EP 392 | Ex Marine: Michael Selig | Alien Manipulation & Deep State Deceit | Exposing a Covert Evil

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1:04getaway. Hey guys, welcome back to the show, a quick announcement before we get started. Our Hawaii conference is coming up in April of next year if you're interested in joining us on the Big Island for a vacation slash conference slash retreat. You can find all that information at JourneyToTruth.online, get your ticket now. Tickets are very limited and if you want your spot, I would get that locked in preferably before the end of the year. It's a big trip and it takes a lot of planning. So we would love to see you there. So today's guest is Michael Seelig. He is a decorated marine jet attack pilot, Netflix showtime filmmaker and author of the

2:08International Besseling Psychological Thriller Hush, which Hush is something we're going to talk about today and basically Hush blends real-world ops insight with pulse pounding fiction to explore alien manipulation, deep state, deception and mind control and why so many impossible events managed to hide in plain sight. So obviously that's the tagline, but I definitely want to get into the alien manipulation, the deep state deception and mind control because that is actually, I mean, that's the war. That's the battle we're all fighting right now and it's very hard to navigate that arena. And I'm just happy to have you here on the show and talk about this. So thanks for being here. I'm honored to be here, Tyler and Aaron. This is great. Yeah. First of all, and we're honored to have you and tell us a little bit about your time in the military. I knew you flew combat missions and desert storm and stuff like that. So maybe you can give us a little background before we move forward. You bet. I got out of college in 85, the University of Arkansas and went into flight training for

3:11the Marines and that is basically Navy flight training. All Marines go through Pensacola. So we're basically, we're in Navy flight training school for the whole thing. So I went to Pensacola, was selected for jets, then went to BVL Texas for my kind of intermediate advanced jet training. I flew T2 buckais. I think was the first carrier jet that I landed on and then the A4 Skyhawk was the advanced jet trainer. That used to be what the Blue Angels flew before they got F-18s, right? It was the A4 Skyhawk kind of one of my favorite birds, that and the F4 were always my favorites. I love the F-18, but those older birds were kind of fun. So then I was selected to fly A6 and Truders for the Marines, which is a all-weather attack jet. And I eventually went to desert storm with my squadron. We flew combat missions every night of the war.

4:12And then during that time, I was a squadron intelligence officer, and excuse me, take a quick sip. And during, so during the combat operations, I'm reading the top secret intelligence briefs that are coming through our squadron, right, which are worldwide briefs about kind of what's all going on in military, but also stuff specifically for our squadron. And I'm flying combat missions, and then I'm watching CNN at the base on the southern tip of Bahrain at the same time. So it was kind of a wild experience to see like what the public was getting, which is what I'm reading, and then what I'm actually doing, you know, and then I flew for a total of eight years and then went into filmmaking and writing, and that's what I've been doing ever since. This is my first novel, but I've written screenplays for so many years. So I'm a storyteller at the base of all of it. It's all about story. I just think that's the most fun thing that it is. Right.

5:12So this book is, it's a fiction book, but it's rated in truth, right? Yeah. So I'm a fanatical hardcore researcher. This book took three years, and it's basically your covert history from about the 40s all the way up past Roswell, and this is the first in a series that I'm doing. And basically I'll take a historical event. Let's just say Roswell. And I am, like I said, fanatical about research. So I make sure that if there's 20 people that have talked about, they saw an alien, I research all of them. I figured out, you know, I've tried to find out what time do they see them. If other people said they were with that person, like I'm just fanatical about trying to nail down as close as I can get to the truth. Once it feels that I have a scene happening and I'm starting to feel like, oh, I kind of have a sense of this evolution that this person and two other people were at this crash event and they saw army guys and they were threatened and this occurred and they were

6:13a little girl and now they're older and they've told the same story. If it's in Hush, I may have a fictional character and I may not. If it's James Forstill, it's James Forstill. If it's Ike, it's Ike, but it's me in his shoes trying to understand what it feels like to see his first live or dead alien. But the facts around where he moves, where his convoy goes, where the crash record is, what kind of alien it is, what was the alien wearing, all of that is as hard as I can get to the truth or I should say as close as I can get to the truth. Right. And going back to what you said about being overseas and flying these combat jets and seeing what CNN was saying, like that dichotomy had to be very interesting. So I like to explore a little bit, like what were you seeing, were you seeing outright like blatant lies being put out by the media or no, I don't think it's like that.

7:16I don't. I mean, the one thing I will say is it feels directed from the very top. So that it's not necessarily, I would say it's not even necessarily the strategy of the U.S. government. And I think you guys know that I'm a firm believer that there's a cabal, a small group of individuals that are above all governments that literally run the planet and they can manipulate any government, including ours, they have participants within our government that get paid well to keep their mouths shut and they hand out military contracts worldwide for special access programs and what we call use apps, which is unspecified special access programs or unacknowledged special access programs. And those military contracts are all having to do with alien-related technologies.

8:19But I say that coming back to your question of what were you seeing in the media while you're flying combat missions. It is different. What I'm doing during the combat mission, maybe I'm attacking, so you guys were familiar with the highway to hell, perhaps, I don't know, 1991 might have been before your time. But the highway to hell was, yeah, you were young. So the very first Persian Gulf conflict, you know, Desert Storm, was only an air war, it was 43 days long. We never went in with troops, we certainly had troops there, but by the end of 43 days after, I think, 2000 sorties that were being flown per day. So think B-52s, attack jets like my jet, every kind of aircraft you can imagine was over Iraq 2000 sorties per 24 hours, for 43 days. Though when you say all of the oil wells were burning, all the bridges were destroyed,

9:20all that, just everything was flattened, yeah, that's what that was. And so what the media is putting out is maybe they're showing, you know, a bridge being destroyed here and there, but meanwhile we're bombing tanks and stuff moving south toward Bahrain, and that becomes what's called the highway to hell, which is basically just a massive traffic, just imagine maybe, I don't know, let's say a thousand yards wide of military vehicles traveling tanks, anti-aircraft batteries, troop transports, just, you know, towed artillery, everything you can imagine, they're moving south and we attack the front of it. Well, once it's stopped, it's just kind of a, unfortunately, it's a brutal graveyard after that. It just, you know, it just gets pounded. Right. And so that becomes the famous highway to hell that the media eventually picks up on later. But what I'm watching on CNN during that time when we're, when the highway to hell is physically

10:22happening is, you know, we'll see a bridge blown up or this, that, and the other. And the troop movements were certainly not necessarily accurate to what was occurring. And so I kind of got the impression like, well, it doesn't feel like the military is directing this. And I also had the impression from reading the top secret briefs. I just had a sense, all I can say is I had a sense that there were, there was a level above it all and a strategy above it all that I couldn't figure out at the time. I just knew my, I just, I, a lot of times I'd just go with my intuition with my gut. And my gut was telling me there are, there is a parallel strategy happening here that is not in line with my top secret briefs and not in line with what we're being told, you know, it's, their, Sodom could have nuclear weapons and this, that and the other. And I was, I was confused, but you know, I'm just doing my job on my pilot and, and, you

11:25know, I love the, I love being an American. And we don't always do the right things, but I was into being a pilot and doing what I was supposed to do. And I didn't, you know, question much of the time, but I knew something, something was not on the level. I just knew it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. There's obviously something pulling the strings behind that. And, and wherever that motive is, I guess that's what your research, you know, that's the path you went down, right? You were trying to figure out who's behind this. And then you inevitably came to the conclusion that, you know, there's mind control happening here, mass mind control, in fact. And I know it's something you cover in your book and maybe you can explain how the psychology of that mind control can actually, how, why smart people can, can miss, you know, these truths. Right. So my experience is, and this is the funniest thing, the smarter you are, you know, the harder you fall. And it has been, for me at least, it's been three years of, what do you say, like you have

12:29to go through the five stages of grief, you know, where you realize, wow, I have been completely hoodwinked. I'm 62 for my entire life. I'm convinced there's no Roswell, there's no aliens. You know, I'm, I'm just saying where I was a few years ago, right. And then as my research got deeper and deeper and I realized, oh, my, so then once you start to realize the actual current state of affairs, if there's a secret space program that's not just Navy, it's Air Force, there's a dark fleet. Once you start to realize what is in Hush, which is a fun story. I encourage anybody if you just want to escape your, your, your life and have some fun. The story is intense and it's fun. But what you'll read about is some pretty hardcore stuff that may be your actual reality right now. You know, and we're in the process of filming a very ambitious project on the secret space

13:30program, a documentary. And it's set to release in January and we're covering it from a very level-headed perspective interviewing military people and stuff that, you know, people who have been directly involved and not just these hearsay stories, right. So we're trying and in a whole paper trail of history that you can't ignore once you start looking into it, you find more and more and instead of less and less. So that's kind of where we understand that and I appreciate that you're coming at it from that angle too because I think inevitably if you set all your bias aside and start researching this stuff, you come to these conclusions like, okay, I just don't know anymore. Like there's something far beyond what we're being told here. Yeah. Yeah. And then you start to realize that, well, God, if I'm just now figuring it out and I'm starting to understand the secret space program and then you realize, oh, we were off-world secret space program.

14:31Most of these folks, Tony Rodriguez, Rebecca Rose, who I'm sure you guys are probably starting the interview. Yeah. They're in the book. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they're in the book. I mean, to some extent in the book. You start to realize, well, okay, damn, if they're in space in the eighties, just think about this now. Where did the prep start for America, just for America, not the rest of the ICC, the interplanetary corporate conglomerate that's out there? Just America. Where did it start with aliens and how deep is it now 70 years later, these contractual obligations with malevolent alien groups? How did we get off-world? And once you start to realize that process, and you're like, oh, oh, my God, for us to be flying in space with these secret space program personnel that you're now interviewing in the eighties, that process started in the late 40s, early 50s for us to build a

15:32ship. Right. Right. To figure it out. Who did we do a contract with? How did we learn anti-gravity? How did we figure out how to put a nuclear reactor on a ship to create a gravity envelope around it? So it's anti-gravity. Right. You start to do that, and you start to realize, okay, dang, I didn't even believe there's aliens. I didn't believe that we're that Roswell ever happened. I didn't believe, but I was like, there's no way we're off-world. That's when I'm in high school. We're off-world and Tony Rodriguez and Rebecca Rose are, she's working for the reptilians, and he's on series. He's on a planet for the Nazis, for the dark fleet. And so that's what was occurring to me. When I say the five stages of grief, I'm like, okay, damn, I have been, I'm a pretty smart guy. I'm pretty darn smart. I'll hang with most people, not physicists, but you know what I mean, I can hang in there, I get it.

16:34I have been totally taken. Right. Right. And so you have to go through, they're like, well shit, what else don't I know? Excuse my legs. What else don't I know? Exactly. And that's where the ego, you know, our ego likes to think we, we have it pretty much all figured out, and that's the trap, right? Because then you just block yourself from anything, any other possibilities, and that's exactly where the system wants you. And then they can just program your ego constantly. Here's the truth. Here's the truth. We've got it. We're looking anywhere else because you already know. So there's your mind control. Exactly. Exactly. There's your mind control answer, right? It's like, it's so complex, but yet it's so pristine. They are pristine in the way they hoodwink us. Right. They play both sides of the battle. They'll say, hey, we're going to give you all this UAP information, and then we're going to have a few other people say, there's no such thing as aliens. And you just keep spinning, and you never get anything. It's just all what I call limited hangout. They're not, you know, the congressional hearings, all of that. None of it is.

17:34Right. Yeah. There's nothing substantial coming. I mean, the cabal doesn't have any incentive to have, you know, rachid Martin or anyone else come forward and go, here's the museum. We never opened you guys, and these are all the ships we order. Why would they? Why would they do that? Well, they have no incentive. And they have to. At the end of the day, too. That means they have to look in the mirror and tell the public, well, that they've been lying to, you know, they've been lying. They're not going to tell them all the incriminating stuff against them. Why would they do that? Right. Right. And just think about it. You know, you're a multinational company. You're worldwide and you're off world. You're not, you can care less about the American public or the, or the German public or any public, right? Right. You have conglomerate conglomerate companies working under you all over the planet and underneath the planet, like deep underground military bases. Right. It's so far beyond saying, oh, we made a little mistake.

18:38And I think what the really, the great thing about shows like yours is now it's coming to the forefront that people are starting to realize, this is just our government. I mean, I love our government. Don't get me wrong. I'm all about America. I think we do the right thing. We try to do the right thing. Yeah. I'm still hardcore like the spirit of our country is incredible. Right. Hamilton, Washington, they set it up correctly, you know, the awesome women who have come through, through all the years. I'm just saying that we have the super right intent, but this group is not, it is above our government. It's above all governments. Right. And they work our government as they work other governments. So what you're, what people are, what we're aiming for is I think that like what shows like yours, where you're starting to let people know, like, look, congressional hearings and all that, it's fluff. You can go there and watch it. There's nothing, nothing's going to come out of that.

19:40Yeah. It's a dog and pony show. It's a dog and pony show because they want, the cabal wants to keep you spinning, right? Because that just keeps you not doing what your show is doing, which is saying, let's look at different direction. Let's talk about this small group that is completely nefarious has alien traded technologies and and six generational weapons that they shouldn't have without congressional and presidential control or some control from the general public, but they have it and they've had it. Yeah. They're not letting it go. Yeah. The entire, the entire premise of the shadow government is to bypass any congressional oversight. So they can develop these technologies in these private, in the private sector, you know, these private corporations and shell corporations and whatever it looks like. That's all, I mean, that's all done very strategically. So they don't have to go through Congress to get accountability, no kind of ability or

20:43they don't have to get permission for the funding and then you get into the money and where that money is being followed and how it's being obtained and that's a whole there conversation. But if you followed that money, it lead you to some companies that are very suspicious and definitely involved. Yeah. Yeah. And think about this. So the CIA bought Area 51. I believe in 1952. They bought the whole area and then how do they go rogue with it? Well, let's just figure out what is the president clear to? Okay. Top secret level 17. So let's make only the only folks that can go on to Area 51 are top secret 18 and above. Exactly. So they completely go rogue with the facility. Now remember, in my opinion, the CIA is basically does all the dirty work for the cabal. They provide all the spies, assassins, whatever the cabal needs for something to happen. But worldwide, and as I mentioned in in Hush, you'll see MH370 is part of that.

21:50So the hijacking of the MH370 had to do with alien traded technologies and semiconductor technology, which relates to alien traded technologies and how they work. So if you think about plasma technology, plasma technology, plasma balls, those, that type of alien traded technology needs semiconductors for it to work in linear real time. It's machine learning in real time. So when those balls are spinning around that jet that's traveling at 400 miles an hour, a human can't do the computations for those plasma to keep up with that jet, but semiconductors can. Right. And China thought it was going to get those semiconductors with their 20 engineers who were defecting. And the cabal said, we're going to show you who's the big daddy. China is the one, is the one element that the cabal has trouble with because it's a different language. It's the one country that they don't, that, that isn't really a player for them.

22:51So they like to kind of lash out once in a while and go, we're just going to still show you who's the big dog. But I'm just saying that all of the disclosure that's coming shows, web episodes, everybody talking about disclosure, I think everyone started to understand we need to point our energy not toward Congress, not toward the, it's not the American government. It's deceiving you. There are elements within the American government that worked for the cabal that will say the soundbites they're supposed to say, but you have to realize this is a group that controls all governments. Right. Obviously, a little bit not the Chinese, but that's who you need to go after. That's who we need to go after and just keep talking about them. And there's going to be enough of an uproar at some point where some of the individuals from the cabal will step forward because that's already starting to happen.

23:52I think it's already happening. They're downfall and the exposure and everything else is happening. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I do find it interesting because every day there's some new whistleblower and some capacity about something and doesn't even have to be a space program. There's this guy who just came out Jordan something about a psionic program that he was a part of as a child and he was pull out of school and there's a very credible testimony. Just listen to it, but it has nothing to do with the space program, but it's an entirely different, you know, secret program. And that's just one, you know, and then he's just one person. But there's more and more people, you know, he had enough, he's been waiting to talk and he was waiting for Congress to give him approval and they weren't and they kept giving him, you know, dangling the carrot, so he just came forward on his own. And enough people are doing that now. I think we're in a safe place, but then there's patterns of secrecy to recognize and how do you recognize those patterns and how do you identify these cabal players whenever

24:53you're doing your research and looking at the world stage? Mm-hmm. Are you asking me a question? Yeah, I'm asking you then. How do I identify them? Yeah. So if I had to say right now, can I identify a person in the cabal? I have some ideas that I don't want to say their names, but I can't firmly identify a cabal player. As you know, when you do research and you do research and you do research, things, the same individuals keep popping up, right, and you're kind of like, okay, well, certainly that person has something to do with it. I don't know if it's necessary right now to identify an individual in the cabal A because you couldn't, that you could never confirm it, so you would just be saying it, right? I think what's more important is to understand what we talked about a minute ago that you've got to direct your energy and your kind of your verb for finding out what's happening

26:00around you and understanding what maybe your actual reality is anti-gravity ships throughout the planet underneath the oceans, going off world daily, not just the TR3B. We have many more ships that depart from D.A. Garcia and several other deep underground military bases, underwater bases. There's a reason we have a national underwater reconnaissance offices, not just the national reconnaissance office. So think about this. We only had the national reconnaissance office in the 50s because we're freaking out about aliens invading our airspace, right? And we were saying, oh, it's only because of our local enemies and satellites and things. No, it had everything to do with the aliens were, they were pale male wherever they wanted to go. So we formed the national reconnaissance office. They are the super spooks who would confront you after an alien sighting and shut up or you might suicide, right?

27:00But now, not too long after that, we get an underwater national reconnaissance office. Now, what would we need that for? Let's think about it. Summarines trying to attack America? No, not really. We kind of knew about submarines since the 40s, right? But a national underwater reconnaissance office is because submarines on their radars were watching above mock velocity blips go by underwater. Now, let's just think about that for a second. And they're just like, okay, we didn't just see that we, that wasn't, okay, that went by, okay, that's showing you above mock speed underwater. So if you think about primitive human physics, that can't possibly happen. There's no tensile strength on any aircraft that we have that can be underneath the water at above mock velocities. However, one alternative might be that we actually have anti-gravity ships, not just us, but clearly the aliens, well, if you got a gravity bubble around the ship, it doesn't

28:05matter whether you hit the water at one mile an hour or mock six, there's no effect on the pilots. They don't feel squat. There's no effect. They're in a gravity bubble. They are not affected by the, by the forces of gravity of the planet of any planet. Right. They're warping space time. So underneath, underneath the water makes no difference, mock speeds below and above the water. That's why you see that UAP from like three or four years ago, remember the Navy pilots? And they're watching it and then it goes submerged and it's still traveling at mock speeds and then it pops back up. That only occurs if you have a gravity bubble. Well, we learned about that in the fifties. We developed it in the sixties and our space program is out there in the eighties with that technology. Now, the big question, the big question is, and you know, we've, we kind of understand this ourselves with maybe for the audience, how do they keep something? How do they hide something in plain sight?

29:05How do they keep it hidden this entire time? And like I said earlier, there's patterns of secrecy to recognize, like how can you help somebody recognize that who's researching? And what are your thoughts? How have they maintained this secrecy the whole time? Right. So that's, that's the big million dollar question. And I can only tell you my experience and I think this flows for kind of everybody. So we were told that Roswell didn't happen, but we were also told, you know, there was clearly a day, July 8, 1947, where it came out in the paper that, hey, we were covered with flying saucer. And then the next day, it's totally debunked. But that information flows forward. Our parents are getting it. They also get in. And essentially, when they play both sides of, of, of the game where they're like, well, there might be aliens. There's no way there's aliens that anybody who says that is crazy. Well, what that does is that sets up a male, you or a, it sets an environment that, that

30:09nobody wants to be called crazy. Right. And because the ones who actually see these ships and actually see these aliens are physically threatened and their families are threatened and they mean it. People have, you know, there's, wherever there's a crash recovery, when people don't cooperate with the NRO, whoever confronts them, those individuals either commit suicide. So death by suicide, right? They throw themselves off a bridge, they, they hang themselves, they get, they shoot themselves in the head. Of course, that's not what's really happening. It's death by suicide. You're seeing it in all of the early crash recoveries, including Roswell, including Cape Gerardo, where upstanding citizens are suddenly offing themselves because they wanted to tell the truth and they wouldn't shut up about it. And suddenly, you know, you've got six deaths in Cape Gerardo of upstanding citizens who just wanted to talk about the three little men that came to town. Right. So when you mix that with, oh, alien, you're, you're crazy if you think there's aliens.

31:12And then you mix it with a current physicist who says, those velocities are impossible. That's why there can't be aliens. The velocities, those ships, no, what you're saying that this ship did, there's no way. That's not physically possible in, in human science. Right. Right. Within a certain paradigm. Exactly. So then you, then you've got this, you've got this environment where it's so easy to discredit somebody that even to this day. So I'll use Ashton Forbes as an example. You guys know he's been covering the image 370 plasma I think forever tirelessly. Those are real, yeah, those are real videos, those are videos of a plasma teleportation. That technology has been in the keball hands since the 60s. Now they have semiconductors to do more fun things with it like teleport and a moving object like a jet before that they could teleport. It's just semiconductors that came out right about 2000 when semiconductor technology really jumped up.

32:13Now that benefits them because they've got machine learning in real time that can, that can do stuff billions of times faster than a human brain can. And they can do things with it by 2014 that they could have never done right at 2000. They could have, they're not teleported to jet. They could have teleported a stationary object. But they've had plasma technology since the 60s. How do you think our, yeah, I'm sorry to go ahead. No, you go ahead, please. I was only going to say that, that if you ask any scientists even today and I've got a buddy who's a PhD, my, you know, I've just got people around me who are just brilliant. And they're like, dude, that is not plasma technology is lifetimes away. And I'm like, it is if you're just using primitive human technology. But if I take an iPhone to a dude in the 1800s and I go, hey, dude, you can use this and

33:14I'm going to give one to your friend here and she can walk over there and you guys are going to be able to talk to each other. And he's a scientist in 1800, the best, let's say he's Tesla level. He's going to go, no, it's not possible. Right. But if I hand it to him and I show him how it works, he might not know how it works, but he's going to go, damn, this works. Right. Now, if I ramp it up to, let's just say 1947 and we've got our best scientists, Einstein up and Heimer and all those guys and offer Heimer's involved and Einstein's involved and Carl Sagan is involved, all of them are involved. And they're being told, shut up, don't talk about the alien interactions you're having. Or you'll lose all funding and we will make you disappear. So you keep your mouth shut and you continue to interact with aliens and alien technology. Even those guys, up and Heimer is sitting by a crashed officer at Roswell, just delighted

34:14out of his mind, but also going, okay, this is, this thing is carbon dated at 10,000 years old. It has no rivets, no seams, it's molded like wax. It has no right angles and it just came here silently at mock speeds and then can vanish into space and then come back. Okay. Right. I know it works. I don't know how it works. That's what I try to tell. That's what I want to give to physicists here who get on shows and like, that's physically not possible. I'm like, it is not for human and primitive science. It is possible and it has been in the multiverse. And there's something to keep in mind here to take note of is that our top physicists and scientists aren't known. They've been grabbed by the black projects and there's a man by the name of Patrick Riley. He's a 16 year combat veteran who talks about this in great detail how some of these top scientists are even blackmailed and they're brought in on these projects to develop and

35:16work on these advanced technologies. And they know that it's possible. At this point, it is humanly possible because we're doing it. Obviously it may have came from extraterrestrials, but now we're obviously taking that ball and running with it. But these guys, the top scientists and physicists that are out there in the public eye aren't necessarily the top because the top ones have already been grabbed and read into these programs. And we have to remember that not saying these other guys aren't brilliant people, but they're working with an old set of data. And then even now, just in physics journals and stuff that have been coming out, I've noticed articles literally people within that room are demanding or starting to question things and saying physics needs to be reworked. We need to rethink, go back to the drawing board with this model that we've been using forever because it's just not explaining the things that are happening in our reality anymore. And I think that's important to understand that there are guys that are aware of this, but we're not going to know who they are because they've been blackmailed in the silence.

36:17Yeah. And don't forget, too. There's kind of two sides to that coin. I think, so you guys are familiar with Bob Azar. I can promise you, he was a physicist at Los Alamos. I can promise you that he was sent to EG&G from the father of the hydrogen bomb, Edward Teller, who saw Bob's jet car at 18 years old on the front cover of Los Alamos physics university magazine, it's Bob Azar. And he's like, oh, that's cool. And then Bob is sitting outside his lecture when he shows up. And he's like, you're the kid with you, you, you did this rocket car. He sends them to EG&G, Bob works on the sport model, as you know. He's totally debunked by the cabal. But they a lot of times and, and he's an amazing physicist. In my mind, he's, I mean, homage to Bob Azar. He has gone through the ringer because of telling the truth. Right. But what I'll say about it is, Bob Azar would be the first to say, I'm not the smartest

37:23scientist out there. You know, Edward Teller, I'm working with Edward Teller. He's the father of the hydrogen bomb. So they haven't pulled in the current most popular scientist. But the other thing that I will tell you that you might not know is even during Einstein's time, Einstein's working is intimately involved in the alien presence. He's helping Roosevelt, he's helping all the Truman, Oppenheimer's intimately involved and they're heavily warned. And those are famous people, right. Carl Sagan is intimately involved. He's the number one debunker of all things alien and I can promise you, Carl Sagan is at S4 working on the monolith in 1984 when it's brought back or 1974 when it's brought back to Earth. It's this monolith floating in space seen by Yuri Gagarin in 1963 and whatever, 11 years later, it's brought back to Earth. It's brought to S4.

38:24And Michael Kruebman Wolfen and Carl Sagan are working on the monolith at S4. There's detained aliens there. Yeah. Sagan is like there's no such thing as aliens where he didn't want his funding to be cut. He didn't want his life or his family to be threatened or hurt. Right. And if you know anything about his death, you'll read about it in the book, you know, he suddenly gets a disease that is not in his family ancestry and dies kind of suddenly of something that's not in his ancestry. So same with Michael Kruebman Wolfen. Right. It's interesting because all the media, everyone just hears that, oh, he's such a debunker of UFOs and blah, blah, blah, blah. That's all they push and what they don't tell you when you actually do the research is up until that point where he flips on a dime, he was very, very interested in the subject of UFOs and the possibility that you tease her here. And he was, you could basically say a proponent that, hey, there's something going on here.

39:27We need to look into this. All of a sudden on a dime, he switches from that to it's ridiculous, blah, blah, he's the, he's the patron saint, the bunker. Exactly. Does that make any sense unless he was threatened and told to do that? Right. Right. And you and you guys are familiar with Richard Dolan, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're trying to get him through it. So Richard's just the opposite, right? He's an Air Force guy. So you can say it if you want, but it's, it all feeds down from the cabal, but he's the Air Force guy that goes to people and said, you didn't see an alien. And there's no such thing. And he's involved with that for years. And then he does the flip when he gets out and he says, I'm now coming forward. I was the bad guy and I'm telling you, there's aliens, there's ships. It's been going, going for since the 50s when I was in. So you not only have scientists who flip either direction, but you have bad guys who flip

40:28to be good guys and just say, look, I knew I was doing the wrong thing, but I had a job to do. And it was good at it. And I didn't want to die. Yeah. Or it is an animal. Right. Exactly. And there's another, there's another angle to come at this from too. A lot of these guys, they get recruited or brought into these programs are read in. They don't even understand what they're signing up for until it's too late. They might not even know that they're literally signing up for a criminal organization. They quite literally believe that they're doing the right thing, working for their country because that's why they join a military. And it's not until they're, they're in deep and they start looking around and start questioning things, things aren't adding up. By that time, they're already read in and they've signed the NDA and they can't talk and they've been had. That's another angle too. And so it's not necessarily that this cabal are the people that are maintaining the secrecy. They don't always want to be in that position, but they've found themselves there by being

41:28well-intentioned. At Emory Smith's interview on Gaia TV, if you guys ever watched that, oh yeah. He goes through, you know, he completely innocently, they're like, you want to do some extra night work? Sure. Cool. We'll pay you a little extra. Cool. He's working on specimens of tissues and he's like, wow, this is trippy. And they're like, okay, you've done good for a year. We're going to move you to the next level. And they take him 50 floors down in Kirkland. Right. And he's suddenly working on, with these trippy rooms on, he knows it's an alien species. And then a year later, he's working next to a nine-foot tall, praying mantis, who's doing the operation, and he's assisting. Right. Now, if you watch his interviews, you realize that dude, he is so clear about everything.

42:30He's not making it up. Right. And you realize, okay, wait a minute. This was also in the 80s. And they have got all kinds of aliens that they are genetically altering and they're trying to mix them with humans and dogs and buffaloes. And he talks about stuff that gets out of Kirkland and has to be destroyed like with a tank because it's a buffalo mixed with a friggin' alien something and it got loose. And they had to destroy it like with, it had to be targeted. It's so violent and then you just, again, it's like, I have to go through the five stages of grief. I'm like, I'm just stupid. How can I not know this? But you can't know it because it's on a secret base and Emory can't, you know, for the longest time, he wouldn't talk about it. But that interview with Emory, I mean, there's so many great interviews on Gaia. What's his name that was it, Area 51 with his rocket, David Adair. David Adair.

43:31Love, love. Right. I mean, you start watching them all and you're just like, okay, there's just too much information here. There's too many guys talking about the same things in the 80s all the way back to the 60s with David Adair. It's the same generals they're talking about that they're interacting with. Right. Yeah. Kirkland, yeah, all those guys. Kirkland, exactly. So after a while, you're just like, okay, I'm stupid. But then what you realize, you're not really stupid. It's just until you drive in and say, I'm going to find out everything I can. Then the same name started hitting and you start to realize, okay, damn, they're great at this. They're pristine at placing this right in front of us and we just can't see it. It's amazing. I hate it. It's like you break through that smoke screen that's been designed to keep you away from all this stuff. Yeah. But you've got to have that drive to break through in the first place. Otherwise, you're never going to, you're never going to see it. It bank on you, not ever having the thought to like go past that smoke screen, right?

44:34But all of us here have done that and we're like, oh, it's obvious once you do that. Right. And that's the thing is that people want it dropped in their lap on CNN that someone's just going to open an alien museum and it's like, that's not happening. You're not getting it from the American government. That's not ever going to happen or you're going to get them to hang out. They've lied to us for so long that if they, we dig it from them, nobody's going to believe it. Because people are going to question it again. So it's like this double edge sword, right? And then why would you? Yeah. Why do you want disclosure from the very people who have been hiding it from you? And why are you going to trust that information? Yeah. And obviously now, like what's happening with these hearings and all this stuff is it's softball disclosure as John Warner to fourth says, like they're, like we have the, the hard disclosure, three days whistleblowers over the years and a massive paper trail number hundreds of thousands of books, documents, you name it. It's all there now. Yeah. Like it's in our hands. So why are we, why are we still looking outside? You know, we can do it. We can compile this information.

45:35And yeah, maybe because I haven't been in the military or because I'm not a part of the government, it's not going to be official coming from journey to truth. That doesn't mean it's not true. You know, and that's what I think people are just too quick to write it off and throw it to the side because it's not coming from an official source. But if you really take all this stuff seriously that these guys have been saying for these years, disclosures happen. And I'll tell you how it's how you're, your guys' show is important. When I say you talk about the cabal and you keep talking about them, here's why it's important. It's taken a long many years of the cabal telling us there's no such thing as aliens for us to spend on that that we're mind controlled. Your shows, if you just keep saying, nope, that's not real, what's real is everything around you, every kind of Star Wars, Star Trek, it's not only real and actual, it's everywhere

46:38in the multiverse, it's all around you and the documentation is there. You have to be aggressive on your own. Your shows that keep talking about this pretty soon, your generation goes, oh, there's aliens, there's definitely battleships that are out there, we're in space. I might not be able to see it, but I know for a fact. And then what happens is eventually people that are in the cabal, the folks who actually twist the strings and yank and manipulate the worldwide events, there are going to be individuals who start stepping forward, I'll give you an example, Ashton Forbes got the letter from a guy in the cabal saying Ashton, you're on the right track. I remember that. That was us, keep talking, it's the only way to bring them down, just keep talking about them. And that's the exact angle that the show that is talking about, we know all this is

47:41real and F off, if you're going to tell us it's not, we know it's real. We don't have to see it anymore, we've got enough document, we've got enough people talking, we've got enough people with their mind control and their mind wipe is glitching back a rose, Tony Rodriguez, I mean, all the whistleblowers that have come forward where their mind wipe is no longer working, it's glitched and they're having all these memories of being cloned, we've got so many now coming forward worldwide, you're not going to tell us anymore that this is not our actual reality, we're going to get it. And that's why certain people in the cabal will just go, you know what, I may die for this, but I'm going to step forward and they're going to name who's in the cabal. Yeah. It's just a function of time, you just keep talking about them. Yeah, absolutely. Exactly. And it comes with a price sometimes, even us doing what we do, it's at a small level, we receive attacks and threats from people that just go crazy, you know, and even smear

48:42campaigns that things are completely not true, you know, and then they're gaining traction in the life of their own and it's like, okay, who's mastermining that? And I think that they work through people who have like these unhealed traumas, the stuff sometimes, and like they use people who aren't on that path to do their dirty work, you know? Yeah. And unfortunately, that's the reality of, I always look at, if it's happening to us on such a small level, imagine what's happening to big players, politicians, and some of those things that we hear about, then might not be true in any capacity. It was at lowers. And if I was R is a great example of that. They tried to, they erased his records from the school he went to, they tried to do all this, oh look, he's debunked, you know, this is the game they play, they always, it's a psychological war is the main thing going on. I mean, it's a spiritual war above that, but it's a psychological war is the biggest other than that aspect of it. And they try to get you to not take the topic seriously or get you to think something

49:47is debunked, but there's nothing to see here. Because at the end of the day, especially now with the internet and with the, like you just point out, there's so many coming out and they can't play whack them all enough to censor enough or kill off enough people or, and even if they, they realize it backfires massively, stride sand effect, all that kind of stuff when they actually do do that. So they've tripled down in the last 20, 25 years, instead of that as much, they do the psychological warfare where they do everything they can to get you to think this is all crazy. It's all liars or crazy people or people doing it for attention or people that are misinformed somehow or what, or just to get you away distracted and not looking at it, they do everything they can. Yeah. Yeah. And just remember, the reason the reptilians are here who I'm pretty convinced or behind 98% of everything that you're experiencing, I believe there's, I believe there's hybrids and mainly aliens now that run the cabal because they're thinking many years in advance.

50:53They're here because of fear, because they know the intent of humans and our capacity to love is a thing that's, that's so gigantic that when we evolve into what we're supposed to be and that they knew that before they came here, they brought the moon with them, they brought everything they could to be like, we need to control these suckers before they explode into what they are. Right. Right. So all I can say right now is, you know, they can, they can take out a whistleblower or they can shoot me and, you know, silence my voice. But those of us that are coming from love, we're bringing it. Yeah. Exactly. And that is unstoppable. Exactly. Mike drop right there. Amen. Yeah. Exactly. That's so true because, you know, with these democratic forces, they can't stand that

51:54frequency. Quite literally, they can't exist in that frequency. That's why they have terraform this planet. And you might not believe they have terraform this planet, but what do you think the towers are, the chemtrails, the water, the food supply? That is a form of terraforming to make it for a more habitable for them and more poisonous for us and mind control and all that. And then that brings me to the SIOPs and like that we, like, okay, let's talk about the Flather. It's SIOP for a second. Why would that benefit the cabal to push that narrative? It totally negates and undermines any of the SSP testimonies or this entire 100 year history of UFOs in the black budget programs. Primarily, all that would be just throwing away if you were to believe that we're, you know, trapped here in this flat plane in a bubble and space is right, you know? Right. How do your thoughts on that? Because I mean, there's a lot of information behind that and how, how do you think that's just taking off like it is, unless there's might be some truth to it? I just, I just think that as long as you do your research with your heart, your heart,

53:07this is just the decoder of the heart. Right. That's what I've learned. Just to think this was the king dog and that the heart was like this thing that was kind of great, but this, right, and this is just the decoder of this, right? So if you do your research and just feel like literally feel with intuition as you're reading, good accounts, bad accounts of any given person, you will know absolutely when you're reading, okay, this is, this shit they're saying about ball bizarre doesn't ring true to me. But when I was first reading, I'm like, I don't know who this guy is. I don't know what side of the coin I'm on here. But over time, my heart said, oh no, no, he's telling the same story for 35 years. He doesn't change anything. He doesn't get paid for this. He's enduring a lot of stuff for nothing. He's telling the truth. My heart knew. Right. So I'm, and I'm not saying any given vetting takes 35 years. I'm just saying, if you, all of the stuff that you, and I'm coming back to your question

54:10of what do you think about all the stuff they're putting out and flat earth and blah, blah, blah. I'm just saying, keep it simple. You guys already know you're already on the complete right track. You already know what's out there and what you're not getting access to, which is all the stuff you're paying for, secret space program, all of that stuff is, I don't acknowledge special access programs, that $2.3 trillion that Donald Rumsfeld said, it's unaccounted for in 2000. Catherine Fitz just said in 2025, the same thing. And she went one step further. I mean, she's got a pair. I'll tell you that. She said, it's underground bases and secret stuff and space ports and I'm like, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. There's a woman who just said, I don't care what happens. I'm going to say what I know. And she was trying again to say, you guys look at where your money is going. You don't have access to these ships.

55:11You don't have access to this great technology that could benefit our world. You're paying for it, but you're paying for it, right? Right figure it out. And the 6.8 trillion that went missing during COVID also, oh, it's just, yeah, it's paying for everything. And Catherine Austin Fitz made a, I've saw her make a great point on an interview where she said in the 60s, you see the, the money used to be, it was higher going for space stuff. And then it starts going down. And it's like, well, why would it be going down when we're, we're ramping up the Apollo missions and trying to go to the moon? Well, it's because the, it starts going underground, starts going black. Where the black budget, the black money that you don't get to see is going up. So that's the public goes down, the black goes up, and it's been going up ever since. And then, but then, you know, a lot of it is still, it's like, they have to show where these holes like, oh, there's 2.3 trillion missing.

56:13We can't. And they're just like announce it and then 9.11 happens the next day and then everyone forgets about it. And then they just quietly announced the 6.8 trillion during COVID and then no one sees it. They just cut it's brushed on the rug and then no one talks about it unless you're like, wait a second. What's that about? It doesn't, that much money is more money than like your mind can pretty much fathom. But it just, we just don't know. We just don't know. No one's looking and no one cares. That's ridiculous, you know? But it makes perfect sense when you understand all this stuff. It's like, it's in your face. Yeah, it's in your face. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Keep talking about it just as much as you, it feels like a drone on. Your listeners will start getting naturally more fed up and they won't be looking at the government anymore. Right. Well, and I mean, that's they'll be looking for other ways to figure out what the heck is happening and, and that underlying intensity is what's going to bring Kabul

57:20all characters forward because they know they absolutely know they're doing the wrong thing. Yeah. They absolutely know. And, and the reason I say that is they're not necessarily human, but the ones that are human, which is very few, I would imagine on the Kabul are completely human. People that are going to step forward just like you had the ash and Forbes letter that came in. I believe that's a real person that that is on the Kabul that works for the Kabul obviously, but that is realizing this stuff we do is completely treacherous. And I for one, I'm trying to tell you, keep talking about them. You can bring them down. It's your, they are way too powerful to bring down with weapons or you're, you're not going to get them identified per se, but you can get the ones who work directly for them, who have to work with humans.

58:24We'll eventually see that humanity is love. And that's the stuff, right? So they'll step forward and go, I'm, I'm going with humanity because it's going to win anyway. Love is going to win. Bingo. It's, there's nothing that can stop it. And you know, we have to, exactly. And you said, you know, like we have to keep talking about them, right? Keep talking about it, even if it sounds like a broken record. Well, that's the way we were programmed in the first place. They kept repeating that lie. And so now we have to keep repeating the truth because it's like reprogramming people like that. That's what I was talking about earlier. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, keep the, you know, the, and I think you got to remember too, like, just remember when you were just starting to, to, to, to steep yourself in all of this stuff that you thought, this, this, something doesn't feel truthful here. And you start to look behind the curtain and you go, okay, well, I've just now found out one thing for sure is I think there might be aliens.

59:24So you're back at that stage a few years ago where you're kind of like, huh, I got a couple of questions here. The majority, my experience, the majority, and I'll just say Americans, but this is, this is also with my friends who are physicists from different countries who still, they will absolutely not believe there are aliens and I'm good friends with them when they know I've written Hush. You have to remember that it stages and the smarter they are, the harder they fall, it takes longer. Yeah. Yeah. It's easier to kind of talk about conspiracy and this and the other and kind of an average person will go, maybe cool, yeah, it could be, there could be, yeah. But if they're a really smart person, just kind of naturally smart, a physicist type, you know, brain, they so much have to see it to believe it because they're, they'll just say

1:00:26that's not physically possible. There's no, no way something could go by on a submarine radar that's above Mark's feet. It can't do it underwater. And I can say, dude, there are tons of Navy guys who have been on nuclear ships with shit going by, excuse the word S with stuff going by at Mark's feet under the water. And he's like, well, show me and I want to talk to the person and then of course you can't. I mean, you can say, well, okay, you're not willing to look at this research. No, I've got work to do. Right. But if you keep hammering it at some point, enough of their friends who might not be physicists are going, well, you don't, and, and that's how it changes. It changes in subtle ways for all of us. I mean, right now, if I tell people the moon is not a planet, it doesn't rotate. It is not a moon. Every other moon on any other planet rotates. It makes no sense. It doesn't make no sense. There are spaces on the back side of the moon. And I say that and people just go, he's totally friggin nuts.

1:01:26Every crater at the exact same depth. I'm good with it now. I'm obviously here on web episodes and writing books to say, no, I'm a pretty smart guy. You don't have to believe me. I don't care if you do or not. I'm trying to tell you that your actual reality might be slightly different than your feeling right now. Right. That's all I'm trying to say. Well, that goes back to, so this is something I want to bring up because I see it virtually everywhere. Every time we post something, there's a number of comments could be bots or tools, but spaces fake. The moon is a hologram. It's not even a physical body ball, so it and it's hundreds of thousands of people at this point are like pushing this narrative and it's it's catching wind. What do you think's behind that and what do you have to say to that? Well, again, remember the cabal works both sides and you're talking about intelligences that are much smarter than that. So what does it just think about? I'll kind of answer your question by asking you a question.

1:02:29What does it do to you hearing that? Does it confuse you? Yeah. I mean, yeah, to somebody who's unaware, yeah. And if you're the cabal, let's see if we can confuse Tyler. Let's just start a little thing here. With the right people behind it that kind of says, you know, the whole thing's a hologram. And then we'll also start on the other side that, oh, no, the pictures of the backside of the moon, those are fake. And then we'll start another one that says, oh, there was no Apollo landing. Okay. And then we'll start another one. All it does is confuse you. And it's the same thing is looking at our government and trying to get answers. They want you to spend on that stuff. And this is what I mean by use your heart. Yep. And don't, don't, don't get this is the decoder of this. Right. Make, make that switch. And you'll find your research and all this other stuff coming in, a high and everything else.

1:03:33It's like, not that doesn't feel real. And you, you get so fast at it, you get so good at starting here and letting this decoder that your heart, your heart knows right from the get go from the very second. When you talk to somebody, your heart goes legit, not legit or something weird's happening. And when you walk into a store and you sense an energy presence around you, that's this. That's your intuition. Yeah, right. And does it feel more like a religion or does it feel more like a bunch of actual true seekers? Because to me, it feels way more like a religion, the flatter thing because you got everyone that believes in it as a zealot and their whole every social media is just constant. Them banging on about it and like trying to force it down to everyone's throats and making fun of people that don't believe in it. You know, you name it. It's like it's and go back more than 10 years ago. Any of us who have been around longer researching or waking up before basically 2015.

1:04:36That it wasn't even, there was hardly anyone. And if I didn't see a single flatter thing before like 2014, I think, and then it ramped up in the few years after that way more. And then all of a sudden in the last eight, seven, eight years is when it exploded. At the same time, it's all the YouTube videos start getting made and thrown out everywhere. It's like you see the push happen and then everyone's who wakes up around that time. Not everyone, but a lot of people who wake up only around that time where that's what they're seeing feed constantly. They're like, oh, yeah, this must be it because got the trap down the trap down. Check this out. You know all that information about the flat earth because you got into it. I'm not, I'm not faulting you in any way. And you're spending on this and kind of defending that it might not be real. And what I'm trying to get at is you won't, you and Tyler won't even spin off on stuff that you know.

1:05:36I mean, you might say, you know, the flat earth thing just isn't my thing. And I'm not saying you guys are wrong because you're not going around constantly attacking. Right. Right. But the fact that you're kind of saying, like, and look, everybody does this. The fact that you're kind of saying, well, to me, it doesn't feel real. But you're clearly, you have watched it. You've watched it evolve. You hear people, you call it a religion. The other, if it's nothing to you, focus back on the things that are real to you to focus on the things that are that you want people to know about. Right. And if someone brings up the flat earth, they're fine. I mean, if someone tells me they believe in Sasquatch, I'm kind of open to everything now. Right. But if something like flat earth, my heart just goes, it's just not for me. I have to go with what I know. And all I'm saying is. But if you ask me, I'll tell you what I really believe about it.

1:06:37And that's because when you get brought up on the show, we're like, okay, we're going to be honest about what we think it is. Yeah. What we've seen, you know. Exactly. And I think, you know, it's okay to address it. And just to realize, like, you want to allow everybody over time to have their beliefs at where they are right now, because at some point, maybe not in this lifetime or maybe in this lifetime, they're going to go off planet and they're going to go, bam. That sure looks like a round ball. Right. It doesn't look very flat from here. It looks kind of round. And then you have to get every whistleblower, every insider, everyone who claims they've been in this space, like we were just talking about every thing that points to everything about space. There you go. Yeah. Like all that out because the campus. In other words, realize that that is another cabal play both sides, play a third side. Let's see if we can get Aaron caught up in that and he'll waste some time on it.

1:07:37Right. Right. And cost division. Exactly. So my point is, is best you can use your heart and go, is that not feel real? Okay. I'm not going to waste too much time. I'll certainly address it if someone calls in for a split second. But I've got bigger topics that are important to me, like the secret space program and interviews and hard evidence for you guys. Right. Yeah. That are topics that are you know are real. Right. And it's that dialogue that is hitting most of the shows that I'm on. There's not a lot of flat earth talk. I'm just saying that. Be careful with what you. And you sure heart and go, is this like a ball spin? Yeah. That's the third side of the same thing. It says nothing to do with anything. And I'm talking about it. They got me again. It's okay. Right. Be fit. Right. Right. Absolutely. And that's what I think we try to do. But at some points we get. For sure. We get asked about it or we get, we get all the trolls or we get. Right. Right. We're like, all right. We got it. We got it. Yeah.

1:08:38But we don't go around. We're not making posts all the time or videos. Right. Trying to debunk it and trying to do this. And it's like. Yeah. We just stay in our own lane. It's important to understand that. The psychological operations division of the military. And how they have a large team of people that are. As paid to put out disinformation intentionally. And in large capacities in the form of fake documents. And even documentaries. And you know you. And it's it's above your military. Above military is just the workers. Correct. Right. But those. Correct. All of those psychological warfare things. You got to remember that most likely. Many of the top people that you're even seeing on media are most likely hybrids. Yeah. I agree. I mean, we've seen the glitches, you know. Yeah. And if they've had the technology, just think about this. If America has had the technology to go into space.

1:09:42Clear back in the late 70s. Now just imagine. A millions years old race like the reptilians who can soul steal. And then take over that avatar. They could take over me. So steal my soul, put it in a beaker. So I my body slumps somebody pops in. It's a reptilian with a reptilian mindset. And now I'm one of the top guys in the military. And I'm saying, hey, we're going to start a new psychological thing here. And it's going to go like this. So just recall. When you're talking about any of these. Anything to do with the American government in the American military. I'm just saying keep pointing higher and go. Is it the American military? No. Is it a speaker from the American military? Yeah. Is he fully human? Don't know. Can't know it yet. But most likely, cabal directed.

1:10:45And if they've had the technology to come here before homo sapiens evolved from Neanderthals. Then just think about it. If you're taking over a planet, wouldn't you just soul steal some of the top media moguls? And big pharma and all the people who control the planet, meaning the cabal. If you can soul steal the cabal and you're working things many years in advance. Why would you just have individual humans still in the military? No. You would infiltrate the military. You'd infiltrate all of the military industrial complex so that you're controlling humanity telepathically. I mean, you know, you're spreading the news the way you want it spread. Right. You're not relying on a human to just go, hey, I'm going to telepathically tell you what to do. I mean, it's just so much easier if you already have the technology to soul steal or create a hybrid.

1:11:47Right. Like, we have to understand their means of operating in control as way beyond just this very simplistic way that many people assume it would be. Right. Exactly. Yeah. So even for me, I still, you know, when I say that stuff, I'm like, oh, this just sounds so fantastical to me. But just like that feeling of like, damn it, how can I be hoodwinked? I'm too smart for this. But then if I just go with it and I go, okay, if there are that advance to come here, before we even arrive, before we even evolve, because they know we're going to evolve into love and they know we're unstoppable. They know it. Right. What do you do? You go there early, you bring a moon, you put a frequency expander in the moon and you keep them in the third density and you keep them down and you keep them controlled. Damage control. If they came here millions of years ago with technology that they're clearly bringing here that they're now doing illegal breaking the prime directive trades with not only our government, but all governments to begin with with the Nazis.

1:12:55Right. You then have to go, okay, wait a minute. Of course, they're going to be within humans. They're going to be infiltrated into humans because then they can control the real, the general populace much easier. Why wouldn't they? Right. But when I say that, even for myself, I'm so conservative and I'm such a non, I'm so skeptical by nature that I even go, what in the hell am I saying? But I know my heart goes, that's the truth. Right. Right. It's like on X-Files when Scully goes, molder, do you realize how you sound right now? I don't care how it sounds. I care about the truth. Right. That's something up right there. It's like, you realize it sounds crazy to maybe the majority of people. But when you know it's the truth, you're like, well, it doesn't matter how it sounds. How it sounds is just based on the common paradigm that we've been sold, which is mostly BS. So why would I care how it seems to that paradigm if it's the truth? That's the truth, right?

1:13:55Right. That's right. But that's what we got people they need to like, you know, that's the thing, right? Yeah. And it's a ramp up for everyone. Yeah. Right. Everyone's in a different place. It's important to understand like there's no lengths they won't go to. And I think people need to understand that because you have to understand the level of insanity we're dealing with. And like it's literally insanity like sociopathic psychopathic whatever word you want to use. There's no length they won't go to and these narratives that literally create these narratives. And then like we have to learn how to identify these false narratives. And like you said, using your heart, that's something like I feel like I'm listening to myself talk when you say that because I say that in every interview I do. Because I've learned your body, your body knows how to detect that. It really does. Yeah. But you have to know yourself before you can understand that. And you have to get to know your body and how it responds to this information. And I think that's where we need to get. And I absolutely love that message.

1:14:56You just keep going back to the heart because ultimately at the end of the day, you know, that's your mind is going to overthink everything. And that's where you get confused. That's where they want you. Your heart and your gut. You know, knows immediately. Yeah. Know the media is unstoppable thinking. Yeah. You're coming with a force that, I mean, you know, like I said, they can take you out. They can kill your avatar. They can silence your voice. But we're coming from, you know, we're coming from big love and we're bringing it. And that is unstoppable. Right. Yes. Situational awareness. Self-awareness, situational awareness. I'll tell you guys a little secret. That's kind of interesting. So I tell my good buddy Lincoln here, he's watching you guys from the side and make sure you're behaving. Yeah. I put him as my assistant, my assistant just because he's handling all of the connections with all these podcast hosts. But I told Lincoln, so I've worked with Lincoln producing movies for many years and I'm a writer.

1:16:00I have never had the experience until hush where I knew undoubtedly I didn't write it. AI didn't write it. I wrote it. But I'm telling you guys, it's like a committee is delivering everything that's occurring here. And it's like the off world, the Neville and aliens are going, hey, Michael, go write this book. Right. Yes. Exactly. And you're going to be our little, I'm just saying, for my little message, hush and what I'm delivering and everything that's occurring here, all I can say is it's being directed. Yeah. I agreed. And so there's as much as we've talked about the Kabal, there is, you know, there's life forces. I weigh higher forces than that. That are helping us as well. Right.

1:17:00And they're behind the people that have dropped into their heart. And that's important to remember that we're not in this alone. You know, there is an opposing force. And it's just going to move, moves and counter moves. And that's just what the times look like because it's all being undermined, uprooted. And it's going to be messy because anything, anything that needs to surface like that is just going to be messy. So it's nothing like, I don't think there's any right or wrong way to approach any of this information. Any of this information as long as you're in the heart, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You'll be fine as long as you keep the two separate and realize that the head is just the decoder of you sense from love as I, from your heart. Well, thank you so much for joining us today. I mean, this has been a treat. Yeah. I absolutely resonate with everything that you say. I mean, you're definitely on the right track as far as I'm concerned. Your book, I hope I wish it the most success. Can you please tell people where they can find the book and talk about maybe some of your film projects and how people find it.

1:18:01Yeah. So you can go to mdclink.com, all the links for the, for the book there. Audible should be out like literally in a minute. We, we turned it in about 10 days ago. It's 22 hours of audio. And I do all the damn voices so you can, you know, you can enjoy the show. It's pretty fun. It's amazing. I created all the characters. I, I used to do voiceover in L.A. As well as doing acting. I was like in zero dark 30 and has an actor, um, Catherine Bigelow directed. She's, she's phenomenal. Um, but, uh, I had shows on Netflix, Southern Justices on Showtime. There's a current show I have is, uh, is a sci-fi pilot called the gun runner, Billy Kane. It's on Amazon Prime right now. All those links, if you go to the website, it'll lead you to my Patreon page. There's all kinds of videos about hush, what's in hush. And I just want to thank both of you. It's just been such a pleasure to hang out.

1:19:01It's so awesome to see you guys bringing it. And, uh, I look forward to being back. One of these days we'll, we'll chat again and we'll have some new information. Yeah, thank you so much. Sure. We'll put those links in the description. Everyone go check out the book. And, uh, yeah, this is amazing. It's been, it's been really an honor to get to know you and to learn from you. And, uh, definitely I'll be reading your book. And this is something that I, I just, you know, it's interesting when people put these, these fiction books out that have all this truth in it. And until you really meet the author, you don't know what's really driving that fiction. Right? So now that I've, that I've spoken with you, I'm really, really excited to get into the book. Oh, but I apologize. I haven't read it prior to this interview. No, it'll take you a month to read it. You might want to do the audible. We, I mean, we have your bike and enjoy it. The unfortunate and fortunate thing about what we do is that I, I don't get to always research what I want because I have to research my guest or something else is taking up my time.

1:20:02So I can't read every book that everybody. Yeah. So I don't have any, I don't have any misconceptions like, you know, of the 50 podcasts. I think I'm scheduled for whatever in the next month or so. I don't expect anybody to have read it. I mean, it's a big book. My sailing buddy is like, it took me a month on the sailing trip. And I couldn't put it down, but it took me a month. And he's like, I, it was like one big movie. I loved it. I'm like, yeah, it's 600 pages. Wow. That's a lot. That's, that's what I'm saying. It's a, it might be more audible where you guys can do runs and work out and go, okay. Yeah, I'm up to chapter 12, you know, right? Sure. Yeah, we're sure. Well, anyway, thank you so much for being here today. And thank you so much. And enjoy it, you guys. Yeah. We'll talk again shortly. Yeah. Thank you to the audience for being here. We love you. Have a great evening. Good night. Hey, guys. Journey to Truth is going to Hawaii. Join us in 2026 for Journey to Truth's first-ever vacation conference on the Big Island at the

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