'm sitting here going, well, we should probably be tracking death rates of children and increase of sids in the Philippines, because I think that this is the most important thing to do. There's going to be a big problem for them. So any thoughts or comments on 2030 or sids or, you know, I mean, we've tried to pass that here in Florida. I mean, essentially when you have an increase in vaccinations and, you know, children are notably dying within the 72 hour to seven day mark.

20:56And there was nothing else given but the vaccines. I mean, it's really important that that be monitored and most states do not have to report that. I don't know if any actually that have to report when a sudden death occurs in an infant child or young adult that that is part of it and something that in Florida, we really tried to pass this year that did not make it to the floor, unfortunately, but would be holding that truth into, you know, putting it into the medical history and making sure that the medical examiner is new. So if, in fact, a child had a vaccine within 90 days. So I think it's a very valid point. And if it is something that changes within the Philippines, that that would definitely want to be monitored and to know that the 2030 agenda is something that consistently pushes more of this quote unquote public health initiative, more vaccines, all this other stuff that we know as propaganda, you know, it's relevant to know and as healthcare providers, something that should be reported and documented as such. And this or a reminder to the audience because we're told that a connection between vaccines and SIDS is a conspiracy theory.

21:57You should look up the lawsuit against Wyeth from an incident that happened in Tennessee in the 1970s, where they had a cluster of SIDS deaths related to one bad vaccine batch. Wyeth is now, of course, part of Pfizer and what all the pharma companies decided to do at that point in time when they looked at this cluster of infants who died after vaccination in one town in Tennessee, they got together and they said, you know what we need to do? We need to create plausible deniability for vaccines being linked to SIDS deaths. So when we make a batch of vaccines, we need to distribute it throughout the entire country so that we don't have these clusters of deaths. They know they have known for a long time. They looked at the piles of dead infants and decided, you know what? Instead of making our product safer, we need to shield ourselves from liability and control the narrative and call people conspiracy theorists when they link our products to the death of their precious child. So that had to say it. Yep, I'm glad you did. I'll try to pull an article or two. Maybe if you have a good one, I'll throw it in.

22:58Mary and Damasi's sub-stack. She's got a good article about it. It might be paywall, but she's someone who comes to mind who's who's covered that before because she's actually posted some of the court documents where you can see them discussing it like, hey, this is a problem for our bottom line. What are we going to do about this? I know. Let's distribute every batch across the wide geographical area to give us plausible deniability so they can't definitively link the vaccine to the death. It's a great idea. That's a fantastic way to cover up the deaths of infants. Like this is the discussions that these ghouls have and have been having since before we were born. And I think ghouls is the right term to say there and it's funny because you're leading right into the next thing that I found that kind of peaked my ears, which is the vaccine injury compensation programs. And so we're going to go to a quick break. We're going to hear from some sponsors. If you haven't seen on the America Out Loud page, there is a big event happening in Nashville. You can't miss it when you visit the website. And so check that out. I know that several of our fellow radio hosts will be down there. And so it'll be a great chance for you to meet some of them.

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28:31Amy Lisa Chung who I highly suspect is a big pharmaceutical. That's my opinion not that of anybody else to speak for myself. You know she's talking about including provisions for penalties for parents and caregivers who don't vaccinate later down in the article she is reported to continue to talk about different aspects of vaccinations. This is what really caught my eye she brought up the fact that they needed to increase rates and they need to make sure that the vaccines are available. So the direct quote says to ensure study availability of vaccines by including provisions to streamline its procurement process through issuance of special permits or procedures as deemed legally acceptable. So with all that garbally book it I had to read it a couple times because I was like what is she getting at like what is she getting at special permits.

29:32What's your initial thought totally putting you on the spot there Nicole what's your initial thought when you hear about these special permits. I mean that seems like something more behind the scenes when it comes to some sort of deal being made in my first thought maybe working with these particular companies organizations. Whatever the powers may be to have an agreement on how things are going to look be ran monitored et cetera that that's my first thought. Yeah 100% Dave it reminds me of Pfizer's vaccine roll out when they were selling vaccines to countries around the world and these countries signed these incredible agreements with Pfizer that Pfizer was going to be indemnified from any sort of liability regarding these vaccines and we only know about some of the content of those contracts because of people in countries. That leaked some of it but it basically Pfizer in these contracts said we don't know what the long term effects of these mRNA vaccines are going to be but you can never ever ever ever sue us under any conditions and like it's it's insane.

30:34So that's what I think about when I think about procurement and having contracts and stuff like that it's you know some of these pharma companies have their legal department has a bigger budget than the entire GDP is some of these third world countries. So yeah they're absolute ghouls and predators and they're they've got a they've got a product to sell they don't want to have any liability these countries don't have a 1986 vaccines act like the US does so yeah they're they're making them sign these deals that that completely protect the predators. So that's exactly that's exactly what I thought and I was like I wonder do they have anything like this and the Philippines did have a special permit for the COVID vaccine to shield liability and they do have some other provisions and it was kind of hard to figure out I mean I don't speak tag long and so there's that whole issue. Slacker no right so it was very difficult to kind of figure out they do have something but I I was even more curious and so I went to chat GPT because I wanted to just kind of like pick its brain real quick to see what direction I should go in in regards to.

31:42Learning more about vaccine injury compensation programs and what I found was there are different types so we have the vaccine injury compensation program here in America and it is run by HHS and you basically sue HHS when you have a vaccine injury and so that's a pretty big deal. I mean you don't actually get to litigate against these companies you have to file a claim you have three years to file that claim and it we've known people who have been in vaccine court for years and unfortunately not had any results and so it's absolutely wild to think about this the thing that peaked my interest was there are three countries that have shared liability or insurance pools and that would be Sweden Finland and Denmark and so what they have. Is where pharmaceuticals participate in insurance pools that they're required to be a part of and so I thought oh so instead of taxpayers having to pay for this it's actually the insurance companies that's brilliant well they pass that along to the taxpayers into the public though right I'm I'm sure they do I'm absolutely sure they do.

32:56It's things to think about and ways to you know attack this hopefully when either Thomas Massey or rep gossip from Arizona get their vaccine carve out bills past right haha other countries have similar vaccine injury compensation programs to ours and Africa Latin America and Southern America South South America don't know why I said Southern America South America don't really talk about it much. And Southeast Asia all are pretty much exempt like they don't have any vaccine injury compensation programs however the global health programs like Gabi our favorite people at Gabi created a no fault compensation system for vaccines distributed through international programs and it's really interesting because I wonder is that a they probably don't want to do no fault in most cases there.

33:56Because the people don't have the money to really sue these are third world countries they're not going to be able to go after billion dollar enterprises and so that's one thing but I almost wonder if Gabi has put these no fault systems in place because the governments were suing them for administering the vaccinations any thoughts on all of that. It kind of reminds me of the movie the constant gardener if no one's familiar this was like supposedly this fictional story about a big pharma company doing research in Africa and it's it's really really dark and the author was asked the multitude of times like hey where did you where did you you know get your ideas for this story and he essentially ended up saying like this is based on real life but real life is actually much worse than I even portrayed in this movie. It's also a book but I don't know it makes me it makes me think of that it makes me think of Canada their vaccine injury prevention program where basically some of the vaccine injured people like Kayla Pollack who's now a quadriplegic after getting the Moderna mRNA shot she they just connect Canada's reaction to her is to continuously offer her made which is medical assistance and dying she they will not pay for the care that she needs as a quadriplegic from the shot they made her take instead.

35:17They just keep telling her over and over to kill herself and again you know knowing that they and Canada go straight to made and keep expanding their you know per procedures on who qualifies you know knowing that these other countries that don't have as many resources is maybe you know the United States or Canada and knowing some of the risks that we are very familiar with with these vaccines that puts them more at risk and then understanding what may happen after that right. What where do they go where would they be able to turn to for alternatives or is there anything or is it just more or less you're just cutting your losses and they're just living with it and then it's going to you know start to compile itself like we've seen in the United States post COVID so you know a lot of things to consider but also most countries don't have plans in place as evidence by all these individuals who are vaccine injured who may not even know they're injured and are seeking health care and help and we don't even acknowledge that they exist in the first place. And then if we do then it's like trying to meet criteria to see what we can do to help them and it's not studied enough to really know so yeah there's a lot of things that open Pandora's box when you start introducing all that stuff.

36:27Yeah and it's really interesting too because I started down the whole govy train and World Health Organization recommendations for coverage and I found the Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety. This is from I think 2019 I'm going to put the link in the show notes but it's really it's funny but it's not like it's it's just interesting so it goes to say with improved global capacity for vaccine safety surveillance. Including more reporting and investigation of adverse events following immunization in low and middle income countries who member states are identifying and documenting reactions with scientific evidence of causal associations with vaccination okay I'm going to say that again with scientific evidence of causal associations with vaccination. So I a institute of medicine IOM has categorically denied repeatedly there's not evidence to prove or disprove this is a result so now they're saying hey we're seeing this continues.

37:36This has led to an increased interest and discussion of the need for national no fault compensation policies for vaccine injuries so they're finding the scientific evidence of a causal relationship and therefore it is pushing for the no faults policies because the vaccine manufacturers are being sued and this is where we go back to the statement by this sweetie in the Philippines talking about needing these special permits to ensure stability of availability. So later on in this article by the global advisory committee on vaccine safety it says GACBS acknowledge that as countries continue to extend the use of vaccines and strengthen their safety surveillance and investigative capacity occasional severe vaccine associated reactions will continue to be identified. No fault vaccine injury compensation programs are considered a measure to maintain confidence in immunization programs as they increase adequacy and fairness of compensation by providing clear criteria and process to access compensation for vaccine injuries that last bit had me a little angry.

38:53Fairness of compensation by providing clear criteria and processes to access compensation that means shielding big pharma all the more. Thoughts yeah that's exactly what it means it's it's all about shielding the pharma ghouls from any sort of liability like any chance they have to pass that off to the government is a huge win for them. I mean correct me if I'm wrong but COVID vaccines in the US how many injuries have been paid out it's under 10 isn't it isn't it like seven or maybe 12 like we know from VAERS there that there have been tens of thousands of deaths that's probably much less catastrophic injuries or correlations of causation of VAERS report doesn't prove causation blah blah blah blah blah no we know that there had an enormous amount of Americans have been injured by COVID vaccines and and the number who have been given a payout from this joke of a system through suing HHS is just it's a real travesty I'm going to have to fact check myself here and do either of you know off the top of your head how many payouts are going it's a very small number and it was only for severe anaphylaxis from what I know.

40:02That these people have been compensated the COVID vaccine was covered under counter measure injury compensation program and so those people were limited to filing a claim within one year of vaccine administration so if your injury wasn't noticed or diagnosed or you weren't aware of the counter measure injury compensation program a year to the day from when you were vaccinated you're out of luck. Point blank and that's and how many people could even get their stuff together to prove that I mean that's basically what's happened is that there's so many individuals that didn't even know necessarily that it was an injury and those that actually knew that it came from the vaccine based on the timeline couldn't get physicians to actually sign on the dotted line that that's what it was and continue to be gaslit and turned away and so you know for the listeners you know how where we stand for the most part you know the fact that there's risks.

41:02There has to be choice and to know that you're pushing this on individuals you're telling them to have no options you're saying you can't be a productive member of society you can't work you can't go to school you can't travel but at the same time if something happens to you you're only a government or made yourself or you know sign up to the euthanized death. It's just mind blowing that this and this is why we get so passionate because you can't have both ways yet there's people who still don't side with us and say that it's just part of public health and safety no it's not I'm not a martyr to inject myself to protect you from something when we know that half the time that's not even what happens and then if something happens to me everyone's got free even the physician like there's nobody come on get out here get out of here that's right. So you know I was going to save this for a little bit later after we talked about the different I want to go over some of these programs and talk about what they have in them but since we're already here you know it's important to point out that CICP countermeasure injury compensation program is for countermeasure so things that aren't necessarily approved there being you know fast track and used experimentally and that's what covid vaccine was.

42:12And I'm not even sure if it has crossed over and I haven't done the research quite frankly so somebody knows feel free to fill in but I don't think it has ever been put on VICP I do not think it is in there despite being put on the childhood schedule as well as recommended now it's off but I think for it to be covered under VICP they have to update the vaccine injury compensation table of reportable events and compensatable injuries so if it's not on that table it can't be compensated. Through those programs and so and and Nicole is putting in chat because of the prep act which I'm sure is accurate but we've talked about some of the shifts with the happy vaccine and I think that the happy vaccine is still falling underneath VICP because of the fact that rather than being able to sue for injuries is still falling underneath VICP because it's not been taken off that table. So anyways the U.S. has a population of about 33 million in the U.S. claimants are required to provide and this is for VICP so the vaccine injury compensation program this is for kids who kids and adults the childhood schedule so the things that are recommended routinely for children and pregnant women.

43:21The claimants are required to provide quote undeniably high levels of epidemiological evidence for their claim this is from an article that I'll link in the notes going over the different vaccine injury compensation programs they usually require legal representation to handle the immensity of their claims covered compensation would include medical bills, bills, loss wages, future costs, attorneys fees, death and non economic losses. There's a tax levy that provides we've talked about this 75 cents on each antigen so every like the M is 75 cents the M is 75 cents and the R MMR is each a 75 cents tax to cover the cost of the program and it's crazy it's absolutely crazy this states that the VICP has an average and this was published in 2021. This is a report of 643 claims per year with 34% of those claims receiving compensation 80% of that 34% and I had to do a little bit digging and I'm pretty confident in saying that it is 80% of the 34% are settled out of court and we don't get to see that so 643 average per year.

44:34One of those which is 34% are covered and are compensated 60 roughly to 80% if they're compensated outside of the court that's 130 to 175 compared to that maybe 40 to 20 to 40% which would be 44 to 89 of that 219. So just to put that in perspective that 44 to maybe 89 and I think that 89 is a generous those are actually settled by the courts. I continued digging because I know from personal stories that these cases that go to CICP take forever and I was able to find another article that was a report done and let me pull that up here. It showed 51% of claims to VICP from 1999 to 2014 take more than five years over 51% and at the time of this publishing 11% of those were still pending so there are more over 10% were still pending.

45:42Absolutely crazy only 11% of cases are solved within a or resolved within a year and those are probably table injuries. Okay so to summarize to prove that a vaccine caused you an injury takes on average over five years but in the clinical trials of all the vaccines currently on this childhood schedule they did not use an inert placebo and their safety monitoring was on average for two to three days. Like this is this is absolute insanity like they require this incredible burden this incredible mountain of evidence to prove that you were injured by a vaccine but they do not require a mountain of evidence from the manufacturers to look at the safety data of that same vaccine. It's it's that they're holding the victims to an incredibly higher standard than they're holding the pharma goals and you only have three years to file a petition. So three years that's nothing and quote undeniably high levels of epidemiological evidence for their claim epidemiological so anyways.

46:48So it's so I mean it's just obviously so corrupt and broken it's it's. You better remember a lot of these people that are injured they suffer pretty pretty decent injuries where they might not be able to work they may not be able to work as much. They may be significantly disabled within six months to a year they can have their health significantly decline you've seen that a lot. So these people are already suffering and then you're throwing them into a very stressful situation trying to get them to go to court you know go up against these lawyers have all these things that cost time and money that they don't have. Meanwhile they're losing their cars their homes their jobs family is you know disowning them because you know some people agree with this some people don't and there's just like nothing going on to help these individuals and it's just it's purposely like this as we know it's purposely being done this way to deter people. But also to make it so that there isn't have to be any payouts this is how they go around it. Well and they don't go after the epidemiological evidence they purposefully hide it and that's why they chose epidemiological I mean let's be honest right.

47:49So you know go ahead Dave. I was going to say to just I think it's really interesting that they have a separate program for COVID vaccine injuries that you know it's the countermeasure injury compensation program. And I just want to call out how the COVID vaccines were not a product of you know the FDA or HHS or even a Pfizer ultimately this was a department of defense product. For example in the Brooke Jackson Pfizer whistleblower lawsuit she was running one of their clinical trial sites she has documented evidence of fraud that has been peer reviewed and published in the British medical journal. The defendant across the courtroom from her is Pfizer and the Department of Defense it's not HHS it's not FDA it's the Department of Defense and let's just also take a moment to acknowledge how insane it is that you know we're talking about countermeasures here countermeasures to what to a pandemic. What was a pandemic well it was caused by gain a function research that was paid for by the US by people like Anthony Fauci the people who caused the pandemic were put in charge of handling the pandemic that they caused and we still haven't reconciled for any of them.

48:52For any of that here in 2026 we're just like the is there no end to this insanity. So just to clarify the countermeasure injury compensation program was established long before COVID came along and it covered a lot of other things in including I think there was some hand sanitizer covered underneath this I think they're the masks actually I'm sure that the masks were covered under. The compensation program monkeypox was countermeasure compensation program and so this is an existing program I don't even know where they got the funding for this it was a whole hot mess when I started diving into that and we're not going to go there today. I want to focus on the childhood immunization program because I think when we look at this in the light of everything that's that's coming forward right now the shifts with that we've had in policy the decreased trust in big pharma and even. The fact that we might even be able to start talking about injuries not only from COVID but from childhood vaccine injuries we're going to continue to see shifts in the way that the public is accepting of these interventions and hopefully our laws and ensuring the right to refuse vaccination across the board and so you know in my pursuit I I found this great article which again I quoted a bit there.

50:10About the vaccine injury compensation program in the United States but Denmark's was established in 1972 so we just adopted a very similar vaccination schedule as what Denmark has so they were a few years before us the most frequent vaccines that occur in compensation litigation in Denmark include pertussis diphtheria tetanus polio and tuberculosis which tuberculosis is not on our schedule. The minimum financial compensation is 60 US dollars and the upper average payout is a hundred thousand US dollars equivalent and so I'm not sure what that 60 dollars is for is that for like the local systemic reaction that's kind of weird but you know whatever compensation can include loss of earnings or work capacity permanent injury pain suffering health expenses related to the treatment death benefits for dependent family members and funeral expenses. And the standard of proof in Denmark is only 51% likelihood that the injury is associated with the vaccine well let that sink in.

51:15So Denmark is not the only one Finland established their vaccine injury compensation program in 1984 and theirs is one of those where the manufacturers are required to join to be covered in the case of litigation against them so it's basically an insurance program that they participate in. And they can be litigated and include compensation for pain suffering permanent disability cosmetic injuries scars and narcolepsy again 50% standard of proof for compensation and they actually have a pretty high award rate of about 50% of all claims receiving an award and there's about a million dollars paid out annually to claimants. But we do want to note all of these all of these countries have socialized medicine I mean these are keeping paid out by taxpayer right I mean it in a distance. So it's interesting I didn't look at Finland I did look at Sweden and Sweden's is an in addition to their standard health care coverage and it's it's paid into by the pharmaceutical industry and it did say that their medical system there.

52:28You know normal insurance covers all of their health care needs and so this is just in addition to so it is definitely a taxpayer burden for sure. But a country the size of Finland I didn't look up their population Sweden's population is like 68 million versus the United States which is like 333 million and so to pay out a million dollars annually is pretty significant. And you know Germany was the first established vaccine and your compensation program in 1961 wow yeah Finland has about six million people oh six million. It says right here that's 26 the population of Finland is approximately 5.66 million so this is where you know you can get away with some of that stuff because it's such a small that's not even in city of Orlando. But hold the train hold the train they're paying out a million dollars annually to claimants let's see what how much they pay and hold on please hold.

53:31Please hold I'm going to move on so Germany talked about it very briefly so it covers mandatory and recommended vaccination vaccinations which are very year by year which I found interesting it's not only awarded compensation is not only awarded for death benefits but survivor benefits as well. Also includes compensation in the form of social assistance for health well being an economic consequences of injuries. They are funded through the general revenue or state government and it that Germany actually started the whole vaccine injury compensation program movement so it would be interesting to kind of dive in and see what what was the driving factor for that. That's interesting because that year 1961 that was right around when all these vaccines were first hitting the market yeah that's you know within a few years of the first measles months or Bella vaccines like this early 60s. Yeah I think 57 was when it first came out measles vaccine and then it wasn't really widely rose until later but maybe Germany was ahead of the US so France developed theirs in 1963.

54:38They have a limitation of four years you have to with four years with it within the injury within four years of the injury excuse me. They require that and they have that higher burden of proof they have 39 claims per year with 68 million people and there were 800,000 babies born in 2022 so that's just interesting. I think that these arbitrary time limits of one year four years whatever they are want to just call those out because we suspect that a lot of vaccine injuries do take a long time to manifest things like autoimmune problems things like allergies and asthma these can take way longer than one year five years to really manifest for a person and then the science needed to definitively link it to vaccines it's just it's not being it's not being done and they're taking a lack of evidence as proof that there isn't a problem there which is the game. They always play Nicole you have some info on Finland for us. Yeah just really quickly Finland's payout for health care as of 2017 was 25.12 billion dollars in US money which makes about 9.2% of their GDP also covering 76.8% of the total cost of health care needs and it did mention that they do have some small co pays with each visit but they do have a cap on it.

55:55So it's quite significant the amount of money being put in for such a small population of people so that is rather interesting it's quite high. Yeah I'm not familiar with their standards over there. So the UK started their vaccine injury compensation program in 1979 and pays out an average of two million US dollars per year to claimants. They have six years within the time frame of the injury and the maximum payout per approved claim. So two million dollars the maximum proof payout is $155,000. We encourage you to go out there to be informed. Write down those questions go back and listen to what Dave had said because that is a very sage advice. Find out if your provider is going to be open to helping you make an informed decision rather than telling you what you must do. And that's all for the nurses report here on America Out Loud we hope you have a wonderful day.