Episode 250: Interview with Travis from Australia

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1:02Oh, together we sing We lift up a shout, we lift up a shout of praise Welcome back Truth Seekers from around the world It's time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast I'm your host is always George Hobbes as we record on this Friday evening March 6, 2026 I hope everybody is having a great week We have an outstanding guest standing by joining us from Australia It's been a while since we've had someone from Australia looking forward to the conversation As always, if you'd like to join the podcast like Travis is today, please shoot us an email It is fefilesguestatgmail.com Again, that is fefilesguestatgmail.com We'll get a questionnaire right out to you and right now we are scheduling for April

2:02And you know, I'm very flexible with my schedule for the most part So it doesn't matter where you are in the world will make it happen And with that being said, we're going to shift our focus where they parachute up They skydive up to the ball But joining us is Travis who we had a nice conversation before we hit the record button It's really awesome and humbling to hear people You know, when they say they listen to you and things like that I don't even know how to respond, it's just I think this truth community is so awesome And I wish there would be a time where we could just get everybody together in one place And just to break bread and to hang out and maybe that day will come Well, it'll come when we leave this earth, but for now we want to bring on Travis from Australia Sydney, right? Yes, sir There you go, you are on the stage sir, welcome aboard. Thank you so much for joining us today And as always, introduce yourself to the audience

3:05In each time, my name is Travis I'm a builder here in Sydney, I live in Southwest Sydney itself, married I should say this five years, not long ago, about a week ago Got five children, four girls, one boy And I'm just good Sorry, I don't know where I was at five girls, I got one female staffy, two female rescue cats So yeah, when it comes to the genders around here, I'm pretty much under the pump here at the moment So that's pretty much mean enough Like hell sound, this is the happiest ever been I think in my life And you hate it, just because the wife is sort of brought me down, not a few pegs It's probably just maybe realize a few things that not everybody needs to know your opinion, I suppose

4:06And I sort of got a little bit uppity about that But you know, come down a little bit in life and things like that and it's honestly the happiest to be But it seems that there's a whole lot of unhappiness around the world So there's been a weird thing going on there, so happy as Larry, as they say Yeah, I'll tell you what, like in my life, my wife's a good woman and she grounded me And I know what you mean by bringing down a couple pegs It's just more being humbled and realize that there's more to the world than just yourself It's giving and serving and raising children We have guinea pigs, we have dogs, we have chickens, we've kind of adopted two homeless cats You know, it's just, you know, I think the older you get But I see the animal thing, I think the animal thing that says a lot about a human being It really does I don't believe I'm walking around with, I think I reckon 70% of people who are soulless like that they really are Yeah

5:06But like our last, I'm going to get on the cats for a sec I was at a job for a quake, which is a really unusual one for renovation And the house was, they just bought it, so nobody's in the house And I was in the master bedroom just going through with it And I could hear a meow, like a kitten now Anyway, turns out, looked high and low, couldn't find it And the cat was in the wall, it was about four weeks old Evidently, I pulled it out, cut it out with the wall, took it to vet and so on And evidently, I didn't get that job And I drive past the job because there's on my way to my work side at the moment And there's no work going on, so there's obviously a power as the bee They got me to go do this quake to save this cat This kitten And as we're speaking, I'd say run along bean, the absolute devil that it is now But I just think if you find a human and an animal is attracted to it Or the animal let the human padded, it sort of shows that they have a bit of a soul

6:06I think animals are where it's at, I think Not going to say I like them more than humans, but I like them more than humans They love you unconditionally, don't they? Yes, they do, yes they do And nothing breaks your heart more when you're going to take that faithful trip Because as humans we do get a little bit selfish and probably hang on to them a bit longer than what you probably should I suppose But they're always with you I believe that they do tell the next animal to come and love you Because they've had to leave, so they do choose the next one that comes into your life differently So I never thought of it that way, it's beautiful No, I'm thinking about my old beagle I think we all have that soul dog definitely It doesn't mean I haven't loved every other animal that I've had When it comes to animals, I've only ever had staff achievable terriers All my life I think I will pepper at the moment, she's a rescue

7:09I won't get puppies now because I believe that you should go and rescue Right, with the same way Yeah, give one a bit of a crack in there I just don't, I love all animals, but my heart's with the staffies And I don't think I could I just, and you're thinking about your beagle I'm thinking about my soul dog, whose name was Bugsy, and it's pretty emotional when you think about that way I like all animals, you know, I mean the past, you know, move on So I should sit here and say I'm really upset about Relatives that pass on and everything But I don't know, you can just kind of deal with that With an animal, it's just, there's no crap attached to it It's just pure love You know, they don't care what, how much you earn, and they care what you look like This, that, I mean, just, and nothing You know, they're happy when you walk out of the room They're happy when you walk back into the room Like, they're just happy about everything You know, we need to take a real hard look at ourselves

8:09And probably take on a few of these traits So, to be honest, you know Yeah, they don't judge you As long as you have plenty of treats, you're good to go Anyway, I could craft on about animals forever And I'm sure we've got some other better things to talk about Now, I think we just, we just got to take a few things A few chapters of the books, definitely Yeah, for sure Your email really caught me because I always find it interesting When people start to question things at such a young age Because that was pretty naive And I was more worried about sports and girls And, you know, going to the army and see in the world and doing all that But you're very first Comment was your first memory of Flat Earth was A morning before school, 88, 89 So, you know, 37 years ago You were 12 or 13 years old But you asked your dad about Flat Earth And he responded with one simple line If the Earth was a globe, there wouldn't be any Flat Earthers And you mentioned it didn't really make sense at the time But here you are, obviously, you know, 37 years later

9:11And it's still resonating with you And you want to expand on that a little bit? Yeah, but it's like I come from when I look back at it My dad was a bit, I'll just say, unconventually, in their thoughts And going up, not he was, he wasn't out there Yeah, I'm embarrassing you and things like that But everything was in cryptic that you talked to him about And he just dropped little one line as like those things Which he dropped one line as we go along in life The smarter you become because you're a bit older They'd mean a little bit more And I still will, every now and again, come along here And one of those one lineers will pop into my head And I'm 51 years old And I'll go, oh my god, that's what he's talking about You know, so he's, I don't know whether the guy's incredibly smart Or he's just, he just need to keep dropping these bombs Because they would go off at some stage But he's still around and I, yeah And we sort of don't, I don't just, I don't ask him about little bombs

10:15He dropped because I just know they're just going to just keep coming into my life The whole time along as we go along So every now and again, I'll ring him and I'll say, yeah, another one of your bombs is just let go You know what I mean? And we'll have a bit of a giggle And to talk about it, we move on So the whole, my whole upbringing was, you know, cryptic So my wife struggles to understand that But that's just how we brought up, you know, different styles Yeah, we all have different backgrounds and we all view things differently But something that really hit home with me was, you mentioned that in retrospect Thinking back that your dad was non-conformist And it took me a lot of time after my dad passed to realize that he was the same way And then I remembered an old video clip I had of him He was on C-SPAN, which is like an American kind of news channel that covers Congress And the Senate and all that He was very upset after that we both went to Desert Storm in 91 He was in a different unit. We were in different places But we were both over there

11:15And I remember October the 92 of the year after they ran that story About that young girl lying about the babies and the incubators and all that other stuff He was furious because he endured a lot of physical pain From Desert Storm syndrome And it forced him to retire from the post office And, you know, we all have things that forced us to seek the truth Like for many people it was COVID You know, we all have different things And that was his really eye-opening moment And he really changed after that He didn't trust the government, he trusted the government like a submarine with a screen door I mean, he just wanted nothing to do with him He wouldn't even, he gave up on the VA And he became more or less I mean, he didn't go out and pick it with signs and protests But he really was a non-conformist And he, at that point on, he started to question the narrative And it was interesting to watch somebody who was in that age bracket

12:16We were talking about before we hit the record button Right, we talked about how hard it is You can't change someone's way of thinking in 30 minutes when they're 40, 50 years old But it is interesting to somebody to finally see that light come on And they start questioning, you know, the narrative Yeah, and I got a lot Well, I'd say a lot, but say these are a couple of guys that we go to the gym with and things like that And they can take it in They can sort of take it either way But what they've come to me is, you know, that you throw a few truth bombs out there Which I believe is the truth bombs And now they're at that, well, I can see how you don't think it's a glow But what makes you think it's flat? And that's sort of where I end the conversation Like, you work that one out now Do you know what I mean? I've kind of, I've done my job now because you start to question the glow That's right And to me, I'm not the teacher in a sense Like, I've just got your thinking

13:16And I feel that's my job without getting all upset And how can you not believe it's this and how can you not believe it's that Just let them do their own research Do them itself Sorry Matt, you just said something that kind of punched me in the face You said, I just want to get you thinking And, you know, one of my passions is how broken our education system here is in the states And, you know, to get someone thinking is really what a teacher should be doing But what we do here is we funnel a one-way road of information This is what happened This is the way you do things, not okay class You have $100 and you have to get from Atlanta, Georgia to St. Louis Somebody show me the fastest way and somebody show me the cheapest way No, it's in 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue It's nonsense And, you know, the good guys win every war and all of these things

14:18And I'm not going to elaborate on it because I've spoken on it so much But you spent 12, 13 years in the public school system And you see like 60% of the people can't even read at their grade level You talk about a broken system, you're wasting these people's lives Yes And I think that in a, I don't know about an American bit in Australia The take-up of private schooling or homeschooling rather Has gone through the roof So now these, now the government's bringing in counter counter things to stop that You know, because they can, you know, they want to be the ones who educate the kids You know, for whatever their reasons are But none of my kids had or are homeschool But I would in a heartbeat if it was, if it were in a different situation So, most definitely But going back to that, I'm all my family I mean, my family within my roof, the girls, and stuff

15:18They all know this is flat earth And I've never, I've never beat them into it for a better way of saying it But the discussions at the dinner table or the discussions around They've always come to me with questions And like my wife always said that the thing is with flat earth is There's always a simple answer You know, she asks a question of Whatever it may be And then I can just give a simple answer as to the proof as to why it's flat Where if you go to a globe, they've got to give you some calculation And it's 48 billion light is like, and you can't even fathom the answer they give you And I think that's what they're trying to do is to try and muddy your waters Over here so you can't prove them wrong But with a flat earth like, as I say again, my wife just said The answers are just so simple You know, sometimes the simple answer is the right one What does it make it wrong because it's simple, you know And that's what they're taught to do So, going on to that, my 10-year-old Sorry, my 13-year-old She actually stood up in class about the globe and said no, I believe it to be flat

16:23And the teacher stood up in the class and like berated her Really? You know, I mean in front of the class and she was in tears and so on and so forth But not to get upset by it, I just sort of said to her, this is what we're dealing with You know, why would she have to do that if you were wrong? Like if you were wrong, she wouldn't have to do that So you're hitting the nail on the head here, you know what I mean So just take it as that, it's upsetting that you were upset and she treated you like that But that's 70% of people around the world So it's probably a lesson in that And I know some people would go, I would have marched down to the principles Oh, that doesn't happen You know what I mean, people always talk tough like that They do You know, you're not going to get past the admin side, that desk, you know They're not going to give you free reign of the principle But you're just going to take these things as Don't get beaten up right, she's there as a lesson, you know, move forward in life So not everybody's going to believe you what you've got to say But as long as you know it's the truth within yourself, that's all that matters

17:25Yeah, that would be my following question, how did she react, especially being at that age Where, you know, being perceived in a certain way is so important for some people Well, she didn't, she hasn't really spoken about it, to say But you know, it's sort of rocked her a little bit until we sort of I know, it wasn't until the night after it, dinner I sort of after dinner We sort of pulled her, pulled her aside and just sort of had a bit of a yarn about it You know what I mean, just don't, don't be upset by it You know what I mean, this, what you've got to do is just get back up And like, and I used my dad's line of saying if the earth was a globe, there'd be no flat earthes You know what I mean, so it would have proved it to us long before You know, and I said you do realize that I'll teach you this The flat earth up until the 30s or so 1930s or something like that So I said where did it all change, you know what I mean? So you're on, if someone's having a crack at you like that We must be over the target Yeah, and she really joined the club didn't she because I think for a lot of us it was the same way

18:26We, we find out we, you know, we come on a belief like you know Yeah, you know, we don't live on a ball and you get excited and you want to tell everybody that And that's the type of reaction you get from people which And again, you can tell people, you know, I don't think, you know, JFK was assassinated by a lone gunman You can even say I don't believe we, you know, we went to the moon And you might get, you know, the eye roll, the eyebrows or whatever But you don't get that shock and all type of reaction as you do when you mention flat earth Which is it blows my mind Yeah, yeah, absolutely right And I'm probably too old and too ugly these days That's part of the reason too Just if people aren't going to believe it like he cares You don't mean like it doesn't matter Do you know what I mean? Like you're, they're trying to make fun of us But in actual fact, I feel the summer mirror I'm the same way back to you You know, I just can't believe you can't think like and don't tell me what the mainstream media is telling you

19:28Because that makes you doubly a numpty And if you're going to use what they say the mainstream media tells you as information to an argument I mean, I just walk away My energy in senators worth more than that Yeah, yeah, I go with it numpty You know, it's interesting, you know, though, is there was such a great awakening with with COVID And people started looking into 9, 11 vaccines and those type of things But they still stop even though they finally realized even with the presidents You know, it doesn't matter if it's Biden or Trump, they're all part of the team But they still, they won't step over that last hurdle, which is flat earth Yeah, that's true And I come up who I was listening to you speaking to somebody the other morning on the way to Jim And they were talking about he was listening to Dan Bongino And he made a perfect point which I hadn't thought of before They'll go to a certain point but won't go past that point And knowing that information, I said I went back and started listening to a few things for Dan Bongino

20:32And he goes, jeez, I can't remember who said it, but jeez he was on the mark there Like he's bang on, there's a point that obviously the elites say you're not going past there Because you want to look like a good guy like one of us, but they just might go past a point So yeah, jeez, I really wish I remembered who that was, but yeah And just every one of your episodes, you're just like, I was worried about coming on the heat first Because I'm thinking I can't add any more to the flat earth argument or knowledge than you haven't brought up before We're talking about 250 on episodes or something like that But you seem to learn something with every episode from all these different individuals as well So it's like a drug, like your podcast is a dead set drug Yeah, if you're not the stressed out, you're just like, God, I've got to get... When's the next one coming at? And then you said you're stopping it for a while and Oh mate, I could have sent you some horrible emails and I was like, how dare you? What am I going to listen to now? You know what I mean?

21:33Yeah But anyway, we've moved on now and you're back, so that's the best thing ever And I thought, I'm not going to miss the opportunity now to get on Where it's like anything previously you go, yeah, I'll get to it, I'll get to it, I'll get to it You know what I mean? But then I thought, no, I'm going to do it this time Yeah, and as we say, my wife was right as she always is You know, I told her I felt I hit a wall, I didn't think there was anything else we could do And you know, then a look at the emails and my wife starts giving me the brow beans She's like, come on And then sure enough, the first couple episodes back, I'm like, wow, I didn't know that, I didn't know that And it's true, you do learn something, at least one piece of information you learn something And that's how you grow, so I'm so glad that she, she didn't talk me back into it I wouldn't do something I didn't want to, but you know, it's very important to, because this is such a big part of This is like, I feel the last part of the puzzle, right? You have a thousand piece puzzle and there's 999

22:34You can't find that one to kind of bring everything around and people argue, oh no, it's the, you know, it's Israel It's the Jesuits, it's this, and what it, it's really all, it's a part of a big puzzle But it's interesting to me, that's the one piece nobody wants to talk about So I've learned, and this is just me speaking, whenever you notice that trigger, when somebody doesn't want to talk about that or be, you know, Not recognized with, what am I associated with it, right? That's, there's a reason for that There's a subtle, and all of it, I think, you know, it's movies, it's television, it's science, it's NASA, it's the challenger, it's Apollo, it's all of that to get you to buy into The greatest lie of all, and it truly does, trigger lies, the creator, it gets you to believe in nonsense And it really is, like it's just, they're so, they're so helping on, you know, if you said something silly and then I'd go, no, it's actually this

23:44And yeah, now it's not, it's this, and it doesn't mean much you go, okay, well whatever, you know what I mean, I think this, you think that But they're just so helping on making us sound so crazy, we're on to something You know, you don't go that hard to prove somebody wrong if you're way off the mark, you know, at the end of the day And I just keep coming back to what I've said, for them to explain anything in space or what have you, they just give you these calculations of these numbers which you just can't fathom At all, and that's, that would have to be part of the reason, because we, yeah, how do you prove what is 15 zillion light years away, like you just can't fathom it But I, but my, what they say, my CCTV camera is all fuzzy, but you can see stuff that far away, it's like it's just, it's just like people just need to stop And just stop for a moment and think, I'm not saying to follow how we think, I'm just saying just stop for a moment and go, how did he talk to somebody on the moon with a landline

24:47Yeah, like, do you know what I mean? I just, this is what I'm trying to do is just get people to, you don't have to think my way, but just stop and think Yeah, and just have like, how did they do that? Or how come we haven't been back, you know, at the end of the day Yeah, yeah, I think I'm going to ramble on about that, it's just that's just the craziest thing of all since 16, I wasn't 72 or 71 was the last time they said they went there or something Yeah, 72, I believe yeah Like, haven't been back, like, really? Like, we can go there five times or whatever within a few years, but now we've got, we've got nothing like crickets, they get back there And I heard that they put, didn't they put it back off, that they're not going on back till 2027 again or something like that now They always kick it down the road, don't they? Yeah, but does that, they kick it down the road, but that triggers my thinking that They just extended another year because something big is coming so we won't be able to know whether they went on, yeah, we won't have that information through the internet or something to really analyze what they're doing

25:52It's just everything is just not steered towards us being successful these days, like it really isn't at all Yeah, to me and I just while you were talking I googled the artist's Artemis mission and now the big headline is like just from today is that NASA wants to accelerate its Artemis mission to the moon However, it will need to drop some big hardware to do it so what they're saying is the projects it's going to take more money to buy more So again, it's enriching a lot of people don't associate NASA with the military industrial complex, but they very much are So the CIA's got some big black obstacles that I need to do Yes, I do But even the space shuttle, how quick they say that that flies and you know those little plates, those heat plates are glued on What are they using for this glue? You know, it's just so backwards in thinking, but it's what you're taught, you walk into a classroom, the first thing you see is a guy

27:00Isn't it? And there we are, we move forward and that's what we deal with You're a 13-year-old and you say you don't really believe in the globe model when you get stood up in class and berated You know, I'm proud as punchy stood up and took it Dagger be wrong Yeah, but The I-12-13 would I want to be stood up in front of the class and pointed and yeah, it might funnel of course No, not so much might funnel but you're being an example is being set From it Yeah, nobody else is going to have the courage to stand up if they even if they think it and believe it 100% because they know it will be the result of that And like I said to it, like I said to it and I'm so proud that you just stood up and you took it Yeah, yeah, I'm like and that shows more than anything in the world But like I said, if there was no, if the globe was proven, maybe none of us would they we wouldn't be talking to each other That's right You know, it's you know, it's interesting to me I was wondering because we were talking about black ops

28:00I just researched real quick how much the Artemis program cost You know, they tell us the Sun is 93 million miles away Well, the budget for Artemis fiscal year 25 was 93 billion dollars Sakura yeah, would it be 93 billion dollars for yeah, but you know what I was thinking the other day There's something about human beings that have this Earning a yearning not earning yearning for a suspension of disbelief and what that is is like wrestling professional wrestling We watch that knowing that the outcome is predetermined the punches aren't really landing Yes, their body's taking a beating to a certain extent But it's all predetermined We watch television. It's not real. We watch movies not real And I think all of that suspension and disbelief whatever it is about it Lends a big part in this whole yeah, we're spinning on like complete nonsense Now that we're awakened to it and when you think about how just how silly it is

29:01Yeah, but I think you've got to have that little bit of first going to have a soul and secondly you got to have that bit of yearning to question You know and and even if you don't question just because just because you yell and scream the loudest doesn't mean you're right either Just just stop for a moment and listen to what other people are going to say yeah like You know when it comes down to religious I don't call myself religious But she's more than happy to Listen to what like religions got to say if I've got a question you know I mean I just say oh now that's the worst She's the this that and the other know just listen to what they get to say you know at the end of the day It doesn't mean you got to believe it But I think we're just missing a whole lot of respect on it in the world so not everybody's right No and I think social media has made people I don't know less tolerable or keyboard warrior Obviously they don't enact that way you see people on Facebook and Twitter

30:03They just insult you and they would not even dream about doing it in person But but it you know that's part of their divide and conquer plan right True and didn't mock toss and say that Yeah it's not about everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face And not a true or phrase spoken I reckon so But what I do they do say a lot to say the younger generation Because mine started 19 down to 10 And what they do and I can't agree with you more when you said the other day And I keep referring to your old websites but you know how they may not The kids will come in from the grandparents house and go How was it instead of buttering up they go no now that sucked you know we did nothing here And so you get the truth from them you know what I mean but it's not very when it comes to being very Redis respectful I think the keyboard warriors are out of control these days So yeah you just it's just less sense but it's made me a better parent

31:05I reckon because it just makes you go well if you're not If you're going to say it behind a keyboard you won't say it to the face you know you're not gutsy enough to say it so don't say it And there's always you can always say something where you're not Where you're not being totally disrespectful you're just saying your opinion too You don't have to make it horrible what you say to them but you can say anything With your point of view without carrying on like a like a portrait And in that it's made me a better parent Although it's a bit more difficult and I reckon being a parent these days It's probably a little bit easier Because you take a lot of lessons from how people are on the internet and use them as examples of how we should be within these four walls Doesn't matter what Joe blows doing down the road you're friend in their house that doesn't matter But what but these are the these are the rules under this roof And we walk out with respect you know and give people respect

32:05So having heard any bad things back from the kids yet so the story of their the lessons might have learnt so far so good I got two pretty successful 90 year old girls twins They're doing their right life and it carries down from there the other going through school But on to that I don't mean to take your show off and keep to take your show brother The 19 year olds when they when they entered year seven which is the first year of high school in Australia That's when COVID hit And neither one of them did a full year Yeah of high school the whole time And I I really reckon That you could really see that in a lot of mannerisms and things like that where they could just sit at home and and and do nothing You know because weeding vaccinate kids at all I just can't believe people didn't question that Do you know what I mean like how Like I don't want to be distressed

33:05No no I think how can you not you know like anyway I'm sorry short so they were Yeah they spent a lot of time at home behind computers And you know doing you know what what you know at home without going to school And you know they lost a lot of social What's the word like We know the deal within a social environment Everybody became introverts right Sorry everybody became introverts Yeah yeah yeah big time Big time and then you can see when everything was was sort of opened up again Just some of the stories you'd read about how people just went absolutely crazy Because they didn't know how to deal with this freedom or this this outburst of energy kind of thing You know there's a lot of well a criminality going on And a lot more than what there was So they're just you know and we talk about Some people say I don't think there'll be another covert I don't think they get away with it But George I'm not too sure People talk talk a big game

34:07But when it comes down to it they'll bend over and kiss the ring pretty quick When it comes down to their wallet 100% they will 100% and Yeah not just the wallet You think of people that I know that got even got their kids vaccinated And it's like through a covert What really Do you know what I mean? Like my god then the kids didn't really need to be done but they went and went ahead and did it anyway So each of their own you do you But don't sit on the other side of the unit table and say that I'm a that I'm a loony Because I didn't either you know So let's just have that little here the arguing the time for arguing is gone Yeah what what more can we put into them you know of arguments Look at let's have another bring a debate up in another five years time When the real injuries start happening you know or being well out So this is just the tip of the iceberg I believe Yeah I do think it is the tip What I saw beginning in the summer through December

35:08A lot of death Like unbelievable numbers Locally friends I went to high school with and just You know like you said I think it could get worst and going on to what you said a little earlier They absolutely could pull something else off they absolutely could if you go back and Research operation see spray and I think this is where it gets different from COVID I think they are somehow some way going to make a lot of people sick So where there's no doubt that people see the visual of hospitals being overrun because That's what they're good at is psychological operations and I think they will instill enough fear for People to take whatever it is if it's a implantable chip that comes along with a vaccine And and don't worry about it you know we're going to reset everything free health care universal basic income You don't have to worry about anything I think they're going to make things so extreme And then they're going to offer this and like you said most people do talk a tough game

36:10And it's going to take I think there's going to be a small I don't mean to use this word loosely Because other you know a small remnant of people who are going to be left out of society And really struggle but they understand the bigger picture Yeah and that's how they do it but going back to that I had They the COVID shot yeah my sister passed away from it My father-in-law my what yeah obviously my wife's father he passed away from it So it does it has hit home definitely It's been because I've got a brother Third he was forced no I don't believe that word forced He's worked hard and he's got to do it And hold your respect to the to me brother and that you know what I mean that's a paycheck one definitely But my father didn't get it I didn't get it None of yeah my kids or my wife none of us got it but it seems everybody else did get it

37:10But actually my favorite as a business owner my favorite employee Probably my best employee I actually got him in 2021 or something because he's old The the the the building company that he worked for said if you don't get the shot we're not employing you So just by chance we saw a Facebook post from his wife my wife did and we contacted him And you wouldn't believe it out of out of the ruins come a good employee You know say that there are some good stories to it you know of course But yeah I just it's gonna happen again how it's how it's gonna be or what they've got planned I don't know but it just seems I just can't I'm just looking for that time when I'm not looking forward to it But we'll be shunned by family will be shunned definitely It was so hard to work through that time you'd even the government could tell you you could We were doing a renovation at the time and we had to put this big sticker on the door to say that We're allowed to do it because the the couple had nowhere to live

38:10So we could finish it off and the police would come around there twice a day to make sure Only the people who were supposed to be on site were there they'd take photos of the cars out the front And they're just they were just picking because by the sec just say two weeks in And you've had 14 visits from them or something like that you start to get a bit nucky You know what I mean is you know like it's the same as what it was this morning make you know Move on and kind of a feel they were just they were just waiting for you to lash out You know what I mean is they could justify their existence you know And you go for your teenage years whether it's right or wrong Thinking the authority of the worst people in the entire world you know But now and then I went through that phase where I have to take them or leave them they're here But mate what they did during that COVID thing I'll never ever forgive them Yeah I mean I can't trust them like I really can't you know you can be Yeah when they when you come in contact with them yes sir no sir you know yes I'll speeding no problem

39:10Give me a fine out but mate I don't have the respect you know that I probably had six seven years for you You know a tough old gig but mate it's all gone yeah You know even if I had one at a party and you'd be talking to them I'd say I just can't respect you anymore you know Respectfully you know I can't I can't what you did was Ah yeah it's just so aggravating I just can't believe humans could do that to other humans Who have done nothing to them And the reason all that happened the reason they were able to get away with all that Whether it was you know people not being allowed to see their loved one as they pass because there could only be You know one person and all the other nonsense they were pushing Is because the matrix that they created It revolves around money Right Social security pensions That that's why people will go online and say I'm very angry Most people will stop there because they understand and I don't remember who said it but it was pretty powerful when they said

40:12The downfall of our country is going to be the phrase I'm just doing my job ma'am And that's basically saying you know they're more a legend to their paycheck than they are their moral compass And it's because that you know the whole thing depends on a paycheck They have a mortgage to pay they have a child to pay if they don't do that It takes a very very strong person to say no I'm not doing this Right And if you're in that situation I couldn't respect you anymore if you did say not doing it Moving on And on that that I've The other one of the other twins she's going to starting you need to become a nurse And The sheet that she's got to fill up before she's got to prove that she's had the two the two covert shots Like all those years ago and and we're in a battle at the moment So what does it matter like even if she did with me nothing to your five years on or whatever it is and the That she's had to go to the GP to prove to for him to exonerate her from taking it like you she just

41:17And she's going to take a flu shot every year and and I myself saying obviously your 19 You know you're an adult so you know you choose what you want to do but I'm on dead against it Because if they didn't get you with that what do you think they're going to give you every you know And the tetanus shots you know you even read it there you know they're probably the main one these days is clear of From everything you read So yeah so when it comes to the covert thing it made it tough I've lost family members you know Of and it's a real division in life these days so As I said I'm not going out there saying If the police if you say no I just I just don't have the time from I suppose going forward even nurses I mean you said enough time to do all these TikTok dances and everything I thought the I thought the hospitals were full You know And there's that thing we just question question that just think about things from over how Could you be doing a happy dance on tiktok when you say under the pump is in that what they were saying so I call

42:21Yeah, I whether so I call bullshit on this one Definitely there was some cringe 2020 even now I just cringe thinking about everything whether it was the summer of love Dancing nurses of the mayor of New York you saying hey free hamburger and fries if you just get a vaccine it's just I'm like there's no way that happened man there's no way No way people went and did it like obviously they did but for I just I can't remember his name But didn't he just go for become mayor again recently or something and he lost that he lost that he um Any I just a cheesy look on his face he didn't want to be doing it either He's going oh this delicious hamburger and it's just like oh I hope he looks back at that and just cringes that it just goes oh my god I can't believe we did that so funny funny old times but some horrible horrible old times during that But I just can't believe it went for so long I Thought you get a year or something out of that but it just kept carrying on carrying on and we spoke about Victoria early on

43:21In a Victor state of Australia they they would lock down the longest in the world Through their premier who I guess the premier is just like you all may you know who runs the state Yeah, he locking down there with the longest in the entire world the poor burgers so he's no he's now not the premier But he's just got he's a the apprentice you know I mean she's she's the and she's just carrying it on now Continuing on so I feel sorry for them down in Victoria but yeah, we all suffered So do you do you think and I know a lot of people in this podcast may not be aware of it but the incident that happened in I did a podcast on the couple years ago 95 96 97 port Arthur Do you think that had to happen in order for them to you know basically take most of your arms and would they have been so draconian if that weren't the case Well I'll stand here with my feet on the ground on my head towards the sky that mountain brine

44:27Not a chance you did that That was from what I read it was it was an American special trained shooters or something that were over here Our prime minister at the time was John Howard I think he was the second longest liberal prime minister in Australia Yeah that that when you look into the credentials and the stories of it like Martin Bryant was half an hour away from where the shooting was happened he was mentally disabled Yeah things like that and that was just just a just a thing to happen to take the guns office No doubt and I know I'm glossing over all the you know in a parts of the story but I really welcome people to really read into that and that was probably in my time the first one of Yeah, they've done something in order to make them all powerful I suppose the government we've just had one in Bondi

45:27I think December 17th the year just going 25 where a couple of Islamic guys have just let loose on some like a Jewish celebration of Bondi beach And then all of a sudden a week later we've got all these hate speech laws which come out and you can't write 150 pages of legislation within a week You know so here's another thing of just just get just question it people how can the government come together and write this whole legislation 150 plus pages within a week or two You know it's just it just can't happen so these were written they've created this scenario and I have and my best wishes well best wishes I feel sorry for all those who lost their lives But it just seems it was they've created the problem and I he's the solution Yep, you know good people are probably good people are probably lost their lives there you know what I mean for the government in order for the government to be able to do this It's terribly sad so yeah I'm really I'm wondering if something's going to go down here the same type of thing whether it's a port Arthur or a Bondi or a combination of both

46:38I'm talking of as far as the outcome whether it's to take your gums or to completely ban certain aspects of our free speech I think this year You know you see all of a sudden we're taking over Cuba Greenland we're dropping bombs in Iran Turkey It's like we're really accelerating toward this one world government and people are buying into the whole narrative We either have to love Trump or you have to hate Trump they they can't see that there's actually a third option where you just walk away from it all And and people still buy into the lesser evil lesser evil is still evil and that's the other big thing that I'm trying to get people to understand is you just don't have one of the other That's part of the illusion and going back to the suspension of disbelief you have to snap out of the matrix you know put on the sunglasses and see what this world's really about And and that's that's true of it in our in our voting system we all it's compulsive we have to vote in our system or I think we get a 22 dollar fine or something like that

47:47But how our systems made up is is it's a preference system so even if you vote for the person you like they make you their preference to the guy you don't like in the major party So it's it's doubly hard to vote the right way because not only got a vote for who you feel you got to make sure that person passes their vote on a preference to the government Which you think is the lesser of two evils at the end of the day And we've got a third party coming up at the moment who really shakings and trees and yeah all of a sudden they start talking about everything's about her now like Paul Enhancing everything's about how bad she is and how this and how that you know so if you just sit back and watch you just see how this all works They don't want her to be that high in the polls so they just start discrediting her And once things start getting discredited it makes me probably think hey I might I might read into this a bit more you know I mean is the major party's hatred for a reason and have hated it for 20 years

48:50So I think the average the average average Aussie made is just how to gutful of liberal or labor and you know the what's that phrase you use the other day Left and right are just two wings of the same bird two wings of the same corrupt bird. Yep. Yeah, yeah, so And they don't want a third one up there put it that way. Yeah, and now is she the redhead leader of the red note one nation, right? Yes, yes, that's exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But there's hell of a lot of in Australia We have the luxury of being able to see into the future and what I mean by that is we watch what happens in in your country Or we hear or we watch ship back and watch what's happening in England because they're the two mages I would say And we can see how you guys have messed up in things to be done and it didn't work or it did work and and we still don't take that on board You know I mean we we had the vision you guys try something and it doesn't work so logic would say hey we won't do that Yeah, because it doesn't work, but we still go and do it anyway. Yeah, I look at look at England rate. It's a basket case. Yeah, yeah at the moment

49:56And that's coming that's coming to Australia without a shadow of it out. Yeah, so be prepared. I think Yeah, some of the some of the stories you read from over there is just terrible just yeah Everybody. Oh, I don't know. So I've got I've got thoughts and feelings on it, but yeah, it's probably. Yeah, you just like the average. You know, you hear of you know the pensioners the older English Kind of forward or even Australian pensioners, they can't afford to heat heat houses and cooler houses and things like that These are people who paid tax forever. Yeah, you know, I mean and they I mean they should they should be they should be given the red carpet rolled out. They should at the end of the day. Cost of living is is going up three times as faster than the actual pension the adjustable, you know, I think they got this year 2.1% Or something, but you know the cost of living rose by 10%. So it's impossible. I get emails all the time, bro.

50:59One month or they're skipping their car insurance to pay their medicine. This month they're skipping their medicine to pay their tax. It's awful, man. And I'm lucky enough to not, you know, and I'm blessed that I'm not in that position, you know, but I'm. It's just it just breaks your heart when you when you read stories like that, you know, and and then you put yourself in the position that imagine being the older. One of the older folk where you just you just got to put another blanket on because you can't. Yeah, you know, or you're missing. A meal. Yeah, because you can't afford anything. It's just and then you just get these politicians on this on this on the on the camera and you just sit there and smile about things, you know, I mean, how good things are going. You know, so I'm sure their parents are gone through that put it that way. So no, my wife gets she gets angry every paycheck. She pays a lot of taxes and then you you see that, you know, we're paying for much, if not most of Israel's health care.

52:06Would they have this universal health care system and on and on and on and it's just like, you know, it goes back to what you're saying we have people in our own country who can't make ends meet. It's just so frustrating and there's a pastor I listened to out of Florida and he he straight up. He's like, listen, I pay taxes. I don't like to. But he says, you know, use every legal loophole you possibly can because it is frustrating to know that if you don't pay this money, you're going to go to jail or get fined levied whatever you're going to you're going to be harassed. But you know, when you do pay that money, it's going to to, you know, evil thing to building bombs to foreign health care systems to people who aren't really our friends. It's just just a crazy system. It's not funny. It's just only that there's they show showing a picture of them. Tel Aviv, I think some bombs being dropped on it, but there's another story where it's happening enough, but they said, lucky, lucky I drink.

53:10I drink out of a, or a paper straw. The paper on the back, they're bumming. And it's just that's just speaks a million words. That one, that one picture and we're going back, I'll go back to it again. There's a lot of people just stop and think for a moment. Yeah, you're drinking out of a soggy straw, but I don't know what a cost to launch a launcher missile or you know, I must, yeah, it's more than a couple bucks, obviously. But that's a robbing take care of that, but you can't drink it out of your paper straw. Yeah, because you'll save the world. Yeah, the government said, you know, I have to use a paper straw to save the environment. And then the bottom says, meanwhile, the government and the environment that shows the bomb going off. It's my sister sent me that yesterday. It's spot on paper straw. It's just another mockery of us, you know, sipping putting a piece of paper in. Yeah, it is. And I'm not sure in, in the States, but in Australia, we went through this thing where you have to pay 10 cents for a plastic bag at the shops.

54:11Yeah, the carrier, you know, shopping and so on. But then you walk, you walk around the shops and everything's got like wrapped in plastic, but I've got to pay 10 cents at the end for the. But this is what I'm thinking about thinking they're just, they're just pulling the, no, they're making the mockery of us all of us. So it's some people just lucky enough to be, well, they call them an NPC. Yeah, or something. They really believe they're out there just going through life. And I reckon I'm related to some, but, you know, ignorance is bliss. And sometimes you sit back and you go, geez, I wish I was one of them at times. You know, so, but not not all the time. I wouldn't tell anybody that so that's our secret. So yeah, just like 10 cents for a bag. And I think that's stopped now. But you know, you just walk around there and say, how much plastic is just everything is wrapped up in, but we have to pay 10 cents for them. Well, here, that's something that they've normalized. And that was one of the things they've normalized the door dashes. They normalized Amazon for everything.

55:12They normalized zoom meetings working from home. And it's here still many of the stores. If you want a bag, you have to pay 10 cents for a bag or bring your own. And, but for the last 200 years, when you went shopping, they provided a bag. It's another way to get over on you and mock you. Yeah, I was just, I was so pleased to see that Amazon and all that didn't go bankrupt during COVID day. They were able to keep trading. That was a relief. You know, whoo. Geez, I'm glad, you know, the poor old mom and dad corner take away shop. They weren't allowed to open it. But you fill yourself up with macas. That's all good. There's another thing where people like think about it for a second. But, oh, anyway, that's, yeah, it's just good to see all bays. Those couldn't go to go in the space with those women and things like that. So people at money going. So, you know, it's a crazy old place we live in. This is one of the things I was excited to talk about. And I always say the one reason I still leave and kind of ponder this theory is because I met,

56:12I've said this before, I met Hillary Clinton in October of 2002. And I shook her hand. I was being a good soldier. I was told to go over and be part of the group that shook her hand. And she had the coldest, clammyest hand that I've ever tied. I can still think to this day and kind of get the hibi jibis thinking about it. And you mentioned in your thing. And when I said, hey, what other conspiracy theories are, quotes that, you know, that you're interested in. And you mentioned that the governments in general are being controlled by elites and they are reptilians. And, you know, there's a lot of, I mean, you, that's one of those rabbit holes you can get in. Not necessarily on YouTube, but like rumble and other sites. And you can spend for next thing, you know, it's 48 hours later and you're questioning everything. But what are your thoughts on that? And what kind of led you to believe was a David Iker? What got you thinking about that? Well, I, I speak to, I speak to a medium whose English. And he's pretty good mates with David Iker.

57:14So he was probably the one that introduced me to David. But I, I, I, I respect a lot that he writes and has written previous to like I reckon the mid 90s. But when people start to become really popular and I hope he's not this, when people become popular, I start to steer away a little bit. You know, I think people become popular for a reason, I guess. But it's like a band of bands always got really good music until I hit that, you know, that popularity in my, in my opinion. And I think David Ike had a hell of a lot of good stuff, you know, prior to that. And, and if he's listening this, listening this, I'm not saying he is controlled. All I'm saying is you, to me, the kind of personality I am, it got a little bit e become too big. Like, like Tommy Robinson, I think he's in America at the moment, the English fella.

58:14And, yeah, just, I think he's a patriot through and through. But I don't know, just this, when the mainstream media aren't being very, very horrible to you, they start to almost agree with you. To me, alarm bells go off. I'm not suggesting they are this at all. But, yeah, that's just, and I know I'm not the only one that starts to think like that. So, going back to the reptilian, there, there has to be, like, I don't really have an answer for that. Like, I'm probably like a lot of people, I've got 35, 40 years, the 30 years of, of always reading stuff, you know what I mean. And I think since the, since about 2020, I don't think you can read anything. You just had to, you've had to create that system within yourself when I read something. Not that gut feeling from everything you've read, that whether this is right or whether it's wrong, or whether it's worth pursuing or not to read about. But I think the people who become, they've become aware after 2020, I don't think they've had the time to build that up within, whatever that is within themselves.

59:23You just get that thing in your gut where you go, yeah, geez, I reckon that's right, you know, you know what I mean. And going back to the reptilian, whatever they are, the elites, there, there's no empathy. And that's just, they just can't be human. But this, like, you could take somebody who's a horrible murderer, but you'd probably be really kind to an animal. So, there is some form of empathy there, it doesn't make you a good person, I'm just saying. But these higher powers, mate, they just, there's, there's just no empathy in them at all. Yeah, that's the question I've always asked for years is how can someone like, you know, George Bush by all accounts, you don't lose any sleep. Just went to bed that night, lucky Larry Silverstein and Howard Luck and all these people who just happened to miss work for the first time. The Clintons, you know, all the body count there. And that's the thing I just don't get even hardened criminals.

1:00:24It seems that as they get older and maybe mature a little bit, they start to show empathy and regret. And, you know, but not with these, they're the same rumsfeld up until he died when he was 88 McCain, all these people. Is it a bloodline thing? Is it, like you said, are they not whole human? Is it more of like a Nephilim thing? But, but there's just, they don't have the switch that we have. Like we get angry and sometimes people, whatever, maybe they're under the influence of something or they just lose it. But normally, they think, oh my goodness, what have I just done? Right? But these people don't, they just go about, they check their, you know, bank accounts and what the next, you know, big thing is. And I, you know, speaking of rumsfeld, I quite often watch that clip of him explaining that these X amount of trillion dollars missing. And I don't, I suppose I go through life, not, I don't believe what comes out of somebody's mouth.

1:01:25I believe how they deliver, you know, like their energy and how they, and how they, they're aura about them. And you're just watching do that. And I find that a particular interest because it's just and there's a nothing. You know, I mean, this is just another day, you know what I mean? If anything, he's probably they're going, it's taken away from his lunchtime or something like he's, you know, but there's, there's just zero empathy, zero embarrassment, zero anything. You know, we're on to to say that that like does that number exist? You know, that's such a big number. I don't know, it was a two trillion or three trillion or something. It was $2.3 trillion dollars. And they, he announced that one September 10, 2011. Yeah. And there's just zero, zero anything. It was just words out of his mouth. So you're not human at all. And you're a part of the, you're part of the same bloodline. Definitely is, is, is all women. I think. I think America's in focus because he's got a lot of things like that going on.

1:02:25Because he's probably are at the top of when it comes to the world. So there's a lot of magnifying glasses on you guys. But I don't think it's too far away before. And it's sort of starting now or even the average Australian is starting to shift. Focuses shift focus of not that we don't care what happened to JFK. But to me, that's probably settled how that happened. You know what I mean? It's not the story they tell you. But the focus is shifting. We're starting to look at our own things now. Yeah. You know, I mean, because not that we're tired, but we've heard all the stories of what happens in America. If you know what I mean, where people start to really question things that happen. Like we had a, a prime minister, Harold Holt, who just went out swimming. I think it was in Melbourne itself and just disappeared. You know what I mean? And, you know, and this guy is a, a seasoned spearfisher. You know what I mean? And just all of a sudden just disappeared. Now, we've got plenty of theories going on like that. But things like that weren't in focus.

1:03:25Now, until a few years ago, you know, I thought so people are just starting to shift focus and have a look at our own backyard. I reckon so. Hang on to your hats and you mentioned Paul Arthur. You know, that's always a fairly hot topic. But I'll sit back by some, start eating some popcorn. And I think I got some interesting times. I think I would come in with Australia when people start just awakening themselves. So yeah, I agree. I wasn't aware of the Harold Holt story. This happened, I guess, back in the 60s. Yeah, 60, 68. I think that's. Oh, here it is. December 17th, 1967, he was presumed dead. Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm headed out for a swim. And yeah, he's stories where the Chinese sub went and got him submarine and took you away. And all this, but I just, I don't know this. I know I just don't know a hell of a lot about the story at this stage,

1:04:28but something just doesn't sit. Well, you know, and I've got about 48,000 other rabbit holes to go down. And that's in line, you know, I've been, you know, been, been 51. I'm not running out of time, but time is of the essence, I think. But yeah, we've, we've, the average Australian started to shift to our own, you know, to our own sort of theories. So we've got a, there's a list of 28 high-profile people in Australia who are pedophiles. And the government has a few years ago. We're legislated. They can't be released for 99 years. The names on that. So, so people have got hold of that. They call it the 28. Well, I think it's all politicians is, like judges and things like that, and they won't release it for 99 years. If it's not true, why do we have to wait 99 years? You know what I mean?

1:05:28So that just gets, that just gets people going, well, hang on. You know, something's going on here, for sure. But like, was it a pan-bondi, I think, I think that's how you pronounce it, pan-bondi, she said if we released all the names, you know, the country would go up in flames or words that affect. And that's probably true. But that should be more of the reason to do so. Because you're supposed to be, as part of the government, you're supposed to be more transparent. The rules should apply more to you, but it's the other way around. You're worried about the country. It's probably questionable whether you're, uh, everybody's gone downhill. Everybody at this stage. But I think it's probably a case of, I don't know, we're pretty, I'm so proud to be in Australia, but I'm kind of a little bit embarrassed about the government at the moment. Shall we say? I think that's most people around the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. And he's, I don't know, I'll say one thing for you.

1:06:30You look at Kirstama, you look at Alf, Alfella, Anthony Albanese. There, there's not a whole lot of testosterone going in there. You know what I mean? Um, but, but you can't help but look at your president. Um, and you just go, man, like him, I love him. There's just a whole lot of testosterone going on. Like, that, you know, that's just kind of how blokes are. You know, I'm not saying about he's what he does or this, that the other. But he walks in a room and there's a presence. You know, the people know he's there. How's it just, you know, and I bring, you know, bring England into this too. It's just not somebody you look up to and just go, hey, he's, he's got some balls. You know what I mean? Prince Charles doesn't exactly ooze machismo. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Oh my god. Anyway, there's a, there's, there's another reptilian there for you. Yeah. Um, there's, there's a reason why poor old Princess Diana, um, he's not around these days. So, you know, but, you know, I heard a joke.

1:07:31That comedian, Jimmy Cowell, we, my wife and I went and saw him the other week and he said, like, it's because if Princess Diana's crash was true, well, it can't be because, yeah, um, Princess Andrew hasn't been in all expenses. I trip to Paris yet, you know. But I think, I think the poor old lady knew a bit more than what you probably showed. Oh, yeah. She knew too much in a cluster. And if you, I did a podcast on it years ago, it was a ritual as much. If you look at the timing of it, the name of the bridge, it hit the 13th column. It was much as a ritual as anything else. And the number plate probably says something numerology in it too. Somewhere along the lines too. Yes. And on that, on that conversation, Toby, I love the belief she's, she probably is still alive. She's just not here. Yeah, you can't move that out. Absolutely. Yeah. Um, I still believe there's a hell of a lot going on over the ice wall with it without a shadow of it out. Um, I, I'm of, of, I don't know, my, my thoughts of a flat earth, sort of change.

1:08:38I still believe it's flat earth with the, yeah, you go through that thing where you think it's a massive plane. And every one of our, our earth is a bay and these, it's just like a pepperoni pizza. You know, there's a whole heap of them, you know, spread around the thing. But then you've, then you've got one where we're just, yeah, I don't know. I don't know where I'm at at the moment, but I just know we're on a flat plane. You know, and as I said, I'm not a religious person, but my, my younger two girls are really teaching me in that area. I sit back and I listen. Um, and that, that book, when I say the book, I mean, the Bible, that, that's written with flat earth in mind. Absolutely. Yeah. You know, it may or may not say it, but, you know, it's, it's there about, you know, when you, when you sit back and think about what's, what's been read. Or said, sorry. Yeah. And when somebody says you have to take the Bible for what it's worth. And then you show them, Josh, what 1013, and then they start to, well, you know, they start to play the, they didn't know. The folks back then knew much more than we do today. They knew how everything operated. They knew if they had a certain illness, they knew exactly which spice, which they were so in touch with the world.

1:09:45We've, we've become, especially since the age of technology, we've become so disconnected. Even most of the clothes we wear are, are bad for us. And you're sort of similar age to me. Firstly, when I was a kid, I only, I only sort of grew up with about three t-shirts and two pairs of shorts. Yeah. And that didn't make us poor. That just made us, we only needed, we only got what we needed. That's right. You know, but I'd look at walking to any of the girls' rooms and they just covered the stuff. You know what I mean? And I'm as guilty as the next flight that, you know, it's probably, no doubt it's really, it's all bad for you. But you just can't afford the cotton stuff. Yeah. At all. And when you're sort of housing a few kids here, the expense is a little bit more, but that's not a winger about that. But if you could, you would, you sort of just can't. Yeah. They just close, close from everywhere. If you want your eyes open, go, go shop for linen clothes.

1:10:48Yes. $70, $80 for shirt. Yeah. And, and even, and even that in the conspiracy-minded like us, try to why I start thinking of myself, is it, is it linen? You know what I mean? Like, is, um, am I getting what I'm paying for? Do you really know if it's, yeah, I don't know if it's linen or not. It's, it's got a label says linen. I suppose it is. Maybe in a way, it is probably the best thing, but the worst thing is ever happen to me mentally, you know. And you don't want to question everything, but you get to this point, you think, no, it's make it just so goddamn easy. Yeah. You know, I mean to go, that's not how it is, you know, at all. We're dealing with 70, oh, I'd like somebody to prove me wrong, but I had 70 plus percent. I just make it up the numbers. Yeah. And you got to be, you got to be on, you got to be on your game to find out who it is. It's no point sitting there spinning an hour of your, air of your life arguing with somebody who has no soul. You know, because you've just wasted yourself an hour, upset yourself and you walk away cranky.

1:11:49I mean, it's got time for that. Yeah, exactly. That's, and that's my point when I come down to this. You can't let it stress you out. That, because when that happens, then they win. But it, there's a whole different animal of saying you need to be cognizant of it. Don't be a part of the system. Share your knowledge, but don't lay awake at night. You know, wondering if a nuclear missile is going to hit you or reptilians are going to take you away or you're going to get abducted by UFO. Live your life knowing that you know that, you know, all the worlds of stage and all the actors, you know, all the players on that stage or actors. And we live, like you said, we live in a fake world, man. We really do. And it isn't where, and we're just, we're just the audience. We try not to be the audience, but yeah. Now, just go back to a question of yours. For you, with your life, is there something as you sit here now that you would change? You mean going forward or from the, from the past previously? No, no, because even like I get all the time, you know, don't you regret being in the military?

1:12:51Well, if I said yes, that meant I would have never met my wife. I wouldn't have my two daughters. I would have had the wisdom I have today. So I'm at the point now that I understand that God, I believe God made me walk the route I did for me to understand the things I do today. If I didn't, if I just worked at a factory from nine to five for 30 years, I'd probably be still watching television coming home drinking a bear at night and just doing that cycle. That's true, and I was very, I didn't use the word regret because I believe if you, if you, people say, I you should live your life without regret. If you haven't had regret, you haven't lived in my opinion, you know, but I, and the Bible that you read is the question I want to ask you. Do you think that is the complete Bible? I think everything in that book is pertinent. All 66 books are absolutely pertinent. And, you know, whether it's the, you know, the tour of the first five chapters, Psalms, Proverbs, you know, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, you know, they're kind of a trio.

1:13:54And then John is so important. Now, you know, are there books left out of some of the apocryphal books? I think first Enoch could, could very well. I think jasher could be well because even jasher is mentioned in the verse we bring up all the time. It says, as written in the book of jasher. So, you know, you know, we live in a, in a time when everything is manipulated. There's a probably a good chance. The timeline. Obviously, I think we used to be 13 months, 28 days. And if you look at a turtle shell, that tells you exactly. I think that's part of the creation. And I think they do that to kind of keep people off balance. I think there is something to like a synergy in keeping people with the daylight savings being shifted all the time. And that keeping us off balance. But, you know, that's, that's a question you could really ponder and get into.

1:14:54And you'd have to go through every single book. Well, this part's good. This part's not, you know, I, you know, being in seminary, we're taught that's canon. And some professors say, you know, you should look at some of the books and some say you shouldn't. I think it's an individual thing. I mean, look, we have one book, one, the Bible again. And we have 10,000 different religions and denominations based around it. And that's because everybody perceives it differently. Some people don't want to address their sins. So they create a denomination that where it's okay to have your sin. It's, it's, it's really a loaded question. And, you know, I'm at the point now that, you know, that's the book. And everything in there is what you need to, you know, to be saved, to become a disciple, create disciples. And, you know, obviously, Revelation and Daniel, people have different views on that as well, pre-trib and all of that. But, you know, there's over 783,000 words in that book.

1:15:54And we all perceive things differently. That's why some of us are Republicans, some of us Democrats, some of us aren't in the system at all, like ourselves. And it's just really interesting to see, I tell people this all the time. And that's, there's 340 million people in this country. But you can only be red or blue. And it's such a genius strategy. And when you attach the financial aspect to it to the matrix, it's, it's, it's, it's how they control us. So that goes back to what you said that it took you so long to find a church. It took me five years to find a church. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're going to take on somebody who, I suppose, you, you, you're jailed with, I suppose, too, isn't it? Yeah. It's, and that's why I encourage people. If you can't find a church, I'm not saying start, go out and start digging and building your own church, but you can certainly have a church in your home. But it's important to fellowship with like-minded people.

1:16:54And I hope people are able to, and that's why I've been more open about these things. Because I've built, since I've found a church, I've started to build a more local community, and more like-minded people. And I think that's going to be important, Travis, when here in the near future, things kind of do go sideways. And maybe those of us who are not going to be part of the system going forward will have to be looking out for each other. Yeah, and that, that is true. And, and going back to, I've mentioned a couple of times not being religious, but it's not say, I don't, I believe there's a creator, but, but I just haven't been pushed down. Yeah. I suppose I've just left that there hanging, hanging on the shelf at the moment. I'll get to that and I'll work out where it is, but you've got to, you've got to believe things happen for reason. I think my daughter's found, I asked them this morning, I said, when just, when just fine, God.

1:17:55And they said, 2018, and I said, why did you just, why did you find it? And he said, because it just, they both said it just connected with them. We're talking 2018, sort of seven years ago, eight years ago. One, one of them was three years old, and the other one was probably five years old. You know, and they're, they're bringing out words like those are the connected ones. So that, that must mean something. Yeah, maybe that's, that's probably why I've, I listened to when they start talking about it, because maybe they are my, my, my carriage into that. You know, I mean, and I just feel everything happens for reasons. So we might, obviously you're going to want to have me on because I'm going to be such a hit with the podcast, right? And we, when we say, when we speak in a, in a year's time, what's on like that? I might be, I might become, complete, completely converted into, you know, I might have read the Bible. Oh, Jesus, I probably take me about a year to read it. There's a few pages in there. So everything has for reason, mate. I believe it. So I actually just today, just today, March the 6th, finished my, I have one more edit to go,

1:19:02but it's a book called, you're not, well, I'm not going to give the title out quite yet. But I finished a book and I'm going to, I'm going to mail you a copy. What is there? And it's basically one of the biggest problems the church has is once people are saved, it's, it's kind of like a what now. And many of the churches around here don't nurture and kind of develop people with discipleship. And it's, it kind of correlates to flat earth because go back to your, was it your son or your daughter had that incident at school? That was my daughter daughter. Yeah. And it's the same thing. People get saved. They get excited and they go out and they witness the gospel. And then they get asked a question. They don't know how to answer. And then that they withdraw. And it's the same thing when we come on to flat earth, right? We get very excited. We can't wait to tell our friends and our family. You're not, you're not going to believe this. And then they're like, oh, look, I got to go George.

1:20:02Well, I'll see you later. And they lead you like, what, what did I say? And it goes hand in hand. So it's more of a, it's maybe a 60 or 70 page book. And it's just kind of to guide brand new people who, who found the Lord and just kind of a way to go and not to feel bad, not to bury yourself because you let the Lord down. I'll talk more in this in another week or two about the book. But I think it's important to, you know, there's something to, they call baby truthers. And you have to be careful with your emotions and not to, that first time you get rejected, not to just go into your shell and, and to, to forget about it. You're, you're going to have, I mean, what percentage of people would you say that you presented this information to actually reacted positive to it? First time? I might ever be less than 10%. Exactly. Right. Right. And it's the same way when my buddy and I are going around passing out Bible tracks.

1:21:03They're like, all right, buddy, have a good day. Thanks, though. And it's the same way. It's, you, you have to, you have to get used to rejection. And the ultimate truths like that, whether it's Christ or whether it's, you know, biblical cosmology, true worth, flat earth, whatever you want to call it. You know, you're going to get rejected like that and you have to have thick skin. And, you know, the Bible tells us that if you follow Christ, you're going to be persecuted, you know. In this world we live in, that is full of evil. We see it every single day. You know, we send our youngest. And if you think about it, it's a sacrifice to Moloch. They send these young 18, 19 year old children. It doesn't matter if it's Russia, Ukraine, United States, Iran, all of them. And we're sending all these children off to die. And if you look at World War II, brother, how many Christians were killing Christians for, for all those years? Send the best men away. Yeah. And it's all the while these evil, evil people were just coming up with headlines to get people more, you know,

1:22:07amped up to send their children off to fight these wars. And again, this is coming for somebody who served for 24 years in saw combat. But I think you're starting to see veterans. And it just happened again today, another old guy, we're getting tired of this cycle. It's been gone on for 35 years of sending our young ones off to die for other countries. And I think it's going to take some good men, some good veterans to stand up and say enough is enough. Whether or not that's enough or not, who knows. But I'm just glad people are starting to speak out. I think where, I think I think our intelligence probably scares them to be honest with you. They just can't, they just can't get us to have a role on here because we're, we're being around for a while. And I just, I just, they just know we're too smart. Yeah. The downfall will happen pretty quick with all that. I think the break you're talking about some, some bloke in a court or something. The thing he says is an ex-marine and they, and he got up and said stop, stop sending. No one wants to fight for Israel. And they kicked him out of that courthouse break.

1:23:08And I break his arm or something. Unbelievable. Yeah. Fancy. How's your freedom of speech going? Yeah. So it's. I don't know. I think we've got, I'm so positive though. I think it's going to get a bit worse before it gets better. I think on the other side. Yeah, you see, I smile like a Cheshire cat here at the moment because I, I can, I just can feel it in me cup. It is going to, it's going to be, it's going to be bliss on the other side here. Absolutely. So I'm not losing faith in the whole thing. He's going to ride this storm. Yep. At the end of the day because he's, you know, he's, he's sunny days on the other side, I believe. And you feel that one most definitely. And that's what I put across to the. Everyone in my household, you know what I mean? It's, we've just come through rough patch. But, you know, don't think it's so just down about the whole thing because if you wake, if you wake up tomorrow, it's another day and we move forward. So, you know, just don't, if you get kicked down, just get back up because that's what they don't want you to do.

1:24:08I think they wrote a song about that, right? I get knocked down, but I get up again. It's going to be everybody's head the rest of the day. You're welcome. I was, I was about to branch off into a song and singing it myself. Only that one to you. You've probably got a bit of voice. There you go. But we're just about out of time. And by the way, folks, I was a little behind it. I appreciate Travis's patience. Got about a 10 minute late start. It's been one of those days. But, man, this has been such a good conversation. We covered such a, a gambit of topics. One thing before I give you the last word, I always like to ask people what your kind of six silver bullets are. If you only have a few minutes with somebody, you just want to leave them with some breadcrumbs. What are your most solid proofs of a flat earth? My, my, my, my most solid proof to flat earth is I know it to be true. You know what I mean? So it doesn't, it doesn't matter what, what Joe blow says to me, you know, to try this and I looked it up on Google last night.

1:25:15How do you, how do we know the, the earth is flat and just some of the stuff they come up with? Yeah. And I did purposely do it through Google because I knew it would be so anti-flight earth. But that would probably encompass all six of my little gen is because I just know it's the truth. You know, and it doesn't, to me, it doesn't matter what, what examples you come up with. You know, like we get to speak about, spoke about for like a lighthouse. How does a lighthouse work? And if it's not for throwing a light out, how did, like, what was it used for? You know, these things just in the pee, you know, that brings up another question. How does radar work? Why do the, what was the British Airlines plane, which is to fly pretty quick? And they got rid of that. I can't remember the call, but anyway, somebody will probably let us know what it is. Um, everything just not, just, I don't, I don't have six. It just doesn't work, George. Yeah.

1:26:15And we, and I spoke about the, what the lovely wife said to me before that she just, it's just too simple for it not to be true. You know, we're going to house down the coast and when we go down there, it's quite a big partly ocean we can see from the, from the, from the cliff top. And, and I don't know how far that span is, but it's probably like a hundred, like, 180, hundred and sort of 60 degree span you can see. And that's what I say to the kids. We would be able to see some curvature by now, not just left to right curvature, but over the top, you know, going past, because there aren't a severe, you know. So, um, and I go back to again, I don't, I don't really have six that come to mind because it's, it's, it's, the glow just doesn't exist. You know, I really, really don't. And, and I don't, when, when they come across somebody, I just don't argue with them. I might drop a little bit of a, you know, a little bit of a bomb here and there.

1:27:15You know what I mean, to let people know what you're about. And some people take the bait and you just sort of don't really say a hell of a lot anyway. You're just saying, yeah, okay, I've got you. But yeah, don't, don't really have six. I just know it's to be true. Yeah. And, and even if I could rather six off, but it's not six that every other, every other guest hasn't had it because we're, because it's just all the same. Right. Isn't it? And it's not a curvature. Just like that. Yeah. Yeah. Flight path is just that one. That's undeniable. Sure. Case closed. Absolutely. Case closed. So, um, yeah. And it's, and I think another one is, I didn't want to mention it because it's another podcast. David Wise, he, yeah, he even put a Bitcoin on it if somebody could prove that the earth is round. And it's, by all accounts, it's still available. Yeah. Yeah. Wouldn't NASA like to come and prove you wrong? Or, you know, somebody, you know, so. And while that's still standing, it probably speaks volumes. It does.

1:28:15It really does. And it's, it's one of the greatest deceptions. And again, if you want to know how big a truth is, just judge it by the reaction when you mention it to people. And it's, you know, you, you can see that today on two or three different things as well. It's. And the kind of like what you said, the longer you are a flat earther, it just becomes normal. Right. Yeah. Just like what, you know, the rain or anything else. It's, it's just. I've made it. And it. And if somebody's against it or not with one, you, you use as an advantage. You're just going to carry on. He's not one of my people. So you move on. You don't waste time. Yeah. So it's like a time saving thing as well. So he dropped a little truth on there. And if they hook on to it and want to. And you can see that they're not really with him. You move on and you have a wasted an hour of your day. He's talking to somebody over there. So. And it's just a life I've. Probably lived, you know, because of my father. Yeah.

1:29:15And sometimes you're cursing for it. I don't need to question everything. But, um, but it says it's, it's put me in places where I'm out at the moment. And yeah, you meet some really good people. Talk to some good people. Um, say, good with the bell. I suppose. Take it. There you go. That's been a great conversation. This 90 minutes have absolutely flown by. And we need to definitely connect again in the future and see where you're at. And. You know, it's going to be very interesting to see where the world is at a year from now. And. Yeah, everything. And I look at my list of things. I've probably got about 45,000 other things to bring up. But I guess 90 minutes is 90 minutes, isn't it? Um, but now it's been a, it has made it's been it. It's been a pleasure. I've been looking forward to this. Uh, I really have. Um, if there was a poster, I'd get it autographed and put on me. We're all made of you. So. Um, you. You've been, you've been a great listen. And I really appreciate that. It's been so nice to meet you and definitely stay in touch.

1:30:15And, um, we definitely need to come back again, cover those other 45,000 things. And everybody says the same thing. They have all the notes and they're worried they're not going to be able to talk long enough. And at the end, they're like, I still have all this. It goes by really fast. Yeah, well, my wife actually said, I feel sorry for George because he's going to have to try and shut you up. And I probably, it's probably the truth. But I, when you're on it, when you're with a like-minded person or people, um, you just feel a bit of, I like a comfort level. You know, I mean, like, you know, they may not think that there's reptilians out there, but they're awake. And so they'll listen to you. You know, maybe that takes a little bit of the edge of the conversation off. So. Um, yeah. And it's a good community. And it's getting bigger. It is. And most, most definitely getting bigger and going back to it. Um, Christianity. I read in Australia is going through the roof for the younger generations too. At the moment. Same here. And we're on pace. I mean, how our whole structure in Australia was based off that. So it can't be a bad thing.

1:31:15So, uh, bring it on. So. Brother, it was so nice to meet you, man. And, uh, my love to you and your family. And again, let's catch up in the future. And Lord Willen someday I get down there. Uh, I'd love to check out your house on the beach. You did the only one. Um, All right. Thank you, George. Thank you, George. Thank you, George. Thank you, Todd. Thank you, brother. God bless you all. Thank you for your continued support. Uh, again, if you're interested in joining us like Travis did today send us, uh, an email it is f e files guest at gmo.com. Again, that is f e files guest at gmail.com for Travis. I'm George. God bless you. Keep your head on a swivel and Christ in your heart. And until we meet again, my friends, we will see you. I know you've had some pain. I know you feel tired.

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