European Americans (Featuring Trevor Raein)

0:00Hello, and welcome to Act Tongue Americana, a Disney right podcast for the Midwest and flyover country. I'm your host, Gordon Call. And today I am joined by a special guest Trevor Reign. Trevor Reign is the, I guess, uh, the head honcho at European Americans, which, uh, describes itself on its telegram channel as classy Nazis taking back Detroit, uh, truth and beauty save our people. Uh, Trevor reached out to me in on via telegram and he and his group do a lot of political activism in Detroit, uh, and they seem to have a lot of fun doing it. And so Trevor, I want to thank you for coming on and, uh, maybe you would just take this opportunity to introduce yourself to the audience and kind of explain what it is you're doing here. Sure. Yes. Yep. I'm Trevor Reign. Thank you for having me. Um, yep. I'm the leader of European Americans. We are classy Nazis, we're taking Detroit, um, so we're a, um, an explicit national socialist group, uh, but we are not trying to start chapters all over the country, um,

1:04we are trying to focus on local and political power. Our ultimate goal is to retake Detroit as a white metropolis. Um, many people in the movement, they have very justified grievances with the left and how, um, big cities are managed. But we seek to actually exert an explicit, um, Nazi presence in these areas and actually kind of take back the beauty and the grandeur and the culture of the city for the white man. And we seek to do that with Detroit as kind of an exemplar. Um, I think there's a lot of potential in Detroit for various reasons that we could probably get into. But Detroit was kind of the Paris of the Midwest, um, it's kind of known just for it. It's like black violence, but there's, there's so much more to it. Okay, great. And so, uh, what would you say would be kind of, uh, some key examples of the sort of activism you do? Uh, I, I know it looks like you've done some, uh, not even banner drops, but like you just kind of had banners on display. There's one thing that I thought was notable about your guys as a group was that, um,

2:05a lot like, I mean, it doesn't, it looks like you don't go masked and then, uh, I don't know about other people in your organization. Obviously, I think most people are familiar with things like Patriot Front, uh, which, you know, obviously they tend to wear masks, uh, in public. Um, it does, it looks like some of your guys do, I noticed you have very snazzy uniforms of, uh, ball of a white black mass with red, uh, barees, for example. Yes. Yup, yup, with, uh, with brown aviators, which, look, I will give you credit for breaking the mold of, uh, ball caps and some kind of jacket, which seems to be the most common, uh, uh, neonats, a uniform. Um, and so, uh, but like, so what it looks like, uh, you know, if you look back at your page, uh, you have a, you did a protest of data centers in your area. Um, uh, what else have you guys been doing in the, the most recent days? If I could touch on the, the data center thing. So obviously there's data centers going up all across the country and it's very

3:05like bipartisan issue. Um, and it's mostly, you know, whites actually getting involved at the local level because that's who gets involved in local politics. But, um, there's one particularly trying to, um, manifest in howl township and howl and Livingston County is kind of a very special situation for us. Um, basically there was a, a man named Bob Miles, Robert E. Miles, who moved from New York to, uh, co-hoc to township, which is like 11 miles out of howl. And he started to burn crosses on his farm and he would invite the media to come view it. And you know, obviously, maybe that's edgy and whatever. But he had an explicit goal of making people think howl in the Livingston County area were racist and basically keep browns away that were coming from Detroit and the kind of like white, flight, black, follow phenomenon. And he successfully maintained that area as effectively like a white county. So we are taking the, uh, the data center issue in howl and we're actually kind of like, sanitizing it, we're racializing it because if meta successfully

4:07implements a data center there, they're going to be bringing in H one, uh, the Indians, they're going to be bringing in all these browns and Jews into this otherwise like white stronghold. Um, and so we kind of like racialized the data center issue in a relevant location. Okay, that's interesting. And so is that kind of, I guess for you, right, it's, you want to explicitly identify yourselves not just as nationalist, but as ethno nationalist and anti-Semitic or counter-Semitic and how you operate. Would that be fair to say? Oh, absolutely. Yes, um, opposing Jewish power is kind of like priority number one. Okay. And, uh, so what is your, uh, general, like, what, like, what is your game plan in terms of how you operate, right? Like, so you do these protests. Do you attempt to interface with the public? Do you try to join other protests that are happening? I think some good examples of this writer, um, I know that, uh, Thomas Soule, his outfit down in Australia, uh, they would regularly attend, uh,

5:08protests that were being done by other groups, right? To try to interface with them. I think Patriot front, uh, pretty famously attends the march for life. I think every year, right, um, or are you kind of doing more your own thing and kind of doing like flash mob tactics? Um, more so the latter. So more so the kind of the flash mob thing, but we, we do genuinely try to interface with the public. Um, definitely shout out to Thomas Soule and the NSN or former NSN and former white Australia, um, those guys are, um, uh, role models for us. Uh, but we actually, in that, that data center protest, we just did, there actually were normally protesters outside of this town hall event, where the Jewish attorney general was there, kind of trying to co-opt energy is basically kind of trying to make the data center happen, but make it seem like we're regulating it and we're holding these companies to account. So, you know, uh, the protesters actually went inside for that event. So we unfortunately couldn't interface with them, but we're always trying to interact with the, um, the general public. I'm face out. We're not trying to just scare people. Um, I'm always trying to, you know, I'm very, I'm very friendly.

6:09I don't really get like that angry with counter protesters or, um, people at events were always, we hand out very professional looking flyers. We put a lot of emphasis on our flyers. Um, and we've actually engaged in direct, uh, political, uh, direct political activism. Um, I've, uh, there's a group called stand up against extremism, with co in Livingston County, where Howell is in this whole kind of, uh, race perception project is occurring. And, uh, they put forth a candidate named Jeffrey Emeow, who is also known as the Livingston Strangler. He's basically a black street criminal with like, um, strangulation charges with, uh, credit card fraud charges, um, uh, uh, drug, uh, I think I mentioned drugs already. Uh, yeah, drugs, uh, um, assaults, he tried to assault us. So, um, we, I went and actually, you know, face out, just canvas to knock down doors, handed out flyers, shakans, and we've actually gotten a lot of public support, even though we're like overt Nazis, simply because people hate this antifa like group and this, uh, the candidate they put forward so

7:13much. Okay. Yeah, I think that's, uh, I mean, those are great examples of this kind of operation, right? I mean, this is something that, uh, Billy Roper, who does the, uh, Ozarkia down in Arkansas has talked about on the show before that if you can make your guys more appealing than the enemy, which is, I mean, unfortunately, our guys seem to have a habit of not succeeding at, despite their enemy being transsexual satanists, somehow, uh, I'm not really sure how that's working. But if you can make yourself appear more reasonable and more normal than those people, it is pretty easy to get decent people to side with you over them. And I think that's kind of the, uh, core thing here that matters. And yeah, like our enemies are evil and they make it incredibly easy to hate them. And so I think our guys don't take nearly enough advantage of that, to be honest. Well, said that group, um, sage stand up against

8:13sexual animism, live co, like, um, just recently they did some kind of, like, banner drop against the Iran war, which, you know, from a left to stand up standpoint, maybe there's like some nobility to that, but they had to go out, um, like carrying air 15s and in like full tactical gear and just scaring everyone, like horrible optics. And I'm like, we know better than than to do that. And yeah, so it's, it is easy to look good compared to them. Oh, for sure. And so, um, what, what have been some, uh, some setbacks that you guys have faced? I mean, obviously, you know, uh, our guys, I think the biggest issue that a lot of guys suffer from in these sorts of organizations is there's the threat of doxing, which is, you know, losing your job and, uh, potentially if you're in college, a lot of guys get kicked out, right? Usually it's young guys doing this sort of activism. I guess that's another good question as well. Do you have a target demographic? Do you only recruit? I mean, obviously, you know, presumably it's only white people, but I think we can kind of assume that's the case and move on. But, uh, do you guys recruit only young guys?

9:14Do you recruit older guys, family, man, like, uh, you know, like what in general, would you say are sort of your aesthetic criteria? Um, anyone, any, you know, uh, white man of good character who's, you know, 18 or older is welcome to join. They can also partake in our, um, cultural and art events, you know, they don't necessarily have to come out and do activism because that's not, you know, that's kind of not necessarily for everyone. And there's also kind of like behind the scenes, networking and things that can be done, um, women can't explicitly join, but they can partake in, um, various carton, uh, art and cultural events as well as in a, like, community and family events, um, setbacks though. Um, so I was actually, uh, European Americans, we, we've kind of evolved out of the white lives matter scene. And we used to kind of be like white eyes matter Michigan. And when we were still kind of like both organizations, somewhat kind of working together, um, I was actually subject to, or we were subject to, but I guess kind of, I was, I was the one that it kind of suffered the, the penalties. There was, um, a city manager of Howell who engaged in out two to three

10:17conspiracies, um, literally not like some schizophrenic stuff, but like objectively, and this is actually even stated in a press release that he released where he worked with other jurisdictions to pull us over because we were using it kind of like the U-Haul system. So we had men in the back of a van, but in Michigan, that's actually not a crime. And so they actually couldn't even give us a ticket. They couldn't give me a warning or whatever, but they got my name. They encouraged the media to do FOIA requests to receive my name, to doxme, to form me to, um, basically be punished, um, extra judicial punishment, you know, in all these various categories of society. But they didn't do it, um, at least they didn't do it explicitly. What they did was they released the, the documents that contained my name, but they poorly redacted them. So they redacted them. All you had to do is on the electronic forms of them. You just had a copy and paste and my name would be revealed. Um, and so they kind of doxed me through this. And I was subject to a lot of harassment and various areas of my life. But I, I kind of made it into a W. This is a big perspective I have in European Americans has, which is kind of

11:18leverage whatever you can, including things that are bad, make lemons into lemonade. And I ended up having a law fair victory, which is kind of very rare in the movement. So anytime your rights are violated, really try to pursue the possibility of fighting back and there's lots of, um, uh, advice and information I'm willing to give if, if anyone ever has something like this come up, um, anyone's free to DM me. Yeah, I think that that's kind of the core with a lot of this stuff, right? Like I've done, I've done a lot of activism in my time. Um, I've been involved in several organizations over the years. Um, I did some of it, masked. I did some of it unmasked, even before I was doxed. And I think that a lot of guys think that it's going to be more, disastrous than it is. I'm not, I would never, you know, I don't want people to get doxed. I wouldn't advocate that they self dox in general. Um, but I think that one thing that people kind of, especially now, I think that a few years ago, you could maybe make the argument that it was

12:18particularly egregious, uh, what would happen. But like now it's like the, the, the ties have turned to a certain degree where I think especially if you're smart and you aren't engaging in really, like, just, you know, like unflattering behavior, you're probably going to have a better chance. You know, um, in terms of the outcomes of your doxing, maybe you get fired, but whether or not it affects you long term is sort of more questionable and, you know, getting fired as someone who's been fired is, uh, not the end of the end of the world. And so I think that's something that people should keep in mind as well. I agree. Yes. You will live if you're not going to starve to death. Uh, yeah, you and your, even if you have a family, you know, like some, it will ultimately in like 60 years when you're like an old man and you're like looking back from, you know, your death, better or whatever. So like that was just like a blip of negativity in your life and you're going to view it as worth it. Um, there's actually like, uh, this lack of narrative thinking in the movement where like in, in an actual like story, you actually have the

13:20protagonist who goes forth and he has like these struggles and resistance, right? Maybe like the night has to fight the dragon in order to kind of obtain the treasure, that dragon, that fight, there's like a struggle there. And you're not, we're not going to win without kind of taking some setbacks or struggle. This is kind of part of the process and you kind of almost need to, um, enjoy it in a way. Exactly. Correct. I think that's a really good mindset to have here. And so, um, I, I guess I kind of caring forward with that, um, I guess there's a lot of small groups out there, right? I've interviewed a couple of them. Uh, I've been asked, I've asked, been asked to interview several and then, uh, the two to five members never got back to me. Uh, this has happened multiple times, actually. Um, usually these groups have various numbers and letters as names and they seem as far as I can tell to not really be much more than a gang. Um, I mean, it's just, and I don't, I'm in look, I'm not here to disrespect

14:20anybody or whatever, um, I think that, you know, I'm not, uh, listen, I have, uh, called myself white trash on more than one occasion. And I don't say that as a, uh, self deprecating thing. I say that in the sense that I come from a lower economic background and, uh, I am not offended by someone spray painting a tag somewhere. You know what I mean? That doesn't particularly bother me. I think that there's a place for that sort of gorilla activism, um, you know, I think you had a great example on your, on your channel, actually, of, uh, someone had vandalized one of those Jew-belong billboards. I don't know if people, yes, I don't know if people have seen these, um, but, uh, this, I think this started, I believe this started, uh, with it was either October 7th, but it might have actually been the, uh, the previous kerfluffle that the Palestinians and the, uh, the Israelis had, uh, like two years before when Israel really kind of got in some hot water when they were bombing them for like 12 days or something like that.

15:22And, uh, they're these big, I'm not good with colors, but I think it's magenta. It's like a really annoying purple pink color, presumably on purpose. Um, I think I read somewhere that apparently that's the color that your brain makes when it can't tell what a color is, uh, which is very fitting for an annoying Jew sign and it's, uh, for Jewbelong.org. And, uh, the sign that you showed on your channel was if you think turbulence is scary, try wearing a Jewish star, Jewbelong.org. And they're just annoying sign. Like it's just self aggrandizing stuff from people who are mad that people don't like that they're killing children or whatever. And I, the someone, uh, spray painted over the word Jewish and Jew on each part of the sign. And, you know, again, like that kind of, I think I have nothing against people who do that. And I think obviously if you're going to do that, you should form a, you should, I mean, I, for legal reasons, I will never tell you to form a gang, but you should form a group of like-minded individuals so that you can have

16:26someone who, when you definitely don't do that sort of thing, can watch out for you. Um, but the long and short of it obviously as long with the thing I kind of went into is what, uh, I have a hard time telling people that they should join these kinds of groups out of the blue. These seem like things that should probably be friend groups that evolve naturally because of the level of trust that is needed for these kinds of small organizations. Um, and so why should people join your group as opposed to whatever other groups there might be in your area or nationally? Yeah, that's, uh, that's a great question. If I could go back to the, the Jubalong Billboard real quick, though, um, just just to be clear, that wasn't us and, uh, we kind of have this difficult situation because we don't want people to do illegal things or dangerous things, but, but we, we appreciate the, the message and the activism or, or the, the thought is the thought that counts. I would definitely, I would definitely tell people that, uh, it is a,

17:28it is a serious crime to vandalize private property like that. And you should not do that. Um, I, I think that, you know, look, there's guerrilla activism or whatever. Um, and, you know, I would, I would never advocate anyone committed crime, but I would tell you that there is significantly fewer penalties to vandalizing public property over private, just, you know, as a public service announcement, uh, do not commit crime. Uh, and if you're going to commit crime, definitely don't do the one that has a higher penalty. That's all I'm going to say. Yeah, there's, there's a good case for that. Um, so why should people join European Americans? Why should people not join some other organization? Um, the biggest thing is that we've had lasting results. So I'm not coming on here to attack other groups. I'm not trying to attack Patriot Front, but I'm just going to use them as an example because they, they kind of are an impressive organization. There's a lot that goes into them behind the scenes in, in their activism. Um, I've seen their, like, uh, what are their kind of like, you know, camp and

18:31then march operations before, um, and it is very impressive. But the thing is, when they show up in a box truck and they march down a downtown or a capital and they leave, people are just like kind of like, what is that? And it doesn't only have a lasting impact in our situation on the Howell and Livingston County, like a racist perception strategy that was created by Bob Miles 50 years ago, every single thing we do in that area adds to this perception of racism. It kind of adds to this, uh, this political, uh, culmination of things. And we're, we're like, forefront in that, right? We're kind of in this battle with this kind of anti-fold light group. We're getting increasing amounts of public support because they're hated so much. Um, and we are increasingly making the area up here more and more racist, kind of protecting this area as a demographic bubble. This is a kind of area to gain power before we kind of like move on to Detroit. Or we can kind of even bring this racist perception from Howell and Livingston County onto Detroit, kind of like, oh, the Howell Racists are moving in here. The Howell Racists are taking over and so forth.

19:33And you know, it's just great experience. Um, and so we, all of our activism has a lasting impact. It's not just going to be, you're going to go out and you're going to do something which could be cool, which could be, you know, right on principle, right? You could go out and say, why do I just matter? And it's, that's, it's kind of like good spiritual activism in a way. But it really doesn't have much of an effect in the long run. Our activism has an effect in the long run. We, we very much prioritize lasting effect. And then also another reason to join European Americans over another group. Or you know, just as opposed to not doing anything is I'm extremely legally minded. I, I am, I am, I cross all my teas, I dot all my eyes. And we are so legally minded. It's not even just like necessarily cucking to the law. It's that we are actually now weaponizing the law and, and using it against our enemies, using it against antifa, using it against the government to protect our rights and that creates a chilling effect where they don't want to mess with us. They don't want to dox us. We will deplatform them. We will sue them. We will send them cease and desist. We will sue them for torturous interference for trying to go after your job.

20:36And they will have to pay for the wages that you lost. So yeah, that's why you should join me. Okay, fair enough. And I think, and look, I mean, this is something where again, I, I also wouldn't attack page your front. I actually have a lot of respect for what they do and kind of their operations, right? But a common critique that I've heard and I kind of agree with is that, you know, page your front can't be everywhere all at once, right? They can only do whatever they can do in the area they happen to be in at the time. And so there is this. And obviously they have local networks and things like that. But I think that there probably is something to be said for a focus on a more local level, whereas if you're part of a national organization, it's probably true that you probably won't be as focused on the local level. Just because, you know, you have to expend some of that, right? To focusing on your national ambitions.

21:38So I think that there's definitely a thing to that. And I guess what I would also say is that it sounds to me like again, to kind of go back to this local stuff always reminds me of when I talk with guys like Billy Roper and he and the old Harrison arc. I believe it's, I always get this mixed up with its Harrison or Harris Berg, but I believe it's Harrison Arkansas is traditionally famously called the most famous or the most racist city in America, right? Oh, I take, I take offense to that. We need to, we need to have, we need to have a racism off. Yeah, these are, these are looking numbers, right? But, you know, there were, there were two, there were two race riots, I think back in like the like 1900s, maybe. And then they're, you know, in several organizations have taken up spots around there. I believe there was a, a Ku Klux Klan church that is still operational in the area. For example, I actually attended that church once. It was a very nice actually, but I think that, you know, these,

22:41like these kind of more local things, a big part of the issue, right? And I think it's fair when you have these national organizations come in, especially when there are groups of guys that are in masks and they're in uniform, that is not something that the average person sees or kind of has a frame of reference for in the United States. And so they are viewed as kind of a weird foreign element, right? Not foreign in the literal sense, but obviously it's very easy to say that those kinds of people are paid agitators, feds, right? Is the most common critique given to groups like Patriot front or blood tribe. I'm not sure if blood tribe is still active, but like, you know, these, these sorts of groups there, they can be accused of being false flags set to make conservatives look bad or whatever. If you're on the right, for example, and I think that if you're a local group who is regularly present, it becomes apparent that you are, that you are people who live there.

23:41And it becomes a lot harder to say that you are bad actors. If you don't do anything and people know that that's the case. I mean, it's gonna even happen even when that's like, you know, one great example of this was I did a documentary with one of the men from Patriot front who was detained at Cordillane in, I believe 2020. It was, it was several years ago when these guys were pulled out of the box truck they were in, which again, in the state of, in the state of Idaho, it's not a crime to ride in the back of a box truck. And they were charged with all kinds of things that eventually got paired down to a parading without a permit, which is the legal equivalent of a parking ticket. You know, and they, a lot of these men, 30 of these guys had their names dragged through the mud for, you know, a year or two years. But when I went to Cordillane and interviewed some people around there, the locals who had interacted with them had nothing but positive things. To say about them, and they even said that for some of them, it made them

24:44rethink the organization, as far as I'm aware, none of them joined or anything. But this is the, this is the area where that kind of public interaction is totally necessary if you want to have any lasting impact. And it has to be something that you do repeatedly in the same area because having a couple of guys in Cordillane, Idaho have a better opinion of you. Obviously isn't nothing. But it's not nearly as useful as having a solid chunk of Cordillane, Idaho, know who you are and approve of your actions. And so I would hope that in your part of Michigan, that that continues to be the case. Yes, yes, we hope so as well. Those were great points. So right now I'm face out. I'm the only face out member of the organization. And that goes a long ways because if everyone is masked up, pretty much almost all comments that are made by pastor by are about the mask. Why are you wearing masks? But even if you have one person mask out, who's kind of like the person who's interacting with people, kind of your PR guy, the leader, what have you?

25:47It goes really far. European Americans will be entirely masked off as an organization in the future. This is something we're working towards. We're being realistic about it. Right men have to get their, their things in their life in order and whatnot. You know, a lot of guys have to kind of just ruddy themselves, personally, and spiritually for that. And so we're not rushing into it. But we do think that is where the movement needs to go. It is our position that Charlottesville kind of provoked this kind of almost like behaving like a right wing antifa kind of mindset where you know, you're riding around in the back of boxstruck. So that way, you know, you don't have to like, you can fit a lot of guys into one vehicle. So if you're pulled over, you know, you only get one name. Everyone's wearing masks. You're doing a lot of like, you know, going around abandoned buildings and, you know, doing like stencil, um, stenciling or stickers or things like that, you know, technically like little bits of property damage or whatever. We're trying to increasingly move in the direction of being face out, interacting with people. We've gone and interacted with, you know, um, people in churches.

26:50We've gotten like blessed officially in St. Joseph's shrine in Detroit, Michigan. It's a very historic and beautiful church. So we're like, open. We'll go and actually interact with people in bars. You know, we say what we are, we've actually gotten a lot of support from, you know, just like college kids in bars. Just because of our anti Zionist stance, despite even being open Nazis. So the future is being normal. The future is interacting with people, shaking hands and kind of being a friendly face. No, I think so too. I mean, you know, one of the protests that I attended was for Jupiter, Paulson, who was a 14 year old girl who was brutally, I guess murdered. But I mean, I've always described it as being torture to death because she was dragged, she was on her way to work. She was dragged behind a party city in Fargo and stabbed to death. Uh, I believe it was, I think it was 20 times over the course of 30 minutes. Um, and I always bring that up.

27:51And I say that I don't view that as a murder. I view that as, uh, well, I mean, it's murder, obviously, but more importantly, it's, it's torture because that means that that man repeatedly stabbed her and held her down over a half an hour, right? This isn't the case of somebody shivering you a few times and walking away, right? And, and when we went and did that protest, um, after we were done, um, which, you know, we started by, we walked to the route that she would have most likely walked, um, and, uh, we stood at the place where she was killed and a few guys gave some statements. And then we, anybody who stopped, we passed them flyers, kind of explaining what we were doing. Uh, and then after we were done, we went to, we went to a courthouse and, you know, a few guys stood up and did stuff for recordings because the courthouses looked good to be in front of, but obviously no one was there. And then we went to a, uh, VFW bar that was near the courthouse. And because we were there for a little while, uh, the local antivere presence

28:53figured out where we were and came to protest us. And we left the courthouse, we left the VFW bar, but before we did, every one of the VFW bar supported us in what we were doing because what we were doing was obviously the correct thing to do. Um, and, you know, I will never forget that as we, uh, we were yelling at these antifa from across the street, right? And we pointed out that what we were there for was in defense of this little girl who had been murdered. And one person asked them, like, are you just in favor of little white girls getting killed by black men? Uh, they said, yes. Oh my God. Uh, you know, and obviously, you know, maybe the steel man in their position is that they're just responding to what they would call a shit test, right? But I think that, you know, it's, this is these people. This is the enemy that you're dealing with. Uh, I, you know, they are the enemy and I don't feel like giving them the benefit of the doubt. So I won't, right? These, if these people want to say that, I'm going to take them at their word for it. And I don't see any reason why I shouldn't, um, and this is, this is who you're up

29:55against. And so that when I say that your goal is to make yourself more appealing than them, that's what I mean. And it probably shouldn't be as hard as our guys seem to make it sometimes. Yes. Well said, that's a, that's a horrible situation. Uh, for that, that girl, um, obviously the, uh, Irina's Ritzka is kind of a more recent case. Um, that's gotten a lot of public activism as well. Um, I would suggest if there's, um, one piece of activism, people could look at that European Americans is done is in Howell, um, at the war memorial, um, in downtown Howell in front of the Livingston Quatt, uh, courthouse, we held a candle lit vigil for arena. Um, and it was quite aesthetic. Yeah. And I mean, anyone, and relatively recently, I believe it was in, uh, I, I believe it was in Connecticut. I forget the exact city, but a mural of her, uh, Elon Musk funded a bunch of murals all over the United States. A mural of arena was, uh, ordered removed by the Jewish mayor of the city under the claim that it was divisive.

30:59And this, of course, is a city that has had a George Floyd mural and probably still have does have it. Probably is one of these kinds of cities that might have a George Floyd square, right? And, uh, you know, this is a great example. This is something that you can bring up to people in your day-to-day life, right? And it's, uh, it's just objectively evil. And there's really no justification for it. And it's a great way that you can bring up just the, the, the sheer difference in treatment between someone like a George Floyd and someone like Arena Zoruzka can be very useful in kind of explaining our views to people who might not understand and who might, uh, have some misunderstandings about like what we're about and what we're trying to do. Um, and I think that it's good, like, you know, to have local crews like your guys, putting these things together. Um, it's, I mean, no one else is doing it, right? And so it's clearly in, you know, to use a libertarian kind of view. It's an untapped market that our guys should a advantage of not for class political reasons, but because it's a noble cause.

32:03And if no one else is taking up that banner, then it kind of falls to us to do it by default. And we should be proud to do it anyway. Yes, absolutely. Um, leverage what you can, um, for us to win. Um, and that doesn't mean you necessarily like, you do bad things, you like, leverage bad things, you know, you do immoral things, but leverage good things to win. Um, so what you said was very well said. That was Providence, Rhode Island. That's where the Jewish mayor was trying to cover up that mural. Yeah. And again, it's just, I think that people really need to think about this stuff. And I think that it has never been a better opportunity than now to do activism for pro white causes, right? Whether you openly identify as a Nazi, like, uh, Trevor and his guys do, or if you want to try to do like a little bit more, like, uh, old glory club, heritage, American type thing, or whatever, right? I mean, like, it's, I, there's the tactics matter less than the action. And people are hungry for some kind of authentic, um, just,

33:10you know, defense of normalcy in general and white people in particular, you know, I think that, you know, the average person is kind of, if you talk to the average white person on the street, maybe not in a very liberal place like Portland, Oregon or something, but just in general, right? Even in places like I've done this in Kansas City, right? Which is not like, uh, particularly liberal place by American standards, but it's obviously a liberal city because it's a major city. The average person understands that white people are under attack in this country. They might not understand by who they might not understand why they might disagree with the specifics and the severity, right? But they understand that that is the case. And if that's, you know, that's very fertile ground for normal people to potentially take advantage of and to actually push some real change and make some serious, you know, this is not just for your own self-aggrandizement or whatever, but this is for the betterment of your, not not just your own life, but the lives of your children

34:12and your children's children. Yes. Yep. Well said. Do you, uh, would you like to hear why European Americans openly identifies as Nazi? Sure. I think that's great. That's great to hear because I think that, you know, I, I'll be honest, I personally don't identify as a Nazi, um, not out of any kind of, uh, fear of the term or whatever. If someone calls me a Nazi or a fascist or whatever, I'm not offended. I, I personally don't care about the economic system that like, I'm not like, I'm not here to institute, you know, like, uh, the, uh, like, uh, industrial, industrial unions having a seat at the government table or whatever, right? Like, uh, like happened in the third right, uh, and I'm also not here to necessarily relitigate, uh, German claims on Poland and World War II or something, right? And so that's my personal reason, but, uh, I am curious to hear. I, I like that you guys just do the, uh, uh, classy Nazis bit. I think there's definitely a place for

35:14thanks. Um, so it's, it's kind of like, you're kind of going to be viewed as a Nazi no matter what. It's like, Jews have trained people to sniff out, like any, any semblance of, um, racial pride as a white person, um, uh, apologetics for white interest. These are kind of going to be viewed as Nazi. I remember, um, I worked it like a, uh, in an, in an army place and I'm just having a conversation with someone and I'm kind of explaining, um, uh, like why race fixing could be bad in a very like palatable way. I'm like, we'll say you have a plate of food and you have steak, you have mashed potatoes, you have a piece of chocolate cake for dessert, you have a glass of wine. Each of those things can be, you know, tasty and beautiful on its own, but if you mix it all together in a blender, you know, you kind of lose the, the qualities of it or whatever, right? And I'm like, that's just like the races and the, the person's just like, you're so your Hitler. It's like, uh, this is kind of the, uh, the negative moral center of the West. So it's kind of like, you know, Nietzsche in some ways accurately predicted that God died in the, in the West. And, um, Hitler kind of came to fill God's role in the, in the negative. So everything has to

36:20kind of refer to, um, Hitler in the negative. And so it's kind of like, we just own it, right? It's like, you're going to be psychologically viewed as a Nazi in some way. And so it's like, so just own it. Like a lot of groups, they want to avoid the label of Nazi, even a lot of Nazis, or you know, call themselves NS or national socialists or whatever, but a lot of it, it's just a kind of, you know, no offense to them. I'm just going to be blunt and be honest. It is a kind of social cowardice because you, you're going to be, being a Nazi being, whether you identify it as or not, you're going to lower your social status. And, you know, we don't want to like revel in that. But what you do is you kind of acknowledge that you, you, you accept that you've lowered your social status and then you rehabilitate it. So we need to make it where we're good. We need to, we need to make the Nazis look good or even accurate, right? Because you know, he's, he's so, um, slandered. So we, we take on the identity and now we're going to do the hard work to actually rehabilitate it. And we're not going to try to skirt around. We're not going to try to, um,

37:21be us, anyone, you know, because they, they smell it. So we're just going to straight up be like, yep, this is what we are. And they're just like, oh, they kind of like get an inherent sense of like, oh, you're, you're racist to some degree, you're anti-Semitic to some degree, right? But then you kind of present yourself as sane. You present yourself as class is having taste. Um, yeah, you, you got to do the hard work to actually change the identity. No, I think that's totally reasonable. And I've heard similar arguments for people. I think that, um, it's not an unreasonable position. I do think that, again, there's a reason why I don't, if someone calls me a Nazi, I just say, okay, I'm not like a poet like whatever, right? It's not my problem. Um, I think that Hitler did a lot of things that were correct. I personally think that he did a lot of things that were incorrect, but he's a man and then do things that are wrong, right? Uh, I think that in general, it is important to not spend your time defining yourself because of something your enemy calls you.

38:25Right? Liberals, I mean, you know, the only time I've seen this on the left is sometimes generic democrat types will try to differentiate themselves when they're called communists and they'll say they're a socialist or something, right? But most people don't care. And I, I think especially in today's media environment, uh, giving any amount of time to slurs that your enemy throws at you is, it's a waste of your time. And it's a, it's a tactic they are using to make you spin wheels rather than actually get what you're trying to say across to anyone. And so I think that what you're doing is perfectly reasonable. Um, and, you know, I, I think that you do a good job. Again, I think that your uniforms are cool. I think that it's hard to say that anybody in any of your videos looks bad. Um, and, you know, I, I think that you guys have a sense of humor, which is also good. A lot of these groups are very super serious. Uh, and they have a hard time, uh, you know, coming across as anything except like kind of weirdos,

39:30right? Because they're, they, they're like, they're like a robot. And their only thing they can do is like input political messaging output. This is why it's the Jews or whatever, right? Like, there's really not else. And they, and they, and they can't take a joke. They can't make a joke. They can't engage in anything that's, uh, interesting or thoughtful outside of that. But, uh, I think that you guys do a good job of that just from what I've seen from a lot of your, a lot of your videos and posts. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah. I always try to like, I try to have a sense of humor with, with normies or even, even the opposition to some degree, like I remember, um, uh, we were, uh, protesting this premiere of a documentary called face of hate. And they're like a bunch of antifocus across the street. And I'm like over the megaphone. I'm like, how many of you were Jewish and like half of them raised her hands? You know, um, so I'm actually going to even have like good faith conversations with someone like antifar whatever, because you know, it's like a mediatic opportunity. Like you gave this example of like antifacient, like trying to own, like enjoying black, like black men killing little

40:31light girls or whatever. Like I would never say that to to antifar whatever. Like I'm always, I'm always genuine. I'm just, I'm just going to always be genuine and, you know, uh, have a sense of humor. Um, our last, uh, demonstration, someone drove by and they threw a big gulp full of like Coca-Cola at me. And I thought that was hilarious. Because it's kind of like so emblematic of like, you know, the modern degenerate, like American, like a 7-11 big gulp that that's what was thrown at me. I don't know. It was, it was funny. I made sure to put that in the video. And then I'll be like, oh, no, I was hit with a big gulp. And then I'm like, show the big gulp like liquid on the floor on the ground, you know, be too, for the intentionally to show that we had a sense of humor. No, and honestly, I mean, this is something where after I was doxed, very little happened to me, actually. Um, there were a few nasty Facebook posts written about me or sent to, uh, like, you know, me or my family, which was, you know, unfortunate. But in terms of actual consequences, beyond getting fired, uh, there really wasn't much of anything. The one example I have,

41:33just to kind of, cause it, this reminds me of that is I was at a bar and someone recognized me and, uh, someone poured their drink down my back and then ran away. Uh, and the thing was, it was a very hot summer night. And so the, the poor drink basically didn't matter after about 10 minutes. And I just kind of thought about that as, you know, uh, lesser sons of greater sires because I feel like if this was 19, 20 or something, I would have at least gotten shipped. Right. But instead, I just had some, uh, very angry, uh, American Indian man, uh, pour a beer down my, down my back, which frankly, I was surprised he was able to avoid chugging that beer long enough to do that. Uh, but I think, yeah, like this is the thing, like a lot of guys, when they get into this stuff, you know, I have a lot of criticisms of white nationalism as a movement. Um, I have a lot of criticisms of the open, uh, national socialism stuff in terms of its utility and what it can do to young men, uh, because I do

42:39think that they're the chance of losing your career for what is relatively small gains in my opinion isn't really justified. But I do think that when, like, you know, look, and I'm going to say this and I know I'm interviewing you so this is a little rude. But even if you don't want to join a group like Trevor's, even if you don't want to openly evolve yourself with these kinds of politics or whatever, um, there's no reason to not do some kind of activism on, even if it's on your own, because if you're not doing anything that's openly national socialist, right, you can do pro white things and just do it from a, you know, a quote unquote, normy perspective. And especially in this media climate, it will be popular. Um, you know, you can do that. And I think, and you know, obviously if you're the kind of person who you want to go harder and there's a group like European Americans around you, then I mean, by all means go for it. Just, you know, keep in mind the, the potential problems that can cause you, again, not to dissade anyone, but just so people

43:42can enter these things with a clear head. Um, but, you know, for a lot of guys, it doesn't matter. You know, if you work a trade, there's a solid chance it wouldn't matter if you were outed as one of these things, right? Uh, if you are self employed, it definitely doesn't matter, right? And, uh, I think that there's a purpose for all of these different groups. And, uh, I am always happy when I see a group like European Americans that seems to at the very least value the livelihoods and comfort of its members, right over the, uh, you know, I feel like a lot of times there's this accusation that everyone wants to be Hitler, right? And so like you'll get like the guys that run these groups that very clearly are mostly interested in having themselves broadcast, right? But when a group talks about caring deeply about, you know, following the law, because they want to protect their membership, right? Uh, that speaks well of you, I think. And so I think that people should consider, if you're in the Michigan area, you know, European Americans

44:44seems like somebody that might be worth looking into. Um, but if you're not in the Michigan area, I think that something like what you're doing is a perfectly reasonable model that other people could replicate. And again, if they decide they want to tweak it a little bit and not do the open national socialism thing, uh, I think any local involvement in general is what you need to do. And whatever group you're doing it through kind of matters less than the fact that you're doing it at all. Yeah. Um, I would say that one thing is that if you, if you are in the Michigan area and you don't necessarily want to be like a frontline activist, you can still be involved in the kind of art and cultural space, kind of the behind the scenes, which there, there's a lot of groups now doing that, um, throughout the United States, um, and throughout the Western world. So you don't necessarily have to be this kind of, um, you know, a frontline activist where you're going to get, you know, you could potentially be doxed or whatever. You can just meet up with people, you know, good old bar, go to restaurant, um, hang out. No, exactly. That's kind of like a predecessor.

45:49That's like, it's like proto activism in a way, like proto organization. Well, it could be useful later. Anyone can be friends with anyone, right? That's something that I've always said too. This is where a lot of guys, I think, get it really twisted. And there's been a lot of problems, I think in the movements past and present of guys being not able to play nice together in the same sandbox, right? Uh, and this is where again, like, you know, even if you decide that you don't want to do the open NS thing, right? And you don't want to, uh, publicly do stuff with someone like European Americans, uh, nothing stops you from going to a cookout or whatever, right? And, you know, that, and people, if you're going to be dealing with a group that's mostly anonymous anyway, and you don't want to do the kinds of things that they are anonymous for, then if you make friends with those people, you can do things that are less, uh, you know, problematic from a getting docs perspective. And suddenly, you have a bunch of friends who can

46:52do that with you, right? I think that there's, these are all win-win situations and you can just let a thousand flowers bloom and you're going to have a better time than if you're trying to pack everybody into a specific box. Yes, for sure. Well, Trevor, I think we are at about an hour here. Do you have any kind of final thoughts or, um, like a call to action maybe? Um, is there anything that, uh, you've done, I guess you probably wouldn't want to talk about anything you're planning, but is there anything that's kind of on your radar or that you're thinking about, um, in terms of activism, and then is there anything that you've done super recently that you'd want to bring up? Oh, yeah, there's that data center activist and that we've done in Howell, where we, um, actively protested the Jewish Attorney General who was coming to kind of like co-op the, the energies to actually kind of like make it happen. Um, there's the arena as a root scavigil. That's very aesthetic. We've many, various, various things in between those, um, those are probably

47:54some of the bigger ones. Um, as a call to action, I would say, get them involved in the data center issue on your local level. It's universally hated. Everyone, everyone hates it. Like Republicans hate it. Um, Democrats hate it. It's a political people hate it. It's going to jack up their electric rates. It's going to bring in, uh, browns into their areas into these rural areas. Um, it's going to lead to pollution. Um, and then all the jobs arguments are kind of BS anyway, because the, uh, the boom is going to bust, you know, like the, they're going to have like these half defunct or fully defuncted data centers in the future. And it's going to, it's the whole, the whole situation is horrible. And, uh, even normies are aware of it. So take advantage. I think that's very well said. Um, again, it was a real pleasure to have you on. Obviously, if you ever want to, uh, come on in the future. If you do any, uh, other activism that you want to discuss or, uh, some other topic that you want to talk about, even if it's not about European Americans, uh, you are always, of course, welcome. You're a great interview interview guest. Um, thank you. I think again, if you're in Michigan, you know, look, I say that I have never met

48:59Trevor Reigns in person. Uh, you know, uh, I'm sure that he's a good guy. Uh, do your due diligence before joining any organization. Uh, do your due diligence before you listen to, uh, random podcasters you find online, uh, obviously. But, uh, I think that if you're in the Michigan area and this is the kind of thing that you would be into, you might as well reach out. And, I think that if more people had the drive that guys like Trevor have, uh, the world would probably be a better place. Uh, this has been act tongue Americana. Uh, our once a year episode that we seem to do at this point. Uh, thank you, everyone for listening. Uh, if you would like to support our website and our work, you can go to Americana.org slash donate where you will find a link to our gifts and go. Um, you can donate for basically whatever you want. Um, you can do recurring payments.

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