Episode 260 | Lethal Farce

0:00M-S-W-Media So yeah, now it's clean up on aisle 45 time and for a long while, yeah, it is going to be clean up on aisle 45. Hey everybody, welcome to episode 260 of Clean Up on aisle 45. It's Wednesday, January 15th, 2026. I'm Allison Gill. What's up, A.G.? It's Harry Dunn here. All right. We got a lot to cover today, including thank goodness the Senate voting by unanimous consent to display the January 6th plaque. Woohoo. Woohoo. Only three years later, all those three years later, after it was legally mandated by law. And the Donald Trump, of course, seeking $6.2 million in attorney fees and costs over the Fulton County prosecution against him. Okay. All right. Plus we've more blood. Here we have an insurrectionist running for office in Florida. We'll talk about that. He's certainly not the first won't be the last.

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3:07So before we get to the news, yeah, that we have on deck. I mean, we're still going to talk about news here in the A block, but I just kind of wanted to have a free form discussion about the murder of Renee Nicole good. By an ice agent named Jonathan Ross. Harry, you've seen the videos. You've seen angle one angle two. I think you've probably even seen the video Jonathan Ross took himself on his cell phone. On his cell phone, which is weird, which he just he didn't drop, by the way, after he murdered that woman and then said fucking bitch under her breath as she carrying down the street and hit a parked car. You're former law enforcement. You've been trained excessively on use of deadly force. You carried a side arm. You were trained on when to use it, when to not walk in front of a vehicle that you might be, you know, stopping or talking or asking questions about the person passenger driver. Talk a little bit about I just am so interested as a law enforcement former law enforcement with so much training your thoughts watching what Jonathan Ross did that day and how he reacted and and you know why why he walked around the vehicle fully like twice or something that you don't do right.

4:26Well, it's murder like that. He murdered her like you like you appropriately stated, you know, I've been fortunate where I never had to face a situation. But most people don't until they actually do face a situation. Well, that's the whole point is you try to avoid having to go to your side. Exactly. So I mean, there's been situation where you know, you're trying to stop a car that isn't stopping and but you never place yourself in the way. In fact, I'm going to read now this is now everything is agency specific and I'm going to talk about that in a minute. But this is from the MPB DC police rule book manual use of force members shall not discharge a firearm either at or from a moving vehicle unless deadly force is being used against the member or another person for purposes of this order. This is a general order for the department for purposes of this order a moving vehicle is not considered deadly force except when it is reasonable to believe that the moving vehicle is being used to ram or attempt to ram a crowd of people with the intent to inflict fatal injuries.

5:40Members, meaning officers members of the department shall avoid tactics that could place them in a position where a vehicle could be used against them. And that is strictly from the, you know, now every agency is different, but a lot of them, you know, typically follow the same guidelines, the same, you know, rules of engagement, so to speak. Because the, the, the common thread around deadly force is the Supreme Court decision, Graham versus Connor, that was in 1985 and another thing with that says fleeing felon can you shoot can officer shoot somebody as they're running away. That's why they shot him in the back and that's why a lot of times if somebody shot a while they run away, it's a big up for because the Supreme Court says that you are allowed to do that only when you reasonably believe the person is running to go inflict further harm and danger to individuals.

6:47This we all saw the video Mrs. Good was running because she was afraid she did not try to hit the officer the wheels were a hundred percent turned like all the way and the officer put himself in a position to attempt to make himself a victim and that goes to stand by his final words like you just said fucking bitch after he killed her after he murdered her. Well DHS has a similar policy you aren't to fire at a fleeing vehicle and with the same verbiage taken from that Supreme Court case unless there is a reasonable belief that you are in danger and if that wheel is all the way turned and your feeder to the side of the car and you fire to additional shots directly into the driver side window you're no longer. We have reasonable fear you also don't walk around the front of the vehicle and the reason that those DHS policies were put into place was a 21 page scathing report released in 2014 that showed and then you know this is a report from the LA Times that showed border patrol agents were putting themselves in front of a vehicle in order to justify deadly use of force they were doing that on purpose.

8:06And there was recently a decision in November where judge Ellis in Chicago after bovino's operation midway blitz found that ice officers were caught on video break checking other vehicles in order to cause a crash that they could then use to justify use of force they have a history of doing this and something else I learned. Which I talked about on beans talk one of my eight thousand podcasts that I. Is that they you you I mean have you seen all of these ice officers like recently they're all quoting title 18 United. Yes yes section one eleven one guy was like code one eleven bro learn it know it. And you know if you read code one eleven the very first word in that law is you cannot forcibly impede your assault officers such as maybe somebody on January 6th hello.

9:11So I just don't understand their reasoning here and and here I also learned that in that 2014 report about border patrol put themselves in front of vehicles to justify force they were also using the he threw a rocket me to justify the use of deadly force so they're at the border wall and you know the border wall has slats. Here I may say just a couple of miles away from me and there were people on the on the Mexico side of the border wall throwing rocks through the slats. At the officers and the watchdog that put together the reports that instead of just backing away so you were no longer in the in harm's way throwing distance of the of the wall they shot at these people. And so throwing rocks and putting yourself in front of a vehicle and those are the two main things I see in all of these dismissed cases brought against assaulting ice officers they rammed us in they tried to ram us with their vehicle we felt the danger of our lives or Bavino saying in court somebody through a rocket my at my head in order to.

10:21Justifying tear gas against peaceful protesters, which is against the law without going to get also against policy without giving a warning and giving people time to comply. Like if you say you all need to back up your impede like you're blocking our driveway you're impeding us we can't leave you have to give a reasonable chance to exactly to back up and then judge Ellis actually saw the videos of this there was no rock throne and Bavino had to admit that he lied about that so game it's all about rock throwing. And ramming with vehicles and then code 11 bro like how did they learn about code. They're coached on it. They're coached on it and they don't even know what it means don't have what it means right they didn't come up with that themselves I want to see the code 111 rock slash ram vehicle memo that went out to know because I bet you wanted. I'm sure it did and Christie known like I said this is. Chris and a one doesn't know the law and she doesn't give a damn about policy like any any reasonable person would say in the head of an organization good shoot bad shoot any type of officer of shooting we're going to investigate and we're going to let the facts come out that's any.

11:32Even Republican Democrat cops that you hate cops that you love police chiefs across the country we're going to do an investigation in the facts will come out period not. Christie knows George Floyd exactly that's exactly how it was that's how it was for any shoot across the country that we're going to conduct an independent or an investigation but no not this administration this administration swooped in and you have the vice president of the United. States saying that it's officers have immunity and they will not face any type of consequences like this is insane this is overreach in fact and ice doesn't have the authority to do law enforcement. Activity they can do their mission whichever that which is you know would argue that but they cannot be out there directing traffic they can't give parking tickets they cannot conduct local enforcement of laws. No and if somebody's blocking the road for them to enforce their thing that's not the court of police which she wasn't by the way she waved a vehicle by.

12:39That went by went around her she backed up a little bit and then she tried to wave this truck around the truck where the agents came out and they got out the car and. They could have gone around her they weren't she wasn't impeding them and the way that that would work is if they if she if she were impeding them and it couldn't get around her then they would come out one would go to the passenger door one would go to the driver door and they would say you need to move your vehicle. And then we would need to give her a reasonable time to move for vehicle not. But that's the thing they didn't tell her to move a vehicle they told her to get out. Yeah they reached in her door they reached an open door to get the F out. Another cop question for you. Yeah another cop question for you the guy who fired Jonathan Ross. He almost hit his fellow officer. The officer who was reaching in to get the door who whose head was right near her head and whose head was right near an arm was right near the side view mirror. Sure he almost hit that he almost hit his fellow officer keep he is endangering.

13:42Yeah the lives of people and his and his fellow officer well regardless of criminal charges he should not be able to own a firearm even if he's I mean we all saw he murdered her. Public registration is correct full stop. But you know this Administration going to conduct the Pika Boo Investigation. Oh he was clear yeah exactly. And the rules of of basic firearms that's rule number 4 be aware of your target your backstop and beyond because you're responsible for every single round that you. Have in your possession you're responsible for it. your gun. So he, at the very least, he should never be able to own a gun again because he's violating safety rules. And gun safety is the number one thing. But all gun owners, all gun owners, whether you're for gun ownership or you're pro, like give me 150 guns or I don't want guns at all or I only have one. Everybody agrees that gun safety is extremely important. And I mean, I've been on

14:43to range with an adamant second amendment gun enthusiasts. And all of us agreed that gun safety is nothing at all to joke around with. It's number one. He violated that rule. Yeah. I remember, of course, I remember when I bought my Glock 23, the guy in the shop was trying to talk me into a shotgun. He said, you should get this. So you can cock the shotgun. And so you don't have to, so you could scare people with the sound of cocking a shotgun. So you don't have to fire anything. And I'm like, why? Why? And he's like, well, if you get this, it's 40 caliber. If you, if you aim and fire at somebody in your house and you miss and that bullet goes through a wall and hurts somebody outside, you could be viable for that. And I, I'm like, first of all, I was like, look, you misogynistic ever ever. I'm not going to miss. I'm not going to miss. But he's like, look, little lady. I think you should get a shotgun. But that was their main concern was the backstop. What's on the other side

15:43of that? What's on the other side of it? Gun. What's on the other side of the person you're shooting, especially if your, if your weapon has a high enough caliber to travel through something and hit something on the other side. And he almost hit his fellow officer. So, yeah. So he clearly wasn't, he wasn't thinking he wasn't smart. He broke the law and he murdered. Oh, Mrs. Good. So, now one other question about mental fitness for JD Vance is claiming that several years ago that this officer Jonathan Ross was dragged by a car when he was doing a stop. And so he had, he ended up with 13 stitches. Okay. All right. I had 400 in my head when I got into a car accident. But 13, I guess, is a respectable number of stitches. But he's somehow traumatized by this. And that's probably why he, you know, overreacted and broke all protocol and murdered Nicole Good.

16:45If you are incapable of remaining calm in a situation where you have to decide deadly use of force, how long? Should you be a cop? Absolutely not. And you know, I started thinking when I, because I heard that BS argument that JD Vance dumbass put out. And, you know, I was an officer three years after January 6th for three years afterwards. And there were protests that happened. There were large groups of people that came up there yelling and chanting. There were red hats come up there, calling the Capitol Police wrong. Well, we had to be on the front lines of those protesters. Could I have just had a flashback? Could I just pulled my gun out and said, I was traumatized? Could I have just shot somebody or took my baton out and started beating somebody? I was traumatized, y'all. We saw January 6th. Like, it's bullshit, man. It's absolute bullshit. If you are not capable. And the fact that JD Vance brought that up if and when this ever goes to trial, that's going to be definitely used by the defense because that is not an excuse.

17:47Once you step out on that street or you put that badge on you, no matter what has happened in the past, you, that means you're saying I am. I would hammer on that. I would hammer on that. I would be like, are you not mentally well enough because of this previous incident where you were dragged? Are you not mentally well enough to, to, to execute the rules and the policies of the Department of Homeland Security? And he said he had been on the street that soon. Now I'm going after the Homeland Security. Now I'm going after Christie Known for putting a person out there who was not well and endangering the lives of the community. And he clearly took the life of Mrs. Good. In any normal universe, DHS would say we need to, you know, amp up our mental health testing and our qualification. Or at least pretend like it. At least pretend that you care. Not this was justified. She was a lunatic and she, she, she, she, she was mean to us and therefore, and she wasn't though. She just literally said, I'm not mad at you guys. That's

18:49what her last words. Right. I'm not mad at you guys. That's, I would, I would feel certainly my life in danger or so much so that I would walk around the front of the car twice. Um, yeah. I absolutely, but I absolutely take that and then he pulled out his cell phone to record. But yeah, that absolutely gets hammered. I, that got to go to, you have to bring that up in court. This guy shouldn't have been on the street. The vice president said it himself. He was mentally armed. Chargers are brought. I hope charges are brought. If not, I hope a civil civil lawsuit for awful death is brought. And maybe we can get that evidence that we need in discovery there. Absolutely. All right. We have more to talk about. We need to take a quick break. Everybody stick around. We'll be right back. All right, everybody. Welcome back. Okay. Moving on. Now Donald Trump is seeking damages over his Fulton County Rico prosecution as he said he would. This reporting comes from ABC. And now Donald Trump said on Wednesday, filed a motion in Fulton County, Georgia, seeking to recover more

19:53than $6 million in legal fees after the election interference case against him was dismissed earlier this year. The court filing claims district attorney, Fanny Willis, began a politically motivated lengthy investigation in February of 2021. And that he is now entitled to recover those fees because of Willis's disqualification from the case as a result of the new law that allows for exactly that. I wonder why they passed that law. Trump and 18 others pled not guilty in August 2023 to all charges and a sweeping racketeering indictment for alleged efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in the state of Georgia. But Willis was subsequently disqualified from the case following accusations of impropriety regarding her personal relationship with fellow prosecutor Nathan Wade and the case was ultimately dropped in the wake of the case. The Georgia legislature passed a bill that would quote provide for the award of reasonable attorneys fees and costs in a criminal case to the defendant upon such defendant making a successful motion to disqualify the prosecuting

20:58attorney for misconduct and connection with the case. They passed this for him. The Republican state senator who introduced the bill said he did so with the Trump case specifically in mind. Yeah, of course he did. In Wednesday's filing, Trump's attorney said they're seeking about 6.2 million for the reimbursement of fees paid to eight firms that handled Trump's defense. The motion came on the same day that federal prosecutors moved to dismiss a long time running a assault case against Harrison Floyd, one of Trump's 18 co-defendants in the fourth and county election case after Floyd was accused of attacking two FBI agents in 2023 as they attempted to serve him with a subpoena in a related case. Yeah, yeah, the rare decision to drop the federal charge came shortly after Trump and November issued a largely symbolic grant of clemency to individuals who worked on his behalf to challenge the results of the 2020 election. In a court filing Wednesday, the Trump appointed U.S. Attorney in Maryland informed the federal judge overseeing Floyd's case that her office quote moves to dismiss without prejudice,

22:00the criminal complaint, and the above caption case. The judge approved the request soon afterward. Prosecutors did not provide an explanation for the dismissal. The charge stemmed from an incident in February 2023 when Floyd allegedly assaulted two FBI agents sent on behalf of then special counsel Jack Smith to serve him with a subpoena related to Smith's federal election subversion probe according to court records. Floyd, a former marine and mixed martial arts fighter allegedly rushed at the agents and spit in their faces the records show. During the encounter, Floyd shouted profanities at the agents, including you effing piece of S and who the F to you think you are according to an affidavit. One of the agents showed Floyd's firearm in an effort to de-escalate the confrontation according to the affidavit. Boy, they really care about these law enforcement folks don't he? Like FBI, this guy spit on him, he cussed at him, he charged at him. But since they're Jack Smith's FBI, right, they don't matter. They were actually Chris Reyes

23:03FBI. Exactly. Exactly. But yeah, whatever. This past November, Trump issued all defendants in the Georgia election case a sweeping pardon, though the move was largely symbolic. Like I said, because the cases were brought at the state level and therefore fell outside the scope of the presidential pardon power. But Floyd's attorney, Carlos Solvato, told ABC News at the time that the language in Trump's clemency order might also apply to Floyd's otherwise unrelated federal assault charge. Justice Department spokesperson did not respond to request for comment from ABC. So they let him off the hook. And you know, with Trump in mind, the very, very Republican Georgia state legislature passed a law that basically said Donald Trump can have millions of dollars. Get your money back for this. It's kind of reminds me of when they tried to sneak in the continuing resolution that senators who Jack Smith subpoenaed their corrects. Exactly. Get a million dollars a piece. Like, come on. That's just so corrupt.

24:05So corrupt. And they're not even hiding it. Like the guy literally said, the guy who introduced it, like you like you read earlier, he did. So with the Trump case specifically in mind. So this guy is trying to get favor from Donald Trump. And boy, I bet you he sure did too. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's awful. That's just, I mean, I hate everything about this. And then scandal act as, of course, took over the case for himself and dismissed the whole thing. And just dismissed the whole thing. But we knew that was coming. Oh, yeah. So I'll come in a mile away. All right. We've got more news to come to come your way. But we have to take another quick break. So everyone, please, stick around. We'll be right back. Hey, everybody. Welcome back. Our next story comes from CBS news. The man seen carrying away a lectern from then house speaker Nancy Pelosi's office. He photographed. He looked like a

25:08Yeti the way he was walking his lectern. He did. Oh, that's why somebody did. Right. That walk like that that Will Ferrell does in the movie. Oh, you know, he was doing that with the lectern on January 6th. He's now running for public office in Florida because, of course, he is Adam Johnson, 41, became known as the lectern guy after he was photographed, smiling and waving as he carried Pelosi's podium after the pro Trump mob's attack. According to CBS affiliate WPEC, he later pled guilty to entering or remaining in a restricted building and was sentenced to 75 days in prison. He filed to run as a Republican for an at-large seat on the Manatee County Commission on Tuesday. That was the fifth anniversary. He filed on the anniversary of January 6th. How fitting. Johnson told WSB TV that it was not a coincidence that he filed for office on January 6th saying it's definitely good for getting the buzz out there. His campaign

26:09logo is an outline of the viral photograph of him carrying the podium of him committing a crime is actually what it is. Yeah, elect me because I stole a podium. Yeah, I'm a criminal and here's a reminder of it. According to the campaign website, Johnson said he is tired of watching MAGA principles get ignored at the local level. Johnson said he objects to high property taxes and overdevelopment in the county south of Tampa claiming current county leaders are wasteful. So you're going to elect the rich guys who do all the developments. Quote, I will be more heavily scrutinized than any other candidate who's running in this race. Yeah, I'm glad you narrowed it to that race because otherwise nobody knows who you are. Exactly. Quote, this is a positive and good takeaway for every single citizen because for once in our life, I will get my ass handed to me. No, that's not what he said. For once in our life, we will know our local politicians who are doing things. What a great campaign statement. We will

27:11know our local politicians who are doing things. Do things vote for me. For other Republicans have filed to run so far. It's the August 18th primary in what is a deeply Republican county. So we actually might have a chance here. The incumbent is not seeking reelection in that county. Yeah, you remember Johnson placed the podium in the center of the Rotunda of the Capitol. Post repitors and pretended to make a speech prosecutor said he played guilty in 2021 of entering and remaining in a restricted building or ground. It missed the meaner that he equated to J walking in the interview. No, I don't. J walk in my ass. I think I exercised my first amendment right to speak and protest. And steal stuff. Get like what? We're first amendment right to steal stuff. All right. What a scumbag. Republican math, right? Is every Republican math. Man, like he probably was going to try to take that lectern with him, but realized it was just too heavy for him to carry it. So we set it down in the middle of the

28:12Rotunda. He was definitely going to take it. So what a dick. Oh, anyway, good luck, Florida. After driving home, by the way, he bragged that he broke the internet and was, quote, finally famous. I'm finally famous. Finally famous. He served 75 days in prison, followed by a year of supervised release. The judge also ordered that he pay $5,000 in restitution, a fine and perform 200 hours of community service. Johnson told US District Judge Reggie Walton, who's a badass, by the way, at sentencing that posing with Pelosi's podium was a very stupid idea. But now says he only regrets his action because he got caught. But yet he made it his campaign logo, though, right? Yeah. Quote, I walked into a building. I took a picture with a piece of furniture and I left. What is the Latin phrase for that? It's not Vini Vidi Vici. I came. I saw a conquered. What is I came? I saw I took a beautiful piece of furniture. I'm going to look that up in a minute. Johnson had already finished serving a sentence in prison by the time Trump came and pardoned

29:16everybody. So at least that's good. Yeah. He's far from the first person implicated in the January 6th, right? To run for office at least three ran unsuccessfully for Congress in 2024 as Republicans. And there are signs that the Republican Party is welcoming back more people who were convicted of January 6th offenses after Trump pardoned them. Jake Lang, who was charged with assaulting an officer civil disorder and other crimes before he was pardoned recently announced that he is running for Secretary of State Marco Rubio's vacant synod seat in Florida. Florida man. Florida man assaults cops become senator. Yeah, right. It reads right for Florida. Florida man stills Pelosi podium. It now is elected to board of whatever. By the way, it's it's it's it's it's it's a Vini Vity sub-electulum Kepi at Dessessie, that's how you say I came. That's how I posed with furniture and I love yeah, I'll by the way we're going to go back to January 6th here. Our next story comes from

30:22the Hill, the man accused of planting pipe bombs outside the DNC and RNC on January 5th the night before the riot. He pled not guilty Friday to federal charges. Brian Cole, junior faces two explosives related counts tied to the Washington incident that was an elusive mystery of the days surrounding the riot for years, for years. CNN and Bloomberg reporting on this Coles plea, the pipe bombs were planted on January 5, 2021, but discovered detonated the next day as Donald Trump's mob, uh, his supporters ascended on the Capitol in a bid to halt the certification of his election to our friend and great man Joe Biden. Cole was arrested last month after what government official said was an aha moment led to a breakthrough in the in the nearly five year investigation. Yeah, what's interesting is that aha moment was somebody in the FBI wrote a code to crack T-Mobile's, you know, geo location stuff.

31:24That's a whole novel thing. I don't know. It's going to be interesting to see if the court accepts it as evidence, but a federal magistrate judge last week ordered him to remain locked up while awaiting trial pointing to bomb making components found in shopping bags and Cole's home and car upon his arrest. The plea comes on the heels of a wonky legal fight to unique to the nation's Capitol. Yeah, the initial indictment against Cole was returned last month by a local grand jury, not a federal one, as is typical in cases where federal charges are brought. On Tuesday, prosecutors obtained a new indictment from a federal grand jury. US magistrate judge Matthew Sharbar at first did not accept the DC Superior Court's grand jury indictment, noting an ongoing debate in the district's court about whether both types of grand juries are in power to indict on such charges. But ultimately, he then approved it. The Super seating indictment followed soon after. Yeah, he actually never approved the lower court indictment. That's not what he used. So I don't know what the Hill's talking about

32:27there. He just said, I'm doing my own probable cause that he's a danger to the community. So I'm putting him in pretrial detention. But Cole's attorneys maintained that he should be released, pending trial, because the initial indictment was not valid, but its acceptance resulted in other procedural steps being skipped. They also assert that the initial indictment's validity must be decided instead of deemed moot, because at least one of the two counts that Cole's faces has a five year statute of limitations in the federal indictment, the federal grand jury one was obtained Tuesday, five years and one day after the conduct plays. They would have to tie him to January 6th in order for that, in order for that indictment to have made it into the statute of limitations. They would have had to tie it to January 6th to add a day to it. Do you know what I'm saying? But they don't want to tie him to January 6th because they don't want people to know he's Maga. Yeah. That's what this FBI and the Department of Justice is so shady. I'll just use

33:33nice, the nice words, a shady. Prosecutors have said that after his arrest, Cole gave a detailed confession. Cole allegedly told investigators that he believed someone needed to speak up on behalf of the people who thought the 2020 election had been stolen from Trump, and that targeted the major political parties because they were in charge. He denied targeting Congress or the January 6th joint session where the electoral votes were being certified, at least that's what Janine Pirro said, reportedly telling investigators that he doesn't like either party at this point, which means now, not then. Exactly. Cole also allegedly said he viewed the science-related YouTube videos. He referred to those to help put the bomb together and was quote, pretty relieved when they didn't detonate because he didn't want to kill anyone. The government has argued, quote, it was luck, not lack of effort that the devices remained intact while Cole's attorneys maintained that the bombs weren't even viable. That's going to be

34:34an important defense point. Yeah, definitely. Cole's attorney also revealed he has been diagnosed with autism and obsessive-compulsive disorder resulting in a daily routine. They say refutes the government's contention. He was avoiding law enforcement detection. Cole is charged with transporting an explosive device in interstate commerce and attempted malicious destruction by means of explosive materials. If convicted, he faces a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison on the first count and a five-year minimum or 20-year maximum prison term on the second. Yeah. A lot to unpack here, a lot to follow, a lot of developments that I'm very curious about that five years in one day, statute of limitations thing, right? Right. Because, pooh, I mean, that's going to be interesting to see. Very much so much. What they do, do they supersede this with a connection to January 6th? Do they? I don't know. He didn't do anything on January 6th itself, at least not according to them, but we don't know because Janine Piro won't

35:40tell us where he was on January 6th or when he left the DC area. They don't know. But, I mean, if he, if he planted those to detonate on January 6th and was there on January 6th, well, you know, you, you might be able to extend that statute of limitations. But they're, they're adamant. Well, we saw the video he planted on January 5th. Right. And if they're trying to hide the fact that he was connected to the riot at the Capitol, can't, can't figure out why they don't want to connect him to the riot at the Capitol. It was just a peaceful protest, right? Yeah, exactly. They know it's making it their, their denial of the facts of what happened on January 6th is making this case very difficult for themselves. A nightmare for them for themselves. So it might be why it took a month to get a federal grand jury to indict. And again, one of those counts may not even be viable. So we'll keep an eye on that for you. We've got a couple more stories for you, but we're going to take one last quick break. So everybody stick around. We'll be right back.

36:45All right, everybody. Welcome back. The saga of the January 6th plaque continues on January 5th. Mike Johnson finally broke his silence about it. Scott McFarlane at CBS reported that House Speaker Mike Johnson, after two years of deflecting questions on the matter, I don't know what you're talking about. I've never read it. I haven't heard about it. Is now arguing that the legally required January 6th plaque must be reconsidered in a statement on January 5th, a spokesperson for Johnson said, quote, as written, the statute authorizing this plaque is not implementable and proposed alternatives devised by Democrat House staff, not members also do not comply with the statute. What they're talking about is that it's what they want to list every single officer, thousands that were there, instead of the things, but like some of the, I, instead of the organizations, but some of the Democrats were like, we'll just put a QR code on there that you could beep and look at the whole. Look it up to see it. Sounds similar to me. Another thing with that,

37:46a lot of officers said, I don't want my name associated with. So having to get rolled, that could be complicated too. So he went on to say, if Democrats are serious about commemorating the work of USCP officers, US Capitol police, they are free to work with the appropriate committees of jurisdiction to develop a framework for proper vetting and consideration. Buy up a word salad, doesn't even mean anything. What a fuck does that even mean? But NPR reports the senators agreed to display the plaque honoring the police who defended the Capitol January 6th, rebuffing Mike Johnson, who has said the commemorative memorial does not comply with the law. The action happened fast with brief debate in floor action last Thursday. Republican Senator Tom Tillis of North Carolina, who's retiring, had announced during this week's Fifth Anniversary of the Capitol siege that he would seek to ensure the plaque was installed, partnering with Democratic Senator Jeff Murkley of Oregon, who was also working on this situation and Democratic Senator Alex Padilla

38:48and no senators objected to the call for unanimous consent. To both of our surprises, AG. Tillis said a lot of people said it was a dark day for democracy, describing his memory of hearing the thousands of people, dogs, he said. Lacey, to the Capitol, as Congress was telling the 2020 election results, he said that because of the work of law enforcement officers, it instead became a great day for democracy. We came back and completed our constitutional duty to certify the election he said. We owed them eternal gratitude and this nation is stronger because of him. Even a broken clock is right. Go ahead Senator Tillis. Even a broken clock that's retiring from Congress. Exactly. We need to amend that phrase. This week, senators stepped up after learning the plaque, which had been approved by Congress more than three years ago, was nowhere to be found at the Capitol. Instead, many House lawmakers have been hanging up replicas outside of

39:51their office. House Democratic lawmakers. Yeah, let's say that Democratic lawmakers. The Senate also appeared to be motivated by the shifting narrative from Trump's White House about what happened on January 6th, when his supporters stormed the building after he urged them to go to Capitol to confront Congress and hang Mike Pence over Democrat Joe Biden's 2020 election victory. Trump himself shifted blame for the attack during the speech this week in which he said he only intended for his supporters to march peacefully to the Capitol. Moreover, the White House produced a glossy new report also shifting blame for the deadly riot on Democrats, for Biden's victory over Trump and on the Capitol police for their response to the mob. Yeah, that whole White House dot goes on the website. You got, yeah, it was the Capitol police officers that were like, it was like agitators and like a hundred of you and it was you guys. The plaque, according to the law, was intended to be placed at the west front of the Capitol,

40:54where the most fierce fighting took place. It was required to be installed by March of 2023, I think a year after legislation passed. Yep. The new resolution directs the architect of the Capitol to prominently display the plaque in a publicly accessible location. So this was a bill written up by Tillis and Merckley, a resolution saying, we're going to do this in the Senate. We're going to display it prominently where it's publicly accessible in the Senate wing of the Capitol until it can be placed where it's supposed to be under law, which you're suing them for, by the way. Yeah. To display the plaque in its intended location would require agreement with Mike Johnson because he's a little. I'm glad that you brought that up because that last thing that you just said, AG, to display the plaque in its intended location would require agreement with the House in Mike Johnson. Actually, no, it's going to require us winning in court. So we're thankful for the Senate that has already said they're going to display it, but that's not what the law says. There are just doing something to honor us, which we are truly appreciative of. However, as of now,

41:59kind of like in the meantime, until Mike Johnson gets his shit together or the court orders him to get his shit together, we'll display it here prominently where it's publicly accessible, but it's supposed to be. Yes, correct. So as of now, our lawsuit is still ongoing, and we will compel Mike Johnson to excuse me, the architect of the Capitol to comply with the law. Simple as that. The office of Johnson, every public and who before becoming the House Speaker, led efforts to object to 2020 election results said this week that the plaque as constructed does not comply with the law and police, myself and Daniel Hodges have sued to get the plaque on display as required, but Trump's justice department is trying to dismiss the law suit. Yeah. Now, Tillis said part of the technical implementation problem was a concern that the law specified the plaque would honor all the officers involved, but the plaque only lists the various law enforcement agencies that responded to the Capitol that day. He said there will be a digital

43:00component, presumably a website that will list all the names. That should take care of it, right? The number of officers actually runs into the thousands. But like I said, H.E., a lot of officers, well, not a lot. I would say less than most don't want their names listed. You know, like whether they put their public name out there, well, the the proud. Maybe they're mad at or maybe they don't want to be docs or yeah, that's what I was getting at. Maybe they could be docs. Somebody could go say, oh, oh, let's oh, I know this guy. You know what? Let's look him up. Let's go find out where he lives and where his family lives and it sucks that a memorial meant to honor sacrifice and service. It could be used as a way to dox and hurt people. So a police. I blame them. The police, the Republican law and order party. We love the police. Stop assaulting our ice officers, but go ahead and assault our Capitol officers and our FBI agents when they're serving subpoenas on you for helping Trump try to overturn the 2020 election in

44:05Georgia. Just yeah, it's frustrating. It's super frustrating. But I'm so I'm heartened that the Senate by unanimous consent agreed to display it in the meantime. It was so great accessible location. I wonder where it is. I thought it was in the basement or something in storage, in Capitol storage, but they're like, it's so we, you know, maybe they maybe Mike Johnson took it and hit it. Maybe they put in the East Wing before they destroyed it. You know, absolutely. I still don't know what happened to everything in the East Wing. All those artifacts pieces of history. I still I'm sad and worried about where they are. What about where they are? I mean, how many times you and I've been to a White House Christmas party, my friend. I know. I know where it was. It was beautiful to see the gold state warriors. You could go to state where it's a Steph Curry. Yep, that was great. And for a great time. Yeah. Man, all right. Oh, man. And shout out to Steve Kerb, by the way, for calling

45:08the murder a murder a murder a murder a murder a shout out to him for doing that. He was Yeah. And all the magas are like, I've lost all respect for Steve Kerb. What I mean, they weren't paying attention because Steve Kerb spoke so forcefully and eloquently at the DNC. He was great. I courage ought to go look up his speech at the DNC. Shout out, Steve Kerb. Maga, if you hate everyone, if all you've got left is Ted Nugent and some fucking taint smegma to to look up to maybe like look around you and be like, maybe it's me. If you have to disown all of the people that you respect and admire in order to continue to lick the boot of Donald Trump, when does it dawn on people like, oh, maybe if everyone who I really like and admire hates this guy, maybe I'm in a cult. That whole reinforcement, that cult mentality and that reinforcement behavior is just it's real. I think of the Milgram

46:12experiments where they actually got stones to electric think they were electrocuting each other for money. That exact sort of mentality is what happened to Abu Ghraib when they were good, otherwise good people were torturing prisoners. That whole concept is just frightening. It's just frightening, especially when it's on a national scale and it's the president of the United States. Absolutely. So we're staying in the fight, John. Yep, not giving up staying in the fight. Thanks to our patrons. If you want to become a patron, it's patreon.com slash I'll 45 pod AISL E45 POD. Thank you for supporting us. You make this show happen. We have so many like I'm working on signing like I'm not going to do any AI pledge on any MSW media show. So all of our copyrighters, our editors, our people who manage our calendars, people who engineer the shows, it's all done manually by human beings. And you know,

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