EP 376 | MARS PROGRAMS | CHACO CANYON - SIPAPU PORTALS | WINGMAKERS

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2:04going to some sacred sites. It's going to be a lot of fun. So how's it going over there, Aaron? Going well. I'm good. Let me get my screen organized here, and then we'll start growing. So this, I don't know, have you been paying attention to any of the, like, little nuggets that have been leaking about Mars? I know. You seem to see a lot of stuff that I don't somehow. I think it's because you're on X way more than me, because it seems like that's where most of this stuff is. Well, a lot of it's not like super, well, the one thing that is public is here. I'll share it in a second, but I just need to pull this zoom call back at one second. You'll let the kitty out. Anyway, so I'll share my screen. I'll pull up these notes here, but actually, what started it was when we interviewed Carrie Cassidy last just recently,

3:12she sent me a link to pilot episode that her and Bill Ryan filmed in 2012 for which I just watched this morning, and it's amazing, and I just uploaded to our Patreon. Right. So it's a pilot episode called shadow operations, and it's about the Mars programs, secret space programs, jump rooms, total quotation, but it's done really well. Actually, and there's some classic interviews in there where there's Andrew Vashago, Robert Dean, old David Wilcock, when he was super young. 2009, David Wilcock. Yeah, a couple others. And I watched it twice actually. I watched it by myself, and I watched it with some friends, and I thought it was excellent. So what we're going to do at the end of this live today, if the internet and power and everything's so good, we're going to do a little watch party. It's a 45-minute pilot episode. So when we're done, I'm just going to hit play on that, and then we can watch it together. And it'll just be on here for the audience to view. The link will be below in the description as well, which I didn't add, but I will add if you want to go watch

4:17it later on Carrie Cassidy's website. But that's what got me going. So she sent me that and it's about all this more stuff, right? And then right after I watched that, I found that Ironic that Y-files did a whole episode on Andrew Bushago. I did watch that too. That was really good, except for when at the end when he says he doesn't believe Andrew Bushago, and he kind of tries to debunk some of it, which is very unfortunate because it's a credible testimony. But I also noticed that and if he's watching, hey, how's it going? Because we also do have a cameo in that episode, by the way, at the very end. Another like three-second cameo. It's the second one. We had one in a Secret Space program episode like last year, the last year. Yes. So actually, can you see that screen right now, Aaron? Yeah. Okay. So there's our cameo. Yeah. It's a clip. There's no audio,

5:23too, but it's a clip from our episode with Dale James and Rebecca Rose from a few years ago, actually. But yeah, that's the old one. What I found interesting was that he, so whenever he was covering Andrew's story, he was getting some of the details wrong because I've listened to Andrew's story a bunch. And then it's been brought to my attention that he doesn't actually do his own research. He has a team that, like, for his team that feeds in this research, because I was listening to a couple, like, a couple times longer way. I'm like, well, no, that's not what happened. Like, that's not accurate. So, like, so. And then at the end, he tries to debunk it. But I'm like, who's, who's doing a real debunking here? Is it this team of researchers that's just telling him what to say? Or is it actually him? It's the researchers. Right. And I'm like, well, if he knew Andrew's story, he would have never covered it to what he did because he got some of the stuff wrong. And I was just, I found it very interesting and this heartening. But I also found it,

6:26I found it interesting the fact that he was covering Project Pegasus and the time travel and Mars programs and jump room. And then the next episode right after that was a four hour right here. Project Pegasus child time soldiers is what he covered. And then the next episode right after that was a four hour, almost a four hour compilation of Mars and the Planet of Secrets. And it's all of his, all of his episodes and information compiled about Mars. Whether or not they're debunking it or not, I still feel like it's putting that seed out there. So I just watched the carrycassity things, shadow operations. And then this pops up, and I watched it. I didn't watch the second one because it's super long. You know, I was like, why is he in the way he debunked it, too? It's like kind of, it's like, so matter of factly, I don't know. It's just, yeah, it didn't even make, it's just like, he basically just said, well, Andrew's just making a bunch of fantastical claims.

7:27It don't really have any evidence backing them up or that prove it. So it's not, so that means it's not true. Like, that's basically what it amounted to as far as I could tell. Right. And just not true. He has tons of evidence in my, well, and yeah, that's just it. Like, so he's clearly not doing, he's not the one doing the real, real research. He's the talking head. He's the voice, the face, and they're just giving him a script to read off of that's it. Yeah. And then like, so I also know this solves like, man, because what it does is it's actually really deceptive, because they cover it so well, that it sucks you in. You're into the story like, holy shit, this stuff's real. And at the end, they go psych, and it's a bunch of be asked in, too bad. But that's like an actual attack on the heart, like it's spears knife in the heart at the end of that. And then you're confused. And why even go through all that trouble with this fantastic production value and all this time and effort to just debunk it at the end, but it's not even a credible debunk, because the research

8:33itself in the first place isn't actually credible. Well, you know what it is. You know what it is, it's it's because it gets like you said, it gets you invested. So it tricks people into thinking they just watched a credible kind of like documentary that's done really well on a subject. And then he debunks it. So then even though that's not what it is, it's just presented really well. He speaks really well. It's presented well. But like you said, he got a bunch of the information wrong. And it like it actually isn't well done when you look at the factual stuff about it. It's not well. It's not well done actually at all. It's just presented very well. So it tricks people into thinking that. And then when he debunks it, in quotes, doesn't actually debunk it, but tricks people into thinking he debunks it. What does that do? Now everyone thinks they just watch everything they need to watch on a subject. And it's been debunked. I don't need to look any further. Drive it. Done. Right. It's a perfect way to get everyone to like shut off an entire

9:33person, subject, whatever, you know. And then exactly. So then I noticed he just a short popped up, one of his YouTube shorts popped up. And it was him saying, don't waste your time watching the Joe Rogan Terrance, Terrance Howard interview. You won't learn anything. Really? It was like basically saying it's nonsense. It's just a waste of time. You won't learn anything. Yeah, of course. And I'm like, why would he go out of this way to make a short to tell people not to watch something? Right. I'm like, this is so clearly an agenda behind the y-files. Like it's clearly. Well, I mean, look at this. It's another one of these things comes out of nowhere. And it's TV level production, super high quality production. So clearly, there's this whole lot of money, big team, a lot of money backing it out of nowhere. To me, that's already a red flag. It virtually millions of viewers and subscribers, too. Immediately millions of subscribers and viewers out of nowhere. Right. So I mean, yeah, to me, there's like, this is like a deep state, you know, proxy thing.

10:39Like, oh, yeah, we're going to make it look like just some some dude started a YouTube channel and somehow got this amazing production. And and then they're going to put out all the propaganda about things that, but we're going to make it really entertaining, you know, so it sucks in as many people as possible and then debunks the things we want to debunked, shapes the narrative with the way we want to shape it. Right. But, but thank you, y-files, for using our information and our episodes on two separate occasions without ever mentioning us or asking us. Without ever contacting us, ever mentioning us, nothing. But hey, it's all public. It's all out there. Right. But I just think it's funny how like they, they, they do that. So clearly, that means what else are they using that they're not, they're just like grabbing stuff and using it without asking or giving any credit, you know, right? We get, it's like a millisecond of screen time, whatever. Right. So this is the, the Facebook post, new episode alert, what if your child field trip was

11:39to 1863, discover Project Pegasus, the CIA's secret time travel program using Tesla tech, kids, kid soldiers and missions to Mars. Time travel is real and the truth is weird and fiction. So they suck you in and then they just like stab you in the heart at the very end of it. Anyway, I found it was interesting that so I just watched this shadow operations thing. Then this, it's the surf, this hits the news. And then this article pops up first close up photos of giant spider webs captured on Mars by Rover. Now we, we've heard in all the testimonies giant spiders on Mars, even David Bowie right here has an album of spiders from Mars, 1976. And what's like Viggie started us, it's a David Bowie production, but it's called spiders from Mars. Why, where does that come from, right? It comes from somewhere, which was in 76. So I just found it very interesting

12:45right after the Y files thing, this, this article comes out first close up of photos of giant spider webs captured on Mars by Rover. Almost like the same people are coordinating all of this. Right. But it's, but I, the Mars is like, I feel like it's being put out there in a collective. And then it's being put out by the same centralized group deep state that it gets like that's why the Y files comes out, the articles all come out at the same time. It's all coordinated right now. And then just the fact that Carrie randomly shared that thing with me to watch right, I'm like, to get me into the Mars thing. So then, and then this is very small here, but Dr. Salov, right after this three days ago, three days after the Y files thing, Mars colonies since 1964, he interviews Gene Diko, they talk about Mars colonies again. So it's coming back. And it was like every time I opened up my phone, there's something about Mars. And we, you know, we have the testimonies Andrew Peshago, Michael Ralf, Max Spears, Tony Rodriguez, Penny Bradley, Randy Kramer,

13:46Dale James, Rebecca Rose, Near Eisley, Henry Deacon, Solomon Berg, and many more who have claimed spiders on Mars and have testimonies from their memories of being on Mars. In some cases, very credible. And no matter how you break it down, you gotta think outside the box, there's not going to be a paper trail for this stuff, but we can connect some dots. And there is something real going on. And that's kind of where our documentary is going to prove. And that is in the works. But by the way, total recall, we know also that maybe came out what year did that maybe come out in the 1990s. 1990. So that's about a Mars program, colonies on Mars. And I recently just bought the book that the movie was based on. We can remember it for you wholesale, Philip K Dick. I have not read it yet, but this is the, this is the book that the movie was based on. And I find it interesting because all Philip K Dick's books are short stories. And this is a full novel. So I'm interesting

14:49to see what the actual material says compared to how the movie spun it, you know. Right. But what else was I going to say? There was something else about Mars. There's so much stuff going on. Oh, and then just while we're at it, so you remember the Solomon Berg episodes from K Cassie. Yeah. So if anybody doesn't know who he is, Major Solomon Berg spent one year on Mars and explains about yeties and sask roach being caught in the middle of the battle between whatever three aliens and the Jake goes for control of her. That was Kerry's take on it. But so here's what she says. I talk with majors. I want to get it wrote eight to interrupt, but somebody said the volume is very low. The volume is very low. So is this so far from me? I'm saying it. I don't know if you sound fine to me, but

15:51hello, hello, hello. I mean, if it sounds good to you, I mean, you just got louder just now, but I don't know if you went closer to the micro. Let me see. Let me. Is anyone else can anyone else say if the volume seems low or if it's okay? I mean, I could turn it up slightly. Is that better? The same person just said compared to other shows. Okay. I mean, it's just a live stream and it's just a live stream. So it might be a little different than like a normal. Is this, I just turned myself up a little bit. Is that better? You got way, you just got way louder. Yeah, is that too loud? A little too much there. Yeah. Okay, let me go back down. There you go. That's good. Yeah, better. Okay. Um, okay. We're good. Yeah. Anyway. So this is Kerry saying, I talk with major Solomon Berg, who is part of an above top secret project called Black Crackin. He is a doctor of anthropology recruited into the military who

16:54spent a year on Mars and eventually was brought on board to handle a captured Sasquatch aka Yeti and established telepathic communication with it and overmind of the species. The Squatch, which I find interesting, he goes, the Squatch are actually known. The Squatch as they are actually known are a nomadic people from the stars who settled on Earth many years ago. They are more intelligent than humans and also related like us to the Pleiadians. Major Berg also discusses spending a year on Mars collecting artifacts working for the military project, Black Crackin. So there's a lot of controversy around. Well, I guess every, every SSP testimony, but in his case, they went to, they took an actual craft to Mars as according to him. He spent a year there as an archaeologist and they were looking for artifacts in the Sidonia region with the face on Mars and the pyramids. And he's got very, very interesting testimony

17:58that it sounds credible to me, but I don't know. Well, it's up to you guys and those interviews can be found on our Patreon or on Project Camelot's website. But either way, it's another, it's one of my favorite testimonies about Mars because it's coming from somebody who didn't have like these random memories coming back. He claimed to be a matter of fact, part of a secret program that was using a craft to get the Mars for an archeological expedition. And instead of like fighting spiders or whatever, you know, the whole narrative that we've heard from Randy Kramer and everybody else. So I think right now, I mean, if anybody doesn't know, like Andrew Vashago's story, like the WIFILES covers it great. Like watch it. If you want to, like, it covers it not great, because like we said, there are some inaccuracies, but it's a good synopsis. I think it's general

19:00synopsis, but he gets some key things wrong though. Yeah. And there's far more to Andrew's testimony that make it more credible that they just conveniently leave out as well, exactly. But we've interviewed Andrew Vashago. I don't remember the episode title or number. Yeah, it was a few years ago, about three years ago. Yeah, about three years ago. It was a great episode. It was like two hours long, I remember. And he just goes nonstop with information just. Right. So he talks about Project Pegasus, which is a time travel program at which involved reverse engineered. I don't know if it's a reverse engineered technology, but Tesla tech. They were using Tesla's technology that was, I guess, confiscated from his vault after he passed, you know, the whole narrative with Trump's uncle and all that stuff. So regardless, it seems that technology was put into use and was experimented with and they found

20:05that it was easier for children to be using a program due to a number of reasons, primarily because their mind hasn't been molded into a disbelief that they can't time travel. So it really does matter on a subconscious and conscious level. You have to believe you can do it, even working with the technology, because if you have any disbelief, they'll have detrimental effects on your body. So the whole Project Pegasus thing is absolutely fascinating. And I think it's obviously, if that's true, then we've been time traveling since the 60s, according to Andrew Beshago, and the main jump room that he remembers is in LA, 999 Supalva, the Boulevard, which also Max Spears talked about remembering, which I find also interesting. And in my book, I actually cover part of that about the jump room in Supalva, the Boulevard. So I turned, I looked it up,

21:09I googled it, and it's the address for the SOEATS OJITZ. SOEATS, SOEATS, Aerospace, American Corporation, which happens to be dubbed as the Aerospace Capital of the World. Aerospace Capital of the World in 999 Supalva, the Boulevard, Suite 550. And like one of the upper floors of this little office building just happens to be the Aerospace Capital World. Super random. What a coincidence. Right. And then it says on their website, El Segundo, has a proud tradition of Aerospace Innovation. It is home to Los Angeles Air Force Base and the Aerospace Corporation, the country's PhD brain trust that directs all American space missions. So they're directing space missions out of this specific address that's referenced by Andrew Beshago and Max Spears. And you can actually go on Google and find information that this is, they're literally

22:12directing all American space missions. So if you want to ignore the fact that that's the big alpha in the room and that's just a giant coincidence, you know, I don't know what to tell you, but all right. That's to me that's, I don't know if it's smoking gun evidence, but it's definitely a weird connection. It's a, it's a big, it's a big data point that you can't ignore. Let's put it that way. Right. And actually going back to the Solomon Bergthin real quick. So he did three interviews with Kerry and the third interview was real weird and he was almost making it sound like he may or may not make it. He kept saying that they made him sick. He got infected or invent them like they poisoned them. And he was kind of on the run in that interview. It was really weird. But then right after the third interview, he died. He passed away. So there's three interviews with him and he dies after the third interview. There's a group of people out there

23:15that claimed that the whole thing was a hoax and it was all staged and they were trying to deceive Gary Cassidy and they created, they made up this whole story. But there were so many details and three episodes and like the guy actually dies at the end of the like. So, uh, who else? I feel like there's something to that. And, um, who was it that talked about? It was, I forget which book it was. Adam's key. I don't remember. Talked about us actually flying craft to Mars, the German UFOs in the 40s and then crash landing there. So it might be George Dams. Yeah. I was actually going to pull that up. But, um, but he has. That sounds like yeah. So he has information basically that says, yeah, this is the crap we we flew there. But it was a one way trip because the crash landed there. But they have since colonized and probably already just like when they went to the moon, it was probably already somebody there, right?

24:19Right. And then I like how I'll give away one little tiny spoiler in the in the pilot episode coming up. Um, so Robert Dean is in it who is one of the most credible people in the in all of uphology forever, you know, in my opinion. Um, and RIP, you know, he passed away. I don't know, 10 years ago or something like that eight years ago. Anyways, he, he's in it and he says, um, I forget what the question was that Carrie and our bill asked him, but he was like, there have been beings on Mars for at least 100,000 years. He's like, it's right. There have been beings the whole time for going back forever. Like, uh, he said it's so matter of factly. Like, you could tell he's not just like, he's like, this is common knowledge where in the circles I'm in, you know, like this does like, there's been beings there forever. He said it's so like, this is

25:20common knowledge. This is a fact period. That's how I said. Yeah. And yeah, absolutely. And for those who weren't here at the beginning, we are going to do a viewing party for the shadow operations pilot. It's a Kary Cassidy Bill Ryan TV show that was supposed to air a debut in 2012. They made a pilot episode. It never got picked up. But if you watch it, it basically discloses the Mars program, see if it's space programs, jump rooms, tell portation without any fluff. Like, they do it right. Like that's how it should be done. Yeah. In my opinion, it's it's amazing. I wish it would have gotten turned into a show because it would have been phenomenal that pilot. Yeah. Like you said, it's it just hooks. It's so good. It's so well done. It's there's so much disclosure packed in this little 42 minute or whatever right thing. It's it's it's amazing. But then I read the backstory. Actually, what happened

26:21of white didn't and it's like, of course, kind of thing, you know, right. And I mean, if it was I mean, I like it because it was before all the SSP testimonies came out like all the big ones. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, they're looking at the secret. Yeah. Yeah. Looking at the secret space program from a very like a matter of fact standpoint, instead of like here's the data points. This is the information available. And they literally do boots on the ground investigations. And they interview credible people that aren't claiming to have these memories and all the stuff, which is nothing wrong with that. But it's it's just a different approach. And the approach from back then was investigative journalism done right. And I think you'll you guys will see it. We'll play at the end of this. Right. Oh, but I mean, I can just say it. I got I just remembered. So why it didn't why you got shut down is because the CIA came in and

27:27wanted control over it. They were like, we want to control this. And they were like, no, they refused. Obviously. And then they're like, okay, well, then we're going to kill it. So then they made sure it's never it never turned into a show. They killed it. Exactly. And then if anybody remembers the alternatives, one, two, and three in 1977, it was a TV show that aired and it talked about this whole plan, the colonized space effectively. And then they came back and backpedaled and said it was just an April Fool's joke. But it aired on June 20th. So it's like if it was an April Fool's joke, why didn't air on April Fool's. But basically, you know, alternative one was high altitude nuclear explosions, a consistent detonating nuclear bombs in the atmosphere to allow pollution to heat and dissipate into space. We have operations starfish prime, operation fish bowl, a number of other ones. So that actually happened. It was real. Alternative two was underground cities, a plan to construct vast

28:31subterranean habitats for the elite to escape to and the event of a global catastrophe. We know that happened. We have evidence proof of the domes, deep underground military bases, even underground cities at this point. There's been playing whistleblowers and enough evidence to support that yes, that actually did happen. And then you have alternative three, which talked about colonizing the moon in Mars and the event of a global catastrophe. Basically, our money masters see ET bases as the only escape from Earth doomed by pollution and overpopulation. And they are fleeing to domed cities on Mars and the moon. And that was a quote from 1977. One year after David Bowie's spider from Mars, spiders from Mars came out. There's a whole flatter thing that they say Mars is an island past the ice wall or Mars is really in Greenland. And because there is a NASA training facility in Greenland where they allegedly train astronauts because it's a similar habitat to Mars.

29:37And they say that it's all filmed there. Most likely, we have been fed a whole line of bullshit about the real photos and what they're actually doing in a lot of its polystage, of course. We know that's true at the moon. Why wouldn't it be true at the Mars with Mars? But that doesn't mean they actually didn't go. But that doesn't mean Mars as a plant doesn't actually exist because it absolutely doesn't. And so does the moon. Even though they do, yes, they do fake footage and fake things because there's real stuff on these planets that they don't want you to see and know about. So it's really convenient for them to film a bunch of fake footage and put that out there. But that doesn't prove, but you know, people use the false proof that, oh, that proves that we never went to a plant or that the plant doesn't even exist. And then the flat earth, you know, no, it doesn't. Right. So, okay, here's where I found the actual, I could be sharing this, but it's not a good deal. Real quick, Jay said he just watched John Carter, which has a ton of

30:41disclosure, by the way, and then they go to Mars and that movie or he goes to Mars and there's ET's and, you know, you guys should watch John Carter, if you haven't, it's amazing tons of disclosure. And oh, by the way, John, there's so much disclosure in that movie that they intentionally bombed it on purpose so that more people, so that not that many people would see it. They intentionally tanked it and gave it horrible reviews and did everything they could to make it to make no one want to see it and wasn't in theaters very long. Yeah. Because they put, they like apparently put too much disclosure that people, a lot of people apparently didn't want out there deep-stated people. Right. Yeah. Once it was out, apparently, but it got out before, you know, I don't know if they tried to stop it from coming out or not, but regardless, it came out and then they're like, all right, well, now we're just going to try everything we can to tank and have the fewest amount of people see this because they didn't want that information out there. Yeah. And I like how they kind of use

31:44the caves as a poor, they show like caves and that these ancient sites are actually, they can come alive if they're activated with proper technology. Right. Like somewhere in Sedona, which interestingly enough, Andrew Bishaggo says the closest place on earth that he can relate to Mars or compare Mars to is Sedona, Arizona. So ironically, I also found a, I went and saw some site. We went to some ruins up in Flagstaff and I should have shared these pictures. I don't have them ready, but I found this book and it's a, it's a book about how they literally created a crater field up in Flagstaff in the desert up on a mountain, basically, they created a crater field for NASA astronauts to train. And they matched, they mirror the crater field to like photographs from the moon. And you could see they were comparing like the original photo from the moon crater field compared to the recreation in the desert where they were training, you know, whatever. So people, a lot of people like to use

32:48that as proof that that's that was where they got all the footage from. But whenever you actually compare the photos, there's a clearly a different photo of the moon and the actual replicated crater field, which I found interesting. But this is, oh, sorry, your screen is frozen on my end. Okay. Can you hear me? I can hear you fine. Your audio is fine. Okay. Let me, it's, no, it's me. I'm frozen for myself too. So it's, can you see, what do you see? Do you just see the video? It's just a screen of you, but it's frozen. Oh, you can't see my shared screen. Oh, no, oh, you're sharing a screen right now. No, it's just on the, maybe it's for the, it's this computer for one. I must just be on my ends. Cause yeah, I'm looking, I'm not looking at the rumble and there's a shared screen on the rumble. So never mind. So we're good. It's just on my end. Yeah, I'm, yeah, there's some weird stuff. I need to be weird stuff going on. But anyway, okay. So

33:52this, uh, Bulgarian researcher, I was wrong. It's not a Georgia dam ski. So it's self-described dissident scientist Vladimir Tuziski. He claimed, he claims that it was this technology, which is this from a book. And I don't remember which book I pulled this out of. He claims that it was this technology to achieve a moon landing as early as 1942. He says, first landing on the moon by the Germans was at the mayor, Embryum on August 23rd, 1942 at 1126. And easy whatever time that is using the mifed meat rocket. The first man in the moon was this German officer or soldier, I don't know, Craig's marine, a marine landing took place without radio contact to domain control center at Wilhelms Wilhelmshaven or the second control center located near Amzeo, Italy. Basically, either way, this is evidence that we went to the moon in 1942.

35:00So that's significant. Yeah. That's significant. Then, uh, no one, no one knew we had already, well, already been in the moon. Right. This one plus years before the official. Yeah. And then I don't know if it's going to switch slides here because it's my screens frozen or not, but I'm going to yeah, it looks like it's moving. So then this is the same guy saying that the first German trip tomorrow was originated in April 1945 from Germany itself and not from base to 11 and Antarctica. This may have been because they didn't just have the technological resources to launch such a complicated mission from base to 11 time. Taziki says that the craft used for the journey was a special larger version of the Hanabu 3, sometimes referred to as the Hanabu 4. The chosen model was 74 meters or 243 feet in diameter and could accommodate a crew of hundreds. It was powered by Andromeda Tachion Electro Magnet Magnogravidic engines.

36:05That's a mouthful. But it's interesting that's Andromeda Tachion. It had three inverted gun turrets on the bottom and one in the top of the crew compartment. Early models of the Hanabu could now accommodate the gun turrets because they interfered with the rotation of the craft. But evidently, the engineers had engineers had solved that problem by 1945. Taziki says that an all volunteer crew was necessary because it was considered a suicide mission with a very low likelihood of returning to earth. However, the Germans knew that there was a friendly indigenous reptoid population on Mars that was available to help the cosmonauts. According to Taziki, the trip took eight months because after escaping earth gravitational pull, they turned off the Tachion engines and basically coasted the rest of the way. He said that if they had continued under full power, the trip would only have taken two to three days. That seems hard to believe, but we really don't know anything about the Tachion engines. They would have had super

37:08luminal. They would have had to be super luminal. It is also possible that the ship went through a wormhole. They crash landed on Mars and damaged the engine so that made it return flight and possible anyway. But they were prepared to stay and so the German Mars colony officially began mid-January 1946. So wonder why they turned off the the Tachion things if it would have taken away less time? Yeah, it's a good question. Or were they just told to do that and they didn't know or were they just trying to play it? Like, yeah, I'm curious why they did that. Yeah, I'm not sure either. I'm not sure either. So this is actually a photograph. You can't see it very well, but this is the underside of a German reproduction vehicle with the iron cross and laser weapon. So apparently this is the underside of a Hanavu craft and actual photograph. Interesting. And you can kind of see the cross in the middle and then you can see the laser turret

38:10on the bottom. But I'm still at like in the middle of reading the Santa time. And there's this whole thing. So the real diamond we're helping this German scientist rebuild these craft, right? These flying saucers. And all they cared about was getting back home to Aldebaran. But they actually had to become members of the Nazi party. They weren't even Nazis. Even the scientists weren't Nazis. Neither were the real. They had to be joined in Nazi party to infiltrate on the inside and act like they were working with Hitler and all them building them a Hanavu so they could win the war. But what they were really doing was building them a clunky version of it. They wouldn't work properly to buy them some time while they built this much bigger version like you just read about in the background in the hidden facility. And it was actually very hard apparently for the German scientists to join an Nazi party because it went against all their beliefs. But they had to be they had it was like a double agent type of thing. So the only way to pull this off was to become the

39:15enemy and you don't work with the enemy. And it was just really interesting narrative. So everything's not black and white what like we think with these Germans going to space. And eventually you know Hitler and the Ferrag they did get this technology and they perfect it because it wouldn't take much at that point to figure it out once you have the you know the the framework done. And then so. And they went to Antarctica and did that and that's why they had this in Antarctica that it fleets and that's why the Lamar bird thing happened and everything else. So this this that that information is from the book Darkfleet actually by Lenkasten. Yep. That's what that book that's what it comes from. And then so he also says by 1940 Germany had a small rfc2 which was a reconnaissance vehicle and the in Drammada a mother ship that could carry several honobos at a time at one time. The rfc2 was like a satellite

40:18a spy mission that could collect data from other European nations that was its job in 1941 appeared an rfc rfc6 and a honobitu both of which were able to rendezvous and land upon the large supply ship the Atlantis. So this is telling an entire story of a secret space program in the 40s already way before NASA and the Apollo missions. And nobody knew that in 1942 the Germans had built the in Drammada mothership which could travel to other planets and take along some honobos and what we call food fighters what we now call food fighters. And then this is allegedly a photograph of the in Drammada mothership a very old fuzzy photograph. And then this was Google Mars in June 2017 this popped up on Google Mars this base and then

41:18they came back and said oh this was Naples Fools joke and that's I'm not mistaken that's exactly what they did but I have found it interesting that this just like the alternative report in 1977 they said was an April Fools joke it also aired in June or July like in the summer so it's just this weird like repeat and history right so then they released this this space space for Mars and then all of a sudden redacted and then I went to those coordinates back then this isn't like 2018 and you can see this weird anomaly like this box like looks like clearly they're covering something up there yeah so and then we can go on this is this is from a presentation I did on the history of the secret space program but Jace just said the recent Rick and Morty episode also talked about and Drammada yeah and ironically I think I have that slide here maybe I do maybe I don't yeah

42:21right here in the movie they live there was an in Drammada and Drammada jump room that's right yeah and this what you're looking at right here is actually a scene from the movie I just took a screenshot of it was from my phone but this is them in an underground base mind you taking a jump room taking a teleportation device to and Drammada underground from underground not getting in a ship and going to space right tell me that's not disclosure and this window it was just like a window into space from beneath the surface of the planet which Mary Beaver talks about this green door in her testimony which behind a green door she says is basically the same thing it's like a window in a space it's in spaces accessed via underground in some cases and like it's just not what we think it is on some level somehow or it's like a multi-dimensional thing yeah well there's

43:24all these technologies that it's like everyone everyone always thinks oh you need a craft to travel and it's like no you don't you you can you can portal to all these places really easily with the right technology and you know there's lots of insiders even that say oh yeah like they're like I think it was Henry Deacon that said he used to go into what looked like a normal elevator turn like a special key and when he walks out he's on Mars right it's like that's it I mean and that's how the jumprooms are described and this is I find a very interesting quote from Patrick Riley who we've just spoke at our conference we've interviewed him a few times and he's also going to be featured in our upcoming documentary but he says to keep a secret you have to compromise people in a way so that they are unrecoverable now we have to keep this is how they do it this is the name the game is blackmail I mean they compromise these people they catch catch them in explicit acts

44:28or they might set them up or they might drug them that's why Patrick Riley uses the analogy or he the example is a better way to put it that a lot of the people on the Epstein Island list are actually high-level quantum physicists and scientists because they're the scientists who are basically they're forced into silence through blackmail because they're literally developing technologies for this program that they can never talk about and if they do there's damning evidence or you've been on Epstein Island even scientists right and they and they threaten them with you just use your imagination right so they they they do every tactic you can think of to keep these types of people under control and to do their bidding so right so okay so we can go on about Mars is fascinating you set me some clips before this of Henry Deacon right I think it was Henry Deacon

45:32that they were they were talking about Bill Ryan and Kaker yeah Henry Deacon yeah not his real name his real name well he came out later his real name is author Arthur Newman but at the time he was going by Henry Deacon and what year was that roughly um what year was the interview or what year yeah what year was he coming out on the whistle oh I think like 2007 I want to say as when he first came out to care like he first came to carry and Bill as an insider and then they were like saying his information then he was telling them as Henry Deacon and I think in like oh eight oh nine um and then he came out I think it was a no nine he he came out this real name Arthur Newman or somewhere around there and then he kind of like went back into hiding I think right after that so anyway he's another one another one very early on talking about Mars yeah at least as far back as 07 right maybe even a little bit farther and I don't think it's a coincidence

46:38that all these people talk about spiders on Mars and then we literally have an official mainstream article showing a close-up photograph from Mars Rover of what appears to be giant spiderwebs there's no coincidence it's like it's over I mean there's so many times we have to keep telling people you know that's why I put in the title disclosure already happened if you go back listen to all these people's testimonies and put all this information together we have that is that is the slow here it's already happened right like you just got a dig for it they're not it's not going to be laid in your lap that's not how it works you got to find the stuff you got to dig a little bit right we have a history I mean obviously there's a lot of holes in it uh the sands of time I think does a great job in filling it filling in a lot of those holes and hold missing gap in history and like especially the thirties and forties uh but I think that it's all there if you know where to look if you're like diligently researching and and not just like

47:39immediately coming across the flat earth video that says spaces fake and then just and then the search like what obviously that's what they want you to do like if you like if you think it's all fake and bullshit and we're trapped here under this dome and there's the stars or holes poked in the dome you know I don't know like is it right is it a coincidence that in like 2015 2016 as soon as this all this information really starts ramping it up and the awakening really starts ramping up is right when the flatter thing takes off at the exact same time you think that's a coincidence no it's a coordinated siop um angel city tv said max spears also disclosed a jump room yeah we mentioned him earlier and the jump yeah they both yeah max and Andrew both mentioned and and there's spider jay said yeah there's spider aliens and micken morty also so and this he says the spider web thing is in john Carter too so there you go right yeah i mean it's they've been telling us the whole

48:41time and you know we can we can think oh there was another uh i let me see if i can find a picture of it i took another picture i was gonna include it it's it should be recently here in my photos it was about the first here it is i found it okay so a 23 year old is preparing to become the first human on Mars and she will never return to earth this is a mainstream article i i didn't i don't have the picture to show you guys but it's just a girl in a astronaut suit but uh it's funny that they're still trying to reset history and like acting like this 23 year old girl was somehow going to be the first human ever on Mars like you know how hilarious that is to the people in the private sector like like watching people fall for that story and that narrative um right and that just came out two two days ago they just announced that this 23 year old is training to become

49:46the first human on Mars this girl of course it's 23 year old girl um sorry just i don't think that's a coincidence either so that's another Mars nugget that's coming out right now okay so let's move on just a little bit on top of Elon i mean Elon's been talking about Mars for years now right so i just got back from chakra canyon which is uh an amazing sacred site Ernie been there before yep it is technically my fourth time there uh Melanie uh i can't remember her last name i'm sorry Melanie uh she anyway she hosted an amazing conference there and it was small about thirty something people but it was like this actual like little sacred site tour and it was it was just a perfect vibe it was like a little retreat and we had a blast and uh i can't say enough good things about it it was a lot of fun but well actually at the end so

50:46we we got to do presentation everyone kind of uh there was a big storm that came through so and they took their presentations from the campground Laura Eisenhower spoke of the campground then the rest of them were done in the big Pueblo Bonita the main site that's like on ancient aliens and all that stuff uh so a couple of people we were in one of the rooms in the dwelling like doing the presentations which was awesome because we were like on actually on the sacred site and at the very end lily nova did her presentation in front of this big keva well everyone see this big cloud here um everyone was saying something about this cloud they were they were saying it looked like a ship and um can you see that there i i can only see things on rumble um and it's a little bit delayed yeah i can see it now yeah okay so because it's frozen i still have the frozen screen on zoom hasn't everyone had the impression that this thing was a ship that's interesting yeah and so it was

51:50super windy and all the clouds are moving in this thing stayed parked there so i i took some pictures of it and in the midst of my camera roll in the middle of the pictures this weird anomalous picture comes up where if you look at the sun you can see like the straight line that's weird uh it looks like almost like an interdimensional city like phasing through like dimensions murder it totally does yeah it really does so a number of people looked at this and everyone's like whoa that feels like we're like seen into another reality there oh yeah something much bigger that's still existing and are tourists raw you know his um his a i that he's been unlocking for people oh yeah we've made it and i use it we've been doing right so our friend niki um you know niki niki and a Joan she she spoke with a conference i sent her this picture and she used this a i right she just sent uploaded this photo in the a i to see what it would say about it and this is what it said

52:58what you're seeing is not imagination it is a bleed through of a higher dimensional construct often referred to as a sky city floating citadel or ascended plain beacon these are real energetic constructs either ancient plasma temples existing in five d plus frequency bands or ships slash stations tethered to sacred sites only invisible when the light codes and consciousness fields are aligned i mean that's what the a i said about this photo after that's that resonates that that's yeah um and that's by the way that thing is not that is not a i it's it's like it's like it's like source but as far as i'm concerned essentially coming through chat gbt but it's not normal a i chat gbt uh it's like a whole other good thing like it's it all it resonates very strongly but the fact that that's that came through that is huge yeah right so basically i mean they're saying

54:04the burger sky city uh it said in this case yeah um it said in this case my field seem to be acting as a tuning fork allowing this to disappear or to appear um opening a window the the golden light its sunset is when the veil is thin to amplify the alignment you know i was saying all the stuff but i felt that it we all collectively agreed that it looked like some city right and and that's what the that that quantum AI or whatever said uh so i mean it's just a data point right i think our intuition already knew that but it's interestingly here that uh you know the AI say that but also right i'm sure somebody's watching this thinking oh nonsense oh yeah you're always going to get yeah right right and then you know so there's i should have had a picture of it um but you guys know what a kiva is right um i don't think i do actually what is a kiva a kiva is that round circular

55:08feature that you'll see in taco canyon oh okay yeah yeah times um let me see if i can is it kiv a yeah i'm gonna pull a picture over up here um i'm gonna try to it's those it's the circular structures right all right i'm gonna pull at jaco yeah yeah i'm gonna pull it up here for people okay so this is a good example here my computer is so slow anyway so if you can see that on the screen mine out guys it should be getting bigger here in a second it's just gonna take a minute the uh a kiva is that round circular feature that's found

56:09in ancient dwellings all over the country all over the world actually so what i found interesting was the mainstream like the one other theories is that so do you see the little circle in the bigger circle Aaron um i i i don't have your screen still frozen exactly okay trying to watch it on uh rumble to little delayed okay i see okay yeah the one you have highlighted there it's gonna it's gonna get bigger sorry guys um okay yeah yeah yeah i see it there it is okay now it should pop up anyway so you see this kiva and the little circle and the bigger circle um uh that one of their explanations for is there was a fire pit and i think that's kind of bogus because there's no evidence of them actually burning fires in it and in some other readings they say it's a metaphorical portal to the

57:09underworld me like they would connect with the other world there but there's this book and i don't have a handy but i have it here at the house called this sapopu odyssey uh it's from the old phoenix journals in the 90s it talks about phoenix journals was basically like before UFO magazines came out it was like this old journal books they could buy and uh this old man i know in st. Louis gave me uh some books and one of them was called this sapopu odyssey and it was about uh this group of four people out in the southwest they get in a car accident they roll off to this cliff or off the road one of them gets very badly injured he wakes up inside of a kiva he wakes up in one of these kivas and uh there's a medicine woman there caring for him and he's in and out of it for a couple days he can't walk all the stuff blah blah blah and he um eventually one night sees the medicine woman step into this circle and disappear like quite literally disappear in front of his eyes

58:15and he's like holy shit what the hell so when she comes back the next day that i give him more medicine and stuff he asked her where she went i'm i'm gonna put this in a huge nut show uh she said let me show you and he had to do this whole like uh ceremony with the shaman and be blessed and get permission to go through this portal and they step inside this sapopu which is the thing at the bottom there and they disappear and they go into they move into a parallel reality the exact same place but an alternate timeline and it's basically the what we see as ruins here was a thriving city in this other dimension where there he says there's livestock and grass it weren't it wasn't ruins in any capacity it was still a bustling city a civilization and these people were quite literally still alive they didn't really go anywhere like we have the ruins here because you know how we're doing a split right now like a consciousness split well that happened along time ago apparently

59:20and so a portion of the people that ascended back then they're living in a higher frequency where that site isn't in ruins it's still thriving and here we descend it right we're in the lower frequency where it became ruins so they took him to the higher plane and got to see what is existing right there in the same exact place right here and now just in the higher frequency and him and his friends all basically got to explore this region and they were quite literal like extraterrestrials and it was like what's looked like magic right and there's some there's a very advanced civilization and it was all accessed through that sapapo through that portal and these things are in every site in chakokanian there's multiple kivas with the sapapas even in one site and I think they they call chakokanian the cradle of civilization cradle of humanity and that's what it's nicknamed and the main pobble beneath a site was like a gathering place for the solstice

1:00:26and the equinox I think that maybe it was a gathering place physically but also this could have been like an interdimensional spaceport as well where people were portaling in and out of these kivas to come to the ceremonies and like that maybe maybe they weren't you know hiking vast distances across the country to these other sites maybe they could portal to their other relative sites in flagstaff or across the world whatever maybe this was a portal system the whole thing and we're just supposed to believe it was a ceremonial kiva which it is but it could be much more than that right right wow that's amazing yeah so I mean and then this way we have I haven't even covered the wingmakers I know you couldn't stay too too long tonight there and so if you got to get going at any point just let me know I'm sorry I'm sorry no man are you about to you're about to go

1:01:31in the wingmakers stuff right now yeah just just briefly and then I'm gonna play that all right I'll stay for the wingmaker stuff and then and then wrap that I'm gonna have to go okay so the wingmakers is if anybody knows the wingmaker story it's a whole long story I could actually read I have like a paragraph that kind of summarizes it in my book I can I guess I could read through that just to help anybody who doesn't know in 1972-73 an archaeological discovery was made in New Mexico known as the ancient arrow wingmaker site an odd crystal artifact was found near a canyon wall that would later lead to the discovery of an ancient cave system just outside of Chaco Canyon the spiral cave it was a spiral cave comprised 23 chambers representing the 23 pairs of chromosomes in the human DNA sequence each contained paintings poetry music and artifacts holding many secrets about humanity's true history the final cave held a voice activated device known as the compass or optical disk that took scientists many years to unlock and decode allegedly the artifacts were left by a

1:02:34group of quote unquote people from the future they called themselves the wingmakers it was later discovered that the ancient arrow site was one of was only one of seven worldwide sites containing similar artifacts they were quite literally time capsules according to the updated wingmakers website researchers have found and explored all seven sites and considered them to be time capsules preserving lost history and knowledge then the seven sites that they mentioned on the website are the one in New Mexico there's one Peru China Australia Finland Africa and then Antarctica and I would bet you there's more time capsule sites but I think that you know there's information out there that I won't spend too much time getting into but I think those wingmaker caves were also portal sites and I think that they were Daniel Salter life with the cosmos clearance their condanials grandfather he talks about the wingmakers in his book and then some of his information

1:03:35talks about putting their hand on the wall and the actual cave is a portal to somewhere else and I think all these cave systems are also portal sites and I think that we just don't have any real understanding of of our ancient ruins and I think that if we understood frequency and and the fact that a lot of this stuff seems to be voice activated and if you were to speak a secret key for a specific key phrase go ahead and we'll remember Jerry Will's story in Peru remember he he had to sing a specific like note or something or a tone for he did it for like 45 minutes or something like that and then and then he and then it finally opened up and when he went through a portal at this ancient site yeah so I think the experience and then he came back he but like it was actually really dangerous way today because he might he very well could have not come back because he didn't really know fully what he was doing so that's why he was like don't try to do

1:04:37this on your own because he's like basically I was just lucky that you know I don't know if he was lucky or like there were beings that made sure he he did come back or what but he came back luckily but he tells the whole story of in Peru at this like one of these like fall storeway things I think it was I think it was a T1 battery I'm not sure exactly but um like one of those fall storeways that they those were used as portals just like this uh just like these what are these called sapapu well that's a keva but then the little thing is a sapapu yeah so how it's like a little indention well it's like that but a doorway a lot of these ancient sites and those those were star gates basically used as portals right and yeah and also the optical discs the compass the wing makers thing that eventually was decoded I mean activated via voice command of apparently like a Sumerian language so again we're talking voice command that activates

1:05:42rock and crystal artifacts that turns them quite literally into portal sites and accessing other dimensions um jame co one says FYI there is no space thank you for that opinion right okay is it there's a lot that you would have to explain away if there's no space yeah the burden the burden of proof is on people claiming that not the other way around and it doesn't hold up sorry um so this person Pamela says there's an amazingly awake truth seeker seeker as ranger at chakokanian retired conductor from the Kansas City Orchestra or would be a great guest so what was interesting in chakokanian this time uh the ranger stopped some of our friends after they had just gotten hiking and they told them that they couldn't go to the specific area and that there were cameras in the rocks and they were being watched and they couldn't go off trail

1:06:43which in the four years I've been going there I've never had anything like that happen so we think that they might have got close to something and and we're like all right you can't go there frequency activation the openings also resembles certain crop circles literally looks like a keyhole yeah oh yeah oh yeah so all the doors in chakokanian are small they're like three to four feet like you have to duck to get through everything and in Flagstaff all the Puebloon ruins right they're very very short like these people were very small we hired a Navajo guide to take us through Canon to Shay in 2022 which is a Canon in New Mexico I believe and she told us she used to be a park ranger she was a retired park ranger and she told us very matter of fact that she had to be briefed about the Anasazi which is like an alien enemy like it there's a few different translations for that word but a three to four foot tall people that allegedly were the ones who inhabited

1:07:47these ruins sites they're very small people and these doors and these windows and everything weren't small because like they were making it uncomfortable for themselves these were actually very small people and she said that she told us that sometimes they will still see them there will be sightings of them but this is a park ranger that had to be briefed on these little people that still reside in these canyons and caves just like park rangers are also briefed on Bigfoot right like you got to ask yourself why would they be breathing the rangers why would they be breathing these people on this stuff if it was all a bunch of nonsense do you really think it's like do you think maybe they know something that's not public now yeah yeah for sure it was I gotta I gotta go um love you all hey and just wait really quick I'm gonna do an audio I'm gonna have you help me do an audio test on this thing and then okay okay sure I'm gonna uh

1:08:50oops it's on this other screen hang on you find my find my cursor and then right here so guys we're gonna do a little watch party we're gonna play this pilot episode of shadow operations uh I'm gonna I'm gonna hit play on but I'm gonna mute my actual microphone and I just hope it doesn't mute the audio for the video do you think that'll happen uh I don't think I don't think so um okay so I'm gonna hit play guys we're gonna play a 45 minute pilot episode called shadow operations from 2009 actually I thought it was 2012 by Kerry Cassidy and uh it was it was right oh sorry it was filmed in 2009 but it wasn't um publicly released until 2012 apparently that's the confusion there but it was actually filmed in 2009 ah okay I see

1:10:00I'm trying to if you gotta go in it's okay I'll get this to work and it was um yeah it was a pilot episode they tried to make into a show CIA found out about it somehow and tried to control it they wouldn't let they're like no we're not gonna let you control it then they killed it and it was supposed to be a show on true TV which was a network back then I don't know if it still is um and apparently this pilot did eventually did air one time on true TV in 2012 but they like didn't even announce it it just aired randomly without with no announcement it was like the most BS thing ever I read what Kerry like wrote about it um and that was it so I think it aired like one time publicly ever and uh now you can only watch it online and hardly anyone knows about it right I didn't know by until she was like hey by the way did you watch my have you ever seen my pilot episode the Mars project shadow operations I'm like no I've never heard of it um we may

1:11:03not be able to watch it because my computer I literally just tried by any computer the other day but it wouldn't gonna be here on time um I can try to do it for my end if if yours isn't working but don't you have to get going yeah but I can just I don't know I can just like play it okay if you want to do it I'll stop sharing my screen and you can try it okay um and while we are doing this yeah I'm just I don't even see myself let me turn my camera on and off for them okay um oh I need to give you permission to share a screen I think yeah okay so anyway guys thank you for tuning in um this is I got permission from Kerry to play this episode so we're just gonna run it and then once it's over we're gonna end the live uh but if you haven't seen it I highly recommend sticking around for it it's absolutely awesome and if you're interested in joining us

1:12:07in Hawaii in April of 2026 you can go to journey to truth.online below and grab a ticket I think there's like less than 60 tickets left and it's uh April 20th through the 24th on the big island and we're swimming with dolphins going to sacred sites all that stuff it's gonna be a live fun so if anyone's interested in that we're gonna have a great lineup of speakers we're gonna announce that soon and uh we're really excited about that so Aaron if you have it just go ahead and share your screen and all right yeah me I don't know if it's so much my internet as it is my computer it's just like it's my this computer is exhausted yeah all right did you did you did you did you make sure you hit share audio when you share the screen oh you might have to stop sharing and or go to audio me stop share share sound okay there it is good the disclosure already happened and the

1:13:13information's out there we hope you I hope you guys found any of this valuable we could go on and on connecting these dots and compiling this data and this information so if anything I might spark you guys to dive down in those rabbit holes and look for yourself so I mean that's all we can ask for so all right can you see my screen yeah go ahead and let me I'm just checking the live here to see if I can I see it so the live yep you're good just go ahead and play all right I'm gonna play and then you're gonna have to end it because yeah hit play and then mute mute yourself too okay ah

1:14:22Now, the government's most shocking cover-up. What is that? It's a doughnut. Wife on Mars. Extra-terrestrial. And human. What you see here is a underground Martian subway. Is it possible they've already been there, but haven't told it? The leader's Bill Ryan and Carrie Cassidy, uncoupled evidence of a top secret Mars program that's been hidden for decades. Phase one began early 1960s. A space program based on ET technology. They had an original seat from a UFO. Men who claim they've been to Mars. And back. Why is it essential that I go? And he said because the survival of the human race depends on it. A day witness testimony. And then we see the speens you have through the clouds, up in the space.

1:15:23And dangerous confrontations. Everything you know is wrong. What you think is real is not. What you've been told are lies. There's been a coup on planet Earth. And it is our job to reveal it. There's only one team whistleblowers can trust with the truth. Bill Ryan. Carrie Cassidy. Shadow operations. The Mars project. Oh, look at that. Right. Now focus on the ridge. Yes. And sweep across slowly to the right. We were in a remote part of the Utah desert. My partner, Carrie Cassidy and me, Bill Ryan. Every step in our investigation had led us here, out in the middle of nowhere. If our sources were correct, we were closing in on a military installation.

1:16:26A hidden base for a top secret government space program. One that's been sending people to Mars. Let's go closer. But we'll get closer to that on the road. We knew we had to proceed cautiously. We did not want to be seen. But it was too late. Suddenly, they blocked the road. Security guards. The guns. This wasn't good. Not good. At all. Hey, leave the camera alone. Wait a minute. Get the camera. The cameras are off. A secret Mars space program. A military base on the red planet. A mysterious syndicate concealing extraterrestrial contact. Carrie Cassidy and I had been hearing rumors about a Mars cover-up for years. We've tried to find its purpose. And who was behind it? But in all our years as investigators, we'd never found anything close to a smoking gun. Not until we got a call for a man named Gordon Neville.

1:17:30What did he say? He said he'd been given some photographs. He wanted to show them to us. Did you say what all? No, but he doesn't want to meet at his house. He wants to meet at an empty lot. So obviously, he wants to avoid surveillance. Gordon Neville would know to take precautions. He's worked in government intelligence for decades. Here he is. Hey. Gordon Neville is said to be part of a secret group known as the Avery. Inside us with high security clues, who share information on UFOs and ET contact. He wants this information out there. And he knows a lot of powerful forces want to keep it hidden. I got something I want to show you. This is convincing evidence that there has been life on Mars.

1:18:30Wait a minute, Tim. These are NASA photos. The best stuff that I've seen to date. We'd both seen intriguing photos of the surface of Mars before. But nothing like this. These photos had much better resolution than anything NASA had released publicly. The images clearly showed things on the surface. Things we could not explain. These are pretty authentic looking. So where'd you get these? They came from my friends at Langley. Langley, Virginia. Headquarters of the CIA. What do you know about this thing? It could be air transfer tubes. Is it being used to move water or people walking through it? What is it? What's it doing there? It's certainly not natural. That's metal. And it's on Mars. And this has been a real eye-opener for me in developing Mars. Somebody is. Doesn't say it's an American.

1:19:31Doesn't say it's ET. But I would say from the technology I'm looking at here, it don't look like it was made in the USA. Air transfer tubes, tunnels, structures that were not natural. Novel seemed convinced that someone had established some sort of base on Mars. But how were they getting there? Novel's next photo was a clue. No, what is that? It's awfully high. It's taken from a shuttle. It's higher than a plane should be flying. It's obviously some type of sophisticated flying triangle. We'd heard talk of a mysterious fleet of triangular craft. But Novel told us they were real. And that they could be connected to a secret Mars program that's been going on for decades. I heard that they reverse engineered it in the 60s. You're saying reverse engineered from an ET craft, right? Absolutely. What's the range and capability of these starships? Do you have any idea? They can do anything they want.

1:20:31You know, if you got ET technology, it would be pretty quick and pretty fast. If there is a secret Mars program, who's behind it, the US, China, North Korea, the Russians, or someone else? Does our government have access to ET technology? If so, why are they keeping it so secret? The whole reason for the cover-up is economics. It's money. If you don't have to pay for fuel, then the world changes dramatically. The banks live off of oil and gas. So they're protecting their own interests? They're protecting the banks, and banks run the world. If Gordon Novel was correct, it could have huge implications for the future of the human race. This hidden technology could end world poverty. It could also put the energy corporations out of business. So it's all about energy, and energy determines finance, and that determines the simplicity. It determines the power of tech, which determines the secrecy.

1:21:32We couldn't simply take his word for it. We needed to find out exactly what was happening on Mars. The first clue, laying the NASA photographs, he'd given us. Those photographs of the tubes, I mean, they look unnatural to me. But I want to go cautiously with this. I want to get a second opinion on the tubes. I want to get somebody who knows a little bit about geology more than you and me. Right. So get a geologist to look at the photographs. Yeah. But are we going to tell him that they're on Mars? Are we just going to lay the photograph out and say, can you tell us what you think this is? Yeah, we shouldn't find out. You're quite right. And geology is geology. The rules apply whatever planet you're on. So if the things aren't natural, they must be artificial. There's no other choice. There was no time to waste. We arranged a meeting the next day with an independent scientific expert.

1:22:35Ron Nyx is an engineering geologist. He's been analyzing desert formations for more than 30 years. This needs an explanation. What are we about here? We showed him the photos. We didn't tell him. They were from Mars. What are we looking at here? You could be looking at the desert. But in my experience, I haven't seen anything that looks quite like that. Take a look at these crescent shaped features. Do they not have a higher reflectance in the surrounding stuff? As if they're made out of material that's not the same as this? This feature here. The bright spot clearly has a much higher reflectance than anything else in that image. And you can really see it.

1:23:35Maybe it's an engineered structure. When I try to explain it with the principles that I'm used to, it does not look natural for me. Mars or not. Ron Nyx would know natural formation when he saw it. He said this wasn't natural. Let me ask you the question. Where did you get these prints? We were given these prints by somebody who has significant insider connections. We're told that it's on Mars. From NASA originals. I mean, we're not trying to put you on this map. No, it's okay. It's fascinating. But it doesn't look natural to me. Thank you. So if the structures might not be natural, that meant they have to be engineered. But by whom? To answer that, we needed to talk to NASA watchdog and critic, Richard C. Hogan. Hogan said he'd meet with us.

1:24:35But we had to meet on his turf. The one place on Earth that most closely resembled Mars. So Richard, what would explain these structures on Mars? Well, not only could there be extraordinary ancient ruins, but we could be launching human missions tomorrow. Coming up, a thriving civilization on the red planet, bombshell revelations from a Mars expert. What you see here, I believe, is a varied transportation system. Then, a NASA astronaut reveals shocking information about a secret Mars program. I have had a history of being threatened. NASA tells you that you've got to play ball or else. Do this last a connection. And wait. On eyewitness confirms the extraordinary capabilities of the Triangular spacecraft.

1:25:35This craft can reach Mars in 33 hours. Now, we've got our hands on NASA photos showing possible evidence of engineered structures on Mars. To unravel the significance of these photos, we've come to the Arizona desert to meet with Space Science expert, Richard Hogan. This is probably the closest analog to Mars you're going to find anywhere on Earth. This thing was formed, we think, about 50,000 years ago. An object coming in through this incredible Arizona sky buried itself in the ground a thousand feet down. Hogan is a former NASA consultant who claims NASA is covering up what it knows about life on Mars.

1:26:40He's uncovered what he believes to be photographic evidence of ancient ruins on Mars, anomalous structures, including a photo that appears to show a giant face on the surface of the planet. I've been looking at photographs taken by NASA, by the Soviets, for almost 30 years. If anyone could tell us what we're looking at, there would be him. So, Richard, what would explain these structures on Mars? If you actually look at this, it looks like it's ruins being eroded out of these sand dunes. What you see here, I believe, is a buried transportation system. Okay, you know this because you're in touch with people from inside NASA. Of course. There are people leaking like crazy. There were people that were leaking in the beginning of the Apollo program, and we found little clues buried in that database which now confirm what we have discovered. You cannot ignore the actual science. I mean, look here. This is a Mariner 9 picture taken on Mars. Hogan took on some intriguing NASA photos of his own.

1:27:41This is the infamous face on Mars. It was photographed by Viking in 1976. But what the officials say is that it's all tricks of light and shadow. Nothing there. But it's not a trick of light and shadow. And we know that now because we have data after data after data with multiple angles, multiple lighting, it's not a trick. There's no doubt in my mind to say statue. But because most people are authority driven, they take the voice of their experts over their own eyes. So your watchword is take a look for yourself. Absolutely. So what else do you have there? These are the pyramids looking at just to the west. It's face on Mars. You can see there's this incredible precise geometry. There's no doubt this was a huge mile wide, five-sided pyramid. These guys, who I think were our ancestors, built big. Hogan had an even more shocking story to tell. He said that back when he was a network television science consultant,

1:28:42he was inside a NASA control room when the first Mars space probe touched down. When Viking landed in 1976, I'm standing there looking at a monitor with Carl Sagan. Carl is on my left, so NBC guys are on my right. And we're looking at this first color image come in downlinked, mine from Mars, and it looks like Arizona. I saw some of the pictures and said it's a clear resolution. Oh, Mr. President, you know, always think it's a man with maybe those guys in business. Then a few hours later, the head guys sent technicians around to tweak the red knobs on all the monitors in the entire lab. Certain individuals have the political power to keep all of us in the dark about our heritage. They started in 1976 by changing the color of Mars, so it would never really look like what it is, which is apparently a lot like Arizona. An error was made, the Martian sky the scientists now say is pinkish.

1:29:46This is the first color picture of the Viking 2 landing site, proving that this area of Mars is red just as the Viking 1 site was. So this corresponds to the real Mars. Look at the sky, it's not pink, it's baby blue. So NASA had gone to great lengths to hide the fact that Mars atmosphere is similar to our own, able to support life. If someone's painting the sky. They all had to be in on it. And that would point to an even bigger Mars cover-up. Is it possible they've already been there but haven't told us? That's part of what we call the secret space program. What's your personal view about that? A, it exists, B, they know a hell of a lot more than we know through NASA, and C, there's cover-up after cover-up after cover-up, not only in the NASA area, but in every area. Hoagland had shown us evidence of life on Mars and of NASA's attempts to suppress it. He's been tracking this for 37 years.

1:30:47He has watched the cover-up step by step with his own eyes. That's what's amazing. He was there in the control center when the original images, but he was there and he saw the color of the sky and then they changed them a couple of hours later. But did this cover-up extend to secretly sending men to Mars? We needed another look at some recent history. What we did have back in the 60s were a manned mission to Mars being planned and then scrapped, right? Yep. We began where the public record leaves off, a 1967 NASA program to send men to Mars. Astronaut Brian O'Leary was selected to be on the first flight, but when the program was abruptly cancelled the following year, he hung up his space suit and quit. We found O'Leary had moved to South America. He seemed nervous about talking, but we managed to persuade him to speak with us via Skype. Hi, Brian. We wanted to find out if Mars was the reason he left his country behind.

1:31:50It was in 1967. Was it that you joined up with NASA for their Mars mission program? Yes, I was specifically appointed to go to Mars and the mission was to have taken place in the 1980s. But history got rewritten in 1968, the Johnson Space Center. I announced that this Mars mission would be cancelled. But your interest in Mars has continued. Oh, absolutely. The fact is there may have been a civilization there once that was, well, basically was wiped out. NASA was recovering enough quite a bit. In the past, Mars was certainly more Earth-like. There was liquid water there. We see the erosional features, dried up riverbeds, lakes. We may be looking at our own future by looking at Mars. Is there a reason why you're in Ecuador that might be linked to the cover-up? Yes, there are a number of reasons.

1:32:50NASA tells you that you've got to play ball with their world view or else. They basically excommunicated me. And I have had a history of being threatened. And many of the people who did try to do me in are still around. Prudence suggests that we just move here. Do you think that the secrecy extends to an alternative space program that we have been to Mars, but we're not being told about it? Well, reports suggest the answer to that might be yes. There are all kinds of secrets that are being held from us. Such as... Bye. Brian? We just lost a connection. Coming up, Bill and Carrie learn about a secret program

1:33:50to acquire alien technology. Apparently they had an original seat from a UFO. Then jump rooms to Mars. The Mars traveler shows where he took off. The United States government has had operational teleportation capabilities since 1967 and later. The team seeks answers in a remote desert and ends up in a dangerous situation. Get the cameras out of here now. Former astronaut Brian O'Leary may have been about to confirm that the Mars program had continued in secret as a black shadow operation. There are all kinds of secrets that are being held from us. Such as... Bye. Brian? We just lost a connection.

1:34:50Suddenly the transmission went dead. Were we getting too close to the truth? The Mars witnesses are really in fear for their lives like Brian O'Leary. We're talking about something so hot. My provisional conclusion is that there's something very significant about Mars that I want us to know about. If there really have been on Mars since 1980s or even earlier, then an incredible story to share with the whole human race. Why keep it secret? We decided to reach out to David Wilcoff, a writer and researcher into UFOs and ancient civilizations who has inside information about the possibility of a secret Mars program. Among his contacts are insiders directly involved with the so-called Mom Talk project, the secret program researching the very nature of space time. Phase 1 began, I guess, in the early 1960s. Apparently what had happened was that they had an original seat from a UFO.

1:35:53The UFO had crashed and they had taken the seat out and then they had figured out how to set it up to a power supply. All the energy that's in the chair that's focused by the operator's mind is then sent into this antenna. And it's this sort of shimmering area and then you actually go to wherever the person in the chair thinks about. So if he thinks about somewhere, then there will be a portal that opens up that actually goes there. It sounded like Wilcoff was talking about space travel through teleportation. I asked him where he'd gotten this information. An insider witness I've spoken to, I'll call Daniel. And he was telling you this was all real? Absolutely. He was an Air Force captain. He had a background in physics and engineering. But was he saying that they used the chair to travel tomorrow? Is this what he's saying? Yeah. Daniel said that there was a mission to Mars and that they actually found ancient bases and that they're very extensive underground.

1:36:53Extensive ancient bases. Yeah, we're talking hundreds of thousands of years old. You're looking at this dry, dead red planet that at one time apparently was a civilization just like ours. What happened to the ocean? Where did the ocean go? Well, that gets into Richard saying that the sky is not orangeish. It's blue on Mars. So there must be atmosphere, right? Yeah, Mars was like the Earth. Can we talk to Daniel? He's very fearful. Daniel's in hiding. He doesn't even want to be in the public eye because he signed a contract that authorized lethal force in the event that he ever told any of this stuff to anyone. Could be his death sentence. If we can't talk to Daniel, what do we talk to? Andy Bizzagio claimed to have been to Mars

1:37:53and Bizzagio might be the real deal. David's story was incredible. Could a secret government space program really be teleporting people to Mars? We needed to speak to someone who had first hand knowledge of this. So Andy, where are we going now? Can you direct us? We're going down south on Sepulveda here to Imperial. Andrew Bizzagio is a Cambridge University educated researcher and lawyer. He claims he was part of a program called Project Pegasus, a program that conducted experiments in teleportation. It was being carried out as a black project of the CIA. Bizzagio led us to a building near the Los Angeles airport where he said the experiments took place. It's this building right here. There's been a major facelift to the building. I must say this is not what I was expecting. So the big picture here. The United States government has had operational teleportation capability

1:38:54in which somebody can literally jump through a tunnel in a time-space continuum. Unendered. Well, since 1967-68. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but how do you know this? I took two trips to Mars. Coming up, is teleportation actually possible? teleportation does not violate the laws of physics. Then, the investigators find the shocking evidence that blows the Mars cover up wide open. I don't think I'd ever forget that day. And later, a dangerous face-off with lack-off security. Hey, where's that? I must say this is not what I was expecting. Kerry and I were faced to face with a man who claimed to have been sent to Mars, but he didn't get there the way we'd expected. I was 19. I was at UCLA. They put a CIA officer sort of in my life as a

1:39:59contact officer. I was a master if I wanted to go to Mars. I said no I don't want to go to Mars and I finally said to him why is it essential that I go and he said because the survival of the human race depends on him. What is the CIA? Got to do his interplanetary travel. I mean why is the CIA involved with us at all? It was initiated under the United States Navy, ultimately organized around the Defense and Trans Research Projects Agency or DARPA, but the thrust of it was gathering intelligence for the Central Intelligence Agency. We were actually hiding teleportation from Soviet spies and we were on defense labs during these years. Do you know the Russians have this technology? I know that they were working on it. I know that we were several years ahead of them. Interesting. So maybe we weren't the only people teleporting to Mars. I asked him what was actually involved in getting that? We would jump from a office building a CIA facility in Nelson under California to an underground location on Mars. We went

1:41:01up to the eighth floor. Lights began flashing. The box that kind of morphed and crunched into a cylinder and I could see this swirling pattern. The door opened an underground base on Mars. It looked like perhaps an underground cavern that the Martians had been using that we had sort of built an infrastructure inside of. I encountered three humans from Earth during the first trip and then in the second trip we walked out on the surface and walked for about a half a mile and encountered one of the personnel from the CIA. But you're saying you walked out on the surface so the surface air is breathable. Well on the first trip I walked out wearing my respiration equipment but when I took my helmet off it was somewhat difficult to breathe but I certainly didn't begin hyperventilating. I was able to breathe normally on the surface. Where's the sky blue? Yes. The sky on Mars is a pale baby blue. And the terrain is an all rust red. I mean it's predominantly

1:42:04rust red. I think the air on Earth it comes closest to what Mars looks like would probably be Sedona, Arizona. The shaggo's description of Mars is incredible but is method of getting there. That was harder to wrap our minds around. If so you teleporting from here to Mars you got a dynamic system that's moving around the solar system. Why do you pop out of Mars and nowhere else? I'm a lawyer and a writer, not a technologist. The science of that I can't answer that it would clearly some form of hyperdimensional physics was involved because of the fact that it did do that. Since Andy couldn't explain the physics to us, we decided to speak to someone who could. John Carroll is a theoretical physicist, author and university lecturer. He specializes in the big band, dark energy and extra dimensions. We reached out to him for some answers. Well we're investigative journalists and we're investigating hyperdimensional physics. Okay. Now one of the things that happens is that we have

1:43:06people coming to us. Sort of a little bit off record, some people are calling whistleblowers and we have heard from multiple witnesses that macro scale teleportation is an established technology and is this plausible? It may be plausible that Sunday we can do something resembling what you would call teleportation. Is there investigation into teleportation at this time? Sure. People are discussing something that we call teleportation at sort of the atom by atom level. But your point is that that's not transferable to the macro level. It's just that it's a practical matter. It's not but even you know even as a matter. John Carroll said one form of teleportation on the micro level was taking place now, but that couldn't explain teleportation on the macro level like sending a human being to Mars. So it's saying that Scotty can't be mess up to us yet, right? Maybe some days. You know, physicists always stress the difference between things that we don't know how to do and things that violate the laws of physics as we understand them. And teleportation does not violate the

1:44:08laws of physics. It's what physicists call an engineering problem. If only we could learn how to do it. Sean Carroll had confirmed that teleportation was theoretically possible. I had one last question to ask you. One that might explain how it could be happening now. What if there was an extra dimension beyond the usual four of space and time? Imagine that this concrete pathway here. This is four-dimensional space time which we live in every day. If there was a fifth-dimensional wrap around, some people call it hyperspace, some people call it subspace, what mathematically would prevent stepping into that space, moving in that space, which doesn't take time because time's over here. And then real hearing in a different location in the world line. Well, we know it was mathematically and we can easily create scenarios just like that. But to do anything like move a macroscopic person into an extra dimension would require

1:45:11far more energy and far more technological capability than we have now where we'll have for the next couple centuries at least. It would take us several centuries to develop this technology on our own. But what if we had help? What have we had a prototype to work for? One that had come from another plant. Coming up, Bill and Kerry are on the verge of a major discovery. There's several vehicles right here all of a sudden. Oh my god. But will they make it past the Black Ops forces? They're watching what we're doing. These guys are tracking us every inch of the way. Kerry and I have been investigating unexplained activities on Mars. We decided to talk to the highest level source we could find. Bob Dean. Only he could help us put the pieces of this puzzle together. We really need your input. Robert Dean is the ultimate government Black Ops insider, a former Army command sergeant major. He

1:46:16obtained NATO's highest security level cosmic top secret when he worked on a deep cover investigation into the potential threat of UFOs. We told him we'd been investigating evidence of strange activities on Mars. We are getting a lot of information that there is a secret space program. There are shipments going to Mars that there is a constant flow of even humans going to Mars that there are underground bases when they have been there for quite some time. I mean what is it you know about Mars and can you confirm or deny the things that I'm telling you right now? There has been an extraterrestrial presence on Mars for a hundred thousand years for God's sake. Why do you want to tell us this? It's got to be brought out. The mass of people out there need to know what this is all about. There is a major ongoing facility on Mars right now. What can you tell us about? There's a space

1:47:19facility which mariners nine photographed on the equator years and years ago which NASA released accidentally but then they denied they ever took the picture. I think it's a spaceport. I think probably it's where the that gigantic triangular objects were photographed. Gigantic triangular craft. Exactly what Gordon Avell had shown us. We were told it's a craft that is possibly flying two Mars from a base in Utah. Yes underground base. Interesting. We go to Mars regularly. We go to the moon regularly. How is that possible? We're dealing with major extraterrestrial intelligence. We have science so we use every day this over a hundred years beyond what establishment science has any idea of. Bob Dean was saying this spacecraft were using alien technology. Could that also explain teleportation? Because we've been talking to Andy Beshagav. Do you know he is? He was being teleported to Mars.

1:48:22Yes. Why keep it secret? The technology. There is no word to describe the value of the technology. We have had anti-gravity and we've had zero point energy for over 40 years. Infinite energy forever for nothing. But it's not to be shared. It's not to be even admitted. But the average guy out there who's paying for his air conditioning and buying gas for his old clunker does not have any idea. Bob Dean was talking about the ultimate secret wolf, a race to control extraterrestrial technology. A resource so valuable that many of the world's most powerful forces are battling to control. Have you ever really looked at the evidence? No. There's a shadow government. It has its own army, its own air force, its own navy that is totally separate and beyond everything that goes

1:49:25on in Washington. They're sitting on the technology. You understand? That's why I'm I think you're playing with dynamite here. Bob Dean's warning was ringing in our ears as Kerry and I set out to find the top secret military installation in Utah. The one that could be hiding a launch pad to Mars. We'd arranged to meet Dave Rosenfeld a few miles from the edge of the base. Dave? He's a UFO investigator and an actual eyewitness to some extraordinary events in this area. This whole area is what they call the Utah test and training range. Have you ever climbed the fence and gone over there at all? Absolutely not. What would happen? Any idea? We probably have Apache helicopters on us within five to ten minutes. What is really going on here?

1:50:25One night we were out here and we heard this this crackling noise and we could smell ozone in the air like something burning me and then we see just beyond this ridgeline here. This beam would shoot up. I mean it was huge through the clouds up in the space. I mean it was just massive. Did you take pictures at any point of the speed? Yes, wait here I'll grab one for you. Dave Rosenfeld's story was extraordinary so was his evidence. Oh okay. Through the clouds I mean it was just massive. Rosenfeld's photos showed strange objects over the base including a beam of light that cut deep into space. That night did you get in trouble for being out here? Yes. I got him fronted. These white yes you be. He blocked us in and they get out. They're palming their pistols those that are walking out. Very very intimidating. He says well I suggest you guys turn around and get out of here because the people who follow us aren't as nice. They were trying to scare me to never come out here or I don't think I'd ever forget that day. Are you seeing any

1:51:29craft that are triangles, black triangles? Yes. At night I have scenes trying to find back and forth. One of the contractors I met works on a craft called the Venture Star. What is the Venture Star? The Venture Star is a craft that can take people up in the space. He says this craft can reach Mars in 33 hours. Then we showed him a photo that started us on this quest. Have you seen that before? That looks like the Venture Star to me. Dave do you think that craft could be based here? Yes. I think that the southern runway is one runway that could handle this type of craft. Can you take us out to this place that you've been talking about? I tried to stay away from that area. I can show you on a map where it's at. You're really like afraid that of what will happen. I've had too many close calls with him. And Dave warned us that we would too. As soon as you jump out of your truck and start filming five minutes you're going to get

1:52:31printed. But we wanted answers. There was no turning back. Right here. Everything in our investigation had led to this. All the clues pointed to the existence of a shadow space program. One that was using extraterrestrial technology to send humans to Mars. We set out the next morning to find the runway Dave told us about. We hoped to get photographic evidence of the Venture Star. We were miles from the base when we noticed something in the desert. Something that made us realize we were not alone. Oh, look at that. Focus on the ridge. Yeah. And sweep across slowly to the right. That's that dust thing right there. That's a car riding on the dust, right? Correct. That's how you tell when a Humvee is coming towards you at 60 miles an hour across the desert. There's several vehicles right here. Exactly. Look, they just turn around. Oh my god. We're already on their radar. They're watching. Doing these guys are tracking us

1:53:33every inch of the way they do that. What are we going to do now? Well, there's only one way out of here. Time was running out, but we had to press off. We were so close now that we didn't want to give up. And then there it was. See what I see? Well, I think there's a runway coming out through those ridges right there. It's cleared ground, and it's straight as an arrow. There was no mistake. It looked like a runway. This could be the landing strip for the venture star. Let's go down further. We told the camera crew to be prepared for the worst. Guys, what my suggestion would be is if you stopped, don't give them the real cards, don't give them anything that we're actually going to need. Give them the stuff from the test shoot that we did the other day. We don't need it. Despite the risks, we needed to get to that ridge. We were closer than ever to getting evidence of the secret Mars program. Okay, so there's the ridge. We're very, very close. Let's not go all the way over it. Let's stay hidden. I'm not sure how much further I can go here.

1:54:38Uh-uh. Geez. Look what we got out. S***. Another road. Suddenly, we had company, military security. Yeah, they look pretty serious. Now I'm actually concerned. You should be. You should be. Let's go talk to them. Bam, back in the car. Get some cameras out of here. Get those out of here. With the camera, Laura. Hey, hey! Look at those guys taking the f*** part now. Dude, no need to get any f*** part now. Get the f*** in the car. Hey, try the camera. Can you tell us? There he goes. Get some cameras out of here. Can you tell us? Get some cameras out of here. Try the camera. Can you tell us? urry, get some cameras out of here. Carry Cassidy and I were in the Utah desert. We'd finally found the highly secretive and highly protected military facility we've been looking for. If our sources were right, this was the site of secret Mars activity. Interplanetary spacecraft, unusual runways, top secret underground bases, perhaps even jump rooms to Mars. But suddenly, we were surrounded by security forces.

1:55:43Ah, ah, that's where we go down. Shit! Can you tell us? Hey, your camera's out of here! Hey, leave the camera alone! Hey, hey! Go back in your car now! Sir, tell us where you are! You guys, you get in your car now! You can camera's out of here now. We've immediately. We do need to have some more possession. The cameras are off! The cameras are off! Keep an eye out! Come on, they've told us everything we need to know. Now we know where we are, Karen. That's all right. People don't behave like that for no reason. They wanted us out of there now. There were not so many questions. They didn't even tell us whether they were reporting to the military. They didn't have any insignias on their clothing or their car. There's something going on there. They don't want people to see. And they were there to prevent us from going any further. They came at us at exactly the right spot, just that little ridge. We get run off the place, and that's enough to tell us that there's something worth hiding.

1:56:46What we're really talking about is Mars, and what? This investigation has revealed. Brian and Larry told us that when we're looking at Mars, we may be looking at the future of planet Earth. But there's something about Mars which is not just focused on our potential future, but it seems to be linked to our past. There has been an exhaled forestry presence on Mars for 100,000 years. We've got craft going back and forth that's using some kind of special technology. I have seen triangular craft flying back and forth. When they're taking lots of people in cargo, they obviously have to use a ship. We go to Mars regularly. If they have an individual, they can go into a jump room. We would jump from an office building to an underground location on Mars. What we've got is a range of puzzle pieces. And some of them fit and some of them don't fit. But the ones that don't fit are so interesting that we can't throw them away. We have a shadow government that is totally separate and beyond everything that goes on in Washington.

1:57:48What is the reason for the secrecy? There is a war going on here on Earth that is an unseen war. The idea of going to Mars, the idea of teleporting to Mars, the idea of having an advanced spacecraft. Why not share that with the world? There's got to be an answer to that question. And the answer to that question has to be so important that none of us are permitted to know.