Episode 528: NYPD Blues

0:00I can't see the NYPD actually working for him. What do you see as far as public safety goes? What are the big risks if and when, if and when, so it's a if and when. Well, it's a big deal because a lot of these cops are gonna leave bottom line is a lot of our best officers are going to leave. I do believe though that he may get a big one in Jessica Tish. I like Jessica. I think she's a great police commissioner. I was spoken directly about this, but the room was all that she's gonna stick around. So he can go to work day one and have Jessica Tish. That's very good for him. But the cops don't like him at all. He gave the finger to the cops. He talked about the IDF leasing up the boots. He has set some horrible things about the cops in the past. He's walked a lot of that back the last couple of months because why? He's running for office in New York City and you can't align the cops and win. So don't worry about what he said the last couple of months. When you heard a year ago and months ago, that's the real mom Donnie. Not the guy now that all of a sudden, no, I like him, I like him. I like social workers, but I like cops too. No, he doesn't.

1:00Doesn't like cops. Doesn't like law and order. He doesn't like Jewish people. He doesn't like capitalism. He doesn't like anything that we love and hold dear in our country and the cops. That'll be a big issue in New York City. Ladies and gentlemen, that was our guest host, Sid Rosenberg. He unfortunately had to take a break for the rest of the day. He became, frankly, simply too red, too hot and too handsome. We had to kick him out of the studio. And so it's left to just us. My name is Brace Belden and I'm joined here. I'm a producer of Young Chomsky. And the podcast is called Trunon Welcome, Ladies and Gentlemen.

2:01We will keep this short as this is a long episode, which Young Chomsky, you don't love these long episodes, it's studio. It's all the same to me. It's not about the length. My view on this subject is controversial. Yeah. A podcast is, of course, downloadable internet radio. That's absolutely true. And it has no visual component. Facts. So you can't actually ever watch a podcast. That's a contradiction in terms. Absolutely it is. I'm watching my record collection. Full agreement with you. Wait, what did you say? It's like if you said, I'm watching my vinyl records. Yeah. Sometimes I am like guarding the parties. You're just like observing them. Yes, if someone steals my cleanse the bacteria that's signed by Pusshead numbered the test press. Okay, fair, that's a different thing though. Anyways, but a podcast is not just a product. It is also a measurement of time.

3:02One podcast is one hour. I've always said that. This is just this Trunon style guide, but actually it's a style guide that's taken from nature. One podcast is one hour. That's the 11th commandment. A two hour podcast is two episodes of a podcast in one. For simplicity's sake, we do not separate them. And we number them in such a manner as this is 500 and something, something. But the reality is, every time we put in an episode that is more than one hour, that is, everything after the one hour is bonus or extra or even another episode. Yeah. This one's almost three episodes. This is a three episode, Trunon episode of a podcast. So this is a three podcast episode podcast. Look at the damn white album. Yeah, exactly. Next up now due to things that we have learned at various seminars and stuff, this is an album

4:06of every color. One could even call it the rainbow album. And so without further ado, this is Ali Winston here to talk to us about the NYPD, Zora and Mum Donnies. Let's say maybe forgetfulness in terms of kicking Jessica Tish out of the top cop position and a whole lot more and you get to hear me talk quite a bit about lawn order, which is my new thing that I love. And so here's the interview. New York City has long been home to criminals of such a dastardly comportment as to make the one and only Joker shit his pants.

5:07There's the Corona on a Liver, the Chinatown Greatest, the Woodside Masterbader, the Hudson Yards Equinox Hotel Killer, the Rockaway Tweaker, the Throggsnet Grenadier, the Ridgewood Grinder, the Ozone Park Mexican, the Briarwood Sniffer, the College Point Drunk Driver, the Murray Hill Man Malester, the Pickleball Rapist, the Diker Heights Homophob... Homophoniac, the Gawana's Pussy Eater, the Tudor City Green Goblin, the Two Bridges Cannibal, the Astoria Sodomizer, the Koreatown Gusserer, and of course, the Washington Square Park Snowballer, aka Dipper Man, also known as Life of Dipper. This vicious criminal has torn this city apart, much like in a snowball fight, such as the one where he grew to infamy. The city is divided into two camps, those who think it was just a snowball fight, and those who think it was a vicious act of mass murder, aching to, well, I don't want to say, well,

6:14no, you know, like that, the Holocaust of Bullocks that occurred in Eastern Europe by the Nazis during World War II. Welcome to the show to talk about this in more crime news. We have Ali Winston, investigative reporter, NYPD, a GAD fly, and of course, a lieutenant in the murder squad of the Shamran. Yeah, that's a new one to me. No, my God. This is what I've been saying. I'm like, they need to make me a Shamran. I want to do Shamran murder squad. You'll be doing citizen circumcision on the street. Yeah, yeah. Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Yeah, I don't think they have a Shamran going out there. I'm not going. I'm not going. Oh, you. Me. Oh, no, no. Yeah, how do you think? What are you talking about? They're literally our Shamran going. You know that? No, no, no. So some friends of mine lived in a 538, which is like a place, yeah, it shows that.

7:17And after the building was like sold, there was something with it where like the building, so warehouse they lived in and the owner professionalized and got security for the hallway. Obviously, he was trying to like pressure everyone to move out, which I think eventually did happen. And the security was Shamran. But the guy that actually was the security guard was a guy. And so he was like, he was like subcontracted via the Shamran, but he had the full. He had like the patch and everything. And so they do, they do subcontract. Damn, maybe there's a future for me yet. Welcome to the show. Thanks. Once again, glad to be back. We are talking about the police. And more importantly, I think actually the snowball thing is a real unfortunate incident that has occurred. And as best as I can, I'll try to explain to those who maybe missed this horrific massacre, what actually happened. There was a blizzard here in New York City. It was a lovely storm. Beautiful. Were you in town for that?

8:17Yeah, it was fantastic. I loved it. It was like the storms you used to get in the mid 90s when I was a kid, it was almost two feet, right? Yeah. Yeah. And really like thick snow. It was great. Well, I watched the mist with some of my neighbors. And then at about midnight, I went and wandered the streets for a while. And it was incredible. And then the next day, it was sort of like a medieval village because all of the streets were still basically closed to cars, but once it cleared up around 3 p.m., it was just muddy everywhere. And so there's people like walking through and I was like, wow, this must have been how shitty it probably was to walk around here like 200 years ago. Yeah, no horseshit. Yeah, types of snowmen I'd never encountered before. Oh, it's a lot of igloos. It's a lot of breasts on snowmills. Yes, lots of good snowmen. So a few years ago during the pandemic, when people were going like super stir crazy in 2021, we had a big snow storm here. And there were just so many snow dicks. Oh, yeah. It was just like, there was a massive one in the park that I remember seeing. It was probably like 50 feet large. It was on a ball field, but it was either that day.

9:19The second day of the blizzard, where it sort of cooled off by about 3 p.m., actually warmed up. And the blizzard stopped and became a beautiful day. Or the next day in Washington Square Park, there was a lot of snow on the ground as one can imagine. And I think it was like that YouTube channel side talk or something associated with that. Like we're going to do a big snowball fight. It's a second, it's at least a second time they've done it. They did it a couple of years ago, like 2022, I want to say. I mean, side talker, you know, they're kind of like junior high beasts. Yeah. They did the bing bong. The bing bong, a lot of stuff with the nicks. They got recurring characters. It's kind of wearing thin, but whatever. I mean, it's fun. Yeah. Can't do whatever they do. You know what I mean? I listen. It's not for me. You know what I'm saying? I mean, look, the nicks are for me, but Jim Dolan is definitely not. It's just, he's done horrible things. I'm glad that people get excited about them. I'm glad the team is hyping people up. That's exactly exactly. But they have this, you know, they have a snowball fight. No, my business, they have a snowball fight. The snowball fight happens with a lot of people.

10:20Somebody calls the police. The police show up. And in images that were for some reason broadcast around the world, the police were pelted with snowballs. Why these videos were released, some of them were taken by the pelters or by bystanders. Some of them may be taken by the police themselves, but they show the police sort of stomping through Washington Square Park being massacred by snowballs. And some larger snow, I guess, you could say boulders. And some of them look really sad. One looks like he's holding back tears. Some flee to the men's bathroom, which let's be real. I mean, we're in the bathroom in Washington Square Park. We're going to hit you with the paws on that. Friend of the show, they'll just say Jack, Ben Singer. Told me that when last time he was in Washington Square Park in the bathroom, a guy was just like, oh, I can't wait to jack off. I can't wait to jack off. And then went in the stall and went, oh, and jacked off. Like really loud in the stall.

11:22And like went, what? I had like a really, let's say, audible orgasm. And then was like, whoo, that was a great jack off. It was like something like that. And he's told me this story several times. I might be repeating some of it wrong, but that's the basics of it. And so I'm like, I'm not going in that bathroom. And that bathroom is tame compared to the one in Tompkin Square Park. Oh, not a chance I'm going in there. And these cops flee. And this becomes for some reason, a reasons which we can maybe get into here, a massive deal in the city. And in fact, this is like, we're seeing all of the usual suspects, vice grad 24, seven, or whatever, all these fucking sort of, the international, you know, El Salvador network of media companies. I mean, NYC. Yes, so disrespectful, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And New York has fallen back to the dark ages.

12:23It's viral video. And I'll say this. And maybe I'm wrong for this. If I fell in the G train recently, obviously, as we've said many times this show, don't fall. Do not fall. Do not fall in front of other people. Never fall in front of a woman. I fell in front of an entire subway car full of people. In fact, the same day that the snowball fight occurred because the ground was very wet. It was, I've never felt that bad in my life, worse than anything that's ever happened to me ever and whatever happened to me. But if somebody had taken video of that, there's not a chance in hell. I would be trying to draw more attention to that because it was so humiliating. These police who were beaten by snowballs have declared war on snowballers and have declared themselves under siege by putting this video out over and over and over and over again. Now, there's been two,

13:24essentially, let's say, tracks that have been taken by city officials. The Mayor of New York, Zormam Donney, said it was a snowball fight. They got a lot of hand. Don't throw snowballs at whatever public servants. Jessica Tish, the police commissioner, and basically everybody else sort of aligned with her faction, which is quite a lot of people, it's because the city council, Julie Menon, all these different people have said that it was essentially a one of the most horrible incidents of police violence to police in history. Why is this happening? I mean, all that's old is new again. A few years ago in Harlem in summer, I think of 2019, it was hot as hell and a bunch of cops were driving around and they got water dumped on them during like a water gun or a water balloon fight. And that, there was a video of it. And similarly, you know, De Blasio was the Mayor back then. He caught a lot of flack for basically downplaying it.

14:24The cops tried to figure out a way to charge people. I don't believe they did in that case. In this case, you know, the police unions, Menon, John Katz and Matidas, the normal right wing, like standard New York city right wing media, and also like some of the centrist media too. Got on this tip that, oh, this is a horrible thing. So on when, actually earlier in the day, or maybe at the same time for all, for all I know, there's a video of a police cruiser from the Central Park precinct, why there's a precinct in Central Park that does pretty much nothing, even that's another story. That one's gotta be awesome to work at. Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's so cushy. But anyway, these guys are driving down the main ring road and they're getting snowballs lobbed at the cruiser and they're like, on the speaker, you know, I miss me, oh, that was weak, duh, duh, duh. And it's, you know, a bunch of like wealthier, whiter folks as opposed to the crowd at Washington Square Park, which like any side talk event is younger, routier's a lot of POC. And, you know, it's all part of,

15:28you can see that every little, every little chink in the, in, was on Mamdani's public perception, like the armor of his massive popularity in New York City. The police unions, right wing media folks are trying to go for it. Oh, he didn't do that, you know, he didn't, he hasn't provided us with new body cameras. He hasn't provided us with new cars. They're going for like small openings to try and open up a dialogue whereby he looks as if he's anti-cop. And a big part of this has to do, I think with his preliminary budget and his refusal to go through with Eric Adams' decision to add 5,000 cops on top of the 35,000 police that are in New York City already and go back to staffing levels that the city has not seen since 2001. Since I believe before 9-11. I mean, you got to understand, New York City for those of anybody not familiar with the police department here, it is massive. They have beekeepers. They have the capability to take down drones, Ray Kelly, the former commissioner,

16:30advertised the department's ability to take down aircraft and helicopters. They have, you know, their own maritime division, their own air division is most law college police departments do. They have an enormous surveillance apparatus that's run out of one police plaza. It's just, it's basically larger than many moderately sized European armies and better funded too. But crime in the city is the lowest it's been since World War II, right? We had a little post-pandemic spike during the pandemic of violent crime, of robberies, property crime, which is tracks the nationwide trend, right? There's a massive, you know, world shattering pandemic that broke apart the social order. Everything went crazy. And listen, a lot of you out there. Yes, still crazy. And like, you know, that, even then, the city was still about as safe, like if you're looking at the wrong numbers, was on par with like 2009, 2010, 2011,

17:34when Michael Bloomberg, you know, every New York reactionary's patron saint, was in power. We love him. You could do no wrong. He could do no wrong. But it's, I mean, crime has, I listened to a talk that Jessica Tish, our police commissioner, gave, he was last year, and she's like, crime is going down. Crime is majorly going down. The city's extremely safe, especially compared to when it was in my youth, right? And, you know, we haven't cleared 600 homicides for a city of 8.5 million. I want to say, since the late 2000s, early 2010s, there are under 400 homicides here a year, which is the rate of one a day in a massive, massive city. And, you know, there are property crimes. There's crimes of disorder. There's a lot of homelessness. But by and large, New York City is not the place that it was when like New Jack City was getting filmed. When we hit 2000 homicides in a year,

18:36when people had like five locks on their doors. I remember growing up going to people's houses and like, one, two, three, four, five, five locks go off. And then there was the fox lock that used to stick, you know, in between a little loop of metal loop into the, into like a little divot in your floor. Oh, yeah. It's okay, somebody got through your five locks. You could still have like, you know, a reinforced door. Yeah, you could push it back a little bit. Exactly. So it's just, it's a different place, but the politics of law and order here are like, the police department's essential institution to power in this. Oh, it's a, it's a, it's hard to stress enough how that's true. I mean, really, it is like the NYPD is its sort of own poll of power. They run themselves. And yeah, the amazing thing is that they've never been put under a federal pattern in practice investigation to root out like brutal, corrupt, violent policing that LAPD went under because of the Ramparts division scandal that Oakland police went under because of the writer's scandal.

19:37And I wrote a whole book about that DC as well went under a federal consent decree in the 1990s for a series of like really wild police shootings. DC Metro PD. New York has not. New York has never, has never, even despite the, like, there's just a reams and reams of scandals that the department has been through. They've been meditized brilliantly, you know, Serpico film, gorgeous Al Pacino film. A guy who was supposed to go on this podcast. But you know where Serpico? Serpico. Oh, he's a pro. Oh, he's a pro. He's a trip. Serpico's super interesting. He lives up in Woodstock. Yeah, he's a great guy. Went through a ton, but, you know, this is a cop who exposed, like, systematized graft throughout the city and almost got killed for it by other officers. But set up, totally set up in a drug sting, right? Not that far from in Bushwick, right? Or somewhere around North Brooklyn, it was either Williamsburg or Bushwick. He got shot and almost left for dead.

20:38So in the 1980s, 1990s, you have, again, narcotics-related corruption and really endemic violence, cops essentially acting as protection for drug crews and ripping off, you know, crack houses and then selling the product back to the dealers as well. That was a classic cop maneuver. That triggered, so New York City goes through a series of these, when there's a scandal like this, typically it happens in 10 or 20-year increments. There's a great book by a sadly, you know, since deceased NYPD described, named Leonard Levitt at a long-time journalist here who wrote for Newsday and then ran his own website, NYPD Confidential. And he narrates the department's history, you know, in this book that he wrote, I think it was in 2010 or 11, called of that same name. It goes through the map commission in the 1970s, which was held, was a commission formed by the city in order to investigate the graph that Serfiko exposed. The Mollon commission is formed in the early 1990s

21:38to, you know, go into the crack era, narcotics-related corruption and violence, which only resulted in one federal case too, which is interesting, that involved a squad of anti-crime cops up in Inwood and Washington Heights, local motion, great name. That is a pretty good name. Yeah, it was named after like a sticker, a surf shop sticker, they had slapped on the back of one of their cars, like these normal unmarked cars the unit would use to roll around it. And, you know, there hasn't been a similar investigation of the NYPD's, you know, violence, misconduct, abuses, buy an independent body since the Mollon commission. And I think that has a large part to do with Rudy Giuliani and 9-11, right? Now you have September 11. Now we know about September 11. On September 11. On September 11. On September 11. On September 11. On September 11. On September 11. On September 11. So, I mean, it was after 9-11.

22:38And you know what, let's go on one out for them. After the souls of all those lost in 9-11 had departed in God to heaven. NYPD was sort of recast as these frontline defenders of America against Islamic terrorism. Yep. So we have our brave boys going over to protect the dope fields and Baka Basi rape gangs of Afghanistan over there. But at the home front, we have our guys in DHS learning how to touch your fucking weiner at the airport. And then we had, it's true. I know. It's true. They still touch mine. And then we have here in the NYPD a massive intelligence operation, which is manned as foot soldiers by some of the most,

23:40I mean, I'm just going to be real. Dumbest motherfuckers I've ever talked to in my life at the street level many times. And so we have this giant sort of like this army that grows and grows and grows and grows in order to protect the United States. And they have this sort of almost rivalry with the FBI. Oh, it's not almost right, it's an open rivalry. So this is the context I think that listeners should take, especially younger listeners should take into mind when thinking about the NYPD in this pre-post 9-11 era, right? The 1990s, the city's getting safer. Like they go on this wild anti-crime blitz. They stop and frisk. Everybody, there's a really heavy enforcement on quality of life offenses. But there are also other city programs happening. There's affordable housing. The vast expansion of affordable housing because of renovated city owned properties that does not get talked about much. There are investments in community programs. There are also like grassroots efforts to pull people away from like addiction and selling and slaying whatnot. And also like a shit ton of people get locked up and send up state, right?

24:41Like New York had these laws until recently called the Rockefeller Drug Laws where you got extremely harsh sentences. They were passing that the 70s, like early 70s by Nelson Rockefeller when he was governor. When I was growing up, like there were people serving ridiculous amounts of time for like selling eighths of weed or something like that. And so the city under Rudy Giuliani gentrifies heavily. Yeah, aggressively. Like the change between the early 90s and like 2000, 2001 was remarkable. That's when MTV and Disney came into time square. That's when the entire place got turned into like an outdoor mall. As opposed to you know, a mall of sex shops and prostitutes and corners theaters. Yep. And then like the second run of film theaters that used to show like all the Chinese films, the Hong Kong films that the Wu Teng clang grew up on and all that. That was all like Times Square was a very weird place back then. And I remember there was like one hold out adult theater on 42nd Street between I want to say six Avenue

25:43and Broadway that I remember walking by as a kid and be like, wow, it's still there. And then I don't have so many. You don't see those so much anymore. No. Well, no, you know what you do see? You see the link at YC Kiosk where people are just like plugged into the internet and like watching some of the craziest porn on a feet. That is true. That is true. Oh my God, whoever dreamed that one up. Wow. That is true. There are a little portable porn Kiosks. These days you want to take Cible Shepherd on the first date. You got to go plug into the damn Kiosk. Yeah. So you know, in the 1999 and then the flip side of all that, you know, success cleaning up the city and like or lowering the crime rate were just like wild abuses by the NYPD. Anthony Baez gets choked to death by a cop for hitting him with a football in the Bronx in like 94 when he and his friends were just like throwing a ball across the street like children do. That's when the NYPD quote him a ban choke holds because for whatever reason this cop decided that getting hit with a football was not something that he wanted

26:45and decided to kill someone over it. Abner Luima in 1997 is in an argument with other folks, Asian immigrant, in an argument with other folks outside of nightclub and flat push Brooklyn. The cops get called. He gets this early, they pick him up, they beat him up. They decide to take him in the station house. He is beaten and satanized in the station bathroom with a plunger by a cop named Justin Volpy. And there is a rumor that rowing around at the time that wasn't true, but it's stuck that Volpy allegedly told that Luima it's Giuliani time right before he satanized in the Bronx day. And that was not true, but the phrase stuck around and Giuliani time became kind of like the byword in the city for what the NYPD were on. And that was a microcosm of the sort of abuses that they would do. Then in 1999, a Ghanaian immigrant named Amidu Diallo is going into his apartment building in the Bronx. And he's rolled up on by a group of, I believe,

27:45four playing closed cops from the street crimes unit, which had been put in place in the late 1980s, early 1990s as a small, highly trained group of detectives who went out to pursue people involved in robberies, homicide shootings, and they basically track their targets and went after them. And the unit expanded because it was successful. They took a lot of guns off the street, they made a lot of arrests. But as typically happens with these units, you, as you expand the quality of officer delutes, you go on operations that you don't actually meet the criteria that you initially had, and you start pursuing lower and lower type categories of crime, and then sooner or later, you're just like going around the streets looking for a black or brown man to jack up, right? And Lewin gets, you know, he turns around, cops are like, freeze, blow up your hands, and he holds up his hands, and they see something in his hands, and they light him up. Yeah, right? It's what they call, quote unquote, contagious viral one cop starts firing, they all let off, and he struck 41 times and killed.

28:48And he was holding his wallet. And this triggers very significant protests in New York City, almost all black and African-American folks participating in it. It was really racially coded, but I remember going down to them in City Hall, and they got rough, there was a lot of jostling, and people get dragged in, taken away, but that was the tenor around the NYPD at that point in time. I mean, Bruce Springsteen recorded his song, 41, was an American skin about that, which whatever, but not as great as song, but at the same time, like it was a cultural thing, there was a cover of the New Yorker magazine that depicted, it was Art Spiegelman, I believe, who depicted the killing of Amidu Diallo. It was a, I mean, Giuliani was just, him and the NYPD were really under a cloud, and then September 11th happened. Most of the dead in September 11th from, you know,

29:49uniform services were either FDNY or I think Port Authority PD, but the NYPD like, really used, they have a very aggressive press shop, a very good press shop, because they've cultivated so many relationships with, long time reporters, year people at the radio stations, at television stations, newspapers. I mean, I'm not just talking about the New York Post, like the Times, the AP, the Daily News, which at one point was a force. I believe there's four employees there now. Yeah, it's, God, the Alden Global Capital is just gutted that place. But after 9-11, you know, they kind of rode the, and by the way, the institution is intensely reactionary for anybody who's not from the NYPD. The NYPD is in, wow, it's so, I think that's something we should, we should imagine here. The NYPD is, there is a, from my perspective, a contempt for the ordinary citizen. Well, it makes sense because it's essentially a make works program for, you know, LaCross

30:51and football players from Long Island and Westchester up to like, you know, Rockland County. I mean, it's typically staffed, it's different now. There are more folks from the city in there, but by and large, the NYPD has been staffed by people who tended to not live in the city and not be from here. And until, you know, the late 90s, early 2000, it was heavily, like, disproportionately white for what the city is. There was a, I mean, there, even as late as the de Blasio years, there was a, quote unquote, Irish mafia in the command structure amongst the white shirts. The NYPD is like, senior officers wear white shirts instead of dark blue, so that's how you distinguish them. And there was a group of maybe about 15 Irish American officers who were all pretty tightly knit came up through the 1990s. Some of them miss far back as the 80s and they were running the department when, like, James O'Neill was the commissioner, then Dermott Shea was his successor in 2000, something. That was right before Adam took office.

31:51So, you know, this old line culture is still there. There is a little bit, there are other factions within the department, but by and large, like, it has been run by a really intense old one at work of Irish and Italian cops. Well, back to 2001. Yeah. So, the great tragedy of 9-11 occurs. The NYPD is sort of tasked with becoming something more than they could have ever dreamed of. They receive a huge influx of federal anti-terrorism funding. Like, all police departments around the country do, but like, you know, this is where the, this is where the twin towers are. I mean, it's also, like, by far the biggest police department in the country. Correct. I mean, I believe it's, like, maybe three times larger than the LAPD and Chicago PD, roughly, which I love. LAP, people think LAP is bigger than it is because there's, like, city. The sheriff, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, although LAP is definitely one of the most over-policed places in the country, there are so many different police departments and agencies.

32:52Yeah. Another place, another topic. The difference is, after 9-11, the NYPD receives money for infrastructure buildout, as well as manpower, right? They start setting up through, thanks to DHS funding, this network of surveillance cameras in lower Manhattan to, you know, potentially detect against any sort of possible terrorist attack or what have you. Do they, do they, do they catch any? I mean, there's an informant-driven plot, as there always are, but... But there's no, like, these cameras aren't like... No, no, that one real terror attack or attempt bombing attempt in New York City that was detected and headed off was a guy who tried to set off a, you know, homemade bomb in an SUV and Times Square, and it was spotted, I believe, by a street vendor. Yeah. Right, so it's not the technology that does it, but anyhow, under Commissioner Ray Kelly, who's in charge under Michael Bloomberg, it's the second crack at the Apple,

33:53he was a commissioner under David Dinkins in the early 90s, it was actually relatively reform-minded and into community policing. After 9-11, Kelly decides the NYPD is going to militarize, straight up. So, aside from receiving the money to build out this network of sense of, like, license plate readers, which track cars around the city by, like, taking automated optical character recognition enabled infrared photos of each passing license plate, and then building a database. Except, I should add here, for the NYPD's own civilian cars, which often have obscured license plates. Or saline solution over to the cover to baffle the readers. Yeah. But you see it, if you walk by any precinct, half the cars outside that are civilian cars will have obscured license plates, because they belong to members of NYPD, and they know that the law does not apply to them. My favorite, they'll also be parked all over the sidewalk. Oh, yeah, the combat parking, that's what they call it, when they pull up all the way to the building. But this, my favorite are when people, they, like, glue a leaf over a couple of the plates.

34:54And you're like, well, that leaf is really sticking on there. It's spring. Yeah, wow, man, you survived the whole winter with that. Anyhow. So that, that network's the first called the Lower Manhattan Security Initiative or the Ring of Steel. By the late 2000s, it has expanded up to Midtown. I remember asking Ray Kelly a question about this, maybe in 2010 or 2011, and he was like, yeah, I want to expand it to the entire city. And at that point, people were like, whoa, what are you talking about? It kind of was a one-day story because it was still hard to criticize the NYPD and the media back then. But they have built over the years with about an estimated $3 billion in federal and local funding. A surveillance system called the Domain Awareness System that links all these CCTV cameras, which have been updated, mind you, thousands of cameras from the private sector have been included in them. They've been enabled with, quote unquote, smart video technology to recognize colors, shape, people.

35:55They claim they don't do live facial recognition. I can tell you, they outsource that shit to a local fusion center to do it. This is, so, I don't mean to stop you and get us off track. That's the technical build out, right? Yeah, but like the facial recognition stuff, it's like, whenever anyone says, oh, we don't do that. Or like, it's like when they said, oh, like Instagram or whatever, it doesn't listen to your conversations, like all those ads that you're getting on. Like they're just lying. Like, okay, maybe you technically don't do that, but the information is sent to somebody else who does do that, who bounces it back to you. Yeah, I mean, I think last year the NYPD was caught calling the FDNY to ask them to run a student protestors massed face through Clearview AI's facial recognition program at Columbia, right? And then they jacked them up on a charge. Clearview, I believe was, what's his name? Tong Ho and Tha. Oh, Chuck Johnson, who is the source of the confidential report about the Epstein stuff, which has gotten a lot of play in the media,

36:55which is, wow, what a small world. Anyways, but they build out this like domain awareness system. It's built through, I believe in partnership with IBM and they do it in a manner that allows IBM and the NYPD to potentially contract off of future sales of this model to other police departments and other cities because it's designed as like a four, you know, a complete turnkey package for a citywide surveillance system, right? A command and control model that is quite, that is straight up what military does with the situation rooms. That's where the model comes from. It is a little funny because now I feel like the disruptors over at Flock have completely circumvented this by being like, why don't we just have floating cameras everywhere? And also, wow, that's a great way to get around public procurement rules and to just completely hollow out any sort of state level restrictions on license plate reader, data sharing, gathering, whatever have you that, you know,

37:56I saw this happening California anyway. But so there's an increasing level of surveillance technology that's deployed, starting in Lower Manhattan, moving up to Midtown and now throughout the five boroughs. Yep, throughout the five boroughs. And this is everywhere from like the street corner to, including in NYCHA housing. Yeah, the NYCHA cameras were in New York City, the housing authority here. I think over 400,000 people live in New York City public housing. Yeah. I mean, it's the largest stock of affordable housing in the country. It's terribly maintained. The feds have underfunded it. The state is underfunded, the city is underfunded it. The mayor right now is not doing a great job with regards to NYCHA tenants because, I don't know. I mean, it's just, it's kind of crazy to see that. It's a different topic. But they had cameras in New York City public housing in the mid 1990s. And they had cops in these things called quote unquote, viper rooms where they'd watch the camera systems. And those tend to be cops who are on being disciplined for God knows what, for like beating the shit out of somebody, sleeping with their subordinate, what have you.

38:59That's where you got, that was your rubber room where you got sent for punishment. NYCHA's integrated into it. I mean, this is just, it's the entire goddamn city. And now they have gunshot detectors integrated into it too, which don't actually work like they set off, you know, you set off a firecracker around a corner and then, you know, 30 seconds later, two minutes later, there's a shot spot alert on a cop's phone, right? And all the domain awareness system now is linked into police phones because they're all on iPhones. It took them a while for them. Oh, I see them on them. Yep. They're on them frequently. Yes, they are. In fact, I feel like they do little else besides being on the iPhones. Handy crush, ticked off, baby. But no, no, no, before you, before you judge, when you go into a subway station and see 16 of these short or fat or ugly or out of shape in some extraordinary way, which one does not even glimpse on the body of a civilian. You see 16 of these characters standing in a row with their next, like looking like they're trying to suck their own fucking weeners on their phones. You're like, your brain thinks, oh, they're playing candy crush,

40:00but you know what your heart should know? They're looking at shot spotter because there has been shots fired possibly somewhere and they're making sure that people are safe, okay? So before you judge, thank for a second. But yeah, they love being on their phone. They love being on their phone, but like the bottom line is that policing has basically been driven by the data drives everything now. The NYPD has been turned into a department that is information first and the information isn't exactly good often. And that's surprising. No, but there's also a similar build out, aside from the technical build out after 9-11, the department decides that they are going to never going to have another terrorist attack like 9-11 again. So they build out in conjunction with the Central Intelligence Agency. There is an image in CIA. There is a senior officer, senior official loaned to the NYPD, Larry Sanchez, who basically turns their existing intelligence unit, which did a lot of work around like protecting dignitaries to UN, you know, UN general assemblies and so forth

41:04and making sure that like, I don't know, another Myrka-Han assassination doesn't happen here. Like, you know, the mid-1990s, that intelligence bureau was all over that stuff. They get turned into an offensive unit, right? So they are given tons of money by the, through federal funding, and they are trained on how to basically, do pattern, they're trying to essentially build out the pattern of life on the city's Arab-American, Middle Eastern Muslim communities. So this is where they have the Moss-Grenker program. That's where it comes from. And the, it's the demographics unit? That's what they call it, yeah. So the goal was to build a map and a true demographic analysis, which by the way, this is classic counter-insurgency theory and practice to map out and do a census of your, quote unquote, suspect population, which happened to be every, you know,

42:06Muslim or Middle Eastern, New Yorker community, and then they sent informants. And also you have to remember, after 9-11, tons, thousands of Middle Easterners were detained in the US. And hundreds of them were deported. Hundreds of maybe thousands of the poor, this one were deported. I don't know if we covered it, I just put it in the notes, but we talked about this in a recent episode about DHS. Yeah, there was a big roundup. Of Muslim Middle Easterners. Yeah, the Brownscare. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And there was also a nationwide mosque infiltration program, which I'm sure that most of our listeners are familiar with by the FBI, there's a lot of entrapment attempts. There was, yeah. But the NYPD was specifically doing it here, because New York City has quite a large Muslim population. Yeah, it's almost, it's close to, it's pushing a million now. Yeah. And there are big swaths of the Bronx, Harlem, Bay Ridge obviously in Brooklyn,

43:09over on Coney Island Avenue as well, a bit over into Midwood, as a little Pakistan back then. I mean, there's Queens, Jackson Heights, God knows. Kensington. Kensington, yeah, I mean, Bangladesh is in Kensington. I mean, it's just, it's a big, diverse population. And, you know, I mean, Islam is, it's a massive religion. So of course, they're in New York City is a melting pot. So you're gonna have tons of Muslims here. And the NYPD sent undercover officers into not just mosques, community centers, bar, bars, coffee shops, sports leagues, student associations, not just in New York City, but throughout the Northeast and elsewhere in the country. And they like basically tried to, they tried to get as much information about leading figures in those communities, they tried to figure out where the pressure points were and they developed a lot of informants. And this program went on until it was exposed

44:09by the Associated Press in the early 2010s. And I'll tell you, Bloomberg defended it, Ray Kelly defended it, and a lot of people in the city's power structure defended it, because they said, well, you know, we need to be safe. We have to make sure that this never happens again when, you know, sorry, 9-11 was a plot that the FBI and the CIA were quite aware of, right? They knew who these people were. The idea, they wasn't a matter of not having enough intelligence. It's a matter of like doing something about it anyhow. But the intelligence division also developed a clear interest in, I guess what you could call the remnants of the anti-globalization moving to the late 90s and early 2000s. I remember being at demonstrations in like summer 2001 and getting videotaped by the cops from the technical assistance response unit, which are the NYPDs. What is that? Tarou, Tarou, technical assistance response unit,

45:09which are the NYPD's secret squirrels that work out of Fort Tottenham, Queens, out by Doug Liston on the loyal and sound. They're the ones who pilot the drones. They're the ones who do the videos of being at demonstrations. They're the ones who do the technical surveillance. Not the undercover work and not, you know, sending going to a crowd wearing the color of the day. Color of the day by the way is like orange, yellow, red, whatever color an undercover cop wears in order to signify to other officers that they are not. That's resilient. Oh, color of the day. Yeah, anti-crime used to wear color of the day all the time. I know, but there's so many sort of myths around like police and an undercover and shit like that that you never know if like that shit's actually real. Yeah, color of the day matters. That is true, okay. That's not, that sounds just a New York thing. But it's more known here because the anti-crime units would all wear color of the day. So you see like cops all wearing like this. They all had some part, something cause to speak you will see orange or red on them that point. You're like, all right, you're an under. Aside from like the typical way of telling them which is like a big bulky dude dressed in like a giant or jets or yanky, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

46:11And wearing a certain kind of boot. Yeah, a certain kind of boot and just a little bit too bulky. Yeah. Anyhow, the department's intelligence unit develops a really intense interest in left-wing movements, particularly the anti-war movement. And during the huge marches against the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war in like 2002, 2003, people who got arrested would get debriefed about their political leanings and how they felt about the president, how they felt about like America 9-11, da-da, similar shit happened after the Republican National Convention process in 2004, which when the NYPD completely militarized midtown, they swept up hundreds of folks in these mass arrests, preemptive arrests, by the way, threw them into this old toe pound on the Hudson River, which is now, you know, I think it's at like 40th Street, it's been hollowed out, they took the roof off it. It's a nice park, it's very pretty, but like people were held at Guantanamo on the Hudson as it was called for like days in like mish-in motor oil and had fed baloney and they just disappeared.

47:15And then the intelligence unit really had, a huge amount of sprawl, like they had analysts to it, they even sent people overseas as well, thanks to private funding. Yeah, I mean, we should mention that real quick. There are NYPD offices in London, in Paris, and of course in Tel Aviv. Actually, they operated out of a police station in Tel Aviv and I did not realize that it was privately funded. So there's just a cop and in fact, he recently came back to the US. So I think there's been two so far and one after 18 years just came back and according to a New York Post article I read that came out on November of last year, they were looking for a new guy to send over there. Yeah, I mean, the overseas detectives are supposedly their liaisons to foreign law enforcement, that's how they get, you know, put on to plots overseas and like that's how they stay aware of all the things.

48:17All the nefarious things that happen. It was the Tel Aviv one and God, I really wonder if the London or Paris one is similar, but they're like, yeah, you know, whenever there's like a terrorist attack or major crime, you know, NYPD liaison shows up and I'm like, and does what? They get in the way of local law enforcement. Yeah, they're like, he like kind of like walks around like, in Paris, can you imagine there's like a mugging or like the Louvre Heist? Well, was it guy for the NYPD be like, oh, what's going on here, guys? Yeah, I mean, I'm here to collect my check. Anyway, during the bus bombings in 2005 in London, July 2005, the NYPD did get, they clash with the FBI's legal attaché over like what exactly they were doing on scene, what their purpose was. I mean, there's, I've spoken with former FBI legats who just, the amount of contempt they have for the overseas program is pretty visible because, I mean, look, they're in Columbia, the Dominican Republic. Oh, come on. Can you imagine the NYPD liaison in Columbia?

49:19They're in Australia, Thailand. And they're in Australia, doing what? Serving. Spain, France, they have two in France. I believe they have one in Paris and one in Lyon where Interpol is based. They have one in Great Britain. They've got one in UAE, which apparently the person documents the intercept reported on years back, they got a leaked document from an entity that I'll get into in a little bit. The UAE donated money to get an overseas cop posted there. So the money went through this thing called the New York City Police Foundation, a 501 C3 organization that is a quote unquote police booster. This was set up in the late 1970s when the city was broke as a joke, right? And the entire point was to give cops to buy a cops gear that they needed. I mean, this is when the NYPD didn't have money to fly detectives to like San Francisco to pick up a fugitive, right? It couldn't afford a plane ticket. So they raised private funds to buy cops, bulletproof vest, upgrade, radios, cars, so forth.

50:21By the early 2000s, this thing has turned into a slush fund that allows companies to donate to the police foundation, the police foundation, then turns around and buys that gear and donates it to the police department, which not only gets around public procurement rules, but let's be honest, it kind of determines what sort of influence the donors have over the department's operations and posture, right? That seems like it's completely like a funnel for corruption. It is. And there's similar things, there's similar foundations that exist in Atlanta. The police foundation there is tied in with the funding of the cop city program. And in LA, the police foundation there is how the department, that department built out its centralized surveillance system and purchase drones, purchase all sorts of other equipment. I mean, it's, and there are allegations about pay for play there. I mean, it just doesn't seem also like, if there's supposed to be any kind of democratic oversight over police departments, it seems like they can circumvent those by a group of wealthy citizens

51:22who essentially function as a way for the police department to do, like, graft and procurement fraud and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's also worth saying that the NYPD until recently also was able to withhold a number of their contract items from public disclosure. And that's changed now, but they used to have a black budget. Well, that doesn't seem right to me. I mean, listen, I felt the turn up truck yesterday. And so to me, I understand what I see, what do the cars say? Dignity? Perfect. Now, courtesy, professionalism, respect. These are words that I live by, CPR. And it seems like that these people are mostly doing crime, public, something to imagine I was saying something clever there, including stealing money from people. And rape, as we'll get to quite soon. Yeah, I mean, there have been. That's what the NYPD wants. Crime, pussy and rape. And it's crazy to me. The organization though, but who's on it?

52:22I mean, it can't just be like rich people. Well, it is rich people. I mean, you have people, this people associated with are typically from the city's real estate class, like the left-frag family has a number of people on it, left-frag city, the housing development in Queens. There are left-frags associated with it. And then you have at least two, as last I checked on their most recent 990, you had Andrew Tish and Alexander Tish, who are from the family that owns the, the Lowes Corporation. And I believe they are related to, they are related to the current chancellor of the State University of New York system, Meryl Tish, whose daughter, Jessica Tish, is the current police commissioner. So we've been going through a little bit the chronological timeline here of the NYPD in recent history.

53:26But where are we at now with it? Because there was the events of 2020, the COVID pandemic, and then the BLM war against the police, where the NYPD had some, let's say, less than CPR style exchanges with various citizens at least. It was like a long police ride here. Yeah, yeah. I mean, after the first couple, so the way it broke down here is, this is my, during the blasio's term, he has like, he's kind of coasting on a public safety tip after bringing back Bill Bratton, who's, you know, Giuliani's stop and frisk, zero tolerance guru, even though he was only, he wasn't here that long, but he was very loved, loved by the New York City media. He knew how to cultivate reporters and an image, certain Junaisei Kwa. And, by, you know, Bratton manages to get a couple big wins, he brings LAPD style gang policing,

54:29when he did run the LAPD before in their early 2000s, he brings LAPD style gang policing to New York, he expands the use of the gang database, and he gets money from the city council with the blasio support to create two tactical units and expand that of apartment by, I think, maybe 1500 officers, roughly. The critical response command, which is a unit of body armor wearing, long gun toden cops that stand outside like, you know, the UN General Assembly, the intrepid, the Met, St. Patrick's Acathedral. How does that say the intrepid? I mean, yeah, they like, I see that there are a lot. And, like, there are a rapid response unit, but the department already has like, the emergency services unit, which is their SWAT team, they've tons of cops on that, it's kind of a redundant unit. But then they also create the strategic response group, and this group has become notorious, specifically for how they, because they conducted themselves during the 2020 demonstrations. They are essentially a riot squad, five team, 700 officer unit, each one team per burrow.

55:33And the SRG has a, from its beginning, don't let anybody else tell you that, don't let anybody tell you otherwise. From the beginning, it had a dual remit of counter-terrorism and counter-protest, so they always conflated terrorism with protests. That just seems like two quite different things now. I mean, I don't know where you get your views, but if you're losing the Fox, it's the same thing, man. But I'm just like, I feel like a terrorist, maybe has like a different, there's like certain different other things you might want to do to like fight against them, rather than like, re-education camps. I mean, you know, anyone, the idea about terrorism has broadened, you know, the current discourse about domestic terrorism under Trump too, is that like anything I don't like is domestic violence. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And to be honest with you, you could see that coming in the expansion of the term terrorism to like gang crime. It's hard in California in the 80s, and like street terrorism enforcement prevention act as California's gang law passed in 88. And by like the mid 2000s, you had prosecutors, federal prosecutors in New York City,

56:33who were filing terrorism charges against Mexican gang members and the Bronx for like a regular homicide. Yeah, like garden variety homicide. So that there have been test balloon sent up but the SRG's creation really kind of, it's a bit of a tell in terms of how the department views dissent, or expressions of... So the SRG to me has always stood out as sort of just like the thug squad. Yeah, these are the guys, that's the riot squad. So the guys they send in to like beat the shit out of you, specifically. And that's what happened in 2020. So the first day of protests over George Floyd's murder after that video went viral. I remember I remember seeing it because I was reporting up in Connecticut. I was at the crew from the BBC. We were doing a documentary about like neo-Nazi, neo-Nazi terrorists and we'd doorstep somebody. And we were driving, you know, the day before was the first day that the video had come out. I remember sitting in the car with our cameraman looking on my phone at the video. I'm like, this is bad. This is really bad. And of course, you know, it spread.

57:36Votes over, it was kicked off in Minneapolis immediately and then spread to other cities. The first protest in New York was I believe in Union Square and it was a couple, you know, maybe two, three dozen people and the cops just went ham on them. Yeah, just beat the fuck out of them immediately from jump. And I remember seeing this because we were driving back and in the city, we were done. I remember flipping through my phone. I wasn't driving. I was not driving. And yeah, it's okay. You can say it. No, no, no, no, my homeboy was driving. I remember, it keeps you on your toes if you're texting while driving. Yeah, for real. And we're driving, we're coming back over. I believe the Tribal Bridge and I remember looking to my right and seeing one, two, three, four, five SRG marked NYPD cruisers next to us. I was like, oh, what the fuck are they doing? And they were heading down to Union Square to tune these people out. And the next day at the Barclays Center was the first big protest. That's where the cop caught, the van got burned. People were like pushing back against the cops

58:37and that's the, that was the spark for those big mass protests in New York that were really triggered by the way that the NYPD tuned up. Yeah. The protesters on day one. And the SRG were at the center of it. And you know, by like the second week, they were wearing these, they were on their bicycles, they were wearing their, you know, their little Ninja Turtle pattern outfits that look like, I think the Seattle police departments who trade them on that. And you know, you can, at this point, you could actually go through the histories of police officers in New York State was battering, was batting around some changes to disclosure laws around complaints and identifying an officer and their complaints. There had been attempts by the Legal Aid Society to build databases on this prior using civil lawsuits. So in, I think that fall, I did a piece for the appeal, looking at the SRG officers just by like comparing their roster with the complaints. And they had a huge percentage of them. I think it was, they had like 292 misconduct allegations

59:39filed against 46 of these cops. And these are the people who were identified at incidents. And then, you know, some of them had, some supervisors had up to like 32 complaints each. That's a lot. Yeah, I mean, they were, and these are incidents where they burst into people's houses without warrants, where they beat them up, they hospitalized them, they falsely arrested them. It was just, it was clear that it was a goon squad. And over the succeeding years, they've definitely lived up to that reputation. So the campaigns have banned the SRG or disband them dates from the response to the 2020 protests. The city had to pay tens of millions of dollars in legal settlements. They had, there's a, as a result of the legal settlement, the SRG is no longer allowed to hit the streets in the same way. The law, there are currently efforts to unwind that. It's just part of this pendulum swing that happens with the city council and the mayoralty and like the powers it be over anything to wind back the NYPD's ability to stamp on First Amendment rights. Well, I want to talk about two of the characters

1:00:41that are sort of at the forefront of not just the SRG drama, although we don't really know where that is at right now. I mean, Zoran has said he wants to disband it. The police commissioner said she doesn't. There's a bill in the council that got knocked down because the current speaker didn't want it. Yeah, there's a lot of moving parts. And, you know, I'll let you, I'll let you lead me to the water. Well, so as a result of the massive upheaval of 2020, a figure emerges from political obscurity to lead the people of New York as a unified whole for maybe the first time in the city's history. That would be Mayor Eric Adams, a former NYPD officer, but really a cop for life. Somebody who had nine phones, he carried around with him in a briefcase, which I know what you're thinking right now. How do you keep him straight? Surely one of those phones must be used for crime.

1:01:43No, my friends, no, no, no, no, no. None of them were. And he kind of comes to office into office in a confused way, confused in terms of his politics, but also sometimes I don't really know if he knows where he is. We were all very confused in 2021. Yeah, it was Rank Choice Voting and New Yorkers didn't seem to understand that like one, two, three, like, you know, believe me, I know the first choice, the second choice, the third choice, I know it was difficult about that. So, I mean, look, I remember when they, in Stutt, when they started off Rank Choice Voting in Oakland in 2010, and it was pretty basic. And it's worked there for a long time, it's worked in other places too, but for God knows what reason, it was as if you, you know, you're expecting New Yorkers to do, like, you know, physics equations on the ballot. Yeah, yeah, you know what they say? New Yorkers, the special education center of the world.

1:02:44He points quite a lot of his inner circle, let's say, our former or current members of New York's finest, the NYPD. That's right. Yet despite this, he has some difficulties with appointing a police commissioner. So it's common practice for every new mayor to basically appoint a new police commissioner. Am I wrong on this? Every mayor since I believe Benjamin Wagner in the mid 1960s is a point of their own police commissioner within six months. Until now. Until now, yes. But he appoints, at first, Keychant Suell, who is the first female police commissioner. First African American woman, no. From Nassau PD. She resigns, apparently, because she was being thwarted by Philip Banks, the third, and Timothy Pearson. Those are two names that people here in New York might be familiar with. You have a smile interface.

1:03:44I just love Phil Banks. I really do. Phil Banks is one. They don't make them like that. He is, so his brother, I believe, is that also appointed as the head of the Department of Education and gets into his own set of hot water. Correct. Overgraphed. And there's multiple, by the way, I think his wife, too. David Banks is wife, right? His wife, I think, is a deputy mayor. Yeah, but she gets wrapped up in... Or she has a good no-show job, I think. She may have even moved around. It's really hard to keep these things straight because during the Adams administration, I mean, it was like a... It was a feeding frenzy of graft. It was spectacular. It was a really hard to track them. You kind of need like spaghetti on the wall, felt hurt. How good is the only people I've seen able to do it effectively? Because they had literally just the table of success list. And you could like click on them and find out, what if there's... You guys have to understand, ladies and gentlemen, Eric Adams administration had so much, so, so, so much open blatant, like... Swagger? Swagger. And that's facts.

1:04:44That's facts, and it's swagger. And it's the kind of swagger that you're only gonna see here in New York, which, you know, I'm born and raised Brooklyn, obviously. But I've never in my entire life, in my entire 17 years on this fucking planet, seen anything like the open corruption of Eric Adams. I'm not saying I haven't seen corruption like this, but he makes Donald Trump's and like the Trump family's sort of corruption around the presidency. I mean, he makes him look like, I don't know, I'm trying to think of a guy who's a little more definitely corrupt. Barelus Goney. Chain Kai Shaq. He wasn't very deaf about it, but it was just insane. So, Phil Banks is, and it's just like, basically undercutting. She's like, he's like trying to actually run things. Well, he was running the department, so Phil Banks, let's rewind a little bit. Phil Banks, in De Blasio's first term, had risen up to be the chief of department, which is the highest uniformed officer in department, effectively the number two, and was seen widely as Bill Bratton's replacement.

1:05:47He got into hot water. No. Along with, as part of a pretty broad scandal involving two real estate developers, I know what you're about to say, and I know what you're all thinking. Yes, a pair of Jewish real estate developers did do a departed style situation using Phil Banks. Yes, so, they, these two guys, bribed, not allegedly, they were charged by the Fed's arrest. There was a big sprawling investigation that wrapped up a couple other police and officials, and almost, basically, it was very, very close to touching on De Blasio. There were many tendrils to this, and we don't have to go into it. We can just stick with Phil. So, Phil was an unindicted co-conspirator. He was unindicted co-conspirator number one in the court papers, and he, not only held, you know, he gave these guys parking permits, they stored their diamonds in the safe

1:06:47in his office at one police plaza. I shit the knot. A message for only my fellow Jewish, but we cannot be doing things like this. We need, I'm not gonna be Bill Cosby of Jews. We gotta pull up our pants. We cannot keep sacking like this. You are not going to be bribing the goyum anymore, and we're not putting the diamonds in their saves anymore. Put them in the safe at home. Why do you guys put it in the safe? I just don't understand that. Who knows where the diamonds came from? We don't know that. I mean, you know, in Africa. Probably. Yeah, a lot of blood on them, anyhow. So, they take banks to Israel with them. There are photos that, I believe Bloomberg News got them released from the, they're incredible. I mean, they, Bloomberg got them released. They, he was floating in the dead sea. That's so much fun. You know, it's good this beatific grin on his face. He's, you know, clearly, he has to kiss the wall. He's up on that wall, giving it a big truth. I think this, so people, this is crazy.

1:07:48People think that people kiss the wall because, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We, we kiss the wall because a lot of the times you get there, you fuck it, the wall. It kind of makes you horny. Well, the women are in a different, they're segregated. Exactly, but they're technically behind you. But you're like, hmm, to see, you want to show it out, you're showing out, it's like doing air sex in front of the females. Because you know they're watching you. So you show how good you are at kissing by kissing the wall, like, you're saying. That's some weird shit. No, I made that up. But, but he's, yeah, he's having a blast. There's this, there's the best photo of them is a photo of banks and I believe, I can't remember whether it's Reignitz or another guy. It's him and like, too visibly like, visibly Jewish dudes with like, keep us on. What was that mean? I mean, they were in the keep on. They were in the keep on. And they're all holding Uzi's and they're firing them off at a gun rate. It's just, it's so funny. This guy, like, you know, he couldn't have had a better time. Anyhow, so he quits in disgrace. He's Adam's boy. Adam brings him, Adam's brings him back.

1:08:49Not as the police commissioner, but he kind of, he works and I kid you not. There's a huge like faceless red brick tower behind one police plaza. It's the Verizon building. Banks, Phil Banks gets an office at the top of that thing. And he, I mean, it's walking distance from one police plaza. When I used to work there for the times, I'd like, badge out at the back end of the building and you could, you're under the tower. He's running the police department from up there. I mean, he was conducting meetings with operational meetings with senior commanders and Chishan's soul was completely cut out of the loop and shit hits the wall because for her. What happens is this city, the local nonprofit news site, the city, which is still doing some of the best coverage around New York. Oh, you're talking about the city, the city, the website. One of their reporters gets a tip and Chishan's it down that a cop had been arrested for menacing two teenagers

1:09:49in a, I can't remember which neighborhood, it's like Northeastern Brooklyn. They'd been bouncing a bath, you know, they're walking down the street, bouncing a bath wall around. They'd bounce it off the wall, they'd bounce it off garage, they'd bounce it off garage. And he comes out and chases them with a piece in his hand with a gun. This guy's a retired cop. He gets the kids call the cops and say, hey, this man is chasing us with a gun. So the police obviously take it seriously. They show up, they arrest the dude. They, and you can see the body camera from this too. They show, you know, the gun to the kids and they're like, yeah, that's, that's what he, that's for any of us. So this guy gets locked up. He goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Call, call Madry, call Madry. And Jeffrey Madry is, at this point, I believe he's pretty high up in the upper ranks of the police department. He might be the chief department, which is the number two position. Madry's in, he was the commander of Brooklyn North beforehand. He kind of rotates through all these different command posts that you get to when you rise up through the ranks of the police department. Madry's a huge human being.

1:10:49He's built like a fridge, yeah. Like a big industrial size fridge. He's a cubie. And like, no neck to speak of, just like, this man would have clearly had been a fantastic line. Well, that's because there's a closer brain heart connection. Yeah. And he's a, he's a piece of work. So, Madry takes the call from the subordinate, comes into the precinct and is like, no, kind of loose. And the guy gets, like, oh, yeah. And these kids complain and the internal affairs complaint works its way through. And the city's story becomes public. They get this information out there about the arrest being voided. And it becomes pretty difficult once the internal affairs investigation gets going. Madry's found to have committed misconduct, right? To have interfered with an arrest. And he's, the NYPD has its own internal discipline system. They have their own courtrooms in the building on the second floor, administrative law. They have the only agency in the city

1:11:51that doesn't get taken to the office of trials and hearings, which is outside for all these agencies. New York City, for those of you who don't live here, it's almost 9 million people. It's a small, it's a small and moderately sized European country. It has a, obscenely large Byzantine government structure. Yes, yes. That people who've lived here for most of their lives just like typically aren't able to navigate. So good luck getting you, you know, your sidewalk, a pothole filled or your fence, your fence is painted or anything like that. So Madry gets found to have interfered in this case. And Kishant's soul wants to discipline him. Banks and Adams, Banks leans on Adams, and Adams tells his soul, you're not going to discipline him. And so she quits, she's like, all right, fuck this. I can't, like I clearly have no authority here. I'm not, I'm not making basic personnel decisions. Like, I'm going to leave. So she quits and he installs a cop named Edward Caban. And Edward Caban has a twin brother.

1:12:51Okay, okay, listen, there's a lot of brothers in this. This is actually what made the Eric Adams story. I think so confusing for so many people. There's a lot of brothers in this. But I just want to be clear on this. Eric Adams appoints the first female, first black female police commissioner. And he's like, I love the progress that I'm making so much. Why don't I appoint the first Latino police commissioner? That's right. Well, and then we have Edward Caban. And I got to tell you, his twin brother was arrested for being a bad landlord. Now, I want you ladies and gentlemen to think right now, what it would take to be arrested for being a bad landlord. You got to work hard. You really got to work at your ass. His whole family's cops though. I mean, the bad landlord who got arrested was an ex-cop. His father was a cop. They're all fucking cops. But his style, it seems like he came in. He's like, loud and clear. I hear you, Mr. Eric Adams. Nobody is getting in trouble for anything anymore.

1:13:53No, he overturned a record number of disciplinary cases. I mean, this stuff that we're talking people would be. We're talking about cops who lie on their time cards. We're talking about fraternization. I mean, it's, he, so the police commissioner and the NYPD's disciplinary system can retain a case once final discipline has been passed down, whether it's termination or anything else. Basically, they can say, nope, guess what? Final authority with discipline lies with me. For discipline of lies with me, is it the city charter outlines? So I'm going to overturn months, years of investigative work and trial and hearings, and potentially like an administrative trial too, which did happen quite a few times. And commands like, yeah, fuck it. We're not, we're not doing that. We're not cracking down on people. And there's always been a problem with this, but Kaban, like, he's set records, but he also loves to party. He had this place up in the Bronx called Constalfrito that was run by, and I believe the main business partner

1:14:55on that was an Albanian dude who ended up caching a federal case for a human trafficking across the Canadian border. Listen, man, I mean, he and the like, the brass would party up there and non-stop, and they take photos of it and post it to Instagram. I'll tell this, the NYPD, I want to racially profile here. I don't want to do anything demographics style things. But there's a lot of NYPD Albanian overlap that I think might make anybody who is a reform minded person uncomfortable. And we love Albanians here. We love Albanians. We love Albanians here. In fact, I kind of think you guys are better running these pizza places than a lot of these fucking Italians were. Oh, I mean, because all those pizza places that you're going to, you think they're Italian? No, that is an Albanian pizza. Go to Arthur Avenue in the Bronx. Oh, Albanian. That is an Albanian street, my brother. But, but, but, but, but, okay, so we like the party. We like the party with Albanian or two. It's not like my friends haven't seen four uniformed NYPD officers doing lines of cocaine off

1:15:56of a table at an illegal Albanian casino. It's not like that. Those things are happening in this fucking city. A certain neighborhood in a Northern Brooklyn Southern Queen. This is just happened. The Albanians are there. But, but, so he's party in the Bronx. He's party in the Bronx and he's party with his brother and the main thing is this. It's illegal to party with your brother. His brother looks a lot like him. They are twins. They're fucking twins. A lot like them and they do parent trap to people. Yeah, I mean, apparently, busy. I think the first place that came out instead as much was this like juice bar slash actual bar in Coney Island, which is a great combination. To be clear, Coney Island is a sort of place. It's a magical place. It is a magical place. It's a playground of the world. It is really something. And in the summer, I mean, have you ever been to Paradise Island, like the open air bar in Coney Island? That's like in the museum park. It's fucking great. It's fantastic. I've been by there, but no, I don't.

1:16:56It's just it's some of the best people watching in the city. And then you hear the screams and the other things that happened in the museum park, which is a somewhat sinister place anyhow. So there's this juice bar real bar in Coney Islands. And I think this was in 2023, like summer 2023, the owner comes out and goes on the news and is like, the cops are trying to shake me down. And you're like, what do you mean the cops are trying to shake you down? He's like, well, this guy came and this cop came and was like, hey, we got a complaint that you're selling real booze here. You're not supposed to sell real booze. So you need to give us X amount of money. You need to give us a couple thousand dollars. And he's like, okay, to who? And he's like, here's a number and he calls them and it's Richard Caban, not Edward Caban. And then as this thing hits the news, other people come out and are like, oh, wait, yeah. Richard Caban showed up at my business and tried to shake me down for money and pretended that he was the police commissioner. This guy was posing as his brother allegedly to shake down businesses for bribe money.

1:17:58And not that much, like a couple thousand dollars. The police commissioner of the city of New York City, nine million people, so even nine and 11 happened, is walking around to fucking juice bars on Coney Island saying, give me $3,000. Yeah. He's shaking down the juice bar for $3,000. Well, not just, not just though. We need to raise these guys salaries. Not just, so this kicked into, by the time this became public, the FBI initiated, surprise, surprise, initiated public corruption investigation. This is back in the day when they did such things that have investigating people for, I don't know, what they posted on social media. Yeah, right. And the last report that I saw on it was that not just Caban and his brother, but the commanders of the precincts that cover Chelsea and Hell's Kitchen and the meat packing district. We're also under investigation for shaking down nightclubs out there for bribe money. And if you know that area, there are a ton of high grossing nightclubs and bars in those districts. So these, obviously, these investigations

1:19:00were fired into the moon after Donald Trump became president because there's also folks like Kaz Dottry, who's a sergeant who rose up to the number six in the department under Adams, who happened to, he was the guy who bought the drones, who expanded technical surveillance when the NYPD raided the Columbia and City University of New York and Kamens. He was at the forefront. And that was under Caban, too. Yeah, yeah, that was under Caban. And it was Kaz Dottry who did that weird NYPD evil Jima stunt at City College where they hauled down the Palestinian flag that the students had hosted at CCNY and all of the American flag was so funny. It was so funny. And anyway, Dottry and Jonathan Shell, who's another just absolute, this dude is such a wild alcohol that he has his own bar stool with his name, his plaque on it in Staten Island where he lives. And the man just like tweets nonstop.

1:20:01He shot and killed an unarmed motor since 2008 costing the city $1.5 million in a settlement that was negotiated down a million by the city from what the jury awarded 2.5. And I will say every time he tweets he has frequently reminded of this fact. Always, they murdered a person. They murdered a person and like cost the city a shit ton of money for that. But this guy ends up rising to be the number two in the department, stays in that position and almost until Mamdani becomes mayor. And like, Shell and Cass Dottry, Shell, I think, appeared at a Trump rally in the Bronx in uniform, goes to the Trump's night at the garden in fall 2024. Yeah, that he goes in uniform. Classic. And then he and Dottry proceed to go visit Trump at his, you know, golf resort in the West, and beds midst their aware of the fuck it is in New Jersey last year. So like, it's very clear where these people align politically. And it's very clear that they're all getting theirs. Oh, Shell's best, the best thing about John Shell. He retired on a disability pension

1:21:02after he like stepped in a divot in Randall's Island while policing a, you know, a migrant camp out there. Yeah. He also cheated on his taxes by not reporting the money he made as a wreck league basketball coach. That's how much of a schmo this guy is. They're all just giant high schoolers, you know, with guns and badges and the power of arrest and like a steady drip feed of Fox News. We haven't even talked about the head of former head of the sergeant's union who had Cuban on mugs on his desk. Oh god, yeah, I remember that. Well, he had, all right. So, so Kaban retires, because we have to get to, to Tish. Kaban requires retires. He's replaced by Thomas Donlin. And actually, I'm so sorry, listeners, but we kind of skipped over a madry thing real quick. Oh my god. Go ahead, Brace. We were talking about Jeffrey Madry. Jesus. You'll understand why we might have skipped over this. It's, this is fun. He is, first of all, I believe he was investigating for rape of a subordinate. Yep. I don't know if he was, it was not just one of that.

1:22:03Yeah, multiple. So, there's, this is the guy who's built like a fridge that I'll introduce. And he's the number two in the police department, essentially, in, now retired. Now retired. With full benefits? Yes. All these guys are retired with full benefits. No one has seen any sort of discipline. So, intentional out on the retire with full benefits. So, the madry, I believe, there's a, the only news gets a hold of the overtime list. Highest, you know, highest overtime earners. And they find this one female lieutenant who's earning $500,000, $400,000 over, you know, a year, obscene amounts of overtime. Just, and then, you know, they do a story about her. She goes back to them and says, Hey, the reason why I'm earning this overtime is this is my payoff from Jeffrey Madry for letting him, for sleeping with me, for basically sexually assaulting me. Oh, and by the way, he's taking a cut of this overtime back to him that he's paying me, he's paying himself through that.

1:23:05And then there's other allegations about him sexually assaulting people in his office at one police plus. This guy was appointed to his position by Mayor Eric Adams, a former NYPD officer, and it's a high position. That's right. And, I mean, there's a New York Post article. I'm just gonna read it real quick, not all of it, but most of it. To back the Foster, a recently retired police officer blasted Jeffrey Madry, the married head of the NYPD's patrol borough Brooklyn North in a string of recent Facebook posts. This fool showed me a picture of my friend who is an officer in his phone with no clothes on. Foster 40 wrote in a post about Madry. WTF, how dumb can you be? Foster slammed Madry in a picture she posted herself wearing a Santa Claus hat while standing next to the chief. I appreciate you allowing me to sit in your face, she wrote next to the image. That's all it's good for. She also made lured accusations that Madry, whose wife is a police officer, had extra marital affairs. Somebody needs to stop chasing pregnant married girls around the department, she wrote, what is wrong with this guy? In one post, she writes that Madry 45

1:24:08visited her in the hospital for sex. When I was in the hospital, period, this fool had the audacity to come for as. Well, I had an IV in my arm, she posted. He is so greedy for as. I had to literally get out of my hospital bed and go into bathroom to this greedy ass man, some ass. So I'm sorry. Jeffrey Madry was going to the hospital in order to have sex or whatever or have some kind of maybe sex that is an exchange for money or an exchange for not being disciplined, some kind of, let's say, maybe not exactly consensual sex with this abordinate in the fucking hospital. And this is what's so crazy to me. We're supposed to believe as Jessica Tish would tell us in her interviews that she was giving at the end of the Adams administration that Eric Adams gave a fuck about law and order, that this was somebody who was talking about

1:25:09who was dealing with crime. He is appointing fucking people who are doing like street level graph, corruption, bribery, extortion, rape. And these are the people that they put in charge of making sure that our laws are fought and forced and all. I mean, this is just crazy to me. So, so Kaban is out. And by the way, you're right. And we should stress that. Jessica Tish allowed Madry to retire with what? Full Bennings. Full Bennings. Full benefits. Tish, Dauchery, Kaban, all these people, the entire Eric team, I believe Tim Pearson at Inkville Banks has an NYB pension, too, because he had 20 on. I mean, all these people are on public pensions. Yeah. For the rest of their lives. So, so congratulations, taxpayers here. Yeah, you're paying for this guy to just go off and fucking what, sit in Florida and think about all the amazing rapes he did. And Tish had the power to do something about this, right? Can you imagine who's inheriting his off? But Tish had the power to do something about this.

1:26:10They can say, no, you do not get this, but they gave it to them. Or she gave it to them. I want to talk about a somebody who is briefly in the, as a police commissioner, before we get to Jessica Tish, that would be Thomas Donlin. Who's there for what, three weeks? Oh, it's got a few months, a handful of months between. I mean, he was essentially put in as part of, you know, this is, I believe it's in 2024 when the, after this is after the FBI sees Eric Adams's phone in 2020, in November 2023. And there's like a little bit of a, should a moment where people are yelling at Governor Hocal to remove Eric Adams. And she doesn't. And she's like, oh, well, no, I think we're, we have to keep the city safe, you know, because there's this entire like crime panic that has been whipped in, whipped up by the media around 2021, 2022. There are some unfortunate incidents in the train where people get pushed underneath train tracks. So the governor creates an entire police department of hundreds of officers, just for the MTA to patrol

1:27:11the subways. No one seems to have seen those people recently. I haven't seen one of them in years. Yeah, when was the last time you saw one of them outside of Penn station? Oh, I don't know. They're supposed to be in the train. Sometimes I see, sometimes I see cops on the train, but they're not like, they're on the phone. But they're city cops. They're not MTA cops. Oh, no, I don't know if I've ever seen MTA cops. Exactly. I see city cops. Yeah. Anyhow, so after she defends, she strikes Andrew Cuomo for his, you know, for him being like, you know, kind of him, even Jeffrey Mattry or kind of Kindred Spirits, although he does not rape people as far as we know, right? He just touches on them a little bit. He touches on the kisses on them. He just says nasty things to them. But he's like, look, he's a talent. But if we're talking about, if we're talking about like, not even talking about what Andrew Cuomo did, but like some of the politics around it, they set him up. You know, they all, it's not like they knew that he was a stab in the back. He did do the things he's accused of, but they set him up. No, and it's very clear that Hocal is a far more shrewd operator than people give her credit for.

1:28:12And after, so the reason why I mentioned this is that after Adams gets in pretty deep shit with the feds and leads to his indictment in 2024, I believe like fall summer 2024 or whatever that happens. I don't know. It was a really dark, I restarted, I relapsed during that because of it. Any, I'm sorry to hear that. No, no, that's all good. But you see, Eric, do you remember that video that he did? He's like, well, you know, you may want to think about your children and you know, search their homes and be sure that something is innocent as a backfax and hire a crackpuck. Yes. Popular knapsack. I can tell you, Eric, make and seal a pistol. I don't think you understand. He's my, if he's my Dylan, he's my Bach, he's my, you know, he's my Bowie, he's my Gandhi. And we haven't even talked about his love for Istanbul, the place of my mother's birth. Oh my God. I got a little bit of a bojo to you. Oh yeah, oh yeah. But Dylan is in there for what? He's in there for three months. And the reason why he's put in is that Hoko wants to stabilize the NYP. And essentially, she becomes a shadow mayor

1:29:14and she still is kind of acting as that. But that's the moment when it becomes clear that she's like really, really pushing, kind of, she's putting her foot on Eric Adams's neck, right? And Dylan's in there for a few months. And essentially, he's filed a lawsuit after he's terminated a couple years later, But he just, he alleges that the Adam's folks who are still there and there's not, it's not just Mattry. And Mattry had to believe he was still in there at that point in time. But there's a whole group of other folks, including Chell and Dottry, and the head of the 86 person press office, Tariq Sheppard, which I mean, 86 people is bigger than every single Metro. It's better, bigger than any Metro news operation in the city now. 86 people. It's a lot. I don't know if my believe shoots and kills someone during a road rage incident, well, I believe Adam's, that was last summer. Yeah. Someone from the press office. Somebody from the press office? They were hammered. They were drunk. Oh, is it the lady? No, it was a dude. Oh, because that lady. Oh, I don't know. No, no, no, no.

1:30:14That's a different officer. That's, that's happened this year. Yeah. It's hard to keep these things straight. Anyhow, so Dolan's in there and he basically has his authority entirely, you sort of, he can't even get his promotion list in. So apparently per lawsuits that he's filed in the number of other Adam's era commanders who've stepped down or resigned because they felt like they were, you know, put on the outs by the little cabal that Eric put in charge. The promotion lists were substituted. The official ones were substituted with lists of people who were approved by the Adam's folks. And those lists included officers who'd paid up to $10,000 to $15,000 for their promotions. They're buying promotions through Graft. And they had a copy of Tom Donlin's Stampist Commissioner and they, you know, he, they'd get the list. They use his stamp to approve it and then pass it off to the personnel department. The police commissioner can't micromanage every piece of paper that comes across a desk.

1:31:15These are allegations outlined in lawsuits by senior commanders who knew of this. And that's, that happened for years. When Donlin leaves, he's moved over after like almost brawling with Tariq Shepard, the head of the press shop at NYPD at the, unlike the finishing, at the finishing line of the New York City. In 2024. Right. So he's moved on. And that's when Jessica Tisha's appointed as police commissioner by Eric Adams. Before Donlin, and he's shoved a little over into some role in City Hall, he approaches Jessica Tisha and was like, Hey, listen, this group of assholes is running the department as they see fit. Here's all the things they're doing. And by the way, you have, God knows how many cops who have received paper, their promotions, like you have a serious problem on your hands. These folks are not qualified. Some people would be like, Oh, I want to be in that unit because it's cool. And then they throw out some money or what typically happened. What also happened is that you have people who are related to like Tim Pearson, Banks,

1:32:16other folks who wrote up in Adams's circle, who got, you know, the NEPO baby type promotions. And Tisha's response to Donlin's lawsuit is, Oh, that was the past. We're looking forward, right? So she just didn't want to deal with this one bit. Hold on. I want to stop you right right now. This is something that we have since that we talked about Stacey Plaskit a couple months ago. This is really a true and on rhetorical rule that we advise all of you to employ. If you ever have anything like this happen, you say that was the past we're moving forward. We're looking towards the future. We're looking towards the future. So she's like, Okay. What do you mean? She's just like, Okay, well, thank you for your information. Yeah, yeah. She says nothing about it. Yeah. I want to talk about Jessica Tish and where she comes from because she was the police commissioner under Eric Adams, the final police commissioner. And she is currently the police commissioner under Zoran Mamdani. That's right. Last to you before, it's a little journalist trick. I'm not a journalist, but I learned this trick from them.

1:33:16Sometimes you know something and you ask someone the answer. I tell you the answer. They tell it to you. So you can ask another question later and look, it's crazy. Every new mayor for the past 60 years has appointed a new police commissioner. That's right. Zoran Mamdani did not. No, he did not. Jessica Tish is still the police commissioner and I want to go back a little bit and talk about her family because Tish, Tish, Tish, Tish, Tish, it's a lovely word to say. I see it everywhere. Tish. You do see it everywhere. You're like, cool. Must be like Johnson or something, right? You go to the Met. You go to the Met. Tish Gallery. Tish Gallery. You go to the school. The Tish School, the Arts or whatever the fuck. You go to Lincoln Center. You see a show. Oh, the Tish Building. Oh, Tish School. You look up your favorite free press columnist, Nial. What is it? Nial Ferguson? Nial. He's quite British. Who is, you told me he's married to? I, in her CLE, the Islamophobe par excellence. No, we love her. She's a Christian. She's a Christian.

1:34:17She's Christian now. No zealot like a recent convert. And Nial Ferguson was the Lawrence Tish professor of history at Harvard University where Jessica went to undergraduate, the MBA program, and to law school. You look up the mega group, the Les Wexner, Bronfman, little, let's say, group of guys who decided to influence a lot of Jewish communal life in the US that made up of big mega donors to the Jewish community. And you see, what do you see? Tish. Lawrence Tish. A great father. Mm-hmm. And her father, James Tish, ran the Jewish agency, which, you know, I'm just going, I don't know much about it. But maybe I think it's involved with a little bit the state of Israel, shipping thousands of Jewish Brits and Europeans and Americans over to settle in the Palestinian territories

1:35:19during the British mandate after it was taken over from the Ottoman Empire, right? Correct. Yeah. So that creates the facts on the ground that create the state of Israel. So although it's funny because I was actually looking at the forward obituary for Lawrence Tish, it says, because of his disapproval of those who operate outside the federated philanthropic framework, he was a reluctant participant in the group. Let's talk about the mega group. Said New York attorney kind of be out, be outkin, a friend of Tish's and a former national chairman of the ADL. So he was Lawrence Tish. I think essentially he was the guy who like started low his corporation. Yes, he was. And he was also the former, and this is again, this is Jessica Tish's grandfather. He also purchased and owned for like over a decade CBS news. That's right. And then the 80s and mid to mid 90s, I believe. So I want to read from a piece from fair fairness and accuracy in reporting. That's the eyes. That's right. It can't possibly. I think it does. Yeah. No, it does.

1:36:20It does. Isn't that time? I think it's a lot. Kind of. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. It is sometimes suggested that a tilt in CBS news coverage towards Israel reflects the priorities of Lawrence Tish, the network's chief executive officer. In August 1986, shortly after Tish had bought a major interest in CBS, company chair Tom Wyman said it was said to have told a meeting of CBS bureau chiefs that Tish's feelings about Israel could compromise the integrity of CBS news. According to Peter Boyer's who killed CBS, their mark was a major factor in Wyman losing his job. It goes on to say, after 60 minutes to the segment, 10, 23, 88, critical of A-PAC, the main US lobbying group for Israel, Tish told the shows producer Don Cueit, I can barely see straight. I'm so angry with you and referred to correspondent Mike Wallace as a self-hating Jew. And I've never heard that before. I've never heard that before, but there was another 60 minute scandal that you were telling

1:37:21me about. Tell me about it again. This one is a little bit, a little bit better known. So one of the reasons, that's been a long time in Northern California, one of the reasons why I moved out there was to attend UC Berkeley's journalism school, and I know you don't need to go to journalism school. But if you want to learn investigative reporting well, it helps to work under people who are pretty experienced. And the guy I studied under, my graduate advisor, is a former 60 minutes producer named Lowell Bergman. And Lowell is kind of like, he's appeared to see more Hirsh and David Halberstam, what are in Bergstein. He's a damn good reporter. And when he worked at 60 minutes, one of the stories that he and, you know, they were chasing this along with, I believe ABC, they were chasing a story in the early 1990s about tobacco companies knowing that their products were addictive and yet selling them anyway. This is when the nicotine, studies about nicotine were kind of filtering into contemporary

1:38:24news. I just want to, just for our own fairness, actions in reporting, it's not proven, it's a theory. As you grip the vape tighter and tighter, it's a theory, it's a theory, the theory of tobacco addiction was being sort of more, and maybe the possibility that it could want to give one cancer. The science, the science about the addiction was becoming clear, and the problem here is that the companies knew they were selling an addictive harmful product. So under consumer protection law, that makes them, that expose them to the liability that we'd see in the late 90s and early 2000s with a lot of legal actions. However, this was in the buildup to it, and in the early 90s, there was a scientist named Jeffrey Wigand, who worked for Brown and Williamson Tobacco Company, he was a chief scientist, and they were developing a fire safe cigarette, and Lowell developed enough of a rapport with

1:39:26Wigand that he convinced him to give, to slip in documents and, you know, convinced him to go on camera and explain how the tobacco companies knew that they were selling highly addictive, dangerous, possibly carcinogenic products to tens of hundreds of millions of Americans, just around the world, right? And, you know, in around August 1995, I think August 1st, 1995, when they were still building up this story, and we're working it up, Lawrence Tish announced, and he's CBO, he's CBOCBS at this point, he announced that Westinghouse Electric is going to buy CBS for 5.4 million dollars, right? At that point in time, his son, Andrew Tish, one of Jessica's uncles, was the chief, was the, I believe he was the president of lower-lar tobacco, one of the tobacco companies that, you know, went in front of Congress, Andrew Tish was one of, what Lowell called the quote, unquote, seven dwarves, seven tobacco executives who went in front of Congress, testified

1:40:27to Rizza Redhands and said, we know that we state that nicotine is not addictive. So CBS caught a remarkable amount, they finished their segment, Mike Wallace was the correspondent on, he would sign off in this, basically the long, the short of it is that CBS legal put a knife in that story, they basically picked up a big steak knife and jammed it straight through to the point where, you know, the point of the knife broke off in the floor, right? And this is all dramatized in the Michael Mann film The Insider from 1999. I've never seen it. It's fantastic. I mean, actually go see it. It's very good. I believe Russell Crowe is Wigand and Lowell Bergman is played by Al Pacino. I'll watch it on my phone. This is in between, is this right after, it may have been right, right around the time he did The Devil's Advocate when he played that like scene, that movie is awesome, but it's like, you know, he's, there's a little bit of, you know, that character and the

1:41:32favorite sit and like the detective that he plays in heat like that, like, bugline intensity is the one. The blind motherfucker too. Is that one movie? Which one? Am I crazy? Is that? He put, this is around the time that Insomnia came out, he was in that film too. I mean, it's like late. He had a hot streak in the middle. Scent of a woman. Yeah. Oh yeah. That is gotta be the true and non number one film The Scent of a Woman. It's amazing. Anyway. So this is like Tisha's crossover with Al Pacino and Al Pacino's like late career like Popeye. Late career. He's still going, dude. I know. He's still going. All right. Mid career. This is in the 1980s, 1990s. He's been going into this like mid 60s, right? I know. He's incredible. But this is like his, this is his mid career hot streak. Yeah. Heater after heater after heater. Well, so, okay. Lawrence Tish, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big rich guy. He's got a brother, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big rich guy. One of his brothers, kids, of course, Steve Tish. We talked about in a recent Epstein Files episode, The Owner of New York Giants.

1:42:34Oh yeah. The past that franchise around a bunch. Quite a Randy gentleman who decided to share many of those thoughts and his feelings about specific women and sex workers with one Jeffrey Epstein. Her father is James Tish. We talked about a big Zionist activist. There is a Tish family zoo in Israel, I believe. Yep. There's just, I mean, there's Tish shit fucking everywhere. This is a really rich family. And their money is all over politics too. And they have spread it quite evenly amongst Republican, right wing Democrats and Republicans. So okay, Jessica Tish is a little bit different than the rest of the Tish's. He's like, I'm going to dedicate myself to public service. And so you mentioned that little police nonprofit earlier, that couple of her uncles are on. Is that it? Yeah. Andrew, who we just mentioned, Alexander sit on the board. And Jessica Tish, after getting three degrees or maybe while getting three degrees at Harvard, which by the way, we don't give a fuck.

1:43:38We don't care. You got three degrees at Harvard. Guess what? I think you're a fucking loser. You spent, oh, I love going to school so much. You are a billionaire. You could just, someone to call and give you a job, which is precisely what happened. She gets a job non-uniformed with the NYPD, but she's not a police officer. No. She's an intelligence analyst. So she's an intelligence analyst. So here's, there's, you know, Leonard Levit, we mentioned him, may rest in peace, had a lot of people who's really wired into the department's command structure. And he spoke with somebody who was in the room when Ray Kelly got the call from either Andrew or Alexander Tish, allegedly. Jessica Tish has since claimed to the Wall Street Journal that, no, it was a quote unquote friend who made this call. Friend to your relatives? I would hope. I mean, that's a happy family, right? Anyhow. So the call is essentially, hey, Jessica wants to be a cop. Why don't you give her a job? So Ray picks her up and says, okay, why don't you work for the intelligence division?

1:44:39You have civilian analysts. You can, why don't you write up reports on, uh, al-Qaeda in the event. So she becomes an analyst on Islamic terrorism, speaking not one word of Arabic, Pashto, Erdo, or any affiliated languages. I don't know if she speaks Hebrew, but bottom line is she's supposedly analyzing terrorism and extremism in a culture and language that she has no fucking familiar. Or maybe she's just looking at the pictures. Probably. I mean, but here's, you also have to keep in mind that the NYPD's intelligence bureau around this time, this is like 2008, 2009, this is Ray Kelly's prime. This is when he's feeling himself as like New York City's Darth Vader. The intelligence division has the mosque-breaking program is in full flight. They come out with this, in 2007, they come out with this radicalization report, which describes like pathways to radicalization that's utter pseudoscience and has been completely

1:45:40debunked. But they're like, look, anybody can do this. All they need is like, it's just a little bit of a push from Islam and it's all focused on like, you know, jihadis al-office mentality. So the intelligence division is where she gets her start, it's where she makes her bones. By the early 2010s, I believe she's risen up to become a quote unquote, like planning commissioner in the intelligence division where she gets put on the domain awareness system project. So she becomes one of the people who's involved in mapping out the architecture of New York City's digital panopticon. So this is, this is what I find interesting about her because I've listened to and read quite a few interviews with her. That is kind of what she hangs her hat on. That's right. She is like, I built this out. I'm immensely proud of this system. She talked about how she still checks in on it and still checks in on the officers involved in it and she takes a like, well, I mean, this is, oh, they are just downstairs from her. I mean, she can take the elevator to the second floor and like pop in the room. I've been there.

1:46:41Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, you know, one would hope she's talking to her subordinates anyhow, but this is something that she's immensely proud of, which is these series of this lattice work of surveillance all across the five boroughs. But she doesn't, she's sort of seen as as Bratton's girl. Yes. Very much so because Bratton is a technophile. I mean, he loves this new intelligence driven policing model. So while he was at LAPD, LAPD are more, I've done a lot of reporting on different large-scale police departments and surveillance projects, right? The LAPD are, then YPD, they are pretty behind the curve, right? They're a slow department. They didn't get department-wide email until 2016 or 2017. Like, what? Yeah. It's not, they're, they're a big ship, they don't, they don't turn quick. Yeah. I mean, they also, 2016 is not, sorry, you can't use that metaphor to describe getting email, not getting email from 2016. It's like emerging from the dark ages. Yeah. Maybe that was a 2000 or something.

1:47:43So LAPD is more into like 20th century history. Anybody who wants to read about the LAPD read either Serverine's predicted surveil, Mike, Davis, the city of course, may he rest in peace and or Joe, Joe Demonix blew, which is a pretty good summary of like the Darrell Gates area. Or hop the fence at the fucking LAPD, police museum in Highland Park after hours and fuck around with them cars. That would be so, there's some pretty sick cars. Anyhow, the LAPD's super power military patterns themselves off the Marine Corps, their officers used to train at Camp Pendleton, they're just into blue sky shit and they have closer ties in with military and academic R&D. So I remember reporting on like their quote unquote, predictive policing programs where they partnered with academics at UCLA to take repurposed Pentagon funded, casualty research, battlefield, casualty prediction software and use it to try and predict where crime was. And then they laundered and said, oh, this is real, actually earthquake prediction, you

1:48:44know. Albums. Yeah. Earthquake predict earthquakes. Yeah. I mean, the grant documents don't lie. Yeah. LAPD's very invested in high surveillance technology and Bratton brought that focus to the NYPD when he figured out that there was a rudimentary citywide surveillance center that had been that wasn't rudimentary, but like he saw the bones of it and was like, oh, this can be so much more. He puts Tish on it and she partners with the Department of Homeland Security and uses that funding to really beef up its infrastructure and streamline its feed to officers. So she also is in charge of the Department-wide initiative to go to cell phones for officers, to go to smartphones and give every cop in the city a smartphone. Preloaded with Candy Crush? Preloaded? Yeah, probably. And Tic-Toc. This was what? I mean, this was before Tic-Toc. This is in the mid-20 times. No, they had access to Tic-Toc style technology. Oh, they had that advanced before. They had short-term vertical video long before the rest of society did.

1:49:48Yeah. It's such a trip. So in 2014, she transfers over to the Department of Information Technology and she's a deputy commissioner. So she's making pretty big purchasing decisions. And she decides against every single procurement expert in the NYPD and anybody who'd done market research into smartphones to spend $160 million of taxpayer money in 2016 to purchase 35,000 Windows phones. What are Windows phones? Exactly. From the run Windows phones. Microsoft made a smartphone that was supposed to operate on a mobile client of Windows. And I think it was bricked within maybe 18 months. I'm bricked just talking about it. Oh, yeah, these look really good. These look like really good deals. No, I read that in your piece and I was like, what the fuck?

1:50:48I looked it up and I'm like, these things, I cannot. That was a good business decision to be like, guys, we can't do this. We're not doing this. Why me? I couldn't do it. Because once they got the phones, Windows was like, I mean, no, you mean for Microsoft, you'd be like, yeah, let's discontinue these things. Yeah, Microsoft, we're pulling back. Yeah. So the NYPD's left with tens of thousands of useless smartphones and then they have to return them. They got them back at cost and then they all go to iPhones. But the bottom line is that to me indicates, and like the line cops who I spoke to are like, yeah, they took my fucking memo book and they gave me a phone that doesn't work. Like, I've never seen this thing. This is a clunky cell phone ever helped in my fucking life. Anyhow, that's kind of her record as a administrator and a technocrat, right? And then she's put into, you know, she goes into the, after, I think it's under Adams, she gets moved over from the Department of Information, the Department of Sanitation to clean up the streets and her big innovation is something that the city tried to do for

1:51:52a long time, which is putting the trash and trash cans. You know, and I've come out against that. Oh, you prefer the plastic, do you really have a, are you an animal rights guy? Do you want more rats? No, I litter. I don't, there's no trash in my home, the fuck big style you live in, but you know, a lot of people talk about how after, of course, French Revolution, they sort of, they remade the city of Paris, these wider boulevards that made it harder to create barricades and things like this. Clearly, they've stopped rioting. Yes, but I view the trash can thing as quite similar because I think some of our most natural barricades here for revolutionary situation are the giant piles of fucking trash that line the sidewalks everywhere, unlike any city I've ever been to in the United States. And I looked into this a long time before I lived here and I was like, why is it that New York is just like, we just put it on the street. There's no good reason. And I've seen reasons, that's any good ones.

1:52:55And so she moved towards containerization. I will say the speaking of containerization. There's obviously a touch of neurodevergency this woman, you don't have to agree with me. I'm just saying as somebody who is one of the most accomplished analysts of human beings in human history, but also open-minded, there is something about her that likes technocratic solutions to things or she likes fiddling with things she likes numbers, she likes new technology. And to her, a lifelong New Yorker, I presume, when she saw a garbage can, she was like, this is a mate, this is like the Windows phone. This is crazy new technology they invented. We should have kept her in the shit department. We should have kept her at Department of Sanitation because she seemed like she was having a blast there. I listened to an interview with her, horrible, slavish interview by some fucking city group in Manhattan. You're so amazing, Jessica, you're so amazing. But when she talked about the Department of Sanitation and what she did there, she, for the first time in the interview, in the only time in the interview, I heard something

1:53:56like joy in her. And I want women to be happy so badly that I think I might hurt somebody. And Jessica, you need to fucking resign and get in the Department of Sanitation. We need you back there because she was really happy about the centennialization. She was really happy. I don't know what kind of container it is, but it's going to get a lot of use in Docker. But she's really happy about the garbage cans and we need to put you back in garbage can. We need to put you back in garbage can. She still gets the rat report. Yeah, I mean, the rats, the rat population has gone down since that encompassed. I mean, that to me was one of the biggest things that you take away the food. But the bottom line is when she gets moved back into the police department, people who are, you know, it's seen as a couple of things. One, Adams is making nice with Hocal because Hocal is terrified of the Tish family's money. And they spend them and keep in mind, Jessica's mother is the head of the state University of New York system, right? And she was the former chancellor huge charter school advocate and that should tell you everything

1:54:58you want to know. She was the head of the New York State Board of Regents, which runs the states and education system from 2009 to 2015 and really opened up a lot of room for charter schools to move in and, you know, got public education. It is really funny that like this family just does every single thing that rich people do on board of all museum, control university system, friends of Jeffrey Epstein control public school system. Donate to Israel and run police. It's like, okay, great. It's almost a caricature. It's like, it's really if you get a rich family, you can just do anything. But so she's like put in Hocal, put in excuse me, Hocal is like you need to put in this wonderful. Yeah, Hocal's a huge backer of Jessica Tish and here's another thing, Tish has clearly been groomed by her family to run for office. She's never run for office, but she will run for office one day. She's built the resume for it and I mean, she has the charisma of a wet paper bag. She's not going to win elections based on that.

1:56:00It's going to be on her resume. Some of my most delicious lunches have come from what paper bags and in the rain, sometimes they get wet. The, here's the thing. I think is going to happen. Maybe I'm jumping the gun a little bit on this. I think she's either going to run against Oran in term two or she's going to run for governor. If you don't think that this woman is going to run for fucking office, you are out of your mind. Every time she's asked about it, she says, I'm a public servant. I'm here to be a public servant. People are like, oh, well, why not like, why isn't it? There's so many stories that are like, isn't it interesting that this rich woman who could do anything she wants just became a, she's like, wants to become police commissioner? Isn't that quirky little, her like special interest in being the police commissioner in New York City? Yes, it's because we all, people don't, she can't, she doesn't have Bloomberg's immense charm or business acumen. It's because she's building up a resume in order to run for higher office and connections and favors. Yes, that is absolutely what's happening here.

1:57:00I want to, I want to talk real quick because also, also, to be fair, well, I don't know fair, but just to mention something, you talked about overtime earlier. Oh, yeah. I'm a, as long time listeners will know, they call me Daddy Doggie because I came up with many of the programs that Doggie would seek to enact during their time cutting programs. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, we need to save money. We need to stop overtime and I look at the top OT fucking taker outters of basically any city and it's always the police and listen, I love the police. I could see in another life that I, in fact, invented new kind of police that keeps people even safer. I'm all about CPR. However, these fucking leeches in the system are taking astronomical amounts in overtime. I mean, really, it's there, the overtime that NYPD gets is probably higher than the budget of most cities in the United States of America.

1:58:00It is $1.1 billion last year. Sorry, the NYPD took $1.1 billion in overtime last year. That's right. So there seems to me, maybe some abuse that's happening here. Yeah. I mean, there's, there are federal investigations into the head of, for instance, the aviation unit, the helicopter unit who was falsifying overtime sheets and was very clearly caught doing such. There's the scandal involving Jeffrey Madry and the, it wasn't just one detective, by the way. The news found other women who claimed that he had been paying them off with overtime. There were officers who were rumored to be in romantic relationships with other commanders or the children of someone affiliated with that commander who were getting overtime. Adult children. Correct, yeah. Adult children who are on the job and just the ways in which, and also there's another thing too. Keep in mind that overtime budgets are oftentimes filled with federal grant money, right?

1:59:03There's a counterterrorism. They're earmarked, restricted grant funds that the feds give to police departments for those funds. I have sources in the NYPD who have shown me the item, their overtime cards and the forms that their precinct commanders are using to pay for these mobile field forces, which are surges of cops, brought in over time to flood specific areas of the city deemed quote, unquote, high crime. Typically, they do this on the train, right? And it's pissed cops off their hour. Their hours are getting extended. They fucking hate it. This is something that Tish and Hocal have had them on for a while. It shows, and they're all doing fair beating. They're not actually looking at people committing offenses in the subway. They're not riding the rails. That's not what those mobile field forces are. Exactly. They're just parked out in there. And if you look at the rates of crime in the train and on the transit system in the past two years, you will see that the series of fences have gone up. So the sub-flooding in the subway doesn't really fucking work in the way they're doing it. Back to the overtime card issue. All in those cards, you can see that the funds that are taught to apply for, the boxes

2:00:05that they're checking for the funding source, are federal counter-terrorism grants. They're basically committing overtime fraud on that. They're using the restricted fund to fund normal patrol. That is currently happening. That has happened under Tish. Well, Tish is the whole thing. She's saying, I'm cracking down an overtime abuse. If she's leading, she's telling precinct commanders to do that in order to staff up their patrols and pay for people. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it seems like she, I feel like just wants to be accepted, right? I mean, she comes from outside of the government, totally. Totally. She's not part of the culture. She's a billionaire. The NYPD is not very Jewish. No. Let's just put it like that. There are Jews in the police department, and she has promoted a number, an eye-catching number of Jewish cops to high positions, including the current head of the intelligence division Rebecca Weiner, who has been staying like that. Sergeant Weiner, Lieutenant Weiner, Detective Weiner, anyway, you know, I don't, I don't

2:01:07make it home. I just report them. Anyway, the bottom line is that the intelligence division now is currently, they've been banging the alarm about, you know, anti-ice protests, fomenting violence against cops. They've been banging, you know, creating a bad atmosphere. They've been banging the alarm about Iran attacking sites in New York. I mean, they whip up every sort of right wing conspiracy theory. And what I find interesting is that when they say, oh, no, we don't just do right wingers or Islam or like student protests, we really worried about all sides because they try and pretend like they're, they investigate far-right folks. They will go online and they'll find the craziest person on like, you know, whatever form is the successor for Iron March, message with them, and then we'll go and get them to say some crazy shit or induce them into showing them the gun or like, hey, here's a plot and so on. That PD did this. If the guy arrested was in Texas, bro, he had nothing to do in New York City and what you're, you're like, because you're caffishing people online who are admittedly crazy.

2:02:07This is how you're justifying your city funding. This is what the feds do. It's duplicative. Inextremist. I just, just, I mean, just as a little devil's advocate Al Pacino here, obviously like the federal entrapment of like crazy people to be like terrorists, whether they're far-right, far-left, Muslim, whatever, like, you know, this is a classic thing that they do is they get somebody who is crazy and they're like, buy a gun and kill people and I'll fuck you or whatever. And like, people go, yeah, yeah, read siege. It must accept the light of Islam. I will say that must be an awesome job. You know what I mean? Just like texting. Like, dude, check it out. I want to text this guy. Dude, you're so hot. You should hurt your family and you're just like, I mean, it would be, I'm not saying I would do it, but I'm like saying other people that do, I think it's bad that it's done, but those guys must be having a blast. You know what I mean? I love Hitler, bro. It's so good to talk to you. I love Hitler. You seem so lonely. I'm friends with a million Nazis and you can come hang out with us.

2:03:09You just gotta kill a few people. You know what I mean? I mean, just saying, it seems like it would be a blast to do. So Jessica Tish, Jessica Tish, Jessica Tish, there was a mayor election here last year. That's right. Zoran Mamdani ran against Andrew Cuomo. Now, of course goes without saying that Jessica Tish's family were heavy donors to Andrew Cuomo, millions of dollars. One point three million dollars of donations from half a dozen members of her family to Andrew Cuomo affiliated super PACs. I believe those are the super PACs that circulated the images of Zoran Mamdani with his skin like darkened. He was more... They made him browner and scarier and the beard was busier than it really is. So they donated one point three million dollars of their money to that. Jessica did not donate, but her mother donated half a million dollars. Interesting. To that. I'm sure that there was no conversations that occurred in that family. Yeah. It was... I mean, he's openly pro-Palestinian. He's against the genocides. He's against the occupation and I mean, I don't think you could...

2:04:14The Tish's are like kind of the part of the bedrock of the Israel lobby in the United States, right? That's not... That's an objective state. It's true. Yeah, it's literally true. That's their history. And the tension there, part of the thing is that this is talking about the Israel lobby in New York City for a long time and how it interlays with the police department, with the developer lobby, with the nonprofits that funnel money from the city and the real estate industry here, back to settlements in the West Bank and to certain organizations, certain heavily, heavily conservative reactionary organizations in Israel. That's just a third rail and it's really hard to have those conversations because sooner later you run to somebody with money who has influence over your nonprofit, Newtons, rumors, or so on, and they throw a spanner when you publish a story about those organizations and their role in the occupation or funding like illegal settlements or things like that.

2:05:15It is just... It was an interesting election because in a Zoran kind of came out as just focusing on the city, right? Like you wanted to make it affordable and safe, but the two things that he was I guess weak on, or at least open to getting hit on, were the Palestine stuff, although it turned out not to be a weakness, even though he didn't run on it sort of ironically. Interesting. I think if he'd done that maybe a year earlier, if it had been earlier in the genocide, I think that public opinion has completely forgotten three years ago, and I think people were really sick of the Israel shit. I think that really, even though he didn't run on that, he was really associated with it. Very much so. It wasn't a weakness at all. No, but yeah, true, but it was a thing that he was attacked on a lot, so actually it was a strength, but the weakness would be the policing stuff. A lot of left-wing candidates have suffered in this regard because there was a moment in 2020 when people who have otherwise social democratic politics, like Zoran Mamdani

2:06:19does, it's not a radical, adopted positions that were more, let's say anarchists inflected, like abolition of police or abolition of police presence. I don't know if Zoran was like an abolished the police guy, he was heavily critical of them, but he said the cops are racist, they're trying to Israel, they're bigoted, they're homophobic. All true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it became one of those things where a lot of these guys kind of had to walk back stuff, they said, maybe the heat of the moment in 2020. And Zoran sort of trying to run as a little bit more grown-up, a little bit more together, a little bit more whatever, he had to walk back some of those statements, and that was kind of on the first non-Israel-related sort of things that he had to deal with during the campaign. And he did. Kind of loves walking stuff back, but he was like, listen, I like the police, he flew back from Africa to meet with that family, that cop, that got killed.

2:07:21The one who was killed on the paid detail, he wasn't even killed on the job, he was getting killed, got killed on an overtime assignment. Believe me, you want police reform, you put brace belted in charge, here's your job. You are a cop, you take no other job. But all these fucking cops, San Francisco, it's the same thing. They fucking get, they're in their uniform, they're fucking paid mercenaries for whatever, whoever wants to hire them. In San Francisco, I believe, they actually get paid overtime to work in uniform when they're not at work, they're actually taking money from a private company. Can you believe how fucking ridiculous that is? The money is coming out of the city coffers to pay for these people to work their second job. And that's how that cop was shot over the summer, and I believe the lobby of the NFL building or whatever, by that gunman, they got the kid who had CTE. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this cop was paying, working at paid assignment, I think he had at least, he had a new kid and he had a baby. Yeah, I mean, actually, I don't have a problem with Zoran, like going to media this

2:08:22family. No, no, no, I mean, it's fine. But like, when he flew back, that was his, like, people, the media cast, this is like, oh, this is his big moment, and actually, it turned out to be, to his, I mean, the cop is, I believe, South Asian was a Bangladesh, or something like that. And the, you know, South Asian officers association, the Bangladeshi officers association, openly supported Mamdani. They said, look, you like this is our guy, and they were the one police association that did that. Sargent's Benevolent Association, all the lieutenant sergeants, captains, patrolman's Benevolent Association. They all came out against Mamdani, and for Adams, obviously, I mean, Adams was underwater at that point. And Linus, New York City of the sea. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he, he loved, he's a traveling man. That's his thing. International travel. He'll find in Lannis one day. Oh, guaranteed. He is. I would guarantee a lot of the places that Iran's hitting with missiles in the Gulf, Eric Adams and all of them, taking on the Patriot missiles. Yeah. What's funny though is that he doesn't go to Turkey anymore, because they kind of lost the use from people who used to ask me, they're like, why? So what is this? Why are, why were they, why are they driving with such cheap shit and it's like dumb ass?

2:09:25Do you not understand how you ran an empire for hundreds of years? You find the local moron, you give them a couple of glass beads and he'll do whatever you want. Exactly, exactly. That's what happened. That's what he did with them. It was even cheap. And for what? Like a building for fire code purposes. You wouldn't understand so stupid. You wouldn't understand. Anyhow. So Mamdani is interesting, because his, I saw this during the campaign that he's the first mayor in, I want to say, half a century to not run on public safety. I mean, he, his entire campaign, you know, there was talk about a community, say, you know, a non-police intervention agency, you know, violence interrupt your style agency to deal with the root cause of crime bubble, but by the way, his preliminary budget does not fund that department at all. He is still looking for a deputy mayor on it. We can, I can run down a couple other things about his administration right now, but, or later on, but the bottom line is he does not have a stance on policing. He does have a couple statements. He says, look, I think what, and when he's pressed on, he says what the NYPD did during

2:10:26the 2010s when they spied on 2020, so they surveilled every, like, Middle Eastern community in the city as a potential terror, you know, hotbed for terrorism. That's terrible. Okay. He says as much. He doesn't have any clear policy plans about the NYPD's intelligence division, releasing the files. By the way, there's a lawsuit that I reported on in December, filed by one of the guys who tried to get those records released. He's actually a New Jersey resident. He's not even in New York City, and his student association was surveilled by the NYPD in the 2010s. It will be, it's TBD as to whether Mamdani will see those records released, right? He talks about the strategic response group, says, yes, we should abolish that. Still, there are city council bills that are floated and kind of, that have been stomped on by the current speaker because he of the power to abolish them himself. He can order the police commissioner to get rid of the unit. And if she doesn't do what he wants, he can fire her. She's an at will employee of the mayor. So this is a question I have.

2:11:26He has a quote that says when people are asking because he kept Tish on and made that decision in October. Yeah. And it was kind of, it was a, I'll say this, a very controversial decision among supporters. People were really angry about that. Well, the NYPD, it's what's interesting, Grace, I'm sorry to interrupt, but like the NYPD are at, and I don't think people understand this, they are, the Eric Adams years left such a ridiculous, we bad taste in people's mouths about police corruption and graft, the shit that the newspapers were so lured, they're like, the NYPD is at a very interesting point. They're weaker than they've ever been politically in my lifetime since Amidu Diallo. Well, he's a quote where he said, the police commission will fall my lead because at the end of the day, I am the mayor. That sounds really, you know, that's, I'm telling how it is. I just want to remind you, I end a, appointed general Pina Shea, command of the army, the

2:12:28entire armed forces, like three months before that, that, that 11 of Chile happened. And so it's like, you know, I understand that he can say stuff like this, but like the reality is, okay, well, you, you're, you're, she'll follow your lead, but if you're not ordering her to do things like this, and you're actually following her lead, it seems like in many of these instances, am I wrong in the assessment? No, no, that's 100% accurate. I mean, the NYPD, if left alone, will govern itself. Yes. And they will fuck things up in the manner that we have, you know, gone over for the past hour in change, right? I mean, this isn't, if you, just focusing on the paid promotions, I mean, you know, what the fuck? You can't have people who are unqualified, serving as supervisors and commanders, because then that filters down to the patrol level, and sooner or later, there's a disaster than those of that, right? I mean, I'm sorry. This is, this is what I never understood about the fucking, about policing anywhere in America, that needs to say, anytime a cop gets fired or taken up for, for misconduct

2:13:29on the job, I'm like, you should be banned from any law enforcement work for the rest of your life. I'm sorry, paying for promotions at work. I mean, you're bribing. That's a felony. That's a felony. That's a felony charge. So you should be arrested, and like, I, you know, I know I joke around a lot in this show, but like, I think if you're invested, like, if, if you have, I'm serious, I'm just like, this is so surreal, you know, my brother, I am, I, people, I, maybe I joke about this, but I am a law and order individual. And you know where it starts, it starts at home, and every police department of every city I've lived in, it's just like, it's this blatant corruption where you are criminals. How am I supposed to, like, how am I, what am I supposed to say here? You're fucking, you're entire brass on tire, but a lot of these people at the top here are fucking pain to play. I mean, what is this? You know, it's, it's like a mafia. Oh, it totally is. And so mafia, it's they call it, you know, they call it in the, the rank and file called the white shirt mafia. Yeah. That's it.

2:14:29That's a little bit of a ripoff in the army. I mean, yeah, sure, for sure. So, you know, I, I think that line officer see this for what it is, and the problem with it, the department is that it will run itself. And if you don't, you know, he ran, it was a strategic decision in the campaign, and then people said, oh, you know, he'll have his own policy and so on when he comes in. And what happened during, after he won the primary, is that you saw all these de Blasio and Obama world people get close to him. And as we know, de Blasio didn't do a fucking thing about policing, right? Well, to lose to them. Well, I mean, I've lose on what, like he, from the beginning, he appointed Bill Braden as his police commissioner. Yeah, true. He didn't even make it. Like, there are, it's, these people are not, like, there are plenty of cops in the country who are not wedded to, like, quote, unquote, warrior mentality shit, like you've seen in Illinois and, you know, Minneapolis and Los Angeles with the feds. Which by the way, that's all 1980s, like, no knock warrant, swat style policing, just thrown onto the, into the immigration context, right?

2:15:32And you can find a progressive-minded police chief or prosecutor, those people exist, but the common, like, the, the group think that comes from, like, big D Dems now, after 2020, 2021, the post-George Floyd pushback on any sort of police reformer accountability is that, hey, don't touch those issues. They're radioactive. And Patrick Gaspar is one of his big advisors that's an Obama world dude, former ambassador to South Africa. I believe he ran, maybe it was an open society foundation or something like that. He was involved in a big liberal, you know, grant funder, maybe it was Ford. And it's quite clear that, oh, that the Mamdani position is we're going to leave policing alone and leave it to the police department and we're going to let the status quo sit and the status quo is fucked up. And the worst thing too is that when Adams left, he said all these sand traps for Mamdani. Like what? The CCRB, the civilian complaint review board, the independent oversight body for the NYPD, which doesn't have final word on authority. They do the investigations.

2:16:33They actually bring cases into the trial room, right? Daniel Panelay of the guy at the cop who choked out Eric Garner, the case against him was assembled by the CCRB, brought by a CCRB prosecutor. That's what led to his termination in 2019, right? What example the work they do. They were systematically underfunded, some of their border pointes, which the mayor gets to choose. He appointed, I believe, a New York, a New York post columnist to the board. And now, he's currently the interim chair of the fucking thing. And this guy has been overturning CCRB investigations and findings of misconduct against cops. He's been burying certain cases. He's been messing with the numbers and reducing their caseload and reducing certain findings to make the police department look good. This is a guy who Mamdani can fire to Mauro and he's not touched it. The NYPD's Inspector General, which does, it's under the City Department of Investigation, which has the power to do audits. They have the power to look into corruption. They're a bit of an outside watchdog that does have subpoena power to a certain extent,

2:17:38right? They can't prosecute things, but they can look into allegations of corruption. The Department of Investigation, by the way, is how Eric Adams got indicted. That's where that case started. It's a really powerful, almost city government that was reduced in size. The NYPD Inspector General right now, as it sits, has either one or zero people working for it. Wait. What do you mean one or zero people? It might be no one. There might be no one there because that office was hollowed out by Eric Adams and Mamdani's people haven't done anything about this. It is March. He won the primary in June. It was quite clear going through the fall that he was going to roll up the floor with Cuomo. He had months to prepare his entire transition for this moment, and public safety in New York City is central. And when it comes to the police department, the only thing police respect is your boot on their neck. If you show them there in charge, it's a paramilitary organization. That's what they respect. Command. They don't consent this and so on.

2:18:38No, you show them what the direction is from the top. If the direction comes from somebody whose family is very openly cultivating her as a political figure and who's throwing billions of dollars, millions of dollars around the political system. Their name is all over the city. Has an understanding of department and culture and is such a bad mismanager that during the fucking blizzard a couple weeks ago, she changed up the mobile field forces for the cops. The cops who are supposed to come into the city from wherever they are on overtime, thousands of cops on the evening of the blizzard. She changed and we knew that for four days that that storm was going to hit six hours before that shift notice came in. Some of those cops were asleep. So of course they didn't show up for work and thousands of cops did not show up for work that day on shift, which I think maybe one of the reasons why that snowball fight got so much news. Interesting. Shiny dime, just like Epstein's wore. I think that the defense that I've heard of this is that he doesn't think he has

2:19:43a political capital to start a war with the NYPD because people sort of point to big birds problems with them during his rule. And Di Blasio, I think, they had, famously they turned his back to him. They arrested his daughter, put her in the New York Post. During the 2020 Rebellion, yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I can understand that to an extent, right? Well, I can understand the logic behind that. That's coming from people sort of guessing why he's doing these things. That's not actually coming from him himself. So again, like we're all guessing here, but it seems to me that he has somebody at the top of one of the most important positions in his executive administration, who is his political enemy, his ideological enemy, his ideological enemy, somebody who will use whatever she's doing as a large pad for her own political career, which I think is coming up. And that might be very well be against Zor on himself.

2:20:44And her brother last December called Mamdani, the enemy of the Jewish people, Benjamin Tish, the CEO of the Lowes Corporation at the dinner of a Jewish non-profit, anti-poverty non-profit that he runs, a week after Mark Rowan, the, you know, I think the co-founder of Apollo Global Management or whatever it is, you know, Leon Black's firm said the same thing about Mamdani at another Jewish anti-poverty charity. And I'm sorry, like that's, and the apology that Tish made was private, and then her public statement was like, I understand the fear amongst some Jewish New Yorkers. What fear? That there's a brown man as mayor? Well, yeah, I mean, let's be honest, that is, yes, that's very scary, and then she proceeds to, you know, last summer, she goes on Sid Rosenberg's radio show. And let's just talk. This Rosenberg issue was like, it's right now, it's probably happening again. Who is Sid Rosenberg for those who don't know? He looks like a lobster.

2:21:44I think he's beautiful. He's beautiful. I think he's a beautiful man. How does he get to be that, like, shade? It's not even red. It's like deep, like, crimson. It is, because he's embarrassed. He's embarrassed. I guess. So he's like a hate-monger basically. He is, he is. He's like a shock-shock. Yeah, he's like a shock-shock, basically. And she wanted a show, and then didn't she just get dinner with him maybe last week? No, last month. She had dinner with him. So on his show, last summer, it was Tish and Jonathan Schell, you know, this former number two in the department who has been photographed with Trump at his golf course many times. And on the show, I believe Rosenberg said something like, oh, first amendment rights, what the fuck is that? You know, I believe these people should be punched in the face. They don't get first amendment. If you criticize the NYPD, you deserve to go to prison. That sounds like it sounds more like Israel than it does America. I'm sorry. Anyhow, and you know, Tish is there and she's like, Kathleen, she's like, you said that

2:22:48not us. That was her direct response. There's footage of it. And you can see her smiling and laughing and Schell is just sitting there, like, you know, he's kind of like Shrek. He looks like a dumb Shrek. Well, Shrek was dumb. Oh, that's not very nice. What, Nate? Take that and multiply it. Anyhow, so she, you know, Rosenberg and her have dinner at some place on the east side and he photographs and is like, oh, this is great. And he'd said, he'd called Mamdani a terrorist sympathizer prior to that and said, oh, he hates America. He probably celebrated 9-11 when Mamdani was like, like, elementary school, right? And then last week, he posted, Rosenberg makes his post on social media where he called me. He does this a lot of other things. He's like, some pleaded Donald Trump, and then calls Mamdani a cockroach. Yeah. And, you know, maybe, I don't know why it took so fucking long for this to happen. But finally, there was, and Mamdani got out there and said, this is ridiculous. And there was a huge cry about this. And Rosenberg was like, oh, what did I do? I didn't do anything wrong.

2:23:48This is censorship. Yeah. There's a hate speech, you know? Islamophobia is like the one bipartisan form of bigotry that's accepted in the United States. That's the funny thing. It's like, yeah, imagine saying, you know, anything that Randy Fein said about, well, I don't really have the race. But like, you know, like, any of these guys, like, imagine, he said, yeah, imagine Sid Rosenberg said about Jewish people. He would be strapped onto a SpaceX rocket and send to orbit. Exactly. Yeah. And she's like, out to, this is what I'm saying, it's like, you have somebody, it's not just that like, it's not just that you have a police commissioner who is like, loves the police or whatever. You have a police commissioner who is in bed with all of your enemies, all related to a guy who's calling you, and he's like, basically calling you curbels. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Who is, who is cheating up support against you. And it's like, okay, what the fuck are we doing here, you know? I honestly think that this, this is part of my view on this, and as somebody who's, you

2:24:48know, my mother's Turkish on my roots are in the middle of that, on that side of my family in my roots in the middle east on this side, they've been in the country for a long time. And you know, it's this whole trope, like on September 11, I remember one of my history teachers stopping me in the hall and saying, listen, man, you stopped me in this Pakistani kid. I was like, you guys are going to hear a lot of crazy shit, like, as things are going for it. And I was here in New York City and Manhattan on that 11. And it's this whole trope of like the angry Arab, right? You can't be an angry Middle Eastern. You can't, same thing as like, you couldn't be an angry black man. You had to turn your other fucking, you had to turn the other cheek when people racially abuse you and you can't be that you can't get up on your hind legs. You can't hit somebody back. You can't call them mother fucker. You can't call them a bigot. Because then they're like, oh, look at you, huh? You know, you're just like that. Oh, you're scary. You know, you're going to scare polite society. And I think, you know, I don't, I think mom's auntie has, has intended, has intentionally set out to be a positive figure. And I respect him for that.

2:25:49But at some point, you have to hit people back. Yeah. It's New York City. If someone shoves you on the street, you shove them back. Yeah. And if you're leading New York City and your people can see you being pushed around, they're not going to respect you for that. So I think him getting out and pushing back on Rosenberg is one thing. But he does have to be a stronger executive. It is very, and Titus is also on a policy level. She said she will not get rid of the SRG. She has said that publicly. She has publicly, many times stated with no factual basis that the raise the age law that, you know, allowed that made you an eligible for felonies was responsible for a pandemic or a crime surge in New York City zero evidence to that, right? It's been studied thoroughly, but she continues to state as much. I think that, you know, he's going to, you know, whether his advisors think it's good politics or not, whether or not Morris Katz is like calling or L. Bizgar church or like calling shots for him on this.

2:26:52I think that he, this is part of a deeper tension in Mamdani's administration and his morality, whereby like he's connected to an international audience. He clearly has, you know, fans all over the world, all over the country, people in the city. Love him. It's great. Yeah. But at the same time, there are very core tensions between him and longstanding New York city populations, right? And his, if he neglects the police department, it is going to hurt him. I will tell you, there's things that you look at when you do, you know, accountability reporting about law enforcement, you look at like certain indicators that show whether a system is working well or is not working well. The complaints against the police officers, that's one of the baseline statistics to show whether the public is happy with the police department, they're pissed off. Complaints for the past three years are the highest they've been since the height of the stop and frisk era, where more than seven, almost 700,000 people, mostly black and brown

2:27:54New Yorkers were stopped and frisked by the cops. The stop and frisk numbers are rising, even though they are under the NYPD since 2013 has been under a federal court's oversight for their stop and frisk program. They are not reporting an estimated 30% of all stops and there's almost no discipline for people for cops who commit unconstitutional stops and searches. And I'm not, you know, that's abuse of authority, stop and frisk. These are all leading causes of the complaints. If the complaints are the highest that they've been last year since 2012, something is really fucking wrong and you cannot ignore it. I don't think that there's a way that you can go out of the culture of just complete criminality that was at all over the police department during the Adams, it's obviously before that as well. But really, really rose during the Adams years and just be like, I'm going to put that off for later. I mean, there is a mafia that is essentially running large parts of New York, it's the New York police department. And also there's the worst thing is this, New York is too big and too crazy a city for

2:28:58you to ignore policing as sooner or later, something bad is going to happen. There were three officer involved shootings, at least three in the first two months of the years, two of them were fatal. One of them, I believe this, no, no, no, sorry, one of them was fatal to them or not and one of them involved a young Bangladeshi kid who was in a mental health crisis. In fact, all three shootings involved people in mental health crises, right? Something that is on Mamdani wants to address allegedly, whether or not you have cops show up as first responders to incidents where there's somebody in mental distress, but in all three of these cases, the person who was shot was armed with either a bee broken piece of ceramic or a knife or an imitation gun in one case of this guy who's shot in the West Village. And it's just a matter of time before you are going to have a crisis of legitimacy with the police department over a use of force, incident or over a corruption scandal or over a sexual assault scandal or something like that.

2:29:58And you can't let the police department run itself. That never works. So I don't know what the strategy is, but a lot of this, I think, has to do with the attention on big wins and it's just, it's very apparent now going to month three with a ton of significant seats in the administration open that like the inexperience of the Mamdani team is really starting to show and on policing. That's a dangerous thing. Yeah. Yeah. I wish I had something more positive to say about it, but they should make you the police commissioner. Fuck no. No, no, they should do. This is, they need to make a doggy for fucking New York. Doge? Yeah. No, it's a picture of a dog. Doggy. Oh, that's right. This is your thing. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, what do they add up? You know what I mean? I mean, let me go in there and be like, no, you're fired to so many people. Here's the thing about cops.

2:30:59They will not, if you try and buddy up to them and power along and you're not part of the culture you haven't come up through there, they don't respect you because they see you as a brown nosier. What if I give them a bump? They'll love you. Yeah. They'll love you. They don't respect you if you don't like, and if you're critical for them from the outside, but you're critical, you're critical to the institution with an understanding of what it is and how it works. First off, as a reporter, tons of cops talk to me because I've reported on their department on their supporters on the way that shit flows downhill in these paramilitary organizations as the way that they do or don't accomplish the mission of public safety. I've done this for almost for over 20 years now. And the mistake that I see happening again and again with reporters and politicians is that they think if you cozy up to this institution, things will be all right and that you'll get along, but the base problem does not get fixed. And by the way, policing in American society is just like, it's a Swiss Army knife that's used to address too many fucking problems. It's not the right tool. That's a broader story about austerity and neoliberal politics and the reduction of

2:32:02the social safety net. That's a, that is the backdrop amidst all this shit. And again, it's just like, it's like Groundhog Day reporting on law enforcement because you see the same mistakes made in like, you're seeing it right now on the federal level with DHS and the discussions that are being made over quote unquote reforming DHS and giving them additional training and making sure they're better trained. Look, I'll tell you, I'm looking at the units that were at the fuck their tip of the spear for the immigration sweeps. They do not need any more training. They're very well trained. These are people who have done nothing else, but be soldiers and paramilitaries for their whole fucking adult lives. They move exactly like our units did when you were doing a night raid in Fallujah or Ramallah or a Kabul or the Korangal Valley, right? It's the same. And there are tons of money goes into the carceral apparatus to the state, to the repressive apparatus to the armed wings of the state. That's not the fucking issue. It's why you're using police to address things like homelessness.

2:33:05It's why you're using, you know, tactical units designed to fight cartels to round up gardeners and roofers who don't have papers in the middle of a city. These are bigger issues and like thinking about it in these politically safe ways is just the same warmed over garbage that we've been receiving for the past 35, 40 years. And, you know, I don't have membership in a political party. I don't describe to it. I'm not a member of the DSA. I wish them the best. I wish Mamdani the best as a mayor of New York City. I'd love to see him be a good mayor. We haven't had a good mayor since David Dinkins and he was overturned. He was overturned by a cop riot in 1993 when the cops flipped out about having a, about the creation of the civilian police board review boards increased authority, right? There was a riot of thousands of drunk cops in front of City Hall. It was insane. Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, your listeners should just look up the photos from that day. It's psychotic.

2:34:06It's crazy. That's what we're talking about here. It's a police department that wants, it's an agency that we will not respect you unless you show it that you're in charge, so. And you can't do that by just charm. I think that I'm, I'm Donnie knows that he is, he's quite a bit of charm. He can charm people. He loves the camera. He loves the camera, but people also, you know, I, you know, I've met him before. He's, he's, he's a very personable guy. And he's very smart. I don't think that he doesn't pay attention to this. No, no, absolutely. But in some areas, you need to show strength. Yeah. You can't just get by on fucking, you know, just, just by charisma alone. Like you, you really, I think, I think that there's, I don't think maybe, I don't know what the strategy is. He thinks that maybe he can like, charm, tish into what, doing what he says, he's like, what is he, what is he even telling her to do? Like it's, it's, I think it's, it's, the longer this goes on, I think the more he's

2:35:10setting himself up for failure in this, 1000%, 1000%, also, this is the first chance that New York City progressives, anybody who's right of like, I don't know, Robert Murdock or Donald Trump has to, or Vicky Paladino for that matter, New York City's own, like, I don't know, she's just, like, such a wild, wild bigot. Well, I know, but so much of, so, but so much of Queen's is, and that, but so much of her tweets is, it's her son. Yeah, but she says that shit too. Yeah, she says that shit too. I mean, but anyway, my point is that there's a lot of New York that has been thoroughly dissatisfied with the cops. I remember in our, one of the meetings that we had to sell writers our first book, one of the editors from a pretty major publishing house is like, it's New York City. Everybody here hates the fucking cops, you know, it's white, wealthy, you know, older female editor. And there's just, this is the first chance in God, 30 plus years to actually rectify some

2:36:12of the sins of the past. And as we've gone over, like, the wreckage from the Adams years is spectacular. And I'm sorry, you do have to do some remedial work. You do have to have a plan for rectifying that police department and moving it in a different direction. Also, we haven't even talked about the fact that they've been collaborating with ICE and passing information on about, you know, students involved who, one girl who's in detention proceedings, who's in removal proceedings right now, believe she's not in detention. She was detained for, by the cops, by the NYPD, for posting a flyer about the genocide in a Barnard dorm and the cops booked her and gave her a DAT, a desk appearance ticket. And that's the information that Homeland Security used to place her in removal proceedings. Interesting. I didn't know that. Yeah. You can say how chung. Good God, man. Yeah, it's just, listen, we could go on for hours. Yes, we could. I want to end this on, what do you think if you were the mayor? What would you do? I'd fire Tish tomorrow. I would search for a police commissioner who believes in policing in a constitutional way

2:37:21who has a track record of trying to rectify some of the, I mean, stop and frisk is not a New York City problem. Police departments have had those issues beforehand, who believes in alternatives to incarceration, not as in abolitionist, no police chief is an abolitionist, but there are people who believe in different programs and different approaches to things. And cities like Oakland have succeeded in slashing their violent crime rates by, by using a combination of targeted enforcement and nontraditional intervention and diversion programs. New York City is really fucking safe right now. Doesn't mean it'll change, doesn't mean that, you know, I think anybody who gets shot or robbed or, you know, abused, beaten up rate, that's obviously one too many, right? But at the same time, there is no plan on public safety right now from city hall. They've not articulated it. The budget doesn't show anything different than the status quo. You have to sit down and brainstorm it and you can't do it with the Blasio people.

2:38:24You can't do it with Obama people. You can't do it with Adams people. You have to look outside New York City and part of the problem with civil service here is that we kind of recycle the same cast of people. And the NYPD, if run by insiders, will be run the exact same fucking way. Who knows? I mean, maybe it's time. I don't think that there's, I mean, they could be time for like a mall and style commission. Maybe you should convene that or look at, talk to some of the people from the Dinkins administration or the Ed College administration. There are still folks around who did that who were around when the mall and commission went over that really intense layered corruption in the NYPD. It's not that now. It's graphed. It's straight up graphed off, you know, off the public dime. And that does need to be dealt with because the police department, I mean, their budget is allowed. If you look at the pension obligations too in the capital budget, it's $11 billion. Well, I'm saying we have a $5 billion budget short fall. Why do the cops need a mounted unit? How much does a mounted unit cost, you know? Don't get me. I think Sam was just going to take care of its mounted unit and actually they let you

2:39:26kill the horses. They have a glue factory there, right? Did you work there? Is that what happened? It was a lottery style situation. Is it the back room at anchor steam? Yeah. I mean, look, it's just like the actual financial implications of leaving the police department to its own devices are pretty grievous. I'm a fiscal conservative. I'd fully agree. This is why I don't like them. I'm like, there's too much money being spent on two little service. Yeah. I mean, it's fair and that's, we haven't even talked about like the physical standards of the police department. Oh, I think you have to run. What physical standards of the police department? I saw a cop get out of a car. I get out of a cruise with the other day. Their bulletproof vest, they were so fat, their bulletproof vest was like at their sternum. And it's like the bottom of it, mind you. And I kiss. I get around three times, but some fucking, you know, five foot two cop, some maybe grossly overweight cop. I commit a crime in front of you. How does that want to do? Well, are you going to, you're going to chase me? You're going to grab me? No, you're going to pull out that piece because you can't do shit because you're fucking

2:40:29five, too. Yeah, you're scared. You're scared. So you're going to go to your weapon and not just that. They're hiring people. They're waving people through to get numbers. And the younger recruits, I mean, there are three cops arrested in the past six months for rape, sexual assault that I know, I want the top of my head. And then there's other shit too that they do. They cover up for these others DUIs. There's a sergeant who worked for the number two Michael LePetry, her name's Tiffany Hall. She was at a, she's part of something called the Holy Name Society that like a Catholic, you know, officer's society. They held a cigar social at a lounge, I believe in West, I don't think it was in Scarcel, but it was in Westchester County. She's there. She's listed as one of the co-hosts on the Facebook page. She's photographed there. She is sourced at the party. I mean, it's an open bar in cigar. These guys are just getting loaded. I don't know why they have my PD love cigars. They love cigars. It's just a weird thing. Why is that? I just know why. Okay. Because it's a certain kind of guy. I hate cigars.

2:41:30They're disgusting. They're bad. And I love a cigarette, but a cigar, I don't like them so much. And so I, but you know, if you like a cigar, that's all good. So she's a co-host of this thing. She's fucking drunk as a skunk. She gets into her car and drives home. She lives 50 miles away. She drives up an exit ramp onto the Teconic State Parkway, which there's no median on the Teconic. And there's some pretty tight turns up there. She's driving the wrong way on the Teconic, slams into, and she, by the way, is going the wrong way. She slams into a dormant who's driving south in a Manhattan for work, kills him. She refuses to blow, or she refuses to breathalyze at the scene so they draw her blood, right? And she's suspended on scene by the duty captain. Somebody higher up in the department calls the duty inspector, the commander for the evening. And there's tons of NYPD at the scene of the crash. Someone in the department calls the duty inspector and rescinds her suspension. The next day, she puts in papers for her retirement and her pension.

2:42:34And then, you know, a couple days later, the suspension, the, she withdraws. Was that information? She's like, oh, yeah, I'm not going to do that. Within a week, the test comes back. She's over her blood alcohol content was over three times the legal limit. Okay, but they said that thing really low. Yeah, I mean, it was 0.24. Yeah, well, she also killed someone. She killed someone. And in New York State, if there is a DUI with a fatality, there's a fatality accident. And there's a possibility of alcohol being involved. That's an arrest, right? And you sort it out. So she ended up catching a case last week for homicide. There's open questions about why that took so long to happen and what was going on the night of. But there are, there's another case now in criminal court Manhattan, where two cops, two younger cops were involved. They pulled over another cop. He shows them his bad. He's wildly inebriated and they let him drive off from a scene of, you know, the scene of the stop on to the West Side Highway.

2:43:35They're facing criminal charges for that. I mean, it's just that culture of like doing favors to people, parking in the wrong spot. These little bits of corruption, they like work up to something like that where this woman, how, who knows how many times she's driven out like that beforehand and now someone's dead over it? Yeah. You know, and again, it may seem like nothing, it may seem unconnected. But realistically, this is an organization that develops, that has its own culture, that imprints itself, imprints itself on generations of cops, right? And when the culture is that rotten, you can't leave it alone. That's our Bill Cosby, ladies and gentlemen, let's just, let's end it out here. Ali Winston, thank you for coming on the show. That's Ali Winston, investigative reporter. And yeah, I'm, let's just fucking end it. My name is Brace Belden, of course, joined as always by producer Young Chomsky. I'm Liz, and this has been Trunon, we will see you next time. Bye-bye.