
About this episode
The conversation around AI in talent acquisition often focuses on incremental improvements and point solutions – better job descriptions, faster candidate matching, or automated interview scheduling. But this limited view dramatically underestimates the fundamental transformation that's already underway. While many are still debating whether AI is overhyped, there is growing evidence that it is actually significantly underhyped, with implications far beyond what most TA leaders are preparing for.
So, how can TA move beyond tactical AI implementations to develop the strategic capabilities that will soon be essential?
My guest this week is Jonathan Kestenbaum, Managing Director of Tech Strategy at AMS and a long-time trusted authority in work tech innovation. Jonathan cuts through the noise to explain why current industry discussions around AI are missing the bigger picture – a future where talent acquisition transforms into strategic orchestration and the way organizations attract and deploy talent is fundamentally reshaped .
In the interview, we discuss:
The unprecedented speed of change compared to previous tech cycles
The current AI use cases that hint at a much more significant transformation ahead
Why recruitment processes need a complete redesign, not just automation
The split between humans and machines and the impact on jobs
Skills based firing
Moving from talent acquisition to talent orchestration
What do TA Leaders need to do right now
What does the TA Tech stack of the future look like
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